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RHOBH: "Magic Pants" and Interview with Interior Designer Tommy Huerter · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

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  Drama Darling Drama, Darling Drama, Darling. Hey, everybody, welcome back
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  to Drama Darling. I Mamie Phillips joining me as always is Emily desis em
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  how's it going? Are you recovered from Bravo Kan yet? We are day
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  four out? It's Thursday. Check in with me. How are you feeling.
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  I'm finally able to process what happened at Bravo Kan a little bit,
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  but it's still it's a lot. There's still so much coming out that I
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  didn't even know was happening. You, I know, everything was on the
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  peripheral at times that we didn't know it was unfurling as we didn't know it.
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  And thank goodness to all of the accounts out there that are just bringing
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  it to us day after day, and I'm not tired of seeing it.
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  Like it's crazy that brav ended days ago and it was only last night I
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  was made aware that Sonia Morgan has been having sex with Owen Wilson in an
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  asil Ohen Wilson, we did it and stud I mean on a yacht.
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  I can't. Okay, please break down this story for me. Where she
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  said this on a panel, Yes, she was on the Legacy panel.
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  I guess I honestly, it was that round robin thing where you didn't know
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  who said what and Andy put it out there. I forget the game and
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  Darling's you probably know the whole thing, but I just it was something where
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  Sonia there was a factoid and someone had to identify who it was about and
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  who said it. Okay, something that was personal that we don't know from
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  the show. And apparently Sonia Morgan is I mean. And then also she's
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  like and he likes it from behind, I'm like and poor like Owen Wilson
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  was not counting on this. Where is Owen Wilson today? Like is he
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  married and have a family? Like, and all of a sudden the headlines
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  are like Owen Wilson, Owen Wilson, like sure from her heart, I
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  don't know. And Sonia Morgan, you know she's been with the most she
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  hasn't she been like with Robert de Niro, alpac you know, something like
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  she's gone and been Kennedy John or like yeah, Jack Nicholson, I don't
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  know someone of that acting caliber. Yeah, Sonya, Sonya, she has
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  the last time of all the time, she sure does. Well, thank
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  you for reminding me that was not in my news though it should be.
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  I had a screenshot to mention that, but I didn't get there. But
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  we do have some more news that's like unraveling from Bravocan, but all so
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  in real time. Let me before we get into that, let me remind
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  you that my Cabaremy that was in Las Vegas during BRAVOCN sponsored by twenty one
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  please do not forward or share with anyone under twenty one, and please drink
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  responsibly. Also over on the Patreon, we are doing bonus episodes of Winterhouse.
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  So we did an app yesterday Angela and I that's up there. Today
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  we're talking Beverly Hills and after the drama interview today is going to be Tommy
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  Horder, who's an interior designer who I found on TikTok, who is spectacular
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  and he actually he doesn't do this all the time, but he has dipped
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  into doing reviews of how swives homes and apartments and things, so and I
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  just find them so fascinating. He really breaks it down from a structural standpoint,
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  from a design standpoint, and also being a Bravo fans standpoint knowing the
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  world. So that is after the Beverly Hills recap, you just gonna You're
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  just gonna just jump right into that, So stay around after this recap.
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  In the meantime, let's get into some dish emalaie serving dish. The sag
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  strike is over a sag after a oh, thank god, we are done.
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  We're done. Yeah, LA's back, baby, Los Angeles, Thanks
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  God. I swear I was worried. I was. I've been on pins
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  and needles this week more than ever because I just really didn't have any faith
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  in the AMPTP to come to the table with an agreement because they're just like
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  a housewife. They storm off that reunion stage and then like I'm done,
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  I'm done, I'm done filming, you know. Yeah, and the last
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  and best Yeah, last and best offer. That was it. But the
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  MPTP showed themselves as the true housewife that they are and they always will come
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  back. Yeah, they always come back. So there you go, so
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  please to report that actors can go back to their livelihood and what seems like
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  a good agreement. I have not gone through it with a fine tooth comb.
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  I just got the headlines, but I'm thrilled about what it looks like
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  and so happy for our union to have stood strong. And though I wasn't
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  able to make it out on the picket lines any day because I work so
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  much on this podcast, I was there in spirit. I had my T
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  shirt, I was supporting, and I'm so proud of all my actor and
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  writer friends who just stood strong and like just made it happen. So good
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  job, everybody, good job, and we're back. Who we're back?
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  Now? Now we got to talk about what dropped today, Heather. Okay,
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  So Salt Lake City. Emily and I did our recap of Salt Lake
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  City that's over on Patreon. We posted it yesterday, and she and I
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  got into this whole thing about Monica and the Monica and Lisa argument, and
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  that was interesting in and of itself. But what has unraveled to yesterday was
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  this lawsuit that's happening because let's also say, okay, Darling, Emily wants
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  to compartmentalize this. Okay, she wants to know. I'm just guessing you
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  want fans to know, I should say, the fans of Salt Lake City
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  to know that you stood by Monica in that fight with Lisa, but not
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  necessarily in what's happening with this news story. Am I right? That's right?
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  And Amy went very hard for Lisa. Yes, Lisa was right,
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  and I said Monica was right and wrong. Right, And we did a
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  poll and we did a poll. And how that poll go for you?
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  There? Well, last I checked, everyone was team Monica, and I
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  was, I was a losing back for your bitch wife here, and I
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  just was it was worth opening seventy Patreon accounts at the tier three level.
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  A. You botied me, you bought it all. You bought it and
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  botched it, Emily, Okay, so you went on that account. Okay,
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  you win, you win, you know what, I'm sorry, you
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  win? Yes, I winning, because let me tell you, it's a
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  flawed being. I'm not denying that. So Selvim really enjoying her on the
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  show. Amazing, She's amazing, amazing. But let's cut to what we've
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  heard since yesterday, and that is that at Bravocon it turned out that Monica
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  was really on an island with the cast, like they were all together and
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  she was separate, right, And I didn't know that now cause I do
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  do that either. We didn't know that. We didn't know that. But
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  now there is a law suit between Heather Gay and Monica, but it's involving
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  Beauty Labin Laser. So I am going to read when I found on,
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  there were a lot of accounts, but you know what, the Underscore Bravo
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  Underscore chicks really did it right. They made it very succinct, and this
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  is what I'm going to go with. Okay. So they say it began
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  in late in August when Heather's company, Beauty Labin Laser, file a lawsuit
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  against Monica for breach of contract and breach of the covenant of good faith and
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  fair dealing, which is something that is only in Salt Lake City because it's
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  a faith based city. The Salt Lake City Medical Spa said in the Docks
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  that Monica signed a contract with them on December tenth, twenty nineteen. This
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  was a long time ago to pay two four hundred and forty nine dollars for
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  cosmetic injection services. According to the court docs exclusively obtained by the US Sun,
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  Monica only paid the initial payment of four hundred and forty nine dollars,
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  which included the forty nine dollars setup fee and four hundred dollars down payment.
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  You still with me, I'm still here, okay. She then was supposed
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  to make two hundred dollars monthly payments for the next ten months, but never
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  did. Heather's name, interestingly enough, was not mentioned in the complaint.
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  However, Beauty Lab argued that they suffered and continues to suffer significant losses and
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  damages as a result of Monica not paying the full amount owed for the services.
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  They requested the court to determine at trial how much not less than two
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  thousand Monica should hand over, plus reasonable attorney fees and other remedies provided by
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  statute or contract. So now, Monica has since filed a lawsuit saying that
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  she didn't pay because the injections were botched and that's why she never paid and
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  is suing them for botched treatment. Well, so that's interesting, because Heather
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  and Monica were clearly filming together with this. Yes, because this was in
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  twenty nineteen. Yeah, the whole thing is interesting because also with filler,
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  first of all, botox wears off, and then with filler you can just
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  do dissolve. It's not a thing. You can have them just do a
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  dissolve. And I read that Heather's company offered to do that, and most
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  places will do that for free, because if you don't like what they've done,
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  they'll dissolve the filler for you for free. Okay, And so she
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  did. They did offer that for her, but and Monica's come back to
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  that was that she had already had things corrected, maybe at a different place,
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  and she didn't want to trust them to do the work. Again,
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  I'm not totally sure, but like, I don't understand how this whole thing
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  spiraled out the way it did because she's count Monica is now counter coundursuing.
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  Yes, it seems like so much work and legal fee for nothing. M
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  h, I mean it's two thousand dollars. You know, there's obviously something
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  fishy here. There's another post by the reality TV guru and this is on
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  Twitter that says that's why Lisa said she changes her name. Okay, because
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  okay, hold on a second, Real Housewives Gifts. Okay, Real Housewives
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  Gifts had put on Twitter. Wait, people on Reddit are now saying that
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  Monica used different names to get multiple procedures and not have to pay for them.
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  And then Real Reality TV g guru said that's why Lisa said she changes
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  her name multiple times, and her mother said it as well, so oh
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  sure, sure, sure, okay. And then also we have to remember
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  that there were murmurings about Monica suing Angie for falling down her steps. Yes,
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  that's right. At the Easter party, Monica allegedly fell down Angie steps
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  with that arrail. Monica posted pictures after that episode aired to say, why
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  didn't they even include this in the I left to go to the hospital,
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  and I took and my kids did do the Easter egg hunt. Yeah,
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  but yeah, I think, Look, I think Monica's got issues. I'm
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  not going to deny it. I think that I would not want to be
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  as much as I love Monica, and at first I was like, that's
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  the one, that's the gal I could hang out with. I think that
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  Monica can't help but sabotage every situation because of her mother. Yeah, alleged
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  right, Yes, I agree. I mean, this is an interesting situation
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  because we have lawsuits that are happening between housewives, which typically is not allowed.
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  However, there may be a clause if it's a business. The other
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  thing is that's probably why there's not named on it too. Absolutely, And
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  this also took place in twenty nineteen, so this is before she was a
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  housewife, so I could see how this is happening legally, and with the
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  countersuit, this is separate. Now with the lawsuit about Angie's stares, that
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  to me seems like that won't stick. It might not even be happening because
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  Monica said, I should sue you for not having a banister and your house
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  not being regulation. Babe, I have a banished her. I just don't
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  think it looks cute, all right, babe, learn how to walk on
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  your heels. By the way, babe, what are you doing upstairs in
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  my house? The Greek Easter celebration is downstairs, all right. Monica's upstairs
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  looking for botox and needles and fillers and stuff, just looking to see what
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  she can find. Yeah, I think it's I also go back to like
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  the gen Shaw stuff, and even that, I mean, in that situation,
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  Monica did do the right thing, but a broken clock is right twice
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  a day, and that like it was still sabotaging gen. It was still
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  sabotaging someone that was close to her that she was working with. And yes,
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  yes, but it was the right move to make. I stand by
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  that. But I'm just saying, like Monica is going to ruin it for
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  you, yeah, and I think she can't help it. It's just like
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  until she breaks that cycle and gets real therapy. By the way, BISH
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  Therapist hasn't excellent episode. Thank you, I'm so glad you mentioned it's my
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  next Yes, go on. She goes into the Monica and her mother relationship
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  dynamic and kind of just talks about narcissistic parents and also goes in on how
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  Monica's mother didn't have a great uh upbringing and mother relationship either. It's horrible
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  and just how that plays out and how you can protect yourself and that and
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  things to look for. But also like you got to break that cycle.
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  So I mean, yeah, it's it's very good the therapist, So you
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  want to go to your BISH therapist And that is available anywhere you get podcasts,
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  and that's Melissa Reich's podcast. That is under my network, So please
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  listen. And she's got amazing episodes out there about all kinds of different Bravo
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  relationships and really goes deep one of the things that you know, I typically
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  don't. I obviously can't go to the lengths that therapists can go. I
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  don't have the tools for that. And obviously this is more of a comedic
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  angle my podcast. However, it never gets by me the weight when you
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  see such dysfunctional relationships and how intense it is, and also how triggering it
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  can be for so many people, whether it be substance abuse, dysfunctional relationships,
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  any kind of addiction. And my heart really goes out to a lot
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  of people who forge through these shows with these things happening. And so I
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  think it's such an interesting perspective to break down the psychological aspects of this and
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  how it can be triggering to you. Because these shows can be entertainment,
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  but I like the idea that can catapult us into a deeper conversation about ourselves
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  and how we can change and how what not to do and an our history
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  and you know things like that. So I I do love these shows for
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  that reason. I don't I'm worried about Monica coming back next season for sure
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  after all of this, and I don't want her to not come back next
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  season. So Monnica is gonna be fine, and she's going to come back
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  and she's going to be on this show for a long time. I'm worried
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  because of the lawsuits though, Emily, well, if she I think that
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  she I think that she sees the show as more valuable. I think she'll
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  clear up those. Yeah, she's not going to sit in these lawsuits.
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  She's gonna assist and dissest. You don't think she's gonna sit in the lawsuits.
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  Okay, well, but I mean even just threats here and there just
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  make me worried that she will. They'll find her to be too much of
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  a you know, I don't know wild card, that they won't trust it,
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  and that that's concerning to me. We'll see. Time will tell that
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  reunion. I am especially post Bravo Kan, I'm I'm the season and then
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  the reunion. I'm very excited. I know. I saw somebody on Instagram,
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  darn and I wish I could have Uh oh it was Christian Grace now
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  and he did a mock up of what the seating chart will be for Real
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  Housewives of Salt Lake City reunion. And he put Monica on one side all
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  by herself, and I gotta tell you she'll be able to handle it.
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  You know, she will all one hundred percent be able to handle it.
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  And really, if you get her mom out there, her mom will take
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  her side and they can both go at it with the other cat. I
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  don't think, Oh, absolutely not. Her mom would be on the other
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  side of the count. She was even more interesting apologizing for her. Yeah.
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  Absolutely, She's not going to sit on any couch. She's going to
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  sit on Andy's lap, Monica's mom, and she's going to find the most
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  powerful first. Sorry, I'm so sorry. Yes, she will want to
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  charm the most alpha person in the room so she can have that controversial This
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  is a little controversial for me to say this because obviously, you don't want
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  to be taken You don't want your company to be taken advantage of. You
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  don't want people to not pay what they're what they owe you. However,
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  it's two thousand dollars, Monica is now going to be a real housewife.
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  Just wave the fee, you know at Beauty labin Lay's er just wave it.
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  Well, that's what I don't understand. But I guess like for it
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  to come out now, you know, like that's very well timed since it's
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  been going on since twenty nineteen. Yeah, you'd think that would have been
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  for me pre right, like at least in the launch of the season,
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  the launch of this new housewife, you think. But like right now post
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  so Emily, Heather and Monica are the ones that have like the real bond,
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  like right, you know, this is what's so strange to me that
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  this was under the surface the whole time, right, It's it's interesting,
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  for sure. I'm totally was Monica going to beauty labin laser before Heather even
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  knew who she was? Well twenty nineteen, when did Jenshaw get arrested?
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  Twenty wait, twenty twenty one, Yeah, it was two years ago.
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  Yeah, so I mean, yeah, maybe even before, so she had
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  been going before they even knew who she was. Yeah, yeah, and
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  that's you know, she's trying to get seen. She's going over to beauty
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  lab and laser, you know what I mean. But look, she's got
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  to do what she's got to do. I'm not mad at it, Emily,
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  No, I don't. I'm not mad that she went to Beauty Labin
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  Laser. I mean, I don't know if I'd go. But I'm just
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  saying, of all the places in Salt Lake City, she's going to the
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  housewife owned one. I'm just saying it shows thirst. That's all I'm saying.
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  But how many Yeah, okay, but maybe they offer a good deal.
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  Maybe she got like a great deal and not good enough well good enough
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  time. I mean, who is paying a monthly amount for their fillers?
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  Like that's yeah, that's too much. That's crazy to me, Philler,
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  unless you put dissolve in it doesn't like it's my understanding that Philler just sits
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  there, so like that would make me a little nervous. Yeah, all
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  right, Well anyway, that's the the hot news that came out. The
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  other thing that I heard about from Bravo Khan is Andrea from Winterhouse Wait Summer
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  House either or is engaged to Lexi blah blah blah. Also, Shep and
• 21:41
  Brinn from New York hung out but nothing happened, and then Gigi Goldnessa from
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  Shaws of Sunset said that she and Shep like kind of got to know each
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  other and I'm not sure how far far that went because she sat on a
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  panel. She wouldn't say she like, wasn't gonna kiss and tell, but
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  something happened there or at least they've been in touch. And then also Frank
• 22:03
  Catana is engaged. That happened I think pre Bravo con But that really got
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  buried well, I mean, because who cares? I agree? I agree,
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  I agree? But but you speaking of Slade because you said ship,
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  So I did you see there was a quick thing during the Bravo Awards where
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  and Darling's correct me if I'm wrong, but it was Alexia. It was
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  like a bunch of us see wives on stage, including Jen new Gen,
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  and Alexia made a joke offhand, not scripted because Andy comes on and says
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  that was not scripted to say, I'm the only one on stage that hasn't
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  slept with Slade, including new Gen. Wow, Wow? Interesting was that?
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  Did anybody else see that? I did see a clip of that,
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  and I didn't clock who was on stage, but I think that she Alexei
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  from Miami is what you're saying, right? Oh no, no, no,
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  no, you mean Alexis I'm drunk. Okay, I think that Alexis
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  probably had that joke in her pocket and was ready to throw it out.
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  Who was on stage, like Erica Jane could have been up there and she
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  would have said it. So okay, I mean, yeah, I'm not
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  gonna throw Jen into that pile. She was she was up in Missouri or
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  wherever the hell she's from, right right, Slade works in mysterious ways,
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  like I know you're right, You're right, that's true. All right,
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  So why don't we move on to our recap of the Real Housewives of Beverly
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  Hills. Oh but duh, what a great episode. What a fun episode?
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  Like just I'm gonna say what a great uh trailer for the episode because
• 24:07
  the episode didn't I was like really ready for it. We got it to
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  be continued, and I was like, oh shit, the episode before and
• 24:15
  we got a flash forward and I was like, oh my god, it's
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  already going down. Yeah, and it was a dood episode. Fine,
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  it wasn't what we thought what we thought it was gonna be, but I
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  just I was just happy just to enjoy it, like I liked it for
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  what it was, you know, especially because we were all just in Vegas.
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  Yeah, and if you weren't just in Vegas. You were watching Vegas
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  a lot because of Bravo con and clips and everything, so it felt like
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  very well timed. The timing of it was impeccable, and I loved I
• 24:49
  just the cast is great. I'm really loving this Erica Jane this season.
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  I just think it's funny and she's just doing her own things. She's given
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  up for lent and she's sticking to it, and I, I don't know.
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  I just found it to be a nice episode, and there's so much
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  more under the surface that obviously things are gonna heat up. But I did
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  like it. So we pick up in Vegas for Crystal's fortieth birthday. They're
• 25:19
  having breakfast and they're talking about dating and Garcel's like, I want to go
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  out and meet men. I want to go out and meet men. Then
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  they have like a dating intervention at the table and then everyone kind of looks
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  over at Sutton because they're talking about how they don't get second dates. Also,
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  that was so abrupt when Garcel came in like ready to fuck. Oh,
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  I was, honey, what is happening right now? Gel? Also,
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  your son is in the in the city, so don't go over there,
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  but yeah, I know, I know't boy, but I was like
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  getting glam on glam on glam at Brady's Fuck and then at breakfast and then
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  she's like, all right, let's all go get ready, and I'm like,
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  how much more ready? I know? Right? Also she threw Erica
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  off. Erica's like, oh, I mean, okay, give me a
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  second. Let me give us some orange juice, you know, I mean,
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  even Erica wasn't even ready to about like Garzala was like, keep up,
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  keep up, ladies. I've all, I've already like switched gears.
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  I'm in full drive mode. Oh my god. Sutton and her awkwardness,
• 26:30
  she's like on in here back. You know, she's the Christopher Walken of
• 26:37
  like Beverly Hills, the way that your pauses are awkward pauses. You never
• 26:41
  know when the pause is gonna come. Yeah, I didn't hear back from
• 26:48
  a man after I sent him a bubble bath pick, I mean, and
• 26:52
  then they think, of course, Kyle steels her phone. We hear that
• 26:56
  she says, like, your triceps look good, and they're making fun of
• 27:00
  and it's all good fun. And of course Kyle's get a FaceTime and oh
• 27:03
  my gosh, it's just crazy antics and it's but she did FaceTime them and
• 27:07
  then hung up. But I was like no, no, no, no,
• 27:11
  no no. I know I felt so uncomfortable for some But I do
• 27:17
  love when Kyle like gets that like sister vibe, like little sister, big
• 27:22
  sister vibe going, it's so funny. I love that because you know,
• 27:26
  this is the type of thing where like Kyle always comes through with the gal
• 27:30
  you just want to hang out with, Like you just want to hang out
• 27:32
  with Kyle. Yeah, and look I'll hang out with I'll hang out with
• 27:34
  Morgan too, you know. Yeah, there's definitely more behind going on in
• 27:40
  her and Kyle's head this season in terms of like there, and it might
• 27:45
  just be that they edited this way, but you see a lot more of
• 27:48
  Kyle reflecting and quietly sitting there instead of engaging. But like when she engages
• 27:56
  like that, like just fun dumb pranks. I could I could do more
• 28:00
  that, me too, Always always more of that. Kyle's just a good
• 28:03
  time gal. You know. Now Sutton goes in to get ready and she
• 28:10
  verbally abuses Avi, which was very uncomfortable. But that was a bit I
• 28:15
  mean, that was like, yes, I didn't believe that was real for
• 28:21
  a second. I mean, I think Abby, I think she's bringing Avi
• 28:25
  in to have like this. Now. I don't love that kind of I
• 28:29
  don't like when you put someone down and make it super low status all the
• 28:34
  time when they are in a lower position. But I think that's the kind
• 28:38
  of bits that Sutton does. And I think Av's there for it because he
• 28:44
  gets more attention in terms of likes it Aaronda, No, I think he
• 28:48
  likes it one bit. And I thought it was real. I don't know
• 28:52
  if it wasn't real. It's based on real, you know what I mean,
• 28:56
  Like she seemed I understand you're saying about the bits though, like that's
• 29:02
  for sure something there that they are going to keep doing. And but she
• 29:07
  really didn't know that scar skirt was there and she was pissed. They were
• 29:11
  pants. How we the pants? They were the pants, That's right,
• 29:15
  the pants. Those were the pants. Of course they need to be a
• 29:21
  Bravo context. I agree. The pants need to totally and they need to
• 29:25
  be on a mannequin where they're split open, like as if she did make
• 29:30
  it up on stage, you know, yeah, yeah, a black chair
• 29:36
  split open. Oh my god, okay, well, oh man, all
• 29:45
  right. And I got nervous too when Garcel was steaming what I thought was
• 29:48
  a large, hot pink tunic with jewels and she was gonna. I was
• 29:53
  like, what are you wearing, Garcel? But then when I found out
• 29:57
  it was like this awesome. I'm just the dress. Then I was like,
• 30:02
  oh my god, I love it so much. I thought she was
• 30:03
  getting Yeah, I didn't know what. I was like, please don't wear
• 30:07
  that. Like I was like, this is going to make her look thirty
• 30:11
  years older than she is. But then when I realized that it wasn't a
• 30:17
  pantsuit, you know, off the rack, like a Caico's number. Yeah,
• 30:22
  you were worried about the length, I was worried. Yeah. I
• 30:25
  just looked like way too old for her. And then when I found out
• 30:29
  it was a dress, it was perfect. I loved that dress. Apparently
• 30:33
  it's a Valentino. Me too, Oh my god. Yeah, oh I
• 30:40
  just want to bask in it for a second. And the shoes, so
• 30:42
  apparently it was Valentino, because that's what I think, Kyle said, Valentino
• 30:48
  paning draft like long I am, and everyone's coming out one by one,
• 30:56
  just looking so great. Sudden but Sutton's like, I hate pants. I
• 31:07
  hate them. But then she was told to wear them. But like Kyle
• 31:12
  didn't wear pants, no one else was worth I mean Kyle did and wear
• 31:15
  pants, and Garcelden wear pants. Everyone else was wearing pants, right,
• 31:22
  I was more confused about the top with the pants on Sudden. Okay,
• 31:30
  again, it just made her I just didn't. The whole thing made her
• 31:33
  look much older than she was. It just gave up weird. That's who
• 31:40
  I am. That is who ah am. I'm on the board the American
• 31:49
  Ballet Foundation. That is the gear of Sudden. When she starts drinking like
• 31:57
  that, that she becomes Dorrit's accent personified. Yeah, I don't know what
• 32:06
  the hell's going on. I don't know where you're coming from or where you're
• 32:10
  going. Yeah, unpredictable. I mean Dorit said it. I mean it's
• 32:15
  Doctor Jekyll and Miss Streck. She's right, this was buzonkers and like to
• 32:23
  start the night with, like I got ones, I got a stack of
• 32:29
  ones, and I'm wearing pants. You think that she was read? I
• 32:32
  don't know, Like I thought she was going to hook up with anything and
• 32:37
  everything this side of it multiple times Oh my god. By the way,
• 32:42
  the throwaway line from Erica, this is why I like Erica right now.
• 32:45
  She's like, Nolan, will let me touch money because the text authorlready will
• 32:49
  say, I'll wait to them, so I'm not going to touch those ones.
• 32:51
  Like that was amazing. I need more of that. But Magic Mike,
• 32:59
  obviously we know that. We find out that Mikey Mindon's partner Davis is
• 33:02
  in Magic Mike, which I love. Mikey Mindon obsessed, always have been.
• 33:07
  That's Erica's creative director of Yeah, choreo does the Choreoh yeah, looks
• 33:14
  you name it. And so we get there and it just looked didn't you
• 33:17
  just want to be there in those awesome like those seats. I've yeah,
• 33:22
  and I've been to Magic Mike. Oh y yeah. I went a few
• 33:25
  years ago, and uh that what Erica was doing on stage. I was
• 33:31
  like, oh my god. I wasn't sudden about it, but I'm like,
• 33:37
  that made that happen when I went, I'm an Audi Yeman, Emily,
• 33:43
  I'm a shellman. So I think maybe they had rehearsed that a little.
• 33:49
  Is my hunch that was pre planned choreo And also like I'm real like
• 33:55
  it. It's just like stunned. I'm I mean, okay, this was
• 34:01
  it was amazing. Crystal Erica go up there, and Sutton's like, I
• 34:06
  wore my pants for fucking nothing. And then the women think, I love
• 34:15
  the fact that you know, she got so uncomfortable and so mad, and
• 34:19
  the women were like, oh, I feel bad for Ston. She really
• 34:22
  wanted to go up there. She wore pants. Oh no, Sutton's pants,
• 34:27
  Like it was all about feeling bad for her, which I thought was
• 34:30
  so funny because they because she was like that she would get that visibly upset
• 34:35
  that she wasn't picked, which would have been a more hilarious storyline actually,
• 34:40
  that she would have been mad that she wore pants and didn't get chosen.
• 34:44
  That would have been maybe the narrative I thought would have been better. But
• 34:47
  I did like how this went because it's just so sudden. I mean,
• 34:51
  to me, that is the narrative. I mean that you think that is
• 34:54
  what happened. Oh interesting, Yeah, I think Sudden started saying everything out
• 35:00
  loud, started sobering up and realizing, like she just it was I mean,
• 35:06
  it was so clear to me that she didn't get picked, and but
• 35:09
  she couldn't embrace that, and so instead of acknowledging that rejection, she went
• 35:15
  on some like conservative, like weird thing I didn't understand, Like maybe she
• 35:23
  was a little bit like shocked, as I like, like whoa Erica?
• 35:30
  But I think it was really about the rejection, but she could put her
• 35:34
  hat on the on the Erica stuff. Interesting. I mean, the contradiction
• 35:40
  all night long was like I got whiplash from some absolute whiplash. And I
• 35:50
  also didn't have a problem with it because it was so entertaining, Like I
• 35:53
  just you can't wrap your head around it now. First of all, with
• 35:58
  I understand perhaps she was just thinking like maybe a mail review from the nineteen
• 36:07
  fifties, I guess where you just hand out ones, perhaps in their hands,
• 36:13
  I don't know, like Chippendale's. And I think she was thinking,
• 36:15
  like I think she was, she would be in the show. I think
• 36:21
  she wanted the attention. I think she wanted to be able to be like
• 36:25
  I had this crazy night and yeah, and also like the fact that,
• 36:32
  like I think she had felt that she had an exclusive right to that because
• 36:37
  it was pre planned, but the pre plan didn't include her actually, but
• 36:42
  she probably would have gone up there because they did a second round. Kyle
• 36:46
  went up, Yes, but she had left, Yeah, but she would
• 36:50
  have made it in the show for sure, Yes, for sure. I
• 36:53
  mean it's just like Erica and Crystal went up because it was her birthday and
• 36:58
  Erica wanted to, you know, she had to give the show. And
• 37:01
  now like the head down in between their legs, the other dancer did that
• 37:07
  to Crystal, right, yeah, he yeah, that's the chair thing,
• 37:10
  but it was but the Erica thing where she's on the ground, that was
• 37:15
  that was different. That's I don't I don't remember. I think that there's
• 37:22
  had like to her thigh, like yes, you know, it was all
• 37:25
  you know, stunt work if you would, right, I mean right right,
• 37:31
  But that would happen at any like Chippendale's thing like that kind of dancing
• 37:37
  and stuff that's kind of typical of those shows, I think, I mean
• 37:40
  I think so, I don't, but what Erica was doing wasn't typical,
• 37:45
  and that was why I was like WHOA. But I clearly like I also
• 37:51
  wonder I had the thought, did Sutton think that she just was going to
• 37:57
  look like she was going to have to do what Erica? And then she
• 38:00
  was gonna look like an idiot because she's not Erica. Listen, she used
• 38:06
  to do ballet, and she could. Her splits would have been the show
• 38:09
  stopper of the night. I'm sure maybe, but I don't know. Does
• 38:13
  she still have that in her absolutely? Oh you've seen her do the splitz.
• 38:20
  Yeah. I was over at Sutton Concepts and Kyle and Sutton were having
• 38:23
  a splitz contest. Okay, so Kyle gets on stage and does the whip
• 38:31
  cream thing, and so then I love that. So obviously Sutton leaves and
• 38:38
  she's just irate. She's I'm on the board of the American Ballet Foundation.
• 38:42
  I don't do that shit. So then Garcel follows after her, which is
• 38:45
  a good friend. Then Kyle comes out and she's like, I just had
• 38:51
  whip cream lick off for me, And then Sutton's like, see that's fun,
• 38:54
  and I'm going I can't with you. I can't. And this is
• 38:58
  amazing. I love that she is com lately just judging one move to another
• 39:04
  and what's acceptable and what's not. Honey, it's either one way or the
• 39:07
  other. I mean, that really is what it is. And a short
• 39:10
  of stripping, like I would say, crossing the line into what would be
• 39:14
  unacceptable in terms of like you being on the board of the American Ballet Foundation,
• 39:17
  would be if those men were swinging their swinging their things around, you
• 39:22
  know, in front of your face, to do with that. It had
• 39:27
  nothing to do with that. I'd think she's jealous. Yes, I don't
• 39:31
  know, she was just jealous and then immediately going to like this gear of
• 39:37
  I'm I'm above this. It was a protective thing. I okay, I
• 39:42
  read it. Yeah, yeah, I'm above it. And I can't with
• 39:45
  this. There's two ways we have a cream leaked off of you. Is
• 39:49
  silly and stupid spreading your legs? No, no, that's where I crossed
• 39:52
  the wine. And then and then Kyle said, what you're saying? And
• 39:57
  then she's like, it has nothing to do with the pants. I'm like,
• 40:00
  how is it that in just a few years of Sutton being on the
• 40:05
  show, she has two lines that have the word pants in it, you
• 40:09
  know, the ugly leather pants line, what am I jealous of your ugly
• 40:14
  leather pants? And then now it's like, it has nothing to do with
• 40:16
  the pants. It's amazing to me that her narrative on this show, her
• 40:21
  legacy will have a lot to do with pants. Yeah, it is wild.
• 40:24
  She wears the pants on the show once. But there's two ways to
• 40:30
  I can see it. It's either total rejection sadness, and or realizing that
• 40:37
  she was going to have to step up to the plate and she would have
• 40:42
  to outdo Erica and couldn't And so either way she was sad. But I
• 40:50
  don't think that for a minute it was about the Ballet Foundation, you said,
• 40:54
  your brand. I do think it was funny that Kyle's like, you
• 41:01
  could have just walked away instead of making like a big scene, and she's
• 41:05
  like, I did, then don't follow me. I mean it was it's
• 41:07
  like, well, you cameras are following you. You did by default it's
• 41:12
  a scene. You know. Of course people were gonna be concerned because you
• 41:15
  left. And Kyle's point was like, well, I could have just walked
• 41:17
  right by you, and then I would have been in trouble, Like what
• 41:20
  am I supposed to do? Yeah, because Kyle came out way after that,
• 41:24
  because Kyle was on stage, she said like, I just randomly saw
• 41:28
  you all here when I went to the bathroom. Yeah, that was funny.
• 41:32
  And Sonon's like, I didn't like what happened, and Kyle's like,
• 41:35
  well, you're not gonna like what just happened to me out there, And
• 41:39
  then much to our you know, uh surprise, sudden, I had no
• 41:44
  problem with whipped cream being looked off of her. Well, Crystal leaves because
• 41:49
  she gets the text from Kyle's like, son's upset, we have to leave,
• 41:52
  which I thought, you don't need to leave. Let him finish the
• 41:55
  show. But then Crystal leaves, and I thought that was gonna be a
• 41:59
  big thing, like my fortieth birthday, you ruin this, we had to
• 42:01
  leave and all this stuff. But I did like that Erica and Dury just
• 42:06
  stayed and they were like, we're having the best time of our lives.
• 42:09
  And then it is rude. It was. It must have looked so insane
• 42:15
  for the people on stage because that when you can see people walking out,
• 42:20
  it is not a good feeling. And sometimes with the lights on you you
• 42:23
  just see bodies and you can't clock how many bodies, and then you just
• 42:28
  know the sections VIP and then it's like it gets in your head. It
• 42:32
  does. I hate it. I hate it absolutely, And people have sometimes
• 42:36
  good reason to leave. They feel sick, you know, I mean there's
• 42:39
  reasons why people do exit, but it doesn't mean it doesn't affect the performers.
• 42:45
  And this was art. Let's be real. It is it's it is
• 42:49
  high end like bodywork. It is. I mean, did you see how
• 42:53
  fast that pelvis was going? Yeah, I thought it was a hummingbird in
• 42:57
  his pants. I mean I couldn't believe it. Just I mean, you
• 43:01
  just can't count the number of pelvic thrusts that a magic mic dancer does,
• 43:06
  much like a hummingbird. It's like a hundred beats per second. So like
• 43:12
  being there at the show too. When I was there, I never for
• 43:15
  a second thought like this guy he is into me or anything. But the
• 43:23
  vibe of like the women like when you go to these things, so like
• 43:29
  they are coming home with me, Daddy is here for me? Like I'm
• 43:32
  like, he's not. He's he's working. He's work and like he's Mikey's
• 43:40
  partner, Like what are you doing? But he's not into you, right,
• 43:45
  He's just not at all into you. Would ever be in to you
• 43:52
  at work outside of work, it's not gonna work. Well, Sutton gets
• 44:00
  mad at Kyle because she's like here we go again, Kyle. Where she's
• 44:04
  walked into conversation where she didn't need to, and then Kyle in those doors,
• 44:08
  like in between the doors, she was like, now you're being a
• 44:12
  bitch, which was really funny because I like, I like when Kyle gets
• 44:15
  a little unhinged. So then Sutton backs down and immediately apologizes to Kyle in
• 44:20
  the sprinter van and we get into a sprinter van, which is great,
• 44:23
  and now it's gonna be you know, now it's time to pay the piper
• 44:28
  and Erica is coming in and before she gets into the sprinter van, she's
• 44:32
  kind of walking it out. She's just kind of working it out. She's
• 44:35
  walking, she's pacing, she's getting her steps in, she's cool doing a
• 44:37
  cool down. She's like she's sitting in there like Judge Judy, who doesn't
• 44:46
  love a judge of Judy reference. That was great. It was great.
• 44:51
  And also that is Sutton loved Erica's outfit. That was awesome. Yeah,
• 44:58
  yeah, yeah, yeah, it was great for that night. But I
• 45:00
  I still think I like Garcel's the best, although I was totally yeah walking
• 45:05
  in those heels, because I think the Garcel's shoes were uncomfortable. I mean
• 45:07
  they were Everybody had very high heels on, but Garcel was talking about how
• 45:13
  uncomfortable they were, so like she was just like, where is this?
• 45:16
  How far is this? Like you can just tell this is This is the
• 45:21
  thing about Las Vegas and shoes. You you leave your room, you go
• 45:27
  down to the lobby, and you get into your car, your feet are
• 45:30
  already done for the night because it's such a long way. And the second
• 45:36
  they left that room, I thought, I don't know how they're going to
• 45:38
  do it, but they're on a TV show, so they're just going to
• 45:40
  have to push through. But like in my head thinking about logistics, and
• 45:45
  when Garcel had that issue, I thought, you needed to have another pair
• 45:49
  of shoes in the sprinter van at the ready to walk back into the hotel
• 45:53
  and cause you don't want to like take your shoes off and walk barefoot.
• 45:57
  You just can't do that, I mean, because too many people in Vegas
• 46:00
  do it. And needless to say, I saw tons of people, you
• 46:05
  know, we saw him limping around. I was doing my Cabaremi. I
• 46:08
  looked down someone in the front row who's sitting at a table had her shoe
• 46:13
  off and she was working out her blister. This was during the film show
• 46:19
  and I, and so it is caught on film where I was like,
• 46:22
  are you all right? Do you have a blister? Darling? It was
• 46:25
  really funny, but it's so true, It's so real, and that's why
• 46:30
  you just I give it to these women for like turning it out. But
• 46:35
  Garcel's shoes for the wind looked the most painful for sure. Yeah. But
• 46:42
  yeah, So she gets in the sprinter van and they obviously talk all about
• 46:46
  what happened, and and something's just like it was a spread eagle in the
• 46:51
  face and the crotch thing that was just too much, can we I mean,
• 46:55
  it's the drinking word on Watch what Happens Live, gonna be crotch or
• 47:00
  pants? Yea, oh my god. Erica just lets it water off a
• 47:07
  duck's back, just you know, She's like, I'm not gonna let this
• 47:08
  bother me. He had a great time, and everyone's disappointed that Erica's not
• 47:12
  gonna, you know, go off right and I but I was also not
• 47:16
  surprised that she didn't go off about this because it wasn't there wasn't a not
• 47:24
  enough personal jab at Erica on it, like she said what she was going
• 47:30
  to say. And then Sutton wasn't really saying anything else. And I don't
• 47:36
  know, I wasn't surprised. I was surprised that more, I guess I
• 47:40
  was surprised that others thought she would go off when I didn't expect her to.
• 47:45
  Yeah. Yeah, they thought that Erica was just gonna, you know,
• 47:49
  just rip into her, and she didn't. And Crystal wasn't trying to
• 47:52
  be shady, but she was like, how do you feel about the fact
• 47:55
  that we don't feel upset? You know, like, and Erica's are laughing
• 48:00
  because I mean, it's such a good point. Like they all made the
• 48:02
  point, like we're all consenting adults, you know, this is what it
• 48:07
  is. It was a performance that was all rehearsed. Herself in a real
• 48:14
  tizzy. Garcela and her confessional saying something about like did she even have sex?
• 48:20
  Like did she have a stork? Very funny, very funny. And
• 48:27
  then the rest of the episode, Sutton's just like every chance she gets talking
• 48:31
  about like sex, sex, sex toy more than she ever has book on
• 48:37
  tantric sex. At the end of the night, well let's why did they
• 48:42
  have to drag out that dumb deca card questions? Oh, here we go
• 48:46
  I hate that. We hate these We hate these stop it, Bravo,
• 48:51
  stop it, Bravo evolution. We hate these stupid games. To me,
• 48:55
  what it is is, there's not They are nervous about content. They think
• 49:00
  they don't have enough content. Once you put the whole episode together and you
• 49:07
  see that you have it. We don't need to see deck of Cards come
• 49:12
  out and questions the sex questions. Oh no, we sure don't. We
• 49:16
  sure didn't move anything further. It just feels hack. I don't care.
• 49:22
  Yeah, And to have a series that has been going on this long,
• 49:27
  yeah, you have to fall back on that. It's just not necessary.
• 49:30
  I vaguely forgave it for New York recently because is there a new cast?
• 49:36
  Yeah, because maybe that we needed to get them to like loosen. I
• 49:38
  don't know what they're doing. Yeah, yes, I do. Sexless.
• 49:50
  I did think it was very funny watching Ston eat that fishball and that Eric
• 49:54
  is like, h no second date, No wonder she had some good one.
• 50:00
  This episode was very funny about that Sutton does apologize to Erica and Garcel
• 50:06
  talks about Oliver because she's going to go see him the next day, but
• 50:10
  she doesn't feel comfortable talking about her boys after what happened last year obviously,
• 50:16
  which we get to the next morning. And how about the shade that Crystal
• 50:22
  threw to Durrite in her confessional about how they were talking about her. She
• 50:28
  was talking about her perfect nipple, and then Crystal says, Durrett, how
• 50:30
  would you know what a perfect nipple looks like? You'ven't seen a real body
• 50:35
  part in ten years? Yeah? Wow, yeah wow. Well, I
• 50:42
  mean it was a weird reaction, but I also that's the point of the
• 50:45
  dumb deca card games, is that, like you're giving a weird reaction and
• 50:53
  it's good to start controversy. So I guess it worked. I can't believe
• 50:58
  you said that, Crystal. I mean, I have lots of real botty
• 51:01
  parts. My pinky toe is as real as it gets. Do anything to
• 51:07
  it? Oh boy? Yeah, I just couldn't believe Sutton talking about all
• 51:15
  our sex toys. And then Sutton's book on tantric sex. I just where
• 51:20
  are we going, babe? Pick aside? Pick aside? You know,
• 51:22
  yeah, it's just you know, now she's got to double down, and
• 51:27
  just I hope she leaves it in Vegas. I hope she does too.
• 51:30
  Well, the morning happens and Kyle is up at six am and she's at
• 51:35
  the gym. Now she's not drinking, which is a huge part of this.
• 51:37
  I mean, I find it very inspirational. I wish I had the
• 51:42
  drive to do that right now. I don't, but I like seeing her
• 51:45
  live her best life like this. I mean, I thought it was weird
• 51:49
  that like it seemed. Erica and Dorrit had a lot to say about it,
• 51:52
  where Erica said she's living in extremes right now and Dorry it's like,
• 51:57
  it's not sustainable. I'm like, let her have a phase of her life
• 52:00
  where she's getting in great shape. How is so? What if it's not
• 52:04
  sustainable? Also, all the things that everybody does, what do you what
• 52:10
  are you talking about? Going to have allegedly a lot of work done is
• 52:15
  not sustainable. Hormone your menopause, hormones is not Like I don't know.
• 52:25
  It was definitely a weird one. And then to have those two of all
• 52:30
  people talking about it sidebarring about Kyle, was yeah, a little weird.
• 52:37
  Their back a million times. It's gonna be interesting. A lot of shady
• 52:43
  comments in this episode and the confessionals, and part of me thinks like they
• 52:47
  had to pop these in, you know, after they were done piecing everything
• 52:52
  together, because it was such a you know, it was a slow move.
• 52:55
  What wasn't slow moving moving? It just not a lot happened in this
• 52:59
  episode. So I think they had to pop up their confessional comments. I'm
• 53:02
  now realizing too that I thought about. I don't think that that day they
• 53:08
  were miked. They are not miked in that room, and they weren't miked
• 53:13
  in the large room, and I wonder if we lost some content because of
• 53:15
  that, and that's why we had to put in the decord cards. Still
• 53:19
  don't think we needed it. But did you notice that in the large room
• 53:23
  and when they were eating this, when they're eating sushi? No, no,
• 53:27
  no, I'm talking in the morning next morning. Yeah, no,
• 53:30
  I did notice. I loved that. I dove I did too. Felt
• 53:32
  so much more real. It felt like, grab the cameras, let's cover
• 53:37
  this. Yeah yeah, because they're all Maybe so they weren't yeah yeah,
• 53:44
  so maybe they just boom micd it or something and maybe some things were lost.
• 53:51
  I don't know, but you would think that they would have refilmed it,
• 53:53
  but I don't know. Well, this is when Garcel really says,
• 53:58
  look, I felt like I was not, you know, real with you
• 54:02
  guys last night, because the bottom line is I don't trust you guys when
• 54:06
  it comes to my family. Because of the laughing about Jacks and Deiy,
• 54:09
  it really becomes about Durate and Garcel because Durit's like that was a year ago.
• 54:15
  You have to get over it and you have to move forward. And
• 54:19
  Garcel just picks takes her pillow and is like, why can't you understand how
• 54:22
  I feel? And she runs into her room. Well that it was a
• 54:28
  little bit more back and forth. Sure, Sure, and Duri made it
• 54:31
  about her. She did, and I hate that Garcel really did call her
• 54:38
  out on that. She's like, so now you're I have to apologize to
• 54:42
  you for making you feel bad because of how I feel. You know,
• 54:46
  that is a very very good point. I'm glad that Garcel was on it
• 54:52
  to be able to identify what was happening, because I do feel like Durit
• 54:55
  has done that in the past. That's Durret's move, so I and the
• 55:02
  fact that like Dury can't even be aware of that, she has to make
• 55:07
  it about her. It's so especially when it's about girl Cell's kids, and
• 55:15
  like it was so clear Dury stepped in it. It's like Derry just owned
• 55:21
  this. Yeah, we've got too many receipts on this, and you have
• 55:27
  to own something, own this. And really, if it's just a rehashing
• 55:31
  of what you already apologize for, just give it the moment in the space
• 55:36
  to rehash it and apologize again. That's it. Yeah, it's not that
• 55:38
  deep because, like I mean, it is deep because it's deep for Garcela
• 55:42
  and it hurt her. It's her kids, for God's sakes. Yeah,
• 55:45
  it should not be this complicated for Derry to understand. I don't know why.
• 55:49
  I don't know. I mean, it's it's like moving forward past a
• 55:52
  storyline that we already had last season. I think that's what she must be
• 55:55
  thinking, Like we already covered that last season, but there's always going to
• 56:00
  be you know, crossover trickled down into the next season. And it's okay
• 56:05
  to reapologize for something to comfort your friend when it comes to their family.
• 56:10
  And the reason why it comes up is because Oliver works there and she's going
• 56:14
  to see him and he's we find out his divorce is almost finished, you
• 56:19
  know, And I mean something could come up from that. She probably feels
• 56:22
  protective and maybe anticipating that there's going to be some chatter about Oliver and his
• 56:28
  marriage and did he cheat and all this stuff because we know what happened with
• 56:31
  I guess what your apology wasn't sustainable. So yeah, that's keep doing it.
• 56:40
  So we will move on to more Vegas next week, so that'll be
• 56:45
  fun and anything else you want to say about this f MS. No,
• 56:51
  I'm very excited for the season to continue. And I gotta say right now,
• 56:57
  I haven't started Miami yet, but I will probably today, But right
• 57:02
  now, my heart's in Utah. I thought I thought it would be in
• 57:07
  Beverly Hills, but I'm like more curious about Utah right now. Yes,
• 57:14
  we will be covering Miami. I just haven't put it on the schedule yet.
• 57:16
  But don't worry, we're going to get there too. There's a lot
• 57:19
  to cover, so many things. Yeah, Potomac married to med I mean,
• 57:23
  yeah, Winterhouse like it's a fundane of gifts. Yes, absolutely,
• 57:30
  And then check out my Patreon so you can subscribe and get all the podcasts
• 57:32
  recaps there that you don't get on the public feed. And right now,
• 57:37
  we're going to get into the Timmy Horder interview and Emily, well, see
• 57:42
  you. I'll see you on Monday. Yes, okay, darlings, see
• 57:46
  you later, Drama Darling. Hello everybody, and welcome to After the Drama.
• 57:58
  Today, I have an InCred guest with me, Tommy Herder. He
• 58:01
  is an interior designer and also a Bravo fan. Welcome Tommy, thank you,
• 58:08
  thank you so much for having me. I'm so happy to be here.
• 58:12
  I'm so excited. I've stalked you on TikTok, I've stalked you on
• 58:15
  Instagram, and you were kind enough to come on the show so we can
• 58:20
  talk about all things design, specifically in the world of the Housewives. Now,
• 58:27
  I know that's not all you do. You don't just sit around your
• 58:29
  apartment and do reviews of the Housewives apartments. You. I mean some days,
• 58:35
  somedays that's what it feels like to cut you off. And somedays like
• 58:39
  those days are Fridays. Yeah, Mondays and Fridays a great way to start
• 58:45
  the week and a great way to end the week. But we're also talking
• 58:47
  to somebody who knows what they're talking about. So most of us trolls that
• 58:53
  are you know, watching these shows and are on social media. We can
• 58:57
  give our two cents on everyone's homes and the decor and things like that,
• 59:00
  just on a personal level and our taste and what we like and what we
• 59:04
  don't like. But what I find fascinating about your account is that you're coming
• 59:07
  from a real foundational standpoint of design, what makes sense legitimately, what doesn't
• 59:13
  make sense, what works? And also you're coming you've got that angle of
• 59:19
  being a Bravo fan, so you know who you're dealing with, so you
• 59:22
  also take that into consideration, which I love so and you don't just sit
• 59:28
  here and rip to shreds everyone's place. You give props where props are due
• 59:32
  based on design, and you also you know, have some questions for other
• 59:37
  design questions as well. So just to start it off, you can follow
• 59:42
  Tommy Herder on TikTok He's at Tommy Herder and that's t O M M Y
• 59:47
  h u E R t e R. And then on Instagram you can follow
• 59:52
  them at Tommy Underscore Herder h U E R T e R. So you're
• 59:58
  going to get a lot of great content and I love that you also take
• 1:00:01
  requests because like you know I'm scrolling through your TikTok. You have like color
• 1:00:06
  theory and tierior design tips you've got? I remember you know you work with
• 1:00:09
  space a lot. How do you how do you make a small space look
• 1:00:14
  bigger? How do you utilize all kinds of aspects of a tiny space and
• 1:00:19
  make it feel good? So you really you run the gamut. So Tommy,
• 1:00:23
  first off, how long have you been doing what you do? Where
• 1:00:27
  do you live? And are you for hire for everyone's design needs? I
• 1:00:32
  am so. I live in New York City and I have been at this.
• 1:00:36
  So I got my master's in interior design from Parsons in I finished that
• 1:00:42
  in twenty twenty one. Oh my god. It was Tim gunn Ever an
• 1:00:45
  instructor. No, but I will tell you it did feel there were so
• 1:00:52
  many design school especially because I was at Parsons. It felt like a competition
• 1:00:57
  show. And I was like, it was like every couple of weeks,
• 1:01:00
  it's like, all right, designers. I never went to mood Fabric,
• 1:01:07
  but it did. It did feel yeah, very much like that. Well,
• 1:01:10
  I mean, why wouldn't Why would he be teaching design classes interior design?
• 1:01:15
  That wouldn't make sense. So I just got I just fangirled out,
• 1:01:17
  so I wasn't thinking straight, okay, carry I like I could hear his
• 1:01:23
  voice in my head the whole time. But he did that. Yeah,
• 1:01:29
  So I did that and then I finished. So I started that in twenty
• 1:01:30
  nineteen, finished my master's in twenty twenty one, and then went right into
• 1:01:35
  practicing. There I worked at I've worked at a couple different firms. I've
• 1:01:38
  always done residential interior design, so now I work for a firm in the
• 1:01:43
  city, but then also do my own work on the side. I am
• 1:01:46
  taking on clients. You can book a virtual consultation at the link in my
• 1:01:51
  bio everywhere, and if you're in the New York City yeah, and if
• 1:01:53
  you're in the New York City area and are looking for an interior designer,
• 1:01:58
  here, I am, oh so good. I just I love your taste.
• 1:02:01
  I love your taste. And then you were also you just got hired
• 1:02:06
  to do something last night where it crossed over into the New York City housewives.
• 1:02:10
  How did that? What was that all about? It did? So?
• 1:02:15
  Amazon was having their annual holiday soiree. That was the name of the
• 1:02:17
  event. So they do this every year and they have an Amazon Home section,
• 1:02:22
  so they had me come in and curate the space and decorate it with
• 1:02:27
  all things from Amazon Home, and there's going to be I posted some stories
• 1:02:30
  about it, and the tiktoks will be live tonight, so everybody we'll be
• 1:02:35
  able to see that. But they have a bunch of different people come to
• 1:02:37
  this and a bunch of different influencers and celebrities curate different spaces throughout the event,
• 1:02:44
  and it was a huge event. And one space down for me was
• 1:02:47
  Jessel from the Real Housewives of New York's her curated product space. And I
• 1:02:52
  was a little nervous because I did review her apartment in Chelsea and was not
• 1:03:00
  the kindest I was. I like to think I'm never mean, but I
• 1:03:04
  was not. I was not necessarily singing its praise, So I was a
• 1:03:07
  little nervous. We like, we were there before the event started, so
• 1:03:10
  I kind of started chatting her up and I just went in from the beginning.
• 1:03:14
  I was like, you know, I have this TikTok like like full
• 1:03:17
  transparency literally, So I went in with it and she was after I like
• 1:03:24
  said that, she was like, oh I did see that TikTok, Like
• 1:03:27
  I did see it. She didn't. She wasn't upset or face by it
• 1:03:30
  at all. She was super sweet, took some pictures together, spent a
• 1:03:34
  lot of the night hangout, and she was she was lovely, and she's
• 1:03:37
  beautiful and personally she's stunning. But also that apartment that she lives in,
• 1:03:43
  is that really hers or was it fully furnished when she came to town to
• 1:03:47
  rent it. I have a feeling like it was probably furnished. I didn't
• 1:03:53
  get into that with her because I didn't want to like bring up any I
• 1:03:59
  think I think I heard she maybe moved or is moving or something, so
• 1:04:04
  so who knows, but it does look furnish. And Aaron was also at
• 1:04:09
  the event. She wasn't she was just guessed at the event she wasn't wasn't
• 1:04:13
  hired to be there. But and also you know, on that same note,
• 1:04:15
  well to put the Jessel thing to bed, we you know, it's
• 1:04:20
  an all white place and none of it. I was like, I hate
• 1:04:26
  this, I hate this so much, but also made more sense later when
• 1:04:30
  she just you know, moved back to really be on this show, so
• 1:04:34
  I would imagine that wasn't really her home with her sense of design, So
• 1:04:40
  really it's not. It's not like it's not a representation of who she is
• 1:04:45
  and her design aesthetic. I would think, so that story will be determined
• 1:04:50
  later. And then secondly, I don't ever remember seeing Aaron's place in New
• 1:04:57
  York. Did we ever see it on the show? We did? They
• 1:05:00
  did something she never had like an event there, and there was never any
• 1:05:04
  kind of like a big walkthrough or anything like that, So we didn't really
• 1:05:08
  see it. But I know she has moved to a new apartment. So
• 1:05:12
  if there's another season of this version of Bronie, I'm guessing we'll see more
• 1:05:15
  of it. Then. Okay, well that's so great. I mean,
• 1:05:18
  were you got an Amazon gig? I mean, how awesome is that?
• 1:05:24
  It was fun to sorry because I started I started doing the like TikTok thing
• 1:05:30
  February of this year, and I put, I mean, oh wow,
• 1:05:33
  really you just started February of this year. Okay you were I am like
• 1:05:41
  blown away. You have one hundred thousand, over one hundred thousand followers in
• 1:05:44
  TikTok and you just started that. I had so so when I started doing
• 1:05:48
  the interior design Tiktoks, I had about thirty thousand TikTok followers that were literally
• 1:05:55
  just because over the years I had made random videos about nothing, and every
• 1:06:00
  once in a while there'd be one that would like be somewhat funny and go
• 1:06:03
  viral. So I had like this little base, but then I really started
• 1:06:06
  it earlier this year and then it really took off. It all started with
• 1:06:10
  Melissa Gorga and went from there. Oh my god. Okay, So the
• 1:06:15
  way I want to just jump into this is and if you're on Patreon,
• 1:06:19
  you'll be able to you know, if you're a Tier two you'll be able
• 1:06:23
  to see the bonus video, and I'm going to be putting up pictures of
• 1:06:28
  you know what we're discussing. And these are just screen shops shots from Tommy's
• 1:06:31
  TikTok. So I want to since you discussed Melissa, I really want to
• 1:06:35
  go there first. So you had originally done a review on Melissa's house,
• 1:06:42
  the new one that they built their dream house, and then as we know
• 1:06:47
  she they revamped the entire front of the house and then they put in landscaping.
• 1:06:55
  So I have pulled up here it's Melissa's revamped front entry, and I
• 1:07:00
  want to have you kind of give me broad strokes on what it was what
• 1:07:04
  it what you think of what they did with it? After people kind of
• 1:07:09
  really rip down the shreds about the house. Yeah, yeah, so and
• 1:07:14
  I do have I have a little bit of a a little bit of a
• 1:07:15
  scoop there too. But she so I made the review of Melissa's original house
• 1:07:23
  before she had done any changes to it, and the exterior of the house
• 1:07:28
  just looked insane. And I did a three part review, all of them,
• 1:07:30
  I think got over a million views. Like the Internet was a blaze
• 1:07:34
  about the front of this house because it just it looked What everyone was commenting
• 1:07:41
  was like it looked like it had been designed by Sims. Like if you're
• 1:07:45
  on Patreon and see this photo here, it looked crazy, and if you
• 1:07:49
  google it you can see it to It had all these roof angles that didn't
• 1:07:54
  they weren't communicating with each other anyway. There was no symmetry the windows.
• 1:07:59
  A lot of the windows weren't aligned. Like nothing about the house was really
• 1:08:03
  making much sense. So I did this review and it was kind of like,
• 1:08:08
  because we know the Jersey Mansions of Lore, we know the Teresa House,
• 1:08:14
  we know Melissa's old house. The first episode of Housewives I ever watched.
• 1:08:17
  I was in middle school and it was the first episode of the first
• 1:08:21
  season that Melissa was on a jersey, and I remember seeing those houses and
• 1:08:25
  from that age being like, oh my god, this is the most insane
• 1:08:29
  thing I've ever seen at these homes, right, and this is like the
• 1:08:33
  millennial ramped up farmuse modern farmhouse version of that. Yes. So I did
• 1:08:41
  the review on this house, and what I found is that everyone felt the
• 1:08:44
  same way. But because I have a design background, I was able to
• 1:08:47
  communicate it in a way that people understood because a lot of like the comments
• 1:08:51
  and reactions to it were were I was thinking the exact same thing. I
• 1:08:56
  just didn't know how to verbalize it, Like, I didn't know how to
• 1:08:59
  say it. So it's kind of just saying what other people were thinking.
• 1:09:02
  But after I had posted the first few, this was probably in I posted
• 1:09:11
  the first one in February of this year, and probably in March, I
• 1:09:15
  got a DM from Melissa and it was just simple. It was a hey,
• 1:09:19
  smiley face and I was like, I was with my friend. I
• 1:09:23
  was frozen. I was terrified. I was like, oh, sure,
• 1:09:26
  sure, of course, I see you, I feel you. I respond,
• 1:09:31
  and she was actually so sweet. She was like, I saw your
• 1:09:35
  videos, like she took it with like she took it well. She wanted
• 1:09:41
  to chat about some tips on design for her house. Wow. So we
• 1:09:46
  hopped on the phone. She it turns out she had initially seen I talked
• 1:09:53
  to her for like thirty minutes on the phone. She had initially seen the
• 1:09:55
  videos because Antonia, her daughter, had sawn it, saw them first and
• 1:10:00
  apparently was very upset and hurt by what I said, which I felt badly
• 1:10:03
  about. But Melissa was like said she wanted to be angry, but that
• 1:10:11
  she agreed with some of my tips, so she wanted to talk through some
• 1:10:14
  things. And a lot of the internet had been saying that I because of
• 1:10:17
  what I said, she redid the front of her house. However, to
• 1:10:21
  clarify, the day that I talked to her on the phone, she already
• 1:10:25
  had renderings from the architect of the front of her house. She already hated
• 1:10:29
  it. So I do just have to shout her out there. It wasn't
• 1:10:32
  just because of me, But maybe I was a bit of a push yes,
• 1:10:36
  and I love that she was like, Okay, I'm hearing this,
• 1:10:42
  I'm seeing this, and I need a little bit of help. I mean,
• 1:10:45
  because the other thing is I can't imagine, even in the world of
• 1:10:49
  you know, sometimes bad design and things like that, that Melissa would have
• 1:10:55
  liked what she got. I would imagine that when she did see this,
• 1:10:59
  she was probably thinking what happened? Right, And a lot of people One
• 1:11:03
  of the things that she said that a lot of people were like, there's
• 1:11:06
  no way that's true, is that they quickly drew up these plans and she
• 1:11:12
  didn't like them, but they submitted them to the town that they live in
• 1:11:15
  for approval, got approval, and the process to get reapproval of a different
• 1:11:21
  design would be so long that they just wanted to start building the house and
• 1:11:25
  get it finished. And a lot of people were like, no way.
• 1:11:28
  But having worked in these suburbs of New York towns, they can be so
• 1:11:34
  strict with plans and stuff like that. So I actually do believe her when
• 1:11:39
  she says it could have been another nine months to a year absolutely to get
• 1:11:43
  plans plans approved. Sure, sure, sure, Okay. So they just
• 1:11:46
  went and they were like, better to ask for forgiveness than permission. They're
• 1:11:51
  like, build it, build it, come better or worse, And it
• 1:11:56
  was worse, and then they had to fix it, so they did not
• 1:12:00
  get the same person who built it or the same designer who built it to
• 1:12:04
  fix it. Yes, I think she hired a different architect to redo the
• 1:12:10
  front facade of the house. Okay, so now we have the well,
• 1:12:15
  I mean it just it's such an incredible difference now that we see the change,
• 1:12:21
  it's such a huge difference. It just like like there are still little
• 1:12:26
  things I could pick apart, but like, sure it adds dimension. It
• 1:12:29
  makes sense. And one thing I think about in the original design, those
• 1:12:32
  rooflines were just decorative, like there's nothing up there. They were just like
• 1:12:36
  stuck on there to be decorative. Whereas this roof, those windows they added,
• 1:12:42
  they're actually part of the house. They're actually like real in a way,
• 1:12:45
  which makes it so much better too. And just landscaping is always going
• 1:12:48
  to make your house better. Oh god. And I mean it just looks
• 1:12:51
  like it's so so much better. Proud of this, and really this would
• 1:12:58
  be tough to continue to see every you know, episode of Jersey when they
• 1:13:01
  show that exterior. So good for them, Good for them. You also
• 1:13:06
  made mention that they did a lot to the backyard and what's this all about
• 1:13:13
  Yeah. So they did this whole like resort style pool in their backyard,
• 1:13:18
  which I have kind of complicated relationship with because I like, I like it
• 1:13:23
  on its face, but it also feels like a bit much. But then
• 1:13:26
  again, it is Jersey, right. It would be strange if it wasn't
• 1:13:30
  a bit it'd be strange if they didn't have flaming pits of fire surrounding their
• 1:13:35
  I see a lot of flames. You're right. See, this is why
• 1:13:40
  I love your takes because it's like, you know, everything is a designer
• 1:13:43
  in you is like, you know, that's really not my style. But
• 1:13:46
  the client who happens to be a Jersey housewife, if there aren't flames,
• 1:13:53
  then we're doing something wrong, you know what I mean? Like, Yeah,
• 1:13:56
  that's that's what I love about your takes because it's like this does make
• 1:14:00
  sense for them. And I see the flames in these photos, so many
• 1:14:03
  flames, so many, so many flames, so many flames, and I
• 1:14:08
  mean, I'm sure, but I have no doubt that she loves it and
• 1:14:11
  is so happy. And that's what I tried to say in some of my
• 1:14:14
  videos too, is like I think she's really happy with this house. That's
• 1:14:16
  all the matter is because I will say, and I'm sure you know this
• 1:14:18
  too, Amy, they're certain housewives. When you talk about them on social
• 1:14:23
  media, the comments are so vitriolic and terrible. And I think when I
• 1:14:30
  posted these it was kind of when Jersey was airing, so the whole Teresa
• 1:14:33
  versus Melissa thing was going on, and the comments about her as a person.
• 1:14:38
  Yeah, under all these videos were so nasty. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:14:42
  I've had to be like, I'd be like, I almost didn't want to
• 1:14:45
  make another because you guys were all so many. Well, that's on them.
• 1:14:49
  You know, you're doing your job, and that's it's your job to
• 1:14:55
  be judgmental, to break down the design aspect of what you see. That's
• 1:15:00
  your job. So you know, when it takes a turn into other things
• 1:15:04
  like, that's out of your control. And you know people are just using
• 1:15:08
  your page to you know, just let the demons out. Now, another
• 1:15:15
  house that I loved, and I this one you got me. I was
• 1:15:19
  laughing really hard and many times and I just dying. But this is Kim
• 1:15:26
  Zolciak Beerman's house review and this one, this one got me pretty good,
• 1:15:31
  and like, because there's no way around like making light of it, you
• 1:15:36
  know, me like, but I did appreciate certain things. So obviously you
• 1:15:43
  discuss the exterior of this house, which we know, by the way,
• 1:15:46
  we don't know what's gonna happen with this house, with their divorce, their
• 1:15:48
  ongoing things like that. But and I think it was smart of you to
• 1:15:53
  do this now before this is where they're moved out. You know, right
• 1:15:56
  now Kim is living the basement apparently of this. Yes, I mean this.
• 1:16:01
  I was afraid that demons were going to get me when I made this
• 1:16:03
  review. I was a little I was a little scared to make this one
• 1:16:06
  because she does like to come at come at the girls on social media.
• 1:16:10
  But this, this this house was an interesting one. It's a lot of
• 1:16:15
  shades of brown. Yeah, shades of brown, A lot of shades of
• 1:16:18
  brown. So we it's the exterior is very you know, rocky and rough
• 1:16:23
  and tough. And but then we go into what this is Kim's office it
• 1:16:30
  appears to be, and it's we got bookshelves, no books, but we
• 1:16:34
  got the bookshelves. Those are accessorized with geodes and such. But it just
• 1:16:42
  doesn't make any sense. The art on the wall is just kind of thrown
• 1:16:46
  like on there that's not spaced appropriately apart from each other. It's it's very
• 1:16:51
  it's very interesting, yes, that, and then there's another there's another shot
• 1:16:58
  where you can see it from a different perspective because there's so much going on
• 1:17:03
  in here, because there's like wood paneling. But then there's this. The
• 1:17:09
  furniture is wild. The furniture is wild. There's literally I called it a
• 1:17:15
  coronation chair in the video because that's what it's like, a red velvet gilded
• 1:17:19
  chair that looks like it could be used for a coronation. But then there's
• 1:17:24
  like this kind of modern fuzzy chair, and then this really ornate desk.
• 1:17:28
  It's like it just doesn't make any sense. Yeah, it really doesn't.
• 1:17:32
  It doesn't, And yet for Kim, somehow, I guess it does.
• 1:17:38
  You know. I do remember her in this room doing work for her beauty
• 1:17:44
  line and things like that. I remember that this room, what is this,
• 1:17:49
  Tommy, This would be the powder room, And it is like,
• 1:17:54
  I this gives me a migraine just to look at It's like this demand Ask
• 1:18:00
  style wallpaper. But the contrast is so intense, the black and white contrast
• 1:18:04
  with this really intense black but ornate mirror, and then like this kind of
• 1:18:12
  modern vanity, which is confusing that that is in with the rest of the
• 1:18:15
  bathroom. And also the black toilet. A black toilet is never a good
• 1:18:20
  idea, and like every couple of decades, black toilet's come back in black
• 1:18:26
  toilets are disgusting. If you can't see the dirty about your toilet, like
• 1:18:33
  you need your toilet to be white, you just do. Oh my god,
• 1:18:36
  it's it. It looks like Darth Vader. You know, you don't.
• 1:18:40
  That's just not where you want to be. And then you've got this
• 1:18:43
  inlet I don't know what you call what do you call a ceiling that has
• 1:18:45
  a little it's got the little crown molding with a little alcove above cover,
• 1:18:55
  and it looks like it might be navy blue, yes, which would be
• 1:18:58
  interesting because the rest it's black and white. That's what I'm confused about right
• 1:19:02
  there, yase, like the and the sink is black and everything and damaskugh
• 1:19:10
  yeah, I mean, and also this is so niche. But if you
• 1:19:13
  look at the ceiling, like you can tell by the slant on the ceiling
• 1:19:16
  that this is underneath the staircase, which also just like makes it more funny.
• 1:19:21
  Oh my god. Yeah, I've never like and the damask is very
• 1:19:29
  like horsehack test you know. No, I'm sorry horseeshack, rorshack. It's
• 1:19:33
  called rorshack, right, Horseshack is from Welcome Back cart Potter. Yeah,
• 1:19:40
  I'm just getting my eighties my seventies references and proper references confused. Okay,
• 1:19:45
  so that's the bathroom. Now you let up a little on when we got
• 1:19:50
  to the kitchen and I know why. Yeah, so I don't so I
• 1:19:56
  don't like the cabinetry, I don't like the materials used. But it's this
• 1:20:00
  curved kitchen, which actually kind of makes a lot of functional sense to have
• 1:20:04
  the curve around the big island because it makes it easy to be working along
• 1:20:10
  the range and then turn back to the island and have that be kind of
• 1:20:13
  your central space. So as far as a functional kitchen, I'm not mad
• 1:20:18
  at this. Yeah, Tracy, get in here, like, I mean,
• 1:20:21
  this is why because we remembered from Tarti for the party from Atlanta,
• 1:20:26
  and this is when we really were in the heyday of Kim and Croy and
• 1:20:30
  the kids. It was like they're totally in love. They have all the
• 1:20:32
  kids, they got chef Tracy. They're all in this kitchen. It's chaotic,
• 1:20:38
  but you know it's warm in there. There was something about it.
• 1:20:42
  So again I completely agree with you. I can't rip anything down because I
• 1:20:46
  just feel at home here, much like I feel at home in Teresa's kitchen
• 1:20:51
  and right that. You know, design wise, I wouldn't nest I wouldn't
• 1:20:56
  be decorating like that, but I love being there. So this kitchen,
• 1:21:00
  I think I give it. I give it a pass. Uh, that's
• 1:21:03
  just my opinion. And and then we go into this other room, which
• 1:21:06
  I don't know if we've ever even seen on the show. I know that
• 1:21:11
  was one of the craziest things looking through the real estate photos on this house
• 1:21:15
  is there's about a million different like living slash sitting rooms, so I didn't
• 1:21:19
  even know what to call them at some point because I don't think we've seen
• 1:21:21
  this either. Right, and it has the largest light fixture I've ever seen,
• 1:21:28
  Like it is preposterously large. This is very okay. I remember seeing
• 1:21:31
  this light fixture similar to this one in Heather Dubro's new home, the one
• 1:21:36
  that she just sold. But I'm curious, what do you make of these
• 1:21:41
  ring chandeliers because I fucking hate them. Yeah, I'm not crazy about them,
• 1:21:47
  especially when they're like this glit sea and glamy and then you kind of
• 1:21:51
  have like these dinky little wires holding them up. I'm I'm not crazy about
• 1:21:57
  them, Okay, Yeah, I mean I think some of the really thin,
• 1:22:00
  like sleek modern ones aren't bad in the right spot. But like a
• 1:22:04
  big bedazzled one, I'm gonna say we can we can leave that, okay.
• 1:22:10
  Yeah, And there's like a chaise here, there's there again. What
• 1:22:15
  you continue to say is the like the theme and the design aesthetic is all
• 1:22:21
  over the place because you have like a modern chaise sort of, but then
• 1:22:25
  you've got an ornate banquette or whatever that what are those bulls? And why
• 1:22:31
  is the furniture is just kind of randomly placed? And I will say maybe
• 1:22:36
  it was it was probably moved around for real estate photos, but like it
• 1:22:41
  just doesn't make any sense, doesn't make any sense at all. The two
• 1:22:46
  what do you call those kinds of chairs? Wing back chairs? Yeah,
• 1:22:51
  wing back chairs facing outward? And now what do you think about the window
• 1:22:58
  treatments here? Because because that would be tricky to those windows it is I
• 1:23:03
  was going to say, my props to this room in this house is the
• 1:23:08
  molding to floor window treatments in some of the spaces, because that's a very
• 1:23:13
  expensive thing to do, that's a very thorough thing to do that a lot
• 1:23:16
  of people won't, especially if they're trying to save a little bit of money.
• 1:23:19
  So this was They definitely spent some money on these window treatments. It's
• 1:23:25
  a little formal and a little heavy, but I think the other option would
• 1:23:29
  be to do like either something like a shear or just not have a window
• 1:23:33
  treatment at all, because the windows themselves are so ornate and big, right
• 1:23:39
  right, right right, it just goes to show it's like, you know,
• 1:23:44
  when they couldn't, when they didn't have to do something, it's like,
• 1:23:45
  let's do it, you know, let's do it. And then we
• 1:23:48
  got these all right, Tommy, take me, take me to what I'm
• 1:23:53
  looking at right now. This is the most insane window treatment I've ever seen
• 1:24:00
  in my entire life. There's this this three windows, one treatment for three
• 1:24:06
  windows, and there's this huge valance that goes across all three windows, and
• 1:24:15
  then the drapes they come down the side. Usually you just have them on
• 1:24:18
  the side but they whipped them back up and they stuffed them into the top
• 1:24:24
  of the valance and it looks like a mustache. And I literally because I
• 1:24:30
  wanted to be like, oh, that's that one weird style that people sometimes
• 1:24:34
  do, but I don't particularly like I've never in my life seeing anyone to
• 1:24:41
  do this. This is not a thing. And there's like a medallion in
• 1:24:44
  the middle of the valance too, like I know, it's oval Peace.
• 1:24:47
  And by the way, we're looking at these windows are at the top of
• 1:24:51
  the stairs, so we're looking at what do you call this area at the
• 1:24:55
  top of the stairs, like the landing. Okay, I like that,
• 1:25:00
  the landing. Yeah, I'm looking for like a really fancy you're like landing.
• 1:25:05
  So this is the landing. And so we're looking at windows on the
• 1:25:10
  landing. And then if you don't, if you're not thrown off by the
• 1:25:14
  valance and the curtains and the medallion, then you look down and what's positioned
• 1:25:19
  in front of the windows is what Tommy. We have an old timey baby
• 1:25:26
  carriage, which some people are commenting I believe is called a prom a pram
• 1:25:30
  oh a prom like a British yeah, And it is spooky. It is
• 1:25:36
  really spook as hell. I mean his house will be haunted by the ghosts
• 1:25:42
  of Kim and Croy for years to come. Whether they're actual ghosts or not,
• 1:25:46
  is just the vibe will be there. And then we have a chandelier
• 1:25:49
  coming from the ceiling, which, you know, it could be worse.
• 1:25:57
  It could be worse. It's kind of par for the course. It's by
• 1:25:59
  far are the not the most defensive thing. No, and the wallpaper is
• 1:26:03
  just very neutral, yeah, very neutral. Still kind of like that formal
• 1:26:09
  damask style, but a neutral da mask damn with damask. Oh that's old
• 1:26:15
  Bachelor picture again. So we've done Kim's house, We've done Melissa's revamp.
• 1:26:25
  I would love to move on to a couple of apartments that I think we
• 1:26:30
  really like and that you really like, and that is let's start with Brinn
• 1:26:33
  from New York. I really enjoyed you doing Brin's and Jenna Lyons apartments because
• 1:26:39
  I mean New York. I mean, these ladies they do it right,
• 1:26:42
  you know. So uh, now, however you want to do this,
• 1:26:46
  I'm just going to kind of scroll through some of the pictures. But what
• 1:26:50
  broad strokes, What did you think about Brin's apartment. In general, I
• 1:26:56
  thought Brin's apartment was very chic, very well done. That she just did
• 1:27:00
  a collaboration with CD two, which tracks She's definitely an interior design of Minded
• 1:27:04
  Girl, and I said this in the video. But her building would not
• 1:27:10
  allow would not allow a permit for Bravo to film in Brin's apartment. So
• 1:27:15
  that's why all throughout the season we never saw inside of Brinn's apartment and fainting
• 1:27:21
  fascinating, but if you want to see pictures, there was a Domino magazine
• 1:27:26
  feature on the apartment, which is where I got all the images from.
• 1:27:30
  But it's a really, really cute I think West Village apartment. She just
• 1:27:33
  did it well. It's a good mix of old pieces and new pieces.
• 1:27:40
  It's very It's also a rental so the things she did to it are semi
• 1:27:45
  renter friendly, and a lot of people not in New York City were like,
• 1:27:49
  she's renting. How she could she be renting? Like she's supposed to
• 1:27:53
  be a housewife. Even some of the richest people in New York City rent.
• 1:27:56
  It's just kind of how it goes this. But she did a good
• 1:28:01
  job with this place. I like her style, and I love the colors.
• 1:28:06
  Like she has this like olive green, velvety couch well I mean,
• 1:28:15
  which I think is habitable. Yeah, she's got that sectional. They're The
• 1:28:19
  one thing I wasn't crazy about was the cowhide rug. It's just very that
• 1:28:25
  was like ten years ago, super trend. Everyone wanted a cowhide rug.
• 1:28:30
  I think we could probably pass on that. But if that's the only major
• 1:28:32
  offense in this apartment, I'm good with it. And I also like she
• 1:28:36
  has a small space. And she used two dining chairs, dining sized chairs
• 1:28:43
  as her accent chairs in her living room, so she still gets that effect
• 1:28:47
  and that look of having like a full living room, but with just the
• 1:28:51
  smaller chairs because realistically, people are only going to sit in those when they're
• 1:28:55
  coming over when you're entertaining, So they don't have to be like a lounge
• 1:28:59
  share that you're gonna curl up in right right. It can have some structure
• 1:29:03
  to it, it doesn't have to be the most comfortable. I'm not a
• 1:29:08
  fan of this table. This you know, what do you call it?
• 1:29:13
  This little it's a bit heavy, this tabeah, I'm not a fan of
• 1:29:15
  the table. I do love the window treatments. I love the curtains.
• 1:29:21
  I like the trim she did on the curtains, and I think that table
• 1:29:26
  might be a CB two table. That's the other thing about this apartment too,
• 1:29:29
  is she has nice furniture, but it's not it's for the most part,
• 1:29:32
  nothing is like crazy, like can't afford it inaccessible. Yeah, yes,
• 1:29:39
  it's very relatable, like this little table. And I love that you
• 1:29:42
  pointed this out because I never would have thought about this in terms of design.
• 1:29:45
  But talk about what she did here in this corner. Yeah, so
• 1:29:49
  she had this little corner between her fireplace and her kitchen, and she found
• 1:29:55
  a perfect little bench that just happened to be the perfect size and stuck it
• 1:30:00
  in there and essentially created using some pillows, created her own banquette, which
• 1:30:04
  a lot of people would pay thousands and thousands of dollars to have custom mill
• 1:30:09
  work built in work done. And I think it's just so it's so chic.
• 1:30:13
  It's such a great idea too. You know, I never would have
• 1:30:16
  thought of that, like have put your own bension and you can have some
• 1:30:20
  sort of little cozy corner. I just think it's so brilliant. Do you
• 1:30:25
  do you think that she is the one who got all of these pieces for
• 1:30:30
  her house and designed it herself or did she have help? So it didn't
• 1:30:34
  mention an interior designer in the article, so I think I guess it was
• 1:30:40
  probably a combination. I guess she probably got help and advice from people on
• 1:30:44
  certain things. But I do think I do think she has she has pretty
• 1:30:47
  good style and did a lot of it herself. Oh Okay, and she
• 1:30:54
  claims she put these she claims she put these peel and sick floors in herself
• 1:30:58
  too. Wow. And it's very much a Kyle Richard's black and white tile
• 1:31:03
  looking for right, that very popular thing that Kyle has in her house.
• 1:31:08
  I love the color in this kitchen on the walls. What would you call
• 1:31:12
  that? Yeah, it's like a beautiful kind of mauvesh color, kind of
• 1:31:16
  like a darker blush. And this is one of the like semi renter friendly
• 1:31:20
  things she did. She painted the cabinets and the walls in the kitchen,
• 1:31:25
  which when you move out, like you're going to have to pay to have
• 1:31:28
  that painted back and restored to what it was. And I think she also
• 1:31:30
  switched the hardware out on the drawerfronts and the cabinets, So it's like a
• 1:31:34
  semi renter friendly thing to do. But if you are going to be in
• 1:31:38
  a place for multiple years, even if you're renting it, I think it
• 1:31:41
  was probably a good move. Yeah. And I love the copper pots.
• 1:31:45
  I love her use of artwork in her home. I love it. All
• 1:31:48
  the pieces of art that she has I think are really beautiful. And I
• 1:31:51
  love her bedroom. Tell me, talk to me about her bedroom. Her
• 1:31:56
  bedroom is so cute and cozy. She's got this deep, deep navy on
• 1:32:00
  the walls. But she has these huge windows with so I have a lot
• 1:32:03
  of apartment envy from her. She has these huge windows, this pre war
• 1:32:08
  apartment with all of this light just pouring in. So she was able to
• 1:32:11
  do this really dark, moody color on the walls and still have it not
• 1:32:15
  feel like dark and cramped. And this room is cramps like it's she's got
• 1:32:19
  the clothing rack, she's got everything smushed together, but it still looks it
• 1:32:24
  still looks very nice and cozy. I mean it's got to be tough,
• 1:32:27
  you know, in New York City, to like I don't. I mean,
• 1:32:30
  I've lived I lived there. I can't imagine living there as an adult
• 1:32:32
  now and having a family. I don't know how people do it. I
• 1:32:36
  mean, you don't want to do it unless you've got a ton of money,
• 1:32:39
  but like it's so difficult. You need to be so creative. Yeah,
• 1:32:44
  Jenna Lyons apartment. Now, of the two, Jenna's and Brin's,
• 1:32:47
  who would you say you favor more? I would definitely say Jenna's. I
• 1:32:54
  love Brinds, but Jenna's is just a whole different level. Part of it
• 1:32:58
  is a whole different income bracket. Like this is ye, this apartment is
• 1:33:03
  expensive. She owns it and it's been featured even before she was on the
• 1:33:10
  show, it had been featured in a million magazines. But I feel like
• 1:33:14
  her and Brinn interior design wise, have like somewhat similar style. Jenna's is
• 1:33:18
  definitely a bit more out there. They're like a bit more bold choices,
• 1:33:24
  but I feel like they're kind of talking on the same wavelength. This couch
• 1:33:29
  that Jenna has is so beautiful. This color, I don't know, is
• 1:33:33
  this like a terra cotta? What do you call this color? She said
• 1:33:38
  it's pink, so cause it's kind of hard to tell in pictures Salmon on
• 1:33:43
  film. Yeah, it's like a pink salmon velvet. Okay, and it
• 1:33:46
  just works. I love it. I feel like, is that what is
• 1:33:50
  the trendy color right now? Like, what are some trendy design colors that
• 1:33:56
  you're seeing in your work these days? You know, they change a lot.
• 1:34:02
  I feel like there's there's we're still kind of in that, like terra
• 1:34:08
  cotta, warm, rusty colors. I feel like, especially for fall,
• 1:34:12
  we're seeing a lot of that right now, especially as like an accent,
• 1:34:15
  because I think design trends in general went so minimal and just like monochromatic for
• 1:34:21
  a while, and now we're starting to see some of those warmer, darker
• 1:34:27
  colors come back. I appreciate that, Like I think you mean like the
• 1:34:31
  neutrals and just a lot of creams and that that was a real trend for
• 1:34:35
  a while. Yeah, and it was, and that was if you looked
• 1:34:40
  in any just like basic furniture catalog, like that's what you were you were
• 1:34:44
  going to see. But now some of those warmer, richer tones are coming
• 1:34:48
  back, and there's some jewel tones coming in, Okay, seeing a lot
• 1:34:51
  of it's like an accent color. So yeah, some of those are coming
• 1:34:55
  up. Great. I'm glad about that because I like a warmer aesthetic only
• 1:35:00
  speaking. And here's the pink couch that she has. I just absolutely love
• 1:35:05
  it. What is that in the very back uh that archway there? I
• 1:35:12
  don't know what that is behind the plants. So it's a giant disco like
• 1:35:16
  disco ball covered. Oh, it's just an Oh, I don't know what
• 1:35:20
  it's from where it is? Well, I got it. It's an So
• 1:35:25
  it's it's just art. We know it's not the oh from Bravo because she
• 1:35:29
  wasn't at bravocn No, she was. She's not a Bravo so you can
• 1:35:33
  only get so much out of me. That's funny. Okay, Actually,
• 1:35:40
  you know what now that I think about it. She was there last year
• 1:35:44
  when they announced like the yeah, but it was New York, so she
• 1:35:49
  did. She was like, I'm not going to Vegas. That's right,
• 1:35:53
  right right? I love her so much. Okay, this talk to me
• 1:36:00
  about this kitchen. This kitchen, she has this incredible light fixture in her
• 1:36:06
  kitchen, which is from a hotel in Italy, like a hotel lobby.
• 1:36:11
  That's how big this thing is. Wow. And she purchased it afterwards and
• 1:36:16
  had it installed in her kitchen. It's beautiful. She has this incredible brass
• 1:36:21
  anti brass backsplash. She has this island that's like three fourths marble, one
• 1:36:28
  fourth Butcher's block. It's such a beautiful kitchen. Oh my god. So
• 1:36:33
  this light she got this light fixture she got from a hotel. Yes,
• 1:36:39
  it was in a hotel, and I think like somewhere in Italy, like
• 1:36:42
  Venice or something O that is I mean to like walk into a hotel and
• 1:36:45
  be like I want that. I know, and I can't remember what she's
• 1:36:50
  It has some crazy number of light bulbs in it. I can't remember how
• 1:36:54
  many. I can say it in the video, but like a lot of
• 1:36:57
  light bulbs. Oh it's so cool. I mean, is it going to
• 1:37:00
  like does it give Heather Dubro a run for her money, because she was
• 1:37:05
  like, my chandelier has the most crystals that's ever been created. You know
• 1:37:10
  that one chandelier when you walk into the foyer anyway, Well, I think
• 1:37:14
  that's like that's the difference is like Jenna Lyons has like really chic taste and
• 1:37:18
  it's like this is an incredible vintage piece. Heather Debro is like, I
• 1:37:23
  want the sparkliest, most expensive thing I can find right right, right,
• 1:37:27
  yeah, which is a bit of a difference. Yeah, now what do
• 1:37:30
  you think? Okay, this this area over here where we've seen many times
• 1:37:33
  with the books and this beautiful circular wooden table in the chairs. I like
• 1:37:41
  this area. It does confuse me a little. It's interesting to me that
• 1:37:45
  she doesn't have like a larger table here almost that you could use as like
• 1:37:48
  a proper like breakfast table or somewhere to eat. I do like the look
• 1:37:53
  of this space a little bit. It confuses me as far as like I
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  think it's gorgeous. It confuses me as what you would use it for because
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  it's also like it's got all the books around it. But I feel like
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  people don't usually actually read sitting at a table. You'd like go to a
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  couch er chair or something. Right, But it is very it is very
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  beautiful. I love it. My gosh. Let's see. Oh her bedroom,
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  Oh my gosh. Yes, I am obsessed with her bedroom. She
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  has this wood paneling. She has two mismatched sconces, but they work together.
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  She has the glass stores to the bathroom, which I would actually hate
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  in practice but love aesthetically. It's gorgeous. Well, I learned. I
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  mean I learned a lot from your videos, and I feel like I am
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  a designer now I know what a landing is. But no, I actually
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  was so with you when you were like, I personally don't want to have
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  my bathroom open like that, like I like clothes. But then you said,
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  but there's no windows in her bedroom, so you need to have the
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  light from the bathroom coming in and then it spills into the bedroom. Like,
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  oh my god, that makes so much sense. So I love it.
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  The chandeliers, and how did you feel about that? I really like
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  the chandelier, especially because the chandelier is a very old school, where everything
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  else in here is kind of mod so it's like a nice it's a nice
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  way to mix in different styles. She knows how to mix in different styles
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  so well, and like, just like the way she dresses. It always
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  feels kind of casual, even if it's stressed up, except for when she
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  wore jeans the reunion, but that's another thing. But her bathroom is incredible.
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  I mean, this marble is beautiful. It's incredible, and she just
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  has so much of it, Like I can't even guess how much she's spent
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  on this marble, Well, what do you mean? Like so, because
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  I have no idea in terms of price point when you're looking at something like
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  this, so in your head, what are we? Can you give some
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  sort of estimate on what a marble countertop would be for a bathroom like this,
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  like this thick marble. It's hard to even say because I don't know
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  exactly what type of marble it is, and that can vary a lot.
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  But well, you'll notice about all of this, from the shower to the
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  countertop to everything is it's all. It's not pieces or tiles of marble.
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  These are marble slabs. I'm guessing she probably had to buy two or maybe
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  three marble slabs for this, And if it's a nice marble that can be
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  she could have spent well over one hundred thousand dollars on marble in this bathroom.
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  Wow. Well that's the type of number I want to hear. That's
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  the type of thing I'm talking about. Well, I am just so delighted
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  that you could join because and I hope that you'll come back and we can
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  talk about more housewives homes and also just like some main design tips and things
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  like that, and people please follow Timmy and you can find him on TikTok
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  on Instagram. He's available for virtual consultations and design consultations and things like that.
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  And you're just killing it. I'm so happy for you and I'm psyched
• 1:41:12
  to be connected. Oh, thank you so much. I would love to
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  come back whenever you will have me so happy to be here. This has
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  been awesome and I'm all for this podcast. It is everything. Thank you
• 1:41:25
  so much, Tommy. All right, everybody, well, thanks for listening
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  to After the Drama and thanks Tommy, see you guys later. Drama Darling