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Football at Four: Taking a Deeper Look at Eagles' Dickerson Situation and Others · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  in the Gallery at Ocean Casino Resort. Nick Earnshaw alongside
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  He's on a boat cruise. He just sends us during
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  the break that he's on a boat cruise, so hopefully
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  he's having a good time on vacation. But now we
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  are gonna go to Jeff P. Mosher. You know, we
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  got to enter him into the principal's office, remember that one,
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  So we got to enter him back in. It's Football
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  at four brought to you by Ocean Casino Resort. Jeff
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  good to talk to you today. The big news. The
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  big news today is that Landon Dickerson's injury gets hurt
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  during the open practice and it comes out today. Adam
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  Schefter reports it is a meniscus injury. So with that
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  being said, We don't know how much time it is
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  going to take for him to come back. However, we'll
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  see if he can get it going and get back
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  on the field as soon as he can. Jeff, what
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  do you make of the Landon Dickerson injury?
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  Speaker 2: Not good?
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  Speaker 3: Not good, especially when you hear a knee and meniscus.
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  And I know all the Sixers fans have probably heard
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  enough about that to want to hear that about Landon Dickerson.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the meniscus is tricky, fellas.
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  Speaker 3: I remember Todd Harriman's once had a trim done and
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  he missed a game.
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  Speaker 2: Then the Eagles had the bye week.
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  Speaker 3: And then I think they played on like a Monday
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  night the week after that or Sunday night, and he
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  played in that game. So between like incision the game,
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  you know, it was like three week recovery there for
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  Todd with the bye week mixed in, and he was fine.
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  And you know that's why Landon's probably getting this second
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  opinion to figure out can this be done with a trim?
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  Is it more than that as a partial tear? Is
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  it a full tear? You know, I'm no doctor and
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  I'm no expert, but I think you guys know, when
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  someone seeks a second opinion, it's usually because they're not
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  really happy about the first opinion. So it looks like,
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  you know, if this could be the case where Landon
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  Dickerson could be out for weeks and maybe months, depending
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  on what kind of feedback he gets.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the reporting was kind of bland. All it
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  was from Adam Schefter today was it's a moniscous injury
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  to the right knee, So not a ton of information there. However,
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  we know he will probably miss some time. And Jeff,
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  what does that look like for the Eagles on the line?
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  What kind of shuffling can they do? Who do you
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  believe steps into Dickerson's role here? Moving forward? Do they
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  end day, do they go into free agency? Do they
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  use guys they already have on the roster? I mean,
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  they look good to the first preseason game. There was
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  a lot to like from some of those guys. Just
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  talk to me about what you believe the Eagles could
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  do here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, I don't think they're going to
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  go dip into the free agency just yet until they
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  really understand the length and severity.
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  Speaker 2: Of the injury.
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  Speaker 3: So to sort of answer backwards, first, let's say they
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  find out he's out for the year, it's a really
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  long time. Yeah, you could see them maybe signing a
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  guy like Brandon Sherr for Shaq Mason out there. I mean,
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  because those are some guys who played some really good
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  football in their careers. But you know, the Eagles do
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  what they've always done, which is stockpile offensive lineman for
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  scenario like these.
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  Speaker 2: Tyler Steen has played really right guard.
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  Speaker 3: It's not even been a compli an excellent block really
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  with a linebacker flowing downhill on that thirty eight yard
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  run by Will Shipley. But he's also played left guard,
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  so theoretically you can move him to left guard and
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  you could.
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  Speaker 2: Play Matt Pryor at right guard.
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  Speaker 3: Matt Pryor has played right tackle, he's played right guard,
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  and that's year for the Bears. And I actually think
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  he's played better this time around with the Eagles than
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  he did when he was first with the Eagles. Interestingly enough,
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  I thought, I think he's at a decent camp. So
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  could he hold down right guard while Tyler Steen moves
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  to left guard.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's possibility.
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  Speaker 3: Or you just keep Tyler Steen at right guard and
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  then maybe try to play prior at left guard. They
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  drafted Trevor Keagan last year. He is really a natural
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  left guard. But I just you know, they're having worked
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  on the third team. He's been trying to play center
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  as they look for another guy who snapped the ball.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's gone all that well for him.
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  Speaker 3: Drew Kendall was a kid that they drafted who's most
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  He's the center.
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  Speaker 2: He was a center of Boston College. Right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, obviously everybody's focusing in on the trade that
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  brought Kenyan Green in. But you know, my eyes are
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  telling me right now that Kenyan Green is.
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  Speaker 2: Not the answer.
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  Speaker 3: And unless he has some kind of Patrick Robinson twenty
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  seventeen turnaround in camp, I don't think that he is
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  even going to make the fifty three man roster. But
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  there are several weeks left for them to figure this out.
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  Those are all basically the options that are there, and
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  I you know.
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  Speaker 2: There's two ways to look at these things.
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  Speaker 3: You could say in twenty seventeen, they won the Super
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  Bowl with Steph Wiznowski stepping in the left guard and
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  Vy Tie stepping in a left tackle. I mean they
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  were down two guys stepped in and they won the
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  Super Bowl with a backup quarterback. You know, I'm old
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  enough to remember days like twenty ten where they lost
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  Jamal Jackson at the center, they lost Max jean Zilli's
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  and who's already a backup he lost and they were
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  down really badly there and got killed by the Cowboys.
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  I think it was at the end of the year
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  and in the playoffs. So they have a good infrastructure.
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  But to me, Nick and guys, it's likely lacing one
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  guard right and then to lose maybe another guard. That
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  just shows you can't you go into the season with
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  almost no margin of injury or for the rest of
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  your offensive line.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and being at the game on Thursday night, Jeff
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  my site was seeing Kenyon Green just on the sidelines,
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  hand on his hips, holding his helmet for half the game.
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  Speaker 1: So not a lot of faith there in Green.
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  Speaker 4: But going back to Thursday's game, two guys, I wanted
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  to talk to you about the receiver side, Johnny Wilson
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  and Darius Cooper.
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  Speaker 1: Cooper on the bubble of.
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  Speaker 4: Making this fifty three man roster, and really you can
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  mention jahat dots and he had a pretty good first
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  couple series with McKee in there, but Cooper and Wilson
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  talk to me about those two guys.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so two totally different guys. I mean, Johnny Wilson
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  is six foot six. And what I really like is
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  two things. First of all, response to adversity. I don't
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  think he had a great first three or four practices
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  in camp, specifically with using his body, especially in the
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  red zone right and in the end zone as a
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  shield or to go over taller defenders and bring the
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  ball in. But ever since then, I thought he's had
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  a nice, nice response, practiced well, started catching the ball better,
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  and you saw in the preseason game certainly a lot
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  of really not only nice cat just the usage. That's
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  number two thing that stands out to me. They're playing
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  a lot in the slot. They're playing them in reduced splits,
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  which means you're not lined out all the way by
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  the numbers. That allows you to sometimes have two way goes.
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  It allows you to do a lot of crossing routes,
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  rub routes, you know, creating space in traffic, and I
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  think Kevin Botula has done a nice job with that
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  so far. And you saw a big connection between McKee
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  and Johnny Wilson. Was sort of that slot fade where
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  he did capitalize on his height over the smaller defenders.
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  I think it's really tough when you have a six
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  to six receiver to figure out where this guy fits best.
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  You want to put him out the X because he's
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  like a big, tall, physical receiver. Okay, but those guys
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  don't tend to be very fluid, and they tend to
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  have stiffer hips and it's hard for them to reverse direction.
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  DK Metcalf is sort of like a dinosa or unicorn,
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  but even he struggles sometimes to throttle down. So a
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  six to six guy is going to have real issues there.
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  And at the same time, it's tough to put him
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  in the slot because they don't have that fluidity that
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  you see those smaller slot receivers tend to have.
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  Speaker 2: But they're figuring it out.
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  Speaker 3: They're finding ways to get him open and we'll see
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  if that can continue throughout the preseason in the regular season. Now,
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  the other kid's a totally different story, rookie free agent
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  out of you know what. You guys all know Taulton
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  State Greek college game. We watch him every Saturday. He
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  probably plays what in front of fifteen hundred people in college.
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  I don't I don't want to speak out of place,
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  but I think it's really amazing for him to come
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  into this environment. And what I like about him compared
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  to other guys in the past that I would call
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  those training camp darlings who do it in camp but
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  then you disappear, is that he's not doing any one
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  thing amazingly like plucking the ball out of mid air
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  or doing anything flucish, sort of like Hank Basket.
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  Speaker 2: Circle two thousand and six.
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  Speaker 3: He's getting a lot of targets, he's getting open, he's
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  catching the ball, he's doing with the second team, and
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  recently he's gotten some first team run and special teams,
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  which shows you that the coaches believe in him, or
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  they at least want to see what he can do
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  when he really plays with, you know, the top guys
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  on so our top guys starter.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm interested to see how his preseason progresses.
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  Speaker 4: Can the Eagles keep both those guys and how much
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  does Jalen Hurts kind of have influence on a spot
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  like that, you know, when it gets down to it, keeping.
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  Speaker 2: Cooper or Wilson none, no offensive Jill Hurts.
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  Speaker 3: I know fans like to think that, you know, like
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  fans like to think that of how he signs a
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  defensive player that Vic Fangio must have signed off Onitor
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  said it was a good signing until he came out
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  and said, sometimes how he signs guys that I don't
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  even watch DAPO like Adri Jackson. Right, it'll be Howie
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  Roseman's decision. Can they keep six receivers?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure you.
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  Speaker 3: Can keep eleven receivers, but then you have to go,
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  you know, only keep one tight end or through running back.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's all the numbers game.
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  Speaker 3: I think the difficulty to your point, Pete, is that
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  the top three guys are locked in with aj Brown,
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  DeVante Smith and Johan Dotson. And you've got to like
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  what you've seen so far from Johnny Wilson and and
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  I am Smith with the punt hur five right there.
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  So what value are you getting from Darius Cooper as
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  your sixth receiver? You gotta be a special teamer mostly,
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  you know you. Honestly, I feel bad for these guys
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  because usually their production on offense and or defense doesn't
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  really matter. It's can they play in master on special teams.
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  Patrick Johnson two years ago had a great camp he
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  led the team in sacks and hurries tackles for a loss.
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  He made the team, but he never played because he
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  made the team because he's a very good special teamer.
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  Speaker 2: And then that's probably the case with Cooper.
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  Speaker 3: If he's ever gonna be something we'll find out most
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  likely two or three years down the road.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff, I want to stick with wide receiver. One guy
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  that that's definitely gonna have a role on this team
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  and has had a really good summer is Johan Dottson.
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  Made a nice catch at the open practice the other
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  night from Jalen hurts and I want to know is
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  he gonna have an extended role? He didn't get a
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  full camp with the Eagles last year. This year he does.
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  Do you think he's gonna have more of a role
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  in this offense heading into the season.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate that question, Nick, because I just rattled off
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  like a ten minute answer on wide receivers and you
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  still want to talk.
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  Speaker 2: I guess I did not bore you, guys. I was
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  and worried about that.
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  Speaker 1: At least he's.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's true.
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  Speaker 3: It is a great question because of who he is
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  in his skill set makes it a little bit difficult
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  he is not a natural slot wide receiver.
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  Speaker 2: He has played there at Penn State, he played there
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  a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: But when you're talking about having a j Brown DeVante Smith,
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  you know, AJ's your ex Davante is your move Z.
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  You would love for a natural sort of Jason Levant,
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  like slot wide receiver or Nelson Aguil or slot wide
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  receiver who's just comfortable there. So because he's not, what
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  they do is they they run their their alignments differently.
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  Speaker 2: You'll I talked about those reduced splits.
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  Speaker 3: They play the receivers tighter to the line of scrimmage
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  and then run a variety of routes off of that.
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  So that is where they'll probably continue to work Johan
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  Dotson in where you'll see him trips right with Davante
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  and maybe Johnny Wilson or a flex tight end, and
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  then you'll see like this traffic jam of routes which
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  is designed to get guys open, because Johan really doesn't
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  win enough in enough positions on the field by himself
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  to say you are my starting x y Z.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: So that's how they have to do it creatively with him,
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  and they've managed to do it in the past. I
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  think to your question, though, once everybody's healthy and they
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  play a game, and you got targets to aj you
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  got targets Devanta, you got targets in Dallas.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't know how.
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  Speaker 3: And you're gonna throw the ball a little bit more,
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  probably to Saquan or Shipley.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really know on a per game basis, how
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  much more we're talking.
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  Speaker 4: About for Johan defensively, Jeff Ringo, Bennett and adri Jackson.
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  Where do things stand with those three guys they did
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  not have a good showing against Cincinnati and Jamar Chase
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  and Joe Burrow And how important are these joint practices
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  coming up this week with Cleveland for that number, for
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  that CB two.
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  Speaker 2: Job, isn't it? Do you guys ever? Gonna laugh?
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  Speaker 3: Just listening to Vic Fangio and he's talking about Dori
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  Jackson and he said, you know, he's a guy who
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  can really grow and learn from this.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, this guy has played eight years.
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  Speaker 3: Nine ye're as a first round pick and his coordinator
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  is telling him he can learn and grow from this.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, that way he even said it
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  earlier in camp. Oh, he's continuing to grow and learn that.
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  Speaker 4: Is this like a Bryce Huff situation all over again,
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  or I don't think it's that bad.
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  Speaker 2: It's not that bad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think that Dory Jackson can can play and give
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  you a baseline level of.
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  Speaker 2: Competition out there.
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  Speaker 3: But to fix point, it's not like anybody's just jumping
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  out there and stealing this job.
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  Speaker 2: It's a hard defense to learn. They do in their
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  Zonne principles.
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  Speaker 3: It's called match carriage delivery, where you're playing his own
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  but you may have man coverage in your area of
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  the zone until you carry and delivered that receiver or
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  tight end right to a different zone and then somebody
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  else picks him up. That stuff is hard to learn overnight.
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  So I think that's the challenge that a Dory and
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  now Jacorey and Bennett face. It should favor Khilley Ringo
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  year two. I think he's got to calm down and
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  just play a little football, you know, and make the
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  tackle when it's there. I thought that that was the
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  worst play over the back shoulder. The back shoulder, you
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  know how many good cornerbacks to give up a back
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  shoulder to Jamar Chase. I mean, he didn't track the
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  ball well but to me, it was the rushed bad
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  tackle that led to the touchdown. That was that Killey Ringo, Right, Yeah,
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  that was the that was issue. But there's there's a
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  lot of time here. I know, it seems like there's
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  not There's still several weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff, I want to stay on the defensive side of things,
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  in the interior defensive line, whether it's Ty Robinson, Byron Young,
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  Gabe Hall, they get rid of Thomas Booker. I thought
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  Vic's answer was interesting on Saturday, he said, are they where?
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  Are they where they need to be? No, but they're
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  coming along and hopefully that we'll can. Who do you
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  think is coming along at this point? And who do
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  you think will rise after Thomas Booker being traded for Bennett?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that just shows your VIC standard, right,
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  I mean I have yet to hear Vic say, man,
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  this guy's arrived, this guy is really playing out an
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  elite left. Maybe he said that about Jail and Carter,
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  but probably in the middle of last year.
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  Speaker 2: I think he said that when.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone was asking about playing all these snaps, right, So
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  you have to kind of read between that.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think to his point, and you sometimes
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  we always say on inside the Birds.
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  Speaker 3: The answers to the tester right there, if you guys remember,
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  if you guys were awake and actually watching it, and
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  I applaud you. If you were in the fourth quarter
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  of the preseason game on Thursday night, on the last
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  third down for the Bengals, Ty Robinson and Gabe Hole
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  were executing an inside stunt right, a TT stunt, I believe,
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  which I mean, how often do you see guys who
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  are playing in the first quarter also playing in the
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  fourth quarter. But Vic is very adamant about getting time,
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  getting reps. He's always making fun of people, I think
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  on his own maybe who think practice is not as
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  important or want to truncate practice. So I do really
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  think that when he talks about that, he means Ty
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  Robinson is a rookie and he's probably swimming a little
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  bit and needs snaps.
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  Speaker 2: Game all need snaps. I mean, clearly the guys who didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Play are guys he's comfortable with, right, So I do
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  think Robinson will work his way into the rotation at
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  some point.
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  Speaker 2: And I like what I've seen from gay Ball.
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  Speaker 1: At the open practice. I know Drew Mcoms can team work.
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  Sidney Brown was a little banged up in that preseason game.
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  Where does it stand in the secondary at safety? I
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  know a lot of fans and listeners have concerns about
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  the safety position. Where are we at with Macooba's development.
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  I know he was hurt a little bit, he was
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  banged up. Where are we at there with safety?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big week.
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  Speaker 3: It's a big week for both of them with the bank,
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  with the Browns coming into town, these two practices, and
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  not just these guys but a lot of them. But
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  they're going to treat these two practices like the game.
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  They're gonna script everything, which is the beauty of the
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  joint practices. They're gonna go through every down and distance scenario.
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  They want to see red zone, goal line, first down,
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  backed up, and they're gonna go at it with the
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  Browns because that's what you do. Enjoy practices. So it's
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  a really big week Nick for Sydney Brown and for mccouba.
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  I give mccouba some credit. He returned to practice. They
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  didn't play him in the preseason game. I think they
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  wanted to make sure he's one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: For this week. But he did come to practice.
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  Speaker 3: What was that Tuesday, right, and he participated in the
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  drills and thought he did a good job. You know,
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  I give up a touchdown of Goddard who jumped up
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  in the air and plucked it out of the air.
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  Wasn't like it was bad coverage, broke up another pass.
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  He did look to me like he was still like
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  one hundred percent. So I give him a lot of
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  credit for getting out there. And I think this week
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  Nick will be big because if I were to shoot
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  up everybody on the coaching staff with truth serum and
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  check them with that, I think they would tell you
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  they would say they want mccuba to win the job.
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  He's more versatile. He's the type of guy that can
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  flourish in Vic Fangio's system. But it's not like they
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  Brown has played poorly. You heard Vic say, you're still
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  trying to recognize things a little quicker. And this week
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  will be a perfect opportunity to do that against the
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  defense that's gonna I mean, I'm sorry, against an offense
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  that's gonna show him stuff that he'd not been seeing
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  for the last two weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also want to talk about Cooper Degene
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  just real quick, because there's if people texting in regarding Degene,
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  could he move to the outside if they don't like
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  what they see from Bennett and Ringo and a Dori
• 18:25
  Jackson really don't grab that second cornerback spot. Is there
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  any chance at all that Degene could move to the outside.
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  I know they want to use him in nickel, They
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  want to use him in safety, linebacker, whatever it may be.
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  They want to utilize all of his skill sets all
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  over the place on defense. Is there any chance he
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  could ever play outside corner? They could use him there
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  at some point.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's funny when they drafted him last last April, right,
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  two aprils ago, they drafted him with the idea that.
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  Speaker 2: He'd eventually be an outside corner. Right, that's that's a fact.
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  That is something that I know for a fact.
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  Speaker 3: But just because that's what they intended then doesn't mean
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  the defensive coordinator has to agree or do it.
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  Speaker 2: And no one's gonna say, Vic, you you don't, don't
• 19:07
  don't do that? Right? So Vic did this spring.
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  Speaker 3: Vic practiced him at least in one of the OTAs
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  we watched at outside corner, practice him at safety, and
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  Vic for right now has decided that if he is
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  going to play a position along with Nickel. Let's let's
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  be let's get the facts out first. He's gonna be
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  the nickel corner and they're gonna play Nickel eighty percent
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  of the time. So the conversation we're really having is
• 19:30
  about these other snaps where the five man fronts on
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  the field right run down and they're only playing four.
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  Speaker 2: Defensive backs two safeties.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks right now like they want to see
• 19:41
  Cooper de Gene in that spot. And to your question,
• 19:44
  that might have something to do with the uncertainty going
• 19:47
  round right now at the other safety spot, and that
• 19:49
  Macouba himself is a little undersized and already uh Sydney
• 19:54
  Brown has struggle with injury, so maybe this helps take
• 19:57
  the workload off him by not having him out there
• 20:00
  in the base defense. That doesn't mean the door is
• 20:02
  closed on Cooper de jan playing outside corner anytime down
• 20:06
  the road, but based on what we see in practice,
• 20:08
  I don't. I don't think we've seen him play outside
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  corner in base at all. So now I'll go back
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  to last year. I'm sorry, I'm being very long winded.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay, that's why we're here. It's football at four.
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  Jeff We're having a lot of fun. You're in the
• 20:21
  principal's office once again.
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  Speaker 3: Might get to be might get to be football at
• 20:24
  five in a minute, It's okay, I could.
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  Speaker 1: Talk football day. It's we're getting so close. It's preseason.
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  Speaker 2: A little rusty, It's okay, good, we're all in preseason four.
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  Speaker 3: If you go back to last year, Quinya Mitchell was
• 20:37
  the nickelback for like the first week or two of
• 20:39
  camp until Cooper de Jan came back and he felt
• 20:42
  comfortable moving Quinn on the outside.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Corner and then it just took off from there. But
• 20:47
  I mean all.
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  Speaker 3: Throughout the OTAs and for the first I want to say,
• 20:50
  two weeks of camp, Quinya Mitchell was the slot cornerback.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Nobody remembers that now, I don't.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I did not remember that at all.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Right, Right, so we've obsessed over the last two weeks
• 21:00
  about Cooper de Gen playing safety, right, who knows? Something
• 21:03
  could something change with this outside corner situation that makes
• 21:07
  Victory think it sure? But for now the facts are
• 21:11
  he's base safety in nickel corner or nickel mack.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Last one for me, mosh Jahad Campbell. He only played
• 21:17
  fifteen snaps on Thursday night. Maybe they're just trying to
• 21:22
  not give him too much on his plate. At one time,
• 21:26
  where did things stand with Campbell? Do you think he'll
• 21:28
  be starting come week one?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: You know, you know how they tell rookies, if you're
• 21:32
  gonna make a mistake, make it at one hundred miles
• 21:34
  per hour or just go play one hundred miles per hour.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Well, you saw in that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean he's trying to get downhill on a run
• 21:39
  and he gets his hands on a guy's face against
• 21:42
  flat Yeah. But then if you guys remember there was
• 21:46
  that pass over the middle. Andre Sam hits the receiver
• 21:49
  and the ball goes up in the air, and this
• 21:52
  is like fifteen yards downfield, right, and who's come up
• 21:55
  with interception?
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Hod Campbell. And I'm like, wow, he came from
• 21:59
  pretty far away to get there.
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  Speaker 3: That shows he has athleticism and it shows you why,
• 22:03
  you know, they want to give him every.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Opportunity to get on the field.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: But Vic's not gonna play him if he doesn't think
• 22:11
  he's mentally ready, if he knows how to use his
• 22:14
  body the right way, if he doesn't over pursue. You know,
• 22:17
  Sidney Brown last year, A hair on fire, plays great
• 22:19
  hits anything that's in front of him. But he was
• 22:22
  not assignment sound. So Vic's gonna play the assignment sound guy.
• 22:26
  But if John Campbell continues to progress and shows that
• 22:29
  he'll be and this is a big week for him too,
• 22:30
  I think then he will. He'll get that job, but
• 22:33
  he's got to show it.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Jeff, thanks so much for joining us today for Football
• 22:38
  at four. I know you're excited. The summer's almost over,
• 22:41
  we're getting closer to football season. It's gonna be a
• 22:44
  lot of fun. We're still a preseason for him here,
• 22:46
  and Mike, you know he's he's a world traveler now,
• 22:48
  so we'll let him be for a couple of Oh yeah,
• 22:51
  for sure. So well, thank you so much for joining
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  us at Jeff P. Mosher on the Twitter x platform.
• 22:58
  Thanks again.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: All right, guys, have good on Thanks