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Sharri |17 December · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky needs.
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Speaker 2: This his Sharry, good evening, Welcome, and we're broadcasting live
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Speaker 2: from the site of the Bondai terror attack.
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Speaker 3: Now a moving memorial to those who've lost their lives.
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Speaker 2: There's a sea of flowers, hundreds of heartwarming notes to
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Speaker 2: those gone too soon, candles to keep their memory alive,
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Speaker 2: and drawings by little hands by children too young to
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Speaker 2: be grappling with the horrors committed right here.
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Speaker 3: This is more than just a memorial.
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Speaker 2: It's become the focal point for the leaders and for
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Speaker 2: everyday Australians who were saying that something has to change.
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Speaker 2: There are now tonight, as we stand here, perhaps thousands
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Speaker 2: gathered in prayer and in song, Australians from all walks
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Speaker 2: of life, all religions, bound together by a common goal
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Speaker 2: to defeat the evil inflicted on the Jewish community and
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Speaker 2: on our nation.
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Speaker 3: And as we speak, the Prime.
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Speaker 2: Minister Anthony Alberonizi has arrived at his first place of
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Speaker 2: worship since the terror attack, and it's a cathedral, Saint
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Speaker 2: Mary's Cathedral. The Opposition leader Susan Lee meanwhile, has just
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Speaker 2: finished speaking here and she's now going to sit shiver.
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Speaker 3: This means to mourn with the family of the rabbi
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Speaker 3: who was buried today.
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Speaker 2: On the show this evening, I'll bring you new information
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Speaker 2: about what police and intelligence agencies knew about the alleged
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Speaker 2: gunmen and what the contents of their phones and laptops
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Speaker 2: have revealed about how they were allegedly operating. Also on
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Speaker 2: the show, I'll speak with the parents of ten year
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Speaker 2: old Matilda. They talk about how they lost her in
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Speaker 2: the crowd here and their at Albinizi. Then a speech
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Speaker 2: for the ages. Josh Fridenberg joined me just moments after
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Speaker 2: his powerful message to the nation and his demands of
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister. He says, if you're not up to
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Speaker 2: the job, vacate the chair. Also tonight, celebrated TV chef
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Speaker 2: ed Hamalgi tells me why he's closing his doors after
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Speaker 2: two long years of.
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Speaker 3: Anti Semitic attacks.
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Speaker 2: But first tonight, criticism is now mounting of Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albinisi for refusing to speak about Islamic violent extremism,
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Speaker 2: the dangerous ideology police will claim is behind the alleged
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Speaker 2: territorck Here on Sunday night, Albinizi in his ministers don't
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Speaker 2: want to say it, and the Prime Minister still even
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Speaker 2: this week, has been speaking about right wing extremism.
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Speaker 3: But it wasn't neo Nazis that did this.
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Speaker 2: It was allegedly and you'll hear a lot of allegedlies
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Speaker 2: tonight now that the alleged government has been charged. It
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Speaker 2: was allegedly Islamic violent extremists.
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Speaker 3: That did this.
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Speaker 2: This fact may not be convenient for the Labor government,
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Speaker 2: but they need to take politics out of it and
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Speaker 2: face up to the reality of what's driving the deadly
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism that culminated in the hunting.
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Speaker 3: Down, the gunning down, the merciless massacre of Australian Jews.
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Speaker 2: We are now three days on from that and the
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Speaker 2: reaction from the Prime Minister has been inadequate. Shockingly so.
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Speaker 2: It has been disgraceful. And Matilda's parents, Valentina and Michael,
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Speaker 2: both told me their daughter may be alive if the
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Speaker 2: Albert Easy government had acted with strength and leadership on
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Speaker 2: anti semitism over the past two years.
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Speaker 4: Failed. They failed my daughter. Yes, it's right, and everyone
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Speaker 4: who who was there, they failed every victim.
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Speaker 1: He betrayed Jewish people of Australia. That's who did album.
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Speaker 5: I can't call him anything else he really betrayed Jewish
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Speaker 5: people of Australia, of the world.
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Speaker 2: And Matilda's devastated parents also spoke about the lack of
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Speaker 2: police on the ground and how they just couldn't get
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Speaker 2: help at first to save their little girl.
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Speaker 1: Who shooting was just not stopped. We were looking at where.
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Speaker 5: The corps were. There were no corps, and I must say,
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Speaker 5: I must say that every single cop as themselves separately,
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Speaker 5: did a great job and when they arrived, they did
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Speaker 5: the best job.
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Speaker 3: They just weren't enough at the stime.
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Speaker 1: I'm not at all there was no corps.
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Speaker 3: So sad, I'll bring you my full interview shortly.
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Speaker 2: Ah So, today, while Albanizi continued to duck and dive
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Speaker 2: around his responsibilities as Prime Minister, we witnessed true leadership
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Speaker 2: from Josh Friedenberg, who today gave the defining speech of
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Speaker 2: our time.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: He told me he was just going to say a
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Speaker 2: few words before our one on one interview which is
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Speaker 2: coming up. But then he arrived here at the memorial
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Speaker 2: he was so overcome by emotion he shed tears, and
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Speaker 2: then he delivered the speech our nation needed to hear.
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Speaker 2: It's equivalent to the greatest in history. Winston Churchill's we
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Speaker 2: Shall Fight on the Beaches, or Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address,
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Speaker 2: or perhaps even Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream Now.
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Speaker 2: You need to watch his speech in its entirety, and
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Speaker 2: it's on our website.
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Speaker 3: But here's one moment.
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Speaker 6: I'm here to mourn, but I'm also here to warn.
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Speaker 6: Unless our governments, federal and state, take urgent, unprecedented and
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Speaker 6: strong action, as night follows day, we will be back
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Speaker 6: grieving the loss of innocent life in another terrorist attack
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Speaker 6: in our country.
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Speaker 2: And Josh Fridenberg said if the Prime Minister can't even
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Speaker 2: speak about Islamic extremism, then he definitely can't solve it.
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Speaker 6: Guns may have stolen the life of fifteen innocent civilians,
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Speaker 6: but it was radical is lummist ideology that pulled the trigger.
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Speaker 6: And if you Prime Minister can't say those words is
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Speaker 6: lummiest ideology. If you can't speak them, you can't solve them.
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Speaker 2: And Friedenberg issued a strong call to alban Easy, saying
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Speaker 2: that if you can't act on anti Semitism and the
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Speaker 2: threat of radical Islam to keep Australian safe his first obligation,
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Speaker 2: then he shouldn't be in the job.
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Speaker 6: So, Prime Minister, you have failed us, Your government has
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Speaker 6: failed us. You sit in a chair. It's time you
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Speaker 6: earned that title. If you don't want to do the job,
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Speaker 6: give it to somebody who will thank you.
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Speaker 2: It was a speech fuelled by deep emotion, both sorrow
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Speaker 2: and immense fury. But it was more than that because
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Speaker 2: in a single forty minute speech, Friedenberg laid out the
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Speaker 2: roadmap to guide us out of this radicalization problem that's
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Speaker 2: creating a major terror threat. Now, these are the key
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Speaker 2: points of his plan. Stop the hate preachers. Ban organizations
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Speaker 2: that spew hate, like his Bookteria. It's banned in Germany,
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Speaker 2: banned in the UK, banned in moderate Muslim countries and
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Speaker 2: should be banned here.
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Speaker 3: Prosecute incitement to violence.
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Speaker 2: Shut down the constant hate fueled anti Israel protests.
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Speaker 3: Take a stronger stance on immigration.
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Speaker 2: Australia is a democratically liberal country and immigrants need.
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Speaker 3: To support those values too.
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Speaker 2: Crack down on anti Semitism on our university campuses, Implement
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Speaker 2: Jillian Siegel's report in full. And we need a Royal
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Speaker 2: Commission into Anti Semitism.
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Speaker 3: Now, this is.
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Speaker 2: The leadership that our country hasn't had for a long time.
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Speaker 2: This is the leadership that is desperately needed, and today
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Speaker 2: made it crystal clear Fridenburg needs to return to politics
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Speaker 2: as a matter of.
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Speaker 3: Life and death. It's without serious now.
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Speaker 2: We saw today the first of the funerals with Rabbi
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Speaker 2: Eli Schlanger and Rabbi Jakov Leviton laid to rest. Among
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Speaker 2: the mourners was Rabbi Ullman, the father in law of
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Speaker 2: Eli Schlanger, who delivered an emotional tribute as he farewelled
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Speaker 2: his son in law.
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Speaker 7: In time of sorrow, Aile loom, why didn't you foresee him? Lovers?
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Speaker 2: And tomorrow Matilda will be buried. Jewish Australians are Lambs
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Speaker 2: to the slaughter where vulnerable, innocent members of our community
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Speaker 2: have already been killed. And Alban Easy doesn't seem to
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Speaker 2: care because there's around one hundred thousand Jews in Australia
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Speaker 2: compared to a million Muslims.
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Speaker 3: And here he was today.
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Speaker 2: Saying that outlining, outlawing the kind of hate that caused
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Speaker 2: this shooting is difficult.
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Speaker 8: It is difficult, and this is something the world is
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Speaker 8: dealing with. It is indeed, as you identify, hard to
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Speaker 8: legislate against such massive hatred and people who have this
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Speaker 8: perversion of Islam that leads them to support Islamic state
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Speaker 8: and to have a view that somehow there is some
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Speaker 8: reward for them.
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Speaker 1: There is not.
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Speaker 8: They are evil. We need to make sure that we
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Speaker 8: do whatever is within our powers. Now that means education,
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Speaker 8: it means as well stamping out, calling out evil when
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Speaker 8: we see it, and will continue to do so, not
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Speaker 8: just as a government, but as a nation as well.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he seems to be making the cold calculation
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Speaker 2: that it's not politically worthwhile for him to protect our lives.
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Speaker 2: I mean, why else would he be refusing to do
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Speaker 2: more than gun reforment a bit around the edges. He
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Speaker 2: doesn't even begin to address the hatred that led to
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Speaker 2: this massacre. I mean, if it's not guns, it would
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Speaker 2: be knives or cars or explosives. It's anti Semitism that
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Speaker 2: needs to be dealt with and urgently. Many are already
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Speaker 2: questioning the viability of Jewish life here in Australia. I mean,
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Speaker 2: just today, the famous Jewish bakery Abner's closed up shot
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Speaker 2: and owner and celebrated television chef ed Hamulji said the
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Speaker 2: threat level was just.
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Speaker 3: Too great for him and his customers.
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Speaker 2: Now he spoke to me about what has been going
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Speaker 2: through and why he made this decision.
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Speaker 9: I can't guarantee my family, my staff, my customers, anyone
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Speaker 9: is safe anymore.
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Speaker 2: It's very sad, and stick around for that chat later
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Speaker 2: in the show. But like you, I'm feeling both deep
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Speaker 2: sadness and immense anger at the moment because we can't
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Speaker 2: help but wonder whether this could have been preventable had
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Speaker 2: the gunmen not been allegedly radicalized by institutions that should
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Speaker 2: have been shut down a long time ago because they
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Speaker 2: were known breeding grounds for terrorist ideology. Had the older
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Speaker 2: gunman not been given a visa to live in Australia
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Speaker 2: in the first place, would this still have happened. Well,
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Speaker 2: I can tell you now some new information about the
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Speaker 2: accused father and son assassins. Azio interviewed the father, Sajid Akrim,
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Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, and mad interview was alongside his son,
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Speaker 2: Navid Akrim. The intelligence agencies have indications that Navid was
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Speaker 2: in touch and associated with people of serious concern, including
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Speaker 2: al Matari, who's still in jail.
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Speaker 3: Navid was also known to.
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Speaker 2: Federal and state police. I can reveal he was in
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Speaker 2: the known entity management system, and this is managed by
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Speaker 2: a committee, so ASIO wasn't the only agency that knew
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Speaker 2: about the gunmen. The AFP and New South Wales Police
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Speaker 2: did too. Authorities have closely analyzed the way the pair
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Speaker 2: allegedly carried out the attack and have come to the
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Speaker 2: conclusion that they most likely had military training. They knew
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Speaker 2: how to shoot, how to quickly reload, and how to move,
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Speaker 2: but the question.
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Speaker 3: Is who trained them well.
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Speaker 2: Police will claim that it's likely they had military training
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Speaker 2: in the Philippines and this is the subject of active investigation.
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Speaker 3: It hasn't yet been confirmed.
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Speaker 2: They also had a level of sophistication where they didn't
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Speaker 2: let anyone know what they were doing.
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Speaker 3: There's no evidence of online chats.
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Speaker 2: The content of their mobile phones and laptops, which have
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Speaker 2: been analyzed and are still being analyzed, indicates that they
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Speaker 2: were acting alone, although they could be well trained in
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Speaker 2: tradecraft and know how to delete any communications prior to
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Speaker 2: the attack. It's also alleged that they were introduced to
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Speaker 2: the extremist ideology at the al Medina Center in Western Sydney.
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Speaker 2: Police will claim they were inspired by Islamic terror, but
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Speaker 2: it's very convenient for Albanesi to say it's just Isle
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Speaker 2: inspired and ignore the role of his government in this.
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Speaker 2: Not taking a strong response to the rise of support
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Speaker 2: for Hamas, Hesbela and other terror groups has set the
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Speaker 2: tone that allowed this attack to happen. It's an inconvenient
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Speaker 2: fact for Albanesi. It's the values you set. If you
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Speaker 2: walk past anti Semitism and support for Interofada, then.
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Speaker 3: This becomes the norm.
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Speaker 2: These behaviors are normalized and they set the tone for
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Speaker 2: what cars next. Australian leaders, and no one is more
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Speaker 2: culpable than the Prime Minister, have allowed the environment to
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Speaker 2: fester from which this alleged terrorism arose. Of course, people
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Speaker 2: have a right to protest, but support for Hamas and
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Speaker 2: Hesblah and waving their flags and uttering their chance is unacceptable.
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Speaker 2: People who did this should have been sent to jail
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Speaker 2: and sent the unequivocal message that terrorism is not condoned,
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Speaker 2: that it's unlawful. Instead, there's been virtually no response to this,
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Speaker 2: and it began on October eight, twenty twenty three, when
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Speaker 2: the only Australian arrested at the Opera House was Jewish,
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Speaker 2: and it never improved. Yes, gun laws need to be tightened,
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Speaker 2: but they're not the answer. There needs to be a
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Speaker 2: royal commission into what happened that day, how we got here,
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Speaker 2: and how we stop this from ever ever happening again.
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Speaker 2: As Josh Fridenberg said today, there've been royal commissions into banks,
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Speaker 2: veteran suicide age care, yet this is the greatest crisis
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Speaker 2: our nation faces today. Friedenberg's plan needs to be implemented
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Speaker 2: urgently and a royal commission needs to be held. We
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Speaker 2: need towering leadership, serious action, not feeble words and empty gestures.
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Speaker 2: But one of the defining images of the Bondai terror
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Speaker 2: attack was this. It's Arson Ostrowsky, covered in blood after
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Speaker 2: a bullet grazed his head during Sunday's attack. He'd only
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Speaker 2: just moved to Australia from Israel for what he hoped
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Speaker 2: would be a better and safer life for his young family.
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Speaker 2: Well today Arson got out of hospital and he bravely
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Speaker 2: came back to Bondai.
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Speaker 3: Here's our interview.
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Speaker 2: Us and you just got out of hospital a few
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Speaker 2: hours ago. This has been an unbelievable few days for you.
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Speaker 2: What happened at the Kanaka festival on Sunday night?
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Speaker 10: What happened We went there, like so many other families,
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Speaker 10: my wife, two daughters, young daughters. So a Hanuka festival,
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Speaker 10: it's a celebration. There were rides, there were there was food, there.
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Speaker 1: Was kids activities.
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Speaker 10: We went there to be with the community to celebrate,
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Speaker 10: and we're having a wonderful time. And then my wife
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Speaker 10: and kids went to sit down just out of the
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Speaker 10: the hunnuck colliding and I went to the site to
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Speaker 10: get some food and boom, you hear massive explosions. At first,
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Speaker 10: I didn't know what it was, and I'd assumed it
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Speaker 10: was maybe your balloons or some fireworks, because you know,
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Speaker 10: the all these kids activity, so that they made sense.
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Speaker 10: But then it was relentless boom, boom boom. So I
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Speaker 10: understood very fast that this is no ordinary incidence. This
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Speaker 10: is an attack. We were under attack. And immediately it
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Speaker 10: was absolute chaos. People started running, of smoke billowing from
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Speaker 10: the bullets, and people started falling, and I ducked. That
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Speaker 10: was my first instinct. I ducked. But then your inner
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Speaker 10: self kicks in and my wife and my children, where
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Speaker 10: are they? Where are they? I knew they were about
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Speaker 10: fifteen twenty meters away from me, which meant and they
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Speaker 10: were fifteen twenty meters closer to the shooter. So I
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Speaker 10: stood up and started to make my way and I
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Speaker 10: got hit and fell to the ground, and I remember
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Speaker 10: yelling I'm down, I'm down, I need help. The blood
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Speaker 10: just started gushing and I put my hand on my head.
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Speaker 10: You can see the effects and I could feel my
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Speaker 10: good for my scaled. The adrenaline kicks in. You don't,
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Speaker 10: I mean, it gives you a false sense of security.
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Speaker 10: I knew it was hurt, but my first reaction was
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Speaker 10: I need to know where my family is. There's nothing
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Speaker 10: more petrifying not knowing. I try to call my wife
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Speaker 10: as I'm lying on the ground, and I couldn't. I
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Speaker 10: couldn't get through, and I took a picture, and a
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Speaker 10: picture that has since apparently done viral. I understand of
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Speaker 10: me on the grass, bloody, still dripping, with just the
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Speaker 10: words I love you, and I didn't know if that
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Speaker 10: was going to be the last message or not. It
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Speaker 10: was about another fifteen minutes so before I managed to
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Speaker 10: probably get a hold of them and understood they were
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Speaker 10: they were safe, that they managed to escape my life,
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Speaker 10: shielded our kids and ran away with them. I mean,
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Speaker 10: to me, she's she's a real hero here, but getting
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Speaker 10: that call from them and knowing that they are safe,
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Speaker 10: that's what I need to If that was the last
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Speaker 10: thing that I heard that they got out, did you think.
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Speaker 3: You were gonna die?
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Speaker 10: Didn't know? Didn't know. I knew I was hit. I
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Speaker 10: saw blood everywhere. When I was lying down. On the
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Speaker 10: right of me, there was this amazing couple and the
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Speaker 10: man he ripped off his shirt to give to me.
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Speaker 10: Next to him, there was another man who was crouched
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Speaker 10: over the bench similar to this, bleeding out on top
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Speaker 10: of his wife. His wife was alive, he died protecting her.
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Speaker 10: I don't know who that was. And just a few
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Speaker 10: meters to the left there was a person with their
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Speaker 10: body parts strown over and I am in the middle
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Speaker 10: of them. There's no we don't know the full extent
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Speaker 10: of just the monstrosity did that was happening. It was
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Speaker 10: only after that when I got up and I saw
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Speaker 10: it was just absolute blood bath. It was carnage, bodies everywhere,
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Speaker 10: And having lived in Israel the last few years, including
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Speaker 10: through October seven, that's the feeling. It immediately votes and
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Speaker 10: specifically Lenova Festival, which wasn't a massacre of hundreds of
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Speaker 10: people bodies lying everywhere.
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Speaker 3: We only just arrived here two weeks ago.
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Speaker 10: We had arrived here a few weeks ago, two and
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Speaker 10: a half weeks ago. And you know, I came here
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Speaker 10: to tack up a leadership role with the Jewish Community
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Speaker 10: of Australian ISS, your Jewish Fairs Council, which I'm starting
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Speaker 10: shortly in January. And before we left, and we told
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Speaker 10: our kids that, you know, we're really cutting to Australia.
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Speaker 10: My daughter asked me, Abba, Dad, does that mean normal
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Speaker 10: boomies meaning no more rocket attacks missiles, which is.
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Speaker 3: Running to the safe room in the middle of the.
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Speaker 10: Line, because they've become accustomed to that. And I said, no, sweetie,
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Speaker 10: no more boomies. You'll be safe. Now. I need to
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Speaker 10: come to this. I feel like I lied to my daughters.
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Speaker 10: But I feel now that there's an even greater mission
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Speaker 10: upon us, upon all of us, to make sure that, yes,
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Speaker 10: we do fight for a life for our children while
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Speaker 10: there are no boomers where they can live in peace,
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Speaker 10: whether it's in Israel, whether that's in Australia.
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Speaker 3: The doctors said, had the bullet been what half a.
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Speaker 10: Centimeter millimeters away from life and death, the doctors said
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Speaker 10: it was a miracle. It was a miracle.
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Speaker 9: The bone.
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Speaker 10: The bullet grazed my head and it penetrated with bullet
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Speaker 10: fragments that were only removed yesterday in the operation.
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Speaker 2: Had surgery yesterday, surgery yes, and they able to successfully
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Speaker 2: remove all of the bullet fragments.
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Speaker 10: But by the time they got through the operation that
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Speaker 10: thankfully they weren't there. So that that's the the presumption.
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Speaker 10: But it was millimeters between life and death. You could
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Speaker 10: see through the bone.
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Speaker 3: Complete miracle.
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Speaker 10: There's not the way of putting it. And you know,
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Speaker 10: we talk about Festival of Hanukas, we're talking about the
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Speaker 10: Hanuka miracle. This is for me the Hanaka miracle that
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Speaker 10: I survived to tell my story.
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Speaker 3: And you're going to keep fighting for the community.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 10: We don't have a choice, Sharry. We have to fight.
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Speaker 10: We have to fight for the kind of life we want,
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Speaker 10: for our family, for the Jewish community and for Australia
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Speaker 10: as a whole.
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Speaker 2: Did you get a visit from the Prime Minister while
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Speaker 2: you were in hospital?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 10: I did not. I mean I know the Prime Minister
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Speaker 10: visited Ahmed Alahmed. You know, the man is an absolute hero.
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Speaker 10: The risk is life to take of a terrorist like
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Speaker 10: so many, by the way, people that I saw firsthand
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Speaker 10: that came out of the water, that came rushing, They
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Speaker 10: didn't shahwah. They came rushing to it to help us,
24:54
Speaker 10: to treat us, to take us to safety. So you know,
24:56
Speaker 10: Ahmed is a real hero and he deserves that RECOGNI
25:00
Speaker 10: and I'm glad the Prime Minister went to see me
25:01
Speaker 10: do the right thing. I don't know if the Prime
25:04
Speaker 10: Minister has visited any of the other victims, any of
25:06
Speaker 10: the other Jewish victims, whether at Bhannaka festival, he did
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Speaker 10: not visit me. Look, ultimately, he's the Prime minister, he's
25:13
Speaker 10: the leader of our nation, and I think it's time
25:16
Speaker 10: to show serious, committed leadership to listen to the community,
25:23
Speaker 10: listen to the community's concerns, concerns that have been echoed
25:27
Speaker 10: and repeatedly made for the last two years. If we
25:32
Speaker 10: are to move forward and if we are to rebuild
25:34
Speaker 10: this society.
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Speaker 3: Awson, thank you so much for your time. It's a miracle.
25:39
Speaker 2: You're here just millimeters and I know you'll the embrace
25:43
Speaker 2: this second chance at life.
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Speaker 11: Thank you so much.
25:46
Speaker 2: Thanks, but not everyone had a miracle like this, and tonight.
25:52
Speaker 3: We're remembering ten year old Mathilda.
25:54
Speaker 2: Her middle name was b You'll see a lot of
25:56
Speaker 2: people wearing these stickers around here. They're going to be
26:00
Speaker 2: handed out tomorrow and the family have asked people to
26:04
Speaker 2: wear them if they're attending her funeral as well tomorrow. Well,
26:07
Speaker 2: the parents of Materiality suffered a tragedy that no parents
26:11
Speaker 2: should ever have to go through, and I spoke with
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Speaker 2: Valentina and Michael about how they lost their little girl
26:17
Speaker 2: in the crowd here on Sunday. They remember the qualities
26:20
Speaker 2: that make her so special, and they also had a sharp.
26:24
Speaker 3: Message for the Prime Minister.
26:27
Speaker 2: Here's our chat from the memorial earlier today.
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Speaker 4: Come to explain how it happened. We've heard some like
26:38
Speaker 4: the shorts, but it's just someone decided to just a joke,
26:44
Speaker 4: like you know, just if I work for something. Yes,
26:49
Speaker 4: And my first reaction was, who can do that next
26:53
Speaker 4: to next to this event? So because because all just
27:00
Speaker 4: community is traumatized, but this sounds like like you So
27:06
Speaker 4: first I didn't realize it's serious. And then my husband's
27:09
Speaker 4: showed shouted shooting, shooting, so we.
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately we jumped down.
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Speaker 5: She she she thought the kids were a different places.
27:23
Speaker 5: We tried, she tried to run for them, and I
27:26
Speaker 5: knew where the kids were, and I was trying to
27:29
Speaker 5: get to the other side because they were pettying animals.
27:32
Speaker 2: So you were separated from from And so then after
27:37
Speaker 2: the shooting, you were you searching frantically for her? How
27:40
Speaker 2: did when did you realize that she had been among those?
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Speaker 5: Well, well, there was the shooting was still going on.
27:45
Speaker 5: I saw Matilda because she ran to where we were
27:50
Speaker 5: before she left us, and I saw she.
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Speaker 1: I saw her go down and I crawled to her
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Speaker 1: and Michael shoot shot off and I put her stuck
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Speaker 1: it in a wound.
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Speaker 3: So you tried to save her life. You wrapped your shirt.
28:11
Speaker 5: Certain I was talking to her because she she was was.
28:18
Speaker 5: She was telling me that she it's hard to breathe,
28:22
Speaker 5: and I was, I was, I was. I was holding
28:26
Speaker 5: her and I was like, come down, please, please please.
28:29
Speaker 5: I was trying to pull her out. But the shooting
28:33
Speaker 5: was just not stopped. We were looking where the cops were.
28:36
Speaker 5: There were no cops. And I must say, I must
28:41
Speaker 5: say that every single cop as themselves separately, did a
28:44
Speaker 5: great job, and when they arrived, they did the best job.
28:48
Speaker 3: They just weren't enough at the time.
28:50
Speaker 1: I'm not at all. There was no cops.
28:53
Speaker 2: You both came from Ukraine to give Matilda a better life.
28:57
Speaker 3: What do you think about was born here?
29:00
Speaker 4: They were born here. I came here with my son
29:04
Speaker 4: and I lived in Melbourne for five five years, and
29:08
Speaker 4: then I moved to Sydney because I met Michael and
29:12
Speaker 4: Matchilda was born.
29:14
Speaker 2: And you thought it would be a better life for
29:16
Speaker 2: your children here in Australia.
29:17
Speaker 4: Cour especially especially when the war in Ukraine started.
29:22
Speaker 2: How do you comprehend the fact that your ten year old,
29:25
Speaker 2: your little baby girl, was gone down in Bondai Beach.
29:31
Speaker 4: There's no words, there's no words I can explain you.
29:34
Speaker 4: She she loved this event. We came here every year
29:38
Speaker 4: since she was born. Such a beautiful soul, such a
29:42
Speaker 4: beautiful So.
29:43
Speaker 5: I'm not going to find a person who's going to
29:45
Speaker 5: say she's done something mean or she's done something bad.
29:48
Speaker 3: What did she love to do?
29:49
Speaker 5: She loves to dance, sing, playing crow blocks with friends.
29:56
Speaker 2: And what's your message to the your government about their
30:01
Speaker 2: failure to confront anti Semitism over the past two years.
30:06
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know even what I said.
30:10
Speaker 4: It's a nightmare. They failed, They failed my daughter. Yes,
30:15
Speaker 4: it's right. And everyone who who was there, they failed
30:22
Speaker 4: every victim.
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Speaker 1: He betrayed Jewish people of Australia. That's who did album.
30:31
Speaker 5: I can't call him anything else. He really betrayed Jewish
30:35
Speaker 5: people of Australia, of the world. I don't know, like
30:39
Speaker 5: what the hell he's thinking, but and it's it showed,
30:47
Speaker 5: It showed what happened, because it showed.
30:50
Speaker 2: Do you think if he would have taken this crisis seriously,
30:53
Speaker 2: there's a possibility your daughter might be alive.
30:58
Speaker 5: KOs seem of August. They've done that, They've done that,
31:02
Speaker 5: and you know it was just little steps. Oh no, no,
31:07
Speaker 5: nothing wrong, nothing wrong, nothing.
31:10
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having the courage to speak.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Thank you just so devastating.
31:20
Speaker 2: And it's going to be a really tough day tomorrow
31:23
Speaker 2: when Matilda is laid to rest. We'll still to come
31:27
Speaker 2: why Avner's Bakery owner ed Hamalgi has made the difficult
31:30
Speaker 2: decision to shut his doors for goot and Josh Friedenberg
31:35
Speaker 2: joined me after his once in a Generation speech, while
31:38
Speaker 2: James Patterson urges action on extremism.
31:41
Speaker 3: That's after the break.
31:46
Speaker 2: Well, welcome back, and we're here at the memorial of
31:48
Speaker 2: the Bondi terror attack. Even at this time of the evening,
31:51
Speaker 2: there's still hundreds gathered behind us, And tonight the alleged gunman,
31:56
Speaker 2: Navid Akram has been charged with fifteen nine offenses, including
32:02
Speaker 2: fifteen counts of murder. Now Australians are gathered here now
32:07
Speaker 2: to pay their respects to those who lost their lives.
32:11
Speaker 2: Many others are still fighting to pull through in hospital.
32:15
Speaker 2: Look at the sea of flowers, hundreds, maybe even thousands
32:19
Speaker 2: of bouquets, And this.
32:20
Speaker 3: Is what our country does. Beautifully.
32:22
Speaker 2: We come together as Australians, We wrap our arms around
32:26
Speaker 2: each other.
32:26
Speaker 3: We say never again.
32:30
Speaker 2: And Josh Friedenberg delivered one of the most powerful speeches
32:35
Speaker 2: in our nation's history today. He made it here at
32:38
Speaker 2: the memorial site, and I spoke with him a shot
32:42
Speaker 2: while afterwards, and here's our chat Josh. To say that
32:47
Speaker 2: was an incredible speech is an understatement. I felt like
32:50
Speaker 2: I was watching a similar moment to when Martin Luther
32:53
Speaker 2: King gave his I have a dream speech. That was
32:56
Speaker 2: a once in a lifetime speech from the heart.
33:03
Speaker 3: What were you feeling in the moment.
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Speaker 6: Or Shari, You turn up here and you see people
33:11
Speaker 6: paying their respects, people crying, people laying wreaths and flowers,
33:17
Speaker 6: and you see the inscriptions, the messages. I saw a
33:22
Speaker 6: little book about Matilda. I saw messages from non Jews
33:28
Speaker 6: and from Jews saying that they stand with the community
33:34
Speaker 6: at this time I need. So what I was feeling
33:37
Speaker 6: was just raw emotion, sadness, but also read hot anger
33:48
Speaker 6: because this should never have happened. This is the most
33:53
Speaker 6: deadly terrorist attack in australi as history, and it's the
33:57
Speaker 6: greatest loss of Jewish life anywhere in the world outside
34:02
Speaker 6: of the State of Israel since October the seventh, and
34:05
Speaker 6: so this has brought great shame on Australia. This has
34:09
Speaker 6: stained our nation forever, and it's occurred on the Prime
34:13
Speaker 6: Minister's watch, and unlike Port Arthur, the warning signs were
34:17
Speaker 6: there for everyone to see. And so it's super important
34:23
Speaker 6: not just to the healing but to the prevention that
34:25
Speaker 6: we need from here that the Prime Minister comes down,
34:28
Speaker 6: stands where I stood, and takes personal responsibility and accepts
34:32
Speaker 6: accountability for what has happened, because this was a complete
34:36
Speaker 6: failure not just of intelligence and law enforcement, this was
34:40
Speaker 6: a failure of leadership to set the red lines early
34:44
Speaker 6: on that were not to be crossed, and to root
34:47
Speaker 6: out this radical Islamist ideology that's taken hold in Australia.
34:51
Speaker 2: The death toll could still rise. And yet all we've
34:55
Speaker 2: heard from the Prime Minister since this terror attack is
34:59
Speaker 2: gun Sure, that's important, but as you pointed out in
35:03
Speaker 2: your speech, that's not what is at the heart of that,
35:07
Speaker 2: that's not what has driven this hatred. You just outlined
35:10
Speaker 2: a roadmap that the Prime Minister and the leadership should follow.
35:14
Speaker 3: Can you tell us those key points.
35:17
Speaker 6: Well, Australia is leaderless at the moment. Australia is leaderless
35:21
Speaker 6: at the moment because what has taken place here needed
35:27
Speaker 6: a prime minister to stand up, accept responsibility and to
35:31
Speaker 6: say he would not waste a second before implementing the
35:36
Speaker 6: changes that were necessary, even if they are unpopular, even
35:39
Speaker 6: if they were difficult, to ensure we don't revisit another
35:46
Speaker 6: terrorist attack like this. And so the Prime Minister and
35:50
Speaker 6: his government and premiers have allowed our country to be
35:53
Speaker 6: radicalized over the last two and a half years. So
35:56
Speaker 6: in the ideas that I put forward for the Prime
35:59
Speaker 6: Minister was first and foremost, it's got to stop the
36:02
Speaker 6: hate preachers, the hate preachers were celebrating on October the
36:06
Speaker 6: eighth the terrorist attack that happened in Israel, and that's
36:10
Speaker 6: what their community has been hearing for the last two
36:12
Speaker 6: and a half years, that it was something that deserved courage,
36:16
Speaker 6: it was represented courage, and it was a source of pride,
36:18
Speaker 6: and of course you end up with this. Secondly, the
36:21
Speaker 6: Prime Minister needs to ban organizations that spew hate like
36:26
Speaker 6: he's but Alteria. It's banned in Germany, he's banned in
36:29
Speaker 6: the UK, it's banned in moderate Muslim countries, and we
36:32
Speaker 6: know eighteen months ago Nick McKenzie was pointing out and
36:35
Speaker 6: other journalists were pointing out that it was grooming young
36:39
Speaker 6: men in our schools and our universities online, So how
36:43
Speaker 6: can that exist. Likewise, on the right, you've got fascist
36:47
Speaker 6: neo Nazis who are protesting or promoting racial ideologies and
36:54
Speaker 6: antisemitism on the steps of the parliaments in Victoria and
36:58
Speaker 6: New South Wales. That has to stop. Prime Minisource has
37:00
Speaker 6: got to prosecute incitement. The Prime Minister has also got
37:03
Speaker 6: to stop the protests. There's a cease fire in place,
37:06
Speaker 6: and those protests have become incubators of hatred the Prime
37:09
Speaker 6: Minister has to stand up on immigration and ensure it's
37:11
Speaker 6: a lot more rigorous. We do not want people in
37:13
Speaker 6: this country who do not support democracy, you do not
37:16
Speaker 6: support equal rights for men and women, who do not
37:19
Speaker 6: support our liberal values of tolerance and understanding. And we
37:23
Speaker 6: need of course much stronger action in our university. We
37:27
Speaker 6: need a response to Jillian Siegel's report, and we need
37:32
Speaker 6: of course for the Prime Minister to put in place
37:35
Speaker 6: a royal commission, because we've had royal commissions for banking
37:38
Speaker 6: and for age care and also for the welfare. But
37:43
Speaker 6: seventeen people have died now, and so we need a
37:45
Speaker 6: royal commission with answers so across the board the Prime
37:48
Speaker 6: Minister can take action. It's hard. He'll get bipartisan support,
37:53
Speaker 6: I'm sure, but there's no time to waste.
37:56
Speaker 3: You say the country's leaderless. We all have to agree
38:00
Speaker 3: with that.
38:01
Speaker 2: We have seen not even weak leadership, no leadership virtually.
38:05
Speaker 3: I mean, you are the first person.
38:06
Speaker 2: To stand up with an eight point plan and say
38:09
Speaker 2: this is what needs to be done to stop another
38:11
Speaker 2: tragedy happening again. I promise you, Josh, this isn't a
38:15
Speaker 2: putting you on the spot moment, but you do have
38:17
Speaker 2: to now seriously consider a return to politics because you
38:21
Speaker 2: are needed as the prime minister in this country.
38:24
Speaker 6: Well, what the last seventy two hours have shown, and
38:30
Speaker 6: what the last two and a half years have shown,
38:33
Speaker 6: is that who's in charge really matters. It matters first
38:36
Speaker 6: and foremost to our security in a way of life,
38:39
Speaker 6: and of course to our living standards. And we're being
38:42
Speaker 6: failed at the moment. There's no two ways about that.
38:46
Speaker 6: My position hasn't changed. I've left the door open, but
38:51
Speaker 6: I'm not making any decisions at this point in time.
38:54
Speaker 6: I don't care what your political persuasion is when it
38:57
Speaker 6: comes to my personal security. I don't care what your
39:00
Speaker 6: religion is when it comes to my personal security. You
39:02
Speaker 6: can be Calithumpian for.
39:04
Speaker 1: All I care.
39:05
Speaker 6: All I want you to be is morally upright. I
39:09
Speaker 6: want you to have a moral compass. I want you
39:12
Speaker 6: to believe in what makes astray As special and I
39:16
Speaker 6: want you to uphold that. And right now, there are
39:19
Speaker 6: people in our country who do not believe that, who
39:22
Speaker 6: do not uphold that, and we need leaders, people in
39:26
Speaker 6: positions of authority who are going to root that out.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for coming here today. For laying the
39:32
Speaker 2: roadmap putting some policy positions forward. Let's hope the federal
39:35
Speaker 2: government and agencies and law enforcement follow your direction.
39:39
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Josh, thank you, and.
39:43
Speaker 2: I highly recommend you watch Josh Fridenberg's speech from today
39:47
Speaker 2: in full.
39:47
Speaker 3: It's on our website sky news dot com dot au.
39:50
Speaker 2: It is genuinely one of the most powerful speeches of
39:53
Speaker 2: all time. Well, shortly after Josh's speech, I spoke with
39:56
Speaker 2: Liberal Senator James Patterson. He says Australia needs to we're
40:00
Speaker 2: a firmer line when it comes to extremism, and he's
40:03
Speaker 2: urging governments to use every power available to protect social
40:08
Speaker 2: cohesion and public safety.
40:10
Speaker 3: Here's James Patterson.
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Speaker 12: I think that is going to be one of the
40:14
Speaker 12: defining political speeches of our era. When the history of
40:18
Speaker 12: this time is written, I think they will say that
40:20
Speaker 12: was a turning point. That was an electric performance from
40:23
Speaker 12: Josh Freidenberger. Was him at his best. It was powerful,
40:27
Speaker 12: it was moral, it was clear. It is everything that
40:30
Speaker 12: we haven't seen, frankly from our government over the last
40:33
Speaker 12: three and a half years, and it's a question of
40:35
Speaker 12: what could have been and hopefully what still can be.
40:38
Speaker 12: He's someone who's got a big contribution to make to
40:40
Speaker 12: the future of our country.
40:41
Speaker 3: He's got to come back.
40:42
Speaker 12: We would love to have him back. I've missed him
40:43
Speaker 12: dearly since we've had him out of the Parliament for
40:45
Speaker 12: the last three and a half years. But he's someone
40:47
Speaker 12: who's still contributing to the future of our country from
40:49
Speaker 12: outside the parliament. And if he wants to run again, well,
40:52
Speaker 12: he would be enthusiastically embraced by his former colleagues.
40:55
Speaker 3: What do you think needs to be done about this radicalization?
40:59
Speaker 12: Well, one of the least surprising pieces of news since
41:01
Speaker 12: Sunday night is that Navid Akram, the alleged twenty four
41:05
Speaker 12: year old shooter here on Sunday, was past associated with
41:08
Speaker 12: the Almadina Dawa Center. Because this has been a factory
41:12
Speaker 12: of hate in our country four years. If some of
41:14
Speaker 12: the worst vilification of Jews in this country since the
41:16
Speaker 12: seventh October happened in their center, happened that their pulpits
41:20
Speaker 12: happened to their audiences. If you ever heard a Jew
41:22
Speaker 12: being called a monkey or a pig, or saying that
41:25
Speaker 12: they should be spat on, odds are it happened at
41:27
Speaker 12: the Almadina Center And Wusanhdad himself was successfully sued in
41:32
Speaker 12: the courts by the Jewish community for his vilification of Jews.
41:35
Speaker 12: And yet despite that, despite that one consequence, otherwise he's
41:39
Speaker 12: got off and his organization have got off scot free.
41:41
Speaker 12: And as a society, we have to stop tolerating the intolerable.
41:45
Speaker 12: We cannot allow people to use what is best about
41:48
Speaker 12: our free societies against us. They don't believe in our values,
41:51
Speaker 12: they don't believe in our freedoms, but they do want
41:53
Speaker 12: to use our freedoms to tear away the freedoms of others,
41:55
Speaker 12: and that has to stop.
41:57
Speaker 2: Just finally, do you think this has been the way
42:00
Speaker 2: a cup call that none of us wanted, that we
42:02
Speaker 2: are dealing with a deathly enemy within our own bodies.
42:07
Speaker 12: We shouldn't have needed at Charry, because there's been so
42:09
Speaker 12: many other wake up calls. I mean, let's think about
42:11
Speaker 12: the Adask, Israel fire bombing, which we now know was
42:14
Speaker 12: an act of state sponsored terror by the Iranian regime
42:17
Speaker 12: but carried out by people within our country. That should
42:20
Speaker 12: have been a sufficient wake up call. Thank god no
42:23
Speaker 12: one died in that incident, but now we've sadly lost
42:25
Speaker 12: fifteen innocent souls, including a Holocaust survivor, including two rabbis,
42:30
Speaker 12: including a ten year old. I mean this must be
42:32
Speaker 12: the final moment that Australians say enough is enough, and
42:35
Speaker 12: that our government says enough is enough.
42:38
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, thank you, well still to come.
42:43
Speaker 2: ABC journalist Laura Tingo denies the attack was motivated by religion,
42:48
Speaker 2: and Avenez is fas to close its doors in a
42:50
Speaker 2: sobering signal that Jewish.
42:52
Speaker 3: Life is now at risk in our country.
42:55
Speaker 2: Ed Homalgi joins me. Next welcome back, we'll celebrated. Chef
43:03
Speaker 2: ed Hamalji has made the heartbreaking decision to shut the
43:07
Speaker 2: doors of his bakery, Abner's for Good. I spoke with
43:10
Speaker 2: Ed about this devastating decision earlier today. Ed, this is
43:17
Speaker 2: such a sad decision. Everyone is heartbroken for you. Why
43:21
Speaker 2: have you decided to shut your doors?
43:24
Speaker 9: The simple fact is that I can't guarantee my family,
43:30
Speaker 9: my staff, my customers, anyone is safe anymore. The world
43:34
Speaker 9: changed the other day. Our world changed, and we set
43:39
Speaker 9: up a business design to create joy and hospitality and
43:44
Speaker 9: family and community. All of that has to be built
43:48
Speaker 9: on a foundation of safety, and that just doesn't exist.
43:52
Speaker 10: At the moment.
43:53
Speaker 2: I mean, for the past two years there's been relentless
43:57
Speaker 2: anti Semitic harassment of you, of the business, graffiti. But
44:02
Speaker 2: every time we've spoken, you've been very optimistic, and I
44:06
Speaker 2: felt like I've been the negative and pessimistic one.
44:09
Speaker 9: So what's changed with Freaky Friday.
44:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.
44:13
Speaker 9: Look, I think as we've spoken before, I drew a
44:17
Speaker 9: big distinction between problems of intimidation spray paint, graffiti, even
44:23
Speaker 9: a cracked window, whatever, and problems of violence. Problems of
44:29
Speaker 9: intimidation you have to just put your big boy pants
44:31
Speaker 9: on and get through, because that is what it means
44:34
Speaker 9: to survive in the world, particularly if you come from
44:36
Speaker 9: a community where that has been more difficult through history.
44:40
Speaker 9: But violence is a different thing because it's uncontrolled. We
44:43
Speaker 9: don't get any saying that what happened at Bondi is
44:48
Speaker 9: not just horrific, but it is profound to the extent
44:51
Speaker 9: that it is going to change the way certainly that
44:54
Speaker 9: I and so many people in our community and beyond
44:57
Speaker 9: think about being Jewish in Australia. I didn't think of
45:01
Speaker 9: this business here as being a target rich opportunity. I
45:07
Speaker 9: have to consider that again because we're open on two corners.
45:12
Speaker 9: It's a completely glass front and building. There is no
45:15
Speaker 9: way of protecting it. We operate at all hours of
45:17
Speaker 9: the day and night. People are often here in the
45:19
Speaker 9: middle of the night on their own. How do you
45:21
Speaker 9: protect this? You can't. And if you can't offer some
45:25
Speaker 9: modicum of security at a time when genuine danger exists,
45:31
Speaker 9: you have to ask yourself whether it's fair to be
45:33
Speaker 9: operating at all.
45:35
Speaker 2: Are you worried that a massacre like happened what we
45:39
Speaker 2: saw on Sunday night in bond I could happen again
45:41
Speaker 2: in Australia.
45:43
Speaker 9: I'm not worried that it might. I know that it will.
45:46
Speaker 9: I have an absolute certainty about that. I know.
45:49
Speaker 1: You know.
45:50
Speaker 9: Some might not have heard of the concept of the
45:52
Speaker 9: Overton window. It's the range of possible outcomes that exist
45:54
Speaker 9: within a particular decision space that's just been expanded. For
45:58
Speaker 9: so many of us. The idea of that kind of
46:00
Speaker 9: a brutal terrorist shooting was inconceivable in Australia. What's no
46:06
Speaker 9: longer inconceivable. And what that does is it changes the
46:09
Speaker 9: permission structure for others who are thinking angry or violent thoughts.
46:14
Speaker 1: Can you do it?
46:15
Speaker 9: Someone were going, well, actually, no, maybe you can. And
46:18
Speaker 9: so keep in mind it was just on Sunday, hours
46:20
Speaker 9: before this occurred in Bondi, that we had our most
46:22
Speaker 9: recent briefing from police who came here to talk about
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Speaker 9: threats that had come from well from a particular place
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Speaker 9: in Sydney to you, yeah, to me personally.
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Speaker 3: And visited you on Sunday.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, And it was no more than half an hour
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Speaker 9: after that that the a big ute drove by with
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Speaker 9: a Syrian flag on the back and the guys screaming
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Speaker 9: out abuse about this Jews, that your Jews all deserve
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Speaker 9: to die before he drove off. The problem is that
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Speaker 9: that happens on a Sunday before Bondi occurs. And I go,
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Speaker 9: oh jeez, that was a bit awful. Now I have
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Speaker 9: to think to myself, is he coming back?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, And he asked yourself question with your kids, if
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Speaker 9: you had to choose between going to a place to
47:05
Speaker 9: have a bit of light lunch, We think there is
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Speaker 9: a possibility someone might attack this place or to go
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Speaker 9: to the place down the road. I mean, I don't
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Speaker 9: know about you, but I'm going down the road and
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Speaker 9: we are now that first place.
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Speaker 2: Well, we're here at the memorial and Australians from all
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Speaker 2: walks of life, particularly the Jewish community, are gathering after
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Speaker 2: the worst terror attack in our history, but not everyone
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Speaker 2: is acknowledging the real problem behind this massacre. Have a
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Speaker 2: listen to the ABC's Laura Tingle talking about this. Absolutely
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Speaker 2: a radicalized these words targeting Jews.
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Speaker 3: It is anti Semitic, but we are ascribing all sorts
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Speaker 3: of things right.
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Speaker 11: Yea, their actions are not based on their religion.
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Speaker 2: We're joining me now to discuss is Liberal Senator Sarah Henderson, Sarah,
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Speaker 2: good to see you. So her comments come after police
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Speaker 2: found allegedly an I saw flag in the gunman's vehicles.
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Speaker 3: What did you make of Laura Tengle's remarks.
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Speaker 2: We'll show you these remarks absolutely appalling and they're deeply offensive.
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Speaker 2: I think the ABC must unequivocally apologize. Journalists have an
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Speaker 2: obligation to report the news and partially accurately. And what
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Speaker 2: she has said is so wrong on so many levels.
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Speaker 2: To say this has nothing to do with religion when
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Speaker 2: you've got extremist isamists, subscribing to an extremist ideology.
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Speaker 11: Is just terrific.
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Speaker 2: And this was a very significant Jewish festival. The first
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Speaker 2: day of Humika. So the ABC, from my perspective, has
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Speaker 2: completely lost the plot. It's unacceptable and as I say,
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Speaker 2: the managing director and the chair must apologize. It's not
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Speaker 2: like every other media company because they receive a billion
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Speaker 2: dollars of taxpay funding a year and they have an
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Speaker 2: obligation as part of their charter to be impartial.
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Speaker 3: They do.
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Speaker 2: There's an ABC Act which requires them under LAWA to
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Speaker 2: be impartial to be accurate, and on so many occasions
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Speaker 2: the ABC have failed that test, and that is why
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Speaker 2: I tried to implement a Senate inquiry into the ABC,
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Speaker 2: particularly focused on its lack of impartiality.
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Speaker 11: And we've even had, of course.
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Speaker 2: The daughter of one of the victims luckily he survived,
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Speaker 2: who's called out the ABC just a couple of days
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Speaker 2: ago for the ABC's bias. And so I would really
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Speaker 2: like to see the Parliament reconsider that inquiry because this
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Speaker 2: is just not acceptable.
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Speaker 11: For our national broadcaster.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was an extraordinary moment when the daughter caught
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Speaker 2: out the ABC. Look, you've been here all afternoon at
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Speaker 2: the memorial memorial for the fifteen people who were murdered
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Speaker 2: on Sunday night. Fifteen people murdered, you know, what is
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Speaker 2: your reaction to the Australians. And as you can tell
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Speaker 2: when you move around, it's not just Jewish Australians here,
49:57
Speaker 2: it's everyone from different backgrounds, different it's coming.
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Speaker 3: To pay their respects.
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Speaker 2: Well, Shary, I'm here to pay my respects. I'm here
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Speaker 2: to join all Australians to say how mortified I am
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Speaker 2: about this horrendous attack on Jewish Australians. It was a
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Speaker 2: targeted attack, but it is so moving to be here,
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Speaker 2: to listen to the songs and the prayers, to join
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Speaker 2: together Jewish and non Jewish Australians alike.
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Speaker 11: It is incredibly moving. I'm very honored to be here.
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Speaker 2: But now, Shary, we have to see a government that
50:30
Speaker 2: is willing to take action. So many people were saying
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Speaker 2: to me in the crowd, we are so angry. We
50:36
Speaker 2: were traumatized and we are grief stricken, but we are
50:39
Speaker 2: so angry with the lack of action because since the
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Speaker 2: seventh of October, this government has failed us, it has
50:46
Speaker 2: failed our.
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Speaker 11: Country and it is time the government stepped up.
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Speaker 2: I think you're one hundred percent right. There is that
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Speaker 2: anger and it's not just here at Bondai. But you know,
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Speaker 2: I've spoken to people who've traveled from far away to
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Speaker 2: be here, from Wollongong, from Bangstown. I spoke to a
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Speaker 2: father and daughter. You know, people are coming from across Sydney.
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Speaker 3: To share in their sorrow.
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Speaker 2: We've seen the kind of kier It's the fourth night
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Speaker 2: of Kinnaca tonight.
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Speaker 3: We've seen the candles being let.
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Speaker 2: So while the government doesn't get it, I think Australians do.
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Speaker 11: I think they do. We need to see a raw commission.
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Speaker 2: We need to see the hate driven out of our country,
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Speaker 2: the hateful preachers, the hateful protests, the hate in extremist organizations,
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Speaker 2: in our universities, in our arts bodies.
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Speaker 11: The fact that there has been so little action. I mean,
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Speaker 11: for more than eighteen months.
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Speaker 2: As the former Shadow Minister for Education, I battle the
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Speaker 2: government every week to say, whatever it takes, please shut
51:47
Speaker 2: down this anti semitism on university campuses. And they did
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Speaker 2: barely anything.
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Speaker 3: Nothing. You've seen such a strong voice on this.
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Speaker 2: Nothing When the two tel Aviv academics were barricaded in
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Speaker 2: a room, they did nothing. When children were encouraged to
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Speaker 2: chance into Fama at a protest at the University of Sydney,
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Speaker 2: the Education Minister Jason Clair did nothing.
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Speaker 3: The hateful protest. We've been like a broken record on
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Speaker 3: this hit.
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Speaker 2: Spot to hear at the university and the university just
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Speaker 2: saying there's not much we can do, all right.
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Speaker 11: It was just the whole thing has been so horrendous.
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Speaker 2: Sarah, thank you for being here. Really appreciate you for
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Speaker 2: everything that you're doing. You've been amazing is Thank you
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Speaker 2: so much. Now, just to reminder, if you want to
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Speaker 2: support the fifteen victims of this horrific tragedy, you can
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Speaker 2: go to this address www dot charity.
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Speaker 3: That's with the d H A R I d Y dot.
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Speaker 2: Com, forward slash Support Sydney charity dot com Forward slash
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Speaker 2: Support Sydney and it should be on the bottom of
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Speaker 2: the screen right now.
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Speaker 3: All right, so we.
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Speaker 2: Have time for tonight. Thank you for being here with
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Speaker 2: us at there's very difficult time. I'll see you tomorrow
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Speaker 2: at eight. And here's poor Murray
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