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The Late Debate | 24 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late Debase. Good evening and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the program. I'm Caleb Bond with the Niger to Georgio
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  Speaker 1: and Joe Hildebrand, who's filling in for James McPherson. He's
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  Speaker 1: off having a little holiday.
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  Speaker 2: The bug crossing you guys ever put in the full
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  Speaker 2: lady minutes. I'm here all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Well like you are.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what's happening going on?
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  Speaker 1: We're trying our best, but James.
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  Speaker 3: James's about to solve flitting around.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm sure you're glad to be here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very glad. There's no where I'd rather be.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah, Well why would you rather be on holiday?
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  Speaker 1: I believe it. Here's what's coming up tonight. Spyboss Mike
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  Speaker 1: Burgess has said tonight that he's gravely concerned about the
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  Speaker 1: temperature and trajectory of terror threats in Australia and that
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  Speaker 1: a foreign country has hacked a critical infrastructure provider in
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  Speaker 1: order CRIPPLETZ Network. All the details from his security threat updates.
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  Speaker 1: In a moment, people lost their minds over paul In
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  Speaker 1: Hanson saying Australia should be monocultural and suggested that half
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  Speaker 1: the Soccooo's team wouldn't exist under that vision well, as
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  Speaker 1: Hansen says, the Sopperoos are the perfect example of monoculturalism.
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  Speaker 1: More on that later, And one of the country's most
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  Speaker 1: prestigious boarding schools has been accused of breaching human rights
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  Speaker 1: for making students who snuck out at night sleep in
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  Speaker 1: isolated tents. That's on the front of The Australian. But
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  Speaker 1: first we can bring you the news tonight, breaking news
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  Speaker 1: that Karl Stefanovic, because longtime host of Today on Channel
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  Speaker 1: nine and a long time journalist at Channel nine, has
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  Speaker 1: been effectively sacked by the network. This is directly from
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  Speaker 1: the Sidney Morning Herald, which is owned by the nine network.
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  Speaker 1: They report that Nine is negotiating terms for long time
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  Speaker 1: Today host Karl Stefanovic to leave the network following his
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  Speaker 1: incenjury podcast interview. They call it with far right British
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  Speaker 1: activist Tommy Robinson potentially diffusing a major advertiser. Boycott says
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  Speaker 1: Nine made the decision on Wednesday evening, following a series
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  Speaker 1: of crisis meetings at its North Sydney Head Court, as
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  Speaker 1: the fifty one year old was in London when told
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  Speaker 1: the network wanted to part Ways. Following weeks of worsening tensions.
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  Speaker 1: It is unclear whether the network's highest paid presenter will
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  Speaker 1: receive any form of exit payment. The OLDS is also
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  Speaker 1: reporting that over the next few days it's expected that
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  Speaker 1: nine's lawyers and his lawyers will knock their heads together
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  Speaker 1: and come up with whatever this exit deal might end
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  Speaker 1: up being. Now, of course, as I mentioned before, the
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  Speaker 1: problem at hand is that Carl is currently in the UK,
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  Speaker 1: where he recorded a podcast with Tommy Robinson. Now, Tommy Robinson,
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  Speaker 1: as I said, is a right wing activist over there,
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  Speaker 1: and he's been caught up in a number of different things.
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  Speaker 1: He's been convicted of assault, he's been convicted of threats,
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  Speaker 1: he's been convicted of harassment, he's been convicted of fraud,
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  Speaker 1: he's been convicted of contempt of court. He is a
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  Speaker 1: controversial figure. Seemingly for nine this was a step too far.
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  Speaker 1: But of course a lot of the talk has been
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  Speaker 1: whether or not this is actually what Karl wanted all along,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, he got permission when he did his
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  Speaker 1: deal for this year with Channel nine to go out
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  Speaker 1: and do his own podcast. I think the first guest
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  Speaker 1: he had on his podcast was Pauline Hanson. We'll talk
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  Speaker 1: a bit more about Pauline and Carl in a moment.
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  Speaker 1: And he's had plenty of people from the riot. He's
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  Speaker 1: had quite a few controversial people on the podcast. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: all along what he wanted was to go Channel nine
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  Speaker 1: into getting rid of him, and here he has it.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's played it really smart. I think that
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  Speaker 4: he probably wanted this outcome from the beginning. I mean
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  Speaker 4: that was very very clear. You could tell he was
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  Speaker 4: going off on his own trajectory. Firstly, nine brought this
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  Speaker 4: upon itself right, it did, because I am shocked that
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  Speaker 4: they would allow him to go off on his own venture,
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  Speaker 4: because this podcast had nothing to do with Channel nine.
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  Speaker 3: And it is very very rare that when you are talent.
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  Speaker 4: Especially somebody so high profile, to be able to go
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  Speaker 4: and do your own business venture.
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  Speaker 3: It just doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 4: When your contract to a network, they effectively in a
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  Speaker 4: way almost own you in a way, because it's very
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  Speaker 4: difficult to go and do outside media jobs without having
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  Speaker 4: to go through permission purposes.
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  Speaker 3: It is quite difficult.
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  Speaker 4: So n I'm brought it upon themselves. Now, what I'll
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  Speaker 4: say about Tommy Robinson, I look for what it's worth
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  Speaker 4: I actually agree with a lot of the stuff that
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  Speaker 4: Tommy Robinson does say when it comes to immigration. People
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  Speaker 4: either like him or they loathe him, and that's absolutely
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  Speaker 4: totally fine. What I didn't like the most about extraordinary
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  Speaker 4: about him was, you know, but Carl had his arm
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  Speaker 4: around him in the promotional footage, was calling him mate.
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  Speaker 4: And sure, he is a convicted criminal. I'm not going
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  Speaker 4: to deny that. And I think what he has done
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  Speaker 4: in his past was absolutely shocking. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 4: deny that. But there are things that I think he
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  Speaker 4: talks pretty common sense when it comes to when it
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  Speaker 4: does come to migration, and that is why I think
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  Speaker 4: that Karl did this particular interview. Now, admittedly I never
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  Speaker 4: watched the entire interview. I know that it was Paul,
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  Speaker 4: but I didn't get to see the entire thing, and
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  Speaker 4: I would have liked to have watched it.
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  Speaker 3: But I think nine brought it upon itself when they
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  Speaker 3: let him go off freelancing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the extraordinary thing when you are obviously
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  Speaker 2: in television you are your talent is your asset, like
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  Speaker 2: Karl Stefanovic is an asset that is supposedly so valuable
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  Speaker 2: to Channel nine that it's paying him two million dollars
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  Speaker 2: a year just to be there. Now again, it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be his last year. Everybody knew that, but still
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  Speaker 2: that is how much they apparently valued him at for
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  Speaker 2: their last year. And so the idea again that you
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  Speaker 2: would just let him go and do whatever he wanted,
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  Speaker 2: would it almost be like, you know, it would almost
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  Speaker 2: be like buying a Porsche and then just leaving it
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  Speaker 2: unlocked in the middle of the most crime written part
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  Speaker 2: of the city and just leaving the keys, and the
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  Speaker 2: leaving the keys in the ignition they're just letting him
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  Speaker 2: go off and do whatever he wanted with seemingly no
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  Speaker 2: assurances from car And again he's played an absolute blinder
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  Speaker 2: and it's amazing that I've walked into it, no assurances,
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  Speaker 2: no editorial oversight, you know, did nine Evans have to say, oh, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: but can we just vet the guest list on this blog?
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  Speaker 2: And because it's clearly absurd, you know, he's not you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's not Batman and Bruce Wayne. He can't sort of
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  Speaker 2: go and do one thing on his podcast and then
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  Speaker 2: come and do the Today Show on nine and pretend
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  Speaker 2: that he's a completely different person. And that there's no
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  Speaker 2: kind of link between the two cars, and so I
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  Speaker 2: don't understand how you would have what is effectively, if
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  Speaker 2: I had two million bucks or something that was worth
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  Speaker 2: two million bucks, I would guard it with my life.
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  Speaker 2: I would protect it, and I would make sure that
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  Speaker 2: it didn't run away from me or that it didn't
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  Speaker 2: suddenly turn worthless in my hands. And it just seems
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  Speaker 2: at nine but absolutely no guardrails around this whatsoever. And
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  Speaker 2: so why wouldn't Carl just I mean, if they're going
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  Speaker 2: to get rid of him, you know, so obviously it
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  Speaker 2: sucks to know that you're not actually going to be
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  Speaker 2: carrying on in your job where you're at, so your
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  Speaker 2: heart's not going to be in it. You're not going
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  Speaker 2: to feel any loyalty to nine if he knows that
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  Speaker 2: the acts is coming down at the end of the
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  Speaker 2: year anyway, So why not just trouser the cash? And
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  Speaker 2: if you can trouser the cash without doing the work
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  Speaker 2: that you're obviously putting behind you anyway, because this is
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  Speaker 2: your future and you know that this thing is your past,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so why wouldn't you say, all right, well
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  Speaker 2: pay me out, pay out my contract. And unless he
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  Speaker 2: has breached his contract, they will have to pay out
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  Speaker 2: the remaining one million to the end of the year.
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  Speaker 2: They can't just unless they can find some reason why
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  Speaker 2: what he did was a sackaball offense, which I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't seen the contract obviously, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: if they haven't expressly forbidden him from doing that, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if they're going to say brought the company to disrepute,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if they could argue
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  Speaker 2: that seems.
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  Speaker 4: And it's a free speech It becomes a free speech argument,
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  Speaker 4: doesn't it, because because Carl can say, well, hang on,
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't given Again, we don't know what was in
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  Speaker 4: this contract, but he you know, unless it was specified,
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  Speaker 4: you can't have controversial people on your podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, and this is the point, right, I mean, to
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  Speaker 1: what degree do you have the freedom to be able
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  Speaker 1: to do which you want? And you know, the many
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  Speaker 1: facets of the media you like to talk about. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we are here to have the difficult conversations and that's
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  Speaker 1: why you come to us, etc. And so it's a
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  Speaker 1: difficult tightrope for a company like nine to walk because
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  Speaker 1: on one hand, you know, perhaps you don't want to
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  Speaker 1: get caught up in the potential controversy that comes from
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  Speaker 1: some of the guests on the podcast, and you particularly
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  Speaker 1: don't want to deal with the commercial fallout. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that is really the more pertinent point in this
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  Speaker 1: stuff these days, is they just don't want to deal
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  Speaker 1: with the potential loss of advertisers and stuff, and so
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  Speaker 1: it's easier not to touch what you might call difficult
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  Speaker 1: talent at some networks because they just don't want to
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  Speaker 1: deal with it. But you know, on one hand, you're saying,
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  Speaker 1: here we are you can get lots of information and
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  Speaker 1: we'll give it to you free and unfettered. But the
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  Speaker 1: same time, oh but not if you go that way.
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  Speaker 1: Not if you go that way. So it's a problem
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  Speaker 1: much for Carl Stiff and over, because I think it
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  Speaker 1: is for nine as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that is the other thing that's right
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  Speaker 2: Carl's podcast. If you look at the numbers, I just
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  Speaker 2: looked at the number two very very early episodes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but it depends on who's on it. So first one
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  Speaker 2: Paul Enhanson, massively successful, the second one with someone who
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  Speaker 2: I've got to say, I can't remember an interesting person,
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  Speaker 2: but not with that Preva and it fell off a
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  Speaker 2: Cliff and so clearly he is, as you know, our
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  Speaker 2: colleague Paul Murray just said, he's chasing the algorithm. He
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  Speaker 2: is trying to go after big personalities that will generate
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  Speaker 2: controversy and also big personality to have huge numbers of
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  Speaker 2: followers that they will then promote his podcast too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and so I worry, you know, And again I'm not
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  Speaker 2: a fan of Tommy Robinson. I think he's a thug.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's completely like the idea that this guy
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  Speaker 2: is some kind of hero or is a champion of
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  Speaker 2: free speech, or just because he says something that you
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  Speaker 2: agree with. There might be a guy who you know,
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  Speaker 2: killed his wife who votes labor. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: say I vote labor because this guy here, this criminal
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  Speaker 2: does too. And I think people shouldn't be saying the
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  Speaker 2: same thing about Tommy given his background, which does include
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  Speaker 2: a number of serious charges also bankruptcy as well, because
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  Speaker 2: he lost a whole bunch of money gambling anyway, So
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  Speaker 2: he's not a hero, he's not a freedom fighter. But
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  Speaker 2: again maybe that's the point. Maybe if you know, if
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  Speaker 2: Carl thought, well, the only way I've done everything I
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  Speaker 2: can to try to get.
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  Speaker 4: Because he pops off over in the UK on migration.
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  Speaker 4: That that's that is other people a huge in the UK.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody you either like Tommy or you low them and
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  Speaker 4: I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: Why not just listen to a normal, noncrupment voice about
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  Speaker 2: it is.
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  Speaker 4: What this has done is this is huge for his
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  Speaker 4: pot for the podcast. Now for Carl Stefanovic, this is
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  Speaker 4: this has given him a massive pr boost because people
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  Speaker 4: got oh maybe they didn't know what existed, Well now
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  Speaker 4: they do. And I've seen as well in the last
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  Speaker 4: hour Tommy Robinson's tweeted about it himself, gone, Okay, there's reports.
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  Speaker 3: That Carl what does he do next?
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  Speaker 2: Who's the next guest?
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  Speaker 3: But that's a good that is a good one.
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  Speaker 1: But all published in his school exactly right, and Carl
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  Speaker 1: Steffanob is getting plenty of it. Before we move on,
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  Speaker 1: just quickly. His first guest, as we've noted, was Pauline Hanson,
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  Speaker 1: and Miss Hanson had some advice for Karl Stefanovic on
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  Speaker 1: the Bolt Report today.
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  Speaker 5: I think they're bloody stupid to do it, because you know,
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  Speaker 5: when the ratings went down and I didn't nice to
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  Speaker 5: bring back Carl, well, they brought him back and guess
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  Speaker 5: what their ratings went up. So they have no understanding.
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  Speaker 5: They're they're gone so far to the left Channel nine.
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  Speaker 5: They're making a big mistake. Hey, guess what, Carl, I'm
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  Speaker 5: looking for someone in my office. You know, I want
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  Speaker 5: some advisors my office. So Carl, you know, come and
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  Speaker 5: apply for.
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  Speaker 3: A job with me.
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  Speaker 5: We'll have a great time. We'll put them all on
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  Speaker 5: notice and we'll get the country back on track.
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  Speaker 1: Mate, Something tells me that he won't go from a
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  Speaker 1: two million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Two million bucks for advice.
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  Speaker 3: I myself actually, but you know what, good on for
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  Speaker 3: giving it a go. It does certainly pay to advertise.
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  Speaker 4: All right, let's move on now, because this evening we
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  Speaker 4: heard a very stark and grim warning from the asy
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  Speaker 4: O boss, Mark Mike Burgers. He said that he is
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  Speaker 4: gravely concerned earned about quote the temperature and trajectory of
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  Speaker 4: terrorism threats in Australia following the bondai At massacre. Now
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  Speaker 4: he has delivered his annual threat assessment speech. This was
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  Speaker 4: the first since the terror attack in Sydney back in December.
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  Speaker 4: Now he revealed that ASIO has resolved fourteen significant terror
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  Speaker 4: related cases since that attack, but he leveled the majority
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  Speaker 4: of his criticism towards Iran and the threat that Iran poses.
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  Speaker 4: He said that Iran continues to view Australia as a
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  Speaker 4: legitimate target for covertly directed acts of violence, and that
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  Speaker 4: Iran aligned Iranian Aligned group rather orchestrated a wave of
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  Speaker 4: attacks across Europe, mostly targeting Jewish interests, and he said
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  Speaker 4: that the concern is that it would then expand its interests,
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  Speaker 4: including to hear in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: And I just quote what he said.
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  Speaker 4: He said van could lead to assassinations on Australian soil,
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  Speaker 4: which in itself is frightening. But I think it all
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  Speaker 4: went with the tone of his speech, and I did
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  Speaker 4: listen to parts of it. Was really set really from
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  Speaker 4: the very beginning when he said that this speech was
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  Speaker 4: not uplifting, nor was it bedtime reading.
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  Speaker 6: Tonight. I want to explain the terrorism threat in some
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  Speaker 6: detail because I'm gravely concerned by its temperature and trajectory.
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  Speaker 6: Grievances continue, social cohesion is strained, and the likelihood of
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  Speaker 6: violence has increased. Conflict in the Middle East contributes to
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  Speaker 6: these dynamics, fueling frustrations and anger. Those impacts could become
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  Speaker 6: even more profound if there are further economic shocks or shortages.
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  Speaker 4: He also spoke about how hackers had mapped out critical
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  Speaker 4: state infrastructure.
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  Speaker 6: We discovered a nation state hackers had compromised the network
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  Speaker 6: of an Australian critical infrastructure provider. As he assays, the
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  Speaker 6: hackers were preparing for sabotage. They weren't planting digital dynamite
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  Speaker 6: as such, but they were mapping out the network maintaining
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  Speaker 6: access so they could cripple it at a time of
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  Speaker 6: their choosing. Cyber sabotage is an evolving threat and I've
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  Speaker 6: established dedicated teams to counter it.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 4: We already know that Iran was responsible for at least
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  Speaker 4: two attacks on home soil, including the Melbourne Adas Synagogue
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  Speaker 4: and Mike Burgess tonight, confirming that it had been directed
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  Speaker 4: by a former Australian resident living in a Ruq. At
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  Speaker 4: this stage, Australia's terrorism threat remains at probable, but is
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  Speaker 4: of course that's being assessed at all times. Look, I
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  Speaker 4: think that this is a clear warning that we are
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  Speaker 4: at a real critical juncture in this country. We've been
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  Speaker 4: talking about the threat of radical Islam Australia changed in
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  Speaker 4: December of last year. There's no doubt about it, and
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  Speaker 4: now it's being taken more seriously than ever. But we
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  Speaker 4: need to have what I would think of, you know,
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  Speaker 4: uncomfortable conversations. And it does start, in my view, with migration.
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  Speaker 4: It starts with bringing people into these countries whose values
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  Speaker 4: are not aligned with ours and not aligned with the
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  Speaker 4: Western democracy. And I think that if we're going to
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  Speaker 4: be serious, we need to start having conversations about in
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  Speaker 4: my view, about being discriminatory when it comes to our
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  Speaker 4: migration program, because I don't believe that all cultures are
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  Speaker 4: created equal, and we can't just sit back and bring
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  Speaker 4: people in to this country, some who hate us, some
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  Speaker 4: who hate our values, and some who do not want
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  Speaker 4: to abide by living in a Western, civilized democracy. And
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  Speaker 4: I do worry about the future of this country. And
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  Speaker 4: given that Mike Burgers tonight is saying that he's worried
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  Speaker 4: about the temperature and trajectory of terrorism threats or what
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  Speaker 4: are we going to do to prevent something bad from
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  Speaker 4: happening in the future, And.
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  Speaker 1: Effectively what he was saying in that is that it's
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  Speaker 1: worse than probable. So he explained in the speech that
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  Speaker 1: there are you know, the different levels that they set
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  Speaker 1: and the one beyond probable is expected. But in order
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  Speaker 1: to have the level set it expected, they need to
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  Speaker 1: have intelligence that there is basically an imminent terrorist attack,
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  Speaker 1: which they don't have at this time. But he was
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  Speaker 1: more only saying we're somewhere in the middle between probable
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  Speaker 1: and expected, where we've got enough evidence and intelligence that
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  Speaker 1: there's stuff going on. We just can't say with absolute
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  Speaker 1: certainty that we are expecting a terror attack. So it
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  Speaker 1: is effectively worse than probable, which means we are in
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  Speaker 1: a very dangerous position, and it is at the top
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  Speaker 1: of mind at the moment. Of course, we've still got
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  Speaker 1: a Royal commission going on after what happened at Bondai.
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  Speaker 1: It's very easy to say, oh, you know, well that
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  Speaker 1: was six months ago and I'm getting on with my
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  Speaker 1: life now and whatever. But you can't ignore this stuff
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  Speaker 1: and we have to be so aware of it. Of course,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: it's not just in Australia. It's around the world that
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: we're dealing with these problems now. But we must be doing,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: as you say, Danika, everything within our power to prevent
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: this kind of thing from happening in the first place.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: You know, it's a bit like a cancer you know,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: you can excise cancer once you've found it, but prevention
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: is always better than cure, and so we must be
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: doing everything we possibly can to prevent that cancer from
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: growing in the first place.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. I think the interesting thing, I mean,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: he was talking about three sort of different and in
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: many ways kind of separate things. But when he was
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: talking when he's talking about obviously the threat from Iran
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: and the Iranian regime orchestrating things from Afar, that's obviously
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: a deliberate thing. He's not talking about anger and raising
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: the temperature, then that's a state sponsored act of terror
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: or violence or whatever. Again with you know, the foreign
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: state actor who's hacking into Australian cyberware, which is obviously China.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Thanks for watching. You know, he knows, you know, we
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: know that maybe a bit of Russia as well, but
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: why they care? So I think it's China. But you know,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: that is a completely different thing. When he's talking about
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: the raising of the temperature and the temperatures being in
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: flame and anger running high, that is that new kind
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: of Isis style, And this is why they don't have
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: specific intelligence because isis obviouslyange the game when it came
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: to terror Not only do they have their working army
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: in Iraq and Syria, but they also just basically had
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: this huge online broadcast network broadcast machine where they just said,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: anyone who's out there, you know, if you hate Jews,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: or if you hate the West, or if you hate
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah, this is what they're doing
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: over here. And they're defiling your families, and they're defiling Islam,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: and they're doing this and that and that and that
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: and that that, and you need to rise up and
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: you send that to you know, a million people. You
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: are going to hit a crazy who is going to say, yes,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: that's me, I'm going to take us down. It'll be
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: someone whose life is worth nothing. It'll be a loser.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: It'll be someone who's isolated. Assassins and terrorists almost always are.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Their lives are never going well. They're people who have
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: no real values, and this suddenly fills a hole and
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: it gives them a purpose that their lives never had before,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: because quite frankly, they were good for nothing, drop kicks,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: and they're probably isolated themselves from people around them because
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: they're no good at relationships. So they're lonely, they're right
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: for exploitation. They're open to a radical ideology. And the
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: reason I'm hammering this point is because when you have
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: aspects of the radical left who are legitimizing that anger
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: and legitimizing those grievances, and I think my bird is
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: actually genuinely used specifically use the word grievance. That makes
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: that person seem less crazy, that makes that person think
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: that they are less crazy, that makes that person think
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: like or And again, you've got to get in the
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: head of these idiots and these monsters. They don't think
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: they're terrorists. They think they are on the right side
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: of history. They think they are striking a blow, whether
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: it's the guy who kills everyone in the mosque in
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: New Zealand or whether it's the guy who takes out
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: a bunch of Jews and bond die. They think they
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: are making the world a better place, that they are
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: fighting the good fight. And if you have a rally
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: every single week in the country that you're in where
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: you've got a whole bunch of useful it's saying Israel's
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: committing genocide, Israel's an apartheid state. We have to free,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: free palaside from the rim to the sea. And that
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: matches up with what you're seeing online from other sources
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: that are saying, well, you're just going to chant or
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: are you're going to do something about it? That is
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: when you've got that spark. That is the difference between
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: just an angry radical activist and a fully radicalized terrorist.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: And that is what Mike is talking about, and that
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: is why there is no intelligence because they don't know
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: when that spark is going to hit. They don't know
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: when in what basement or bedroom someone's just going to say, yes,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: you know what, I am going to do it. Today's
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the day. And that is the problem, and that is
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, the guys who did bond I
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: were surprisingly you know, surprisingly well prepared, as incompetent and
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: as useless as they were, they were still able to
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: inflict a huge amount of damage. And that's two people
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: from within the same family who you know, the other
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: terrorists like get out of here, your amateurs, and they
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: still were able to do it.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: And he also talked about the fact that, you know,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: one of the problems they face now is that, particularly
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: with this anti Semitism problem, is that there's a conglomeration
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: of all these different groups who actually believe in very
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: different things, but fundamentally come back to the same point,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: and they're all rigging each other on and moving towards
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: the same goal, which makes it so difficult for them
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: to keep on top of. While we're talking about issues
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: of extremism, try this one on for size over in
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the UK. Now, we know the police in the UK
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: have had a few problems lately, of course, after the
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: case of Henry Novak, the young man who was stabbed
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: and killed by a guy who then accused him of
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: racial discrimination, and the police took that guy's word over
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Henry's when he said that he had been stabbed and
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: he couldn't breathe. Of course he'll remember they said to him,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think you have mate, and then he died
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: in front of them. Well, how about this one. It
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: turns out that the police in Bradfield in West Yorkshire.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: This goes back a few years now, users reporting that
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: West Yorkshire Police officers helped present certificates to two mms
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: at a Bradford Council organized event in twenty twenty three,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: despite both religious leaders facing previous accusations of extremist conduct,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: and you might be wondering what are the coppers doing
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: over in the UK. You know, they're not believing people
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: who say they've been stabbed. They take the word of
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: someone who says they've been racially abused instead. Now they're
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: handing out awards to m m's who've been accused of extremism.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Is this the UK or not? Gb newsgirls on to
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: report that both mms who received the awards were connected
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: to Bradford's Al Hikam Institute. Muhammad Adil Shahzad rose to
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: national attention as a principal organizer behind the twenty twenty
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: one protests targeting a Battley Grammar School teacher who had
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: shown a cartoon depicting the prophet Muhammad in class. That teacher,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: they say, continues to live in hiding after receiving death
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: threats and being accused of blasphemy by Muslim campaigners, and
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: that the second Imam, who is Mohammed Asim Hussein. He
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: encouraged followers at the Al Hikrme Mosque to attend a
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: twenty to fifteen event supporting Aifurt Sudiki, an Al Qaeda
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: terrorist who's currently serving eighty six years in an American
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: prison for attempting to kill soldiers with a machine gun.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And these are the people that the West Yorkshire Police
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: were handing out awards to a Bradford Council run event.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, if the coppers can't even keep on top
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: of the fact that these don't know whether they knew
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: or not. But seriously, what is going on in England?
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: What the heck is going on, especially at a time
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: when faith and trust in policing in the UK is
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: at an all time low. They call it two tier policing.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: After of course the rapegag saga. You mentioned Henry Noak,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: that was another issue, and now this and also read
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: here it came after the same force, so this is
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: still West Yorkshire dismissed the chairman of a policing security panel.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: Why for raising concerns about radical extremism would you believe
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: for raising concerns this woman she led the Bradford Hate
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Crime Scrutiny panel. She was removed after West Yorkshire Police
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: after accusing the police rather of attempting to appease Muslims
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: rather than prioritizing the Jewish community. Following that attack on
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: October's a synagogue back in October in Manchester. I mean
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: this is extraordinary. You know, we just spoke just then
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: about the threat of radical Islam and let's be honest,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: the UK has got its fair share of problems over there,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: like many countries in the West certainly do.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: And if the police force are not prepared.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: To listen to the concerns of somebody who runs a
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: security panel about said concerns about extremism or gee, they've
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: got bigger problems than what we expect. But to hand
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: out certificates to two imams who have been accused of such,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: do some vetwork, think about who handing security? Did nobody
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: even do any sort of security clio.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Research?
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just sort of box sticking. They
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: would think this is part of their community outreach obligations
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: and that you know, this is the way we show
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: that hey, guys, not scary. We're your friendly neighborhood police.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Just like you.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Again, this is I think the UK has a real
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: problem and a real cultural problem with the cops. The
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: understatement of the century. And again, you know, you think
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: you're you're making it a more tolerant and progressive community.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Now you're not. You're just making Nigel Farage the next
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Prime minister, and that's what's going to happen, and he
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: will tear up all these things and you'll be back
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: to before, worse than before these things were in the
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: first place. So again, this is this is what the
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: progressive left is always its own worst enemy. It keeps
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: trying to go too far. It goes beyond the point
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: of rationality, beyond the point of where mainstream people are,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: and then you get a massive backlash. And that's exactly
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: what we're seeing in the UK. It is the most
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: obvious thing in the world. And if you know, people
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: like this can't see it, people who design these policies,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: let alone the poor coppers who have to implement them.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: If they can't see that, then just wait for the
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: wait for the revolution, and case you.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Know exactly that's coming, it's coming. If it's not there already.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Well, there's one woman who's been very firm on the
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: threat of radical extremism from day one, and that is
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Pauline Hanson. Now a lot has been said since she
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: addressed the National Press Club last week about the term monoculturalism,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: what it means and what it would mean for Australia.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: What does monoculturalism look like? And you've got the Liberal
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Party having a debate over over that word. And listening
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: to Pauline Hanson today, I've got to say I think
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: she put it in a very good way. She summarized
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: exactly what she feels.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: It means accepting a strands means accepting our culture and
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: the values, customs and traditions which define us a fair
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: go tolerance, secular democracy, freedom of speech and religion, and
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: the rule of law. It means accepting our irreverance and alaricanism.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: Bring back Paul Hogan and Norman Gunstan.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Hey, how that bring back Paul Hogan and Norman as
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: he used to He's not holding a knife anymore.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Let's let's put it.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Put it that way.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: But you know, if you had Norman Gunsten on television
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: these forget it just just we just wouldn't because the
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: lefto would go into absolute meltdown.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Let's be honest.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: But I love that she used the Paul Hogan and
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Norman Gunstan analogy because you know, when you think about
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: the culture of Australia, you think about dinky dye Aussies,
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: that Alarican behavior, the good old fashioned fun when the
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Aussies used to celebrate Australia Day and we didn't take
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: ourselves too seriously, and I think that that is what
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: is such an important part of Australian culture. But apparently
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: we have to take ourselves too seriously these days, otherwise are.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Left will cancel you and come after you.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: But Pauline Hanson has also spoken about the backlash to
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: those comments, where people are saying, well, hang on a second,
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: how can you support the socarus who are ethnically diverse,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: that a lot of people who've come from overseas, And
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: this is what she had to say in response.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: People from different backgrounds and cultures and nations all wearing
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: green and gold and representing one nation under one flag
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: and succeeding under the same set of rules.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: You know, it's a really simple. It's just so simple.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: It's like one plus one. Monoculturalism, in my view, is
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: that easy. It is about accepting our values and it's
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: about being that Australian spirit. Now you're coming from different countries,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: of course you do, and you still have your own traditions.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: That's not what she's saying. She's not saying change your traditions,
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: but she's saying, come here and accept our way of life.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Otherwise don't come at all. And I am so conf used.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Why.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Well, the Left are up in arms about it, but
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: even the Liberal Party is completely split down the middle
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: on this. This is what we would want out of
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: our culture, is it not?
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: I think firstly monoculture sounds pretty boring. But secondly, I
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: think obviously everyone who comes here needs to abide by
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Australian law, that is an absolute fundament. They should also
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: share Australian values that. I don't know how you can,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: as Elizabeth the First said, don't plan to make windows
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: into men's souls. I don't know how you can look
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: into someone's sol and say, well, do you really share it?
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: But they certainly have to behave as though they share
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: our values. But aside from that, I don't know if
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: that's culture. I mean, I've got no problem whatsoever with
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: having a little Italy or a China town or you know,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Harris Park in Sydney with it.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's what she was saying.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: They're different cultures, that's more than one culture.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think she's saying that.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: I think it's just saying as long as you accept
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: our Australian way of life, and you say Australia first,
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: like I'm not. I think literally Italy is great, little
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: Greek think all these sections Vietnamese.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Anyway, that's certainly not how a lot of people are interpreted.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: They're saying we should all be the same. And again
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't really know what she means, and
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: this is why I think she's sort of struggling to
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: actually explain it even now. The other thing though, with
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: the soccer ruse, if One Nation had been in government,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: we would have no necessary are and conda. He would
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: not have been accepted into the country because he was
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: in a un HCR run refugee camp, and One Nation's
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: official immigration policy, as per its own website, is that
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: we do not cooperate with the UNHCR on refugee so
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: he simply wouldn't be there. So we'd be one goal down,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: so one of our two goals, so we would have
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: so far which would never have been squad. But he's
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: our star player. Everyone's saying it's the best thing since
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: slice bread. He wouldn't be here, So again that is
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: just one.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Of such a weak argument to round seriously that you know, jeez,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: we might not have won a game of soccer and
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: we had.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: If she's saying the soccer rosepresent everything that one nation supports,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: well that's just not true. That under one nation government
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: their star player would have been denied, so that have.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: One less player potentially. But what she is saying is
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: that the symbolism of all these people who come from
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: different ethnic backgrounds playing together under one flag, one country,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: with one national anthem, that is what she's saying. It's
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: that you can come from many different places and you'll
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: never be able to remove the fact that you've come
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: from another place, and you'll never be able to remove
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: elements of the culture of the place that you have
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: come from. But when you come to Australia, we all submit.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: To that multiculturalism and no, no, what we've got.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: The problem though, is that the multiculturalism that we see
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: in some elements of Australia, particularly suburban Sydney, is not
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: one that is basically multiculturalism at all. It's that the
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: multies have all separated, and so you have one culture
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: over there, and one culture over there, and one race
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: over there, and then we call that multicultural.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: That's China Town.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: It's a bit different. I mean, do you no? No? Okay,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: so Chinatown in the city, which is a place where
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of people from you know, all walks of
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: life go to have a Chinese meal, or are you
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: talking about Hurstville which has a large Chinese population. Both
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: because places exactly. But you go to places that have
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: large different ethnic groups and it feels like they have
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: removed themselves from the rest of Australian society and that
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: will it does bother because we should be one Australia.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Why do you come from another country and then set
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: up shop and say, well, actually I want to make
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: this country like the country I came from.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: It doesn't make your life any worse off. Are you
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: missing out on anything?
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, I think it detracts from the fabric of the country.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: You can't truly integrate someone into the country if they
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: come out here and then are basically removed from the rest.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Of how get so I don't think they emerge from this.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know it's good for them, and nor do
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I think it's good for us. No, because it then
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: removes our ability to connect with people of different back.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: And I don't and I don't think it's a case
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: of losing your traditions.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: You know, it's not a case of coming here and losing.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: So you allocate where people should be interspersed in the community. No,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I just think that set up it like, what does
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: it look like?
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: What is it like?
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: They've set up their own little tribes, almost like their
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: own little.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: So what do you want to do about it?
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Well, I just think that we need to if these
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: I don't have a problem with people coming into this country, right,
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: that's not the point. I don't have a problem with
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: people coming into this country and sticking to their own traditions, right.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: But I do have an issue if they're not putting
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: our country first and they're not trying their best to
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: adapt to our culture and that that's but you just.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Said you're happy for them to keep their own traditions.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: They're keeping their own.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Trides, Okay, Well, do they want to learn how to
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: speak English? For example?
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: They going to try and let's learn a couple of words.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: Let's learn some good English.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: What can I do?
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: Am I proud of the Australian flag? Do I understand?
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: You know the history of Australia and how we adapt
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: to each other? What about Australia day. Why is that important?
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: But I think people need to know why these days
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: are important to us.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the people I speak to and Harris Parks
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: speak very good English. And often it's the older generation
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: that the parents who don't speak very much English. Sometimes
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: they've been brought out by family in them. But the
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: younger people almost always they speak absolutely no perfect English.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Well, and no one's saying that all morons are bad,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: it's just that, I think to some.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: People say why can't Why can't they think we want
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: them to? You know, yes, they should be able to
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: keep their own cultures and traditions, but they should have
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: our culture.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Well, of course, what's wrong with that? You can bring
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: elements benefit.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: That is multiculturalism. That is saying you can have both. Yes,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: that's not monoculturalism. Monoculturalism is by definition one culture.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, why don't all of these not form one culture?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Is the point? There are elements of other cultures that
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: we don't want in this country. And I think it's
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: perfectly fine to say that, just very quickly before we
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: get to the break that while we're talking about matters
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: of culture in South Australia and Adelaide, there is the
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Lafeva Peninsula, which at the top of it, or up
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: towards the top is out of harbor, and then on
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the way is Port Adelaide, which of course has always
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: been one of the was the major working port in
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Adelaide once upon a time, and the Leafever Peninsula is
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: named after Sir John George Shaw Lafeva, who was one
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: of the South Australian colonial commissioners. But now Lafever High
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: School says that they're thinking of changing their name because
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: when they say it's Lafeva High School, apparently no one
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: knows where it is. That's the biggest problem, according to
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: the principal, Kirie Demasi, who says, we have a very
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: deep history as Lafeva High School, but we had heard
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: people don't know where Lafever High School is and so
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: now they're thinking of changing the name apparently something yeah,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: well apparently just something that connects them to the shipbuilding
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: yards that they're going to have for the submarine.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Project Nuclear High School.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, so what you know, They say, oh, it's
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: because people don't know where it is, but then you
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: would be fundamentally throwing away an element of South Australian history.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: It's named le fever after someone who was involved in
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: the establishment of South Australia. So we do away with
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: all of these touch points that connect just to our history,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and then we end up forgetting that we have any
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: history in the first.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, you know, here we are all these
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: years later because this school was established in nineteen ten.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: I was reading and I mean, this is a piece
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: of history. It is a piece of history. It is
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: deep rooted history. And yet you've got these people who
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: come in twenty twenty six, had the stroke of a pen,
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: who just want to erase that history. Why because some
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: people don't know where le fever is. For goodness sake,
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: who cares? It is a part of the history. And
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: all you have to do is a quick Google search
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: to actually find out why it is called le fever
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: and you can talk about the history of it, as
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: you mentioned, so John Sure founder Founding Fathers of South Australia.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: So you know, if Dolla takes a bit of research.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: It's very, very, very difficult for high schools when you know,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: they don't get named after the suburb d and because
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: just simply no one can find them, and they just
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: simply wither and die. That's why no one's been able
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: to find Knox Grammar exactly. Presbyterian College, Ignatius.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, next thing, Prince Alfred College.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: But which river? Which don't we ever find it?
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: No one knows it's in Kent down All right, after
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: the break, we'll get into the papers. Apparently a big
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: barney between two liberal MPs. That's the front of the
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Herald Son. More on that than other stories in a moment.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: All right, Let's get stuck into tomorrow's news tonight, starting
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: with The Australian, where it says, of course the business
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: was talking about earlier with marke Burgess. The headline there
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: around assassin called on our soil, But an interesting story
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: underneath that means test and save twenty one billion dollars.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: The Policy Institute Australia, for which Anthony Albernizi's former Department
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: secretary Glenn Davis serves, says the government could cut twenty
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: one billion dollars in welfare through better means testing of
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: key programs, including rejecting the PM's universal childcare subsidy in
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: favor and option of an option that reduces wealthier households benefits.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: The biggest savings from the Institute's redesign would come through
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: stricter application of the assets test in the age pension
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: and age care programs, with savings of around sixteen billion dollars,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: while savings from parental leave pay and the childcare subsidy
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: are more modest at around five billion dollars, reflecting their
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: smaller scale. The Institute doesn't recommend how the savings are used,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: but provided several options, including tax cuts. Look, I've got
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: no issue with the idea that childcare subsidies should be
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: means tests, and I think it's frank ridiculous that you know,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: people families on incomes of five hundred grand a year
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: can be claiming childcare subsidies. But I would say, once
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: you start talking about fiddling with the aged pension hiding
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: to nothing.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think things should be means tested. But
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: again I think it's all about politics rather than policy,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: and I think troublingly, and again this is something I'm
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: trying to address with every five of my body. But
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: it's that shift among the left of the Labor Party
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: in particularly being more representative of the white collar middle
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: class than the blue collar working class. And so if
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: you reduce the amount of money people have to earn
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: before they get any benefits. You're not actually delivering for
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: your newest cohort of voters, which I would say, isn't
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: it a reason to go back to actually looking after
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: poor people and not you know, middle class bureaucrats. But
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: that's just me.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: It's like the labor part.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: What does wage this war on retirees on pensioners at
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: the moment?
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll see how that turns out to another story,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: interesting one, this one Geelong Grammar in human rights dispute.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Parents at one of Australia's most prestigious alpine boarding schools
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: have accused the school of breaching human rights conventions after
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: children were forced to sleep in isolated tents as punishment
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: for sneaking out in the middle of the night. Geelong
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Grammar's school's timber Top is facing a parent revolt after
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: the fourteen and fifteen year olds, the revolting parents of
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: whom were reprimanded for the late nights stunt, with some
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: forced to sleep in tents from six point thirty pm
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: for five nights and spend time alone after morning tea,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: lunch and the final school bell. The school, which the
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: King attended in nineteen sixty six, and he speaks very
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: fondly of that time. Has defended its actions and accused
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: the parents of covering up their children by not reporting
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: the incident when they first became aware of it. But
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: apparently the parents they caused psychological risk. Now, apparently this
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: whole thing came about because the only way they're going
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: to communicate it at timber Toop is by mail, And
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: so there was letters sent around and they organized with
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: a sister of someone who was there and her boyfriend
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: that a whole bunch of these girls would sneak out
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: and then the boyfriend would sort of drive them back
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: after they'd been to the pub where apparently they'd been
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: smoking and vaping and drinking and all this stuff, and
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: they got rumbled on the way back in. So the
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: school said, well, we're going to make you sleep separately
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: intense for a week. What abusive human rights?
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: That's not abusive. I think that's just you know what,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: go roughen up.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Over privileged children have more rights than the rest.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: Of King Charles go to. That was the one that
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: he went to as well, So that's sort of caliber.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: But come on, I mean, it's not even right.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: The pub run in the middle of the night.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I'd imagine sitting your kid to timbertop and the idea
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: of which is that they're out in the elements and
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: they're away, did you top them up? And then the
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: parents are saying, but you made little cry Nancy will
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: talk about girls in this sad little Nancy, you made
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: a stain a tent.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Get over laesus. It's just ridiculous.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: Let's take a look at the herald Son Now exclusive
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Liberal MP denies police complaint made by female MP a
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: physical assaultant did not live the liber salt probe. A
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: Victorian female Liberal MP has made a complaint to police
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: that she was assaulted by a male Liberal MP at
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: a community dinner. The move has prompted crisis discussions between
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: the party's senior leaders.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: So stay tuned. We'll fall out on that one.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Victorian Liberal party.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: It just gets better and better.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I really really, just you know, keep on going under
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: the Cans post. Now he did flag debate. This is
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: a great one. Burning questions about symbolic protest. You see
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: what they did there. Can's regional council has sided with
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: a bill that could send flag burners to jail for
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: six months. I don't know the Council has the capacity
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: to send people to jail, but what would I know?
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: The move is one cuitt inside the chamber have labeled
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: as populous politics. Councilors were divided on the issue of
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: whether or not to add their support to a bill
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: introduced to the Queensland Parliament by the Cater Australia Party
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: earlier this year. Councilor's question whether the Council should be
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: involving itself in the issue at all see by previous statement.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: With five councilors four and five against. Mayor, Amy Eden
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: ultimately used a casting vote to get the council support
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: for the bill over the line. I'm sure that will
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: be the final straw that will deliver the Cater Australia
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: parties dreams in the unicameral Queensland State Legislature say it's.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Nice for to see a council actually standing up for
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Australia for once.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Well maybe, but I don't think it's any of their business.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: It's like because I'm going to be completely consistent in
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: my view on councils, and that is that they should
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: keep their noses out of international, federal and state politics.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Deal with the problems that are in front of you
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: as a council. Why is a council saying it does
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: or does not support a state legislation or bills that
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with it. So like the
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: council will be able to lock people up as you say.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Joe, I don't know why they've said that they to
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: go to jail.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: What the state mechanic because it's a state what does
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: the council.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: The council's lending its support, But what difference is that.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Who's like when the Greens Council do motions, you know,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: condemning Israel or condemning a submarine.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Who gives a right leave the state government to do
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: that stuff? What do you do? You reckon? They're going
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: to be sitting there voting on it in Parliament going,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: oh Jesus, you know what the council, the council can well,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: so they said on the front of the Advertiser tomorrow.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Bird flu victim found that Port Elliott starts a national crisis.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Giant pestra all more than one hundred and twenty million
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: birds in South of Stralia's poultry industry are at risk
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: of annihilation after the first case of the deadly H
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: five bird flu was detected in the state and a
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Southern Giant petrol at Port Elliott and Petty Malanowska spoke
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: about that to I think we also had a confirmed
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: case in in w WA today as well. So get
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: your eggs now, people.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, good, good point, And let's quickly look at the
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: Gold Coast bulletin Homeless Catch twenty two are relentless game
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: of cat and mouses playing out across the parks, dunes
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: and main roads of the Gold Coast.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: As the housing crisis deepened.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Southport's rough sleepers said they were caught in a bureaucratic
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: trap or ordered to move by authorities, but given nowhere
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: legal to go.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Michael Wayne, what are a fixture on Southport streets for
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: fifteen years? And others?
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: So that they camped in groups for survival, shielding vulnerable,
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: older women and sick individuals from late night violence, but
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: their efforts to find safety in numbers were routinely disrupted
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: by law enforcements straight as sweeps.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's a kind of a catch twenty
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: two with this one, isn't it?
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Because that there are homeless shelters available, and I think
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: that you know, the Salvos do such a wonderful job
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: in every part of the state. But we don't want
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: to see homeless people on the roads.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: That is the reality. You just don't.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: But it is a it's a hatch twenty two and
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: you've got to be willing if you're offered help to
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: take that take up the offer.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Well, and often they don't want their help because the
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: places they put them are actually worse than them living
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: on the street. After the break, If you're going to
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: commit a crime, may I offer you a little bit
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: of advice don't leave any crumbs behind to let people
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: know that you were the one who did it. More
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: on that suit. Hey, before we get back into things,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: I just want to quickly mention, of course, the death
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: of Tina McQueen today, who was someone that all of
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: us here HA had a bit to do with. So
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: it was exceedingly sad news to hear of her sudden
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: death and our thoughts go out to her family. But
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: in the meantime, it's time to get down to business
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: with one of our favorite segments, Don't Love the Day,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: and today's entry is a woman on the Sunshine Coast.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: So apparently over the weekend decided she would hold a
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: party on the beach, and people woke up on the
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: weekend went for a walk along the beach and they
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: found wine bottles and beer cans and boxes and empty
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: soft drink cans. They also found scraps of food from
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: a popular Mexican chain, and in amongst those scraps they
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: found a receipt and written on that receipt was the
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: woman's name, mama. So someone took a photo of it
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: and put it up on social media, and see it.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: If this is you, you are and half with good.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: If you're going to be that much of a dope,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: well I suppose you're too dopey to realize. But like
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: how dumdy you get.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: But you just don't do that. You don't do that.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: You don't need to like that. So no, I'm glad
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: that this individual was named in shame.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: And I hope that this has found their way back
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: to them and they go and clean up their own mess.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Also, what's the point of giving you a receipt if
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: you don't keep it? I liked just say, you know,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: obviously not going to claim it on tacks. I mean
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: the fiscal irresponsibility of.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Bone, that's very true.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: All right, we'll have a look at this shocking moment
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: when a contractor at the Royal Australian Mint he was
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: dealing with a three ton coin press when it started
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: to wobble and lost control, and have a look at.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: This near miss.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: Very very lucky he got out of the way there,
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: and now they're doing one million dollars worth of safety upgrades.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: To make sure that never happens again.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Well, Terriffy, I guess it wasn't the change he was
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: looking for anyway. Thank god he's all right, because I mean,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I guess if you are going to go maybe under
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: a pile of money anyway. Just to I sent everyone
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: off into the night with a feel good expression. Here's
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: two Indonesian monkeys drinking bier.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: H Oh, that's brilliant.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: That's myself at a young age. He still is.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Look if you were a monkey and you were in
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: an enclosure, if someone handed your beer, I think you'd
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: be bloody landed, it wouldn't you.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd break out of the enclosure to get the beer.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, give your local monkey a beer. Thanks for joining
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: us tonight. Up next the reader banner, he shad good night,