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RHOA Exclusive with Miss Lawrence · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality the King. It's me Carlos King, the
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  Speaker 1: King of Reality TV and one of the most sought
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  Speaker 1: after executive producers in reality television with over ten years
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  Speaker 1: of production experience. Twice a week on Reality with the King,
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  Speaker 1: we'll sit down with my friends across the entertainment industry,
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  Speaker 1: recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable moments that
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  Speaker 1: we are still talking and tweeting about. Ladies, Gelamen and
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  Speaker 1: Day cause you know, we gotta be all inclusive, right.
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  Speaker 1: I am here with my Libra brother, my sister, my friend,
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  Speaker 1: my love icon, legendary baby Acto Okay in the number
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  Speaker 1: one movie out right now on Netflix, starring with Academy
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  Speaker 1: Award winners and nominees Glenn Close, Monique and for Day
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  Speaker 1: and my best says give it up for the One
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  Speaker 1: the only no last name needed baby, Miss Lauren.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, it's so good to see you. I miss you.
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  Speaker 2: Do you really? I really do miss you too?
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  Speaker 1: No, you are I feel like we all started together.
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  Speaker 2: Yes we did.
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  Speaker 1: And what I want to say to you is I
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  Speaker 1: am very proud of you. Thank you and the reason
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  Speaker 1: why I'm proud of you. And we'll get to the
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  Speaker 1: episode later I'm proud of you because you had a
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  Speaker 1: dream and you never allowed it to waiver. What you
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  Speaker 1: are doing right now in this space with Lee Daniels. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's something that I know through our personal conversations that
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  Speaker 1: you always wanted to do and the fact that you
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  Speaker 1: are living out your wildest dreams. I just want to
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  Speaker 1: say to you on the record, in front of the world.
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  Speaker 1: I know firsthand the sacrifices you've made. I know firsthand
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  Speaker 1: how and we'll get into this too, how you've had
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  Speaker 1: some stressful, depressing moments in your life, right, yes, and
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  Speaker 1: you are faith based human and God is the reason
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  Speaker 1: why you were able to go through it, flow through
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  Speaker 1: it and come.
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  Speaker 2: Out of it unscathed. So I just want to say,
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  Speaker 2: ron of applause, say talk This ain't easy, yea. And
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  Speaker 2: I have to say it was a dream or wasn't
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  Speaker 2: an idea that I didn't think would ever come to
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  Speaker 2: fruition are come to pass? Right? And how I even
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  Speaker 2: ended up, how we even got a chance to meet
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's because I abandoned the side of me
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  Speaker 2: that belonged to the arts, the side of me that
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  Speaker 2: belonged to the acting world, the singing world, the dance world,
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  Speaker 2: all around arts. I abandoned that and I became a
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  Speaker 2: hairstylist and it was through my gift of being a hairstylist,
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  Speaker 2: which is also artistry, that led me to us meeting.
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  Speaker 2: But I have to say that it you know, it
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  Speaker 2: was nothing. I never thought that I would be where
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  Speaker 2: I am, and yes it has. I have had some
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  Speaker 2: extremely dark days. Because the more you know, the more
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  Speaker 2: you weigh. The more you learn, the more you weigh,
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  Speaker 2: the more things weigh you down. The more the truth
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  Speaker 2: about society, the you know, the truth about this game,
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  Speaker 2: this industry, it will weigh you down. So when I say,
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  Speaker 2: the more you know and the more you learn, the
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  Speaker 2: more you weigh. But I wouldn't change any of it
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  Speaker 2: for the for the world. What I would do is
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  Speaker 2: is if I had if I had an idea and
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  Speaker 2: someone gave me a heads up, I would have better prepared.
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  Speaker 2: I would have better prepared. But it's it's been it's
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  Speaker 2: been a journey so far, and I'm I'm still just
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  Speaker 2: scratching the surface, but it has definitely been a journey.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's let's get from the Let's start in the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Because you are a preacher's kid, no, I.
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  Speaker 2: Thought you I grew up in church. You grew up ink,
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  Speaker 2: But I grew up in church. Yes, I did talk
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  Speaker 2: to me about being a black being in church. Did
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  Speaker 2: and you also were in sports. I played football when
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  Speaker 2: I was little. You know, that was during that discovery
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  Speaker 2: era of my parents, right when they were discovering on
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  Speaker 2: how to be the best parent, when they saw the
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  Speaker 2: infeminite ways in which I had, you know, trying to
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  Speaker 2: turn me into that American dream child or that American
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  Speaker 2: little boy. So they put me in football. And because
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  Speaker 2: I just kind of have an innate passion to excel
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  Speaker 2: and be the best at anything that I do, I
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  Speaker 2: was really good at it. I did not want to
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  Speaker 2: do it. I would have much rather been on the
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  Speaker 2: sidelines with the cheerleaders or you know, all the other
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  Speaker 2: drill team girls and stuff like that. But I did
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  Speaker 2: really well at playing football. I played football for the
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  Speaker 2: College Park Rams. Shout out to the College Park Rams.
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  Speaker 2: I was a linebacker, and the most fascinating thing was
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  Speaker 2: seeing looking at all the boys. And I was really good.
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  Speaker 2: I was so good and so much so that the
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  Speaker 2: following season, the coach reached out to my father and
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  Speaker 2: was like, you know, we want them back as the quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm not doing that again. I
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  Speaker 2: don't give damn how good I was. I'm not doing
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  Speaker 2: that again. Now, y'all tried, and I'm still around here
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  Speaker 2: walking with a broken wrist, and I'm still walking around
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  Speaker 2: here walking with a twist and a broken hill and
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  Speaker 2: I'm just comfortable with that. So the football trick didn't work,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm not gonna go do it again. How old
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  Speaker 2: were you when you did the football thing?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember. I was so little. I was young.
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  Speaker 2: I was really young. I don't remember. I really don't.
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  Speaker 2: When did you know that you were gay? As far
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  Speaker 2: as I can remember, I knew that boys. Men just
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  Speaker 2: did something for me, you know what I mean? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: But when I learned what love looks like that moment,
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  Speaker 2: it had nothing to do with a man or a woman.
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  Speaker 2: Love showed me everything that I needed to know to
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  Speaker 2: get through life. So while my attractions and my desire
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  Speaker 2: for men still to this day is what I want
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  Speaker 2: because I am gay, but what I what I hope
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  Speaker 2: and I pray, especially for my straight community, is that
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  Speaker 2: they learn that love has nothing to do with gender.
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  Speaker 2: It has absolutely nothing to do with gender. Yes you
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  Speaker 2: will be same gender loving, but that doesn't mean that
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  Speaker 2: that type of love is different from heterosexual love, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean? And I learned that when I
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  Speaker 2: found my love for black women, when I learned that
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  Speaker 2: we were inseparable, when I was became enamored by their beauty,
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  Speaker 2: which led me to getting into the beauty industry. It's
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  Speaker 2: an indescribable feeling, you know. When I learned that black
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  Speaker 2: women were my safe haven, starting with my mother, my sister, grandmother,
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  Speaker 2: you name it, and just wanting to be around them,
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  Speaker 2: wanting to protect them, and that they protected my emotions
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  Speaker 2: and what I thought of myself, which I later discovered
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  Speaker 2: they were. Black women were the first allies for me.
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  Speaker 2: That's when I knew that love really has nothing to
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  Speaker 2: do with gender. And I want people to learn that.
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  Speaker 1: Did your mother as a kid protect you from people
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  Speaker 1: who may have thought you were different?
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  Speaker 2: Or were you bullied or teased or like what? I never?
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  Speaker 2: I have to be honest, I don't. I never got bullied.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that I can remember. I never. I
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  Speaker 2: never got bullied. Yeah, people would, I've heard every slur
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  Speaker 2: you can think of, you know, but I never got bullied.
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  Speaker 2: I never got like beat up or I never got
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  Speaker 2: that because I was one that would fight and I
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  Speaker 2: knew how to thank God for my big family that
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  Speaker 2: I have, But I didn't. I didn't have that problem.
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  Speaker 2: I have to be honest with you, I did not
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  Speaker 2: have that problem. While I know it exists and I
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  Speaker 2: know it was treacherous back in the day, it was
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  Speaker 2: terrible some some of some of the girls, some of
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  Speaker 2: us didn't make it out because of it. So and
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  Speaker 2: we still have a lot of work to do to
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  Speaker 2: erradical hate that. But that was not my experience. I
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  Speaker 2: think most of my trauma came from emotional and mental trauma.
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  Speaker 2: You know. That actually didn't happen until later again, when
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  Speaker 2: I became an aware individual. Because growing up, I always
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  Speaker 2: had my talents that would be celebrated. I was always
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  Speaker 2: a good dancer. I was always the one that would
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  Speaker 2: dance at the school pep rallies or you know, I
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  Speaker 2: was always the one in high school I could do hair,
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  Speaker 2: so all the girls, they all lived for me. I
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  Speaker 2: had the baddest girls. That was always my closest friends.
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  Speaker 2: So the boys always loved me because they knew I
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  Speaker 2: came with the girls. I didn't have that I didn't have.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have a problem, and you know, it didn't
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  Speaker 2: come until later when I had this idea that I
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  Speaker 2: could take my rightful place and shape in society as
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  Speaker 2: I am, that I would later be shunned out of
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  Speaker 2: places because it wasn't fully accepted. And that's when I'm like, wait,
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  Speaker 2: what is this? You know? And then I had to
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  Speaker 2: go do some studying and I had to do some
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  Speaker 2: unlearning and some relearning or learn or whatever that I
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  Speaker 2: discovered where our discontents were in our culture as black people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get into that because I first
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  Speaker 1: met you on the set of The Real Housewives of
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta in two thousand and eight. Right, I was living
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  Speaker 1: in New York City at the time, and you and
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we ever talked about this. So in
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  Speaker 1: New York City there were these this is like before
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  Speaker 1: social media. Yeah, there were these pictures floating around on
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  Speaker 1: blogs of you and Derek Jy in Atlanta Brain Hills.
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  Speaker 1: And this is two thousand and eight, and it was
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  Speaker 1: a whole thing about like black men wearing heels like
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  Speaker 1: this phenomenon. Right, So here I am leaving New York City,
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  Speaker 1: I go to Atlanta, to do this reality show right.
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  Speaker 2: And I get to Chara's home and I see you.
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  Speaker 1: And all black and the highest of the high heels
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  Speaker 1: and me growing up in Detroit, Michigan, same experience as yours.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't, you know, physically bullied or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously lived in New York City. Everybody New York City
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  Speaker 1: is different, but really never really saw gay black men
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  Speaker 1: in hells. And I remember looking at you, like, that's
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  Speaker 1: the guy whose pictures are floating all around these blogs,
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  Speaker 1: and you were so this is the funny thing about it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, he is the most beautiful, confident man I
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  Speaker 2: have ever seen. And we are around again.
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  Speaker 1: This is two thousand and eight, the upper Eeschenol, black
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  Speaker 1: folks in Atlanta, white people, too, straight people, and you
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  Speaker 1: appeared to fit in like a glove. When did you
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  Speaker 1: decide for yourself when you talk about the space you
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  Speaker 1: wanted to be in this world? When did that decision
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  Speaker 1: come to being like I'm gonna make up and some
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  Speaker 1: heels and it's gonna be me.
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  Speaker 2: You know what. It's weird because it wasn't like a decision.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't like, Okay, this is the moment, this is
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  Speaker 2: what I I have to credit all of it to
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  Speaker 2: the beauty industry. I've been wearing heels or pumps or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: thigh haaboots, you name it since probably what two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and three, two thousand and four. Prior to that, I
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  Speaker 2: graduated from high school in two thousand and one. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not ashamed of my age. I graduated from high school
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  Speaker 2: in two thousand and one. And even in high school,
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  Speaker 2: while I didn't wear heels, I wore like cowboy boots,
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  Speaker 2: but I would have like the heel of them extended.
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  Speaker 2: I would like, oh, ask some more, the padding of
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  Speaker 2: the soul, make the soul thicker, because I wanted it higher,
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  Speaker 2: because it did something so satisfying for me. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: for attention, it was it was it was internal. It
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  Speaker 2: was what I felt, you know. And I was probably
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  Speaker 2: the only person in high school walking around like that.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean I was wearing hair back then. By
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  Speaker 2: the time y'all met me, I had slightly toned it
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  Speaker 2: down because prior y'all was walking around with booty shorts.
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  Speaker 2: What ass out the cowboy slash cowgirl boots? You yeah,
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  Speaker 2: a juicy conture sweat suits with the timberlands, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: very very baby fat about it, very baby fat about it.
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  Speaker 2: So by the time I could y'all met me a lot,
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  Speaker 2: I had come out of that era and I had
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  Speaker 2: gone into grown into like the Manolo Blonics and the
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  Speaker 2: Captain Melandrinos of it all. The blouse says, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So there was never this this moment, this defining moment
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  Speaker 2: where I'm like, oh, I'm gonna wear makeup. It was
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  Speaker 2: just what I felt. It felt good when I started
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  Speaker 2: being I started in the salon as an assistant when
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  Speaker 2: I was fifteen years old. I worked downtown at the salon,
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  Speaker 2: and it just felt natural to go in, you know,
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  Speaker 2: put a little dust of powder on my face. Didn't
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  Speaker 2: know what the hell I was doing. It was a
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  Speaker 2: disaster back then, but it felt I felt good about it,
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  Speaker 2: and I was celebrated for it because I was good
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  Speaker 2: at what I did. I was the best shampooor you know,
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  Speaker 2: I was the best assistant. Everyone left with a smile
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  Speaker 2: and felt good. So I was always celebrated just as
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  Speaker 2: I was. And so as I got older and I
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  Speaker 2: became my own, you know, became a hairstylist for myself,
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  Speaker 2: and I got into doing hair shows, and I remember
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  Speaker 2: in two thousand and five, which was a defining moment.
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  Speaker 2: In two thousand and five, I did the Brono Brother
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  Speaker 2: Hair Battle Royale. I was a rookie at the time.
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  Speaker 2: I had been invited to compete because the person that
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  Speaker 2: was over that reached out to me she had seen
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  Speaker 2: me at the Monique's Hair Show movie premiere. I think
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  Speaker 2: it was called Monique's Hair Show or the Hair Show
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  Speaker 2: or some beauty shot premiere, some kind of movie premiere
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  Speaker 2: center around hair and Monique was in it. And I
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  Speaker 2: had gone and I had this Gion Franco Foray labels
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  Speaker 2: Gion Franco Foray tennis skirt on with the matching boots
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  Speaker 2: and the top. And I had a set of cards
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  Speaker 2: that said that had my information on it and it
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  Speaker 2: said the card said she she ostentatiously stylish and deliberately chic,
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  Speaker 2: and it was a picture of my work on there.
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  Speaker 2: And I got a phone call some week, maybe a
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  Speaker 2: week or two later from Lord bless Us Soul Mami
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  Speaker 2: bell Uh at the time, and she said, we saw
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  Speaker 2: you at the at the at the Hair Show premiere,
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  Speaker 2: and we want to invite you to compete. And the
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  Speaker 2: prestigious Hair Battle Royale, you will be the first of
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  Speaker 2: the youngest to ever do it. But the way she said,
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  Speaker 2: the way you came to that premiere, we know you
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  Speaker 2: were put on a show. And I went and Honey destroyed,
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  Speaker 2: destroyed the hair battle. I will forever say that I won.
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  Speaker 2: I will. I will tell you, I will to my
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  Speaker 2: last day, I wist say I won. But they didn't
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  Speaker 2: let me win because I came out there and I
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  Speaker 2: had on some thigh high Gion Marco Gion Marco Lorenzi
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  Speaker 2: boots and they were thigh hide and I had the
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  Speaker 2: the high waist pants. It was over. Then I had
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  Speaker 2: one of my girlfriends on the stage and she was
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  Speaker 2: one of the girls Honey, and I mean the room
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  Speaker 2: went ballistic. They had never and mind you, Brunn a
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  Speaker 2: brother at the time, and they still aren't assuming the
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  Speaker 2: very religious hair company they were. They're very faith based
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  Speaker 2: and at that time, what I was walking around representing
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  Speaker 2: and presenting was not acceptable. And that was one of
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  Speaker 2: the first times that I felt denied because of who
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  Speaker 2: I was. And so I will forever say that I
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  Speaker 2: won that battle. However, they just didn't give it to me.
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  Speaker 2: And that's okay because later they made their wrong right.
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  Speaker 2: They've reached out to me several times to come and
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  Speaker 2: host and excuse me to come and judge the hair battles,
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  Speaker 2: and they've had to pay me triple what I would
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  Speaker 2: have won. So delay is not denial, but that going back,
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  Speaker 2: that was one of the first times that I ever
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  Speaker 2: felt like I was shunned because of how I chose
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  Speaker 2: to show up, you know. So I can't say that
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  Speaker 2: there is a defiance any moment. It's just I just
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  Speaker 2: walked into and honored and honored my destiny and my journey,
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  Speaker 2: and that just so happened to come with makeup. It
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  Speaker 2: just so happened to come with the heels. It just
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  Speaker 2: don't happened to come with the blouse or skirt, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And here we are, decades later, and I still extract
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  Speaker 2: from that person that I was then, not so much
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  Speaker 2: as now because I like being a little more comfortable now.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to walk around with you know, A
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  Speaker 2: excuse this term, but it is what it is. It's
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  Speaker 2: called a gaff. A gaf is like a little thing that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, keep you tucked and right in place, so
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  Speaker 2: you ain't riding here bulging all over the place. I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to walk around all that stuff on no more.
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  Speaker 2: I don't feel like my feet hurting no more. I
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  Speaker 2: don't feel like none of it no more. So I
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  Speaker 2: want to do it if it colls for that AKA,
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  Speaker 2: if I'm working, yes, you know, yeah, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So the thing is is, back then, when I came
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  Speaker 1: to Atlanta in two thousand and eight, I was.
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  Speaker 2: Impressed and.
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  Speaker 1: So like enamored with Atlanta in the social scene. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta now is different, you know, I think it's very different.
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  Speaker 1: In two thousand and eight, I felt like baby Atlanta
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  Speaker 1: was the place to be. Talk to me about because
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  Speaker 1: me and Takara spoke about New York City in the
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  Speaker 1: very amazing decade of two thousand through twenty ten, and
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  Speaker 1: now New York at the same anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Talk me through what that era was like in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 1: I just I just remember these beautiful, rich, wealthy, successful
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  Speaker 1: black people who were inter mingling with white society on
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  Speaker 1: this same level. And you fit like a glove. You
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  Speaker 1: are not a sore thumb. You know, we were following
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  Speaker 1: these housewives, right, but you had something What was it
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  Speaker 1: about Atlanta at that time where it was like this
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  Speaker 1: is like nothing we've ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what makes Atlanta so magical, and
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  Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with us, but it has
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  Speaker 2: everything to do with our civil rights heroes and ancestors.
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  Speaker 2: When you look at where black people at large has
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  Speaker 2: been able to do become doctors, become lawyers, become CEOs,
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  Speaker 2: become music executives, become film directors, you name it, it
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: is because of the work of our civil rights heroes,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: and the civil rights era started in Atlanta, Georgia. This
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: is the birthplace of the civil rights movement. By way
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: of doctor King, by way of Bayard Rustin, who was
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: an openly black gay man. They worked with their white
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: counterparts to create change. They work with each other, whether
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: they are straight, and I think what we are living
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: right now is their wildest dream and I don't think
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: people even realize that. That is what makes Atlanta so magical,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: the fact that you can walk around and you can
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: take inventory of the people that are in this amazing city.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Some are black and gay, extremely successful, living on the
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: same street as the governor, building homes around the corner
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: from the Governor. You see black women living the same
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: way their white counterparts, you know, live, and black men
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: doing their things. That is what the dream was and
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: it got started right here. And I think that is
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: what people. That is what you see, that is what
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: you get. We have our own type of love language
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: here in Atlanta. We say what we want when we
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: get ready, and we're unbothered by how someone feels about it.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Because again, when Doctor King, when Bayard, when Andy Young,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: when John Lewis, when those people spoke and they spoke
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the truth, they didn't care what nobody thought. They spoke
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and did and said what needed to be said and
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: what needed to be done. And that is what makes
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: it magical. That is what you felt in two thousand
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: and eight when you came here.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: When Bravo came to do this reality show. Did you
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: think it would be the big phenomena it is today?
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Hell no, I didn't know.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: No.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: First of all, none of us knew. None of us
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: knew what was happening. Schara and I were friends. Schara
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: reached out to me one day and she said, you know,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I always have to talk like I can't help it. No,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I love you. Something that happens, I just I love her.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: You mock the girls and out to me. Now, mind you.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: She might not have even been around anybody. But because
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: SCHARAA and Scharay, she always is going to make sure
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: no one hears her. She probably wasn't even around anybody,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: but about imagining that. The conversation, if I can visualize her,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: when she called me, it was this, hey, so uh ah,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: they're doing the show real you have seen Real Housewives
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: of Orange County. So yeah, so they're trying to do
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: something like that here. They want like me needed kim
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: uh at lista, so they I gotta have it, want
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: to have people around me. I was thinking you could
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: come on there with me and you know, maybe you
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: could do my hair something like that. I said, okay, I.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Said, okay, that was good if you not straight personally,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: you note that he nailed it.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Continue So I'm like, okay, I didn't think nothing of it.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, so let me do your hair on
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: the show. They're gonna record you. Were you her regular
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: hairstylist at that time, I was not. We were just
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: good friends. I Charia and I met. I used to
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: shop in her store that she had here called Bella
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Azul and it was a really nice boutique, high end boutique,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: and she sold she had the stuff in there. Honey.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: She had the things, Chloe. I mean, she had the
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: stuff in there. And I would go in there and
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I because you know, I had coins. I was dating
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: somebody that had coins back then. So I would go
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: in there. I would baby, I would drop bags. And
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I didn't learn until later she thought that I was
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: a stylist, that I was shopping for somebody until one
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: day I asked for a dressing room and she and
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: she said, are you about drine his own? I said yeah,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: she said, oh shit, okay. So that's that is what's
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: what sparked the magic and what became later a really good,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: genuine friendship. And we started going out and hanging out.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: We would go to Sweet Lounge all the time, and
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Nini would call because she introduced me to Nini. This
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: is before Housewolives was even a thought. She would introduce
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: me to Nini. I would see Kim Zosiac and Niemas.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: She would go on Nimas and shut the store completely down.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: She was that, you know, Charai was that girl. The
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: girls were the girls, and it's no shape. The girls
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: were the girls. And you know that's how I I
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: That's how Shara and I became friends and then when
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: they reached out to her about the show, she asked
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: me to come on the show with her and do
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: her hair. I'm like, okay, yeah, cool, because she was like,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I need new hairstylus anyway, And so that's that's how
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: that happened. And you know, I didn't know what I
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: was doing. I don't think any of us knew what
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: we were doing, and unbeknownst to me, I became a
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: fan favorite. What I didn't know was the business side.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't know the business. So what the first two
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: or maybe even three seasons, I don't know. I didn't
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: get paid a dime. I didn't know what the hell
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: was going. I didn't have an attorney, I didn't have
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: a manager. I didn't know. I didn't know anything, you know,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: until I later discovered. I'm like, okay, wait a minute,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: So this person on here they getting paid, and I
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: kind of heard around town what the people was getting paid.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, wait a minute, nah.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: So anyway, that's how that happened. And yeah, now you
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: start getting paid season four, I think so, and then
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: that was pennies as well. Again, I didn't know any better.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Did you know how much we're getting paid season four.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Oh it m it was probably like an It was
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: probably like enough for a pair of shoes for me,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: you know. And I think the reason why I didn't
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: trip at first is because I was an extremely successful
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: and well sought after hairstylist. So I mean, I was
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: clearing six figures back then as a hairstylist. So I'm
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: just like, okay, this is But then when it started
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: to affect my schedule at the salon and you know
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, I'm like, I then, wait
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: a minute, now, now this is making most sense for Charae.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: It's making a lot of sense for the Niinnes and
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the the Shawn Snows and the Kim Zosi, but this
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: ain't really making that much sense for me, huh. You know.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: So then that's when you know, I kind of sought
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: guidance and I got someone to kind of help me
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: with asking for some type of contractual agreement in exchange
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: for payment. And so I first just accepted what was
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: what was given to me, and then I later learned
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: that there were people also a part of the show
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: that were on my same level, what they classify as
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: B characters, that was getting significantly more than me. And
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I did not understand that, but you know it it
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: it ended up turning out decent because because of the
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: fans and the people that appreciated me and liked me,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: they you know, that led me to a spin off,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: which was Fashion Queens, and and and Andy Cohen reached
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: out and offer me Fashion Queens, and so I felt
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: like I was somewhat vindicated there. I felt like I
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: was somewhat vindicated there, but it was still I still
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: developed a lot of I guess PTSD behind again because
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I felt like because of who I was, and when
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: you take account to I guess society and where we
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: all fall on the human spectrum and you look at
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: a black queer, super effeminate gay man, you know, I
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: do think that there are a lot of questions as
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: to what the value is and why would we really
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: take care of this person and change this person's life
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: the way we're doing these straight people. That is what
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I later discovered, And so that was very painful and
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I ended up getting you know, I somewhat got out
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: of it, you know, mentally, but you know, it came
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: back a couple of times, and then you know, later
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: on with the show, when I decided to part ways
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: with the show. You know that that definitely played a
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: factor in it. And then a lot of the things
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: that I was seeing that I just did not like,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: you know, in particular, and I will always mention this
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: when when Kenya's friend Brandon came on the show and
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: he had that big physical altercation. I did not appreciate
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: the way that that was handled. I did not appreciate it.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: And one thing that I am absolutely in love with
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: and I am crazy about that is my community, the
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: black LGBTQ community, as well as the black community, the
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: black straight community. I did not like the way that
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: that was handled and I didn't appreciate it, and I
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: expressed that concern with the powers that be, and they
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: asked me several times to you know, come back, reconsider,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: and I honestly I had mentally and spiritually moved on
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: and I just didn't see. I didn't see what other
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: purpose I could serve and what other purpose it could
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: serve me, and so and so I left. Yeah, and
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: I hated I hated it because I love you know,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Kenya's my sister, that's my big sister. I love Marlowe,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I love Charae is because of charade that people even
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: noticed me. She brought me on the show, but I
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: hated the direction that it was. It stopped being fun
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: and it stopped being funny for me, and I didn't appreciate.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: That you made a comment publicly in the past when
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: some of the world, you know, you talk about the
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: branded thing. It's when Brandon Apollo got to the altercation.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Brandon had on risks of pajamas and there were these
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: tons of names being on his direction, you.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Know girl, you know your whatever, And a lot of.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: The audience in the gay community felt like, wait, are
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: we witnessing some sort of.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Homophobia in this.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Are some of you women making fun of him and
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: his sexuality? And they just started questioning, like, y'all love
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: the gay boys, but are your allies for the gay boys?
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: It's a difference. A lot of people felt that way.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Did you feel that some of the cast members.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Were not.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: The gay allies that they presented they presented themselves to be.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna here's the thing. A lot of people don't
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: really know what it means to be an ally. I
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: don't think some of the cast members knew that they
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: weren't an ally or that they were you know. I
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: won't say that they are homophobic. That I won't say.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: What I do know is, you know, we will perish
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: for the lack of knowledge. Right. What I do know
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: is that if you're not taught, and if you're not
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: educated on what to say, what not to say, what's
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: offensive and what's not offensive, you will offend. And I
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: think that is what happened in that moment. The gripe
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: that I have is that there wasn't a moment after
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: that to give it space to be a teachable moment
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: for anybody. And that was my biggest gripe. That was
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: my biggest gripe. I think what I want people to
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: understand about when you say, when people loosely say that
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: they're allies, it's not enough to be an ally without
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: being an accomplice, you know, be an agent of change.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Stand in on my have when you're in rooms and
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: when you're in spaces where we are still very undervalued,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: where your value have might have might have increased in
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: that space, but we're we are still standing here very undervalue.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: So if your value has appreciated, standing the gap, standing
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: the gap, and I think that is what was missing.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Got it?
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: When you go back to the show and you're just there.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Sar recalled you. You're like, okay, I'll do what I
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: gotta do whatever, and the show became a huge hit.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Were you.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Surprised by the instant success of Ninni Leeks, who said
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: on my podcast she always when she first entered this
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: space amongst these women, she felt she was the underdog
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: based on the socio economic status of some of her
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: becast Were you surprised and were some of the other
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: girls to you surprised that the breakout star became Niini Leaks?
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: No, I wasn't surprised. First of all, the underdogs always win, okay.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: And let me say this, I've said this a million
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: times to people. When you go back to season one,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was episode one or not.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: What started reality TV or or or what changed the
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: trajectory of reality TV and what we know of today.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: It started from when Charie left Nini's name off the
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: list episode one. Bottom line, that is what fueled the drama.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: That is when that thing called, oh we gotta have drama,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: we gotta have a storyline. That was the defining moment.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: And so here is the note when you talk about
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: the underdogs always win. It's not a bad thing always
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: to not have your name on the list. Because she
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: became the first icon out of that franchise. Now, many
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: became iconic afterwards. But Lonethi Aliks and it is no shade,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: is iconic. In the reality TV show World, she is iconic.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Chara is legendary, she is iconic. Kenya Moore is legendary, iconic,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: She's been an icon. Marlow Hampton household name, Candy's already
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: been legendary. But when you talk about the one that
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: they didn't see coming, it's Ninny Leaks and it's no shade. Now,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: she by charade will always be the way. Yes, Marlowehampton
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: will always be a that can slay. Kenya Moore is
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Kenya Moore. You can't get her. You're not gonna get her.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Forget about it. It's never happened. It's never happened. Nine
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: leeks did what needed to be done. And then I'm
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: always mother And you know that because you know what
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: the girl you you know, you know I was the
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: one behind the scenes giving girls say this girl, say
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: that did do this child. We are just getting started.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Let's have a real conversation.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I know for a fact that some of these reads
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: you gave the girls, you gave the girls to read
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: to saying her interviews.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I know for a fact you coached some of these girls.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Come here, go ahead, and.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I remember, I'm not gonna say to day unless you
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: want to. Okay, let's see averrale bras were in the
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: same person. I remember being on set one day and
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: it was two housewives in the same room and you
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: looked at one and said, and she follows suit read
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: and we had a good seed. I you were the
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: one this this is public and she and she and
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: she admitted this one. You're the one who told Kenya
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: to get a problem. You taught that the fan that
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Kenya has season five reunion. Not only did you tell
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: her to do that, to to do the fan, you
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: taught her how to pop it, pop it.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: You taught her what was it like?
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Did you have like less than you say, come over
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: and you like did you Was it really a teaching
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: moment with the fan?
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: You know? I I to think about the key ingredient
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: what we now know in all reality TV. You can't
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: have good reality TV without having shade, right and from
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: my world, when you talk about ballroom, when you talk
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: about the black LGBTQ community, we gave the recipe, We
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: created the recipe. We knew what popping a fan on
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: somebody meant, you know. We knew how to read without
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: using a lot of words. We knew how to read
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: and shade without saying a word. You know. And to
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: your point, when it's your girlfriend, when it is your sister,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: you want them to be the best. And when you
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: talk about being competitive, because that's what it is, it's
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: all the compet It's a big competition on them shows.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: It's a big competition. You want your girl and wind,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: you want your best to win, honey, And so you
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: give them the tools, you give them the knowledge, and
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: you tell them to go. Now. I don't do that
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: anymore because it backfired. When I look at I said,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: well that wait a minute. Back here, I'm telling you
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: do this and them holes want to give me five
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: dollars and y'all getting what? Oh? No, bye, No, ma'am.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Did you feel like sometimes these girls should have given
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: you something extra?
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: No, it's not that. No, I'm not going to put
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: that on them. Okay, I'm not gonna put that on them. No, no, no,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't do that, no mm hmm.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: But for people to know that you were an engine
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: because one they always say to people. And this is
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: just me being honest. When you look at the biggest
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: divas in the world, whether a singer, an actress, or
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: reality star, and this is no shade, and you stop
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Oftentimes there is a gay man
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: it is who is ushering them to greatness with the
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: confidence and the tool that they need in order to
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: become the stars that they are.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: It's a very reciprocated relationship, right when you talk about
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: the divas of the world, when you talk about the
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: legendary girls, you know, whether the world knows them or
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: if they're just legendary to you, you give them your
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: all because going back to what I said, when you
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: talk about black women, they were some of our first allies.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: They were some of the first ones to say we
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: see you. And so it's a give and it's a take.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: It's a reciprocated relationship. And so I think we innately
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: want to see each other win and want to see
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: each other be the best versions of ourselves that we
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: can be. When I decided to leave the show, Kenya
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: was very support it. She didn't want me to, of course,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: but she was very supportive and she understood that is
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: what it means to me to say I see you,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I feel you, and I understand. It wasn't much she
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: could do about it. She not running network, she's not
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: over the budget or anything like that. You understand what
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. But just the fact that she understood that
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: meant a lot to me. And she wasn't selfish in saying, oh, no,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I need you to stay because I need this or
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I need no. She supported me.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you referred Marlon Hampton to the show, Yes, why?
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: But she deserved to be on there. During that time
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: in Atlanta, I knew what I knew what you all
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: wanted esthetically, I knew what you all wanted in terms
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: of all the material stuff, what you all wanted for
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: a housewife. And it's no shade. At that time, Marlowe
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: would run circles around all all the girls, and she
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: deserved to be on there. What I hate is that
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Marlowe had such a very deep story in her personal
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: life and her personal journey that I feel like that
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: was never shown or highlighted in its best light because
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: there was a lot too, and a lot behind the labels.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: It was a lot behind the cars. It was a
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: lot behind that that I know personally that I feel
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: like the viewers didn't get a chance to see. Now
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: the drama between the girls, I understand all of that.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: You know, they they all slay each other, they are
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: and I never got in between any of that. I
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: would if I if I tell one or I'm not
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: having this conversation about Kenya or Keny, I'm not having
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: this conversation about Marlowe, or I'm not having this conversation
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: by charade with you and vice versa, I wouldn't do it.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: That is what That is where I drew the line.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: But Marlowe deserved to be there, and I do feel
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: like she added a lot to the show when she
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: came on. She hard headed as hell because she wouldn't
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: let me, She would not let me mentor her the
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: way that I like to, so she wouldn't have run
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: at all them problems on there. But nevertheless, I thought
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: she was a great addition at in the beginning. Were
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: you upset when she dropped the f bom. I was surprised.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: So let me say that was a that was a
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: part of a Marlowe that was new to me. That
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: was a part that I had never heard her her
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: say that. But what I appreciated was that she although
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: she lied about it at first, that which was a
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: key And I honestly think the only reason why she
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: lied about it at first was to not give Charay
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: what she wanted. I don't think I had anything to
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: do with me. I don't think I had anything to
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: do with the culture, with the black gay culture. I
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: don't think that. But what I appreciated is that she
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: set still and listened to the lesson to be learned
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: from it, and she apologized, and that's all it takes.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: I don't expect you to know, Ane, I don't expect
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: everybody to be politically correct or to know what's appropriation
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: or what's appropriated, or what you should and should not know.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Because we're all this ship comes up new every month,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: every year, is something new that you can and can
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: not say, so we will forever evolve when it comes
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: to being culturally and socially sensitive and accurate. So I
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: appreciate when someone is willing to say Okay, Now where
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: did I go wrong? Because this is all I knew
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: my whole life, so I'd never been told that that
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: was wrong. So tell me. And when you do that
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: to me, that shows contrition, That shows that you know
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: you are genuinely wanting to learn and genuinely wanting to
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: build a stronger bridge.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, season four, you were emerging as a top B
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: character on that on that season, so much so that
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Candy wrote a song called Closet Freak that to this day,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I play it.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I Closet Freak.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's an amazing song and your vocals, I
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: mean I had no idea you can sing like that.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: It was the range for me, you know, like it
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: was it was the The song became.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Bigger and bigger and bigger.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we all loved it, but we also saw
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: that it was never released commercially right, And there were
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: conversations about, you know, you didn't feel the deal was
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: right that Candy was presenting to you. What happened to
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: the point where you had this amazing song, it was
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: featured on the show.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: And you two never worked again. It was just it
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: was it was business. I didn't I didn't like the deal.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: It was a three sixty deal that she offered Ken
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: offered with her entertainment company, Candy Code Entertainment. I didn't
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: like it because when I when I read up and
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: learned about three sixty deals. Three sixty deals are usually
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: given to artists that are created, in my opinion, that
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: are created, meaning you aid and establish their image, their name,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: their sound, all of that. Right, So yes, you give,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: you give the label or whatever, a percentage of every
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: single thing that you have. Now, for me, I felt
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: like I was already becoming somewhat of a household name.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: People you know, knew me, they knew who Miss Lawrence was.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: The image was already established, the sound was already kind
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: of established, and so I I didn't feel like it
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: was worth entering into a three sixty deal. And so
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: for that, it just didn't work out. And it's unfortunate
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: because it was unfortunate because it was a great song
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: and people's to this day still talk about Closet Free.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Candy is immensely talented, you know, that's her world that
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: she knows what to do in it. So it was
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: just I wasn't willing to be contractually tied down in
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: that way to Candy coated entertainment. As you could probably see,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: I've not missed out on much. You're doing good, Yeah, no,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: you are.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: And what was interesting is even when you left Housewives,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: it was around a time where you Derrek Jy and
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Mother of our Mother, Debby Smith, had this amazing halfower.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I like to call it a comedy show that was
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: that half fashion conversation because you three had such great chemistry.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: It was called Fashion Queen, Yes right, and it was
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: a ratings hit.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: The ratings were good through the roof. The show was.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Good and everything appeared to be going in the right direction.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: But then it got canceled out the blue. Why did
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Fashion Queens get canceled? And the ratings were so solid,
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: We've never been given a real explanation as to why.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: And here's a note to all of our Fashion Queens
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: fans and supporters. You know, everybody said, oh Andy Cohen,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: I was not Andy Cohen. I think it was like
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: beyond Bravo and beyond obviously Andy Cohen. I think it was.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: You know, that was during the time when we lost
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Joan Rivers the Icon and you know her show was
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Fashion Police, and you know our shows were similar in
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: terms of content, and I I don't know this for sure,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: but I can't help but think that it has something
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: to do with needing our audience, because you know, they
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Fashion Police had lost John Rivers and which was a
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: huge chunk of the Fashion Police and I and this
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: is just me speculating. I'm must because it just didn't
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: make sense to any of us. I think they might
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: have needed our audience. Yeah, so I'm not saying that
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: is what happened, but that is just what I felt
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: of what we felt, because it didn't add up. Fashion
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Queens was a number one show coming on at eleven
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: thirty PM on a Sunday night, which is unheard of
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: to do the numbers that we did. So yeah, it
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: was it was a little engine that could it and
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: it did and it did. But you know, I saw
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: a water underbridge. Everything thing is as it should be.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Bevy was able to go on and do incredible stuff
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: work on multiple shows. She's also now an actress. You know,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: I became an actor thanks to Lee Daniels, who was
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: a fan of Fashion Queens, who noticed me from Fashion Queens.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: And you know, Derek Jay is doing his thing making
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: all the money in the world, you know, working behind
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: the scenes on shows. So I think everything is as
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: it should be, and everything served its purpose while we
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: miss it. While that was the very first show that
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: I ever was a part of where the production company
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: shouts out to embassy row. That showed me how I
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: should be treated as talent. That really made me feel appreciated.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: You know, that is an that is an experience that
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: will forever be attached to my heart and unforgettable.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: When you look at the Real Housewives of Atlanta today,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: what do you think of the show now in terms
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: of what has become.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: I've watched, I watched last season. I enjoyed it. I'm sorry,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed last season. I'm gonna be honest. I think
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of the girls get in a lot of
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: the girl's way. I think if everybody can go back
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: to the original formula and the original mindset, I think
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: if everybody will stop trying to stifle other people's paychecks
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: and other people's jobs, I think you would probably have
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: the exact same cast that you had from the beginning,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: or from that golden era of housewives. You know, I
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: think everybody in their own right became stars, and I
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: don't know who, I don't know what organization. I don't
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: know what entity, but somewhere, somehow, the powers that be
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: gave a lot of the girls this false sense of
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: entitlement that some of them could dictate who gets to
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: be what and do what. And I think that's where
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: it feels short. I think that's where it feels short.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: I think people became extremely celebrity driven and so celebrated
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: by the fans that they no longer wanted to be
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: seen as the person that could be read. That they
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: no longer wanted to be seen as the person that
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: could possibly get trampled on, you know, And so they
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: have this urgency to stand up and vindicate themselves, but
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: not on film, to the networks, to get whatever person
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: did whatever taken out. And it's all derived from ego.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: And it's clear as day when I watched the show now,
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: while I still enjoyed it last season, yeah, I wish
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: everyone could have a moment and get recentered and go
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: make your fucking money. Go make your coin. It's that simple.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: I've heard from other people in other reality show spaces
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: how much money they make and I'm like what, And
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: I know what the girls was making on House, and
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: I'm like, can y'all talking about because this person said,
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: if you don't shut up and get your coin, get
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: your coin. Some people on them other shows they would
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: they would love to be in the in those seats
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: and to just let it go like that. I'm like,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: oh my god, are you serious. And they're all stronger
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: with each other. But the problem I think came in
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: when they thought they were becoming weaker because one seemed
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: to be stronger. That's all a false perception. They were
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: all very strong and super strong together. What happened to
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: what you just said?
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Season one, episode one, Charae admitted on my podcast she
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: purposefully left Nini's off the list. She said, they wanted
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: her to be at my house. I said, I know
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: what y'all producers want. That's my house and it's gonna happen.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: I'm going to purposefully leave her name off the list.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: She did it on purpose.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Nini Leags had no idea, gave a great scene that
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: entire season one was Charai versus Meedi because they both
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: lived in the reality of this is my life. I'm
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: gonna do that and it made for great television and
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: the rest is history. So I cannot agree with you more.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: There was a time, though Lawrence, where you were approached
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: to be a housewife of Atlanta, you were approached to
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: have a peach.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: What happened, I do not know. I went through a
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: couple of interviews. Maybe we never got around to like filming,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: but I remember some of the producers or scouts whatever
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: came looked at my place, my condo. They already knew
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: I was successful. Now. What I was told when it
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: got back to the higher higher ups was that they
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: were not ready to go in that direction. That was
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: what I was told. And I think that was one
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: of the things that they tried, because I think they
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: could kind of sense that I was kind of drifting away,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: and I really, I really, I can't think of who
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: it was that saw fit for me to be like
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: the first openly gay individual to have to be a
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: peace holder. But they advocated hard, and when it got
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: to the higher ups, I was told that they were
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: told they weren't really ready to go in that direction
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: just yet. Yeah, And that was another thing that made
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: me be like, Okay, there's really nothing else else here
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: for me to do. You ain't ever giving me no peach.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: I ain't getting there. One of them multimillion dollar pay checks.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: You know, did y'all give the girls? Not pumping y'all teas,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: But it is what it is. I know you ain't
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: want to go give me that shit. So I'm like, well, honey,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna take these five dollars y'all and gave me
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: thus far, and I'm gonna go in and make it
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: do what it do, you know. And so yeah, when you.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Left the show and then Fashion Queens got canceled, did
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: you go through a dark period in your life?
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: I did not even have time. As soon as Fashion
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Queens was canceled, I was already in the Lee Daniels network.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: So right after Fashion Queens that last the third season,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: I got invited to come on to Empire, and I
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: shot a couple of episodes of Empire. And right after Empire,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Lee was in the process of developing and creating the
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: show Star that became also a hit on Fox, and
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: this time I was a series regular. He created this character,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: Miss Bruce for me, and so I went right into that.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: So I was I was heartbroken because I I loved
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Fashion Queens. I mean it was it was a joy
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: to go to work every week and be with Bevy
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: and Derek and the whole Embassy Row family, you know,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Deirdrew Connelly and you know, it was it was a joy,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: and so I was very heartbroken. It felt like a breakup,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: like a bad breakup, although it wasn't a bad breakup.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: But I felt like that just left me. That's how
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: I thought he left me. That's how I felt. But
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: I didn't have too much time to weep because I
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: went straight into into my acting career, which is is
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: funny because that was my original one of my original
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: passions when I was younger. Again, like I said, from
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: the beginning, being a part of the arts. And so
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: my biggest note to people is nurture the gifts that
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: you've been given, give it one hundred and ten percent
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: and allow that to make room. And if it had
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: it not been for the beauty industry, me becoming Charaise hairstylist,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: you know, excuse me, me becoming Charaise hairstylist, you know,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: tracking through the Housewolves of Atlanta days to fashion queens,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have gotten noticed by one of the most
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: important and most incredible filmmakers that we know today, which
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: is Lee Daniels, and I wouldn't be sitting here as
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: an actor now, you know, talking about my latest project,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: The Deliverance. How has Lee Daniels changed your life?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Like talk to me about because you know, one thing
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: that I love about you is the fact that you
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: give credit where credit is due. And I feel like
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: there's something that happened along the way with some celebrities.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: They no longer want to give the profit of the
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: person who gave them the opportunity.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: And it's very dangerous. That's very dangerous to do right
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: because none of our victories happened solely because of us.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Somebody had to be put in place. There was a
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: vessel somewhere that God said, I need you to go
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: do this on my behalf for this person. So who
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: am I to not say ay, to not give it
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: all counted, all joy and give God the glory and
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: to recognize those that He used to bring the glory.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: I can't. I cannot do that in good consciousness. That's
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: that is I'm not I'm not built like that. Lee Daniels.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: You know, he was in charge of opening a portal
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: for me that I did not think was possible. I
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: did not think that I would ever be able to
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: utilize my gift as an actor, you know, or any
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: of it. You know. I didn't think that I would
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: be on the same screen as powerhouse vets in the industry,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: from Queen Latifah to Glenn Close, to Monique to Patty LaBelle,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: to Gladys Knight to Benjamin Brad Andrew Day, who's a
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: real gem. The relationships that I have created because of
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: Lee Daniels that are life lasting, My relationships with my
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: brother Tyler Williams, who was also on the United States
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: Versus Billie Holiday with Me, Davine and Joy Randolph, you know,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: you name it. I wouldn't have any of this had
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: it not been for Lee Daniels, who saw my potential,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: who saw and recognized my gifts, and who told God, yes,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: I got them. And I will forever be grateful. I
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: am now at a point where I am now learning
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: the business side of this side of the industry. So
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: it's interesting, but it is it is still very rewarding.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: It's more than what the guy was making on Housewives,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: on Fashion Queens, I'll tell you that much.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: But the thing, you know, what's so funny is it
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: warms my spirit when I see you at the award shows. Yeah,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: when I see on the red carpet, because, like I said,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: you and I have to have personal conversations, and I
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: know there's just been moments where you're trying to figure
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: things out, like we're all trying to do today, right.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: So to see that you're so successful in a genre
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: that is just so that you're you're really good, like
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: you're really you're a really good actor. I mean the Deliverance,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: I mean number one movie on Netflix. The movie is everything.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: Your comedy Chops is everything, your acting ability is everything.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: And even the fact that you know you know how
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: to like roll some dice. So do you really know
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: how to roll dice? I have no idea. I had
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: to like study, I had to.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Do you have to study how to So wait, so
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: I don't my legs?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: So do you like do you like I don't play dice?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: Like ginger and casino? Like? How what did you the
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: way you talk Kenya how to like do the fan
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: to roll dice? So you know you you go in
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: for me. When I read the script and learned that, okay,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Asia is playing dice or gambling with the kids, I'm like, okay,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: now let me go on YouTube and see, how do
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: you do that? You know what I'm saying. You know,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: I have played scraps? Is it s craps? Is it craps? Craps? Craps?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: I have played Okay, I have played crap. It's craps.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: It's craps, It's craps. I have played craps for so
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: I know a little bit, right, But I wanted to
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: make sure that it was real. So I went and studied.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: I wanted to study what does that look like? I
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: want to study the terminology, you know? But what I
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: you know, what's genius and what's what's so good about Lee?
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Lee gives you space to show up as yourself first, right,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: and then he strips you. It's important that you show
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: up as yourself first because you need to find yourself
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: in the character. Then you're stripped, you get stripped, and
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: then you become this new character with yourself in it,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: you know. And I think that's what makes Lee so
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: so genius. And I think that's why he gets the
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: best work out of artists and out of actors. You
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: just you show up, and you know, I think it's
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: it helps with your working relationship as well, because when
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: you show up as yourself to your director. They get
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: to learn and know who you are, which opens the
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: door for them to show you who they are. And
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: then you develop that level of trust. And when you
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: trust your director, that's when that's when the magic happens.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: When Lee says do something, you just do it. I
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: have to tell this story. When I was shooting Billie Holliday,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: there was a scene. It did not make the movie
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: for fortunately, but there was a scene where he told
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: me to I had to I was eating I had
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: to be eating something. And it was well over midnight
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: when we were shooting, so everything was closed. He originally
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: wanted me to be eating fried chicken, but they couldn't
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: get fried chicken anywhere. He insisted, but they was like, okay,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: there's no fried chicken anywhere. So he's like, okay, he
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: needs to be eating something. He needs, Okay, give him banana.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Eat the banana. So they bring me a banana and
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: I'm eating the banana. He comes over and he whispers
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: in my ear. He said, I need you to eat
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: this banana with urgency. You know what I mean. I
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: need you to eat it with urgency. And I looked
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: at Tyler because my brother Tyler was right there. I said,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: what the don't you eat a banana? Word? Now, I
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: am skillful a kind of you eat a banana with urgency.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: So Tyler like, Chad, just do it. Yeah, because we
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: had time to figure out shit out is just just
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: just eat it. So baby, I had took de banana
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: and I had I had a debonaam And after we
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: finished the scene, lisaid, come here, I want to show
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: you something. And I went to the monitor and the
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: way that it translated was magic. I was like, you
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: would never think from that note that you're going to
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: get that performance. That's what makes them the icon. That's
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: why he breeds Oscar winners and Golden Globe winners, that's
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: why to go inside his head, which I don't think
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: anybody will be able to do, it's indescribable. It's indescribable.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, say this is Glenn J.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Blange is what the social media girls are calling her now.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, what was that like to work
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: with Glenn clothes and her black scent and the wigs.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I didn't know when I learned that
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: I was gonna be in a scene with her, because
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: I shot several scenes. But you know, cutting room Florida
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Da Da, and I was like, Oh, I'm gonna be
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: a scene with Glenn.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, what to expect. You know,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: this is you know, this is the krim de la
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Cruseel Honey. When I say the most beautiful, humble down
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: the earth, I mean person that you can think of.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: I mean it's no extra bells and whistles, which fascinates
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: me because here's this woman who is one of the
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: most decorated women in Hollywood, who doesn't require all of that.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: And then you meet a reality star and us they
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: got ten assistants, and I just I think it is
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: a key and I'm not reading them, but I think
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: it's fascinating.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: No, no read them, because no read read them because
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: I listen. I always tell the girls, and my girls
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: are the reality girls. I always tell them, like, this
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: is not going to end well for you, because to
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: have an ego of this magnitude and this diva quality
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: of being late, showing them when you feel like it,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: disrespecting the crew, talking to the producers any kind of way,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: shading your producers on social media because you don't like
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: the way the episode, or whatever the case may be
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: going against everybody around you.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: That's not going to end well for you.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: So when you have someone like Glenn Close, who, like
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: you said, is one of the most decorated women in
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: the world, who shows up, does her job and goes
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: home and doesn't require a lot.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: And is a team player, you know, wants the best
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: for the scene, wants the best for everybody in the scene.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: On the on the during the birthday party and we
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: were singing Happy Birthday. What they didn't show is that
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: we went into the black version of Happy Birthday, Happy
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: Birthday to you, and Glenn was like, hey, can you
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: help me out, Like, how does it go? Can you
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: teach it to me? Really quick? I got to teach
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: Glenn Close how to do the black version of Happy Birthday,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: and honey, she did it. Oh, I bet she did.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: She did it. You know they didn't that part didn't
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: make the cut, but she did it. And I mean,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: you know, just and just down to her wanting to
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: make sure that she got you know, some of our
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: sound right, you know the diction, you know, Glenn Close
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: asking me, and I'm just like wow. So it's those
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: opportunities that I've been afforded that I wouldn't. It's priceless.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: It's priceless. Yeah, So what's next for you? Well, what's
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: next for miss Lawrence? Well, there was a show on
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: the horizon, like a TV show. There's a scripted drama
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: TV show on the horizon. I don't know if I
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: can talk too too much about it, but it's been
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: in the work for maybe three four years now, so
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: we are extremely close to starting on a big network.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: I will I think this time. I think this time,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be number one on the call. She number
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: one the call show I'm starting in. This will be
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: the star if it is a Lead Daniel's production, Lee
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: Daniels production. I'm super super excited about it. I can't
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: tell you this is that I will be a detective.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: I will be a detective. Yeah, so my work is
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: cut out for me. So I got to be running,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: I gotta be jumping, chasing after I gotta do all
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: that and I am so ready. Don't make me cry. Yeah,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm super excited about that. So that is what
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: is in the near future. That's what's next. You deserve
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: all this plus more. You really you you, you have
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: never changed.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: You are the same missus Lawrence since two thousand and
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: eight that they have met you. You haven't allowed this
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: fame to come to your head. You went to Charay's
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: fashion show to support her because you knew what a
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: big deal that was for Charae even recently hasn't obviously
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: this season hasn't, this upcoming season has not aired. But
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: obviously Kenya Moore had a hair showing her salon and
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: you were, you know, there. What can you say to
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: the world about how Kenya is doing because you were
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: actually there when that whole thing went down.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: You know what's funny, I wasn't there when that happened.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: I was there. I did the part Kenya asked me
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: to do, which was judge a hair show with Cynthia
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: was there and I left right afterwards. Now, everything that
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: happened at I was like, what happened? I couldn't believe
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: all this. I didn't know. I was like, well, I
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: didn't see none of that, So I don't know what
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: y'all talking about. But yeah, I don't know. And I
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: talked to Kenya maybe maybe a month after that happened.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: King is good, Kenya is good. I learned that the
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: rumors were not true that she wasn't fired, that she
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: wasn't suspended. They, to my understanding, had just paused her
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: part of our side of the production. That's That's pretty
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: much all that I know. Do I think it's fair? No,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: I don't, because the show was built off of the
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: shadiest and nastiest drama and shade and reading you could
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: possibly think of. So I was very surprised and taken
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: back that, you know, she had to suffer in whatever
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: way because of what transpired and what is what exactly transpired.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: I have no idea the severity of whatever the repercussions were.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: I have no idea, but just based on what I've read,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's not fair if what they're saying
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: is true. And what I what I love about Kenya.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: When she and I talked, we spend more time about
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: her wanting to know if I'm okay and how things
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: are going with me. So we talked very briefly about
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: the show. We talk about Brooklyn, you know, stuff like that.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: So it But to answer your question, I think Kenya
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: is doing I think she's doing quite well. Yeah, I
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: think Kenya has surpassed what her original goal was in
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: terms of being a part of Housewives of Atlanta. I
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: don't think she intended to stay this long. So I
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: think she's doing well. You know, and sometimes, you know,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: when things get shaken up, it is time to go
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: on and figure out what's next. And sometimes if you
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: don't do it, the universe will make you or God
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: will make you. Baby.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, and then you have to accept the reality of
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: the situation. Yeah, don't feel bad for yourself. And no,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: this is this is true. You're living proof of it.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: So in my in terms of God will stop an
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: opportunity for you because there.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: We will block it to bless it. Oh, He'll block
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: it to bless it. He will block it to bless it. No,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: I received that. I received that. Are you in love?
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: Are you dating? Oh? I mean I have a very
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: strong situationship. What does that mean? That's all I say.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: I have a very strong situationship.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: How long has this strong situationship been in effect?
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: A long time? That's all I can say. Yeah, I'm
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: not going into that next question. No, I'm just saying,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: but you are happy? I am. I'm comfortable. Yeah, I'm comfortable.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Look at you. You vision it for the water. Okay,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: I'm comfortable. I'm comfortable, no complaints. I don't have any complaints.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: I'm not I am. I am still. I am still
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: driven and excited about where I'm going and what I
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: know has been promised to me, and so I don't
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: want to be too too distracted. So I think where
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: I am in my situation is perfect.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: And as a fellow Libra, I could not agree with
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: you more same obviously very private people. The relationship part.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: I just think that's just something that is over there
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: and what it does not that you need my advice
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: because you don't, because you're very wise for your young age.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: But I would say keep it that way and it
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: has worked out for you. I have known this man
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: since two thousand and eight. I have never seen him
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: on a date. I have never seen I have never
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: ever ever.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: He's you know, So I love it about you.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: You really keep that separate and that's amazing.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: You know. Historically speaking, you know this from all your
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: girls on the show. Every time a couple is introduced
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: by it is not long lived on them shows, and
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: it's a rap. Keep that shit to yourself, now, I get,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: And like when you talk about reality shows, that's a
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: part of it. They want to know who your significant others,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: so that's a part of it. So I honestly don't
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: even have any advice for people that are going into
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: reality shows and you know, you know, getting match made
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, because I don't know
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: what it would take to keep that type of unionship,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: our relationship or courtship or whatever together in the face
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: of the camera and everything that comes with that camera.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know. No. I told.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Somebody recently that be happy that you're down on the
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: show anymore, because I think your husband is waiting for you.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: And I said, in my opinion, I don't think you
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: will ever meet a man being on the show. And
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: what's interesting is you low key don't want a man
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: who's too eager to film on the show.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: No, because it's not real, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: I said, so take this opportunity to find possibly you're
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: happily ever after, and I do believe that for this person.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: Thank you, miss Lawrence. This was everything a long time coming.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: I'm actually several times, but this is the perfect time
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: to do it, and I like the fact that we
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: can do it in person, one on one, in this setting,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: celebrating you having the number one movie on Netflix for
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: over a week.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, two weeks, now two weeks. Think, yeah for two weeks.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: So congratulations, I love you. I love you too. Yeah.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: Give it up for miss Lauren. Thank you for listening
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