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Congressman Massie joined Brian Thomas this morning · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: The talk station eight o five here a fifty five
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  Speaker 1: KRCD talk station. I'm very happy one. See if you
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  Speaker 1: always made an extra special when we get what might
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  Speaker 1: call my favorite hour of radio with Congressman Thomas Massey,
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  Speaker 1: followed by Judge edit of Poulitano. Say what you want
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  Speaker 1: about the judge. He's got his own opinions. He's entitled
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  Speaker 1: to them. Welcome back, Congressman Thomas Massy. Say what you
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  Speaker 1: want about Congressman Massy. I know Donald Trump says what
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  Speaker 1: he wants about you, sir. It's great to have you
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  Speaker 1: back on the program. Always a pleasure, my friend, great.
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  Speaker 2: To be on. You know. Occasionally I get a mean
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  Speaker 2: tweet from the President, but then I get about eighty
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars a donation sent to my website every time.
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  Speaker 2: That happens, mostly by people who like the President and
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  Speaker 2: like me as well.
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  Speaker 1: Right that, See, that's me. Although I don't I haven't,
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  Speaker 1: you know, submitted to fealty to Donald Trump. I do
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  Speaker 1: have my occasional criticisms of him, and I'm entitled to them.
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  Speaker 1: I do share your profound appreciation and respect for the
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  Speaker 1: ultimate law of the way, which is the Constitution. I've
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  Speaker 1: got a lot of questions legal and otherwise about some
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  Speaker 1: of the things Donald Trump has done. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're entitled to have these discussions because it does exist
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  Speaker 1: within a discussion of the Constitution and what the Constitution
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  Speaker 1: allows and does not allow. But you know, I can
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  Speaker 1: really appreciate you, but also appreciate the work that Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump has done, because he's got a lot accomplished for
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  Speaker 1: the good of all the humanity in the United States
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  Speaker 1: since he took office. So you just can't step out
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  Speaker 1: of line with him. When you're a politician, you're not
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  Speaker 1: allowed to suggest something independent of his idea.
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  Speaker 2: I vote with the party ninety one percent of the time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm almost embarrassed to tell you I do it that
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  Speaker 2: many times. Yeah, it's the nine percent where they're bankrupting
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  Speaker 2: the company or starting another war or trying to cover
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  Speaker 2: up for pedophiles where I disagree with the party, and
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  Speaker 2: then I get in trouble for taking the other path,
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  Speaker 2: which is the constitutional path or the path of transfer.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's never the path of the Democrats necessarily, Although
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  Speaker 1: going over to the Epstein files, this has been a
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  Speaker 1: real puzzler fort literally everyone. We can go through the
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  Speaker 1: brief history of it. Donald Trump even campaigned on getting
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  Speaker 1: the Epstein files out there. The Democrats were in power
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  Speaker 1: under Joe Biden. They could have released them during that
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  Speaker 1: entire period of time, because they were sitting in a
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  Speaker 1: back room somewhere. They didn't lift a finger to release them.
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump gets selected, he then sort of does a
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  Speaker 1: one to eighty and says no, no, there's nothing to
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  Speaker 1: see there. And then the Democrats immediately say, well, Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump doesn't want to release them, so we all want
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  Speaker 1: to release them, resulting in your discharge petition because you
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  Speaker 1: know that we are entitled to see the Epstein files.
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  Speaker 1: And then everyone, with a notable few exceptions, House and
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  Speaker 1: Senate votes to release the Epstein files. Congressman Thomas Messey,
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  Speaker 1: he did sign that piece of legislation. It was the law,
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  Speaker 1: or it is the law of the land that those
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  Speaker 1: documents were supposed to have been produced already. Am I wrong?
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  Speaker 2: You're correct. The President signed my bill which said that
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  Speaker 2: the Steam files were due by December nineteenth. We're almost
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  Speaker 2: we're a month past that date, and they've released like
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  Speaker 2: maybe one percent of the files and things, and the
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  Speaker 2: files that they're releasing are not the files that we need.
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  Speaker 2: We've told them specifically, we want the draft indictments. We
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  Speaker 2: want the three h two forms that FBI fills out
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  Speaker 2: after they interview the victims. We want the stuff that
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  Speaker 2: has the names in them. And we've told them you
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  Speaker 2: can't redact them because you're trying to protect internal deliberations.
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  Speaker 2: We want the internal deliberations. The law says, give us
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  Speaker 2: the internal deliberations. So, because they've missed the deadline, but
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  Speaker 2: more importantly, because they are over redacting these files, we
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  Speaker 2: have asked the judge, Judge Ingelemeyer in the Southern District
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  Speaker 2: of New York to appoint a special master to oversee
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  Speaker 2: the redactions and the release of these files. And the
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  Speaker 2: judge responded to us this week and told us and
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  Speaker 2: the doj okay, give me your arguments within a week,
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  Speaker 2: and then he may make some kind of decision here.
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  Speaker 2: So that's our next step. There are other avenues available
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  Speaker 2: to us legislatively and legally, legislatively, we can find Pambondi
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  Speaker 2: in contempt. She is in contempt of Congress now, especially
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  Speaker 2: because our law that the presidents signed also said fifteen
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  Speaker 2: days after the original thirty day deadline, they've got to
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  Speaker 2: give a report to Congress listing all the political folks
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  Speaker 2: that they found in their files, and they have to
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  Speaker 2: justify all the reactions. So they've missed both deadlines now
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  Speaker 2: and one was specifically for a deliverable to Congress. So
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  Speaker 2: they're in contempt of Congress. We can find them in contempt.
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  Speaker 2: There's another level called inherent contempt, where you could find
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  Speaker 2: her from the House of Representatives or send the Sergeant
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  Speaker 2: at Arms to arrest her. We could do that. It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have to go to the Senate. We could impeach her.
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  Speaker 2: That's a steep hill to climb in the Senate, but
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  Speaker 2: the threat of that might compel her to start following
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  Speaker 2: the law. Or we could bring a lawsuit. The victims
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  Speaker 2: could bring a lawsuit, or myself and the co author
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  Speaker 2: of my build, Rocanna, could bring a lawsuit if we
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  Speaker 2: can establish standing in a court and then compel the
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  Speaker 2: release of them. There's so many avenues. We're trying the
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  Speaker 2: most polite avenue right now, which is to say, judge,
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  Speaker 2: can you point a special master just to see what
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  Speaker 2: they're doing over there?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the law is on the books. I'm going back
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  Speaker 1: to this whole idea that they swore to uphold. The
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  Speaker 1: Constitution and faithfully execute the laws. That would include a
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  Speaker 1: swear by Donald Trump as well as Pam BONDI right,
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  Speaker 1: she took the oath as well, didn't she?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Here's another thing about the Well, go ahead, Brian.
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  Speaker 1: I guess absence some argument that the law in and
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  Speaker 1: of itself is unconstitutional, which I don't think anybody has
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  Speaker 1: made that argument, although you can correct me if I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 1: The law says what the law says. There's really nothing
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  Speaker 1: to review here other than try to figure out a
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  Speaker 1: remedy based upon the various people involved making the decisions
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  Speaker 1: refusal to follow what the law specifically says.
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  Speaker 2: They are making a legal argument that a first year
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  Speaker 2: law student when no, doesn't hold any water. The legal
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  Speaker 2: argument and they're trying to make is that the Privacy
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  Speaker 2: Act protects these people, the perpetrators who've not been indicted.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the problem. Our bill, which is a newer law,
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  Speaker 2: overrides the old law. They're saying because you didn't repeal
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  Speaker 2: the Privacy Act, that the Privacy Act overrules your new bill.
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  Speaker 2: But our new bill is the law of the land
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  Speaker 2: supersedes you don't have to yeah, supersedes it. And the
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  Speaker 2: judges every judge in the country knows this. We just
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  Speaker 2: need one judge to tell them. What's what. The other
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  Speaker 2: thing they're doing is they're saying that our Foyer Standards
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  Speaker 2: Freedom of Information Act allow us to redact things because
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  Speaker 2: of internal deliberations. Well, here's the problem with this that
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  Speaker 2: this is not a foy it this is not law.
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  Speaker 2: This freaking law the President's signed. And second of all,
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  Speaker 2: it says internal communications, including decisions about whether to indict,
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  Speaker 2: decisions about this, and decisions about that. It's all we
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  Speaker 2: need is like some judge somewhere to say, you, Pambinde,
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  Speaker 2: you're full of it. And so that's hopefully we get
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  Speaker 2: to that point soon. But here's what I was going
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  Speaker 2: to say when I interrupted you, I'm sorry. I was
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  Speaker 2: going to say, this is a law. And here's the
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  Speaker 2: other feature of a law. Until it's repealed, it goes
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  Speaker 2: on forever. So Pam Bondy, even though we could refer
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  Speaker 2: contempt charges on her to the DOJ, she's not going
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  Speaker 2: to find herself in contempt right, But the next Attorney
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  Speaker 2: General could prosecute a prior attorney general for not following
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  Speaker 2: this law because unlike a congressional subpoena, from the Oversight
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  Speaker 2: Committee or the Judiciary Committee. This thing doesn't expire at
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  Speaker 2: the end of our CONGRESSCT. It goes on forever. Well,
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  Speaker 2: so they're putting themselves in legal jeopardy, and you can
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  Speaker 2: be darn sure there are going to be future attorney
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  Speaker 2: generals who will prosecute this thing when they get in
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  Speaker 2: that seat. Now, Pambonni hasn't arrested or indicted anybody, not Fauci,
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  Speaker 2: nobody for any of the things that you know, we
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  Speaker 2: claim that's been going on, and we know that have
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  Speaker 2: been going on. But I can guarantee you there will
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  Speaker 2: be ags who will be aggressive.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I guess to suppose the elephant in the room
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  Speaker 1: is this amid all of this overwhelming legal support for
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  Speaker 1: producing the damn docis given what we just you know,
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  Speaker 1: what you and I just just talked about here, the
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  Speaker 1: big looming question is why would you even go down
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  Speaker 1: this impeachment or contempt or whatever legal action road is
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  Speaker 1: going to be in front of us inevitably, What is
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  Speaker 1: the reason they aren't being produced? The real reason? Who
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  Speaker 1: are they trying to cover or hide? These are the
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  Speaker 1: questions that always pop up when you try to hide
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  Speaker 1: the ball from the American people.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing. Pam Bondi's not in these files. Todd Blanche,
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  Speaker 2: her deputy, is not in these files. Why are they
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  Speaker 2: putting their heads their necks in a news literally yes,
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  Speaker 2: but by violating this law they could be charged criminally.
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  Speaker 2: Why are they doing that? Who are they covering up for?
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  Speaker 2: Why is this so important to them? Why don't they
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  Speaker 2: just comply with the law because they will get in
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  Speaker 2: trouble in the cover up, not not for releasing the things.
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  Speaker 1: And going back to whether or not you like Donald
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  Speaker 1: try over or not, isn't a little bit revealing perhaps,
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  Speaker 1: or one can might reach the conclusion that it's revealing
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  Speaker 1: that Donald Trump hasn't come out and say, what's the
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  Speaker 1: damn problem here? Get the documents out? Like the law
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  Speaker 1: that I signed says to.
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  Speaker 2: Do well, that's the thing that paym Bondi worked for him.
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  Speaker 2: We know that he does just need to walk down
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  Speaker 2: the hall and say do it or come out and
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  Speaker 2: say do it right, So in the absence of him
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  Speaker 2: compelling her, he's complicit. Now he and this thing, it's
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  Speaker 2: like everything in the world is happening. I call these
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  Speaker 2: weapons of mass distraction. And now they're trying to just
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  Speaker 2: completely ignore the document production. It's literally ground to a halt.
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  Speaker 2: And they've admitted they've only released about one percent of
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  Speaker 2: the files. They say there are a million files they've found. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't know we had a million files on st right,
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  Speaker 2: which brings another question. How does how is there an
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  Speaker 2: FBI file? It's a million files big okay, a folder
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  Speaker 2: with a million files in it, which may be five
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  Speaker 2: million pages, and there's only two people guilty. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: buying it. Oh, no, show us the draft indictments where
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  Speaker 2: they had other people to indict that they didn't indict.
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  Speaker 2: What happened with those indictments?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think if you're betting and your you're you
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  Speaker 1: wanted to put your money on a safe bet, I
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  Speaker 1: would argue that anybody else who was facing an indictment
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  Speaker 1: probably reached an out of court settlement with the victim
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  Speaker 1: and a h which also included a confidentiality agreement. Just
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  Speaker 1: one thought. You can't get someone to testify you in
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  Speaker 1: a criminal trial. You've already bought them off. There isn't
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  Speaker 1: going to be one. Let's see Congress and Matthews, Well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so our bill requires disclosure of those agreements
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  Speaker 2: like we are pioneering here. This had this has never
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  Speaker 2: been done, as far as I know, in the history
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  Speaker 2: of your country. Nobody actually got a law passed that said,
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  Speaker 2: for a specific case, you have to give us the
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  Speaker 2: grand jury material, you have to give us everything.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that may answer some of the questions about Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump's unleashing ire upon you and calling you the worst
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  Speaker 1: Republican congressman. Just a thought. We'll continue with Congressman Massi.
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  Speaker 1: We'll find out what the government shutdown based upon. Defunding ICE.
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  Speaker 1: Really maybe a word or chowing Venezuela and perhaps Ron
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Massey Moore after this quick oh no, after these
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  Speaker 1: brief words station Hey twenty here fifty five krc DE
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  Speaker 1: talk station, Happy Wednesday, Judgenna Paulatano coming up next after well,
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  Speaker 1: maybe finished the conversation we're having right now with Congressman
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Massey. Looks like are we going to face another
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  Speaker 1: government shutdown? I know it was all about the Obamacare
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  Speaker 1: covid Era subsidies before masking the reality of the epic
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  Speaker 1: failure that is Obamacare and doing nothing to lower the
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  Speaker 1: cost of healthcare, just masking it. That was one reason,
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  Speaker 1: and we went through that. Are we going to do
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  Speaker 1: that again, or is it now going to be over
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  Speaker 1: ice funding, which I've heard some elected officials argue it
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  Speaker 1: should be.
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  Speaker 2: I would argue it should be over something else. By
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  Speaker 2: the way, the deadline is January thirtieth. The House is
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  Speaker 2: proceeding by passing mini buses, okay, but these aren't necessarily
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  Speaker 2: being passed in the Senate. And I think we could
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  Speaker 2: hit an impasse here pretty soon because I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how many of my colleagues are going to agree to
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  Speaker 2: fund the fraudulent daycare centers in Minnesota, and how many
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  Speaker 2: will agree to fund the National Endowment for Democracy. This
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  Speaker 2: is like a three hundred million dollar fund that has
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  Speaker 2: been widely recognized now as a leftist but also a
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  Speaker 2: Neocon source of meddling in the world. But the money
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  Speaker 2: also comes back and influences our own government. I've offered
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  Speaker 2: an amendment and I've co sponsored an amendment to take
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  Speaker 2: out the money for the National Endowment for Democracy. It'll
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  Speaker 2: be interesting to see how that plays out this week
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  Speaker 2: and then in subsequent weeks. Before January thirtieth, I've already
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  Speaker 2: got my amendments written to target basically to reduce and
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  Speaker 2: eliminate this fraud in Minnesota. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: saw the president. This administration tried to withhold funding from
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  Speaker 2: five of the states where it's clearly fraudulent, and a
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  Speaker 2: judge ruled that you can't withhold the funding. He's got
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  Speaker 2: to send the funding there. And people are like, how
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  Speaker 2: can a judge have this much power? The reason the
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  Speaker 2: judge has that power to make that ruling is the
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  Speaker 2: President signed to freaking bill that funds all the fraudulent
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  Speaker 2: daycares and Congress passed it. And we've got a chance
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  Speaker 2: January thirtieth to basically stop that. And then the judge
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  Speaker 2: can't make the president spend the money. All we got
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  Speaker 2: to do is change it in law. Spending bills are law.
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  Speaker 2: That is coming up. That deadline is coming up January thirtieth.
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  Speaker 1: Is it too much of an ask when drafting legislation
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  Speaker 1: in connection with any large government program where a lot
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  Speaker 1: of money is going to be flowing out to the
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  Speaker 1: masses to put in upfront protection measures that would prevent fraud, waste,
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  Speaker 1: and abuse before the money goes out the door of Congress.
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  Speaker 1: From Massey, that is.
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  Speaker 2: I've already drafted the amendment to do that. Literally, it
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  Speaker 2: mirrors what the president is trying to do that the
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  Speaker 2: judge has shut down. I draft an amendment that says,
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  Speaker 2: if you find fraud in a state, you can implement
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  Speaker 2: these safeguards, these guardrails before the money flows to that state.
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  Speaker 2: I literally wrote that into legislation. It's ready to go
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  Speaker 2: into the bill. If the Rules Committee will allow it.
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  Speaker 2: It would get a vote on the floor of the House.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just common sense. But here's what I predict
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  Speaker 2: what happened, Brian. I predict there will not be a shutdown.
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  Speaker 2: I predict myself and several other Conservatives at the end
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  Speaker 2: are going to say, this is insanity. We cannot fund
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  Speaker 2: all the fraudulent stuff that we just found. We're not
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  Speaker 2: voting for this. And what they'll do is they'll go
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  Speaker 2: over to the other side of the aisle of the Democrats,
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  Speaker 2: and of course the Democrats will vote for it. If
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  Speaker 2: it's got the fraudulent funding and the refugee resettlement funds
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  Speaker 2: and all that other stuff in it, they'll lap that up.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be the unipart it'll be a uniparty bill on
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  Speaker 2: January thirtieth, and then the President won't complain until after
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  Speaker 2: he signs the bill and it Judge says, no, wait,
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  Speaker 2: you're signing the build that funds all this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Oh great, this is why we have you Congress from
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  Speaker 1: Messi to boil it down to its darkest terms.
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  Speaker 2: You also wouldn't know, you wouldn't have somebody introducing legislation
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  Speaker 2: that's bold enough to take out the fraudulent stuff. They
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  Speaker 2: will literally probably shut me down in the Rules Committee.
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  Speaker 2: I was on the Rules Committee for two years. I
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  Speaker 2: know how that works. This is where Republicans need to
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  Speaker 2: make their stand. There are nine Republicans and four Democrats
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  Speaker 2: on the Rules Committee. It would be so easy. You
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  Speaker 2: don't even need every Republican. You only need seven Republicans
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  Speaker 2: on the Rules Committee to put these amendments in there.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's where the stronghold is. But I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: predict all nine Republicans cave on the Rules Committee, don't
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  Speaker 2: put it in there, and then complain later that the
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  Speaker 2: fund that the money's in there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, why don't you use social media to out the
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  Speaker 1: names of the Republicans that are on the Rules Committee
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  Speaker 1: so we can bring about some measure of pressure from
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  Speaker 1: at least my listening audience and everybody else who follows
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  Speaker 1: you on social media to get their phones ringing, their
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  Speaker 1: emails lit up, and the social media accounts overwhelmed with
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  Speaker 1: you know, basically not threats but demands and and please
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  Speaker 1: to get what you want done.
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  Speaker 2: I linked I didn't put their names on there, but
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  Speaker 2: I put a link to the Rules Committee website which
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  Speaker 2: has their names on it, so that folks can find
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  Speaker 2: out if it's one of their congressmen that's on the
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  Speaker 2: Rules Committee. But just go to the Rules Committee website.
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  Speaker 2: It's right there. The nine Republicans that need to hear
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  Speaker 2: put this in there. It's where Lucy takes the football
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  Speaker 2: from the voters every single time. It's in the Rules Committee.
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  Speaker 1: Vote and apparently where Republicans. Republicans stab their own constituents
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  Speaker 1: in the committee in the back. Congressman Thomas Massey find
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  Speaker 1: the Rules Committee listeners, get in touch with Republicans on
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  Speaker 1: the Rules Committee, tell them to heed Congressman Massey's warning
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  Speaker 1: and get it done. Congressman Thomas Massey can't thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much for joining the program. Keep fighting the good fight,
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  Speaker 1: and keep believing in the supreme supreme law of the
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  Speaker 1: land because so many people just conveniently like to ignore it.