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The One With Tamra Judge · Untraditionally Lala

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  Speaker 1: Hello, gorgeous, Welcome back to the Give Them La La Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I am here with one of my most favorite housewives
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  Speaker 1: and the longest standing housewife of all time, Tamara Judge.
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  Speaker 2: Oh thank you. That was quite an introduction.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know that we have a we have a
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  Speaker 1: friendship that goes beyond the show. And I know how
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  Speaker 1: the sausage is made. So I'm a fanatic when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to housewives, but I think I watch it through
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  Speaker 1: a different lens.
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  Speaker 2: Oh for sure. And we're birthday twins.
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  Speaker 1: So we both have September, so we have that.
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  Speaker 2: We have that mine September second. Oh yeah, where you
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  Speaker 2: know we were talking, but we're psycho.
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  Speaker 1: I wear that with pride. So why you'll never be
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  Speaker 1: confused on how I feel that.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I always say. You always know what I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I don't like. I don't like somebody
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  Speaker 2: that's nice to my face and the talk shit behind
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  Speaker 2: my back or in their confession.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And you know what's wild to me is we
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  Speaker 1: know we're being recorded, we're being filmed, and you know
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  Speaker 1: we're going to do a confessional. So if I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to say something that I know I'm going to say
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  Speaker 1: in my confessional.
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  Speaker 2: I'd rather just say it to your face now, right, No,
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  Speaker 2: I agree with that one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: Get it over with I have.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's chicken shit when somebody goes and talks
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  Speaker 2: in their confessionals about people, but you can't do it
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  Speaker 2: in their face.
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  Speaker 1: Who would you say is the biggest culprit of doing that?
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  Speaker 1: On this season of Housewives.
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  Speaker 2: Well so far this season. You know, I'm really hurt
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  Speaker 2: by Gina and Emily because I truly thought that they
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  Speaker 2: were my friends and to hear them say the things
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  Speaker 2: they've said, knowing what I'm going through at that time.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Emily had even said to me, geez, if
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  Speaker 2: this was happening to my best friend. You know, Gina,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how I would be able to film
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  Speaker 2: this show, but knowing that and still coming for me
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  Speaker 2: in saying things, and to me, it's just hurtful and
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  Speaker 2: it makes me think like they really don't care about me,
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  Speaker 2: or they're really more interested in making good TV.
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  Speaker 1: When I'm watching I We've known that Teddy has been
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  Speaker 1: sick for quite a while now, and when I heard
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  Speaker 1: that you were going to go in and film this show,
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  Speaker 1: my heart broke for you because I don't think any
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  Speaker 1: of us are equipped to handle when someone like a Teddy,
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  Speaker 1: our best friend, you don't know. It's the unknown. And
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  Speaker 1: I remember going into season seven and granted my dad
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  Speaker 1: had died, and I know that I know that I'm
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  Speaker 1: a nut. I know that I go off and I
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  Speaker 1: can act crazy. But let's focus on what's at hand
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  Speaker 1: right now. I've lost my dad. So just in this
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  Speaker 1: very little moment, don't say, well, you've act crazy without
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  Speaker 1: your dad passing's let's not go there. Let's focus on
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  Speaker 1: the fact that my dad died. Let's focus on the
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  Speaker 1: fact that you don't know what the outcome will be
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  Speaker 1: with your best friend.
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  Speaker 2: MM. Well, here's the thing I people don't understand was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Teddy's were my good friends, but also she's
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  Speaker 2: my business partner, and we've built this amazing podcast together.
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  Speaker 2: Five days a week. We're you know, we're talking, we're chatting,
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  Speaker 2: we're on the phone, we're on zoom. And now this
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  Speaker 2: is happening. Two weeks into filming it. You know, she
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  Speaker 2: got diagnosed and we had just been in New Orleans
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  Speaker 2: come back, and then I have to hold the podcast
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  Speaker 2: down on my own, bring in a co host. I'm
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  Speaker 2: doing this five days a week, and you know, like
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  Speaker 2: if you're recapping stuff, you have to watch it, you
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  Speaker 2: have to write notes all that stuff. So I would
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  Speaker 2: do that in the morning, go film, come home, watch
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  Speaker 2: the show. Sometimes I have to do two podcasts in
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  Speaker 2: a day, depending on how busy the Bravo schedule is
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  Speaker 2: with Housewives, and then do it all over again. I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't eating, I was in sleeping, I was taking xanax,
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  Speaker 2: I was It was not a good time in my
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  Speaker 2: life period. I won't even watch last week's episode. I've
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  Speaker 2: only seen clips on social media, and for what people
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  Speaker 2: have told me, that's it because I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: relive it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't blame you, and you can just tell
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  Speaker 1: in your eyes that your heart is hurting, right. Was
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  Speaker 1: there a moment before when you found out Teddy was sick.
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  Speaker 1: Was there a moment where you thought, maybe I shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: go back to Housewives this season?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was already filming, so I didn't really have
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  Speaker 2: much of a choice.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you had already picked cameras up.
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  Speaker 2: I already, yeah. I was two weeks, I believe two
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  Speaker 2: or three weeks into filming when she was diagnosed, So
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  Speaker 2: I was already in it. So but every time I
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  Speaker 2: got very upset or emotional, my first instinct was to
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  Speaker 2: say I quit, I quit, And I probably did that
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  Speaker 2: three times this year.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that there when you've said I quit,
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  Speaker 1: I've said I quit a million and one time. So
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  Speaker 1: we're here like, fuck this, it's not worth it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever had a real moment where you say,
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  Speaker 1: I really need to evaluate this? Isn't me just throwing? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: That was that was New Orleans? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I I took xanax that day that night
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  Speaker 2: before we went to dinner, not thinking about the two
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  Speaker 2: drinks I had with Shannon.
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  Speaker 1: So when you walked in and you and she asked
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  Speaker 1: what are you drinking? You had to have known that
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  Speaker 1: that was a see through cup that clearly did not
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  Speaker 1: like what.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even remember. I honestly, I don't remember that scene.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember going to her hotel room and when
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  Speaker 2: I saw when I saw that, I'm like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: it's yellow, it's champagne.
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  Speaker 1: Oh it's Shamps, love of Shamps.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So have you had you had a drink with
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  Speaker 1: the xanax before you got to Shannon's room?
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  Speaker 2: So what I did was earlier in the day before,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we I can't remember what we did that day.
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  Speaker 2: Was it the doggie something.
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  Speaker 1: You did like the Yeah, like the parade holding the
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  Speaker 1: photos of your dogs.
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  Speaker 2: I'm remembering off my memory because I didn't watch. I
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  Speaker 2: only saw clips. And then after, like in between the
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  Speaker 2: doggie Pary to the Voodoo and me and Gretchen and
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  Speaker 2: Shannon sitting down, there was a bar there and I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if they showed it, but we were going
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  Speaker 2: in there and getting drinks. Okay, so I had I
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  Speaker 2: was already probably two drinks in right then.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then from there we went back to the hotel
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  Speaker 2: and we had like an hour to get ready, and
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  Speaker 2: me and Shannon said at the bar and had another
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  Speaker 2: drink okay. Then I went to my room and I
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  Speaker 2: had called Teddy on the phone. She didn't answer. I
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  Speaker 2: left her message. I took the xanax. I was super anxious.
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  Speaker 2: Probably the alcohol didn't help me, and then grab champagne
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  Speaker 2: on the way and went to Shannon's room.
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  Speaker 1: You were going through you your numbing. I'm sure I.
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  Speaker 2: Had a whole prescription of xanax and I was taking it.
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  Speaker 2: I was taken a half a one almost every day
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  Speaker 2: of filming, yeah, up until then. And then when I quit,
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  Speaker 2: I said I can't, Like I went home. I like,
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  Speaker 2: I can't live like this, Like I'm so sad, I'm
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  Speaker 2: so overworked at this point doing everything. And then Alex
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  Speaker 2: called me, Andy called me, and they're like, we know
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  Speaker 2: you're going through a lot. Take a week off, just
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  Speaker 2: try And even Alex said, can you just like not
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  Speaker 2: even do your podcast, go to Big Beer, just relax
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  Speaker 2: and all that stuff. And I'm like, well, I have
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  Speaker 2: to do my podcast, but you know, that's the least
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  Speaker 2: to my issues right now. It's being around these women.
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  Speaker 2: And then I went and saw Teddy and I was
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  Speaker 2: with Teddy and at that point I had no interest
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  Speaker 2: in going back, and Eddie supported me one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: It was just not good for me at that moment.
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  Speaker 2: And then I talked to Teddy and she's like, get
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  Speaker 2: your ass back out there. She's really She's like, if
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  Speaker 2: I have to deal with what I'm dealing with right now,
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  Speaker 2: this is a no brainer for you. This is easy,
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  Speaker 2: like just go. And then I'm like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: she's right, like, you know, stop just stop feeling what
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  Speaker 2: you're feeling and just go and get your job done
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  Speaker 2: and love on your friend when you can.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you got to create the content, babe.
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  Speaker 2: Well, obviously I'm not myself. So now we are talking
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  Speaker 2: about a fatty photo for four episodes when I didn't
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  Speaker 2: even call it a fatty photo.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's wild is looking at that photo. She
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  Speaker 1: definitely does look different, Jen. Yeah, but I mean Gina
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  Speaker 1: is the one that labeled it a fatty photo. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, now, she's not even fat in it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: she's not fat.
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  Speaker 2: She had been coming to my gym. I met her
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  Speaker 2: at my gym. That's how I originally was introduced to her.
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  Speaker 2: She started coming to my gym, she was teaching yoga.
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  Speaker 2: She was not fat. She was heavier than she is now,
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  Speaker 2: but that by no means fat. She's very very thin.
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  Speaker 2: She's got an amazing body right now. She's always had
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  Speaker 2: an amazing body, but now she's very very thin.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I was more trying to explain to her without
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  Speaker 2: breaking the fourth wall that I feel like she kind
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  Speaker 2: of honed in on me and started going to my
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  Speaker 2: gym and doing all these things and fitness com to
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  Speaker 2: me because she was a janet. Okay, she wanted to
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  Speaker 2: be on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wait, that's interesting. Can we deep dive into that?
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  Speaker 1: Is that how you feel about Janet on the Valley?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's what everyone says. I don't know. I just
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  Speaker 2: talking about what people say. I don't know exactly, but
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  Speaker 2: that's how I feel. When I feel. When I hear
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  Speaker 2: the other girls talking about it and how it went down,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's exactly how I feel.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, quick pause because we need to talk about something
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  Speaker 1: that is very, very important. This segment is sponsored biden Itza,
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  Speaker 1: and we're reminding you to celebrate responsibly this Labor Day.
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  Speaker 1: Drinking and driving will change your entire world. Whether you
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  Speaker 1: get pulled over or get into a crash, things will
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: never be the same. Getting a sober ride will change
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: the world for the better. Drive sober or get pulled over.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially if you're planning to hit any parties this weekend.
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  Speaker 3: Listen up, all right. I know people love to kick
• 9:49
  Speaker 3: back with the drink or something else, but driving under
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  Speaker 3: the influence not cool.
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  Speaker 1: No, it is definitely not. I've been sober since twenty eighteen,
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: and let me tell you, holidays like Labor Day have
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: a whole new meaning for me. Now they used to
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: be about utter chaos, a lot of cocktails, waking up
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: the next morning like what did I do all the
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: anxiety in the world. Now it's all about connection and
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: clarity and honestly, some really bomb mocktails.
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  Speaker 3: I can vouch for that. The watermelon mint one you
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  Speaker 3: made last year, well.
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: You know I love me some watermelon. Yes, that one
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: is one of my go tos for like summer parties.
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  Speaker 1: It's just fresh watermelon juice, a splash of lime, a
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: little agave and fresh mint. You muddle that all together,
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  Speaker 1: pour it over crushed ice, and a boom. Nobody's even
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  Speaker 1: thinking about alcohol.
• 10:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, but let's be real for a second. Drinking and
• 10:47
  Speaker 3: driving will change your whole world. Whether you get pulled over,
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: god forbid, you hurt someone or yourself, things will never
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: be the same.
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  Speaker 1: It's just not worth it. If you're going out this
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: Labor Day, have a play before the party starts, be
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: the designated driver, grab a ride share, stay over, do
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  Speaker 1: literally anything but get behind the wheel impaired. There are
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: so many other options.
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: And hey, if you're hosting, set the tone, stalk your
• 11:16
  Speaker 3: party with mocktail options. Make sure your friends have safe
• 11:20
  Speaker 3: ways to get home be.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: That host totally. I actually linked some of my favorite
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: mocktail recipes in the show notes, so check those out.
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: They're festive, they're fun, and way more chic than sloppy
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: drunk energy. It's just not cute, you guys, and let's
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: celebrate this labor day with love, laughs, and the best
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: mocktails period. So let me tell you, or let me
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  Speaker 1: ask you this. Who gave Jen's name for production to
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  Speaker 1: even hone in on her to be a housewife.
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  Speaker 2: So having a business, they would come to me cut
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  Speaker 2: fitness and they said, do you have any names of
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  Speaker 2: anybody that wants to try out for your shoh? And
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  Speaker 2: so I asked the girls. I'm like, hey, you know
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  Speaker 2: what they're asking. Jen said yes, Tatiana, who's Gina's friend,
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  Speaker 2: said yes. And it's the reason why Gina's on the
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: show is because Tatiana tried out. Wow, and then a
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: few other girls. So I gave their name. This was
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  Speaker 2: when this is before Braunwin was cast on the show.
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  Speaker 1: What that was years ago?
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  Speaker 2: Years ago?
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  Speaker 1: And so they finally reached out to Jen.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess they reached out to her and they
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: passed on her. They brought braun went on, and then
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how many times. You know, sometimes they
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: go through their rolodex at people and go like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: let me ask her, let me see her. They go
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  Speaker 2: through people that have filmed with you and all this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So I hadn't talked to her in a while, like
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  Speaker 2: quite a while.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this really quickly. Was she still
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  Speaker 1: married to her ex husband at the time. Yes, at
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  Speaker 1: the time, okay, yes, yes, So.
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  Speaker 2: I never gave her name ever again, never said anything
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  Speaker 2: to Castine about anybody. And then years later, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I get phone our text message saying, hey, the show's
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: reaching out to me, and I'm like, oh, well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: try out could be good for you. I know that's
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: what she's always wanted, right, And I didn't have any
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  Speaker 2: hard feelings for her, but we just weren't close, okay,
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  Speaker 2: So you know, so she tried out, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: and I like with anybody, I'm like, whatever help you need,
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  Speaker 2: just let me know, I'll help you. But she came on,
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  Speaker 2: and then it was always like, oh, we were best friends,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, we went to a like I invited
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  Speaker 2: you to a few things, but you came to my
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  Speaker 2: gym every day, and I appreciate that. And you spent
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  Speaker 2: a lot of money at my gym. But by no
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  Speaker 2: means were we best friends?
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  Speaker 1: I think, and I say this with love, I think
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  Speaker 1: she is a tad stunted. I think in her mind,
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  Speaker 1: maybe you guys were best friends. And you know, she's
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  Speaker 1: never really been on her own. She's got this new guy,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't want to I don't want to catch
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  Speaker 1: a case by bringing him up.
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  Speaker 2: I I good idea.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I truly think that she she has She's
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  Speaker 1: very she feels very young to me, like I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I'm much younger than her, and I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I could actually coach her in life. I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to disagree so to her benefit, giving her the benefit
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  Speaker 1: in her mind, her mind, I truly believe she was
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  Speaker 1: like we were very close, we were best friends, because
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  Speaker 1: I think someone who stays she was a stay at
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  Speaker 1: home mom, right, for many years she was a stay.
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  Speaker 2: At home mom. And then when I met her, when
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  Speaker 2: she started kind of my gym around the time when
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  Speaker 2: that picture was taken, she was teaching yoga at a
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  Speaker 2: different yoga studio and she was training at our studio
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  Speaker 2: as well. Okay, gat trading so she was putting the
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: work in, Like you know, I'm proud of her for
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  Speaker 2: all the hard work that she put in and transforming
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  Speaker 2: her body. And we trained her to do a fitness
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  Speaker 2: competition and she looks amazing and she won. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, she looks great. Yeah, she looks great. And and
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  Speaker 1: you know, I can only imagine having what does she have,
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  Speaker 1: like six kids, your home, you know, cooking, cleaning. You
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  Speaker 1: don't have a lot of time to sit here and go,
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  Speaker 1: you know what. I want to get to the gym
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  Speaker 1: by the time you're done with the day. Help.
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  Speaker 2: She had a lot of help. She was at my
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: gym like two hours a day.
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  Speaker 1: Fuck. Oh she got the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she had the time. She has a lot of help.
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  Speaker 1: Do you find that she and confessionals does not. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't align with what she's said to your face.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: I think she's been she stepped it up this year.
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  Speaker 2: I think she's more vocal. I don't necessarily her and
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  Speaker 2: I are a lot different. She likes to play victim
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: on things and drag things out. And for me, if
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: someone's like, you know, here's a here's a picture of
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  Speaker 2: you when I met you, I'm like, ah, I look
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  Speaker 2: like I look like shit, and I would move on,
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I wouldn't be sitting there going,
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  Speaker 2: oh my every episode like I'm different like that. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: move on, I don't care what you say is not
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  Speaker 2: affecting me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you've got the grit. You've been through shit in
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: your life and you yeah, you pick and choose your battles.
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  Speaker 1: And I totally I get that. I was shocked to
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: see Gretchen back on the.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: TV, and not as shocked as I was, but.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: I saw that post about friendship bracelets that you did
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: dust off the friendship bracelets.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was May being sarcastic. It's really too best.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: And then it clicked to me and I'm like, what
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: was the reasoning for her being brought on? And do
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: you think that she's gonna be like on our screens every.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Single you know what? I never know what prov was
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: gonna do. I was shocked she was ever brought back.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: But here we are and here she is, and we
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: all I can do is deal with it the best
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: I can.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: Do.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: You guys, ever get to a good place this season.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: I try, I try all season long to get to
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: a better place with her, and you'll see as it
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: goes on, I have no interest in talking about things
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: from fifteen years ago.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Right, so much has happened.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so much has happened since then. And if anything,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: after she was let go, she spent a decade coming
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: after me, coming after my husband, contacting my daughter, like,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: doing all these things. I mean, up until probably two
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: months before she filmed, she was doing a podcast about me,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: and I had not seen her or talked about her
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: in years. The only time I've ever said anything is
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: when his son passed away and the mother put out
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: a statement in TMZ and me and Teddy read it
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: in our headlines.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: That was it. But that's what you guys do. People
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: should know by what the podcast is about. Yeah, yep,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: and it's still you read something. You were simply the messenger.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: So you they love to shoot the messenger. You didn't
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: label it a fatty photo. You're paying for that.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Oh I know, I know, and it's irritating, But you know,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: she comes out, she makes this post. I made zero
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: false allegations about Slade in my podcast. I'll be more
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: than happy to put it on my social so everybody
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: can hear it. I then go back to the episode.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know it's quite a few years ago. It's
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: like you said, it's a headline. Teddy read the headline.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: I gave Teddy some backstory because she had no idea
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: because she didn't watch the show. I never called him
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: a deadbeat dad, nothing like that. I also said Slade,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: you know, this is Slade's Sun and that's hard and
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: it's sad. And I promoted to the I mean, I
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: promoted the go Find Me and Teddy and I donated
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: one thousand dollars.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I think that's very nice.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: She's like she wants to find any fault in me
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: that she can find, and it's it's exhausting to me
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: because I'm like, girl, move on.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Has she always been a Bible bumper? No?
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I think this is just I just don't trust anything
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: she does. Everything's very performative, very performative.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I saw this thing online and you had posted you
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: leaving where you're in the car, and she has a
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: rebuttal for you with you saying I guess I need
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: to get a dui in order to get grace or
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: or something like that. Yes, And she wrote a very
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: very lengthy response to it.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: It was so long I couldn't even read it. Somebody
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: sent it to me.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god, it was very She's harboring a
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: lot of animosity towards you, and I've been in this
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: space for quite some time, and it is crazy because
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: the outside world wants to call us all hypocrites, right,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: But on the flip side, it's like, yeah, well that's
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: just being a person where we all have moments of
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: hypocrisy for sure, And you're my friend, but I'm always
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: gonna shoot it to you straight. With this one, I didn't.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't quite understand it because what you were saying
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: was actually very correct. I mean, let's just call it
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: what it is. Shannon got into a car, thank god,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: no one died, okay, and a lot of people rallied
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: around her, a lot the whole Bravo universe rallied around her.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I know, I don't understand, and maybe you can, you know,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: shed some light on this. Why is it that you
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: are so easy for people to talk about your past.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: It's brought up every chance they get. But then with
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the Shannon situation, it was so delicately handled, which great,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I'm in the program, I understand, but she continued to drink.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: The roles were reversed, Tamra, they would have your head
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: on a platter. Let's just call it what it is.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: They would be killing me, killing me, And it comes up.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's going to be shared, but
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Gina talks about how I'm held to a different standard
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: within this group. Everybody else can do things and say things,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: but if I do it, oh my god, I mean
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: you would think like I hunted human beings for fun,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Like it's like crazy, It's crazy. And it's the point
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: now where I'm like what, I just don't know if
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I can do this anymore, honestly.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: And maybe I'm Maybe people will say I'm watching a
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: different show, but I feel like you're you're held to
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I feel like they're held to a different standard. I've
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: like behavior is kind of shaken off.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's because you're more intense? I have.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I am intense, But this is the funny thing is
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: like I haven't really been intense this season. I've been
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: kind of down and out. And last year, yeah, I
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: spoke my mind about Shannon and Forgretchen to say you
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: had no compassion for your friend, yeah I did. I
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: was there for her after I got home from Scotland.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: I was talking to her. We were doing the Trace
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: a Mega show. We went to Brava Khan. She walked
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: the red carpet and said, me and Vicky have helped
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: her through this, you know. And then it was I
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: found out that she was saying some really nasty things
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: behind my back, and I said, you know what, I'm
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: not doing this anymore. Like here, I am being your
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: friend doing this trace of Mega show, which.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to do.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're saying bad things about me. Forget it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: I'm done, right, I'm done. So I had to cut
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: that friendship off. I mean, and we work together on
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: the show. So when it came out. Was I the
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: nicest to her? No, But it was irritating to know
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: everything that I've gone through ten years prior with her,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: and know about all the drinking and all the stuff
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: that I will never repeat, and to see her keep drinking.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I cannot imagine. It's hard. No, it is hard, especially
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: when you see everyone rallying around someone and kind of
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: enabling the behavior. I don't know if Shannon has a
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: drinking problem that's self diagnosed, but to see people handle
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: you in such a rigid way, during one of the
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: most difficult times you'll ever have in your life. Like,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: my heart really does go out to you, and you
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: have been mellow. I'm like, where's where's Tam? I know
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: where you are, and I think you gave them exactly
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: what they wanted at that New Orleans dinner where you
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: were where you were sloshed.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I mean to me, it's difficult because I can't hold
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: the whole show all the time. No, and they want
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: to like pick on every word I say to make it,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: you know, a storyline. But yet other people say things
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: far worse, like if I would have said, what with
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: the what was it the Gretchen said to Shannon, well
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: some you know, DUI's illegal?
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Oh you would have been.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. I would have been annihilated. It would
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: have been talked about for the next, you know, ten episodes.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: It's like it's exhausting.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I I can well, I can imagine I know that
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: feeling where you're like, I'm getting all the heat. But
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: without this, what are we going to talk about? Truthfully?
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I don't so at what point do do you stop
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: going back and forth with Gretchen knowing you're never going
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: to win, especially on social media, so my.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Post was not about Gretchen, not at all, not not
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: not about Gretchen. Let me just be quite honest. I
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: don't want anything from Gretchen. I don't want grace. I
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: don't want sympathy. I don't expect it from Gretchen or
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: gen because they're like to peas in a pod. I
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: don't expect or want it. Where I want it from
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: is you know, my good friends like Emily Gin and Heather,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: and Heather has been very very kind to me and
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: has been through this with the process with me and
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Terry being a doctor, he'd be got on the phone
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: with me in the very beginning when Teddy got sick
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: and talk to me about things. And because you get
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of information and you're like, don't know how
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: to process it. Then you get online, you start googling
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: it and you're like, oh my god. And then so
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Terry would talk to me. So they were always there
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: for me. Yeah. So I understand Heather's frustration with me
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: at in New Orleans because I you know, I heard
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: it wasn't very nice to her. So so as a viewer,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: we loved it. I wasn't very nice to her. But
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: you know, when I text her, I'm like, you know,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I heard I wasn't very nice to you. I'm so sorry.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: You don't deserve that. And you know when I do
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: come back, you know, I'm gone a week, so I'll
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: be interested to see if I'm even off one episode.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: And if I'm not, that's very telling.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know how. I mean, you're kind of
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: the main source of every storyline, so I think that's
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: going to be kind of You're going to have to
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: be drawn in in some way.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see, we'll see. I don't know. I'm expecting
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: not to be in the next episode, so I'll probably
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: watch it.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: But what is different with your relationship with Heather than
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: the rest of the women? Why is there something about
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: her that because she calls you on your shit, Tam,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah she does.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: But I you know, I love Heather. Heather comes from
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: a place of kindness. I mean, Heather have had arguments,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: but we always have resolution. And I care about her
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: and I care about her family, and she cares about
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: you know, my family, Like every birthday. She's the first
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: one I get a text message one my anniversary. She
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: was in my wedding, and she's the first one that
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: will text us like she's just a very kind person.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: But you know, we're also filming the show together, and
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: if I do something that's out of line, I expect
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Heather to call me back, call me out like I
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: do for anybody.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Else, and it's you know that it's not for just
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the show, because you guys have a relationship even when
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: cameras are down. Yeap. What is it like going into
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: a reunion for you? Do you have like a prep
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: that you go through? Do you make notes? I want
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to know everything from like are you bringing receipts? To
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: what is it like to get yourself esthetically ready?
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I have in the past definitely had folders with receipts,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: and I you know, I think if you're being accused
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: of something, you have receipts, like bring them right right?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: And then there's been season where I don't need them
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: or I bring them and I don't.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Use them, you know.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: So as of now, like I don't know, I don't
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: know what I'm going to do because I haven't seen
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: the whole season play out, and I know that I'm
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: gonna have to watch all the episodes. There's two episodes
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: so far I haven't watched. I know I'm gonna have.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: To watch them one of which ones have you not watched?
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I didn't watch second episode because I saw a clip.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: It was Gretchen's for her entrance with Ryan and Jen
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: and you know Katie and Matt. I thought, oh god,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: it's just gonna be Tamra bashing.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I just think I'm fast forwarded through that.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: That says a lot. Yeah, and then the last one
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I haven't watched.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: So one thing, I know that feeling. You're like, I
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: want it to be out there. I either have to
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: see it very far in advance so I can go
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: through the emotions and by the time people are talking
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: about it, I'm like, Hugh, that was a million live
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: times ago. Yeah, or I have to watch it very
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: far in the future.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Right. So I just wait for my assistant to watch it,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: and then he tells me, like he gives me the
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: highlights of what I'm waiting now. Job, I want to
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: be your assistant, so that that's what I do now.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, just give me bullet points, what did
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I do? What did I say? I don't have to
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: worry about who said what about me because I lived it.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: You know, you know how it goes you live it right,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Bar is getting ready for the reunion, and we all
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: do our shit, like let's get a botox, you know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: we have to get our roots done and all that
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: But damn, I like this season is fucking epic. I
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: do want to know. Does Eddie ever have a sit
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: down where you guys, you're thinking about, you know, sending
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: you back into the lions Den, where he's said to you, like,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: are we sure that this is the right move, because Tim,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: you don't need the you don't need the show any long.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: No, I don't anymore, that's for sure. Financially, I do
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: not know. I you know, we do have a sit down,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: and of course you never know what's gonna air, right,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: You never know or how it's going to be put together. Yeah,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: you know what shown what's not shown? So and I
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: think it is after I come home, I know, Like
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: the first thing I do is I go to a therapy.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I also talk with the show's therapist, psychiatrist.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Is this all? Is this all shown? Are you? Are
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: you breaking the fourth wall a lot this season?
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Well, my therapy session, my first one when I originally
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: get home, that one, there was no cameras on me.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: But then a few days later, I or maybe a
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: week later, I do film one a you know, like
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: a week later. Yeah, so on camera. But as far
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: as you know, you know how it goes. As psychiatrists,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: they want to make shows. They want to make sure
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: you're okay and how to do like one of those
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: five hundred questioned surveys and then get re evaluated from that.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: And she had diagnosed me as being very self critical,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: being severely depressed. She thought that I should go on
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I think it was like lexapro or something like that,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: and so yeah, so I had to go through that.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: So it wasn't like I just got home and it
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: was like okay, you know, because I did go to
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Big Bear. I got home, I went and saw Teddy,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: we talked, we did a podcast together at her house.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: And then the next day I went to Big Bear
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: and I just zoned out, relaxed, laughed, had fun. We
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: had a snow blizzard going on. I was playing in
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: the snow with a dog and just kind of sleeping.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I slept so much and I just kind of regrouped.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: And then finally because Heather had reached out to me,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I believe from New Orleans, and you know a week
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: had gone by and I hadn't responded to her, so
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I said, thank you, I'm okay now, you know, I'm
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: doing much better, and then we filmed together. She's the
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: first one I filmed with.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: That's a I think that that is a great comeback scene,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: someone who you're comfortable with. I think so often people
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: who are watching the show forget that this is such
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: a small part of our lives that we're filming. And
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I love that you were able and that production and basking.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: They said, go and take care of yourself. Live. As
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: much as the reality portion filming a show is real life,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: it's a group of women who are going through their
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: ups and downs. There is quite a huge difference, at
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: least for me, my reality versus my reality.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I think if people don't understand, like
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: people process things differently, and for me, I am the
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: I'm learning. I am the type of the person that
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: just sweeps everything under the rug and then I have
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: big meltdowns, you know, once a year or whatever. And
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: pain for me is very very hard to process. I
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: feel like when something hurts me, I legit feel like
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I want to die.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Oh damn. I just like, you know, I just I
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: want to die.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: That's all that I can think of, Like how can
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I die? How can I die? And that's like, you know,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: after I came back, like I just kept thinking like
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I can't do this anymore. I can't. I just felt
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: so bad. And I know that it's maybe it's not
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the normal way of processing things, but that's how I did.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Was not raised to talk about things. Yeah, you know,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: it's like I was. I always say like I was
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: raised in the air, like don't cry. You want to cry,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: I'll give you something to cry about, you know. So
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: it was you know, I don't I'm not good at that.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: And I know I'm not good at that.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think people give you. I don't think people
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: understand that you lash out and I can. I feel
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: like I can say this because I do the exact
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: same thing, but I do that almost as a level
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: of protection for myself. Yeah, I'm extremely sensitive, and the
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: talks that we've had outside of all of this, I
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: know that you're the exact same way. And when someone
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: hurts me to my core, I go in guns blazing,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: and then I go home and I beat myself up
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: for hours, days, months on end.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: YEP that's how I am too. And if I could
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: tell you how many times one of the cast members
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: said something to me that hurt my feelings and then said, God,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I'm just so not used to you being sensitive. And
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, maybe I'm not the most sensitive person.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: You don't think, maybe there's this hard exterior, but I
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: am human, right, like I'm a human being. Like what
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: do you expect?
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Else?
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if you're going to relate to this,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: But there are so many times where people will say,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: fill me a show, have said things to me that
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: have hurt me, but I choose not to make a
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: big deal about it. I choose to sweep it under
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: the rug. Yeah, But then when I say something and
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: because they make it such a big deal, then I'm
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: left as the asshole.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: At all times. That well, that's how the show goes
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: for me. Every single year. I don't dwell on things,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: like people have said things about me. I don't dwell
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: on them. But yet I say one thing and we're
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: talking about it for five episodes.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: It almost makes you. It almost makes you want to
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: flip the script and go, you know what, every time
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: you hurt my feelings, I'm gonna bring it up.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Well that's how I feel, you know what I mean, Like,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: I think that way, but it's not in my demeanor.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: It's not who I am.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: You'd before to change who you are exactly.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I would have to be forced to do that, and
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: it doesn't feel natural for me. So that's why people
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: are like, oh, well, look at all the things she's
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: done to Gretchen. I got done anything to Gretchen. Nothing, nothing,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: you know what dead beat dad? It was in the press.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: If my husband wasn't paying child support and it was
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: in the press, do you think nobody's gonna bring it up?
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I think that anyone. It's not just slid. I think
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: anyone who's not paying child support is considered a dead
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: beat dad. Right, that's just definition.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: But they act like I just pulled it. It was like
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: like last year with the was the last year I
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: think the FBI. I didn't just pull it out of
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: my ass like it was out there. It came out right,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: you know. So it's like, how dare you? How dare
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I'm still talking about stuff like that. I'm like, move on, right,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: And I feel like when people get stuck on things
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: from the past, it's because they're true.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: M Yeah, it's anyone who has to pull out the
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: history books every time you do something wrong. And then
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: there and then you try to say you've hurt me before, Well,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: what have I done? I don't know, because I'm not
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: a psychopath, and I don't keep a list of things
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: that you've done. I've moved on. I've moved on. But
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I can guarantee you you've hurt me at some point,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: and you're welcome for never bringing it up and wasting
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: your fucking time like you've wasted mine for the past
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: five years exactly.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I can't imagine Eddie going on and on
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: about to this day about Gretchen and Slade doing podcasts
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: and coming on Vicky, going to Vicky's birthday party, you know,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: doing a cameo there saying Eddie's gay. Could you imagine
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: him just going they hurt my feelings, they said I
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: was gay.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: But by the way, if you were to bring that up,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: which is another massive like you just don't do that.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: If you brought that up, I think the women and
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the audience would tell you to get the fuck over it.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: It happened so long ago, I know, exactly exactly. It's
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: enough to make you feel like you're going insane.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, I feel like I'm going insane, honestly.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Like why are we?
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: And that's why I don't want to watch the episodes
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: right now, because the first part of the season was
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: really difficult. When I come back, you will see a
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: little bit of a change in me. I'm very a
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: little bit of a change, yes, so it you know,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I have some ups and downs still, but I'm stronger
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: and I'm not putting up with shit.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Good, I'm glad. I love you just the way you
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: are and I'm not trying to kiss your ass. I
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: think I feel like I'm looking at me and I
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: think you're a bad bitch. And I like knowing what
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I'm getting with people.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you talked about Katie earlier. There's something
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: about her that you know, I'm like, she's hurt, Like
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: there's hurt in her because you know, I know she
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: had talked about being adopted and you know, being raised
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: in a mostly Caucasian area and the hate that she
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: got and all this stuff. And I don't really know
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: where she stands now with her adopted parents, but you know,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: she to me that I could spot it. I'm like,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think this is who she is. I think
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: this is like a trauma response or something. I might
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: be completely wrong, maybe I'm going through too much therapy.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: No, but I am said, right, Yeah, I love what
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: you said because I think one of the truest things
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: that she has said this season. I don't know if
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: you've watched this episode, you guys, are she had you
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: and you're doing like dumplings or the hot pot hop? Yeah? Yes, yes,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: And she said I thought this was a situation where
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: it was eat or be eaten. And I think coming
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: onto a show like this, it's very well known now,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like back when I started, I like,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I watched, but it's it's a cultural phenomenon now just
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Bravo as a whole. Like if you don't watch, you
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: still know it.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I do.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I think I felt that to my core is she's
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: going into the lion's den and if she doesn't fucking
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: like come in ready to eat, then she's gonna be eaten. Yeah.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not excusing any bad behavior whatsoever, but
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: I just see something, you know deeper.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that the way it is with all of us? Though?
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: We all. We all come into life based off of
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: our experiences. You coming in and not knowing how to
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: process emotion and how you were raised. You know, as
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: as a grown woman, now you're having to learn how
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: to do things that were not normal as a kid.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: That's where you learn all of your your life's scare tools.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Yep, your product of your development, your product of your environment.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: And you know, I'm much older than you, but back
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: in the day, like my household. I don't know if
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: it's every household, but my house and we do need
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: to talk about stuff like we're like, yeah, you're fine,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: did you die?
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: You're good. I think I think it was a I
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: think it's a part. It's a generational thing, like I
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: know many women. My mother has told me, like, it's
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: weird for me to have my daughter doing reality television
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: where she talks about everything. I was not raised that way.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: We were. You put on a front and everything that's
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: at home you keep in the home, and we don't
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: talk about feelings. I think that that is very normal,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: and I hope that I can break the cycle. I'm
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: sure you're well, you are breaking the cycle.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I'm absolutely breaking the cycle for my children.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I love seeing you with your daughter.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Ah, my daughter, Sophia. I mean I wish Spencer would film,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: but he's so shy. Yeah, and he filmed one year
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: after he turned eighteen in p Bull just said such
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: horrible things on social media and he's like, Mom, I
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: just can't do it. Like he's just the sweetest boy.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: And I go, I get it. I totally get it.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Every year I ask him and he's like, you know
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: the answer, Mom, I don't want to. I respect what
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: you do, but it's not for me. And Sophia, like,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: she's a natural performer. This girl, she's been performing since
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: she was two years old. She's just all she wants
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: to be on stage and she wants to sing. And
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: we were going through some old videos yesterday, I mean
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Eddie and we were literally doubled over. These are videos
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know. He download them off a old computer,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: my old computer. She literally was making like her own YouTube,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: you know, like you the computer would come on and
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: all you'd see was a chair and she'd come up
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: and she'd be like, Hi, I'm Sophia, how are you
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: doing out there? And she would like give you a
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: whole show. There must have been a hundred videos, which
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: and how.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Old was she?
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Five and six?
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Oh my god? How about was she have those?
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I know? And she's so funny and she was singing
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: and hey guys, it just dropped my first single.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Oh she's prepping. She prepped for startom? Yes? Yes, how
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: does she handle trolls? She seems like a bad bitch?
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Am I allowed to say that? Sorry?
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, she's a bit. My daughter's a bad bitch. Yeah,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: she is a bad bitch.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: She she doesn't give a fuck.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: She doesn't give a fuck. She doesn't. I think though,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: you know, there's certain things like she said to me,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: She's like, damn, these Bravo fans are brutal.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Been this brutal?
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: No, I think social media has gotten so bad, like
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: it's just in the toilet as far as I'm concerned,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Like I've I've read some even about Teddy, Like I'm
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: just like, who says stuff like that?
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: They're fucked up?
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Like why would you say something like that? And it's
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: you know, it's a it's a platform now that people
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: can buy bots to attack you, and you know it's
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: just it's dirty.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's dirty.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: You know, Well, what I do on social media is.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I go through my stories, I'll reply to some of
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: my dms, but when it comes like I try not
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: to like read the comments I have Cayden on my
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: social media. I'm like, you deal with it. I don't
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: want to deal with it. Yeah, it's really gotten to
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: the point where and then Facebook, now we have all
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: these fake AI stories that are out there.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I know, did you hear I'm joining Southern Charm? Oh
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: you are well?
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Did you know that my husband has a gambling problem
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: and that we're getting divorced every other month? And oh
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: my god, like it's we live in separate lives, and
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: it's just ridiculous.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: It's scary. It is scary out there. I stay off.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: In fact, I loved my podcast podcast page because the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: comments were always just they stuck to the script. Yea,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: they commented on the video at hand, very productive, fun.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: And now I've got trolls there and I'm like, go
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: away and get the Do I stop talking? No, because
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: this is a podcast. Am I really having to explain
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: how a fucking podcast works? And I took the time
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: to do it. I took the time to respond, you
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: know what I have to.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: I try to keep my social media pretty positive. It's
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: about my podcast, it's about my dog, it's about my husband.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: You know. I don't post my kids a lot or
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: my granddaughter, but you know, once in a while I do.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: But you know, it's just that one day where you're
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: in a shit ass mood and you're like you just
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: want to pop off? Yeah, you want to pop off.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: They they're not very frequent, but when I do, I
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: have a heyday and then I go, why did I
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: do that? You know what? No?
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, even yesterday? Stop, yeah, even yesterday.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I woke up in the morning and I saw that
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: clip where it's like they're all making fun of me,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: and then I put like, what do I have to
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: get a DUI? Then after I posted it, I'm like,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: why did I do that? I shouldn't have done that.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: That was too impulsive. But now it's out there, Shit,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: what do I do? So I think by midday, I'm
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: like take it down.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right enough where people might think that it expired.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Because what's even worse than putting it out there is
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: doing it and someone being like she deleted it.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like my assistant who's like the opos, He's like,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: stop doing that, don't post, don't post anything. Just be quiet.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Oh it's so hard for that.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I know, I know, I know, I know.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Somebody sends you something, don't comment on it. I'm like, okay,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: too late, you're said than done.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: You're a little too late.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: I go, I'm going to stick to Facebook if I
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: need to like. And he's like, Facebook comments are worse,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: they're old, mean people.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Do you ever get on Reddit?
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: You know what? Just recently because my assistants like, check
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: this out on Reddit, and I'm like, oh my god, Nally,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: do you.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Like Reddit better? I don't go on Reddit. I've never
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: looked at up myself on Reddit. They are viscous?
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Are they vicious?
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: This was about a topic that was pro me, so
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: maybe I've liked it, you know.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, give me all the proms. I'll read the
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: pro me.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: That's the only one that I saw. So I I'm like, oh, well,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: maybe Rudd it's better. I don't know. I don't have
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: the app on my phone. Isn't it like an app?
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't get it. Don't get it, but just have
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: your assistant show you all things pro you that like
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: keeps your spirits high. I want to leave on a
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: very high note. How is your grand baby? She is good?
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: She is good.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: It's a funny story is I went over to visit
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: her with her mom because they live right down the street,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: and so went over and I bought her a La
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Boo boo. Okay, what I thought was a la booboo.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: And I brought it to her and I she opens
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: it up and she looked at me and she's like, Grandma,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: this is a lot fufou. And I'm like it's fake,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: and she's like, duh, it's fake. How old is she ten?
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, she's ten already ten?
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, and you got it. See, I would know the
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: difference between I don't know the difference.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I bought it online from that pop mark
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: or pop whatever it's called. Yeah, yeah, I thought it
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: was real.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: And so can I ask you how much you spent
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: on it?
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: It was like forty five dollars really, but I bought
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: three of them. Oh shit, you know it's forty five
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: or something like that.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, the La booboo craze, I will never understand.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I was out at dinner with Janet and she was like,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: my dealer's coming, and I was like, I'm not doing
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: it's Monday. Like, if this is like a party vibe,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not into it. She was like, I don't do drugs.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: It's my laboo boo dealer. I was like, that's a thing.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Now, Oh my god. We went on one. I only
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: the first time I saw one was it went out
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: for Teddy's birthday in July, or maybe it was the
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: end of August. We went a couple of days early
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: before birthdays till I first, and then it was a
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: bunch of her girlfriends. She's got the most amazing girlfriends
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: and you know, out in the valley and so I
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: she got one, and I'm like, oh my god, everybody
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: was going crazy and they're pulling their bags out and
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: they have them on there. I felt the need that
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I had to get one. Oh and so then I
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: go and order it in. They're fake, you know. One
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: of her friends is like, I had to drive to Anaheim,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I had to wait in line.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: I know they're like a craze, but I refuse, Tamra,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I can't have one more fucking weird thing that I
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: have to store at my house.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Well here's the thing. They'll be out of style and
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: nobody will care in six months.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I agree, like, I'm not in teeny babies. Oh God,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: don't get me start on the fucking beanie babies that
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: my mom had me. Never take the tag off of Yeah.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Cut to where we are now and like, how much
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: is it worth? She's like twenty five bucks. I'm like, yeah,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: not worth it.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Good job we stored them fifteen twenty years.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Here we are, we stored them. I'm so happy that
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: you did this today. I really appreciate it.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I am too, And how much fun.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Don't let anybody tell you that you're not fucking fantastic.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoy watching you on TV.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Because I beat myself down and I always think, like,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: every year, this is it. I'm getting fired. Every year
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: I think that, no, they don't like me. Fans don't
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: like me, the cast doesn't like me. Production must you know, Like,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I'm very close to production, and you know, they've always
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: been very kind to me. I'm always very good to them.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: But you know, you never know what Bravo thinks. And
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: I'm like, no, God, what if they read this comment,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: they really think I'm this horrible person.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I have learned that they don't give one shit about
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: the comment.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Section. Yeah, no, I've heard that. They're the ones that
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: told me listen, no one cares. It's three percent of
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: the overall viewers in the world. It's three percent the
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: people are saying. So that's where I actually heard that from.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: So now all the haters we can say, Okay, three percent,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: fuck right off. Yeah, not a waste of time. You're
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: the best. I love you, I.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Love you too.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Have the best day you too. Thank you guys for
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: listening to another episode of the Give Them La La Podcast.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I will catch you on Monday for the bonus episode
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: and again next week. Bye.