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Sharri | 11 May · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News Venis and Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening tonight. One Nation's victory threatens Canberra's political elite,
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Speaker 2: and now they're coming for Western Sydney. I'll go through
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Speaker 2: the ramifications of their win with Shadow Treasurer Tim Wilson
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Speaker 2: shortly plus Anthony Albanisi and his ministers fighting to take
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Speaker 2: credit for the broken promise on negative gearing and capital
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Speaker 2: gainst acts the inside story of the meeting where this
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Speaker 2: backflip was decided shortly and a female journalist is verbally
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Speaker 2: abused by an Isis bride's supporter at the airport. This
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Speaker 2: is exactly the kind of behavior Australians are worried about.
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Speaker 2: Our Monday favorite Ray Hadley would dig in soon. And
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Speaker 2: the mother who allegedly shouted an anti Semitic slur at
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Speaker 2: a netball team has now been named. Will tell tell
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Speaker 2: you who she is shortly. But first, Saturday's One Nation
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Speaker 2: win cannot be underestimated. One Nation didn't just win a
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Speaker 2: by election. It catapulted from a fringe party to a
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Speaker 2: populist force to be reckoned with. And it's the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party that's now being pushed to the margins, relegated to
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Speaker 2: a minority Party of increasing irrelevance. The primary vote tells
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Speaker 2: that story. One Nation had around three times as many
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Speaker 2: voters as the Liberal Party three times and Barnaby Joyce
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Speaker 2: made that point today.
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Speaker 3: The polling is not an aberration. It's now being validated
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Speaker 3: by both South Australia and Farah.
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Speaker 1: There's a strong following out there.
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Speaker 2: Are you going after Bowen's seat?
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Speaker 3: We are very much in the mind for Western suburb
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Speaker 3: Sydney and the.
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Speaker 2: Bond between Pauline Hanson and former Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby
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Speaker 2: Joyce has never looked stronger. They were rapturous on Saturday
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Speaker 2: night as if they'd won government. I can't forget their
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Speaker 2: latest team recruit. Clearly it was a catastrophic mistake for
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Speaker 2: both the Liberals and the Nationals to run separate candidates. Combined,
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Speaker 2: their primary votes were about twenty one percent. Together, they
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Speaker 2: would have had a better chance at winning, but a
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Speaker 2: part they bled the National's risk withering away entirely. To
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Speaker 2: grasp the dramatic collapse of the coalition and support, you
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Speaker 2: only have to compare Saturday's result with the Liberal primary
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Speaker 2: vote in Farrer at the May five election about a
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Speaker 2: year ago. Now, commentators have been running the line that
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Speaker 2: one Nation is disrupting both major parties, Labor and Liberals.
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Speaker 2: Look it's true to a certain extent, but it's not
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Speaker 2: quite right because the damage is far more devastating on
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Speaker 2: the Coalition than on Labor. One Nation plans to do
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Speaker 2: to the Liberals on the right what the Teals did
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Speaker 2: to them on the left, stripping seats and shrinking the
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Speaker 2: party into an ever narrower sliver of relevance. Combined, this
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Speaker 2: withers away the seats the Liberals can safely hold, and
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Speaker 2: it poses an existential crisis for the party. The Liberals
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Speaker 2: have conceded their left flank to the Teals and their
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Speaker 2: conservative flank to One Nation. And the question then is unavoidable.
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Speaker 2: What does the party stand for today? And where are
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Speaker 2: the voices connecting with the voters articulating its position. And
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Speaker 2: you contrast this with one nation, one high profile leader,
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Speaker 2: one face. Every Australian knows unmistakable cut through. Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 2: makes mistakes, she does, she says the wrong thing. She's
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Speaker 2: far from the most articulate or polished politician in the country,
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Speaker 2: and in that sense she's not dissimilar from Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: But these flaws are working for her like they worked
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Speaker 2: for the president, because it means authenticity. Australians are in
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Speaker 2: no doubt what Pauline Hanson believes or what she'd do,
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Speaker 2: and right now, with terrorism and radical Islam front of mind,
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Speaker 2: her anti immigration position is resonating with voters. The Albanese
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Speaker 2: government's failures are also driving voters into Hanson's arms, not
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Speaker 2: just on national security, but on the economy, cost of living,
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Speaker 2: rising inflation, and now on broken election promises. It was
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Speaker 2: only last year the new Albanezi was patronizing and dismissive
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Speaker 2: of journalists who dared to ask, if you plan to
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Speaker 2: change negative gearing or capital gains tax?
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Speaker 4: Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and
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Speaker 4: capital gains tax?
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Speaker 1: How hard is it for the fiftieth time?
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Speaker 2: That same journalist the Daily Telegraphs to James O'Doherty last
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Speaker 2: week put to the Prime Minister directly that he had
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Speaker 2: lied to voters some fifty times.
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Speaker 4: Come Minister, thirteen months ago you ruled out changes to
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Speaker 4: negative gearing and capital gains tax for what you said
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Speaker 4: was the fiftieth time. Does that mean that you lied
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Speaker 4: fifty times the voters.
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Speaker 5: Or the budget will be on Tuesday, and you'll have
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Speaker 5: every opportunity.
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Speaker 6: So did you like afty times?
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Speaker 5: You'll have every opportunity.
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Speaker 2: This is a stunning backflip. It's hard to imagine a
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Speaker 2: prime minister would want to take credit for misleading vote
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Speaker 2: like this, but it seems Albanezi does. An article out
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Speaker 2: today suggests he doesn't just accept responsibility for the backflip,
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Speaker 2: he wants the credit for it. He wants to be
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Speaker 2: recognized for it. Ahead of tomorrow's federal budget. Paul Skarl
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Speaker 2: writes in The Herald that it was Alban Easy himself
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Speaker 2: who drove the change, not Treasurer Jim Chalmers. He writes,
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Speaker 2: in one of their small group conversations, Alban Easy asked
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Speaker 2: Charmers and Katie Gallagher to spend summer working up options
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Speaker 2: on negative gearing, capital gains, tax and trusts. His plan
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Speaker 2: was to start building the argument for change and justifying
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Speaker 2: a blatant broken promise in a press club speech on
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Speaker 2: intergenerational inequality. And here was Alban Easy today making that
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Speaker 2: argument of intergenerational inequality.
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Speaker 5: The difficult decision, but the right decision is to do
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Speaker 5: the right thing with the right policies to deliver and
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Speaker 5: clearly people are frustrated issues like intergenerational equity.
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Speaker 2: In his article, Polsico asked Katie Gallagher when it was
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Speaker 2: that Albanezy decided to renair on election pledges. Her answer
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Speaker 2: is remarkable, she said, you know what he's like. He's
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Speaker 2: thinking about one hundred things every day. My guess is
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Speaker 2: he weighed that up for several months in his own head,
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Speaker 2: thinking about whether or not this should be done. I
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Speaker 2: don't think he's given enough credit for having an appetite
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Speaker 2: for reform. So there it is a minister arguing about
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Speaker 2: who deserves credit for hiking taxes they promised never to touch.
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Speaker 2: Says a lot as well about Katie Gallagher's relationship with
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Speaker 2: both the Prime Minister and the treasurer. Well Sky News
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Speaker 2: political editor Andrew Clanel grilled Charmers on this broken promise yesterday.
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Speaker 7: I mean, this is the biggest breach of electoral trust
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Speaker 7: since Julia Gillard's no carbon tax under a government I
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Speaker 7: lead promise. After that, Julia Gillard's numbers, as you know,
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Speaker 7: went south in a big way. Are you ready for
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Speaker 7: that sort of backlash or do you think you can
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Speaker 7: avoid it?
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Speaker 8: Well, my view, Andrew, is if a government comes to
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Speaker 8: a different view. Then the onus is on the government
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Speaker 8: senior ministers like myself in explaining why the government's come
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Speaker 8: to a different view.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll have to see whether they can convince
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Speaker 2: voters of that tomorrow. But the question is, would alban
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Speaker 2: Easy have had such a decisive election victory if he
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Speaker 2: was honest with the Australian public, if he told voters
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Speaker 2: before the election exactly what he intended to do, would
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Speaker 2: he have then won ninety four seats? I mean, it's
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Speaker 2: highly unlikely, and we can say this with confidence because
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Speaker 2: we've seen the playbook. Bill Shotton was upfront with voters
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Speaker 2: when he took a similar policy to an election, and
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Speaker 2: Australians revolted shot and pitched it as taxing the top
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Speaker 2: end of town, and he lost the unlosable election. Well,
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Speaker 2: I think that Albanize took the wrong lesson from that,
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Speaker 2: not that Australians don't want these changes, but to hide
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Speaker 2: it from them until it's too late. This from a
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Speaker 2: man who told Australians that his word was his bond
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Speaker 2: as he heralded a new era of trust in politics. Well,
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Speaker 2: with leaders like this, is it any wonder? More and
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Speaker 2: more voters are turning to Pauline Hansen. As flawed and
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Speaker 2: fallible as she is, at least they see her as
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Speaker 2: a conviction politician they can trust and it's more than
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Speaker 2: they can say for the other major parties. Shadow Treasurer
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Speaker 2: Tim Wilson will join me shortly ahead of tomorrow's federal budget.
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Speaker 2: But now for more on I'm joined by The Herald's
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Speaker 2: chief political correspondent Paul Skal, who broke that story that
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Speaker 2: I've just been speaking about. Paul, great to have you
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Speaker 2: on the show. Thank you very much for your time. Look,
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Speaker 2: you've reported today that there's an exclusive Cabinets subcommittee with
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Speaker 2: Alban Easy Charmers also Katie Gallagher, which is where they've
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Speaker 2: been discussing negative gearing, capital gains tax and also trusts.
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Speaker 2: Can you tell us about this grouping and just when
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Speaker 2: how early these discussions began.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, Hi, sharing, good evening to all your viewers. This
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Speaker 9: was a story our researched last week trying to understand
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Speaker 9: when exactly the government made this decision to reverse its
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Speaker 9: pretty clear election pledges not to touch capital gains tax, discount,
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Speaker 9: negative gearing and trust, which, as you say, is a
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Speaker 9: contentious set of policies that have been rejected at the
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Speaker 9: ballot box once. What I learned is that the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 9: once he had his thumping ninety four seat victory in
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Speaker 9: May last year, started to think, you know, in his
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Speaker 9: own mind and just in informal chats with his colleagues
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Speaker 9: about how the government would expand in its second and
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Speaker 9: third year. He's just had a big win. The election
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Speaker 9: mandate was relatively narrow. You'll recall there were lots of
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Speaker 9: pledgures around social spending. He's cuts little small policies that
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Speaker 9: were seen as sweeteners by his critics, and he had
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Speaker 9: started to think about housing and intergenerational equality inequality, i
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Speaker 9: should say. And in November, when he cleared the parliamentary
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Speaker 9: decks and got through some major legislation, he then engaged
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Speaker 9: in some more serious conversations with that very small group
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Speaker 9: of ministers, as you say, Kadie Gallagher and Jim Chalmers,
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Speaker 9: as well as some of his really trusted advisors like
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Speaker 9: Mark Butler, Penny Wong, Tim Ayres. And they determined in
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Speaker 9: these conversations that government's agenda needed to expand and they
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Speaker 9: would look at these contentious policies that have been rejected
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Speaker 9: once before.
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Speaker 2: I thought it was really fascinating how throughout Your Peace
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Speaker 2: there seemed to be this underlying battle to claim credit
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Speaker 2: for what they see as major reform, the changes that
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Speaker 2: are being discussed now. Most consider that it's the Treasurer
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Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers who's been the ambitious reformer, but clearly Albanzi
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Speaker 2: wants the credit as well.
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Speaker 9: You're right, Charry, this is a fascinating dynamic inside the government.
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Speaker 9: A lot of the commentary about the relationship between Jim
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Speaker 9: Chalmers and Albanesi, who are about fifteen years apart, one
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Speaker 9: from the right faction, one from the left faction. The
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Speaker 9: Prime Minister incredibly wily, keen to maintain power, maintain stability,
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Speaker 9: the Treasurer who in much of the commentary is the
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Speaker 9: driving force of ambition. It's a similar dynamic to the
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Speaker 9: treasurer prime minister relationships under John Howard and Peter Costello
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Speaker 9: and Paul Keating and Bob Hawk, or at least that's
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Speaker 9: the conventional wisdom. I think I can see on the
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Speaker 9: screen there Cameron Milner about to burn your show, so
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Speaker 9: he'll be able to speak to this too. But there's
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Speaker 9: a view inside the cabinet, yeah, particularly among the allies
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Speaker 9: of Anthony Alberanezi, and they are many in the cabinet
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Speaker 9: that this is a bit of a false, simplistic narrative,
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Speaker 9: that Jim Chalmers is not quite the reformer he makes
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Speaker 9: himself out to be, that the driving force of ideas
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Speaker 9: comes from other parts of the government, and the Charmers is,
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Speaker 9: in some ways because he's not in that Albanesi in
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Speaker 9: a circle, somewhat of a marginalized figure. Now people around
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Speaker 9: Charmers dispute that, but it's a fascinating contest.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we can all see it as a broken promise.
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Speaker 2: The government's going to be hammered by it in the media.
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Speaker 2: They already are being hammered by it. But it seems
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Speaker 2: to be that the at least the political lesson from
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Speaker 2: the changes to the Stage three tax cuts is that
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Speaker 2: you know they can now get away with broken promises
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Speaker 2: that they won't be punished for it by the electorate.
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Speaker 6: I think you're spot on.
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Speaker 9: A key thing I found in researching this story is
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Speaker 9: that there has been years of political debate and analysis
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Speaker 9: on Julie Gillard's carbon tax renegging Tony Abbott's going back
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Speaker 9: on his word on cuts. See these moments were seen
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Speaker 9: as political suicide. The media landscape has changed significantly since then.
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Speaker 9: The way people receive information is fragmented. Voters paid less
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Speaker 9: attention to some of these pleasures. That's the idea in
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Speaker 9: parts of the government at least. And the Stage three
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Speaker 9: tax cuts were seen as a key moment in the
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Speaker 9: middle of last term. Your listeners will recall that after
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Speaker 9: the Voice referendum, the Prime Minister's approval ratings had sunk.
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Speaker 9: He needed to do something to get off the mat.
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Speaker 9: He reversed these Stage three tax cuts allowed people and
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Speaker 9: the lower and middle ends of the income spectrum to
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Speaker 9: get more money. There was about of a week of
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Speaker 9: really harsh criticism, particularly in some of the conservative press,
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Speaker 9: tabloid front pages, calling the Prime Minister a liar. He
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Speaker 9: wore them, he explained the changes and because the policy
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Speaker 9: benefited more Australians, he won the argument. And that's the
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Speaker 9: calculus here again.
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Speaker 2: And we'll see whether they are able to prosecute that
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Speaker 2: political argument. Just finally, I want to ask you about
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Speaker 2: one nation the result in Farah on the weekend. I mean,
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Speaker 2: clearly the Liberal Party is now facing an existential crisis,
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Speaker 2: but I'm interested in whether this has shocked the government
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Speaker 2: as well, what are you hearing?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I see Tim Wilson just walking in the corridor
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Speaker 9: behind me, So it's shocked people like him for sure.
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Speaker 9: Your editorial, I thought, was pretty much spot on Sharry
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Speaker 9: on this. The one nation surge kills off the mainstream
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Speaker 9: center right.
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Speaker 6: Party before it kills off labor.
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Speaker 9: Labor was worried over summer, particularly post Bondai that in
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Speaker 9: most opinion polls as well as its internal research, it
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Speaker 9: looked as if about one in ten labor voters were
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Speaker 9: drifting into the Pauline Hanson column. Now that's the portent,
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Speaker 9: potentially of bad things to come. But when the right
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Speaker 9: cannibalizes itself, it means a liberal party won't govern. And
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Speaker 9: it's quite extraordinary how quickly the debate on this is
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Speaker 9: shifting and how you know, Savage, the one nation upswing
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Speaker 9: has been for the coalition side for a long time.
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Speaker 9: The argument from coalition mp is like Tim Wilson, has been,
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Speaker 9: you know, don't let one nation eat into our base.
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Speaker 9: If they increase from fifteen to twenty percent, that means
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Speaker 9: we can't govern.
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Speaker 6: So make sure you vote for the party that can govern.
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Speaker 9: But with one Nation now above the Liberal Party in
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Speaker 9: all major polls, and with a commanding election result like
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Speaker 9: the one in Pharah, you can credibly argue if you're
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Speaker 9: Barnaby Joyce or Pauline Hansen, even though they know it's
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Speaker 9: highly unlikely they'll win government, but they can credibly argue
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Speaker 9: that they are the opposition, not Tim Wilson and his friends.
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Speaker 9: So vote for one nation, not the meek and mild Liberals.
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Speaker 9: So it's extraordinary how quickly that debate has shifted, and
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Speaker 9: we're in uncharted territory in Australia.
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Speaker 2: We are indeed. All right, Paul, really appreciate your analysis tonight,
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Speaker 2: and again congrats on that great piece today.
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Speaker 6: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: All right. I'll returned to the budget in a moment
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Speaker 2: with the shadow treasure of Tim Wilson. But I want
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Speaker 2: to turn now to this alleged anti Semitic incident that
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Speaker 2: unfolded on the weekend at a children's netball game. A
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Speaker 2: Jewish under twelve's girls netball team was playing the Old
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Speaker 2: Saints team in Marubra. A mother allegedly yelled f the Jews.
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Speaker 2: Then when she was questioned on that, she allegedly said
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Speaker 2: words to the effect of you all should have been eradicated.
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Speaker 2: Now three parents from the Jewish team say that they
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Speaker 2: heard it, and at least one at least one from
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Speaker 2: the opposing team. Now she has tonight been named by
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Speaker 2: the City Morning Herald and we can tell you her
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Speaker 2: name now for the first time as forty two year
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Speaker 2: old Jody scar Seller. Jody scar Seller. She refused to
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Speaker 2: comment when the Herald contacted her, but she said she
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Speaker 2: was scared.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Jewish community leader Alex Rifchen arrived on the scene shortly afterwards,
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Speaker 2: and he confronted Jody on the court.
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Speaker 1: I should say what's being alleged? Para. Did you actually
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Speaker 1: say what's being alleged?
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Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 1: One, I'm asking the question. So the multiple witnesses said
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Speaker 1: that you.
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Speaker 5: Said the Jewish.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, what are we going to call the police?
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Speaker 6: They have been called.
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Speaker 2: You can call them and I'm happy to speak to that.
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Speaker 9: I know that.
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Speaker 2: The police have now charged her with using offensive language
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Speaker 2: in a public place and she set her face Waverley
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Speaker 2: Court on June seventeen. She's also been banned by Netball
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Speaker 2: New South Wales from attending games while under investigation. Now,
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Speaker 2: one of the mothers who was present at that netball
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Speaker 2: game whose kids were on the court, had just given
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Speaker 2: evidence a few days earlier in the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 10: Yes, so we arrived in Bonde and my eight year
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Speaker 10: old just started crying, which was strange, and I said
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Speaker 10: to her, what's wrong and she said, now, when I
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Speaker 10: come to BONDEI I think about dying.
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Speaker 2: Dina gave very powerful evidence. You might recall I played
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Speaker 2: a bit of it on the show last week and
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Speaker 2: just a few days after that she had to deal
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Speaker 2: with allegedly anti Semitic abuse. Told it the kids, the
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Speaker 2: parents at the netball game. It's such a disgrace that
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Speaker 2: such anti Semitism is spilling into ordinary Australian life. For
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Speaker 2: more on this, let's bring it now. Sky News hosts
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Speaker 2: Steve Price and former Labor State Secretary and Chief of
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Speaker 2: Staff Camer Milner. Steve, this allegedly happened at an under
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Speaker 2: twelves netball game. I mean, you know, at a children's
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Speaker 2: netball game. It's just beyond belief, really.
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Speaker 1: It is.
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Speaker 11: And the timing of it, of course, we're in the
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Speaker 11: middle of the Royal Commission. We've had BONDI this happened.
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Speaker 11: This alleged event that took place at the netball happened
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Speaker 11: in Sydney, where Bondai took place. It's just extraordinary that anyone,
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Speaker 11: if these allegations are true, could be so ignorant. But
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Speaker 11: it seems that sport has become, or is, a very
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Speaker 11: fertile ground for anti Semitism. A very good friend of mine,
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Speaker 11: Jared Healy, has put a submission to the Royal Commission
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Speaker 11: into anti Semitism, and he has laid out very plainly
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Speaker 11: that on too many football fields, in too many places
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Speaker 11: that he's been, he has heard exactly the same sorts
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Speaker 11: of phraseology that is alleged here, people using anti Semitism
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Speaker 11: as some sort of sporting jibe or sporting insult to
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Speaker 11: try and upset people on the opposition. I'm absolutely staggered
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Speaker 11: that a forty two year old woman, if the allegations
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Speaker 11: are true, could actually stand there and say that. I'm speechless,
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Speaker 11: to be honest, it's disgraceful.
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Speaker 2: What I'm about to say is not part of the
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Speaker 2: police charges of the police case. But after that took place,
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Speaker 2: there were some other parents from the opposing team who
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Speaker 2: came to speak to some of the Jewish parents, and
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Speaker 2: one of the mothers said, well, there's a genocide in
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Speaker 2: Gars are going on, you know, what do you expect
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Speaker 2: and Caen, it's like these are eleven year old girls.
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Speaker 2: They're not to blame for whatever you think is happening
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Speaker 2: in Guars a whit, let me tell you, is not
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Speaker 2: a genocide.
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Speaker 12: It certainly isn't. It certainly isn't, Shari. But this is
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Speaker 12: the problem that the normalization of anti Semitism that's been
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Speaker 12: allowed to creep into our society and accelerated under Albanie.
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Speaker 12: I mean, we've all seen anti semonism over the years,
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Speaker 12: but it's been stamped out and tamped down. Women need
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Speaker 12: to be but under Albanize it's a rye fire and
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Speaker 12: you've seen that through your own someone as well, Shari.
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Speaker 12: And that's what's appalling that it isn't just at rallies
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Speaker 12: at the opera house where they're saying gas the Jews.
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Speaker 12: They're now saying f the Jews at a twelve year
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Speaker 12: old netball game. That's how disgusting anti semitis. It's but
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Speaker 12: what can I say is I think these people's crimes
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Speaker 12: should be just like the other things like assault and
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Speaker 12: other serious crimes. They should be named and shamed. These
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Speaker 12: people have no place in civil society. They have no
21:41
Speaker 12: place to hide and their names should be out there
21:44
Speaker 12: once they're charged like other serious crime Shari, because we've
21:47
Speaker 12: got to stamp this out and shame these people out
21:49
Speaker 12: of out of existence and shame them out of a
21:51
Speaker 12: twelve year old girl's netball game being a place for
21:53
Speaker 12: anti semitism.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think all Saints acted well and quickly,
21:58
Speaker 2: and so did or New South Wales. So that was
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Speaker 2: one good thing to come out of it, just to
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Speaker 2: see how quickly and the police as well. All right,
22:06
Speaker 2: let's turn to the despicable behavior of the Isis Bride
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Speaker 2: supporters on Thursday night. Now, journalists were at Melbourne Airport
22:14
Speaker 2: just they're doing their job and they were reportedly shoved
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Speaker 2: and blocked by these men in black Have a look
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Speaker 2: who came to welcome the women and children off the plane. Now,
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Speaker 2: one female journalist at Melbourne Airport was verbally attacked for
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Speaker 2: asking a simple question, why did you marry Isaac Harris?
22:35
Speaker 2: And then another scuffle broke out with one of the
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Speaker 2: handlers and a photographer Have a look, I mean, Steve.
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Speaker 2: These actions exemplify exactly why Australians are so concerned with
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Speaker 2: this cohort's return, because there are clearly not just the
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Speaker 2: return of Isis Prides, but clearly a group of people
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Speaker 2: who have us disdain for our country and our values.
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Speaker 11: Thousand percent. They were very threatening, those men. They were
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Speaker 11: waiting out in the rivals hall, waiting for whoever was
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Speaker 11: going to come through the customs. In the end it
23:21
Speaker 11: turned out to be one of the older woman's daughters
23:26
Speaker 11: and the eight children. And I spoke to a couple
23:30
Speaker 11: of reporters that were there. One of the TV reporters,
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Speaker 11: another female was punched in the stomach. The word slut
23:36
Speaker 11: was used, which is what we heard there in that
23:40
Speaker 11: exchange that you just played. These people were threatening, They
23:45
Speaker 11: had no regard for the law. I just wonder where
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Speaker 11: the police were, by the way, on the night they
23:51
Speaker 11: were shepherding these people through the car parking into a
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Speaker 11: bus that had curtains on it. They've got no regard
23:57
Speaker 11: for us. I mean that phrase shut you slat. That
24:01
Speaker 11: says a hell of a lot about the blokes who
24:04
Speaker 11: were there picking those women up on Thursday night.
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Speaker 2: All right, look back to the budget because I want
24:10
Speaker 2: to get your view on what we're going to see tomorrow. Also,
24:15
Speaker 2: we saw the Finance Minister Katie Gallagher Steve saying today
24:18
Speaker 2: that labor can't keep supercharging net zero spending forever. So
24:23
Speaker 2: she told The Australian that we've invested heavily in this area.
24:26
Speaker 2: The transition is underway, it's gaining paced, but you wouldn't
24:29
Speaker 2: expect to see what we've done in earlier budgets where
24:32
Speaker 2: we've kind of supercharged the investment. That's not sustainable. So Steve,
24:37
Speaker 2: do you think that is an indication they're going to
24:40
Speaker 2: wind back some of that subsidizing.
24:46
Speaker 11: I'd love to see Chris Boen's face when Katie Gallagher
24:49
Speaker 11: came out and said that, I mean, maybe we could
24:52
Speaker 11: have a public holiday and they could sack Chris Bow
24:54
Speaker 11: and we could stop spending all this money. She was
24:57
Speaker 11: being honest. I think she probably regrets now saying it
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Speaker 11: because they've had this little cabal of people and they
25:03
Speaker 11: never criticize the fact that billions and billions and billions
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Speaker 11: of dollars are being wasted on green energy projects. Everyone
25:11
Speaker 11: they try and set up when it's made in Australia,
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Speaker 11: green hydrogen, all this stuff. The money we've spent on
25:17
Speaker 11: that is extraordinary. They've had to cut back apparently in
25:20
Speaker 11: the budget, the tax breaks on electric vehicles that's costing
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Speaker 11: too much as well. I think she just spoke the truth.
25:27
Speaker 11: And you know where's Chris Balder. We haven't seen him
25:30
Speaker 11: out anywhere. I'd love next time he does turn up
25:33
Speaker 11: at one of his media conferences where he tells us
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Speaker 11: how many thousands of houses have got batteries bolted.
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Speaker 1: Onto the wall.
25:39
Speaker 11: When he's asked, well, have you got to now stop spending, minister?
25:43
Speaker 11: Your fellow minister thinks you should.
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Speaker 2: Well, maybe you should turn up to that press conference,
25:47
Speaker 2: Deve Cameron. Just before you go, you've written a great
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Speaker 2: column in The Nightly where you're basically saying that Pauline
25:54
Speaker 2: Hansen should be giving a budget reply speech perhaps instead
25:58
Speaker 2: of Angers.
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Speaker 12: Taylor to your well, to your editorial, I mean Anger's tailor.
26:05
Speaker 12: The Liberal Party are utterly irrelevant and look, I wish
26:07
Speaker 12: Tim Wilson all the best is on next. But the
26:09
Speaker 12: real reality is that people are not voting Liberal any longer.
26:11
Speaker 12: They're voting one nation in droves, and they've made the choice.
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Speaker 1: Voters have made the choice.
26:15
Speaker 12: And so therefore if you're looking at who the alternative
26:17
Speaker 12: government is, it is an Angus Taylor and the sorrowful
26:20
Speaker 12: Liberals who are in the Parliament. It is Pauline Hanson
26:22
Speaker 12: one nation who has set a fire under the voters
26:25
Speaker 12: out there in Australia and the pharaoh by elections just
26:27
Speaker 12: the start, all right.
26:30
Speaker 2: An excellent column that was actually very entertaining read. So
26:33
Speaker 2: I do recommend people go and read Cameron Milner's column.
26:36
Speaker 2: Thank you tonight in the night They all right, Steve Price, Cameron,
26:38
Speaker 2: great to see you, vote all right, and let's bring
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Speaker 2: in now Shadow Treasurer Tim Wilson, Tim, great to see
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Speaker 2: you again. Look, I want to start with the proposed
26:48
Speaker 2: changes to capital gains tax. If this is applied because
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Speaker 2: you know, people focus on the housing side of it,
26:54
Speaker 2: but if this is applied to productive assets, including shares
26:59
Speaker 2: and businesses, this could have a major impact on investors
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Speaker 2: in startups. It also decreases the incentive to invest at
27:06
Speaker 2: a time when AI is already posing structural risks to
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Speaker 2: our economy. So do you think productive assets should be
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Speaker 2: excluded from the changes?
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Speaker 13: Well, I think we need to start by saying that
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Speaker 13: the whole proposal shouldn't be included. Because the government went
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Speaker 13: to the last election saying that they weren't going to
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Speaker 13: do it. The Prime minister was red hot with rage
27:27
Speaker 13: when he said fifty times over I've said I'm not
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Speaker 13: going to do this, and now he's got over the
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Speaker 13: election and he's decided to portray the Australian people and
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Speaker 13: the trust that they gave him.
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Speaker 6: But there is a.
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Speaker 13: Material consequence to non property assets. I think a lot
27:42
Speaker 13: of people were lulled into the argument by the government
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Speaker 13: that this was just going to be about property and oh,
27:47
Speaker 13: it doesn't really affect them. I can tell you we're
27:50
Speaker 13: getting so many stories coming through our not the Tax
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Speaker 13: website at www dot notthtax dot com dot AU of
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Speaker 13: young Australian Yeah, well why not the young Australians who
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Speaker 13: are who have been investing into the future so they
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Speaker 13: can get a house deposit and now they're finding that
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Speaker 13: they're going to have double the tax rate on their shares.
28:13
Speaker 13: And of course we're getting a lot of founders who
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Speaker 13: are saying we might just leave the country and take
28:17
Speaker 13: our businesses with us. I found the flight, as it were,
28:21
Speaker 13: and your points right. We've got AI which is going
28:25
Speaker 13: to be a critical part of future growth of the economy.
28:28
Speaker 13: Australia's already one of the homes of so many people
28:32
Speaker 13: are AI specialists. They already leave overseas in many cases
28:36
Speaker 13: because they can't secure opportunity here, and this government is
28:39
Speaker 13: saying to those that are left, get nicked.
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Speaker 2: Tim, you often speak about intergenerational inequity you have for
28:48
Speaker 2: your entire political career. Do you therefore agree with Labor
28:53
Speaker 2: that winding back negative gearing and capital gains tax discounts
28:56
Speaker 2: would help the young people get into the market or
28:59
Speaker 2: do you think that these changes, you know, the landlords
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Speaker 2: would just pass on the increase to renters.
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Speaker 6: Well, it's not even about what I think.
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Speaker 13: You just need to go and look at what happened
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Speaker 13: when Paul Keating did this back in the nineteen eighties
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Speaker 13: got rid of negative gearing. What happened The price of
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Speaker 13: rents went up. There's already been modeling been done by
29:21
Speaker 13: SQ and research which has found that between one hundred
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Speaker 13: and sixty dollars increase in rent in Sydney per week
29:26
Speaker 13: one hundred and thirty dollars or thereabouts in Melbourne per
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Speaker 13: week are a consequence of this change. This isn't going
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Speaker 13: to do anything for housing supply, and no one's really
29:35
Speaker 13: arguing that it is. What's the tax that young Australians
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Speaker 13: pay the most and it's income tax, and so far
29:42
Speaker 13: we've seen no real effort to reduce that. In fact,
29:45
Speaker 13: that's the one tax the government's kept stagnant and wants
29:48
Speaker 13: to continue to reap the benefits of while they simply
29:51
Speaker 13: seek to go after taxes on other people in the
29:54
Speaker 13: community increased the cost burden on them.
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Speaker 2: I was just talking to Paul a bit earlier about
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Speaker 2: the political impact of breaking an election promise. Do you
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Speaker 2: think voters will punish the Albanezi government for this or
30:08
Speaker 2: are they just going to get away with it.
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Speaker 13: I think voters now no longer look at him with
30:15
Speaker 13: any sense of trust, and more to the point, the
30:18
Speaker 13: next time they say we're not going to do that,
30:19
Speaker 13: we can legitimately turn around and say, well, you know,
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Speaker 13: fullest once, shame on me, fullest twice. Fall'st one, shame
30:26
Speaker 13: on you, fullest twice, shame on me. And so I
30:30
Speaker 13: think the situation now is their credibility is in tatters
30:33
Speaker 13: on tax and their integrity around it. So I do
30:37
Speaker 13: think people will start to see through the government and
30:40
Speaker 13: the dishonesty. But it's ultimately up to a viable alternatively
30:44
Speaker 13: put forward, and we're putting a lot of work into
30:47
Speaker 13: making sure that we have an alternative tax vision for
30:50
Speaker 13: this country so that we can seek to prosecute it.
30:53
Speaker 13: Because young Australians need hope. The government is letting them
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Speaker 13: into a paddic of despair and seeking to feed resentment
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Speaker 13: and fights around family tables.
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Speaker 6: They need hope for the future.
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Speaker 2: Well, it seems like at the moment you guys aren't
31:07
Speaker 2: the alternative that it's one nation. So is the lesson
31:11
Speaker 2: from Farah that the Liberal Party needs to take more
31:15
Speaker 2: conservative policy positions.
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Speaker 6: Well, we are the opposition and one by election does
31:23
Speaker 6: not make.
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Speaker 2: Australian and the South Australian result of course, do.
31:29
Speaker 6: You mean where we're still the opposition?
31:32
Speaker 13: The reality is and we just had an a p
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Speaker 13: and by election only last week weekend in Victoria where
31:38
Speaker 13: the Liberal Party won. So I know Cameron Milner and
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Speaker 13: others who are part of the Labor Party artifice want
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Speaker 13: to run this argument.
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Speaker 6: We have a lot of work to do.
31:47
Speaker 13: I am under no ambiguity about that. We need to
31:50
Speaker 13: rebuild trust, we need to strengthen our policy offering and
31:53
Speaker 13: we need to make sure that Australians believe so strongly
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Speaker 13: in what we're offering that they're out to prosecute the
31:59
Speaker 13: case for us, and that's a central part of where
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Speaker 13: we need to be in the next election. But it's
32:04
Speaker 13: about actually how do Australians get ahead, And the one
32:07
Speaker 13: way they don't get ahead is with new taxes, which
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Speaker 13: is what's been proposed by the Albanese government.
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Speaker 2: But Tim, I mean this isn't just a political line
32:14
Speaker 2: run by Labor figures like Cameron Milner. I mean, this
32:18
Speaker 2: is the result one nation one Farah. It had one,
32:21
Speaker 2: i think four or five seats in the South Australian
32:24
Speaker 2: election as well. It is polling ahead of the Liberal
32:28
Speaker 2: Party and those polling figures have come to fruition at
32:33
Speaker 2: the ballot box.
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Speaker 13: And I'm not contesting that there. Every election is different
32:39
Speaker 13: and every election is up there to be one. The compelling,
32:42
Speaker 13: the clear story out of Farah, out of state elections
32:47
Speaker 13: is that once upon a time the pendulum just swung
32:50
Speaker 13: between Liberal and Labor. I've said many times that is
32:53
Speaker 13: no longer what happens now.
32:55
Speaker 6: You need pendulum swings on different.
32:57
Speaker 13: Axes, and we need to be the most bold, compelling,
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Speaker 13: confident liberals that we need to be for the future direction.
33:04
Speaker 2: But just bold in what direction? So doesn't mean more conservative,
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Speaker 2: which is what one nation is how they're attracting votes.
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Speaker 13: Well, I don't think it's a choice between left or
33:15
Speaker 13: right in the old expression of Reagan, it's up or down,
33:18
Speaker 13: which is we need to be empowering people to live
33:21
Speaker 13: out their best lives to be respected. Where heart a
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Speaker 13: nation where hard work pays off and Australians are in
33:26
Speaker 13: control of their lives. And that's the policy orientation that
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Speaker 13: we should have.
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Speaker 2: Just finally, do you think the Liberal Party will have
33:34
Speaker 2: to consider a governing coalition with one nation to have
33:37
Speaker 2: any shot at getting back into government? No, Well, the
33:43
Speaker 2: rate you're going at the moment, you will.
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Speaker 6: Well watch us all right, I will do that.
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Speaker 2: Tim Wilson, thank you very much. Still to come, Trump
33:55
Speaker 2: rejects Iran's latest peace proposal and what does this mean
33:58
Speaker 2: for the war? Plus the heartbreaking testimony at the Royal
34:01
Speaker 2: Commission today revealing some Australians no longer one to associate
34:06
Speaker 2: with Jews. Ray Hadley will be here at the desk
34:09
Speaker 2: after the break. Welcome back. Well. Tarlie Blickbaugh from the
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Speaker 2: Door Foundation gave evidence to the Royal Commission into anti Semitism,
34:20
Speaker 2: which is holding public hearings again this week, and she
34:23
Speaker 2: spoke about a major survey which showed some Australians were
34:27
Speaker 2: reluctant to be friends with Jews.
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Speaker 10: It demonstrates a declining belief in a multicultural Australia. It
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Speaker 10: shows that attitudes towards the Jewish community have fallen both
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Speaker 10: in the judaeophobia subscale and the anti Zionism subscale, and
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Speaker 10: one of the most significant falls was in the willingness
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Speaker 10: of Australians to have Jewish friends.
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Speaker 2: So Sad singer Deborah Conway also gave powerful evidence about
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Speaker 2: how publicly supporting Israel's right to exist has impacted on
35:06
Speaker 2: her own career. She told the Commission she had been
35:09
Speaker 2: yelled out, hissed at, and targeted at writers' festivals.
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Speaker 14: I was walking around the city and all the little
35:16
Speaker 14: town and people were kind of hissing. There was one
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Speaker 14: person that hissed at me, shame on you, And I
35:24
Speaker 14: just thought, wow, you know, it's a kind of a
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Speaker 14: very strange thing to find in a at a writer's festival.
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Speaker 2: Johnny minow Is radio legend Ray Hadley Ray, I mean,
35:38
Speaker 2: if only that were the case. It's not a strange
35:40
Speaker 2: thing to find anywhere these days.
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Speaker 15: Really sad. I don't know, Debra Conway, or it might
35:45
Speaker 15: have for a long time, lovely, but it really hurts
35:51
Speaker 15: to think that someone who hasn't opposing to you the
35:53
Speaker 15: many at writers' festivals is hissed at. It's sad to
35:58
Speaker 15: think the Prime Minister had to be kicking and screaming
36:01
Speaker 15: to have a royal commission. I mean, everyone's forgotten that
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Speaker 15: he was speaking about it, talking about it, but not
36:08
Speaker 15: doing anything about it until eventually someone tapped him on
36:11
Speaker 15: the shoulder and said this has to happen.
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Speaker 1: But it took him a long time to get to
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Speaker 1: that point.
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Speaker 2: Weeks and weeks, yeah, for.
36:17
Speaker 1: Sure, and certain.
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Speaker 15: Look, I've been watching your program tonight and I find
36:23
Speaker 15: it really distressing that we're talking about the things we're
36:28
Speaker 15: talking about and the actions of that galute in Melbourne.
36:34
Speaker 15: And I'm thinking those people who gathered in Melbourne, those
36:37
Speaker 15: men must be friends or family of the people returning,
36:41
Speaker 15: including the children. And I don't understand how you can
36:45
Speaker 15: deradicalize children that are born into those camps. Father being
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Speaker 15: an ISIS terrorist, mother allegedly a supporter of an ISIS terrorist.
36:54
Speaker 1: Now apparently to de radicalized children.
36:57
Speaker 15: Those exposed to ISIS indocrination requires specialized, long term psychological
37:03
Speaker 15: rehabilitation rather than punitive measures. Effective approaches focus on trauma care, education,
37:08
Speaker 15: social integration. I think while we're dealing with the children,
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Speaker 15: I don't know how you achieve that, but there are
37:14
Speaker 15: some adults that need to be deradicalized. I mean, in
37:19
Speaker 15: any sense to say to a woman, shut up, you
37:22
Speaker 15: slut is offensive in the extreme. If you're going to
37:28
Speaker 15: charge someone at a netball match for offensive language, it's.
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Speaker 1: Quite clear in all the videos who said it.
37:35
Speaker 15: Why has Netblake been tapped on the shoulder by the
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Speaker 15: Victorian police and said.
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Speaker 1: Come here, you good point. Why isn't he charged?
37:41
Speaker 15: And the reason I'm distressed as well. I spent much
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Speaker 15: of my younger years going to netball matches with my
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Speaker 15: three daughters. And I can tell you that because I'm
37:53
Speaker 15: involved heavily in rugby league and have been.
37:55
Speaker 1: You go to a netball.
37:56
Speaker 15: Match and you misbehave these rather forceful young women and
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Speaker 15: older women in brown coats come and stand next to
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Speaker 15: people who want to yell and scream and say, we
38:07
Speaker 15: don't do that in netball.
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Speaker 2: Don't tell me, you know about this from experience.
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Speaker 15: Now, I've watched other people be marched off Blake's my size,
38:14
Speaker 15: marched off the court by smaller, older ladies. And so
38:18
Speaker 15: to think it's got the stage allegedly where someone supporting
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Speaker 15: an under twelve netball team is going to go to
38:26
Speaker 15: that length in front of Jewish people is just shameful.
38:33
Speaker 15: And then the evidence again from the Royal Commission to
38:35
Speaker 15: say that. And I count among many of my friends
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Speaker 15: people of all faith, you know, whether they be Maronite
38:43
Speaker 15: Christians from Lebanon, or be Muslims or Catholics or Calithampians.
38:48
Speaker 15: But many of my very close friends are Jewish people.
38:52
Speaker 15: And I'm proud to say it, and I'll keep saying it.
38:54
Speaker 15: As a matter of fact, I spent a week in
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Speaker 15: New Zealand last week and two gentlemen approached.
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Speaker 1: In a place called arrow Town. They're your viewers.
39:03
Speaker 15: They live in Victoria, and they came up and pat
39:06
Speaker 15: me on the back and said thanks for what you said.
39:08
Speaker 15: After what happened in December when I was with you
39:11
Speaker 15: down there at.
39:11
Speaker 2: BONDI, I'll never forget that you came down to the
39:14
Speaker 2: memorial site where we're having the show and you spoke
39:17
Speaker 2: from the heart with such anger and passion at what
39:22
Speaker 2: had just happened, and everyone was gathering around.
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Speaker 15: You and well because at that time Chris Mens was
39:30
Speaker 15: doing his best, but the Prime Minister was never to
39:33
Speaker 15: be cited. And on the Prime minister. Look, I've been
39:37
Speaker 15: watching stuff all week.
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Speaker 1: James A.
39:40
Speaker 15: Doherty has been heavy one of your colleagues from the
39:42
Speaker 15: Daily Telegraph, and I work with his dad at bearing stages, Steve,
39:46
Speaker 15: but I commend him. He's got the bottle to stand
39:50
Speaker 15: up for the Prime minister and say fifty times he
39:54
Speaker 15: didn't just deny it. He berated James and others in
39:57
Speaker 15: the media for saying, you know, are you sure about
40:01
Speaker 15: negative yearing? Are you sure about capital gain? And he
40:04
Speaker 15: berated them. And now we learn today by the Sydney
40:07
Speaker 15: Morning Herald that they've hatched this plan shortly after they're
40:11
Speaker 15: stunning victory and they had no mandate. People who've got
40:15
Speaker 15: to understand a mandate is an announcement, like John Howard said,
40:20
Speaker 15: jst is going to come in.
40:21
Speaker 1: He nearly lost the election because of that.
40:24
Speaker 15: But you've got to have the bottle, You've got to
40:25
Speaker 15: have the courage to announce your plans to the electorate
40:28
Speaker 15: before you're elected.
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Speaker 1: He denied it. He's a liar.
40:34
Speaker 15: I mean, I don't take any great pleasure. It's the
40:36
Speaker 15: highest position in the country, our prime minister. But our
40:39
Speaker 15: prime minister is.
40:40
Speaker 1: A liar and he's allowed to get away with it.
40:43
Speaker 2: There's so many examples of it now, whether it's falling
40:46
Speaker 2: off the stage, whether it's saying the story about the
40:48
Speaker 2: Isis Brides coming home was wrong, there's this. I mean that,
40:51
Speaker 2: there are just so many examples where he has misled
40:55
Speaker 2: or lied to Australians. And the reason I had Paul
40:59
Speaker 2: on it earlier is because he found out that Albaniz
41:02
Speaker 2: he made this call back in December, which, as you say,
41:05
Speaker 2: is what six seven months after the election.
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Speaker 15: He thinks he got a mandate, Prime Minister. You don't
41:11
Speaker 15: have a man unless you tell us what you're going
41:13
Speaker 15: to do. That's when you've got a mandate. If you
41:15
Speaker 15: told us that when o'dahity and others were questioning you
41:18
Speaker 15: and said, yes, I'm going to do something about capital
41:21
Speaker 15: gains tax negative gearing, that's your mandate. But you have
41:24
Speaker 15: no mandate. And I'll tell you what else you've got.
41:26
Speaker 15: You've got no heart, no heart whatsoever. Hart the size
41:31
Speaker 15: of a Carraway seed. And look then you come, of
41:36
Speaker 15: course to what happened in Farah. And my early days
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Speaker 15: of broadcasting was coinciding with a talk radio I'm talking about,
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Speaker 15: not sport, was with the elevation of Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 1: And I like Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 15: I know that I've been critical over I have a
41:51
Speaker 15: couple of things on this program, but I genuinely like her.
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Speaker 1: I think she's a.
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Speaker 15: Pretty decent person that sometimes shoots from the hip and
41:59
Speaker 15: is a bit of a scattergun approach, but that's who
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Speaker 15: she is. But I think it's fantastic that finally, finally,
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Speaker 15: there appears to be an opposition and if those in
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Speaker 15: the Liberal Party want to know why they did so
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Speaker 15: poorly and Pauline did so well. And I've been saying
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Speaker 15: this for years. Not since Tony Abbott, with all due
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Speaker 15: respect the Scott Morrison, and not since John Howard have
42:21
Speaker 15: we had a liberal leader espousing liberal views. And now
42:25
Speaker 15: we have a leader that's got less traction than the predecessor.
42:30
Speaker 15: And then Andrew Hasty, who I thought was open the side,
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Speaker 15: tells me that Malcolm Turnbull's a genius. I believe I mean,
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Speaker 15: who was a Labor Prime minister mascarading as a Liberal
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Speaker 15: prime minister. What the Liberal Party need to do? And
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Speaker 15: Pauline Hanson's doing it. She's responding to what most Australians
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Speaker 15: from the right think they need to provide an opposition
42:53
Speaker 15: to the Labor Party, not be centrist and not just
42:57
Speaker 15: say well, look, climate change, it's a real thing, so
43:01
Speaker 15: we've got to really observe it. I mean, we've got
43:04
Speaker 15: to allow wind farms to go all over rural parts
43:06
Speaker 15: of Australia. And I'm convinced. I don't know whether Barnaby's
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Speaker 15: right about Western City, but I am convinced that in
43:12
Speaker 15: sort of heartland stuff, in rural Queensland and rural New
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Speaker 15: South Wales, one nation is going to do very very well.
43:19
Speaker 15: They can't govern, but they'll do very very well. And
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Speaker 15: the sooner we find a liberal leader that leans a
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Speaker 15: bit further to the right than the current mob, the
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Speaker 15: better off we're going to be.
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Speaker 2: So I've had the same view that one nation can't govern,
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Speaker 2: they're not going to get into government. But you know
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Speaker 2: what I've been thinking after the Pharaoh result, well, perhaps
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Speaker 2: if their primary vote is that high, if it's not
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Speaker 2: just in regional areas because I'm sure, like me, Ray,
43:46
Speaker 2: you speak to a lot of people who are now
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Speaker 2: saying that they'll support one nation, and so if their
43:52
Speaker 2: primary vote is that high, well perhaps they would be competitive.
43:56
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it's this Donald Trump model. Remember, however,
43:58
Speaker 2: and said Donald Trump will will never win on whatever
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Speaker 2: vote for him. I mean maybe it's a similar model.
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Speaker 1: Look.
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Speaker 15: I made a comment today and made the Telegraph that
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Speaker 15: if I had said what I'm about to say ten
44:10
Speaker 15: years ago or five years ago, that Nagel Faraji is
44:13
Speaker 15: likely to be the next UK Prime minister, they get
44:15
Speaker 15: the straight jacket out and say, poor old Haadle, he's
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Speaker 15: gone mad. But that's what's going to happen on the
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Speaker 15: back of the council elections for sure and certain.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, I've gone it too long.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, you're the best. Thank you for
44:25
Speaker 2: being here.
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Speaker 1: Lovely to be with it.
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Speaker 2: We'll see you next route still to come. An Australian
44:30
Speaker 2: by an MP comes after Keirs Starmer's job plus the
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Speaker 2: on again, off again peace deal between Trump and Iran.
44:36
Speaker 2: That's after the break. Welcome back and let's bring you now.
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Speaker 2: Sky News contributor Kosher Gada Kosha great to see you. Look,
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Speaker 2: President Trump has rejected Iran's latest so called peace offer,
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Speaker 2: a peace offer. He says it's totally unacceptable, and he's
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Speaker 2: posted online about it. So what are Trump's reasons for
44:59
Speaker 2: reject taking this light is proposal? And what do we
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Speaker 2: actually know about what Iran is putting forward?
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Speaker 16: Not all the details, unfortunately, are public, but when we
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Speaker 16: boil it down, it's this now fabled fourteen point plan.
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Speaker 16: There have been various versions of this. That's the current
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Speaker 16: one on the table, and the impasse seems to center
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Speaker 16: around three things. One is the nuclear threat, and the
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Speaker 16: US and President Trump are saying moratorium on any and
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Speaker 16: all nuclear enrichment for twenty years, and the Ranians are
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Speaker 16: saying that's too much, and they're sort of cabbling back
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Speaker 16: from that, saying it's got to be a shorter term
45:34
Speaker 16: and it's not going to be any and all enrichment,
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Speaker 16: And I think the devil is in the details in there.
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Speaker 16: The second one is on the strait where Iran has
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Speaker 16: successfully flexed that muscle, I think for all the world
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Speaker 16: to see, and knows that that's a leverage point. And
45:47
Speaker 16: so the US is saying open it up completely, no
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Speaker 16: more issues at all or holding the world hostage to that,
45:53
Speaker 16: and Iran is saying, well, we still want since they
45:56
Speaker 16: know it's a leverage point, they want some control mechanism
45:58
Speaker 16: or some ability to shut it or charge it all
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Speaker 16: or things like that. And I think that's what Trump
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Speaker 16: was referring to when he said absolutely not. And then
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Speaker 16: the third is around sanctions and security guarantees, where Iran
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Speaker 16: wants the US to provide some guarantee that they will
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Speaker 16: not attack them again, and obviously the US sees that
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Speaker 16: as their biggest leverage point and doesn't want to concede
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Speaker 16: on that before agreeing to the other three. So we're
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Speaker 16: in the thick of negotiations and as of today it
46:21
Speaker 16: seems like we're haven't made much progress, but hopefully the
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Speaker 16: details underneath that are moving towards some sort of closure
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Speaker 16: of the gap.
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Speaker 2: The absolute worst outcome would be if the war ends
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Speaker 2: in Iran has control or some sort of control over
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Speaker 2: the Strait of homemovies. I mean, that would really be
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Speaker 2: a decisive victory for them. Nevinaho gave an interview to
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Speaker 2: American television overnight. Let's have a quick look.
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Speaker 17: I think it accomplished a great deal, but it's not
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Speaker 17: over because there's still nuclear material, enrich uranium that has
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Speaker 17: to be taken out of Iran. There is still enrichment
46:58
Speaker 17: sites that have to be dismantled, There are still proxies
47:03
Speaker 17: that Iran supports. There are ballistic missiles that they still
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Speaker 17: want to produce. Now we've degraded a lot of it,
47:10
Speaker 17: but all of that is still there and there's work
47:13
Speaker 17: to be done.
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Speaker 2: Yes, a pretty good indication that he doesn't think the
47:17
Speaker 2: war should be over right now. But Kosho, I'm keen
47:21
Speaker 2: to ask you about this Australian bond UK Labor and
47:24
Speaker 2: P who is threatening Kiyostama tell us about this.
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Speaker 16: Yes, So obviously the elections that just happened was kind
47:33
Speaker 16: of a bloodbath for Labor Party. They lost eleven hundred
47:36
Speaker 16: to fifteen hundred seats and in general care Starmer's the
47:40
Speaker 16: shine has been off him. He's been mired in a
47:42
Speaker 16: lot of political heat and after those election results it
47:45
Speaker 16: creates a wide opening for the machinations, you know, within
47:49
Speaker 16: the party. So Catherine West, who's Australia born from Mansfield, Victoria, MP,
47:55
Speaker 16: she's sort of putting her hand up not so much
47:58
Speaker 16: to maybe displace him though, that's certainly possible more to
48:01
Speaker 16: be a stocking horse where she could get the party started,
48:05
Speaker 16: as they say, to get other people who have more
48:07
Speaker 16: votes and more support than her to finally step up
48:10
Speaker 16: and directly challenge Kure Starmer. And many are saying that
48:14
Speaker 16: his days really are numbered right now. The Energy Minister,
48:17
Speaker 16: the Health Minister of various MPs seem to have short
48:20
Speaker 16: up support but just haven't been willing to go there.
48:22
Speaker 16: And she's kind of rising up and triggering that process.
48:26
Speaker 16: And I think a lot will be revealed really in
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Speaker 16: short over the next twenty four to forty eight hours.
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Speaker 6: As soon as that all.
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Speaker 2: Right, Kosha, I really appreciate your time. Thank you, and
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Speaker 2: after the breakout, tell you how many people have now
48:39
Speaker 2: put in submissions to the Royal Commission. Before we go,
48:48
Speaker 2: I want to show you another excellent point that Tylie
48:50
Speaker 2: Blickbaugh from the Door Foundation said today about the confusion
48:54
Speaker 2: over anti Semitism.
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Speaker 10: Many people don't self identify is antisemitic, but the research
49:02
Speaker 10: shows that when you replace the word Jew with the
49:04
Speaker 10: word Zionism, the same hatred, the same prejudice exists.
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Speaker 14: That you inquire of the respondent what their understanding of
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Speaker 14: zion isn't.
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Speaker 10: It Yes, And in fact most can't define it.
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Speaker 2: And the antisemitism Royal Commission has now heard from almost
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Speaker 2: ten thousand Australians, almost ten thousand submissions, more than six
49:31
Speaker 2: thousand from Jewish Australians, and that tells you that something
49:35
Speaker 2: has badly gone wrong in this country. I mean there
49:38
Speaker 2: are only around one hundred to one hundred and twenty
49:41
Speaker 2: thousand Jews living in Australia, so it means roughly five
49:46
Speaker 2: percent of the entire Jewish community has felt compelled to
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Speaker 2: make a submission. All right, I won't be here tomorrow
49:53
Speaker 2: night because it's the Federal budget, so I'll see you
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Speaker 2: on Wednesday at eight pm. That's it for me. And
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Speaker 2: up now, poor married life.