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271. What Fitness Taught Me About Leadership · The Kathie Owen Perspective Podcast

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  Kathie (2): Let me start with something that might sound strange coming from someone who now studies leadership teams in mergers and acquisitions.
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  Kathie (2): One of the first places I ever learned to recognize human behavior under pressure was get this a gym.
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  Kathie (2): Years ago, I was training a woman who was a senior executive.
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  Kathie (2): Very smart, very successful, very disciplined.
• 0:28
  Kathie (2): But one day during a workout, something interesting happened.
• 0:33
  Kathie (2): The workout got hard, not impossible, just uncomfortable.
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  Kathie (2): And in that moment I watched something change.
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  Kathie (2): Her breathing shifted, her posture collapsed slightly.
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  Kathie (2): Her focus moved away from the movement and toward the discomfort.
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  Kathie (2): And she said something I had heard many, many times before,"I don't think I can do this." Now this woman ran a company.
• 1:04
  Kathie (2): She negotiated complex deals, she managed teams, but in that moment, the pressure of a simple workout exposed something deeper, a pattern.
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  Kathie (2): A response to stress.
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  Kathie (2): And that moment stuck with me because years later when I began observing leadership teams during high stakes transitions, I saw the exact same patterns just at a much bigger scale.
• 1:33
  Kathie (2): Welcome to the Kathie Owen perspective.
• 1:36
  Kathie (2): This is where we talk about something that most organizations overlook human patterns under pressure, because when pressure enters a system, whether that's a leadership team, a merger, or a company in transition, people reveal who they really are.
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  Kathie (2): Not who they say they are, not who their resume says they are, but who they actually are under stress and that matters more than anything else.
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  Kathie (2): Most people assume.
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  Kathie (2): I learned to recognize these patterns inside boardrooms, but that's not where it started.
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  Kathie (2): It started in a gym.
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  Kathie (2): I began personal training in the year 2000, and over the last 26 years, I've trained hundreds of people, mostly women, executives, entrepreneurs, professionals, people who carried a lot of responsibility.
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  Kathie (2): And when you train people consistently for years, something interesting happens.
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  Kathie (2): You begin to see patterns not just in bodies, but in behavior.
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  Kathie (2): The gym is one of the most honest environments you will ever see because pressure appears immediately, a workout gets difficult, fatigue shows up, and suddenly people reveal things about themselves.
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  Kathie (2): Some people step forward, some people step back.
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  Kathie (2): Some people get curious and some people avoid discomfort.
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  Kathie (2): Some people rush too hard and burn out.
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  Kathie (2): And some people quietly show up every day and do the work.
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  Kathie (2): You start noticing something very quickly what people say they want and what their behavior reveals.
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  Kathie (2): Those are often two completely different things.
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  Kathie (2): And when you see this for years, you begin to develop something very powerful pattern recognition.
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  Kathie (2): I remember training a woman one time.
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  Kathie (2): It was one of our first sessions, and she told me she never really lifted weights before, but as soon as she started moving, I noticed something.
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  Kathie (2): The way she held the weights, the way her shoulders moved, the way her body stabilized naturally, there was familiarity there.
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  Kathie (2): So I asked her a question,"did you play sports when you were younger?" She looked surprised.
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  Kathie (2): "Yes." She said,"I played softball." And then she asked the question I hear all the time,"how did you know?" And I told her Something simple.
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  Kathie (2): "I can tell by the way you move." Muscle memory leaves patterns.
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  Kathie (2): The body remembers things long after the mind forgets them, and once you see patterns, you start seeing them everywhere.
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  Kathie (2): At one point in my career, I was hired by a founder to train his wife.
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  Kathie (2): She was the CEO of their company.
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  Kathie (2): Over time, the relationship grew and eventually they asked me to run the gym inside their corporate office.
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  Kathie (2): I completely redesigned that gym, turf, rubber flooring, functional fitness training equipment, graphics on the wall.
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  Kathie (2): It became a space people actually wanted to spend time in.
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  Kathie (2): But the most interesting part wasn't the gym itself.
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  Kathie (2): It was what I started seeing inside of it.
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  Kathie (2): Because now I wasn't just observing individuals.
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  Kathie (2): I was a observing an entire organization.
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  Kathie (2): Executives came through that gym managers came through, team members came through.
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  Kathie (2): And something fascinating began to appear.
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  Kathie (2): The way people approached their workouts, it looked very similar to the way they approached their work.
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  Kathie (2): Some people avoided challenge, some people pushed too hard and burned out.
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  Kathie (2): Some were consistent and disciplined.
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  Kathie (2): Others relied on motivation and disappeared when it faded.
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  Kathie (2): The gym became a window into the company and the patterns were everywhere.
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  Kathie (2): That's when something clicked for me.
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  Kathie (2): I wasn't just training bodies, I was reading systems.
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  Kathie (2): Bodies are systems teams are systems organizations are systems.
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  Kathie (2): And pressure reveals the patterns inside those systems.
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  Kathie (2): Fast forward to today.
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  Kathie (2): Much of my work now involves studying leadership dynamics during high pressure moments, growth, transitions, mergers, acquisitions, and here's something that almost no one talks about.
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  Kathie (2): Financial diligence, studies, numbers.
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  Kathie (2): Operational diligence studies processes, but very few people study the human patterns holding everything together.
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  Kathie (2): And those patterns often determine whether value holds or value erodes.
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  Kathie (2): Because when pressure increases, behavior changes.
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  Kathie (2): Leaders reveal identity attachment.
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  Kathie (2): Teams reveal loyalty structures.
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  Kathie (2): Conflict patterns become visible.
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  Kathie (2): And suddenly the numbers on the spreadsheet start behaving very differently than expected.
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  Kathie (2): Looking back, the path makes perfect sense My consulting career didn't begin when I started working with leadership teams.
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  Kathie (2): It began the moment I started watching patterns.
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  Kathie (2): In breathing, in posture, in consistency, in stress responses.
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  Kathie (2): The gym was simply my first laboratory.
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  Kathie (2): Today that laboratory is leadership teams and organizations, but the skill is the same.
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  Kathie (2): Pattern recognition under pressure.
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  Kathie (2): If this perspective is interesting to you, I wrote a full article that goes deeper into this story and the work I do today.
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  Kathie (2): There's a link to the blog post that accompanies this episode in the show notes and description below.
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  Kathie (2): It also includes bonus resources and more information about working with.
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  Kathie (2): And if you work in mergers and acquisitions, leadership or high pressure environments, hello, who doesn't?
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  Kathie (2): You'll probably recognize many of the patterns we talked about today.
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  Kathie (2): Because pressure never creates patterns, pressure reveals them.
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  Kathie (2): This has been the Kathie Owen perspective.
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  Kathie (2): I trust that you found it helpful, and if you know someone who could benefit from this, please share it with them, and I'll see you in the next episode.