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- 0:08Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the first of May twenty twenty four, just
- 0:11after one o'clock. Welcome to UK Colin News. I'm your host Mike Robinson
- 0:14joining me in the studio today, Charles Mall Welcome to the program. Charles,
- 0:16thank you, right and from Damascus, Vanessa, Billy and Vanessa.
- 0:20We're going to get started today with assisted dying because on Monday in the House
- 0:24of Colins, some MPs decided to get together and have a discussion about how
- 0:30they can dispatch us even quicker. A big good afternoon everyone, and I'm
- 0:36very sorry that I'm bringing Matt Hancock back to your screens. As Mike said
- 0:42on Monday, MPs they assisted dying after a petition calling for changes to the
- 0:48UK law hits two hundred awesome. So let's have a look at what Matt
- 0:53Hancock put out on x formerly Twitter. For fifty years, we've had a
- 0:59legal choice over who to love. For a decade, we've had a legal
- 1:03choice over who we can marry. The time has come for Parliament to vote
- 1:07on changing the law to allow a sister dying to help prevent terminally ill people
- 1:14from suffering very painful death. And again I apologize, but we're just going
- 1:19to roll a video of part of Matt Hancock's speech. We'll have a discussion
- 1:26about his expression after the video. Thanks Mike. And I was also deeply
- 1:34affected and persuaded by my constituent David Mins, and today I had the honor
- 1:40of meeting his son, Matt Mins. David, who has now died.
- 1:47He had was in the awful situation of having a disease that he himself had
- 1:53watched his own daughter die an incredibly painful death. And to those who say
- 2:00palliative care needs to be better and palliative care can be enough, of course
- 2:05it needs to be better, and of course people give their careers to amazing
- 2:09palliative care. But the best paliative care in the world cannot prevent hugely painful
- 2:16deaths for some. So yes, the safeguards are vital. Internationally, we
- 2:23now can see many states in many countries like Australia, that are brought in
- 2:30a narrow and a clear set of rules. But the people I want to
- 2:35have the choice are those facing a painful death when they know that death is
- 2:39coming. With the protections of course for people with disabilities, for those with
- 2:45mental ill health, but making sure that all of us should have the choice
- 2:51when we know, for certain, facing such pain at the end, that
- 2:55we can instead have a dignified and good death. And I know want that
- 3:00choice for myself. I'm sure there might be a queue to respond to his
- 3:07request for that choice for himself. But let's have a look at what people
- 3:12on Twitter came out and basically mobbed his tweet on x I apologize, so,
- 3:20Rustler, you were responsible for a live trial of this back in spring
- 3:23twenty twenty when the UK had fifty thousand excess deaths during lockdown cause not by
- 3:29COVID but by the COVID Response and Treatment Protocols DNR in G one sixty three
- 3:34and of course madazolam, and then another one which was pretty representative of what
- 3:40was being said to him. Obviously, if mat Hancock assisted fifty thousand people
- 3:46to die with his COVID response, then he's going to want it legalized before
- 3:51he'd be charged of depraved indifference, manslaughter and murder. That's an interesting point
- 3:57to be made. Then let's have a look at those that are pushing back
- 4:00against the idea of assisted dying, which of course we've covered extensively in Canada
- 4:08can not killing. An organization that is definitely countering the idea of legitimizing medically
- 4:15assisted death is a UK based organization, and what they're basically arguing, of
- 4:24course, is that it will put pressure on those that are either terminally ill
- 4:29or depressed, some that are homeless, to effectively force them into making a
- 4:35decision to accept medically assisted into their life. Now. Back in twenty twenty
- 4:43one, Matt Hancock calls for more data on end of life care and assisted
- 4:46dying. He apparently addressed an organization, an APPG group called Dying Well that
- 4:53is effectively against assisted dying. If we can just move on there and move
- 5:00on again, because what he basically said in this article, he's endorsed the
- 5:06idea of setting up What Works Center to gather evidence on the quality of paliative
- 5:13care in the UK and informed debate around assisted dying. As I said,
- 5:16he was speaking to the All Party Parliamentary Group on Dying Well. But let's
- 5:23have a look at these What Works centers. This is what he was recommended
- 5:29to gather the evidence on the effectiveness of paliative care and the argument for assisted
- 5:36dying. So the claim is the center will bring together the evidence about the
- 5:42relative impacts on well being of policies and projects, their cost, and the
- 5:46quality of the evidence. The evidence programs have been commissioned by the Economic and
- 5:50Social Research Council on behalf of the What Works Center for Well Being. The
- 5:57Center also has a role to support the developer of their evidence base. They
- 6:02claim that they are independent of government with a clear and relevant policy and delivery
- 6:10process. But let's have a look. This is from the Cabinet Office in
- 6:15November twenty twenty three. The What Works Network Strategy sets out how the Evaluation
- 6:20Task Force Secretariat of the Network expects to deliver its vision over the next five
- 6:26years. And then let's have a look at who's funding them. The centers
- 6:30are funded by a combination of government and non government sources, including the Economic
- 6:34and Social Research Council, the Dormant Asset Scheme and the National Lottery Community Fund.
- 6:43The Evaluation Task Force, as the Secretariat, promotes and supports the independent
- 6:46What Works Network. From the actual strategy document, stronger advocacy for the importance
- 6:54of long term funding and independence of WWCS funding. Aements of the current thirteen
- 7:01WWC's are diverse. For the ten WWC's that have been established as independent organization,
- 7:09but over eighty five percent of their funding comes from government departments, research
- 7:15agencies, or other public bodies, and IT mentions notable exceptions. So I
- 7:21think we again see a government funded evidence producing network that will potentially corroborate government
- 7:31policy. And then I sort of stumbled on this because I was actually looking
- 7:35to see what China and Russia's policy is on assisted dying. In Russia and
- 7:42in China it's currently illegal. And this is one Yizhu, who is a
- 7:49Chinese academic who wrote for Unheard on Matt Hancock's proposal for assisted dying. One
- 7:58only has to consider the experience of the now memory hold Liverpool care pathway,
- 8:03under which patients were starved to death in the name of end of life care
- 8:07to realize the immense potential for abuse of legalized euthanasia within the NHS. Healthcare
- 8:16is ruinously expensive, euthanasia is cheap and value for money. No healthcare administrator,
- 8:22however well intention can ignore utilitarian considerations entirely that the legalization of euthanasia marks
- 8:31will make the moral hazard irresistible. The incontrovertible truth is that at a time
- 8:37of aging populations and strained government budgets. It is absolutely impossible to establish a
- 8:45euthanasia regime that will not be abused, as has happened in every country in
- 8:50which it has been legalized. I think those are pretty strong points that are
- 8:56being made by pretty much everyone that is against the idea of medically assisted dying.
- 9:01It was also interesting to see that Matt Hancock on April the twenty six
- 9:05was pushing that rnaa vaccine technology for cancer. Fantastic to see person personalized cancer
- 9:13treatment available on the NHS using the mRNA vaccine technology that saved so many life
- 9:20during COVID. I hope one day we will look back and say this moment
- 9:24was a turning point in the battle against cancer. And I just want to
- 9:28go back to twenty twenty two, The Right to Life News Matt Hancock to
- 9:33make a documentary on assisted suicide, and in the headline photograph they included a
- 9:39few comments, again from people on Twitter, genuinely frightening. I think you've
- 9:46assisted enough? Is this a parody account? I can't read the rest of
- 9:50them because it's a little bit small for me. Here he's still obsessed with
- 9:54killing people off the care home scandal clearly wasn't enough of a fix for him.
- 10:01And I think it's worth going back to the COVID era. And in
- 10:03twenty twenty, the BBC reported that Matt Hancock was allowing those that were seeking
- 10:13assisted dying in Switzerland to travel even during lockdown. So perhaps that saved some
- 10:20of the cost of madasman or care home death. Yes. Indeed, Vanessa
- 10:31in his little video clip, what was he said? That would of course
- 10:35be protections for disabled and for people with ill health. What was he saying?
- 10:43He was mainly focusing on people that were going to otherwise suffer an extremely
- 10:46painful passing, and that was what he wanted. That was the issue that
- 10:50he wanted to solve. But don't worry, we've got protections in place for
- 10:54these people. Does that mean that they that they don't get to have a
- 10:56pinless passing. I'm not quite sure exactly what this argument was there, but
- 11:01nonetheless, I think, yeah, go on, sorry, No, I
- 11:05was just going to say, nonetheless, his whole demeanor when he was delivering
- 11:11those lines rigged of insinceritly, shall we say he was utterly shifty throughout the
- 11:18entire presentation, as or as I can work out. And of course that's
- 11:22coming hot on the heels of a serious pushback in Canada against assisted dying,
- 11:26where homeless people were effectively being pushed down that route. Depressed people were being
- 11:33pushed down that route, and it was being their desire not to be a
- 11:39burden on relatives, for example, was being exploited and people were being fast
- 11:43tracked down the assisted dying route. So that I think is a very cynical
- 11:50attempt by Hancock to effectively say, well, we won't be doing that.
- 11:54We won't be you know, suggesting to the homeless, the depressed, and
- 12:01the terminally ill who might benefit from palliative care but might be persuaded that they're
- 12:07too much of a burden for their relatives, their family and too much of
- 12:09a cost on the state. I think that's also an extremely important point that
- 12:16was made by the Chinese academic, is that cost effectiveness of this policy will
- 12:24definitely come into play. Indeed, and you know, recently we have hosted
- 12:31a symposium on the issue of deaths in the NHS, and then of course
- 12:35we premiered Jackie devoice documentary Playing God a couple of weeks ago on the same
- 12:43issue. So that's the sort of type of assisted dying that is going on,
- 12:48Charles, whenever there's no law in place, to Alliot, what would
- 12:52the situation be when the breaks come off? Well, I think this is
- 12:54it. I mean, it's totally absurd to suggest that it could be an
- 12:58objective procedure of exactly what, like Vanessa has been saying that there's absolutely no
- 13:03question that other factors would be introduced into the decision making process. And the
- 13:07other thing that jumped out at me was his reference to mental ill health and
- 13:13in effect the conflation of two separate issues, but both under the banner of
- 13:18pain. And when would it come that somebody who's deemed to be in mental
- 13:24pain would then be put forward as a candidate for this so very it's very
- 13:28disturbing. Yes, okay, Well, let's move on then to a reminder
- 13:33about the King's speech from last November, and in the course of the program
- 13:37today, we're going to talk about two pieces of legislation that were on this
- 13:41first to the Investigatory pars Braget's Amendment Bill, which is now the Investigatory pars
- 13:46Braggett's Amendment Act, and we'll talk about that a little later. In the
- 13:48program. But first of all the Data Protection and Digital Information Bill, Because
- 13:54this was tweeted out by Silky Carlo a couple of days ago, New David
- 13:58Davis mp AS today warned that the government's new Bank Snoopers Charter would erode financial
- 14:03privacy like never before in our country and must be dropped. How much longer
- 14:09will you attempt to defend the indefensible mel stride, said Sulky Carlo, And
- 14:13this link to an Express article. Now, in the article, this is
- 14:16what David Davis was saying. Under the proposals, everyone in receipt of money
- 14:22from the government's Department for Working Pensions will be of special interest, including the
- 14:26ten million Breads who receive the state pension. The idea that pensioners should be
- 14:30caught up in the net of this giant financial fishing exercise is completely absurd.
- 14:33So the legislation is going to allow the government access to people's bank accounts and
- 14:39so on. But of course this is the least of the issues here.
- 14:43Now, if we go back again to the I can't remember exactly when this
- 14:48Frequently Asked Questions document was released, but we covered it at the time and
- 14:52there were a number of common claims that the government was attempting to address in
- 14:56their Digital ID FAQ and has related to the legislation that we're talking about here.
- 15:01And the first claim that we talk about is here that the government is
- 15:03creating a mandatory ID card, and they claim that the fact is that the
- 15:07proposed legislation does not include any proposal to create either a digital or physical ID
- 15:13card. The government is committed to making it as easy as possible for people
- 15:16to prove who they are online and access the services that they need without creating
- 15:22mandatory ID cards. And of course this is at the very least misleading.
- 15:26I would say it's possibly more than misleading, because whether they mandate the use
- 15:33of ID cards in law, the mandate the mandatory nature of them is coming
- 15:39through the fact that you're required to have them for accessing government services online because
- 15:46everything is being made digital and many other services, so that is at the
- 15:50very least a misleading statement. Here's another one. This will make it easier
- 15:54for hackers to get hold of my data is the claim, and they say
- 15:58that that the fact is that cybersecurity is a critical priority for the government.
- 16:03We recognize how important it is to protect users and their data and robust measures
- 16:07in place to ensure the security and integrity of online government services and systems.
- 16:12And again, at the very least this is completely misleading because there have been
- 16:18some fairly major incidents of data breaches with in this case millions of children.
- 16:23The data breach four millions of children ruled unlawful, but actually it was a
- 16:27huge amount of data going missing for children in the UK. Another claim that
- 16:33they wanted to debunk in their Digital id FAQ that sharing data in this way
- 16:38will erode my privacy rights, and their claim is that the government has stringent
- 16:44data protection processes in place, all data sharing is compliant with data protection legislation
- 16:49and guidance published by the Information Commissioners Offices will remain the case for any and
- 16:53all data sharing subsequent to the proposed legislation. This again is the very least
- 17:00misleading, if not a complete lie, because when we look at the legislation
- 17:04itself, which is the Data Protection and Digital Information Bill, and we look
- 17:07at the long title, it says a Bill to make provision for the regulation
- 17:11of the provision of information relating to identified or identifiable living individuals, to make
- 17:18provision about services consisting of the use of information to ascertain and verify facts about
- 17:22individuals. To make provision about access to customer data and business data. To
- 17:27make provision about privacy and electronic communications. To make provision about services for the
- 17:32provision of electronic signatures, electronic seals, and other trust services. To make
- 17:36provision about the disclosure of information to improve public service delivery. To make provision
- 17:41for the implementation of agreements on sharing information for law enforcement purposes. To make
- 17:45provision about the keeping and maintenance of registers of births and deaths. To make
- 17:48provision about the information standards for health and social care. To establish the Information
- 17:53Commission. To make provision about oversight for biometric data and for connected purposes.
- 18:00This will allow the broad brush sharing of data like we've never seen it before.
- 18:06This effectively removes data protection in this country in many areas, and not
- 18:11least our medical data. So when they say that it's making provision for medical
- 18:18use of data, we've got to realize that what they intend to do is
- 18:22to export that data. And just one example here, This is a scientific
- 18:29paper from twenty eighteen in fact, and this was discussing the transfer of genomic
- 18:33data to third countries, which is now being enabled by Brexit, because of
- 18:38course, once the UK was out of the EU's data protection regime, the
- 18:44UK could basically do what it wants, and so in fact this legislation enables
- 18:48exactly this, the sharing of medical data with companies outside the UK and particularly
- 18:55in the United States, with impunity and no particular restrictions. Now we're going
- 18:59to come on to the information to the Snippers charter later on in the program,
- 19:04which takes us even further. But this is quite an incredible piece of
- 19:11legislation which needs to be opposed, and I don't think there is the public
- 19:14awareness of what it actually does yet to build that opposition. Charles. In
- 19:21the meantime, Digital Ida in Africa, what's going on there? Yeah,
- 19:25thanks very much, Mike, Yes, I'm good aftenoon all changing continence,
- 19:27but effectively the theme is the same. And as we can stask ourselves with
- 19:32every initiative like this that concerns Africa, is it really an African initiative and
- 19:37is it really for the benefit of African So we start with the announcement from
- 19:41Kenya the Cabinet Secretary a whileo advocating for an integrated African Digital Identity and This
- 19:48was a recent announcement last week. He is the Information, Communications and Digital
- 19:53Economy Cabinet Secretary and he talks about a uniform digital identity that Africa as a
- 20:00continent moves together in growing its digital economy and fulfilling the aspirations of the African
- 20:06Continental Free Trade Area. And this was during the launch of the Transform Africa
- 20:11Summit. So we'll just remind ourselves of the Free Trade Area, which effectively
- 20:15is a single market. And again, is this really for the benefit of
- 20:18Africans and is it an idea from within or not? Here are some jollyfolk
- 20:23from the government's Cleania talking about the announcement of the Transform Africa Summit, which
- 20:29will take place later this year. So we don't have any further information about
- 20:33that, but what we can point towards again from outside Africa. You'll note
- 20:37in the top left hand corner the familiar colors of the United Nations Sustainability Goals,
- 20:42sorry, Sustainable Development Goals in this case number sixteen point nine. And
- 20:48we now have the annual Identity Day. So where has this come from and
- 20:52why is it there? And we look at the ID four Africa, the
- 20:59organization that was started in April twenty eighteen in Abuuja. It was enthusiastically received
- 21:04by the global identity and development community, and it's said that ninety nine percent
- 21:10of delegates intendants who saw the initiative as a rally and cried keep in mind
- 21:14the importance of SDG sixteen point nine and to keep countries focused on its achievement.
- 21:18So substantial pressure from without, and we'll just look at id for Africa
- 21:25in a bit more detail. The reason for that is that they have a
- 21:27conference or a summit coming up in May twenty first to twenty fourth in Cape
- 21:33Town, and their objectives or the outcomes they want to deliver on and listed
- 21:38on this sort of checkerboard here, So we'll just pick out a couple of
- 21:42them just to get the drift of what they're doing with it. They want
- 21:47to highlight the various approaches for digital transformation, including the emerging digital public infrastructure
- 21:52anchored on digital identity. And that's the crux of all of this is the
- 21:56anchoring on digital identity. This is why it's being pushed so hard. But
- 22:02they talk about it being all this confidence being to do with game changes for
- 22:07digital transformation and the adoption of digital identity across the continent. Now, with
- 22:11all of these things going back to the influence and whether it is from within
- 22:15or without, we should look at how these things are funded. And of
- 22:19course what we see is that amongst the development partners are the Bill and Melinda
- 22:26Gates Foundation, and it's worth noting that a lot of the others concern the
- 22:30development of children and indeed sort of capturing people while they're young. But specifically
- 22:36on the Gates Foundation, here's the committed grants section of the foundation showing the
- 22:42id for Africa. Admittedly not an enormous sum of money, but they receive
- 22:47two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, which in fact is an annual thing to
- 22:51advance responsible use of digital identity and digital public infrastructure. So little doubt as
- 22:57to whether the Billin Milinda Gates Foundation is in fact pulling the strings. Children's
- 23:02health Defense on x or Twitter are fairly outspoken about what they think this is.
- 23:08And you'll remember that a couple of months ago I referred to the Myisha
- 23:14Namba the system sort of identity for life, number for life in Kenya.
- 23:18Bill Gates pushes digital idea for newborn's in Kenya Myisha Namba is a biometric system
- 23:23that will replace birth certificates and track children from birth to five years of age
- 23:29to ensure children receive vaccines. And that's a quote from doctor Wahomei and Ghari.
- 23:34So Children's Health deventse very much on the front foot with that. But
- 23:37why would they be and we see from Business Daily this is going back to
- 23:42last autumn twenty three, the Gates Foundation to advise on the Myisha Namber road
- 23:48lights quite clearly, perhaps not to be described as a conflict of interest,
- 23:53but they're both controlling it from all sides, and the chief executive there of
- 23:59the Foundation talking about their role which they describe as being always as an advisor.
- 24:06We can connect the government to key technical experts and partners. But we're
- 24:11very encouraged by what we see a strong, robust, open source digital identity
- 24:15system which leverages financial inclusion, advances in healthcare, in education and other services.
- 24:22We've been working with some other partners that we have, said mister Susman.
- 24:26So the point is, and this relates very much back to Mike's segment,
- 24:30is that it's not necessarily a question of enforcing the digital identity, but
- 24:36it's making it perfectly clear that financial exclusion and being shut out of provision to
- 24:41healthcare are the consequences of not taking it up. Back to the ID for
- 24:48Africa summit, and we see the patrons here in the bottom left Tales which
- 24:56if it is a familiar name to you at all, will be one that
- 24:57you associate with. And here we see from their website Defense and Security in
- 25:03the UK, but in actual fact they're very much involved with digital identity and
- 25:07security and in fact trusted digital identity by Tylers. So we'll just have a
- 25:11look at a video clip affairs from three years ago as to the direction of
- 25:17travel on this Hello everyone, meet Lucy, student in psychology, and me
- 25:34her digital ID wallet issued by the government to offer a wide range of identity
- 25:40services. In fact, I am a handy way of proving and protecting her
- 25:44identity both online and face to face. Let's have a closer look at what
- 25:49I can do. I can help governments to better communicate with citizens. Right
- 25:55now, I'm reminding Lucy of the appointment she needs to schedule for her meny
- 26:00vaccination. There we go. I cut it short there because you get the
- 26:06idea. But that is part of a longer clip in which essentially this technology
- 26:11controls absolutely every aspect of her life. And so why is this relevant to
- 26:15us Because recently tala Is acquired a firm called Jamalto, who in fact the
- 26:22contract here for producing passports in the UK. And we see from the government
- 26:27website that they're described as being an experienced and trusted company and they work with
- 26:32over forty countries around the world and with the UK government they're involved in a
- 26:37number of areas including the production of driving licenses, UK biometric residence permit cards
- 26:41and on eGate at the border. So this is all very very much connected,
- 26:45and we link it back to Africa, and of course we see in
- 26:48fact this is not so much an African initiative, it is a one world
- 26:52initiative and it's being pushed very very hard at the moment, and we see
- 26:56especially in the UK, and of course we know have to have digital light
- 27:02or some form of photographic idea to vote, which some people will be doing
- 27:06tomorrow. Absolutely, yes, Okay, let's move on. Then if you
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- 27:48That's going out at one pm tomorrow premiering absolutely and I really would recommend that
- 27:52you do watch and listen to this. Jason Christoph is a phenomenal brain in
- 27:59the field of susceptibility to mind control via repetitive messaging, particular sort of mainstream
- 28:06media messaging, and indeed how to avoid falling into those traps, into what
- 28:11he would call self sabotage. So it's a subject that he has a very
- 28:15very deep knowledge of not just how to control the mind but for ill but
- 28:21also for good. So I would really encourage you to get into that.
- 28:23It was fantastic talk to him and Brian's interview with Rosie from the White Rose
- 28:30went out at one pm yesterday. If you didn't see that, that's on
- 28:33the UK Column website now. It's the next in the Gutsy Women series.
- 28:38And on Sunday we will be hosting a symposium on the World Health Organization with
- 28:44David Bell, Sylvia Burent and others calling for the safeguarding the rule of law,
- 28:51equity and appropriate review process in the World Health Organization lawmaking processes as merely
- 28:56looking at the legal aspects of this. But that will begin a six pm
- 29:00on Sunday in the usual places UK column dot Org, slash Live and also
- 29:04on the community website for UK column members. Now we mentioned that there is
- 29:10an election tomorrow, but we are keen to support anybody standing as an independent.
- 29:15I think that's exactly the way it should be put really, because it
- 29:18puts a marker in the sand, and it is a register of the public
- 29:22mood concerning democracy as a whole, but specifically the very sort of sensitive area
- 29:29of police and Crime commissioners. And you may recall that on the third of
- 29:32April we had Matthew Randolph on Extra who is campaigning for Police and Crime Commissioner
- 29:38in Gloucestershire, and what I'd like to do is talk a little bit about
- 29:42the shameful way in which he was treated as an independent candidate by the BBC,
- 29:48who had a duty to interview all the candidates. And will just listen
- 29:51to something from Rachel Matthews's Cultures to Council Watch in which she spoke to Matthew
- 29:56about what happened during his interview. And it's worth dating that he's campaigning on
- 30:00a ticket of truth and transparency and in particular the illegal rollout of five year
- 30:07in Gloucestershire and the vaccine injuries and the failure to act on this by police.
- 30:15Just before you listen to clip point out you hear some laughing in the
- 30:18background. That's because it was recorded by somebody else who was absolutely astonished to
- 30:22be hearing what you are about to listen to now doing. You were then
- 30:26escorted and I was not escorted of the premises at all. You had a
- 30:30conversation with the plan. I've had a conversation with the police, and the
- 30:33police left and I was then allowed to carry on and ask my question,
- 30:36so please are not twisted. And so I was escorted off the premises as
- 30:38I was not. The reason I ask this is because for whatever the reason
- 30:42with the police being called to that meeting, do you think that's the sort
- 30:45of conduct that people expect from the next Police and Crime commissioner. I think
- 30:49what we expect is when a question is raised to the council, we get
- 30:53an honest answer, and we attend these council meetings regularly, and we did
- 30:59not get honest answers from the council. They have installed five gene illegally throughout
- 31:03Gloucestershire. We were trying to raise that with our counselors and they didn't like
- 31:08to hear that. Matthew, thank you very much for coming in and joining
- 31:11me on the show today. Take Care. That's Matthew Randolph, an independent
- 31:15candidate to become Glossag's Police and Crime Commissioner. During the interview, mister Randolph
- 31:21made a number of allegations which are completely unfounded about the police, Glossa City
- 31:25Council and the BBC. It's claimed the police has failed to investigate death link
- 31:30to the vaccine is false and not with scientific evidence. Scientific consensus says the
- 31:34COVID vaccine has in fact saved millions of lives driving excess deaths. We would
- 31:40know Glossa City council has in the past refuted claims around five g mass been
- 31:45unsafe and why do scientific consensus backs up the case that they aren't harmful on
- 31:49the BBC misleading people and that's coming out in the COVID inquiry that isn't true
- 31:56false claims. Felt it important to give you the opportunity to hear mister Randolph's
- 31:59views. It's hard to know what to say to that, Charles, because
- 32:05what, yeah, I don't know. We'll talk about that in the Extra
- 32:09tragic and comic at the same time. So we'll just and by reinforcing the
- 32:14message for sort of you know, look at for your independent candidates. This
- 32:16is how Matthew has presented himself with his campaign literature. And again you see
- 32:22on the bottom right his appearance on Extra. So if you are minded,
- 32:27please do get out tomorrow to look out your independent candidate. Thank you.
- 32:31And also on Sunday this weekend, the International Center for nine to eleven Justice
- 32:37is presenting Peace, War and nine to eleven. This is public screening at
- 32:40Q and A at Chapel Arts Center and Bath and so that'll be matt Campbell
- 32:45and Pierce Robinson will be answering the questions. So if you're able to get
- 32:51to that on Sunday at seven pm do and we will have Peers and Matt
- 32:55on the program on Friday for a brief discussion of this. And then on
- 33:00May the eleventh in the Standing Center in Fletcher's Craft Standing in West Sussex,
- 33:07an event is taking place called Western Empire in the Great Reset. Now that
- 33:13is not the complete list of speakers because I am also speaking at this event,
- 33:15and so is Sandy Adams. So that's a fiver through pay power on
- 33:20the door if you The link for where to send that or where to how
- 33:23to contact the organizers will be in the show notes. So hopefully we'll see
- 33:28as many people as possible at that event on the eleventh. Now, where
- 33:32does that take us to Gaza Fedessa? Yeah? Today, really deplorable situation
- 33:45in Gaza. We spoke previously about the US establishing this ridiculous humanitarian here which
- 33:53is going to be anything but humanitarian. One thousand US troops will deploy for
- 33:59temporary port operations to move AID into Gaza. It's now been revealed in the
- 34:06last few days that the cost of this project for the United States is three
- 34:10hundred and twenty million. And this has been reported by Reuters and various others.
- 34:20And of course, you know, we have to ask the question,
- 34:22why not just open the Rafa border from Egypt and allow in the daily five
- 34:29hundred trucks that were coming in prior to October the seventh. This is a
- 34:34short excerpt from a Sky News program on the building of the port itself.
- 34:42We can just roll the radio they what would actually build there. We've got
- 34:45some video of the source of facility that the US have. This isn't in
- 34:47Gaza. This is to illustrate the sort of the capability they have basically leaning
- 34:52onto the shore but from the deep water, and that they hope this will
- 34:57be able to be completed in a matter of two so the claim that this
- 35:02will only take two weeks to build. Of course, there's no coincidence that
- 35:07this is about twenty nautical miles from the Gaza gas exploration area off the coast
- 35:15of Gaza that has not yet been used for the benefit of Garsans since it
- 35:22was discovered. There's also reports that UK troops could be sent to Gaza to
- 35:28help deliver aid. So let's have a look at what they're claiming and the
- 35:31Independent. The government is considering whether to send troops to Gaza to help deliver
- 35:37AID via a new sea route. The US confirmed on Friday that work on
- 35:43a temporary peer, and I need to point out here that the rubble that
- 35:45is being bulldozed to fabricate this temporary peer, without doubt contains the remains of
- 35:52Palestinian bodies that have not yet been retrieved from under the rubble. And while
- 35:59the US is spending three hundred and twenty million on this project, it never
- 36:02considered spending three hundred and twenty million sending bulldozers to help the civil defense in
- 36:10Gaza to retrieve bodies, both dead and alive. Britain is already providing logistical
- 36:17support for construction of the pier, including a Royal Navy ship that will house
- 36:22hundreds of US soldiers and sailors working on the project. In addition, UK
- 36:29military planners have been embedded at the US Central Command in Florida and Cyprus,
- 36:36where AID will be screened before shipment to Gaza. It's worth also noting that
- 36:42Israel will then have a further verification mechanism when the ships arrived at Gaza.
- 36:46Which could potentially of course delay even further the so called humanitarian aid. Now
- 36:55at the same time, what's happening, so bear in mind they're saying this
- 36:59will take about two weeks to establish this humanitarian peer cought. Israel is planning
- 37:06a ring of checkpoints to prevent men from fleeing Raffia. This has actually been
- 37:10confirmed by my sources inside Rafa that tanks and snipers are establishing a ring around
- 37:20Raffa. The claim is that, according to Middle East Diygeh in the reports
- 37:23so on the next slide, that they will allow they will prevent men of
- 37:30military age, so in other words, everybody will be designated as hamas,
- 37:36as combatants, and they will allegedly allow women and children to leave. Of
- 37:43course, we have absolutely no guarantees or assurances that they will be able to
- 37:50leave safely, as we've already seen women and children being sniped or shot or
- 37:55shelled by tanks as they do try to leave to what described as safe areas.
- 38:01And of course the other point to make is currently as well as bombing
- 38:06heavily in central Gaza, so it's actually creating a buffer zone between the north
- 38:12and the south. There's around seven hundred thousand people in the north currently suffering
- 38:16predominantly from famine and disease, and then another one point five million in central
- 38:25Gaza but being pushed to the north or to the south. Sorry, there's
- 38:30about one million in the south, and then the remainder in the middle which
- 38:34are being pushed north or south. And with the potential, of course,
- 38:38with this Ruffa operation which is being spoken about by various members of netan Yahoo's
- 38:45administration, including by Netanyahu himself, the timing is potential, of course that
- 38:52refugees from Rufa will be deported via the so called humanitarian But also my fear
- 39:00is of course that the US and the UK are now intending to establish a
- 39:07military footprint in Gaza itself, perhaps not immediately but in the future after the
- 39:13devastation, which will be rougher if the operation goes ahead, and we're looking
- 39:19at a horrendous massacre or potential of a masacre if that does go ahead,
- 39:27and it's looking much more likely that it is going to go ahead, Vanessa,
- 39:30because the news is that they are starting to train reservists to take part
- 39:35in that, so that the training is happening at which it wasn't before.
- 39:38So it's looking much firmer that it's going to go ahead. But coming back
- 39:44to the UK then, Charles and what's the liddest on the Holocaust Memorial?
- 39:49Well, thanks Mite. It relates closely of course to Vanessa segment in that
- 39:53it's extremely controversial prospects from the start, but made much more so in the
- 40:00events since the seventh October last year. But this is the report from well
- 40:06the latest on the Holocaust Memorial. The government now has a department the foundation
- 40:10there and effectively it's been proposed for a site just south of the Houses of
- 40:15Parliament in Victoria Tower Garden. And the reason I've got another icon on the
- 40:21right hand side of the map on the east side is that that's where the
- 40:23Imperial War Museum hosts the Holocaust galleries. So a while back I asked the
- 40:30Imperial War Museum what their view was about the very controversial use of land that
- 40:35was supposed to be protected in Victoria Tower Garden, and of course they highlight
- 40:39that it was it's less than a mile away and that they want to ensure
- 40:43that the curation and narrative does not replicate the iwm's own galleries. Now,
- 40:50last week there's an update here reported in the Jewish News. MP's issue warning
- 40:54on Holocaust memorial projects, rising costs and security. And this is because there's
- 41:00now a Select Committee which have produced a report on the Holocaust Memorial Bill.
- 41:06And in effect one could look at it to one of two ways, because
- 41:09they start by saying they do not wish to amend the bill, but there
- 41:12are certain matters of concern so are they pulling their punches or are they setting
- 41:16up the bill to fail? But nonetheless they say that a full consultation would
- 41:22have lent more legitimacy to the final site decision, and they urged the government
- 41:24to consider how ongoing costs so likely to be paid for and whether it offers
- 41:29appropriate use of public money, and also the steps of the government intends to
- 41:32take around the security of any memorial and learning center. Of course, we've
- 41:36heard a lot recently about the concerns over security, or at least the much
- 41:42hyped concerns over security for Jewish people in the UK, So it's just raft
- 41:46of controversy upon controversy, but that seems to be the latest currently. But
- 41:52just to refresh on, certainly on the full consultation part, what the government
- 41:55totally failed to do was to pay attention to existing planning restrictions on the site.
- 42:02And so they've written rough short over that, and it's now looking like
- 42:05it's very hard to justify the public money that's being thrown at it, indeed,
- 42:08the increased public money because of the security implications. So a model picture,
- 42:14but we'll carry on reporting as we as we pick it up. Okay,
- 42:19now let's come on then to the Investigatory Pars Amendment Bill. And well,
- 42:25the question is what is this all about. Well, of course we
- 42:29know that in this country we have some pretty draconian investigatory Pars legislation in place
- 42:36that all is all kinds of unpleasant surveillance. It's called the Snooper's Charter of
- 42:42course by many people, but it has been amended. And so here's Tom
- 42:46tug and Had, the Security Minister. He's saying, first to reassure those
- 42:52who may have been alarmed by some of the recent commentary, Britain is secure,
- 42:55and to remind people of the extraordinary security we have through our being in
- 43:00NATO and our being in nuclear power. I'm not quite sure that what that
- 43:02has to do with snooping, but anyway, he went on to say these
- 43:07changes mean that not only will our citizens be better protected from serious dangers such
- 43:10as terrorism and child sexual abuse online, their privacy will be better protected too.
- 43:16So my question is is he naive, does he not understand the legislation
- 43:21that he's just amended and given approval to the amendments for, or is he
- 43:24lying through his teeth. I don't know the answer to that, But let's
- 43:28just look at what in detail what they have been talking about. So,
- 43:31first of all, the government has decided to reduce what have already been extremely
- 43:37weak protections against security services using our data illegally. And just to remind everybody,
- 43:43security services have been using our data illegally for quite some time, and
- 43:46the whole point of the Investigatory Powers Act in the first place was to effectively,
- 43:52respect retrospectively legalize what they were doing and continue to do so. They're
- 43:57breaking the rules left, right and center, and this reduces the protections even
- 44:01further. Government has removed a reasonable expectation of privacy, so there is no
- 44:07expectation of privacy as far as the government is concerned on behalf of any member
- 44:13of the general public. The government has not explained why reduction of privacy is
- 44:16necessary rather than just being convenient for them. It potentially permits bulk data collection
- 44:22of facial images and social media data. That, of course is an intention
- 44:28because we know that live facial recognition is being tested and is intended to be
- 44:34ruled out by the police, but also social social media data as well.
- 44:38And if you remember, I can't remember whether it was Friday's program or Wednessey's
- 44:43last week, we were talking about the use of facial images to ascertain or
- 44:47to identify people's political leanings and automating that process we go on here absolutely permits
- 44:57bulk data collection of Internet connection data. Well, that's the case with the
- 45:01Investigatory Powers Act in general, but this takes a step further and expands the
- 45:07range of politicians who can authorize the surveillance of other politicians. This is quite
- 45:12amazing to me that no politicians seem to be particularly concerned about this. But
- 45:15requires tech companies to inform government of any plans to strength and security or privacy
- 45:20features in their software. This is a direct attack on end to end encryption,
- 45:24and this is one of the main features of these amendments is to try
- 45:29to roll back on end to end encryption that's already out there. It permits
- 45:35government vedoing such security a privacy features, so tech companies will have to inform
- 45:40the government of any plans to strength and security, and then the government can
- 45:44say not in this country. So that is in itself a dangerous situation in
- 45:51my opinion. Enables the Secretary of State to require tech companies to provide services
- 45:54or facilities for the purposes of facilitating or assistant and assisting and intelligence service to
- 46:00carry out as functions, and prevents tech companies from disclosing such services or facilities
- 46:05to anyone without permission of the Secretary of State. So they can instruct the
- 46:09tech company to open a gateway for the intelligence agencies to look at the communications
- 46:15of a particular individual or individuals or group, but they're not allowed to tell
- 46:20anyone, including the individuals or the group, that the surveillance is going on.
- 46:23Now, the National Crime Agency has been campaigning on the issue of end
- 46:30to end encryption for years, so this is going back to twenty eighteen.
- 46:34This is a National Strategic Assessment of Serious and Organized Crime, and they said
- 46:37in that document, now the majority of Internet traffic is encrypted and publicly available.
- 46:44That's their type publicly available mobile device apps offer end to end encryption standard.
- 46:50While this means enhanced privacy for the users, the use of encryption is
- 46:53impacting on law enforcement's ability to collect intelligence and evidence. So they were complaining
- 46:59about that six years ago, and then this week or in the last few
- 47:02days, the NCAA plus others released the Joint Declaration of European Police Chiefs.
- 47:08But of course we're out of the EU, and I aren't we, and
- 47:12they said saying this. Two key capabilities are crucial to supporting online safety.
- 47:17First, the ability of the technology companies to provide to law enforcement investigations in
- 47:22response to lawful authority with strong safeguards and oversight. I think that's also typo,
- 47:29but anyway, the data of suspected criminals on their service. This is
- 47:31what is known as lawful access. Second, the ability of technology companies to
- 47:37proactively identify illegal and harmful activity on their platforms. This is especially true in
- 47:42regards to detecting users who have sexual interest in children, exchange images of abuse
- 47:46and seek to a bit contact sexual offenses. So the child abuse narrative is
- 47:53continues to be used to cynically, in my opinion, to push this forward.
- 47:59We are therefore deeply concerned. They said that end to end encryption is
- 48:02being rolled out in a way that will undermine both of these capabilities. Companies
- 48:06will not be able to respond effectively to a lawful authority, nor will they
- 48:10be able to identify or report illegal activity on their platforms. As a result,
- 48:15we will simply not be able to keep the public safe. And of
- 48:19course this was the narrative that we were receiving during COVID as well. We've
- 48:22got to do away with our freedoms, with our privacy, with all these
- 48:25kinds of things in the name of public safety. And this continues to be
- 48:30the sort of trope that they roll out in order to try to convince us
- 48:35to accept this bulk data collection and this mass surveillance. So I just wanted
- 48:40to sort of end this segment by looking at what you might do about it.
- 48:45And of course the first thing to do about it is to use a
- 48:49VPN. Now the VPN that I personally use, and I'm not sponsored in
- 48:52any way by MOVAD, but this is my choice, and explain why it's
- 48:57my choice. In the second is so they use a VPN. Now,
- 49:01of course this doesn't make you anonymous or hide what you're doing, because there'll
- 49:07always be somebody looking at what you're doing. At companies are buolth data collecting
- 49:12in terms of your browsing habits and so on. But what this does is
- 49:15it moves the ability, or removes the ability for your Internet service provider to
- 49:21collect metadata on what you're doing on the Internet because everything's being tunneled through your
- 49:27virtual private network. So that at least moves the problem away from our government
- 49:31and makes it much more difficult for them to follow what you're doing. It
- 49:35doesn't remove the possibility at all, but it makes it much more difficult.
- 49:38So if you pop that back up, I'll just explain why I think Malvad
- 49:43is the VPN of choice, and it's this. If you want to pay
- 49:47with cash in an envelope without any name, address, or any other identifying
- 49:52marks, you can do so. So you just go to the Malvad site,
- 49:55create an account number, and post the account number if your cash in
- 50:00an envelope to them. I'm not aware that any other VPN services allow this
- 50:05to be done, so this is, as far as I'm concerned, a
- 50:08very big tick in the box. Aside from the fact that most of their
- 50:10VPN servers, if not all of them by now, don't store any logs
- 50:15because they don't have any hard disks or any other kind of bulk data storage
- 50:19capability. So I just let people know about them because they're relatively compared to
- 50:27others that are sort of talked about on the internet regularly. They're relatively unknown,
- 50:31but they do offer a good service. And as I say, I'm
- 50:36not being paid to say that that is the one I use, so that
- 50:39we'll leave it there. Again, this legislation has gone through without a huge
- 50:45amount of pushback, it seems, from the general public, and I do
- 50:47wonder perhaps was that because there was a lack of awareness of what was being
- 50:52done. Let's move on to food production. Yes, indeed, which something
- 50:59we've looked at over the last few weeks and months really since the start of
- 51:02the year, and we've concentrated very much on the way in which policy from
- 51:07the Center has pushed farmers towards making the uneasy choice not to grow food in
- 51:12order to take the risk out of their business. But what we haven't really
- 51:15looked at the situations in which the decision has been taken out of their hands.
- 51:19So we look at Natural England, and the reason we do so is
- 51:22that last week Tony Juniper, the headman there, is talking about having a
- 51:25high five for everyone driving nature recovery. But we must not rest on our
- 51:30laurels. So we're just cherrypeck a few bits from his sort of five year
- 51:34point and he talks about Natural England, which of course is outside of government
- 51:37but funded by government, has supported the design and introduction of major legislative tools,
- 51:43the Environment Act, the Environmental Improvement Plan, but also here we go
- 51:46to protect thirty percent of land and sea by twenty thirty and indeed the Agricultural
- 51:52Transition Plan and critically bidiversity net gain which will come onto. He talks about
- 51:57the funding and to achieve nature, which has been a big theme of Steve
- 52:01Barclay's push on the sustainable farming incentive, and he's tripled the budget from one
- 52:07hundred and ten million, which is what it was back in twenty nineteen.
- 52:10He's always at pain to point out the closeness of his relationship with the now
- 52:15King Charles shown here in the photograph with him, and he goes on to
- 52:20talk about food security, but in a slightly toned deaf manner that In effect,
- 52:23he's suggesting that there isn't really any sort of mutual disagreement between taking land
- 52:30out of production and food security. He is right, of course to point
- 52:34out the long term food security is impossible without a healthy, sustainable natural environment,
- 52:37but there's a way of doing that, and possibly not the way in
- 52:42which it is being done currently. For much more depth on this, I
- 52:45would encourage you to go to the No Smoke Without Fire series that Brian Gerrish
- 52:50and Debbie Adams are doing the Minute, particularly part three, which deals with
- 52:53exactly this issue. But the reason I bring it up now is because there's
- 52:58a private member's bill going for Parliament at the moment, Sites of Special Scientific
- 53:02Interest Bill which was just mentioned in Parliament back in March by Derek Thomas MP,
- 53:10and specifically he talks about allowing the environment sectually to interrogate the science and
- 53:15scrutinize Natural England's decisions. It's Natural England that seems to have ridden rough shot
- 53:20over farmers, countryside management and their understanding of how to care for their natural
- 53:24environment. Now. The reason he says that is that to date the Natural
- 53:30England have had the power to enforce a special scientific an area of special scientific
- 53:37interest. So he goes on, so why does this matter because now following
- 53:40confirmation of the SSSI, farmers are subject to the same Natural England staff dictating
- 53:45how they operate their farms. That includes their demand that farmers apply for consent
- 53:50to milk cows or keep livestock. There is the risk that farming businesses will
- 53:53become unsustainable which will impact on the rural economy and food security, while no
- 53:59mean for benefit to the environment is delivered. So he's absolutely right to call
- 54:05this out. And we look at the Nature Recovery Network, which of course
- 54:07is they say, a joined up enterprise between DEPHRAH, Natural England and our
- 54:13partners talking about their APEX goal of improving nature. But the point again on
- 54:17the sort of accelerated process is taking us from protection to active restoration and critically
- 54:23the three areas biodiversity lost, climate change and public health and well being again
- 54:28not really substantiated. To go on to pick out a few things that they're
- 54:31trying to target. An enormous amount of land five hundred thousand hectares of wildlife
- 54:37rich habitat they want to have achieved from this, and down at the bottom
- 54:40there which is really important improve access to nature, working across government to ensure
- 54:46that everyone lives within fifteen minutes walk of a green or blue space, so
- 54:51a lot of walking. No mention of cars of course, And a reminder
- 54:55therefore, when we think about the thirty by thirty thing, that the teen
- 55:00million hectares of land that are in agricultural use account for seventy percent of the
- 55:04total area of the UK. So just on the food security front is an
- 55:07absolutely enormous challenge to be able to produce enough food for an increasing population and
- 55:14give over thirty percent of that land to nature recovery. But on the biodiversity
- 55:21net gain side we see the Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board here additional income stream,
- 55:25So again talk about incentivizing farmers to actually do this, and in case
- 55:30you're sort of a bit shaking on the biodiversity implications, this came into effect
- 55:36into planning law in January, working to increase biodiversity. Essentially, it's an
- 55:40offsetting process, so they say it's mandatory for all new developments, regardless of
- 55:45whether this improvement is seen on or off site. But for offsite improvements,
- 55:51farmers can often lease their less productive land to developers or gain payment from these
- 55:55organizations for managing and improving the habitat in line with the management plan to improve
- 56:00biodiversity. So again who decides what actually constitutes an improvement in biodiversity. And
- 56:07finally they talk about this going on for at least thirty years. So this
- 56:12is really being driven by the Terra Carta and Sustainable Markets incentive, which as
- 56:15I say, is covered in great depth in the No Smoke Without Fire series
- 56:20at the moment, which i'd really encourage you to get into. But this
- 56:22is something we will continue to monitor over the course of this year. Yeah,
- 56:24and no doubt we'll talk about that an extra as well. Now let's
- 56:29just end with online safety and media literacy. And well we'll start off on
- 56:34the online safety with this, which is a joint statement by OFCOM and the
- 56:37Information's Commissioner. Because they have got together, we reported them this is the
- 56:40time to form the Digital Regulation Cooperative Cooperation Forum. Actually, so anyway,
- 56:46they have issued a joint statement on the regulation of online services and so they're
- 56:52collaborating on themes that they describe as age assurance with that's digital ID Recommender systems,
- 56:59that's the the algorithms that YouTube and others are using proactive tech and relevant
- 57:06AI tools, default settings and geolocation settings for child users. Let's make sure
- 57:10the children are included, so that that gives us a justification for this online
- 57:15safety privacy duties, upholding terms, policies and community standards, and of course
- 57:21that's how they're dealing with content online. They're going to enforce the requirement for
- 57:27community standards to be imposed across the board by the tech companies. So working
- 57:34together is going to move the online safety regime forward, and so that's what
- 57:38they're doing. But in the meantime, ofcom has launched a consultation on their
- 57:45three year media literacy strategy, so they're very excited about this because of course,
- 57:49media literacy is how we all identify whether something that we're looking at is
- 57:52mis or disinformation or genuine. So let's see what the quote is from each
- 58:00young Tay from offcom publication. This strategy is timely. Indeed, it's more
- 58:05important now than ever to think strategically about media literacy given the dramatic changes to
- 58:09landscape over the last two decades since OFCOMB started its work. OFCOM now defines
- 58:15media literacy as the ability to use, understand, and create media and communications
- 58:20across multiple formats and services. Does that seem like a good definition to you?
- 58:24It doesn't seem to, don't really mean anything, but anyway, okay,
- 58:28the price, he says, is clearly worthy of the collective effort.
- 58:30Imagine the UK where people possess the critical thinking skills, the better spot miss
- 58:35and disinformation. Yes, indeed, imagine that. Imagine when people are actually
- 58:39critically looking at the BBC and the Independent and the Times in the Telegraph and
- 58:44thinking what a pile of nonsense they're pushing out on a daily basis. But
- 58:47don't worry, because Rishie Sunak was speaking at the Society of Editors Annual meeting
- 58:55a couple of days ago, pretty yesterday in fact, and well he had
- 59:00this to say. Over the last five years, we the government have backed
- 59:05international media and free flow of information with over six hundred million pounds. It
- 59:08includes supporting the BBC World Service, which reaches over three hundred million people each
- 59:14week and has planted kindless seeds of freedom. And he is admitting here that
- 59:17BBC World Service is a soft part weapon of the British government in order to
- 59:24work towards regime change in other countries. That's what planting kindless seeds of freedom
- 59:30means. And he also said it includes in training for journalists around the world,
- 59:36and that of course is part of the same exercise, because that's the
- 59:38use of Thompson Rogers Foundation and BBC Media Action to train journalists in the British
- 59:44mold and with British narratives and British ways of doing things. And just to
- 59:50end this little segment, the Financial Times and open AI, you will be
- 59:54glad to know, have struck a content licensing deal. This means that open
- 59:59AI now it has full access to the full Financial Times archives, everything that
- 1:00:04they publish. Because once you start looking at media literacy and how you want
- 1:00:08to view things on the Internet, and with the increasing use of artificial intelligence
- 1:00:14and chat, GBT and the likes in the future, we want to make
- 1:00:19sure that those ways of gathering information are only trained using proper sources. Isn't
- 1:00:27that right? Sorry, yes, okay, We'll leave you to think about
- 1:00:30that and say thank you to Vanessa and the Charles for joining me today and
- 1:00:36thank you to everybody who's watched. We will be back in a couple of
- 1:00:39minutes. If you're a UK column member for some extra but otherwise see you
- 1:00:45on what is this? Yes, see on Friday. See you then bye bye,