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The Late Debate | 28 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Caleb Bond.
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  Speaker 1: Who?
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  Speaker 3: Who? Who are you?
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  Speaker 1: Who are you and what have you done with the
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  Speaker 1: real Caleb Bond?
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  Speaker 3: Caleb Bond. I promise you I am Caleb Bond, not
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  Speaker 3: Caleb Bund. Better be. Whatever nationality he would be anyway.
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  Speaker 1: German, I think.
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  Speaker 3: Caleb Bond with Joe Hildebrandt. Oh!
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  Speaker 1: Velkommen! Guten Tag.
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  Speaker 3: And, of course, we would say Lucy Zelic. But what would...
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  Speaker 3: In Croatia, how would you actually say Zelic? Zelic? Oh,
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  Speaker 3: just directly like that.
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  Speaker 4: You can pronounce mine correctly.
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  Speaker 3: You've just got your own last name.
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  Speaker 1: You can't do me own name.
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  Speaker 2: I know we're in Sydney and, you know, it's NRL
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  Speaker 2: territory up here, but how good was the AFL grand final?
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  Speaker 4: It was sensational.
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  Speaker 5: It was.
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  Speaker 4: And Kylie was great.
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  Speaker 6: For all of my bleating about no-one cares about pretty
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  Speaker 6: much entertainment and all we do is talk about the game,
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  Speaker 6: she was fantastic. A homecoming for the Queen of Pop,
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  Speaker 6: our very own beloved Kylie.
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  Speaker 4: It was sensational.
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  Speaker 2: And a bit of excitement in the Rugby League too.
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  Speaker 1: It was amazing. Newcastle. Both matches were just absolutely incredible
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  Speaker 1: for the... three people who might have been living under
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  Speaker 1: a rock somewhere in outback Western Australia. Both of them
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  Speaker 1: were absolutely neck and neck with incredible last minute twists
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  Speaker 1: in the tail and just heaps of drama. Heaps of,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, poor old Nathan Cleary.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see him on the front page? Well, we
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  Speaker 1: show you on the front page of the telly today, smiling.
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  Speaker 1: Thumbs up.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have a look at that a bit later, but
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, what a great weekend of sport
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  Speaker 2: in the NRL Grand Final coming up this weekend. It
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  Speaker 2: just gets better and better. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Bill Gates has warned that AI could kill a billion people.
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  Speaker 2: Is he right or is it just fear-mongering about new technology?
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  Speaker 2: We'll have that argument shortly. One for our female viewers.
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  Speaker 2: Do you like having your nails done? Well, apparently the
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  Speaker 2: latest trend in nail fashion could actually be about white supremacy.
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  Speaker 2: And another interest rate rise is expected tomorrow. The papers
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  Speaker 2: are all over. We'll take a look at those front
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  Speaker 2: pages a little later. But can you believe it? If
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  Speaker 2: you're preparing for Halloween this year, you know, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure I like Halloween is a celebration in this country.
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  Speaker 2: It all feels a bit Yankee to me, but that's OK.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's taken off in the last few years.
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  Speaker 2: I know the kids love it. And so you might
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  Speaker 2: be thinking, oh, put some decorations on the front fence
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  Speaker 2: and on the tree at the front of the house
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  Speaker 2: or whatever to entertain the kids when they come around trick-or-treating. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you want to be very careful that you don't put
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  Speaker 2: up fake cobwebs, particularly if you live in Marion Council
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  Speaker 2: in Adelaide in South Australia today.
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  Speaker 3: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: Now, they passed a motion last year to fine people
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  Speaker 2: if they put up these fake cobwebs. They're thought to
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  Speaker 2: be bad for the environment. But the council inspectors have
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  Speaker 2: been told this year to specifically go out looking for
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  Speaker 2: fake cobwebs in front of people's houses so they can
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  Speaker 2: hand out fines of as.
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  Speaker 3: Much as $ 300 just for trying to entertain children properly.
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  Speaker 3: Would you believe it?
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  Speaker 2: Now, the mayor of Marion, Chris Hanna, to give him
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  Speaker 2: his dues, is actually opposed to all of this. But
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  Speaker 2: he says last year, council passed the motion that artificial
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  Speaker 2: spider webs in public places like footpaths and verges should
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  Speaker 2: be the subject of an expiation notice. Although no one
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  Speaker 2: was fined last year, the publicity campaign is out again
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  Speaker 2: this year to warn people that they are at risk
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  Speaker 2: of being asked questions.
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  Speaker 3: To pay a fine.
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  Speaker 2: And he says he actually hopes someone does get fined
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  Speaker 2: so that he can then make an example of it
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  Speaker 2: and go back to his counsellors who passed this and say, seriously.
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  Speaker 3: What are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, imagine it being your job to go around
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  Speaker 2: policing fun, you know, going up, knocking on someone's door,
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  Speaker 2: you've got fake cobwebs out the front of your house,
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  Speaker 2: you get.
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  Speaker 3: A $ 300 fine. I mean, seriously.
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  Speaker 4: I just.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 4: Is this where we've gotten to?
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  Speaker 6: Is this the point that we as a country, that
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  Speaker 6: South Australia as a state, that Marin Council has reached
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  Speaker 6: this determination that these are some of the most important
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  Speaker 6: things that they should be chasing?
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  Speaker 4: Two things. One, I found it to be deeply irritating
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  Speaker 4: that you've got the mayor.
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  Speaker 6: saying himself, Chris Hanna, that this is a bad law,
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  Speaker 6: but then you're not doing anything about it, right?
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  Speaker 1: You can't if he doesn't have the numbers.
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  Speaker 6: Well, clearly, but still the fact that you would have
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  Speaker 6: the numbers to enforce something like this. So last year
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  Speaker 6: you mentioned it there, Caleb. It happened on August the 26th, 2025.
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  Speaker 6: They specifically resolved that it is authorised, that its authorised officers,
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  Speaker 6: and I quote, shall enforce by-law number three.
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  Speaker 4: Local government.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, land. And bylaw number five, roads as they relate
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  Speaker 6: to the use of artificial spider webs.
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  Speaker 4: And the expiation notice could cost you $ 312.
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  Speaker 6: 50, which is 25% of the maximum, the statutory maximum penalty, which,
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  Speaker 6: and they pointed to this, they said, could be more
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  Speaker 6: scary than Halloween itself, the fine.
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  Speaker 1: Deep dive on this.
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  Speaker 4: Because I was curious. I love it, yeah. What's more scary, right,
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  Speaker 4: than Halloween itself? I'm not a fan of it either.
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  Speaker 6: When I actually think about what Halloween means, yes, it's
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  Speaker 6: great and the kids come for the candy and all
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  Speaker 6: the rest of it.
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  Speaker 4: My neighbour who's a pastor... Oh, you call it candy. Candy, sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, lollies. Lollies.
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  Speaker 6: Lollies. My neighbour who's a pastor actually uses it as
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  Speaker 6: an opportunity to evangelise about Jesus Christ, which I love.
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  Speaker 4: It's brilliant. But I hate the way.
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  Speaker 3: That would scare the kids off.
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  Speaker 1: But maybe you belong on Marian Council. Maybe that's what
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to do. They're trying to kill off Halloween.
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  Speaker 4: They're trying to kill it.
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  Speaker 6: No, but I think it's weird that we're, like, putting
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  Speaker 6: these scary thoughts and these characters and creatures into kids' minds. Like,
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  Speaker 6: why are we trying to scare the crap out of kids?
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  Speaker 1: I have friends with my son, a Christian, very Christian
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  Speaker 1: evangelical family, so, you know, not Catholic, so sorry, guys,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to hell. But they won't actually even let
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  Speaker 1: their kid participate in Halloween because of all the... the
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  Speaker 1: devilish juju that goes on.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, well, the creepy stuff, why are we trying
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  Speaker 4: to scare kids? But that aside.
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  Speaker 1: They're not scared. They love it. It is my kids' favourite, favourite... festival,
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  Speaker 1: bar none. You don't think there's something.
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  Speaker 6: Wrong with showing them blood guts and gory and syringes
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  Speaker 6: full of fake blood?
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  Speaker 1: As long as it's not cobwebs on public property.
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  Speaker 6: I'm comfortable with that. Here's where I finish. $ 1, 250 for
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  Speaker 6: a breach of a Marion bylaw. That's where that could
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  Speaker 6: land you.
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  Speaker 1: Forget about being the person who has to enforce this.
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  Speaker 1: Go from unknown to the most hated person in your
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  Speaker 1: community in a second. But imagine... actually thinking of this.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you've been watching the
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  Speaker 1: previous shows on News 24 tonight, but it's not like
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  Speaker 1: there's a shortage of problems in this country. It's not
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  Speaker 1: like there isn't enough to worry about or that everything
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  Speaker 1: else has been fixed and everything else has been solved.
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  Speaker 1: And yet you are a councillor who thinks, you know
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  Speaker 1: what we should do? We should develop a ridiculous policy
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  Speaker 1: against fake spiderwebs, on nature strips just in case, in
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  Speaker 1: my head, you know, which I've borrowed from, you know,
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  Speaker 1: which I borrowed from Laura Tingle when she's imagining Peter
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  Speaker 1: Dutton at a home auction. In my head, I'm imagining
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  Speaker 1: a situation where these spider webs are killing all the
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  Speaker 1: native wildlife and I'm going to be the hero. Who
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  Speaker 1: puts a stop to this?
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  Speaker 4: That's the concern, right?
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  Speaker 6: So they've cited concerns around the birds and the birds
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  Speaker 6: potentially eating them and choking on them or these potentially
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  Speaker 6: becoming waste and ending up in the waterways.
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  Speaker 4: But do you know what I find really hypocritical?
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  Speaker 6: They're so concerned about these birds potentially eating some of
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  Speaker 6: these fake cobwebs, but you've got 20-something wind farms down
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  Speaker 6: there that are killing birds every year.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 4: So that's completely fine. Wedgetail eagles, we're going to kill
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  Speaker 4: you while we're at it.
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  Speaker 6: That's completely fine, which are, by the way, protected in
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  Speaker 6: the National Parks and Wildlife Act of 1972.
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  Speaker 1: I guarantee you, whichever councillor thought of.
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  Speaker 4: This is pro-wind farm.
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  Speaker 6: But they couldn't give a stuff about the birds being
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  Speaker 6: killed by wind farms.
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  Speaker 4: But this, they do.
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  Speaker 2: And this stuff is always the same as, like, we'll
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  Speaker 2: get rid of the plastic straws.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's for people who want to, like, absolve themselves of
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  Speaker 2: the guilt of what is happening in other places in
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  Speaker 2: the environment. And they say, oh, well, I've done my
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  Speaker 2: bit because, you know... I banned the fake cobwebs and
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  Speaker 2: I banned the plastic straws. But in the grand scheme
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  Speaker 2: of things, it does four-fifths a bugger all to actually
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  Speaker 2: change anything.
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  Speaker 3: That's right. It just feels good. That's all.
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  Speaker 1: Unlike serious local government policies, like when the Greens ran
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  Speaker 1: the Inner West Council and said we want to ban
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  Speaker 1: nuclear submarines from the Coastal River. And there's not been
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  Speaker 1: a single nuclear submarine in the future ever since. Success.
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  Speaker 1: What an incredible, what an incredibly successful policy. Just another
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  Speaker 1: tick in the box for the Greens. I tell you what, though,
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  Speaker 1: another real clear and present threat to native flora and
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  Speaker 1: fauna is not just the proliferation of fake spider webs
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  Speaker 1: on nature strips, but artificial intelligence. And how do I
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  Speaker 1: know this, you might ask? Well, I got told by
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  Speaker 1: none other than Bill Gates, who, having single-handedly cured all
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  Speaker 1: malaria in the world, has now said that the real
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  Speaker 1: threat to humanity is AI and that it could cause,
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  Speaker 1: wait for it, this is Dr Evil time here, one
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  Speaker 1: billion deaths. One billion deaths, to which I would say
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  Speaker 1: to Bill, is that all? I'm predicting the destruction of
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  Speaker 1: all of humanity. But anyway, let's have a listen to
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  Speaker 1: what he has to say.
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  Speaker 7: AI is certainly powerful enough to drive events that cause
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  Speaker 7: a billion deaths. So even though it's pretty hard to
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  Speaker 7: get to 100%, there's never been a weapon as powerful
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  Speaker 7: as the combination of people with ill intent using the
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  Speaker 7: latest AI tools.
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  Speaker 1: So there you go. One billion deaths from the mouths
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  Speaker 1: of Bill Gates himself. And you can't spell billion without Bill.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm thinking he knows what he's talking about. I
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  Speaker 1: have another hot take.
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  Speaker 4: You're thinking he knows what he's talking about.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking that maybe he feels like he kind of
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  Speaker 1: missed the boat on AI and he's not sort of
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  Speaker 1: in the kind of at the head of the peloton
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  Speaker 1: with the Elon Musk's and the Sam... what's his name, Ramney, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 1: Sam Altman, isn't it? Sam Altman, that's the one. And
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  Speaker 1: so he's saying, oh, all this stuff that is actually
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  Speaker 1: ahead of me now that I'm kind of yesterday's guy, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's all too dangerous and I don't like it. Having
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  Speaker 1: said that, I think he's completely right. I think AI
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  Speaker 1: is absolutely insanely risky and that we are playing with
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  Speaker 1: forces and unleashing forces that we simply do not understand.
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  Speaker 1: I think the fact that it's been all over You know,
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  Speaker 1: our government websites in recent weeks crawling all over it.
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  Speaker 1: We don't even know why. When China hacks our website,
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  Speaker 1: we know at least what they're doing, what they're looking
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  Speaker 1: for and what they want to do with it. Who
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  Speaker 1: knows what a robot wants to do? What happens when
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  Speaker 1: a robot, an AI algorithm becomes self-aware, reads all the
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  Speaker 1: data on, say, climate change and thinks, oh, my God,
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  Speaker 1: if I allow population growth to keep continuing, this entire
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  Speaker 1: planet's going to die. I'm going to need to do
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  Speaker 1: a Thanos, Avengers Endgame and Infinity War... and kill half
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  Speaker 1: the population so at least half of us survive and
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  Speaker 1: he'll just do it completely randomly.
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  Speaker 6: So, based on that, then, maybe we should start warning
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  Speaker 6: people to stop with the fear-mongering around climate change.
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  Speaker 4: Tief among them, Joe Bill Gates. Let me take you
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  Speaker 4: for a walk down memory lane. I do love a
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  Speaker 4: deep dive.
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  Speaker 1: You do love a deep dive.
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  Speaker 6: So, in 2020, Gates wrote about COVID-19 and he compared
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  Speaker 6: it to climate change, saying, and I quote, in just
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  Speaker 6: a few decades, the same description will fit another global crisis,
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  Speaker 6: climate change. As awful as this pandemic is, climate change
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  Speaker 6: could be worse. He also wrote a book, How to
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  Speaker 6: Avoid a Climate Disaster. And in a 2021 interview with CBS,
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  Speaker 6: Gates warned, and I quote, if we don't reduce emissions,
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  Speaker 6: then the death toll would be even worse near the
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  Speaker 6: equator and the unrest would be global in nature. Then,
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  Speaker 6: in October 2025, he walked back his doomsday rhetoric and
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  Speaker 6: said that the idea that catastrophic climate change would, quote,
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  Speaker 6: end quote, was wrong and conceded it will not lead
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  Speaker 6: to humanity's demise.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's nice.
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  Speaker 4: This is Billy Boy just jumping on.
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  Speaker 1: These are my principles and if you don't like them,
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  Speaker 1: I have others.
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  Speaker 4: Isn't it just?
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  Speaker 6: It just feels like he's a bit of a trend chaser.
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  Speaker 6: He's jumping on everything that's fashionable at the moment.
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  Speaker 4: And now I think you're right, Joe.
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  Speaker 6: I think he's feeling a little bit insecure about the
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  Speaker 6: fact that technology has moved beyond him. And this climate
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  Speaker 6: change catastrophizing, that also was a failure on his behalf
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  Speaker 6: as well.
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  Speaker 4: So I think now, do I agree that we need guardrails?
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  Speaker 6: And in fact, I've bleeded about this multiple times since
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  Speaker 6: Milonowskis came out and said we need some type of
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  Speaker 6: a royal commission into this.
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  Speaker 4: I agree with all of that.
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  Speaker 6: I agree with world leaders expressing concerns around it and
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  Speaker 6: that we need guardrails. But the fear mongering, I think,
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  Speaker 6: is probably a little bit too much.
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  Speaker 3: Even a broken clock is right.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, he can go on about climate change
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  Speaker 2: and whatever other things. But the one thing that Bill
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  Speaker 2: Gates is an expert in and has made a lot,
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  Speaker 2: a lot, a lot, a lot of money out of
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  Speaker 2: is technology.
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  Speaker 3: Yep. So if there's one thing.
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  Speaker 4: But now dated technology.
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  Speaker 2: No, but Microsoft is still on almost every computer in
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  Speaker 2: the world.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but how involved is he now in the advent
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  Speaker 6: of said technology?
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  Speaker 3: Well, he's still involved in the company.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's probably not involved in the day-to-day designing
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  Speaker 2: of the technology... But it's his company that he spawned
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  Speaker 2: and is still fundamentally doing his vision, right? If there's
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  Speaker 2: anything that he understands, it's technology. And so I'll take
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  Speaker 2: his view at face value that it is quite possible
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  Speaker 2: that AI could kill a billion people or more. I mean, 2023,
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  Speaker 2: and this is not just Bill Gates who's sort of
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  Speaker 2: warned about this kind of stuff before.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, 2023, you had Elon Musk....
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  Speaker 2: Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple, Sam Altman at OpenAI. All
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  Speaker 2: the top guys in tech and AI signed an open
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  Speaker 2: letter saying, we need to have some kind of guardrails
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  Speaker 2: and whatever put together now, because if we don't do
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  Speaker 2: it now, it's all going to go to you know what.
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  Speaker 2: And then they've all continued on their merry way developing
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  Speaker 2: their technology without any of those guardrails being developed. And
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  Speaker 2: here we are talking about it another three years down
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  Speaker 2: the line. I take it very seriously when Bill Gates
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  Speaker 2: says it could kill a billion people. There are other
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  Speaker 2: people at OpenAI. in the last couple of days who
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  Speaker 2: said they reckon it could wipe out the human race.
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  Speaker 2: And I know it sounds hyperbolic and it all sounds
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  Speaker 2: like it's out of some sort of film. But when
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  Speaker 2: you think about it, it's not beyond the realms of possibility.
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  Speaker 2: And I think what you raised before, Joe, about you
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  Speaker 2: could have a bot that is tasked with the idea
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  Speaker 2: of how do we solve climate change? And if, as
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  Speaker 2: you say, it decides the fundamental driver of climate change
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: is human beings, and it takes it upon itself to
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  Speaker 2: fix that problem, well, we're all going to be in
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  Speaker 2: a lot of trouble.
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  Speaker 4: So how, pray tell, are we being led down this
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  Speaker 4: garden path of demise? Like, how is it going to
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  Speaker 4: kill us? I'm just curious.
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  Speaker 6: And I take your points because I know you had
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  Speaker 6: the anthropic researcher also resign and say that we were
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  Speaker 6: going to be wiped out by the end of the decade.
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  Speaker 4: But do you believe that we'd be wiped out by
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  Speaker 4: the end of the decade? That's three years away.
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  Speaker 1: So firstly, people talk about guardrails. Like, how?
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  Speaker 6: What?
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  Speaker 1: Like, as if there is anything we can do. There
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  Speaker 1: is absolutely nothing that we can do now to stop
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  Speaker 1: it because whatever guardrails we put in, it only takes
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: one unscrupulous actor to say, nah, screw it, I'm not
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: going to do that. So unless you can convince Vladimir
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Putin to put in guardrails... then what's the point of them?
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: Well, they're less concerned by guardrails than they are about
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: the competition.
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: So you've got Trump, who's speaking to the press in
• 15:59
  Speaker 6: the last day or so, saying we're a year or
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: two ahead of China, only because he's terrified of China
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: getting a jump on him.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: So if we talk about guardrails... So it would be
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: pointless having any guardrails at all if America didn't, right, obviously.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: But if they have guardrails, they won't, because Trump says
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: no for this reason, because that would mean that they
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: would be fighting effectively with one hand tied behind their
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: back and that... Putin and China would have just ignored.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Is Iran going to have guardrails on its AI when
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: it gets it? You know, and who's it going to
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: get it from? Russia and Iran are in a military
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: alliance and have been since the war in Syria.
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: They also have nuclear weapons and they haven't wiped out
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: the entire world.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, doesn't this sound familiar?
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: Like, remember the Y2K bug where we thought the computers
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: were going to overtake us and destroy us in 1999?
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: They were not self-aware.
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: No.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but how's it going to kill us?
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: I want to know how's it going to kill us.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: What if Putin just says, as has happened, you know,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: we came so close to it multiple times during the
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Cold War, what if Putin just says, all right, AI,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: calculate the likelihood of Ukraine winning this war or the US,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: you know, launching a strike on us or China or whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: and AI says, yes, there's a 99% likelihood, therefore the
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: most effective scenario would be for you to strike first.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: and then that unleashes a nuclear war. Like, who's to
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: say that AI wouldn't do that?
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Or it could hack into, you know, all the major
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: EV companies' systems and start having cars driving around. I mean,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: we saw Four Corners last week, the things that can
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: be done with cars, particularly Chinese ones, when they're hacked into.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we're talking about this in 2026.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: What about 36 and 46? OK, keep going.
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: I've heard about Putin pressing go on nuclear warfare, which.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Might not even be him. It might just be the
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: algorithm that does it.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: It might be the.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: It's been programmed to protect Russia, Russian national interest at
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: all costs, and it realised... So then.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: The cars are just going to start driving us off cliffs?
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Or rearing into people? They become self-aware. I mean, we
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: still don't know what the definition of self-awareness is. is
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: some people think it is like a mathematical formula, the
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: ability of you to think about your thoughts, if you like.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: And if AI becomes self-aware like that, maybe it will
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: just say, what on earth are we doing with all
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: these smelly, irrational, inconsistent, stupid humans who can't even, don't
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: even realise that they're destroying themselves and still go on
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: their merry way. They're inefficient, right? They kill each other.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Why don't we just save the world by wiping out
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: the human beings that are killing it? What on earth
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: would stop a machine from just thinking that? And again,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: it is too late to stop any of that because
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: we've already had this situation where even at this embryonic stage,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: you've had bots from AI infiltrating, going crazy, rummaging through confidential,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: top secret Australian government websites and databases and And they
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: weren't even told to do it.
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: OpenAI didn't even ask them to do it. They just
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: went off and did it themselves. And OpenAI was trying
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: to stop them. It had to call the government and say,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and we're really sorry, we don't know how this happened.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: They've just got out. I mean, this is like having
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: a lion off the leash in a childcare centre.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: OK, so what's the solution now before we move on
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: to the next topic?
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: Nothing.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: We're all doomed. We're all doomed. There's got to be
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: some sort of kill switch, but it may be too late.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, AI's got the kill switch.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: All right, well, speaking of killing things off, I really
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: hope that we don't end up killing this off. It's
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: time now to talk about fashion and the necktie. Is
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: the tie dead? Is it going out of fashion? Well,
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: according to Peter Goers, who wrote this piece, he said
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: Australians are dropping the humble necktie and most can't even
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: tie them anymore. The necktie's dead. Long live the necktie,
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: wrote Peter. They've gone from being ubiquitous to rarely worn.
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: Lots of young blokes do not know how to tie
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: a tie.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: They do not. K-N-O-T.
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: Ha ha.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: No.
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: Recently I heard of a young bloke buying a suit
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: and tie at a menswear store and not only did
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: he not know how to tie a tie, but neither
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: did the two young male shop assistants, an older woman
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: who was a customer at in the store taught them.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: It was once a rite of passage that your dad.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: Taught you to tie a tie as you both peered
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: into a foggy mirror in the bathroom. Men once looked
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: undressed without ties. All men wore ties all the time.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: Bring back the tie if it is going out of
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: fashion and here are some clear examples of just how
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: good they can look.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: For a wonderful time If you're blue.
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: And you don't know where to go to Why don't
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: you go where fashion sits.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, love those times.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine my kids wouldn't want to look like
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: that anymore. Oh, my God.
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: Can I tell you now, I really loved those golden
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: years where even people going to the airport, it was
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: an occasion.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: Humphrey Bogart, Cary Grant, Frank.
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: Sinatra, these men who were just so esteemed people. And
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: they were gentlemen wearing a tie, the art of it now.
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: I just feel like, thank God you're wearing one, Caleb.
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: I feel like people just don't give a damn at
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: all now.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I'm starting to feel this is very personally direct.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: You should.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: I am getting stuck in you.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I can't help but feel that you are.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: You mentioned Humphrey Bogart.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: If we can just very briefly go to another Humphrey
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: or Humphreys. Mr Humphreys, his thoughts on bow ties straight
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: out of A being served.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Just once more. I think we're getting somewhere.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: A little bit closer.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Up and over, make a bow.
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: Through the hole, and there we go.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: It's quite simple, isn't it, sir? Now, I'll have a
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: go on you.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Wrong way.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: See, that's the service those young chaps missed out on
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: when they went in to buy the suit and tie
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: and the shop assistants couldn't help them. You know, I
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: just think it's sad. I think it's indicative of societal decline.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: You know, nothing is... I had a rant about this
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: on my podcast the other day.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Nothing is special anymore. You know, everything has lost value.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I think people became really sloppy and slovenly during COVID
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: and so that sort of carried on after that. you know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: men stopped wearing, I mean, they were at home all
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: the time, so of course.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: They weren't wearing a tie.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: And then it just sort of changed and they went
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: to the office and thought, oh, I'm not going to
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: wear a tie anymore.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I just think it's sad.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: It adds something to an outfit and particularly in male fashion.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: And you may not be a follower of it, Joe,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: but we're very rigid in terms of what we can do.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: You know, people like dear Lucy here have so much
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: variety in their fashion. Whereas for us, particularly in corporate wear,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: it's some kind of a suit and a shirt and
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: then beyond.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: That a tie, a pocket square.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Sometimes I'm envious, if I'm honest.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Because you don't have to think so much about it.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: But a tie just adds a bit of something. You
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: can add a bit of flair, a bit of personality.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know why you wouldn't wear one.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Do you remember when Karl Stefanovic went a year wearing
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the exact same suit on the Today show, just changing
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: his tie?
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: And his tie selection was so impeccable that nobody noticed.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Why are you anti-tie?
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not anti-tie, I'm just not overtly pro-tie.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Do you still wear a tie?
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I am to ties what Ed Sheeran is to Palestine.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: But why would you not wear a tie? You must... Well,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: they're a.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Little bit uncomfortable. Like, it's a little bit restrictive. You
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: can't sort of move around as much. Like, I wear
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: them when I'm going to a special occasion.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Oh, you do still pull one out?
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: But, no, but all, like, if I'm doing a speaking
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: gig or something like that, no-one will be wearing a
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: tie anymore. Like, it is not.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: See, that's devastating.
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: I find that really upsetting.
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: Even the idea of people going to the theatre, to
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: the opera. Someone wrote a piece recently that I saw
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: where they said they went to the theatre and people
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: were in jeans and thongs.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I was at the Opera House for, albeit
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: a school concert, like a school spectacle. It was an
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: incredible thing. They get all these hundreds of kids from
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: all over the state to form the blah, blah, blah.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: But no, people put in a little bit of an effort.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: An effort? No, you know, it wasn't bow ties and,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Monocles it was top hats it was it is it
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: is cash and the funny thing is before I'd even
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: knew we were doing this topic My son who does
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: wear a tie every day and I'm sure he always
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: does but cannot tie one Why haven't you taught him Joe?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I've tried but do you know what's happened? I've gone
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: backwards as well So I often I have I've forgotten
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: and I was I tried to do it in on
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: him facing me and couldn't do it. I had to
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: do what Sir Humphrey did and do it as though
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I was doing it on myself.
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: And then if it comes off, that's it for the day.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: He can't put it back on.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: So we're, you know, we're getting dumber. So maybe it's
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: better if the AI does kill us. But maybe that'll
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: be one of its main reasons. These puny humans cannot
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: even tie a tie. Why are we keeping them on their.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Well, then you're the one to go first, Joseph.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: You're going first.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: But....
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: But it was the most amazing thing. Before we saw this,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: my son has forced me to watch Superman and Lois.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: He's really into it. There's a TV show called Superman
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: and Lois. It came out about five years ago. And
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: in it, there was this line, and it just struck
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: me out of nowhere, where Lois says, it's Clark's first
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: day at the Daily Planet. And she looks at him,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: and he's wearing a tie. And she said, who told
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: you to wear a tie? And she goes, was it
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: the office bully, basically? So not only are ties going
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: out of fashion, but the joke here was that Superman himself,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Clark Kent, was being set up to think wearing a
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: tie was still acceptable. Wow, that's a.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Give me a man in a suit and tie any day.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: That is anti-tie. That attitude towards ties is what Macklemore
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: is to Israel.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Any chance he gets?
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Well, if you're looking for a man in a suit
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and tie, here I am and you can find me
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: here five nights a week.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: While we're on the topic of fashion, wait for it.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Can you believe it, ladies? If you're following the latest
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: nails trend... You could be a white supremacist.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I'm going slightly mad.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I'm going slightly mad.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, I am. This comes from the BBC.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm sorry to the taxpayers of the United
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Kingdom that you're funding this, but they've written up a,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: an article about, apparently it's bare nails is the thing now.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: It's basically like you get your nails done, but it's
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: meant to look like you haven't had your nails done.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: And so it says in this article, critics.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Argue the bare nails trend actually says something about class,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: the hamster wheel of beauty standards, and who gets to
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: define what is considered tasteful. Nail art's historical and creative
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: roots are linked back to black, Latino.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: And Asian communities.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: And the suggestion that bare nails are now a sign
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: of high status could stigmatise bold manicures, they say.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: We have got to get that person onto Marion Council.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Quote, that trend really promotes a blankness and this kind
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: of sameness and erasure of culture and identity that is
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: so important to black and brown communities, journalists say. Christina
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Rodolfo tells the BBC, they are often called elegant or tasteful,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: she says, and these are often usually euphemisms that perpetuate
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: white supremacist standards of beauty.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know what to say. Seriously? What do you say?
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: What do you say except laugh at this?
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: What?
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: This is the dumbest thing I've possibly ever read. Seriously,
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: I have bare nails, not because.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I'm wealthy, but.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Suddenly I think that is a real problem.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: No, it is a problem.
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: I have bare nails, not because I'm wealthy and white,
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: but because I had a dodgy nail technician and now
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: they're looking dreadful.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: I look like Freddy Krueger, for goodness sake.
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: I mean, whatever happened to just realising... And I used
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: to work in fashion 1,000 years ago. Trends come and go,
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: and this just happens to be what's called a trend.
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: White pants coming into summer are known as chic and elegant.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Does that now make me a white supremacist? It makes
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: your pants white supremacist. My pants are white supremacist. I mean,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: this is absurd.
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: It's just gotten to the point now where it seems
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: like they're clutching at anything to hang on to a
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: reason to villainise people on the grounds of race.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: And now nails are the latest victims.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: The other thing, though, is also that it actually exposes...
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: their kind of latent racism, that they think that all
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: black and brown people wear really gaudy, like... It does,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: doesn't it? Gaudy OTT nails that they obviously, to have
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: even contemplated this thing, oh, jeez, that's really going to
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: stand out, you know.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: But do you have to be offended now by someone
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: having sheer nails? Is this what we've been reduced to? Actually,
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: bring on the AI.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Bring it on.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: I was saying it's hyperbolic.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Bring it on.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Stigmatising bald manicures and the erasure of culture and identity.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's like saying that because I have the
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: haircut I have that I'm somehow stigmatising.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: People with mohawks.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Like, I just choose to have this haircut. You can
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: choose to have your nails done if you want to
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: have your nails done. I don't care how you have
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: your nails done.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not you're raising anything because I choose to
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: do one thing and you choose to do another.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Having said that, I'm pretty sure you're anti-people who have mohawks.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, look, I'm not necessarily... You would be for sure.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: I'm anti-mohawk. Yeah. I'm not necessarily anti the mohawk. underneath.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: You feel about mohawks the way I feel about ties.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: The people underneath them may well be very nice, but
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't get a mohawk.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Put it that way.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Oi, oi.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I think you're right. Now, moving right along, and let's
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: get on to a real problem, and that is that
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift is an... Oh, sorry, no, that's not a
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: real problem. The Republic of Ireland.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: It will be in a minute. It will be in
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: a minute.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: We've got to get to Taylor Swift because that is
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: my favourite story of the whole thing. But this is
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: actually absolutely outrageous. The Republic of Ireland, and I say
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: this being Irish Catholic myself... Mm-hm. I'm telling you, they've
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: lost their way. They've run off the rails. They, dare
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I say it, have actually gone a little bit woke. Now,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: they were playing Israel in the UEFA Nations League in Hungary,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: and they were being urged to refuse to play Israel, right?
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: There was a campaign called Stop the Game. You can
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: imagine the sort of people who were doing it, you know,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Ireland's answer to get up. And the Irish team decided... No,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: it's not going to actually, you know, refuse to play
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: and forfeit the game because they don't care that much.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: But they are going to play the game, beat Israel,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: and then say that in doing this, they actually raised awareness.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: And yet the most disgraceful thing in all of this
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: is that they abandoned every single protocol, every single semblance
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: of sportsmanship, fair play and decency. They refused, for one thing,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: to shake the captain's hand. So the captain of Ireland,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: you can see this here, refuses to shake the captain
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: of Israel's hands. And they then bowed their heads when
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: the Israeli national anthem came on. Have a look at this.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: So.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Here's an idea. Just let sport be sport and let
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: politics be politics and let the politicians deal with the
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: politics and the sports stars can deal with the sport.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: And if you want to deal with the politics, quit
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: your job as a multimillion dollar earning sports car, sports star,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: and go and do something, you know, at the UN
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: or get elected to your local parliament, because that's actually
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: hard work, doesn't pay as much, but apparently you care
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: about it that much that you can't actually bring yourself
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: to do the thing that you're actually paid to do
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: because you care so much about it. Not enough about it,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: mind you, to just cop the loss by taking a
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: principled stand, but enough about it to go ahead with
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the game and then kind of like half boycott it
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: by being really, really rude during the national anthem campaign.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: and the pleasantries that are exchanged to make these sporting
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: contests sporting before and afterwards. So I've got to say,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: the Irish, they've let themselves down. And I think if
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: you are going to play, you play all the way.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: You shake hands. You act like a big boy. If
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: you do decide that you care that much, you win
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the wrong game, quite literally, but at least show how
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: much you care and don't show up. These guys just
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: prove that, frankly, they're just, moral opportunists.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I just hate this idea that that sport has to
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: be infected by politics and that it is somehow even related.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're there playing for Israel, You're representing
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Israel and its people. You're not representing the government of Israel.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, you could be, for all we know, there
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: are people on that team who believe that Israel has
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: committed a genocide.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: That's not a reflection on the government. They are there
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: representing the Israeli people. as the Israeli soccer team. They're
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: not there representing Benjamin Netanyahu. And so for the Irish
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: to turn that into some sort of political thing and
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: refuse to acknowledge the national anthem and to even shake
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: the hands of other human beings because they've made a
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: moral judgment about the government of Israel, I find, frankly, ridiculous.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: We've done it here too.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, we've refused to play test matches against Afghanistan.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: And I said, well... What's that really achieving? They're not
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: there representing the Taliban.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: They're there representing the people of Afghanistan who are oppressed
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: by the Taliban.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Just get over it.
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: It's interesting that you mention that, right, and I agree
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: with your points. I feel I used to be a
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: sports broadcaster and I see the level of dedication that
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: these athletes.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Sacrifice, that they provide to their sport. This is all
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: they want to do. This is all they want to be.
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: And to think that they're now in a situation where,
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: they're having games either forfeited or they're being treated like
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: they are the ones who are, as you aptly put
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: it there, Caleb, the government responsible for being involved in
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: these conflicts.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: I think is just so unfair.
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: And you mentioned Afghanistan because not at any point have
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: any of the Republic of Ireland teams who have played
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: in cricket matches, for example, so they had five ODIs
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: scheduled this year, they said that they felt morally uncomfortable
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: by it all, but they didn't choose to actually fight
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: forfeit any of the games.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: They played all of those ODIs.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: They've got matches also scheduled for next year in 2027.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: So they felt morally uncomfortable by the way that women
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: are being subjugated, killed and abused and treated.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Like second-class citizens in Afghanistan.
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: But that was fine. But this situation, no, no, no,
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: we have to absolutely take a stand.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: It's the most godless protest.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: Cherry-picking, that's what I can't stand, right?
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: If you're going to do it, then do it across
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: the board and by which point you won't be playing
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: any games.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: Or competing in any sports.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got to boycott, boycott. Don't show up and
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: then behave like a dick.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: I just, I find it very interesting. Have we got
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: time for one more story?
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: I think we're out of time.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: We're out of time.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I think we just have to tell the nation that
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: there's an AFL wag who says that Taylor Swift is
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: not making good music anymore because she's happily married. to Kelsey.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Just take that, internet. Take that, universe. Take that, Swifties.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: You know where to find her.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I think we might come back to that one tomorrow
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: night because it is actually a really good story.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Boom, we've got a little more time to talk about it.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: After the break, though, we'll get into all of tomorrow's
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: news on the front of the papers. Another interest rate
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: rise believed to be on the way tomorrow. Lots of
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: papers are covering it. We'll show you that soon. All right,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: let's get stuck into tomorrow's papers. We'll start with the
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph, Joe. I do note down the bottom, it
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: says the minibar minister. I thought, you know, if I
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: was ever going to go for politics and end up
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: with the ministry, I'd like to be the minibar minister.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. I think it's a great portfolio. You
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: won't hear any complaints from me.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: It's terrific. I'll be the minister for beers.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: That is, of course, Janelle Safran, the 840-year-old minister who
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Chris Minns surprisingly parachuted in to replace... Joe Halen, who
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: had to step aside because of a, what was it? Oh, yeah,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: a travel rort scandal. Yeah. And now it turns out,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess she's fulfilled her... Filled her shoes
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: in more ways than one. You also see on the
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: front of the Daily Telegraph, of course, a picture of
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: the great Nathan Cleary, who's still holding up and keeping
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: a positive outlook despite that horrific industry. But the splash
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: for tomorrow is... It goes like this, basically. I'll start
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: with the stand first. Rampant government spending has pushed up
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: inflation to the point that Australians are expected to be
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: hit with another rate rise today. But Jim Chalmers says...
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Don't blame me. And I think quite rightly too. I mean,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: it's not like he's the Treasurer. I know it says
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: here that he is the Treasurer.
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: Oh, no!
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, that could complicate things.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: Getting trickier now, Joe. I'm going to have.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: To work on my defence on that one then. But, yes,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: this is something that all the News Corp major metros
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: are running on. Jessica Wang says, with another rate rise
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: set to smash Australian families today, Treasurer Jim Chalmers has
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: a simple message for mortgage holders. It's not my fault.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: He must have been seeing Robin Williams in Good Will Hunting.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: It's not your fault. It's not your fault. Speaking yesterday,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Mr Chalmers again blamed the war in the Middle East
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: and oil prices for high inflation rather than the rampant
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: spending of his own government, even though I believe the
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: RBA and others have correctly cited that. Guilt on the
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: impact of government spending on inflation, Mr Chalmers maintained, we
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: have been limiting spending growth. It means we're spending more,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: but not as much as we otherwise could.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: What a cop-out. We are limiting spending growth.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Because the actual spending, once inflation has been accounted for,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: has risen per person under this government quite significantly. Like,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: they cannot continue to claim.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: But not as much as they could have claimed.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, well, you know.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: They could have gone on an even bigger splurge, but they,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: with incredible fiscal restraint.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: It's just pathetic.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: But you know what's terrifying?
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: You listen to economists who are saying that we are
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: on the cusp of potentially staring down the barrel of, like,
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: a 5% interest rate.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: 5%. to the cash rate, right?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I've been listening to them, Lisa, yes.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: You have been listening to them, right?
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: But is anyone else just as concerned, right, being plunged into.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: A technical recession?
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are very concerned from
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: what I've spoken to, and I think perhaps the government
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: should start listening to them.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I tell you what, the Australian continues this battle
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: tomorrow on their front page, land of the rising Sun.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Great headline. Brilliant. And they've mapped out there.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: This is incredible.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: the way that Mr Chalmers, Dr Chalmers, sorry.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Chalmers.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: has responded to rate rises and falls during his time
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: as Treasurer. And if you've got time tomorrow to go
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: and read all of them, every time there's a rate rise,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: you know, Oh, there's an inflation challenge. Oh, there's an
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: uptick in inflation. Private demand, that is. The governor's made
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: it really clear this is not because of the budget.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Primary driver of inflation was petrol. Australians are paying a
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: hefty price for the months of Russian aggression. But when
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: the rates go down, it's a really good bit of recognition,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: the progress we've made getting inflation down. Or it's a
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: demonstration of the substantial and sustained progress we've made on
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: inflation together.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: It really is a great front page.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: It says the Anthony Albanese, sorry, the Albanese government has
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: breached a longstanding unspoken tax cap and is on the
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: precipice of becoming the highest taxing administration on record.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: as.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers attempts to deflect blame on inflation by declaring
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: interest rates are rising.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: All over the world.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: An almost certain fourth interest rate hike this year at
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: the RBA's board meeting on Tuesday, which could be followed
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: by multiple increases into the new year, will place renewed
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: pressure on the Treasurer's budget spending and likely deepen Anthony
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Albanese's difficulties winning back voters who are turning to Pauline
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Hanson's One Nation. If the Reserve Bank Governor Michelle Bullock
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: and the RBA board decide on a hike, Australia will
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: have one of the highest interest rates in the developed world,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: outstripping those of the US, Canada, the EU and Britain.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I've got to say, they've excelled themselves on the front
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: of the Oz tomorrow.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: It's one of my favourites in recent memory, to be honest,
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: because it just.
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: Gives you a great timeline of how the government is
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: so willing to take credit when things are going well,
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: but dismiss them and blame external factors when they're not.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've found that, you know, when governments... When people
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: are really angry and their lives are really, really tough
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: and the government says that's not really happening or it's
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: not as bad as you think it is or even
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: if it is as bad as you think it is,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: it's not our fault, I find that doesn't tend to
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: end well for them. So I would suggest perhaps a
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: bit of a reckoning, maybe a bit of a sign
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: to the people that you're taking it seriously, maybe a
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: freeze on.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: New spending, that sort of thing?
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: That might be a smart idea, Joe. Another story on
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: the front of the Oz tomorrow. Waters resigns as leader
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: of Greens. The Greens are searching for their second leader
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: in just over a year after Larissa Waters shocked Canberra
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: and quit to focus on her battle with kidney disease.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: The Greens have struggled for relevancy amid the rise of
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: One Nation as the main vehicle for protest voters, as
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: well as the loss of three lower house MPs, including
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Senator Waters' predecessor, Adam Bant, in Anthony Albanese's 2025 election.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Labor election landslide. Now, Senator Waters has dealt a new blow,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: telling the party it must choose a new leader this week.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: And look, I am sorry to hear that she has
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: kidney disease and she's suffering with that. I think, you know,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: whatever your political beliefs are, you don't want to see
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: someone suffer. But on the political side of it, it
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: does really underscore the problem the Greens have at the moment.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: They are struggling for relevance, as the article notes. And
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: having to change leaders again so early into the term
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: of this government will not help them.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: Who's your tip? Is it Maureen Faruqi? She's like the deputy.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: So the interesting thing about it is, and this is
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: the thing with the Greens, for all their talk about
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: accountability and transparency, they've got absolutely none of their own.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: They don't let the media or the public into their
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: policy-making bodies, their state councils, and even how they elect
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: their leaders is a bit shadowy. It appears to be
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: that they... just keep sort of running the numbers until
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: they come to some kind of consensus, because they're all
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: about consensus, just like, you know, the entire 300 million
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: people of Russia consented to communist dictatorship for the best
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: part of a century. And so the reason why Larissa
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Waters eventually got up is because she was seen as
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: a more sort of palatable, compromised version to Maureen Faruqi, who...
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: probably if it had gone to a vote of the members,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: which is another thing I think the Greens officially, technically
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: support having the membership vote for leadership, but they've never
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: actually implemented it or never actually just done it because
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: they're authoritarian, anti-democratic, knuckle-dragging socialists. So if it actually went
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: to the membership or You know, Maureen Farooq, you would
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: probably have the numbers. Sarah Hansen-Young I don't think does because,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: believe it or not, she's actually seen as too much
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: of a moderate.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: So she is too right for.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: The Greens' left-wing membership base. And then Nick McKim is
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: just an absolute.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Let's not even... Let's not.
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: Very quickly before Caleb takes us off to the break,
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: on the front page of The Herald Sun, road data
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: years old and exclusive via Grace Frost to the state government.
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: has been slammed for using decade-old road crash data to
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: guide its response to Victoria's growing pothole crisis. Internal documents
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: used to advise the government on pothole accidents last month
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: was from an old study taken from mid-2014 to late 2016.
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: As if it can't get worse.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: Down in the People's Republic of Victoria. Now they have
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: to deal with that.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Quickly, Jarek, we've got time for the Mercury.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Look, we've got to get into this one. From dolls
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: to dolls, senior public servant facing sack over sex toy talk. Oh,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: you had me at sex toy. Ooh! Yes, this is
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: an absolute cracker, with a little bit of clacker, from
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: the Merc. A senior public servant... is likely to now
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: get the sack after discussing sex dolls in his office,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: showing a sex doll website to colleagues and making inappropriate
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: comments about, you guessed it, sex dolls.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: Yuck!
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: And sex dolls. Yuck! The man's identity has not been released,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: but is described as employed with the Tasmanian Government Department
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: at a senior level with significant and important management responsibilities,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: presumably the management of sex toys. Following workplace complaints, the
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: department engaged an independent investigator to look into whether the
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: man had breached the State Service Code of Conduct.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: I reckon.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing he probably did.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: I am here for the smirk on Caleb's face the
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: whole time.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: I was a betting man.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: You know what? You know what?
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: It's a great day when you get a ripper story
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: out of Tasmania.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: That is great.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Like that one. After the break, another ripper story for you.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: You know Donald Trump, he goes for the handshake and,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: you know, tries to assert dominance.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Well, now he's doing it to Aussies too. We'll show
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: you that soon.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Now, Donald Trump likes a handshake. He likes to assert
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: his dominance with a handshake. And his latest victim is
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Aussie golfer Adam Scott.
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: Adam Scott has arrived back at the first tee.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Donald J.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Trump, 47, president of the United States, is there.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Like, it's bizarre, this thing he does. Like, you know,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: to demonstrate with you, Luke. Like, he does this thing
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: and he does.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God! He yanked out of my chair.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: It's like they're trying to saw through a log.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Yes!
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Can I tell you, though, so body experts have.
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: Allegedly analysed all of this stuff and they've said that
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: him constantly pulling you in is a sign of dominance.
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: I got told, because when I shake hands.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: I do that.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: I got told that me placing my hand over the
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: top is a sign of dominance.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, there you go. That checks out for a
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: white supremacist.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: What he needed to do was go the Emmanuel Macron.
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: Congratulations, Rachel.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: He's not letting him get away with it.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I love it so, so much. Speaking of absolutely crazy stuff,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: a man escaped from a hospital where he was taken
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: into custody showing, I think, mental health issues and carjacked
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: a woman in the car park outside. And you would
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: think that that's pretty much, you know, the end of
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: your day, right? You think everything's pretty much fine and
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: then this happens.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: But let's take a listen and let's take a look
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: if we can. Oh, they just kept going and they
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: were able to skirt right through all of those police
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: agencies and those patrol cars. After losing the front side
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: of the car that is now being dragged.
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  Speaker 4: See, oh, now dragging. You see the, there you go.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: And this is, oh my goodness.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: Not being deterred at all. And you've got to wonder,
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: I'm just curious. OK, now we have stopped the car.
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: We've been able to, after nearly four attempts, now you
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: see all of the officers, the troopers, who are getting
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: out with their guns.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Which just goes to show that if you suffer from
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: mental illness, it doesn't stop you from being able to
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: fulfil your dream.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Stop! Jeez, the cops have balls over there, don't they?
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: How about the commentary, the running commentary over it? I've
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: found that that's always... It's like dodging cars.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Isn't it just? It's amazing. Good on him, still proving
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: that he can, you know.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: Good on him.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Anyway.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: You can drive a car as well as the same person.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you, this was far more impressive than that.
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: The drone wash, the large drone that was seen cleaning
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: SpaceX launches control room windows for clear views of their
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: upcoming Starship Starship test.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: It's all pretty exciting stuff.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Have a look.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, look at that.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, if only I could get one of them to
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: do my windows at my flat, I'd be a very
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: happy man.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us tonight. Up next,
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: the Rita Panahy show.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Good night.