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Why the New Bill WON’T fix College football + Lincoln Riley + Kalen DeBoer’s hot seat | 8.6 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 3: out at SI.com. Pat Forty, what's going on, man?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Beaumont. How are you? Yes, I was just under
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  Speaker 1: the Golden Dome and looking at the gold plated new
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  Speaker 1: facilities that the fighting Irish are toiling under.
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  Speaker 3: So for people who don't know this, Notre Dame built
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  Speaker 3: a hundred million dollar facility that has been all around
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  Speaker 3: the internet.
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  Speaker 2: Pat is there. And you say it's, it's just ungodly, huh?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an absolute palace. It's unbelievable. I mean, every
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  Speaker 1: possible modern convenience amenity that you can imagine for a
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  Speaker 1: football program. And that's, You know, there are a lot
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  Speaker 1: of them you can imagine these days. There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of places that have built their own campus Taj Mahal
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  Speaker 1: for football. Now Notre Dame moves to the top of
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  Speaker 1: the list. And the one thing that does tickle me
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  Speaker 1: is they have a, you know, a light up sign
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  Speaker 1: in there that says choose hard. This is not hard.
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  Speaker 1: This is not hard living that they're doing. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they are well taken care of as players. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean they're not going to work hard and play hard,
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  Speaker 1: but they are. pampered to a degree that I think
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  Speaker 1: most NFL franchises would be impressed by.
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  Speaker 3: Well, one of the things that I find interesting though,
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  Speaker 3: is that in this new day and age, I feel
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  Speaker 3: like we're going to see less of the super facilities
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  Speaker 3: because the facilities used to be what you.
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  Speaker 2: Did with the money.
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  Speaker 3: When you couldn't give it to the players, you gave
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  Speaker 3: them nice dorms and you gave them.
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  Speaker 2: These absurd facilities.
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  Speaker 3: Like this almost sounds like it's an antiquated idea of
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  Speaker 3: how to get players.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's, it's interesting that, uh, There was a time, yes,
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  Speaker 1: that you gave them a miniature golf course and a
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  Speaker 1: water slide and a barbershop to distract from the fact
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  Speaker 1: that you're not paying them. But now you're paying them
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  Speaker 1: a lot. And so I think this is a trend
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  Speaker 1: that's probably vanishing to a degree, but it's not gone away.
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  Speaker 1: Notre Dame has this. USC is opening a brand new
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  Speaker 1: state-of-the-art facility. So there's still some of that that's going on.
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  Speaker 1: But for the most part, I mean, if you ask around,
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  Speaker 1: the primary objective is pay the players, not gold plate
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  Speaker 1: the facilities.
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  Speaker 2: There's a USC, man.
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  Speaker 3: That was perfectly good buyout money for when they're looking
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  Speaker 3: for a coach next year.
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  Speaker 1: A little pressure on Lincoln Riley, a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it is. It is amazing.
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  Speaker 3: And we're going to get to the Protect College Sports Act.
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  Speaker 1: In a minute.
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  Speaker 3: But while we're here on this, Lincoln Riley, I can't
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  Speaker 3: think of anybody that's coming into this season with more
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  Speaker 3: obvious pressure on them.
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  Speaker 2: And it's so interesting because he.
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  Speaker 3: Made what I thought was a reasonable calculation that, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you where it stood in the Big 12, everything else.
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember.
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  Speaker 2: The SEC move had already been determined, but.
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  Speaker 3: He thought that it was a better play for him
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  Speaker 3: to go to USC. But as that was happening, all
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  Speaker 3: the OU fans were like, you guys can have him
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  Speaker 3: if you want him.
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  Speaker 2: We're not really like, we don't care that much about
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  Speaker 2: keeping him.
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  Speaker 3: And now Oklahoma is clearly in a more solid position,
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  Speaker 3: I think, that we would argue than USC is. And
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  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams has been gone a long time now, and
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  Speaker 3: that dude is clearly coaching for his job.
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  Speaker 1: No doubt about it. This is make or break for him. Although,
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  Speaker 1: you know, again, the buyout would be astronomical because they
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  Speaker 1: gave him so much money to begin with. But I
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  Speaker 1: don't know whether buyouts even matter anymore in the economics
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  Speaker 1: of current college athletics.
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  Speaker 2: But at some point, that's going to have to stop, right?
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  Speaker 3: Just giving everybody the gazillion dollar buyout in order to
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  Speaker 3: make them feel loved.
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  Speaker 1: You'd think you hear that. But then does it go away? Really?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I've I've had a lot of people say
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  Speaker 1: that that when it comes down to competing to get
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  Speaker 1: a coach like Lane Kiffin, If it's between you and
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  Speaker 1: another school, you'll go ahead and overpay him and overbuy
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  Speaker 1: out him, so to speak. But, yeah, Lincoln Riley's up
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  Speaker 1: against it, no doubt about it. He came in. There
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  Speaker 1: was no expectation that five years in they would be
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  Speaker 1: at a point where you're hoping to be a top
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  Speaker 1: 15 program. They did have the Caleb Williams moment come
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  Speaker 1: and go without it resulting in a playoff bid. And now,
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  Speaker 1: even though it's a bigger playoff, it's still hard to
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  Speaker 1: get in there in a tougher conference. That's one thing
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  Speaker 1: that's pretty funny. It was kind of the okey-doke of,
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  Speaker 1: all right, I'm not going to go to the SEC. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: but wait, you are going to go to the Big
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  Speaker 1: Ten with USC as opposed to potentially being the dominant
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  Speaker 1: program in a Pac-12 that doesn't exist. So they've got
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  Speaker 1: to get it done this season. And they feel confident
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  Speaker 1: that they would. I was at Big Ten media days.
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  Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley was as relaxed and confident as I've ever
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  Speaker 1: seen him at that event. But he needs to back
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  Speaker 1: it up now. They got to actually do it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, and the Big Ten brings us, I think,
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  Speaker 3: in a good way to talking about the Protect College
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  Speaker 3: Sports Act. Because one thing that is interesting is how
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  Speaker 3: far removed we are now from 20 years ago where
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  Speaker 3: the Big Ten was not just a clear step below
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  Speaker 3: the SEC. I would argue at that point, the Big
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  Speaker 3: Ten was a step below the Big 12 in terms
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  Speaker 3: of like actual, you know, the level of competition. You
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  Speaker 3: can make arguments at points that the then Pac-10 was superior.
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  Speaker 2: Now the Big Ten has won three straight championships.
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  Speaker 3: I do buy the idea that the SEC probably still
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  Speaker 3: has better depth. However, we live in a world where
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  Speaker 3: Indiana won a national championship. So what exactly does that mean?
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  Speaker 3: But I want to walk through how we got to
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  Speaker 3: where we are with the Protect College Sports Act because
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  Speaker 3: we started with the SCORE Act, which, I mean, these
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  Speaker 3: acts seem pretty good for the programs, don't seem very
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  Speaker 3: good for the players, but that one got struck down.
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  Speaker 3: We then wound up with the current act, which intends
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  Speaker 3: to do things like limit transfers, try to put a
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  Speaker 3: salary cap in. Well, not a salary because they're not employees.
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  Speaker 3: That's the only way that works, right? Like some cap
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  Speaker 3: on expenditure. A few other things there in place. But
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  Speaker 3: what wound up happening with this act and why it
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  Speaker 3: got held up for a while was the SEC and
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  Speaker 3: Big Ten schools didn't want it, which thereby meant that
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  Speaker 3: the congresspeople.
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  Speaker 2: From their states would not necessarily vote for it.
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  Speaker 3: Now it seems that they rallied to get the votes
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  Speaker 3: because those conferences did more things. But I don't think
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  Speaker 3: people understand what is going on with the bill itself.
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  Speaker 3: Could you give an insight as to what this bill
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  Speaker 3: is supposed to do?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's a lot. It is way too
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  Speaker 1: big a bill. It's a fat bill as opposed to
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  Speaker 1: a skinny bill. It is trying to appease all people
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  Speaker 1: with all things. And that's where a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: issues have arisen here. But in terms of the SEC
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  Speaker 1: and Big Ten getting on board with it, antithetically to
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  Speaker 1: a degree, was because they held out for a hard
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  Speaker 1: salary cap. you may say, well, those are the two
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  Speaker 1: richest conferences. Why do they care how much the salary
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  Speaker 1: cap is? It's like the Yankees and the Dodgers saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we need a firm cap in baseball when you're the
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  Speaker 1: two richest. But the way that they have it worked
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  Speaker 1: out now is a, and we're going to get into
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  Speaker 1: the weeds here to a degree, a lot of numbers
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  Speaker 1: and stuff, but $ 21. 3 million is the revenue sharing cap.
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  Speaker 1: As you said, not salary, because we can't have a
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  Speaker 1: salary with no employees. but the revenue sharing cap for athletes.
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  Speaker 1: But there's also now a $ 23 million retention cap that's
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  Speaker 1: on top of that. So now we're at 44, right?
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  Speaker 1: And then there is a $ 5 million pool that goes
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  Speaker 1: to Olympic sports slash women's sports. So we're at 48.8
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  Speaker 1: million is roughly the math. Now, who can afford that?
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  Speaker 1: Everybody in the SEC and the Big Ten, right? Pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe Mississippi State and Purdue need to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: stretch some dollars or whatever. Who can't? Pretty much everybody else,
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  Speaker 1: unless your name is Clemson, Florida State, Miami, you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe a North Carolina. But you are still, you are
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  Speaker 1: creating a cap that is comfortable for you and uncomfortable
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  Speaker 1: for those that aren't in those two leagues. So it's
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  Speaker 1: a sweet spot for the SEC and the Big Ten
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  Speaker 1: to get into from a rev share cap. Now, there's
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  Speaker 1: 9 million other things that are part of this bill,
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  Speaker 1: but that's what got the SEC and the Big Ten
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  Speaker 1: on board with it.
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  Speaker 3: Now, when we say a retention fund, is that a
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  Speaker 3: retention of players that are currently on rosters to stop
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  Speaker 3: them from transferring?
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  Speaker 1: Correct, yes. That's what the retention fund is. One of
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  Speaker 1: the ways to slow down the transferring is have enough
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  Speaker 1: money on hand to keep the players that you want
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  Speaker 1: to keep.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And they also want to cap transfers.
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  Speaker 3: That's a big part of this, which is where this
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  Speaker 3: gets tricky because capping transfers has been basically determined a
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  Speaker 3: restriction of trade by the courts throughout all of this
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  Speaker 3: to stop, to put it in place to where the
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  Speaker 3: guys cannot transfer. But there's also been an attempt to
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  Speaker 3: try to get some form of an antitrust exemption involved
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  Speaker 3: in this.
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  Speaker 2: That would then allow you.
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  Speaker 3: To cap the transfers and handcuff the players, which you're
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  Speaker 3: going to find is a common theme in this bill.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of handcuffing the players and players not
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  Speaker 3: having an advocacy group that sits at this table and
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  Speaker 3: has real position. There's lobbying being done by some people,
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  Speaker 3: but they don't really have much say so. And I
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  Speaker 3: think a very important detail is if teams go over
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  Speaker 3: this amount in spending, it's not like the old days
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  Speaker 3: where the Keystone cops show up. Technically, it's the feds
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  Speaker 3: that show up if you go over the spending cap.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right. I mean, it's not NCAA enforcement where, in theory,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to take three years to find out that
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  Speaker 1: somebody went over the cap by $ 28 and we're going
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  Speaker 1: to hand down a suspension or whatever there. This will
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  Speaker 1: be different. They're trying to empower the College Sports Commission,
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  Speaker 1: which was created to be the enforcement arm of the
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  Speaker 1: salary cap. That so far has worked about as well
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  Speaker 1: as every other attempt to enforce the rules in college sports.
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  Speaker 1: They haven't really done much of anything. A few public
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  Speaker 1: victories they can look at, a few sanctions that matter.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why we got to this point. Whether there
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  Speaker 1: really can be adequate enforcement or not, we'll see. But
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  Speaker 1: you are 100% correct that a lot of these rules
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  Speaker 1: that are put in place are to stop these crazy
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  Speaker 1: kids from getting all that dang money and being allowed
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  Speaker 1: to move around. And we need to go back to
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  Speaker 1: the days where there's a little more control out there.
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  Speaker 1: And there's no doubt that that's part of this. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the athletes, who hasn't been present in any of these discussions?
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  Speaker 1: The athletes or any advocacy group on their behalf. And
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing is constructed out in a way that
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  Speaker 1: gives the athletes something but still prevents them from having
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  Speaker 1: employment status, prevents them from having a union, and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of other of the powers that exist in actual
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  Speaker 1: professional sports.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, for people who have questions about
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  Speaker 3: the College Sports Commission, you may have seen this news.
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  Speaker 3: They're the clowns who just suspended a player at Tennessee
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  Speaker 3: for two or three games for four hundred dollars that
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  Speaker 3: he got for a plane ticket when he was draft eligible.
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  Speaker 3: And they won't just let him pay back the four
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  Speaker 3: hundred dollars like that's kicking it old school. Like it's
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  Speaker 3: our friendly reminder when we go back and look at
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  Speaker 3: what the dollar amounts were that they used to end
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  Speaker 3: people's careers over.
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  Speaker 2: It really could be over something like $ 400.
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  Speaker 3: And they really told this guy, yeah, you're going to
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  Speaker 3: be down for a couple of games.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: You can't pay it back. The ultimate, I have to
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  Speaker 3: justify my existence. But in all this money thrown around,
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  Speaker 3: somebody popped up over $ 400.
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  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Like it was old school, like a nostalgic almost,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that like, oh, they can still actually nuke
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  Speaker 1: somebody for something crazy. Relatively picky. Everybody's reaction was, God,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think there were any rules on what anybody
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  Speaker 1: could accept in terms of payment. It was pretty shocking
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  Speaker 1: to see. Again, I still don't fully understand the delineation there,
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  Speaker 1: but I guess it was a reminder there are still
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  Speaker 1: people out there trying to enforce arcane, arbitrary, confusing, contradictory rules.
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  Speaker 3: Now, this bill would need basically 60 votes to be
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  Speaker 3: sure to get through the Senate, then it has to
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  Speaker 3: go to the House, and the House is an unwieldy situation.
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  Speaker 3: None of this is promised, and something very interesting When
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  Speaker 3: the Congressional Black Caucus and the NAACP advocated for players
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  Speaker 3: to boycott Southern schools, something that was very interesting was
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  Speaker 3: that the SCORE Act, which was at Congress at the time,
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  Speaker 3: that wound up dying because the CBC had promised that
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  Speaker 3: its membership would vote for that bill, which is highly
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  Speaker 3: detrimental to players. This bill is also highly detrimental to players.
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  Speaker 3: But at the same time that the CBC was asking
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  Speaker 3: these players to make a sacrifice, The CBC was selling
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  Speaker 3: them out. However, I bring that up to say if
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  Speaker 3: they weren't going to vote for the SCORE Act because
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  Speaker 3: they were waiting for changes in the Voting Rights Act
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  Speaker 3: and things to take place, then that also means that
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  Speaker 3: they're not going to vote for this act. At least
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  Speaker 3: one would think in principle, which actually may wind up
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  Speaker 3: being the hold up on the whole thing, because this
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  Speaker 3: thing doesn't actually have the votes in. It offends a
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  Speaker 3: lot of Republicans. I think that's a part that people
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  Speaker 3: don't quite get. The noted advocate of the working man,
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  Speaker 3: Byron Donalds in Florida, who's running for governor, he was
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  Speaker 3: a key opponent of it. Not a member of the
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  Speaker 3: Congressional Black Caucus. He's just black and congressional. But it
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  Speaker 3: was basically as a restriction of trade situation. So a
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  Speaker 3: lot of far, I don't want to say far right
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  Speaker 3: wing groups, that's not far, but like libertarian free market
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  Speaker 3: type groups, a lot of them are like, nah, nah, nah, man,
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  Speaker 3: this doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: Work for us at all.
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  Speaker 3: We don't think this is going to make sure I
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: get the name right on one of these organizations. But
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  Speaker 3: it's the American Economic Liberty Project. They're not riding with this.
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  Speaker 3: This bill isn't promised, but what does seem clear, you
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  Speaker 3: correct me if I'm wrong, it's not that the SEC
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  Speaker 3: and Big Ten did not feel like this was going
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  Speaker 3: to be good for college football or college sports. They
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  Speaker 3: didn't think it was going to be good for them.
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  Speaker 3: The hegemony that they have established, which is, it's really crazy.
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  Speaker 3: It's really two conferences and everybody else, but that hegemony,
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  Speaker 3: they are dug in on that.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. No, they're not dug in over broad-based concerns about
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  Speaker 1: the health of college sports, they're dug in over their
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  Speaker 1: ability to continue to dominate everything economically and competitively. So
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  Speaker 1: you're 100% right about that. And it has. The bill
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  Speaker 1: has created some strange bedfellows to your point where you've
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  Speaker 1: got some people on both sides of the aisle who
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  Speaker 1: really like it. You've got some people on both sides
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  Speaker 1: of the aisle who really hate it. You've got some
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  Speaker 1: advocacy and lobbying groups that would never see eye to
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  Speaker 1: eye on almost anything who may lock arms on this.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, the chances of this thing still passing are,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's by no means a done deal. And
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  Speaker 1: that is with Trump and a lot of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: influential senators behind this and then a lot of heavyweight
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  Speaker 1: people in college athletics pushing this. They may get it
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  Speaker 1: through the Senate. The timing is really difficult. We are
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  Speaker 1: sitting here Wednesday morning, East Coast time, and they're pushing
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  Speaker 1: hard to get this thing to a vote this week
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  Speaker 1: in the Senate. But if it doesn't happen this week,
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  Speaker 1: gets kicked to September, he's like, oh, well, then we
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  Speaker 1: get in a re-election cycle and that's going to hurt
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  Speaker 1: the chances of it. But even if they get it done,
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  Speaker 1: like if they get this thing voted on by like Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: if everybody agrees to stay in session in the Senate
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  Speaker 1: and vote Saturday, then it's got to go to the House.
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  Speaker 1: And as you said, a whole new set of complications there,
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  Speaker 1: a whole new set of– people who will want to
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  Speaker 1: put their fingerprints on this thing, and there may be
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people that don't like it and just say, no,
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  Speaker 1: never mind. And we will have gone through this incredible
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  Speaker 1: cycle of listening to Greg Sankey, Tony Petitti, Charlie Baker,
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  Speaker 1: Nick Saban, so on and so forth, say, we've got
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  Speaker 1: to have this, we've got to have this, and we
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  Speaker 1: don't get it. And then it's like, why did you
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  Speaker 1: waste all our time and money on this?
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  Speaker 3: And I think one of the dangers or one of
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: the things that's worth considering here And I don't know
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: if you've experienced this, but this has always been my experience.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: The less familiar people are.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: With college sports when you try to explain it to them,
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: the more insane they find it.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: They're like, wait a minute, wait a minute. Like, if
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: you try to explain this whole system to somebody from
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: another country, Like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: they don't get paid.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, what he's been saying, wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, oh, slow down, buddy. Slow down, buddy.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Like the charm of this is that it doesn't really
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: make sense. Like the good and the bad of it
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: always comes down to the fact that it doesn't make sense.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: And now they've got to sell this to a lot
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: of people to whom this doesn't this doesn't matter.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: There are a lot of states that don't even have
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: these games.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Like when you really stop and think about it, how
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: many places this does not really matter to them. But
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: this is what the NCAA and all the people around
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: it have wanted is for somebody else to solve their problems.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Cody Campbell, the bankroll at Texas Tech, has put all
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: this money in so that somebody else who kind of
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: knows less than these people do about their own shit
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: could save them. And it's in part, correct me if
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: I'm wrong, because nobody will just follow their own rules.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Like they have rules. They could just follow them.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: If you just took everything you just said, condensed that,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: like put that on an inscription somewhere and say, that's
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: college sports. It makes no sense. Nobody has any interest
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: in playing by the rules. Nobody wants to work together. Oh,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: but God, somebody come please save us because we love
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the games. We love the actual sport. Right. And you
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: said you bring in people from overseas or something and
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: you try to explain this to them and you take
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: them to Boulder, Colorado and say there's this giant wild animal.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: It's going to run around the field and 60,000 people
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: are going to go crazy and then they're going to
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: play this sport and everybody's going to go crazy. And then,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: you know, at LSU, there's a live tiger outside the
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: stadium and people love it. But then there's all these
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: structural problems that make no sense. are not employees, even
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: though they should be employees. We're trying to thread this
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: needle where we fake that there is some level of
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: amateurism or collegiality or academics involved here. But we can't
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: really make it work, so we need Congress to come
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: in and fix this for us. And who wants Congress
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: to fix anything because they're not good at it? That's
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: where we are.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: All these people who, in their voting activities, swear that
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: they want small government.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Right?
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Like that's a big part of this. Nobody likes the government.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: until they need something.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like the cops.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: I ain't the biggest fan of the cops, but if
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: you break in my car, guess who I'm calling?
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Like, now the time has come. And so.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I look at how.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: All of this goes, and I do not think that
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: this bill itself is going to pass.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: But what's going to happen if it doesn't?
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Honestly, I mean, we go back to
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the district court in Colorado, the district court in Tennessee,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: the district court in West Virginia deciding how everything goes.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: And what they generally decide is the NCAA rules are illegal.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: screw them, throw it out. Players can go where they want.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: They can get paid what they want. Everybody will break
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the rules on salary cap. And then everybody else will
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: complain about it. And every single coach in America will
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: say how unfair it is. And a lot of the
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: people that grew up loving college sports a certain way
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: will say, I don't recognize this product. But they'll still
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: go to the games and they'll still watch the games.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that, I think it's almost unbreakable.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: It's hard. as the leadership has tried to break it,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: to ruin college football and college sports in general, I
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: kind of think it's unbreakable. As long as Alabama still
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: runs out in Bryant-Denny Stadium and they're wearing those uniforms
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: and they're playing that fight song, people will still go.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I think that the University of Texas, if they're still
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: in Daryl K. Royal Stadium and Bevo is on the sideline,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: and the eyes of Texas is playing, and they're wearing
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: those uniforms. You can't break it. You can't screw it up.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: As much as people who have been paid a sultan's
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: fee to oversee it have screwed it up, it's unbreakable.
• 21:43
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• 26:05
  Speaker 3: We had a court decision. The NCAA passed a rule
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: that said, well, now, guys can play five years eligibility.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Used to be you had five years to play four, right?
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: You have a red shirt year thrown in there. Now
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: it is a widespread five years all the way across
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: the board. We saw a lawsuit from players whose eligibility
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: ended last year. And they basically said, it's kind of
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: arbitrary that we don't get to play if it's five years.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: And so now we have a circumstance, correct me if
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I'm wrong here, where these guys who played last year,
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: if they want.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: To, can come get on another football team.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Just jump on board, and guys that have scholarships now,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: you better hold on tight because there might be some
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: grown man coming to take your gig.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Early August, camps have opened, and there are absolutely players
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: who are coming back who thought they were done. They're like, hey,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: you know what? I'm not on an NFL roster. I'm available.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Indiana is believed to be adding three guys, a couple
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: of them who were key players from last year. back
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: onto this year's team because they weren't on an NFL
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: team and they can, according to this Colorado district court ruling.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's not complete total anarchy where like, if
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: you weren't in the portal before, you can't just go anywhere. Okay.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: If you're, if you're, you thought your college career ended
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: last year and all of a sudden now you've been
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: granted this next year. It's not like you can just
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: go from Oregon to Penn state, Like that, and just
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: snap your fingers. But it does potentially bring back in
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of guys, as you said, older players
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: who thought they were done 22, 23, back into the workforce,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: back onto the rosters. And yeah, if you were an
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: 18-year-old who came in and you no longer have a
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: red shirt year, you've got five years to play, you
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: have renewed competition for playing time within your own roster.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: And the schools that it was really funny, actually, in July,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: listening to all the coaches say, you know, at least
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: we have roster stability. We didn't have the spring portal.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: We knew who we had as of last January. Oh,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: except now we may have a whole bunch of guys
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: coming back in August. And so we are back in
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: a churn cycle in a sport that never seems to
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: stop churning.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think our buddy Jeff Goodman had taken
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: a quote from one coach whose response to this was,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: now that this has happened, I'm going to have to
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: screw over some guy on my team going to recruit
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: these other guys.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: And it's like, well, nobody said you had to do that, buddy.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: No, that's the other thing. And that's, look, coaches, they're
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the biggest whiners on the planet. Sometimes they have a
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: reason to whine, but a lot of times they don't.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: And this one kills me. It's like, you can say no.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: You can say, no, we're good. We're set here. Nobody
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: says you have to go out and take back these
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: players or take in different players. If you feel like
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: your team's good enough, get them out there and quit
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: complaining about it. It's amazing the level of alleged powerlessness
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: these coaches act like they have in a free marketplace.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Now, what do you think?
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: In all of this is the fate of the ACC
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: and Big 12 schools. I feel like, you correct me
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: if I'm wrong, we've got this top two, and then
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: in terms of what is possible revenue-wise, I feel like
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: the ACC is a step down because the ACC has
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: great real estate, if nothing else. And then the Big 12,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: which really is what used to be the Big 12,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: plus what used to be the Pac-12, together, feels like
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: just this weird cobbled together relationship of inconvenience that also
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: actually has 16 schools.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: But what happens to them?
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Because this part of what this bill is supposed to
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: do is make it impossible for a Super League to start,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: which kind of saved these other two conferences. But none
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: of us believe that they're trafficking in the same space.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Right. I mean, there's no doubt that the difference in
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: revenue and ability to pay players is definitely different in
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: two leagues from anywhere else. And, you know, I hated
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the demise of the Pac-12. I like a bigger, broader,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: more inclusive nation when it comes to competition. But if
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: you look at the AFCA preseason coaches poll, which came out,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I think, Tuesday, I The top 11 teams, nine of
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: them are Big Ten or SEC. The two that aren't
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: are Notre Dame and Miami, two places that have a
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: ton of money and are spending it freely. Then the
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: next one outside of that top 11 is Texas Tech,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: which has broken the model basically by spending Cody Campbell's
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: billionaire fortune on football. So I mean, the power schools
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: are the power schools, and they are in those conferences,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: and it really, I think, is going to be difficult
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: to unseat that. Notre Dame is its own special animal.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Miami is an outlier that spends like it's in the SEC,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: even if it's not. And then Texas Tech, as I said,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: is willing to try to disrupt everything. So I don't
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: like the way the landscape is, but it's hard to
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: say that's going to change any time. in the near future.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: How do you think this goes in the end for
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame?
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Cause that's always been like the interesting question with all
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: these changes has always been one, what happens to basketball schools, right?
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: We haven't even talked about like the big, big East,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: like Villanova type of schools, but then there's also the
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: unicorn that is Notre Dame.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Right. And the thing with, you know, Notre Dame obviously is,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: will do anything to protect its independent status and, I
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: don't blame them. It's a distinguishing characteristic. It's part of
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: them being able to say, look how special we are.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Look how different we are. It's interesting. One thing that happened,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: another thing that happened this week, starting in 2030, Notre
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Dame and USC are going to resume their rivalry, which
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: is off 2026 through 2029, and a terrible side effect
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: of the realignment of college sports. It's coming back, but
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: it's coming back on USC's terms. It's coming back as
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the season opener in 2030 and 31 and will be
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: played in the first three weeks in 32 and 33. Whereas,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: you know, for time immemorial, the game was mid-October in
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: South Bend, end of the season in Los Angeles. USC
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: didn't want that because, hey, they've got to travel to
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the Midwest two or three times a year and they
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: didn't want to throw another trip in there to go
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: to Notre Dame. So they said, forget it. And Notre
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Dame basically had to say, OK, we'll go along with
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: you because we're having a hard time scheduling good games now.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of places where the SEC has added
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: a ninth conference game. So that lessens the interest in
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: playing a Notre Dame. The Big Ten schools are saying, look,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: our league's now a mauler. Do we really need to
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: play Notre Dame? So Notre Dame needs those ACC games
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: they play every year. But they don't have a lot
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: of other marquee opponents out there. And they need USC
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: on their schedule more than USC needs Notre Dame. So
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: that's one area where that independent status, as great as
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: it's been, as much of a distinguishing characteristic as it is,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: it's kind of hemming them in from a scheduling standpoint.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, as much as people resent the role of Notre Dame,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: things are a little better with them in that sort
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: of weird old place. And for schools, it was great.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Cause it was like, look, you're scheduling Notre Dame. You're
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: going to get a sellout. Like that was the biggest thing.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: If we get you on the board, they, that half
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: in half out deal they have with the ACC was
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: great until it wasn't great.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Like it, it's amazing how much of this five years
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: ago just seemed perfectly reasonable.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: And now it just, that seems like the stone ages
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: at this point.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, look, I get, Again, if you're
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: the ACC, and yes, if you're Wake Forest and Notre
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Dame's coming to town, awesome. If you are Boston College,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: bring it on. You're thrilled to have that game. But
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: it does create some complications for them. It adds losses
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: for most of the teams they're going to play. That
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: further diminishes your chances of getting into the college football playoff.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame is high maintenance. They want to play Stanford
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: but not have it count for one of their ACC games.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Or maybe they do want it to count. Depends on
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: the season. Saying they've got a side deal with Clemson.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: So there are a lot of complications that come with
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: catering to Notre Dame. And look, I've always said I've
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: been in favor of Notre Dame's independent status. As you said,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: it's one of those kind of quirky elements that gets
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: people riled up or interested or whatever. um but and
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: like i think if if anybody else could do it
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: they should do it too like texas maybe could pull
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: it off usc could maybe pull it off a michigan
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: ohio state but not many people could pull it off
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: and all the people complaining about it like well you
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: go try it let's see how you do i don't
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: think you would.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Well hey man while we're here there's actual college football
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: that's coming up pretty soon um Is there a world
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: in which Indiana is our back-to-back national champion?
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Because I'm starting to see, they're starting.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: To get, it was one thing when Cignetti was doing
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: this with the guys that he wanted.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Now they're starting to get guys other people want too.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they did really well in the transfer portal for
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: guys that a lot of people wanted. It's really second
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: straight year than they got Fernando Mendoza last year. But
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I think they're going to be really good again this year.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: We picked them 10th and that was higher than most
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: people did last year. And we still underrated them. I
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: think in that AFCA poll, their fifth, do not discount Indiana.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: They've still got, they got a lot of really good
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: players and they brought in a lot of really good players.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: As you said, you know, highly rated transfer guys. The
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: question we will see, Cignetti is, every coach talks about
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: being a culture guy. He really is like a culture guy. Like,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we're going to do things this way.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: And a lot of that was Saban, He's also, he's
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: a coach's son. They had Nick Marsh, this receiver that
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: they got in from Michigan state. It was caught a
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: hundred passes in two years, really talented guy. And he
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: showed up at spring practice wearing gold cleats. No, that
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: didn't go too well with Sig. He made an issue
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: of it. He said, you know, after the press conference said, yeah, yeah. He, he,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: he found out what it's like to get his ass ripped.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I think it's the first time he, that had happened
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: to him. So there will be a, a level of
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: controlling sort of like you fit into us, not we
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: fit to you mentality that we'll maintain. And we'll see
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: how that works with a different level of recruit. Some
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: places you can get those guys to do that. Alabama,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: that's one of their great levels of success under Saban
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: was you bring in superstars who play to the way
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: you want them in a team fashion. We'll see if
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: that's going to work in Indiana.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Speaking of Alabama, I feel like every year I talked
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: about Lincoln Riley being on the highest seat.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Incorrect. Every year is Kalen DeBoer.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Is that is there a world where Alabama fans recalibrate
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: their standards for the new for the new world order?
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Because I will never forget when they scored that touchdown late.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: to beat Oklahoma. If you looked at the shots of
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: DeBoer on the sideline, he looked like the weight of
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: the world had left his shoulders. There's a zillion dollar buyout,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: but Alabama makes you quit. They don't necessarily fire you. Uh,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: where do you think this one, how it looks this
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: year for them?
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I, I don't know. I think it's iffy. Uh,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: they're starting number 11, which is low by their saving standards.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: And I'm not sure 11 is they're, they're worth 11. Um, it,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: It's so interesting. I mean, you are right. They had
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: to win that Oklahoma game. And even, I will say this, Beaumont,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: even after winning that game, they then lost so badly
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: to Indiana, a program they had looked down upon forever,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: that a lot of people forgot they even won a
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: playoff game on the road because the loss was so bad.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: They lost by 35 points to Indiana and just got...
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: hunched in the face in the second half, and that's
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the dominant image lingering over them. That and they did
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: lose by three touchdowns in the SEC championship game. So
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: absolutely pressure still on Kalen DeBoer. Now, the administration made
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: it clear they wanted to keep him last year when
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: there was some interest possibly from Michigan, maybe from Penn State.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: So they're behind him. I don't know where the fan
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: base is, and I'll tell you, like, that fan base is–
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: probably unlike any other. I remember very clearly in 2009
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: when Alabama was on its way to win its first
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: championship under Saban. They barely beat Tennessee with Lane Kiffin
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: as the coach. Maybe this might have been 2010. I
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: don't remember which year.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: No, it was 09.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: It was 09. Okay, it was 09. And Terrence Cody
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: blocked the field goal on the last play to win
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: the game. And Stadium erupts more in relief than in
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: joy and I remember walking down to the field and
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: some fan pulls me aside I'm at ESPN then and
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: he pulls me and said I can't believe this came
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: down to the last play Bear Bryant would be so
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: embarrassed for that I mean just like furious that they won,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: but they needed a last-second blocked field goal. And I
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: think that's that level of expectation that has been there
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: for decades and certainly has not gone away three years
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: after Nick Saban.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: They threw a brick through Bill Curry's window.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, they did.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: That's always the one we go back to. I kept
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: trying to tell people, even Bear Bryant had that bad
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: year at the end, and then he quit.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Now, of course, then he died.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: But he told them, this is not the coaching you
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: guys deserve. With Saban, that last year where they squeaked
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: into the playoff, Saban got out just in time.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: The monster would have turned on him like it turned
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: on anybody else. And DeBoer... it's a job you take,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: but Saban was so good.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: We have a generation that just doesn't understand exactly how
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: this job works.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: And I just don't know how this job continues to.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Work where you can't just reasonably expect that every coach
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: at Alabama is going to have at least one very
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: good to great team, which has really been the case
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: up until this point.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Everybody's had at least one.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, Gene Stallings won a national championship there.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, that is a place where Championship-level
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: success is expected. And for Kalen DeBoer, I mean, yeah,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: you take that job when it's available, but holy cow,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: you are stepping into something that nothing can prepare you,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think, for it. And we'll see this year
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: if they've got the horses, because if they don't, then,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: as you said, they'll wheel around on him. There is
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: no doubt about it. The expectation is we don't just...
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Go 10-2. We go 12-0. We win the SEC. We
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: go to the playoff, and we win that too. So
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: we'll see where this team can fall somewhere on the
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: spectrum between very good and winning everything.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Now, you mentioned Michigan.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: They've got something going that you don't see very often,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: which is an actual factual Hall of Fame coach changing jobs.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: They got one. And at Big Ten Media Day, he tried.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: To explain to people that basically he doesn't think that
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: a rivalry requires you to hate the people on the
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: other side. And I think it's important to note about Whittingham.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham is a BYU grad who coached at Utah forever.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: So maybe he had to think like that. But did
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: he not know where he was when he said that?
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: It was an eye-opening statement. That's for sure. That is
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: a perspective that is not appreciated in those two states,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: in Ohio and in Michigan. But he has like the
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Holy war is vicious. It is serious between BYU and Utah.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, they, they hate each other and he did
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: manage to be on both sides of that thing and,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: and live to tell about it, but you can't take
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: that out and translate it into Ohio state, Michigan. You
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: just can't, you have to, you got to lean into
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: the insanity of that and the all consuming nature of
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: it and And yes, we have to hate them and
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: they have to hate us or else life is meaningless.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: So it's amazing. I think Michigan lucked into an adult
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: in charge after not having one with Sharon Moore. And
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I think that they're in a position to transition really,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: really well under Kyle Whittingham. But he could also be...
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: 10-1 going into Thanksgiving weekend. If he comes out 12-2,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: everybody's going to say he needs to go.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Same about the guy on the other side, right?
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, 100%.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Ryan Day won.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: That national championship, but he did beat Michigan, and I
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: don't think that's a fair trade.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no. Ryan Day winning the national championship was
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: the biggest thing, obviously. But beating Michigan last year was
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: almost as big because if they had lost to them again,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: you know, that just creates such a level of toxicity.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: That was one of the great escapes from a burning
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: building of all time was them running through the playoff
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: in 2024 after that just horrific loss to Michigan at home.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: And that certainly that bought him the ability to keep
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: being the coach there. But You know, he's won. Beating
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Michigan last year was big, but you've got to keep
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: beating Michigan if you're Ohio State.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about the chaos of the bill and
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: everything else as if this isn't a world that just
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: moves on chaos all the time. Like, let me look
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: it up so I get the numbers right in this moment.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Ryan Day's record at Ohio State is 82-12. And it's
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: a little dicey.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: 82 and 12. And what have you done for me lately?
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: You didn't win the big 10 title last year and
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: you were upset in the playoff. You know, those things linger.
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