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#1903 Inflammaging - Dr. Jeff Gross · The You Project

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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to the You Project. We're just in
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Speaker 1: the middle of some mayhem and ridiculous over here at
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Speaker 1: typ Central Tiffany and doctor Jeffer probably, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: be honest, not a great combination. They get a little
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Speaker 1: bit ahead of themselves. Tip's about to get a free consult.
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Speaker 1: I was somehow talking about my left testicle and that
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Speaker 1: was all before the good stuff is about to start.
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Speaker 1: So good morning, Tif.
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Speaker 2: Good morning, good morning, all right, I'm good.
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Speaker 3: Hello Jeff Hello, Hello, good morning to you, and good
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Speaker 3: afternoon from Las Vegas.
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Speaker 1: Oh bloody Las Vegas. Have you been to Las Vegas? Tip? No, No,
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Speaker 1: It's the city that never sleeps, dude. I've been there
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Speaker 1: a couple of times. It's it's a lot, it's sensory overload.
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Speaker 1: It's it's a lot, but it's it's cool. I would
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Speaker 1: not want to live there, which is not to say
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Speaker 1: it's not amazing, but I'd have ADHD and all the
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Speaker 1: things if I live there. It's busy. How's your Let's
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Speaker 1: dive right in, because you know we're very open here
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Speaker 1: at the U Project. How's your erry menopausal body going, Tip?
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Speaker 2: What bloody chaos hearts?
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Speaker 3: I've had enough of it.
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Speaker 2: I've got three and a half hours sleep the night
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Speaker 2: before last for no reason. I've got almost ten last night.
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Speaker 2: I'm getting I'm getting pains, which I haven't had since
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Speaker 2: I was an adolescent child. I'm tired, I'm demotivated. It's
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Speaker 2: utter bullshit.
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Speaker 1: And do you want to punch someone in the face?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but don't have the bloody energy that I used to,
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Speaker 2: So I'm not even getting to punch people in the
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Speaker 2: face like I normally do.
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Speaker 1: Well, Doctor Jeff, no pressure, but if you could fix
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Speaker 1: all of that in the next forty minutes, that'd be great,
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Speaker 1: easy peasy. When I start feeling shit, Tiff, I feel
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Speaker 1: like I'm consulting you now. Just get comfortable. Just line
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Speaker 1: the couch. When when did all of this mayhem start?
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Speaker 2: So back when I reckon it was a couple of
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Speaker 2: years ago, two and a half to two years ago.
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Speaker 2: It was back remember when I was going to start
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Speaker 2: fighting again and I and I apped my training and
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Speaker 2: then I just crashed and then I couldn't recover, and
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Speaker 2: then so it kind of started there. And then I
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Speaker 2: started asking a question, but I was like, oh, is
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Speaker 2: this just burnout? Is this just training? Is this? And
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Speaker 2: then I just feel like two years have passed and
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Speaker 2: I've tried all of the things that I'm in a
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Speaker 2: same but maybe a even more declining state of like okay,
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Speaker 2: a less and less is working now?
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Speaker 1: Wow yeah wow Wow. Over to you, Doc. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if you could come up with some kind of magic,
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Speaker 1: that would be great, no pressure, but you know.
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Speaker 3: The magic exist. It's called bioidentical hormone optimization, where both
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Speaker 3: for men and women. Of course, with women it's more precipitous,
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Speaker 3: it's a rapid decline, whereas men we have more gradual
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Speaker 3: decline in our hormones. And it works like this as
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Speaker 3: you age. It was always thought that your hormones tend
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Speaker 3: to decline in men testosterone and women estrogen, progesterone and testosterone. However,
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Speaker 3: what if the opposite were true? What if you age
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Speaker 3: because your hormones decline, wouldn't that encourage you then to
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Speaker 3: not let them decline or replace them artificially with bioidentical
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Speaker 3: And I keep saying bioidentical, so it's clear I don't
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Speaker 3: mean synthetic derivatives of horse urine aka premarin. So for
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Speaker 3: both men and women, the longer you preserve a youthful profile,
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Speaker 3: of hormones, the longer you will live. Women who have
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Speaker 3: later pregnancies and later cycles live longer. This is well known.
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Speaker 3: So if you want to live long and preserve your
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Speaker 3: bone density and not want to punch everybody and sleep
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Speaker 3: and not have dry eyes and dry other parts and
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Speaker 3: not lose your hair, you have to get ahead of
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Speaker 3: this before it happens. In your case, you're playing a
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Speaker 3: little bit of catch up. Tip. But that's okay, we
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Speaker 3: got you right, and you need you probably need a
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Speaker 3: little estrogen, a little nighttime progesterone. You'll sleep like a
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Speaker 3: baby again. You'll have the motivation, which is probably some
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Speaker 3: low testosterone you need replaced, and all this. You check
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Speaker 3: some blood tests. It's easy to do and I don't
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Speaker 3: know how rarely available it is where you are, but
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Speaker 3: it is a growing industry here in the US.
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Speaker 1: Wow, have you had any blood tests done? Tip?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have just started about two weeks ago on
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Speaker 2: estrogen gel. I don't know if it's bioidentical. I need
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Speaker 2: to check out. That's not a question. I'd right, and
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Speaker 2: progesterone tablets, so I'm just waiting. Apparently they'll take anything
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Speaker 2: up to three months to really start to kick in
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Speaker 2: and feel some effects.
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Speaker 3: That's fair.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.
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Speaker 3: Okay, good, you're on the right path.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I have a friend a couple of years
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Speaker 2: older than me, and she's been on this path for
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Speaker 2: a while and she has also just started taking testosterone
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Speaker 2: as well, and she said that has worked wonders for her.
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Speaker 1: It's really a thing women like women starting to take
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Speaker 1: like a little bit of testosterone. Generally it's cream, right, doc.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of the low dose application. It can
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Speaker 3: be injectable, but to help maintain muscle mass and other things,
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Speaker 3: women have testosterone in them normally, there is a normal
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Speaker 3: amount for women. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, well we will. We'll be cheering you on
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Speaker 1: you and your hormones on tiff in your endocrine system team. Thanks, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: team tiff Hi Doc, now to you, how are you?
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Speaker 1: What do you mean up to? Has things? Has Las Vegas,
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Speaker 1: has life, has business?
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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for that compound question. I had just
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Speaker 3: got back from the Biohacking conference in Austin, Texas. We
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Speaker 3: were there for better part of a week. It is
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Speaker 3: a forty three hundred people who are longevity enthusiasts looking
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Speaker 3: at the latest biotech supplements. You know, energies, infrared, you know,
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Speaker 3: exercise everything, you would have loved it. It's right up
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Speaker 3: your alley, as they say. And I got to speak.
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Speaker 3: We presented, you know, we had a booth there and
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Speaker 3: it's all about longevity. So I did a little homework
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Speaker 3: before we jumped on here, and I wanted to see
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Speaker 3: if you knew why the Australian life expectancy is longer
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Speaker 3: than the US life expectancy, so you're going to live longer.
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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty one, Australia had an average life expectancy
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Speaker 3: of eighty three point two years. Well, well, the US
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Speaker 3: it's seventy eight point four years, and that was probably
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Speaker 3: based on data prior to twenty twenty one, so it's
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's corrected for COVID yet, but that's.
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Speaker 1: A big gap. That's nearly a five year gap. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean it's definitely you know, I think the idea
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Speaker 1: that the rest of the world has about Australia is
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Speaker 1: not a particularly accurate one. It was once upon a
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Speaker 1: time in that where this outdoorsy, super active, super healthy
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Speaker 1: everyone in Australia surfs and it's we're a very cosmopolitan,
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Speaker 1: urban country. I mean most people in Australia. I don't
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Speaker 1: know what it is, but it's probably eighty five ninety
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Speaker 1: percent of people in Australia live in cities and suburbs
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Speaker 1: like this. Great, Like our land is almost the size
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Speaker 1: of you know, North America, but it's it's you know,
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Speaker 1: we only have twenty six million people versus three hundred
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Speaker 1: and thirty million people, and so people around the world
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Speaker 1: assume that we're just spread out over this big, vast continent,
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Speaker 1: but we really live on the perimeter. And yeah, did
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Speaker 1: my microphone just go off again?
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Speaker 3: Tiff?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 1: And now is it back back?
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Speaker 3: Yep?
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Speaker 1: Sorry everyone, we're having little microphone episodes today. But I
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Speaker 1: don't know, like I feel, we're just as obese, and
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Speaker 1: we've got just as much diabetes and just as many
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Speaker 1: you know, related issues. What's your theory.
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Speaker 3: I think it's it's the pesticides and our food and
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Speaker 3: the other preservatives in our food. On this side of
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Speaker 3: the planet, we've been poisoning ourselves for years. And there's
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Speaker 3: now a move afoot too hopefully correct that take it out,
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Speaker 3: but you know, the damage is done, right, So a
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Speaker 3: lot of people have been poisoned by this.
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Speaker 1: That's I saw this thing yesterday that it was like
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Speaker 1: a hook, you know how they're like, you know, learn
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Speaker 1: why people who live within five hundred meters of a
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Speaker 1: golf course something like, I forget the exact number, but
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Speaker 1: three hundred percent more likely to get Parkinson's disease. And
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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the weirdest fucking correlation ever. So people
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Speaker 1: who live within maybe it was I don't know, five
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Speaker 1: eight hundred meters or yards whatever, and then I looked
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Speaker 1: into it. It's because of all the chemicals they use
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Speaker 1: on the golf course. Yeah, all the pesticides, and because
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Speaker 1: it because it people breathe it in. People who live
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Speaker 1: within a certain proximity of that are getting sicker quicker
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Speaker 1: while they think, oh wow, we live on the back
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Speaker 1: of a golf course, this is beautiful. Yeah. So I
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Speaker 1: actually know someone who lives on a golf course like that.
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Speaker 1: That's a it's like a gated community, and yeah, they're
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Speaker 1: fifty meters from a fucking golf from a fairway.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I think I think that's it's the poisons,
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Speaker 3: the chemicals. I agree with you. I think this is
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Speaker 3: an ongoing issue because if you order if we if
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Speaker 3: you and I both buy the same box of crackers. Yeah, biscuits.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what you calm down there, but you
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Speaker 3: know ours will have twenty five more ingredients than yours will.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's and it's so funny. I mean, we've
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Speaker 1: we've gone down this route before, talking even about cereals
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Speaker 1: and things where you you know, like there's there's very
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Speaker 1: popular cereals in Australia and America. I know where it's.
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Speaker 1: You look at the back and there's in this what
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Speaker 1: seems like this simple breakfast, there's fifty different ingredients and
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Speaker 1: thirty of them you've never heard of. You don't, and
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Speaker 1: it's just it's just you know, preservatives and additives and
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Speaker 1: coloring and chemicals, and yeah, I know that's the I mean,
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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you. I've avoided this for seven years,
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Speaker 1: not seven years, five years, this topic and I don't
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Speaker 1: want to open the door too wide, but what are
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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on the COVID vaccine now that
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Speaker 1: we've got some and it doesn't need to be controversial,
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Speaker 1: but like it just seems there's more and more coming
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Speaker 1: out now and I've, like I said, I've consciously avoided
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Speaker 1: this topic because I think it's just too much hype
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Speaker 1: and hysteria and hate and you know, silos of thought.
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Speaker 1: But do you think it's overall it's a good thing,
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Speaker 1: was a good thing, was a bad thing. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to try to be as objective as possible
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Speaker 3: so people can make their own conclusions. But one from
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Speaker 3: a pandemic perspective, it probably did help diminish the virulence
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Speaker 3: and the spread. From an individual perspective, I think it
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Speaker 3: probably we are now seeing some of the downside, the
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Speaker 3: medical downside to these things. You know, we've got evidence
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Speaker 3: that we've done some harm.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's there's I don't know, And maybe you
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Speaker 1: know when you're like, you watch one thing. I watched
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Speaker 1: one thing a few weeks ago. Now I'm getting all
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Speaker 1: the things and I'm like, maybe I need to watch
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Speaker 1: something from the other side of the fence to get
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Speaker 1: a different perspective. I noticed on your website I was
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Speaker 1: having a look the other day that one of the
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Speaker 1: things that you do is bioage biological age testing. And
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Speaker 1: we've spoken about this a bit, but we're nearly two
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Speaker 1: thousand episodes in, so if you couldn't, you know, simple terms,
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Speaker 1: explain to people what you mean by biological age, and
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Speaker 1: then two tell us about the protocol. How you do it?
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Speaker 3: Yep. So think about a seven year old woman, okay,
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Speaker 3: and you got two seven year old women right next
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Speaker 3: to each other. One is getting ready to go into
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Speaker 3: a nursing home. She's got white curly hair, wrinkles in
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Speaker 3: her face, creaked the old knees, and she's stooped over
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Speaker 3: with a cane. And one is in a workout outfit
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Speaker 3: and she's going to yoga class and she's full of energy,
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Speaker 3: and she looks younger and feels younger. Those two women
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Speaker 3: were born on the same day. Yeah, but one of
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Speaker 3: them is obviously physiologically or biologically younger, and that's that's
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Speaker 3: because her cells have been taken better care of during
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Speaker 3: her lifetime. They've been exposed to less chronic inflammatory degenerative changes,
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Speaker 3: less inflammating, which is a combination of inflammation aging. So
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Speaker 3: so there are blood tests different types that can study
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Speaker 3: that and give you a number. And you can actually
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Speaker 3: take interventions. Get in scheap, eat right, you know, meditate,
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Speaker 3: you know all kinds of things, take supplements, what have
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Speaker 3: you lose weight, and you can lessen or reduce or
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Speaker 3: reverse your aging process at a cellular measure doesn't change
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Speaker 3: your calendar date, but it changes your functional effective biological age.
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Speaker 3: So that's what that's all about.
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Speaker 1: I find it interestingly the thinking around aging two. Like
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it happens in the States, but in Australia
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Speaker 1: there's a term which is age appropriate. Then fill in
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Speaker 1: the blank, age appropriate clothing, age appropriate exercise, age appropriate
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Speaker 1: fucking relationships. Oh you're too old, you're too young for
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Speaker 1: or him, or you know, whatever it is, whatever it is,
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Speaker 1: And it's so funny, Like I think, you know, there's
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Speaker 1: that famous saying we don't grow old because we know.
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Speaker 1: We don't stop playing because we grow old. We grow
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Speaker 1: old because we stop playing, right, And I feel like
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Speaker 1: a lot of the things that we should do when
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Speaker 1: we are older, and by older everyone I guess I
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Speaker 1: mean forty five fifty plus, right, they're the things we
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Speaker 1: should do. We should bounce to basketball, we should throw
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Speaker 1: a ball, we should walk on top of a bloody
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Speaker 1: fence or whatever. Not a high skinn ef fan, but
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, all the things that we
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Speaker 1: did that involve balance and coordination and muscular endurance and
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Speaker 1: aerobic endurance and fun. We seem to put the brakes
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Speaker 1: on that because we shouldn't do that at your age.
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Speaker 1: And I think that you know, how much fun and
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Speaker 1: also how much benefit would be in people kind of
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Speaker 1: rethinking that and engaging in activities which not only physiologically,
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Speaker 1: but emotionally and psychologically have great benefits.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't agree more. I think you're right.
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Speaker 3: It starts with the mindset and then act on that.
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Speaker 3: So execute on those ideas and stay young and active
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Speaker 3: and move, exercise, play, diminish your internal mental psychological stress
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Speaker 3: and you'll you'll you'll do well, and that will keep
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Speaker 3: you younger. I agree.
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Speaker 1: How do you test someone's biological age? I know it's
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Speaker 1: not a perfect science, but what what kind of happens?
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Speaker 3: So there are a bunch of different correlates. One is
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Speaker 3: there are some applications maybe on your phone, you're a smartphone,
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Speaker 3: where you can take a picture of your face and
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Speaker 3: through some various metrics it can it can estimate your
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Speaker 3: biological age. There are other physical tests you can try,
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Speaker 3: where how long can you hang from a pull up bar?
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Speaker 3: What's your grip strength? How long can you stand on
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Speaker 3: one leg? That kind of thing. Those those are one
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Speaker 3: another physiologic measures. Then there are blood tests, and some
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Speaker 3: of the blood tests look at things circulating in your bloodstreams.
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Speaker 3: Some of them look at intracellular markers like methylation of
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Speaker 3: your DNA, which is a slow change in your DNA
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Speaker 3: with age, like the length of your telomeres, which are
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Speaker 3: the sort of the ends of the shoe string of
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Speaker 3: the DNA, and it changes over time. Every time a
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Speaker 3: cell divides, that becomes more afraid and then you want nice,
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Speaker 3: tightly compacted you know, like brain new shoelaces, right, you
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Speaker 3: want you don't want them falling apart at the tips.
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Speaker 1: What's the end? What's the end physiological result of anxiety?
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Speaker 3: Anxiety?
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Speaker 1: What's happening happening in our body?
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Speaker 3: So anxiety increases the stress response, the fight or flight
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Speaker 3: mechan the epidephrin or adrenaline release, the cortisol release, which
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Speaker 3: is the pro inflammatory aspect of the body. The body
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Speaker 3: has yin and yang, so we have we are supposed
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Speaker 3: to be somewhat you know, inflame during the day. You
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Speaker 3: get inflamed when you wake up, when your cortisol you know,
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Speaker 3: surges in the morning, and when you eat. Eating is
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Speaker 3: actually proneflammatory. But we need it and during the night
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Speaker 3: you repair, you're anti inflammatory, or you go from the
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Speaker 3: sympathetic nervous system, the fight or flight side, to the
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Speaker 3: relaxed side, the parasympathetic side, and that ying and yang
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Speaker 3: is part of our circuitian rhythm. And if you don't
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Speaker 3: have enough parasympathetic like when Tiff did not sleep that
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Speaker 3: one night, she's paying for it the next day. And
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Speaker 3: you accumulate that too much anxiety, that too much stress,
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Speaker 3: that too much adrenaline, and too much cortisol, and it
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Speaker 3: has adverse and accelerated degenerative changes at the cellular level
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Speaker 3: and then at the body level. That's why you have
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Speaker 3: two seventy year old women and one looks all beat
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Speaker 3: up and old at seventy, and one could be very youthful,
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Speaker 3: and you might think she's just turning fifty.
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Speaker 1: What do you think? And I mean, these are all
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Speaker 1: just opinions, but maybe you've got some science behind it.
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Speaker 1: And I know both of these things have an impact,
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Speaker 1: But what do you think is more of a factor?
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Speaker 1: Great sleep, consistent good sleep, or being able to consistently
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Speaker 1: be calm, an absence absent of or free of anxiety
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Speaker 1: or stress.
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Speaker 3: That's that's a good one. I think free of all
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Speaker 3: stress is sort of a unicorn situation. So I think
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Speaker 3: I think restorative, really good sleep can somewhat forgive some stress.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they kind of go hand in hand.
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Speaker 1: So there's a famous Australian swimmer over here. Isn't an
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Speaker 1: Olympic goal medallist. You would never have heard of him,
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Speaker 1: but his name's James Magnuson. Anyway, he's been getting a
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Speaker 1: bit of airtime in the last week or two. TIF
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Speaker 1: Have you seen those photos of him?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Fucking hell, Oh my god. Hey everyone, if you want to,
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Speaker 1: if you want to look him up right now, doc
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Speaker 1: go James m a g n U double S N
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Speaker 1: and the Enhanced Games. The Enhanced Games. So he's a
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Speaker 1: well known, well respected Australian swimmer, olympian and he's taking
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Speaker 1: part in the games that are coming up very soon.
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Speaker 1: The doc's putting on his classes and the idea while
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Speaker 1: he's looking there, everyone. The idea, as I understand, of
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Speaker 1: these games is that the athletes can use whatever the
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Speaker 1: fuck they want, right, So they're using steroids, they're using
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Speaker 1: growth hormone, they're using testosterone to see what the human
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Speaker 1: body can do. Have you got those photos of him,
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Speaker 1: like a before and after.
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Speaker 3: Let me put him before and after. It just brings
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Speaker 3: up a bunch of photos. So I don't know what's
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Speaker 3: what's enhanced, and what's not. Here's a before and after.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so he's got some significant improved muscle gain
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Speaker 3: his arms, his chest, his abs. He's probably lost, not
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Speaker 3: that he had any fat to begin with, a little
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Speaker 3: fat too, So yeah, this is a guy that's either
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Speaker 3: taking HGH human growth hormone, or one of the growth
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Speaker 3: hormone releasing peptides which are very popular.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you what are your thoughts on, just
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Speaker 1: out of curiosity, not from a medical clinical professional perspective,
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Speaker 1: but just as a as a blog who's interested in
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Speaker 1: training and bodies and sport and performance. What do you
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Speaker 1: think of the concept of an enhanced Have you heard
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Speaker 1: of the enhanced games?
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Speaker 3: Not not in a real sense. I think I saw
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Speaker 3: a parody of it on a TV show, comedy show.
21:57
Speaker 1: But noctually it's a real thing. Anyone who breaks a
22:03
Speaker 1: world record gets a million US. Yeah, it's a real
22:07
Speaker 1: thing and it's happening. TIF Can you just find out
22:10
Speaker 1: when is it happening this? I feel like it's in
22:13
Speaker 1: a few months. It's pretty close. What are your thoughts
22:15
Speaker 1: of that.
22:15
Speaker 3: Doc, Well, I mean it, it certainly doesn't imbue fairness,
22:24
Speaker 3: right because you you know, so it shouldn't count as
22:28
Speaker 3: a world record. It's like Barry Bonds and American Baseball
22:33
Speaker 3: when he hit the you know, the most home runs.
22:35
Speaker 3: But oh, by the way, he was juice and he
22:37
Speaker 3: was taking something, so you know, not fair right, Yeah,
22:43
Speaker 3: he got it. He has an asterisknicks to his name
22:46
Speaker 3: for that record, so es So I don't know about that,
22:50
Speaker 3: but it's interesting, and I can tell you that a
22:52
Speaker 3: vast majority of my biohacking clients, including myself, do fall
22:59
Speaker 3: under this. Now I'm not seeking a world record. I'm
23:01
Speaker 3: not competing, but I'm enhancing. Yeah, you know, I'm pushing
23:06
Speaker 3: sixty and I need some muscle mass. I need to
23:09
Speaker 3: burn fat better. I need to metabolism up. I need
23:13
Speaker 3: to be at the top of my game because I'm
23:14
Speaker 3: doing top of the game touch stuff with stem cells
23:17
Speaker 3: and regenerate medicine. So I'm doing all that peptides testosterone
23:22
Speaker 3: growth hormone releasing peptides, and you want to you know,
23:27
Speaker 3: this falls under the bioidentical hormone optimization that we were
23:30
Speaker 3: talking about with Tiff. These are ways to keep your
23:34
Speaker 3: cells functioning at a younger behavior. And if your cells
23:38
Speaker 3: are functioning a younger behavior, your organs are. If your
23:41
Speaker 3: organs are your body is, your body is, you are
23:43
Speaker 3: effectively younger.
23:47
Speaker 1: And that's becoming more and more kind of this approach
23:52
Speaker 1: to anti aging. And you know, human optimization and using
23:56
Speaker 1: growth hormone or testosterone. It's like coming close towards normal
24:02
Speaker 1: in the States now.
24:04
Speaker 3: Any enthusiast health and wellness alternative health and wellness enthusiasts,
24:09
Speaker 3: we call them biohacker. It is almost ubiquitous. I mean
24:14
Speaker 3: the people I met at this event we just got
24:17
Speaker 3: back from forty three hundred people, the vast majority either
24:20
Speaker 3: heard of it or on some element of it.
24:22
Speaker 1: And what's the emergent thing in that space, what's new,
24:27
Speaker 1: what's shiny? What are people excited about in the biohacking world.
24:31
Speaker 3: Peptides There are thousands of different small proteins called peptides
24:35
Speaker 3: that have bioactivity, helps stimulate healing, help stimulate metabolism, muscle gains,
24:43
Speaker 3: things like that. And there are some very big players
24:46
Speaker 3: in the space, and you see tons of new businesses
24:50
Speaker 3: popping up where you can buy these peptides. So that's
24:54
Speaker 3: and most of them have to be injected. So people
24:56
Speaker 3: are at home like myself, you know, taking a little
24:59
Speaker 3: meaning injection every morning.
25:02
Speaker 1: And they're just like, like to give people an idea,
25:06
Speaker 1: they're like a little insulin needle, like a subcutaneous jab
25:10
Speaker 1: in a tummy or.
25:11
Speaker 3: Something absolutely correct at thirty one gauge, which is like
25:15
Speaker 3: a little teeny botox needle so you barely feel it.
25:19
Speaker 3: It doesn't go in very far at all, just under
25:22
Speaker 3: the skin, just enough to give you some for the day.
25:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, yeah, well I reckon my
25:28
Speaker 1: ten years behind in Australia. Like with that stuff, it's
25:32
Speaker 1: you can't even you can't even have a conversation about it.
25:36
Speaker 1: How is that stuff? How is it regulated? How is that?
25:43
Speaker 1: I mean that must be an ever evolving kind of
25:46
Speaker 1: landscape of trying to manage all the legal stuff and
25:50
Speaker 1: the ethical and the stuff around that. Any idea how that.
25:55
Speaker 3: Works, big idea is because you know, we have to
25:59
Speaker 3: be very mind of that. So we're not allowed to
26:01
Speaker 3: make any marketing claims under the what's our what's our
26:06
Speaker 3: Food and Drug Administration? The FDA. They're not approved for
26:09
Speaker 3: marketing claims, uh, and so they're considered sort of for
26:12
Speaker 3: research use, so people have to they're not prescribed per se.
26:16
Speaker 3: People have to go buy them online. You know. We
26:19
Speaker 3: recommend places where they're third party tested and you know,
26:23
Speaker 3: have you know, from a properly certified clean lab that's
26:29
Speaker 3: following all the proper procedures to cGMP procedures and all that.
26:34
Speaker 3: So so we trust them these labs. You know, I
26:38
Speaker 3: wouldn't trust everybody, but we have trusted ones and that's
26:41
Speaker 3: where we buy them. Some some Australian folks actually came
26:45
Speaker 3: up to our booth at the event because we had
26:48
Speaker 3: an exhibit booth there and they were they were in
26:52
Speaker 3: the States and they're loading up on the all the
26:53
Speaker 3: stuff since they can't get it when they're home.
26:56
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, it's yeah you can, and you'd.
27:01
Speaker 3: Be proud of me. I properly used bloke and Sheila
27:04
Speaker 3: in a sentence.
27:08
Speaker 1: Maybe don't use sheila too much. That's that's a little.
27:11
Speaker 3: What was that wrong?
27:12
Speaker 2: Did you say you do a podcast with a bloke
27:16
Speaker 2: and a Sheila from US?
27:18
Speaker 1: Is that? What?
27:18
Speaker 3: Am I?
27:18
Speaker 2: The Sheila?
27:19
Speaker 3: You were a very that's not what I said, Although
27:22
Speaker 3: yes I do a podcast once someone's with a bloke
27:25
Speaker 3: and a Sheila.
27:26
Speaker 1: But do you know when it's you, when you're American,
27:29
Speaker 1: you can definitely get away with it. There's nothing, there's
27:33
Speaker 1: nothing wrong, but you know three people will get their
27:36
Speaker 1: nose out of joint with that term these days. But
27:38
Speaker 1: fucking in a loving way? So is it is? I
27:44
Speaker 1: actually don't know this. I think I might get one
27:47
Speaker 1: letter or number wrong. Is it BP one five seven
27:50
Speaker 1: that's getting a bit of airtime at the moment? What
27:53
Speaker 1: like one of my mates is one of my mates
27:56
Speaker 1: is like, oh, you got to get on that. It's
27:58
Speaker 1: going to fucking change your life. I don't even know
28:00
Speaker 1: what it does. But what is that? And is that
28:03
Speaker 1: getting a bit of exposure?
28:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's That's a very popular beginner peptide. It stands
28:09
Speaker 3: for Body Protection Compound one five seven and it is
28:14
Speaker 3: a common thing we use for healing healing a musculo
28:19
Speaker 3: skeletal injury. It does help enhance collagen production and muscle
28:24
Speaker 3: and tend and repair. It's usually part of a recipe
28:27
Speaker 3: that we give and sometimes you do it for a cycle.
28:29
Speaker 3: You do four to six weeks and you go off
28:32
Speaker 3: and do something else so or you take a break
28:36
Speaker 3: completely and that's when you take that and a few others.
28:40
Speaker 3: It's called it's a really supercharges you're healing. The call
28:43
Speaker 3: it the Wolverine protocol because of the comic book hero
28:46
Speaker 3: of the Wolverine who heals himself.
28:49
Speaker 1: Well, you know that the bloke who plays the Wolverine
28:51
Speaker 1: is a nausea right.
28:53
Speaker 3: I hear he is? Yes here he can sing and
28:56
Speaker 3: dance too.
28:57
Speaker 1: He can, he can. He's singing, singing, dancing. Bloody webelf
29:01
Speaker 1: for whatever is what? What do people get wrong about
29:06
Speaker 1: aging and anti iging? Are they common misconceptions?
29:11
Speaker 3: I think that the number one thing is, uh, You've
29:15
Speaker 3: got people who are self inflicting wounds and they'll want
29:20
Speaker 3: to do, Oh, I'll just take this vitamin or this
29:22
Speaker 3: peptide and I'll continue to drink, you know, six beers
29:26
Speaker 3: a day and those just not going to work. So
29:29
Speaker 3: you got to you got to really It's okay to have,
29:33
Speaker 3: you know, if you're ore or two on the weekend,
29:35
Speaker 3: but you you've got to behave you know, the vast
29:38
Speaker 3: majority of the time, across all spectrum spectra of anti aging,
29:45
Speaker 3: anti inflammatory behaviors, you know, exercise, diet, supplements, sleep, mindfulness, tech, regeneration,
29:54
Speaker 3: all these different things. You you know, you want to
29:57
Speaker 3: bring it together.
29:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't kind of undo one set of bad
30:03
Speaker 1: behaviors by taking a pill or taken a jab once
30:07
Speaker 1: a day. What as objective as you can be about you,
30:11
Speaker 1: which is not very because you're you. Just in case
30:15
Speaker 1: you didn't know, how do you feel at you know, whatever,
30:21
Speaker 1: you are, late fifties, how do you feel compared to
30:25
Speaker 1: thirty five year old you? Do you have any perspective.
30:30
Speaker 3: A little bit? And I'm glad you brought this up
30:33
Speaker 3: because now everyone can understand why the podcast is named
30:37
Speaker 3: the EU Project, because it's all about me.
30:39
Speaker 1: That is correct. Uh, And we're it Jeff's place.
30:43
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yes, So you know, I've been blessed with good
30:52
Speaker 3: health for the most part. You know, I've got some
30:54
Speaker 3: some injuries and things like anybody that's you know, leaves
30:58
Speaker 3: leaves the front door every day. But I'm in better
31:03
Speaker 3: shape now than I have been in the vast majority
31:05
Speaker 3: of my life. Why because I'm really putting the effort in.
31:08
Speaker 3: You know, when I was I was in my thirties,
31:10
Speaker 3: it was very early in my career because surgeons like me,
31:15
Speaker 3: we don't really start our careers until, you know, the
31:18
Speaker 3: early half of our thirties. We're busy schooling all that
31:21
Speaker 3: time and learning how to do stuff. And so that
31:25
Speaker 3: was early in my career. So I was working, staying
31:27
Speaker 3: up all night, taking calling emergency center and all that,
31:30
Speaker 3: and I wasn't doing well. Someone actually told me a
31:35
Speaker 3: statistic when I started my practice that surgeons have a
31:39
Speaker 3: life expectancy of sixty eight years old. Wait a minute,
31:44
Speaker 3: I'm just starting work at thirty four. Yeah, you mean,
31:48
Speaker 3: you know, half my life to get here. Now, I'm
31:51
Speaker 3: going to die soon. So it occurred to me that
31:55
Speaker 3: and I correlated that. At some point I read on
31:58
Speaker 3: the benefits of restoring of sleep, and I correlated that,
32:02
Speaker 3: I said, you know what, I think it has to
32:04
Speaker 3: do with the lack of sleep. So I only took
32:07
Speaker 3: a mercy room call for a few years to get busy,
32:10
Speaker 3: and then I slept. And I remember sleeping, having not
32:14
Speaker 3: slept for most of medical school, residency, fellowship, chief residency,
32:18
Speaker 3: and early practice probably twenty years. Not sleeping well either. Either.
32:24
Speaker 3: You try to fall asleep and your pager goes off.
32:26
Speaker 3: Because this is back when we had pagers. You may
32:28
Speaker 3: recall those in the dark ages and then and even
32:32
Speaker 3: on the nights where you weren't taking call, you're still
32:34
Speaker 3: in that anxious state where you think your page is
32:39
Speaker 3: going to go off. So I didn't have a dream
32:41
Speaker 3: for like twenty years, so I wasn't hitting those deeper
32:43
Speaker 3: restorative sleep cycles. So when I stopped taking call after
32:47
Speaker 3: a few months, I started to dream again. Wow, and
32:51
Speaker 3: I realized that, you know, sleep was a big important thing.
32:57
Speaker 3: And if you talk to Brian Johnson, who's the you know,
33:01
Speaker 3: the guy with the blueprint who's working on a significant
33:05
Speaker 3: life extension, sleep is one of his top probably three
33:11
Speaker 3: things that he correlates with his improvement in his longevity markers.
33:16
Speaker 1: He's been dude on Netflix. There's a special TIF. Can
33:20
Speaker 1: you find the name of that Brian Johnson. I should
33:24
Speaker 1: watch that. I kind of I've been I will say
33:27
Speaker 1: I've been a little bit judgy. He kind of annoys me.
33:30
Speaker 1: But he's probably onto something I don't know, but I
33:34
Speaker 1: don't know. That's very judgmental he is.
33:38
Speaker 3: He is pushing the envelope and trying things, so he's
33:40
Speaker 3: a he's a self experimenter. So I like that he's
33:44
Speaker 3: wanting to try things and yeah, yeah, he's really working
33:50
Speaker 3: at it.
33:51
Speaker 1: Do you reckon that? Do you think it's a good idea?
33:54
Speaker 1: Within reason? Obviously depends what we're talking about. But for
33:57
Speaker 1: people to do, you know, to run their own exp experiments.
34:00
Speaker 1: And by that I mean, don't whack yourself on some
34:03
Speaker 1: weird drug. I mean, but you know, go, oh, you
34:05
Speaker 1: know what, I'm going to do two weeks with zero
34:07
Speaker 1: caffeine and see what happens to my body. Oh?
34:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do it anyway, we unbeknownst to us, we're
34:13
Speaker 3: all experimenting on ourselves. You know, absolutely, you don't know
34:16
Speaker 3: how you're going to respond until you do that. And
34:21
Speaker 3: you know, it's good if you base it on something
34:23
Speaker 3: you can find that has some scientific you know, clout
34:26
Speaker 3: to it. But at the end of the day, how
34:28
Speaker 3: you respond to something may be different than someone else.
34:31
Speaker 3: So you've got to try it, whether it is a
34:34
Speaker 3: whacked out drug or not.
34:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's well. Yeah, Now, asking for a friend not
34:40
Speaker 1: may of course, But if someone was to take testoster right,
34:43
Speaker 1: not asking for me, just a friend, how much would
34:45
Speaker 1: they start on? What's a therapeutic what's a therapeutic number
34:50
Speaker 1: of milligrams? Per week.
34:52
Speaker 3: Well, you know, we would first we would check your
34:55
Speaker 3: blood tests. We would check your total tisastrone. You're free
34:59
Speaker 3: to astrone, your bioavailable to sostroone. We would check your
35:03
Speaker 3: DHA because sometimes DHA, which is a supplement here in
35:08
Speaker 3: the US, is a building block of testosterone. Some people
35:11
Speaker 3: just need more building block, you know. So we would
35:15
Speaker 3: check all those things, and then we would value in
35:17
Speaker 3: based upon your levels and your needs. And it still
35:20
Speaker 3: may need to be adjusted. But you know, if it's topical,
35:25
Speaker 3: you know, you might go with, you know, one hundred
35:30
Speaker 3: milligrams a week. If it's injected, it's different. I don't
35:34
Speaker 3: have the tables in front of me, but injectible is
35:37
Speaker 3: a lower dose because you're already putting inside your body.
35:40
Speaker 3: Topical tough to get in you. But and the topical
35:45
Speaker 3: is a daily, the injectable might be a weekly. Although
35:47
Speaker 3: people can take in different methods. There's now a medication
35:52
Speaker 3: you can take that raises your testosterone orally. So I
35:55
Speaker 3: don't know much about it yet. They were at this event,
35:59
Speaker 3: but we were so busy manning our booth we didn't
36:01
Speaker 3: I didn't get to snoop around and see what else
36:03
Speaker 3: is going on, and.
36:05
Speaker 1: What about for women, would it be something like about.
36:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, about a tenth. You know, we want a women's
36:12
Speaker 3: testosterone probably around fifty milligrams per milli leader. The lab
36:21
Speaker 3: reports are different units in different parts of the world,
36:24
Speaker 3: so don't memorize my number. Look at your your lab
36:28
Speaker 3: reports if you do it, because someplace go by desolator
36:32
Speaker 3: per desolator picograms per desolator instead of milligrams per cc. So,
36:39
Speaker 3: but yeah, women need testosterone. Like Tiff said, she's not motivated.
36:43
Speaker 3: She doesn't want to punch anybody, you know, she wants
36:47
Speaker 3: to sell on the couch with her feet up. Probably
36:50
Speaker 3: so that that that's a lot of testosterone.
36:53
Speaker 2: In my mind, there's testosterone. I feel like it doesn't.
36:57
Speaker 2: But the female homeminds fluctuate throughout the cycle, so it
37:01
Speaker 2: can be very hard to get a baseline on that
37:04
Speaker 2: from most tps without regular testing. Does testosterone fluctuate in females.
37:12
Speaker 3: A good question. There's fluctuation for men and women with
37:16
Speaker 3: lunar cycles, with all kinds of things, but it's not
37:19
Speaker 3: as much as the estrogen. Progesterones will fluctuate. But once
37:23
Speaker 3: a woman is truly postmenopausal, we usually replace that woman
37:28
Speaker 3: at a static level because she's not cycling, she's not
37:32
Speaker 3: having that need to cycle.
37:36
Speaker 1: Oh, I never thought of that. That's a very good point.
37:38
Speaker 3: A great question. If your pre metopouzle and still cycling,
37:41
Speaker 3: then there are variations in the replacement where you do
37:45
Speaker 3: replace it, you know, so more at one time of
37:48
Speaker 3: the month and less at another time of the month.
37:51
Speaker 1: So while you've got the dock at your disposal tip,
37:54
Speaker 1: you just you keep thinking, I'm going to ask more questions.
37:57
Speaker 1: But if you've got another personal consult question two questions.
38:03
Speaker 2: Those games are held in May twenty first May, and
38:08
Speaker 2: the movie that Brian Johnson is in is The Man
38:12
Speaker 2: who doesn't want to die, Don't Die, the Man who
38:14
Speaker 2: wants to live forever. I just read something that completely
38:17
Speaker 2: wasn't doubt.
38:20
Speaker 3: His teacher says, don't die.
38:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't die. I might. I might step off my
38:26
Speaker 1: judgmental high horse and have a watch of that tonight
38:30
Speaker 1: without disclosing anything you shouldn't disclose, Doc, could you tell
38:36
Speaker 1: us about an amazing outcome you've got with a patient
38:39
Speaker 1: using you know, regenerative protocols, like is now a person
38:45
Speaker 1: you can talk about that you went there? It is amazing.
38:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me so, and this is public and there's
38:54
Speaker 3: there's a friend of mine. He's our friend. Started out
38:58
Speaker 3: as as patient. So he he he kid to me,
39:02
Speaker 3: said Jeff, every year I do something hard. He's in
39:06
Speaker 3: the real estate industry and he has a YouTube channel.
39:09
Speaker 3: I'm going to give you the channel in case you
39:10
Speaker 3: guys want to check out this guy. His name is
39:13
Speaker 3: Michael Zumber and his channel is called one Rental at
39:16
Speaker 3: a Time. He teaches people how to how to become
39:20
Speaker 3: a you know, a real estate baron, you know, for
39:23
Speaker 3: renting out properties. He's based here in the US and
39:27
Speaker 3: last year he ran a marathon for that was his
39:30
Speaker 3: He trained for it and he ran it. So he
39:32
Speaker 3: came to me, he said, I want to I want
39:34
Speaker 3: to transform my body. I want to get in shape.
39:35
Speaker 3: I want to like, can you take me through at
39:38
Speaker 3: a to Z? I said sure. So we started first
39:41
Speaker 3: of the year with a with a three day fast
39:43
Speaker 3: we did together, and we every month we do a
39:47
Speaker 3: YouTube broad podcast. He started the year with a body
39:51
Speaker 3: fat percentage of thirty five ish thirty six percent. He
39:56
Speaker 3: is now sub fifteen percent wo and we just hit
40:00
Speaker 3: five five complete months. Today's today's well here it's June second,
40:06
Speaker 3: it's June third where you are. Let me say happy
40:11
Speaker 3: birthday to my wife on June third. I can say
40:13
Speaker 3: that in Australia. She won't hear it until tomorrow, but
40:17
Speaker 3: I just want to get that out there.
40:19
Speaker 1: What's her first name? Lilah, Lilah, Happy birthday from Harps
40:24
Speaker 1: and Tiff and from the land down under. We hope
40:27
Speaker 1: it's great. And I want to say also, Lailah, Lila, Lilah.
40:31
Speaker 3: Sorry is it Lila?
40:34
Speaker 1: I want to say, you're a saint for putting up
40:36
Speaker 1: with that motherfucker. How do you do that? She has
40:39
Speaker 1: some kind of award.
40:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, she's got a birthday present coming tomorrow. I
40:44
Speaker 3: want to want to give a secret away, but it's coming.
40:47
Speaker 3: So but thank you for that. And so so Michael
40:53
Speaker 3: Zuber is doing so We've created a program around him
40:56
Speaker 3: called Biotransformation, And we started out with die and exercise
41:01
Speaker 3: tweaks and protein intake and supplements and you know how
41:07
Speaker 3: many steps a day and sleep and and he's doing great.
41:12
Speaker 3: And every month we track his progress. So and you know,
41:17
Speaker 3: what we do for him might be different than what
41:19
Speaker 3: we do for someone else to get him there, but
41:21
Speaker 3: I'm very proud of him. He's doing great. So check
41:23
Speaker 3: it out. He has a playlist with this, this with
41:29
Speaker 3: the two of us. Because most of his stuff is
41:31
Speaker 3: real estate, which is good content. But check out the
41:34
Speaker 3: biotransformation stuff we're doing with him. It's it's really cool.
41:40
Speaker 1: How old is he? If I can ask, he's I
41:43
Speaker 1: think he's.
41:43
Speaker 3: Fifty three something like that.
41:47
Speaker 1: Good for him, Good for him. I bet his bio
41:50
Speaker 1: ages dropped two a bit.
41:52
Speaker 3: We did. We did a bioage test at the beginning
41:55
Speaker 3: of the year, and he was quite old. I don't
41:57
Speaker 3: have the number in front of me on that test
42:00
Speaker 3: older than his stated age. We're going to repeat that
42:02
Speaker 3: test at the end of the year and we'll we'll
42:05
Speaker 3: report back on all of his mett. We did physical
42:08
Speaker 3: measurements at the beginning of the year. We did how
42:10
Speaker 3: long you know, can he hang from pull up bar?
42:12
Speaker 3: We did everything and uh, body composition on an in
42:16
Speaker 3: body machine. You have those down there? Yeah, yeah, okay,
42:21
Speaker 3: so all that and we're gonna oh he actually did
42:23
Speaker 3: a Dexa scam. We did a Dexa for body comp Wow. Yeah,
42:28
Speaker 3: so we he's invested in. We did a full lab panel.
42:32
Speaker 3: So this is the biotransformation program. It's a twelve month
42:36
Speaker 3: kind of product we're trying to put together. It's individualized precision.
42:42
Speaker 1: This is a left turn, but I wanted to ask you.
42:45
Speaker 1: I know, we've got like five minutes to go, because
42:47
Speaker 1: Tip's got a date.
42:51
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I'm good now for another half
42:53
Speaker 2: an hour so you can go over time.
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Speaker 1: Oh okay. There are a relationship between chronic pine and aging.
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Speaker 1: I feel like people who deal with chronic pine kind
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Speaker 1: of get all the faster.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think you're right, and I think that overlaps.
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Speaker 3: The Venn diagram includes that chronic inflammatory stress point right
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Speaker 3: the fight or flight. You have more pain if your
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Speaker 3: sympathetic system is overcharged. If you have more you know
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Speaker 3: of those circulating proteins and neurotransmitters going that when you're
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Speaker 3: in stress, and people relaxed and happy and laughing have
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Speaker 3: less pain, more on the parasympathetic side. So chronic accumulation
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Speaker 3: of having too much of the bad side will age
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Speaker 3: you faster at the cellular level. This is all happening
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Speaker 3: at the cellular level, and that's how we measure it.
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Speaker 1: Are you a fan of people tracking everything that they do?
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Speaker 1: You know, like it from whether it's sleep, whether it's food,
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Speaker 1: whether it's text sides, whether it's mood, energy, tea, coffee, booze, supplements,
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Speaker 1: and literally you know, creating. Like that's where the name
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Speaker 1: of the You project came from. Like I used to
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Speaker 1: say to all of my clients, you're the project. It's
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Speaker 1: like literally the You project. And the biggest management project
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Speaker 1: you'll ever have is literally looking after you. Do you
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Speaker 1: like people kind of teaching themselves and learning that way.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And as long as it's not a burden, you know,
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Speaker 3: some things you could you can measure periodically at the
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Speaker 3: beginning when you really want to study the effects of
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Speaker 3: things on yourself, Like you want to wear a glucose
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Speaker 3: monitor and see what how rice affects your insulin and
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Speaker 3: your your glucose in your body. You can learn a
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Speaker 3: bunch of things and then you don't have to wear
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Speaker 3: the thing much. You know, word it are you already
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Speaker 3: learned from that. You might go back and spot check
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Speaker 3: it later. But so so I don't want people to
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Speaker 3: get sort of bugged out with like, oh, I got
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Speaker 3: to measure everything I eat and every gram of this
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Speaker 3: and how many reps of you know, forty kilograms I
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Speaker 3: can do, and that kind of thing we so, so
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Speaker 3: you've got to make it where it's it's an achievable
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Speaker 3: task without detracting from the goal.
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Speaker 1: And that's a good point. If I feel like you've
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Speaker 1: got a question for the doc before we say goodbye.
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Speaker 2: Just processing it all, just processing it, just like a.
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Speaker 1: Mere cat staring down the barrel.
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Speaker 2: I was just really reflecting on you know, how easily
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Speaker 2: things like that can become a little bit negative in
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Speaker 2: how you then react or think about them when you
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Speaker 2: know you know what affects you, and how like sleep.
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Speaker 2: As my sleep declined, I could get more stress. There's
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Speaker 2: times when I've periods of time in the past I've
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Speaker 2: had to take my watch off and because I wake up,
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Speaker 2: I look at it and I get no deep or
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Speaker 2: rem according to a watch that has not the best
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Speaker 2: ability to tell me that level of info, and it
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Speaker 2: ruins my whole day. And I'm like, well, I haven't slept.
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Speaker 2: Now I haven't slept. I'm going to die early. It's
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Speaker 2: what ten years off my life. What's the point.
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Speaker 1: That's really interesting, isn't it. I imagine if you got
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Speaker 1: up and however you felt you weren't sure how you
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Speaker 1: felt and it went you had three hours of good sleep.
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Speaker 1: You're like, fuck versus that told you you had seven. Yeah, right,
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Speaker 1: even if you were in the same state. But now
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Speaker 1: you think you had seven good hours of sleep. I
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Speaker 1: bet you're going to have a better day. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: You know, this a great idea. We should create a
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Speaker 3: health and wellness out that that leverages the placebo effect
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Speaker 3: like that all day on. You know, Oh, wow, you
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Speaker 3: ate great today, you exercised enough, you slept great, You're
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Speaker 3: at the top of your game physically.
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Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Yeah, we could call it the bullshit yourself app.
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Speaker 3: Well, then you're taking away the placebo.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's true, that's true. That's true. Uh hi, doc,
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Speaker 1: How do people connect with you and find you and
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Speaker 1: learn a little bit more about what you do?
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Speaker 3: Well, first, they need to listen to each and every
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Speaker 3: episode where I appear with Craig or Craig and Tiff
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Speaker 3: on the U Project name for me because it's all
47:31
Speaker 3: about me. And also at re celebrate dot com where
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Speaker 3: we celebrate the renewal of yourselves. R E C E
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Speaker 3: L L E B R A t E. You can
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Speaker 3: find us on Instagram, LinkedIn TikTok. You know all those things.
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Speaker 1: Perfect Mike with saygobae here, but once again, we appreciate you.
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Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Lala. I hope you have a good due tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: You know you can tell. Well, actually maybe you can't,
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Speaker 1: because this might be up before she gets her present.
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Speaker 1: I'll ask you off air, have a good have a
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Speaker 1: good evening, mate, and we'll see you in a month.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate you.
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Speaker 3: Thanks, Tiff, thank you, right back at you both. Thank you.