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#2 - DLR or Sammy? · The Chris and Mike Show

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Hey, this is, this is the Chris and Mike show.
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Mike's the one holding the tobacco vape.
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I'm the one holding nothing. I don't know what to do with my
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hands. Like Ricky Bobby.
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What do I do with my hands? What do I do with my hands?
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Welcome to episode #2. So this is this is #2 season
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one. Number two, I kind of stopped
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leaning out of the frame. Season Season One Episode 2.
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Of the Chris and Mike show, what are we going to talk about
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today, Mike, I think we're going to talk about who was better in.
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A spot like that David Lee Roth or Sammy?
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Who's. Better Chris or Mike.
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Oh there you go Danny the the damny that's like going to be
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the the then one is one of the one of the top ten all time
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discussions I think in the music world of who's better Sammy or
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Dave right my opinion is and I and and you have to my opinion
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is that they were both great. Right, because it depends on
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what you're looking at and and why, right?
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Because the first song I ever heard the the my introduction to
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Van Halen. Ironically enough, because of
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our age, MTV played Unchained and I was like, holy shit.
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These guys are freaking awesome. Just you know that that that
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video, right, was the old school video was just the stage.
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There's no nonsense to it. It's just them performing live
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speakers stacked front of the stage to the ceiling.
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Eddie. Right, right.
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Eddie had that trademark red and white whatever Frankenstein
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pants that he was wearing. You know, shirtless.
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Yeah, shirtless, cigarette dangling.
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Just, you know. And David Lee Roth being David
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Lee Roth, like the front man that he is, because he is a
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front man. Motherfucker Can't Sing.
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We're shit. He's out of key all the time.
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Forgets the lyrics. I've seen him three Times Now.
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But he was a front man like he he epitomized the front man for
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rock'n'roll in the 70s and what would eventually be the 80s, you
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know and and and for his time he was an amazing front man.
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He was also an amazing singer for his time.
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He got bad. He he how do I say this he did
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not age gracefully. His voice did not age.
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You got? Worse with age it did.
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Because Scott and I saw him. I don't know, probably 9596.
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He was out on his A Little Just Ain't Enough tour, and I believe
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we saw him at America West Arena when it was still that they were
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well, he was amazing. His solo band was good.
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He sounded good. I agree with you.
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Something happened when he got to about 60 years old where he
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just couldn't hit any of those notes anymore.
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Yeah, I saw him. I never saw Van Halen Original
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wind up. I saw Dave when he did the Eat
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Him and Smile tour right after the break up right and he played
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at the Madhouse on McDowell and. The he came.
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I don't remember if it was the beginning of the show or
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somewhere during the show, but at one point in time he comes
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from what would be center field of a baseball diamond and surfed
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down to home plate while singing and holding onto this rails on
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this surfboard. And just.
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And then he ended up on the stage, like entertainment value
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wise, fantastic. And then I saw him again when he
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came back with Van Halen and he sounded like shit.
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I forgot lyrics. You know it was obviously drunk
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walking around stage you know gyrating and and pelvic
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thrusting and it just to me it wasn't like dude you don't have
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18/19/20 year old girls in the crowd anymore.
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You have you know 3540 year old women are just kind of looking
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like what are you doing Dave And then I saw him with Sammy where
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they were doing their tour and they flip-flopped.
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One would headline and one would open, you know, different nights
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and I did not see. Again, the the he didn't.
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OK, so, so the antics, the antics of him for that, for that
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show was just this kind of stupid, like he was like pigeon.
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He pigeonholed himself from this juvenile, you know, I'm 2223
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years old, however old he was when Van Halen was at their
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peak. With him, mind you, because I
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think they peaked even higher with Sammy, they were definitely
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a better selling band. With Sammy, they actually the
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Sammy era actually outsold the Dave era.
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Oh yeah, absolutely tenfold. I mean they became the biggest
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band in the world with Sammy, whereas with with Dave, they
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they, they they owned California, they owned the West
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Coast, they had their, you know, United States dominance.
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But I think with Sammy. Just, you know, and then I've
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heard stuff before, I don't know if you, if you know this or if
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you've heard this, that one of the producers wanted Sammy in
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the band way back when because he thought he'd be a better fit
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than David was. I don't know how much truth
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there is to that, but I've never heard that I I could imagine
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that that could put. I could imagine that could
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potentially be true. The only reason that I would say
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there's a possibility that it wasn't is for the for the same
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reason that many lead singers ended up getting in a band.
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The reason that Dave ended up in Van Halen is he was the one that
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owned the PA system get. A trade system.
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Back in the day, if you were a singer and you had your own PA
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system, you were almost guaranteed a band, correct?
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Yeah. Oh.
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Yeah. Oh yeah, That's because that's
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the one thing. PA system when I joined Nemesis.
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Yeah, you actually did. Remember that you had that P?
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Yeah, you had that PV and those. Nice.
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Tower speakers. OK, That's right.
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OK, I forgot. That was one of the casualties
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of me moving back to Illinois was those speakers and that PA
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or the mixer was still in Kevin's backroom.
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Yeah, yeah. He ended up getting it.
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He ended up giving it back to me.
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Oh, you ended up getting it back years ago.
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Oh. Nice.
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I I kind of, you know, like like poked on like, dude, you know, I
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know you had a conflict with Mike, but my gear's my gear.
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Come on. So yeah, he.
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I forget where I'm at. But he ended up.
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I ended up getting it back well, and hindsight, I should have had
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to grab my stuff too. You know, I probably would have
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tried if, if, if, if. I think he probably knew what
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was yours and what was mine because he kind of alluded to
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that, you know, I don't know, it was a while ago, you know, a
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while ago. Back to the topic though.
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So Sammy and Dave, you never saw that tour, you never saw that
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tour. So the night, the night that we
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saw him, is that cricket pavilion, which is where you and
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I saw the the work at the time, one of the most entertaining.
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Shows ever from John Mellencamp, everyone.
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Kenny Smith's snare broke, his snare drum broke and he went up
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and as he went down they had to replace it.
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I do. That was amazing.
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Remember that? I do.
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Yeah, that was amazing. And what was amazing, as we were
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both watching that moment at the same time, because I know that's
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Whoa, did you see that, dude? I would love to know how many
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people caught that moment in time because I guarantee it was
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very few. Only musicians, I think, caught
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that that had. You know but yeah so so they
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played at Cricket, which is I don't know what it's called now.
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They played at cricket pavilion. Sammy was on 1st and he was in
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his prime post Van Halen. I think he left, just left Van
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Halen. I don't remember.
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But it was it was he was like Cabo Abo Cantina was was you
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know he was everywhere. It was like the lean, fit red
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rocker, you know. Just fun.
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His show was just fun. There was nothing negative about
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it. He just came out and he had his
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little he had these little dancers, he had the bands, he
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had his bar. He had people on side stage, you
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know, pimped out his. His tequila he made in Cabo Wabo
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and just start to finish was a great show.
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Like, it was entertaining, it was energetic.
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The crowd was engaged. They were singing back.
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He did the Van Halen stuff. He did his solo stuff.
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The Van Halen stuff obviously was more revered than the solo
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stuff because solo stuff, 3 lock box, can't drive 55.
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And that's all I really know from him.
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I know he did. What was that candy song from
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Montrose? He did.
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Oh, rock candy, you know. What I'm talking about rock
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candy. Yeah.
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So that's really. And then was one of his original
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ones. Yeah.
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Yeah. And so, like his like straight
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up showmanship, right. And then lights go out.
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They do the stage switch for Dave.
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We're all just kind of, you know, crowd half an hour or so
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now since Sammy laughed and and all of a sudden the light goes
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on and outcomes Dave and the band like there was no.
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Showmanship to it. There was no entertainment value
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to it. He came out in this spandex blue
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suit that was, you know kind of like AU cut so you could see the
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chest and the ABS left nothing to the imagination how how tight
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fitting the thing was, had what looked like like wrestling shoes
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on and just came out and started singing and then he.
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He had the bottle of Jack. He played with the whole show
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and that was his little phallic symbol.
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As he's walking around he's drinking it.
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It just, it was, it was weird, man.
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There was there was nothing in my eyes anyway that it was just
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a guy up there singing songs with no flash.
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No. No fun.
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No. No pyrotechnics, nothing behind
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the scene. He was doing a lot of that, that
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martial arts stuff with the big stick that he used to twirl
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around, you know, all up and down as he's singing songs and
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shit. He kind of half assed a lot of
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the Van Halen songs that, you know, made him what he was.
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It just, it wasn't. I left early.
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We didn't stay for the encore. It was that kind of like, what
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the fuck is this? Sammy and I, from a showmanship
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standpoint, from an entertainment standpoint, from,
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from a vocal standpoint, just annihilate him.
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It wasn't even, it wasn't even a competition.
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It was just like get off the stage.
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And I've heard Sammy. I've, I've watched him and Dave
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different times with the interviews and stuff over the
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years. And Sammy said he was just the
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biggest asshole in the world on that tour.
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Like they they wouldn't talk to each other.
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Sammy wasn't allowed to go knock on his dressing room door.
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He wasn't allowed to. Engaging conversation.
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You know, before or after the shows, they took separate buses,
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you know? And Dave's never really
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elaborated too much on anything, except he just thinks that
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Sammy's jealous of him, you know?
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And Dave could do no wrong. There was Joe Rogan.
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Joe Rogan had them both on. As we talked about Joe Rogan
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earlier, I saw Dave and he. Was talking to them both.
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I don't know if it was the same, OK, yeah.
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So yeah, it wasn't the same show.
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Shaved, but it was really close. Like, all?
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Yeah, Right. OK.
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Had he had Sammy on our show and Dave on our show separately.
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I've never seen Sammy on there. I've seen Dave on there though.
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OK, yeah, that was one of the reels I just saw was was him
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talking to Sammy and it was, it was kind of a back and forth
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thing there was there was a Sammy question, Sammy respond
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and then the reel went to Dave and something.
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Relevant to what Sammy was saying.
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So somebody obviously met, meshed it together.
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Yeah, I would say that's something that somebody.
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Put together, Dave was his typical.
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Yeah, well was Dave his typical. ADHD on the show, you know, had
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to overtop laughing. Everything was stupid funny,
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even though it oh 100% yeah, that.
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That's just who he is. Yeah.
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Well, yeah, I mean, you know, the whole Brown M and Ms. thing
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was just a gimmick, right? It wasn't real.
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Well, it was real, but it wasn't for the reason that people
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thought it was, for it was to make sure that the promoters
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were actually reading the contract.
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Oh, no shit. So many, yeah, many contracts,
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especially in the music business, because you're doing
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one day after day after day after day.
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The people that run the venue are also doing that, and they
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get real complacent at just boilerplate contracts.
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So they snuck things into their contract to make sure that
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people were actually reading them.
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Yeah. That's cool.
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That's and most. Of everything I've heard about
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Dave from marketing standpoint, yeah.
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Oh yeah. Dave was an excellent marketing
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he. He knew, he knew how to promote
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it himself. He knew how to promote the band.
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Obviously, back in the day he was the guy with the PA system,
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so he had his shit together. I mean, there's a reason they
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were successful. He was one of the first real
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actual. Frontman rock'n'roll ever saw?
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Oh, I agree. With that, Van Halen took the
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arena concert to a whole new experience.
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They. Did.
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And then they took stadiums to a whole new experience because
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they did. They did stadium tours too,
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right when they were first in Van Halen in the 70s.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Sammy.
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Sammy took me to a whole another level just because of the
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harmonies and the range and the melodies.
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And that's the one thing that I don't think Michael Anthony got
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enough credit for. Was his backing vocals.
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Helped to find, helped to find the sound of Van Halen even with
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Oh no question was David or Sammy singing?
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I like Anthony's background. Vocals were.
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That's kind of awkward. They were amazing.
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That dude had a voice like they were Spot.
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On he had a voice like there was no tomorrow, man.
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I mean the, like you said, the harmony parts that he hit at the
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range that he hit, for a guy his size, you would never expect
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that voice was going to come out of that man.
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Not. At all.
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And that was, that was kind of why Van Halen was Van Halen,
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right. They had, it was the full
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package. I mean Eddie was Eddie and Eddie
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will always be Eddie And I I I don't know if you follow
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Wolfgang or not. I saw Wolfgang open for Alter
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Bridge earlier this year at the Marquee Theatre and I never
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really got into him prior to that show.
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I heard the song that that he when he debuted, you know about
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his dad. Never, really.
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It just didn't, It didn't appeal to me.
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I wasn't like, it didn't pull me in right.
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But seeing him live like he's fantastic.
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He's he's got, he's got the the stage presence he has the the
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power to control the crowd. He's everything you want from a
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lead singer. And then you have the fact that
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he can. Like he shreds on the guitar
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like you can. You can.
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When we were watching him, he did that little finger tapping.
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You know, which Eddie wasn't the first one to do the finger
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tapping. I'm sure you know that it was
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some blue sky. Eddie was not the first person
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to do it, he just perfected it. Nope.
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Right. That's what I was going to say.
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Yep. He just took it to a whole new
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level. Like, look what I can do.
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And you can't do it as good as I can.
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So Wolfgang did a little bit of that, but not too much, which I
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was kind of. I was kind of glad with that
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because. I don't think Wolfgang wants to
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get pigeonholed as any Van Halen son, you know?
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No, I actually follow him on Facebook and he no, you're
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right, 100%, because I thought, yeah, I follow him on Facebook,
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Instagram. He's totally not wanting to be.
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He understands he's in his father's shadow, but he's doing
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everything he can to get out of that.
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And he's very interactive with his fans.
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Like if people talk shit to him, he talks shit right back to him.
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He he's super interactive with the people that are on social
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media, so you got to be careful fucking with him.
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And I admire him for that. That's cool.
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Yeah, no, he was on on stage that night.
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He was really engaged and he talked to the crowd.
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He he praised the crowd for knowing some of his songs and
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singing back to it several times.
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You said we're the, you know, which all bands do it?
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Oh, you're the best crowd on tour to date.
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No, we never did that. But then Alter Bridge was saying
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the same, right, right, right. No, we didn't because we just
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had fun. But Alter Bridge was saying that
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as well. And then when the review came
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out, which I don't know how, the review stumbled in my lap, but
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it did. They they reviewed both Wolfgang
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and him as just Alter Bridge and Wolfgang.
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Their performances just showered them with praise like it was.
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It was very indicative of the show if you read the review.
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Then you were at the show. You're like, Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep,
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Yep. Just down the line there was a
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band that opened the the first band was pistols, pistols and
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pistoleros. I think really good band
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actually. I think they, I think they
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opened for Alter Bridge. Last time I saw them in, I think
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it was 17 on the last hero tour. They were really good too.
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It was a whole all three bands did a really good job.
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Wolfgang really impressed me to to the point that I bought his
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next. I downloaded his next album, his
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his most recent one, and I've listened to it probably 30-40
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times. It doesn't.
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It doesn't get old. He's he's got, Oh yeah, I got a
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really good song. I got all his stuff on my
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Spotify playlist. I really make it too, man.
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I don't have Spotify. You better get Spotify because
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that's where. We're published this time.
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I think it's Spotify. Yeah, well, see, now I have to.
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Now I have to. So now Van Helen's in the Hall
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of Fame, right? Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
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correct. Right, yes.
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And are they in there with Dave or with Sammy or both?
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Because I I don't know that answer with both of them.
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They're in there with both of them.
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Yeah. When you're a band, you can
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induct just certain members. You can induct all the members
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and since they were successful with both Dave and Sammy on
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massive levels, yeah, they're they're all in there together as
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Van Halen I. Thought so.
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But you know, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is such kind of bullshit
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right now with, you know, it's ridiculous.
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Rock'n'roll. Not hip hop.
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Not right. Not.
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Not rap. Not hip hop.
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Fucking Dolly Parton was like, what?
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I don't want to go in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
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I'm not a rock singer. I'm Dolly Fucking Parton.
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I agree with you on this subject because it does say Rock and
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Roll Hall of Fame on the outside of the building, right?
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It doesn't say Music Hall of Fame.
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If they want to have a Music Hall of Fame, that's fine.
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Then you can put country, rap, Rock Eastern, what?
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You can put it all in there, but it literally says Rock and Roll
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Hall of Fame on the outside of the building.
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If you don't play rock'n'roll, you shouldn't be able to be
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qualified to be in there, right? Right.
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Right, exactly. Exactly.
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And they have a country Music Hall of Fame and I do they have
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a hip hop Hall of Fame or they just or a Rap Hall of Fame?
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Yeah. So there you go.
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So like Bono said, rock'n'roll stops the traffic man and
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anything else goes the wayside, you know?
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It's funny you mention that, because I literally just saw,
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you know, Where The Streets Have No Name video on MTV last night.
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When they stopped the traffic in LA and they arrested them and
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all that shit, that was an awesome video.
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I had to crank that thing up, man.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When I saw a little glimpse of
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of some of their stuff when they're because they're doing
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The Sphere right now in Vegas and when they play, their
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streets have no name, that inside of that Sphere turned
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into that desert background, you know, with the red.
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Oh, that's awesome. Just on their yeah, on their
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flat screen. I looked at the going going
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there. It was fucking insane.
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Tickets. Like, yeah, I'm not spending
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1200 bucks a ticket just to watch you two in a giant Dome.
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Not going to happen. Is that what all the tickets
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cost or is that the ticket price?
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No, no, I think it's the average ticket price because I was like
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I'm going to be taking you know when I saw that.
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Yeah, well it's you know it's you 2 and that's the opening of
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the skill. I'm trying to find it.
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I, I, I subscribe to SiriusXM, right.
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And so you too has their own channel obviously and they had
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this little thing they do called desire.
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So you listeners can chime in and and you know, you could be
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be the guest DJ for half an hour, whatever long it takes.
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You pick five songs and and you're going on the show.
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So just for the hell of it, I'm like, oh, I'm going to do this,
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you know, just to see if it if it actually would amount to
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anything and should you not as I pull it up.
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That was my release. Yeah.
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So my 5 songs I I picked for the show which I have to record
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everything explain it is running the standstill.
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I love that song Bull the Blue Sky, Exit bad and all I want is
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you. Now thinking about it I should
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have been I should have added removed one of those and did
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who's going to ride you around the horses?
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But that was more because of the video.
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If you remember that video, you know because in all.
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Videos, You're lip synching. You're not really playing,
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right? Right.
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But there's a one part, man, that was just to me is the
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epitome of Bono's personality. He was singing the lyric, you
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know, blip singing the lyric and he fucked up and he just stops
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like fuck and walks off the screen.
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She can't see him and he comes and he comes back.
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He's just like, you know, it was, it was, it was fantastic,
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man. It was the coolest thing because
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he really was so pissed off that he missed.
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He missed the lyric. I'm pulling up YouTube right
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now. It's just like, you know, you
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two who's, Yeah, the black and white one.
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Is it the black and white one? Does it start off at?
23:43
I guess it does start off at the screen.
23:48
I'm going to, I'm going to let it play.
23:50
I'm going to tell you what, what spot it is so you can go, oh, oh
23:55
shit. Do you hear that?
23:58
That was my Did you lose me? Get my, my, that music.
24:02
I was crazy. No, I think that was my shirt
24:05
brushing against the microphone. Can you hear this?
24:09
Oh no, I can't hear your music. Wow.
24:14
Wow. I can hear it.
24:15
I well, hold on. I can actually hear the song in
24:18
my headphones. Can you do you hear it?
24:21
I do not. Do you hear the song?
24:26
No, I don't hear it, OK, But I couldn't hear you when it was
24:32
playing. That's a trip, man.
24:34
So we're going to have to figure that one out and watch it.
24:39
Yeah, that's pretty cool. But yeah, yeah, that's that's
24:44
that was that'd be 5.7 million views on this.
24:47
It's 11 years. It's the fifth single from the
24:49
album Auctun Baby. Awesome album.
24:54
Awesome. They're really good.
24:55
They're really good live. I I don't know how good they are
24:58
not. It's the age of them and stuff,
25:00
but back in the day. My guess is they still sound
25:04
portion of Arizona was filmed. My guess is they still sound
25:07
amazing. I they do.
25:12
I I I would think so, because they're not.
25:14
Their music is not that complicated and he used his
25:18
voice effectively correct. I will tell you though, if
25:22
you've heard him do acoustic, it's not the same like he needs.
25:29
He needs the band behind him. He needs all that going on
25:33
behind him for him to sound the way he sounds because some.
25:38
Of the They're a They're a strange band, man.
25:41
And well, I shouldn't. I shouldn't say this because
25:43
almost every band is this way. The bass player and the drummer
25:47
could survive anywhere, but the uniqueness of the band comes
25:51
from the guitar player and the singer for the most part.
25:56
There's exceptions to the rule, but you know your layers.
26:03
Your different unique sounds, they all come from effects on
26:07
The Voice or effects on the guitar, right?
26:09
You don't have really any effects on drums or bass.
26:12
Once again, there's exceptions to the rule, but for the most
26:15
part, when you lay a song down, the foundation of the song is
26:19
the bass and the drums 1st. And then you layer all the just
26:22
like baking a cake, man, you got to bake the cake 1st and then
26:25
you put the frosting and the sprinkles and all that shit on
26:27
the top, right? But that's how you build a song.
26:30
So the Edge and Bono. Getting back to your point, The
26:34
Edge and Bono, yeah, they rely on all those effects to make
26:38
that sound. The edges sound is completely
26:43
based on delay, so if he doesn't have a delay on his guitar, then
26:48
you ruin what makes the Edge the edge, right.
26:51
His sound is that delay, and he's perfected it better than
26:56
anyone. You're right.
26:57
Certain bands can't pull off acoustic.
26:58
I've I've there's stuff online. No he doesn't he doesn't sound
27:04
anything like he sounds with the band doing acoustic stuff.
27:08
It's just like holy shit who is this And then wow that's Bono.
27:12
Like dude go back to the amps and the and the Marshall stacks
27:17
get let's go get the music popping behind you again because
27:20
he doesn't have that. He doesn't have that voice you
27:24
know he just he just doesn't. It needs.
27:26
You're like shit, man. This ain't working for me.
27:28
It's filling the space behind him, right?
27:32
No, no. And I and I Bono, I mean, you
27:34
know that Bono, Morrison and and and Vetter were my three.
27:38
Like, Oh my, the lead singer said.
27:40
I just like epitomized this is, if I could take a piece of all
27:44
of them and throw it into my personality, I'm winning.
27:48
Well, I'll, I'll say that you know Bono is one of those guys
27:52
that you. I know people don't like him,
27:58
but if you can't admit that he was the voice of a generation,
28:02
then you're just kidding yourself.
28:04
Because you too was the biggest band on the planet for a long
28:06
time, right? Oh yeah.
28:08
Oh yeah, yeah, Just. And then and then going back to
28:11
we were just started discussing Van Halen was the biggest band
28:14
in America for a while there too.
28:16
So you had. Absolutely.
28:17
You had extreme polar opposite type of music, you know, I mean,
28:22
the grants are both based on rock'n'roll, but you know,
28:25
different elements for sure. But I'm still watching who's
28:29
going to ride you on horses waiting for that specific scene.
28:32
Wait, there it is, right? What?
28:33
What does that say? 4 minutes and 33 seconds into
28:36
the song. 4/30 4 minutes 33 seconds he's all pissed.
28:41
Off 433, HE misses the lyric man.
28:45
Yeah, it's awesome. It's it's, you know, it's great.
28:51
It's a great moment you get. It's a great moment in
28:54
rock'n'roll. So getting back to the point
28:59
that you just made though, what does that say about the power of
29:03
music when a band as Hard Rock as Van Halen can command the
29:09
entire planet, and then ten years later a band as pop rock
29:15
as you too can command the entire planet?
29:18
It doesn't matter what kind of music it is, It just matters
29:21
that it's good, right? It has to move you right and and
29:27
the biggest thing that right and the biggest similarities between
29:30
the two bands, if we're not talking anything but from the
29:33
musical aspect, neither one of them were afraid to go in their
29:38
own direction with the next release of their albums, right?
29:42
Like they didn't. They were pigeonholed and that
29:45
that. I think from a fan standpoint
29:49
that speaks volumes because you know they're they're not putting
29:52
themselves in a box. They're they're music.
29:56
They have to grow. They have to change.
29:57
They have to evolve. Especially you too, because you
30:00
2 embraced all that electronica stuff and all the like you said
30:03
the distortion and the voice vocal effects and and the
30:07
different elements of music, music.
30:09
Like when remember when Van Halen came out with Jump and
30:11
everybody's like what the fuck is that he doing playing
30:13
keyboard? I was just getting ready to say,
30:15
so let's. Yeah, so let's.
30:18
So let's expound, let's expand upon that subject just a little
30:22
bit. You got, you have two schools of
30:25
thought, right? You have the fans that as soon
30:29
as a band changes, they get pissed off, right, Because they
30:33
feel like they own that band from the beginning.
30:35
There's nothing more. So there's nothing more exciting
30:39
when you're a new fan? To a band that nobody knows
30:43
about, right? All of a sudden you're like, hey
30:46
man, you got to check these guys out.
30:47
You get a whole bunch of people into them.
30:49
Now, their next album, they gained some kind of popularity.
30:53
And for some reason, man, you got these people who are just
30:56
like, they feel like they own you as a band, right?
31:00
And you change a little bit and they're not cool with it.
31:02
Metallica was one of those bands.
31:05
There's so many people that after Injustice for All, nobody
31:09
would listen to Metallica. There's two schools of thought.
31:12
You either love them as a whole or you jumped off the bandwagon
31:17
after Injustice For All. Van Halen was the same way, man.
31:22
They got so much shit for coming out with Jump and it ended up
31:27
being the biggest song that they ever wrote.
31:29
So I would say that Eddie knew what he was doing, right.
31:32
Did they ever have a top? Did did.
31:35
Did they ever have a top? A number one song.
31:38
Jump was a number one song, if I remember right.
31:42
What's the number one? OK, OK.
31:44
You're on the Google right there.
31:46
Check it out, man. But yeah, it's a Google machine.
31:51
Van Halen's number one song tracks like Panama Drop, Dead
31:56
Legs and Hot for Teacher retain the guitar focused sound that
31:59
Van Halen was known for, but it would be jump.
32:01
They gave the band the very first and only #1 single by the
32:05
end of the 1984 tour. That's what I thought.
32:08
I was pretty sure that was their only number one hit.
32:10
Yeah. Good job, Mike.
32:15
I know a couple things about music.
32:18
It is my favorite subject, you know?
32:19
I know you do. I know you do.
32:22
We've had many, many conversations about music in our
32:25
time, so now we're having them with all of our friends on the
32:28
Internet, right? Speaking of which, one of our
32:32
new fans has a message for you about farming, So I'm going to
32:37
tell you, let me pull it up here.
32:39
My grandpa's got to put his glasses on farming.
32:41
This was specifically for you farming.
32:44
This is from Rhonda. OK Rhonda.
32:48
Rhonda show she is a first time listener, first time caller.
32:54
She is a first time listener, first time caller.
32:57
OK, so messenger, she said. To tell you she just finished
33:04
listening to the podcast. I really enjoyed it.
33:07
Tell your buddy that to grow good Peppers, add cow manure to
33:10
the soil, OK? And her last comment was
33:15
personally because it it jacks with me.
33:18
Maybe she meant to say potatoes. I think that maybe she meant to
33:24
say potatoes. Potatoes were great, but Nikki
33:26
likes them. Yeah.
33:29
Or did you talk about Peppers and I forgot about it?
33:31
On the last podcast I talked about both.
33:35
I talked about potatoes because we went back to the motherland
33:38
for potatoes. You know, being Irish, German,
33:42
you know, we had a potato famine in Ireland.
33:44
All right, I I remember now. Potatoes, it's.
33:46
Coming back to me, yeah. And then we did talk about the
33:49
Peppers, but the Peppers didn't go very well.
33:52
So if there's lots of cows in the neighborhood, I could just
33:55
walk up to somebody's backyard and take a bucket and say, come
33:59
on cow shit, shit, cow shit, and then I'll take the shit with me.
34:06
I passed the message along and it was funny because her last
34:11
question was what the hell is a sitar?
34:15
So I explained that one as well. Right on.
34:19
I always direct everybody to the beginning of wherever I may
34:22
roam, right? Yes.
34:25
Yeah, that's it. Because I didn't know that.
34:26
And you told me that. I'm like, no shit.
34:28
Yeah, that's a sitar. So here's here.
34:32
Here's a fun little thing for you.
34:35
Hold on, hold on. We talked to I think I, yeah, I
34:37
was on here running to stand. OK, I'm holding.
34:41
I bet that's it. Oh, no, go ahead.
34:43
Sorry, my bad. Well, I was trying to see if I I
34:48
would love to be able to. I think the Rattle and Hum
34:53
version of running the Standstill is the one that I
34:55
fell in love with. That album was just fucking
35:00
great, man. I don't know how to start to
35:02
finish, just fucking unbelief. It's funny how we start talking
35:06
about U2 or or Van Halen and now we're talking about U2, you
35:10
know? If I do like talking about
35:13
music, I sing. It just goes all over the place.
35:17
But you know how I am too. I mean, my whole thing with
35:19
music is I from a from a vocal singer standpoint.
35:23
I always, I it's always what the lyrics the lyrics have to draw
35:28
me in. If I if I like the lyrics, then
35:30
it's just game over. Like when I when I first threw
35:34
Pearl Jam I didn't really dig them and then I got I got, which
35:37
is you know shocking. But then I got somebody had
35:42
their their cassette tape and I opened it up and I started
35:45
reading the lyrics and I'm like holy shit, these are badass
35:48
lyrics. And then it was just all over
35:49
you know all over. So yeah, I'm all, I'm all about
35:53
lyrics and. I apologize for that little
35:58
technical difficulty there. My Mama was calling me Buddy at
36:02
all because I was rambling. Oh, hi, Mom.
36:06
Yeah, she just got back from vacation, so welcome back.
36:13
Where'd she go? They went up to the great state
36:16
of Wisconsin. Where was vacation?
36:20
They were vacationing up around the Wisconsin Dells.
36:22
Yes. So they got some cheese, some
36:25
queso. My guess is they probably got
36:28
some cheese. You know, it'd be kind of
36:30
shocking if you're with the Wisconsin and then get Didn't
36:34
get cheese. Say I just got an e-mail from
36:37
what is this VIP Nation tour update?
36:41
I have no idea who these first three bands are.
36:43
Doja Cat Gloria Trevi and two friends, OK?
36:48
I'm going to say I've heard the next three dropped her.
36:51
Majid Jordan now, Sam. Sam Hunt.
36:54
I've heard of Travis. Sam Hunt, I think he's is Travis
36:59
Scott Blink one. Is he is Yeah.
37:02
And is Travis Scott Blink 182? Yes, Sir, He absolutely is.
37:08
OK, OK, good. There you go.
37:10
So I didn't make a fool of myself on our Chris and Mike
37:13
show episode #2 Season #1. You know what's fucked up?
37:17
I'm just going to tell you. So foreigners still playing,
37:20
right? Foreigners still out there
37:21
touring. And they're calling it the Fair
37:22
World Tour, but there's no original member in Foreigner.
37:24
How the fuck do you have a tour? And you call your Fair War tour,
37:29
but all the original members of the band no longer are playing
37:32
in said band. So it's just the I don't.
37:34
Know because the entire music has had nothing to do with
37:38
Foreigner back. Hold on it.
37:40
Is Mick still there? That's fucked up, Mike.
37:44
I think Mick still might be. Are you sure Mix?
37:46
Is he gone now? From what I understood, man,
37:49
it's it's Fleetwood Mac is not the original lineup at all.
37:52
Fleetwood. Oh, hold on, you said Foreigner
37:55
musicians. You said foreigner.
37:58
Yeah, yeah. Now you're excited.
38:01
I just typed in Fleetwood Mac and I said Foreigner, what the
38:03
fuck is up with my head, man? That was crazy.
38:08
And I'm not even high. Nor am I.
38:12
No, I don't want to. Never list who's touring?
38:16
OK, let's see. So here's here's the members
38:18
turning with former foreigner's current touring incarnation.
38:23
Features from guitarist Bruce Watson, keyboardist Michael
38:26
Bloomstein, singer Kelly Hanson, bassist Jeff Pilsen, guitarist
38:31
Louis Maldonado and drummer Chris Frazier.
38:34
OK, there are. That tells me there are no
38:37
original members because Mick was the last one there.
38:40
So Foreigner, original lineup. We'll come, we'll compare here.
38:44
There is original members Lou Graham, which obviously Lou
38:47
Graham. Oh yeah, Lou Graham, Mick Jones,
38:52
Ian McDonald, Ed Gagliardo and Dennis Elliott.
38:56
And keyboardist Al Greenwood. Yeah.
38:58
And Mick was the last one there, and he was still there the last
39:02
time that I saw them. But that was about 2810.
39:08
Somewhere around there. Yeah.
39:12
Yeah. So I think the only one there,
39:15
it looks like Ed Gagliardi. Is that what I said?
39:18
Yeah. So the only original member
39:19
still in that band is the bass player, Ed, which we know bass
39:23
players can, you know, go anywhere.
39:25
That's it. So I'm sorry, I'm not going to
39:28
see foreigners to watch Ed do this.
39:30
I'd rather see Lou Graham do his thing.
39:32
But. Actually, based on what you just
39:35
said for their active members. Jeff Pilsen is the bass player.
39:40
He was the bass player in Docken.
39:43
That was Docken's original bass player.
39:44
Oh, So what is that doing in the band?
39:49
Because Ed's listed as the band as.
39:51
AI wonder if he's playing. I wonder if he's playing
39:53
keyboard. Let's see.
39:59
Bruce. Michael, Colin Basses.
40:02
No, I'm sorry, I was wrong. He was that listed.
40:05
So it's not so there is no original member left.
40:08
No, there are no original members based on that line up
40:11
you gave me. Yeah, yeah, You know, which is
40:17
just who's the last concert you saw or what's the last concert
40:22
you saw? Oh shit, man.
40:24
Let me think. Actually, the last concert I saw
40:29
would have been. 2000, The Death Magnetic Tour.
40:33
The opening night. Yeah, it was the opening night
40:38
of the Death Magnetic Tour. What's that arena down the road
40:42
from where I lived with Kevin? They played there where the
40:46
Coyotes play. Oh, HeLa River, HeLa River
40:49
Arena. I don't know if.
40:50
That's that's where we saw him at.
40:52
OK, Wow. Interesting.
40:57
Yeah, and that fucking pussy. We were in the front row, so
41:02
there was a there was a just, it was like the heavens parted,
41:08
man. And there was a big opening
41:10
right to the gate, right in front of James.
41:13
And we went up there and we're probably there for, I don't
41:17
know, 15 minutes. And he's like, I don't want to
41:22
be up front anymore, man. Let's move to the back.
41:25
I was like, Jesus Christ, man, you're in the front row of a
41:27
fucking Metallica show for the second time in my life.
41:32
I went back there with him. Yeah, you should have said bye.
41:36
I should have. I would have been like bye.
41:37
Didn't see you after the show. Yeah the only the only shows
41:42
I've ever been front row like you know kissing the stage is is
41:46
both Ultra Bridge concerts. I I Counting Crows because Nikki
41:49
loves Counting Crows. I I I think that's the last one
41:52
I saw. I like Counting Crows.
41:55
This is, this is, this is October, August, I think it was.
42:00
They came Washington Federal Theater, used to be Dodge
42:04
Theater. You know we were second row.
42:08
And of course the guy in front of me was was, you know, 65,
42:13
right. So I put Nikki on the aisle.
42:14
I had seats one and two second row.
42:16
So I put her on the aisle so she could make sure she could see
42:19
because it's never ending. When we go somewhere, she can't
42:21
see. Not that she's short.
42:22
She's like 5, I'm 6 feet, she's 5-6, I think 5453, something
42:31
like that. But yeah, as soon as the dude
42:35
stood up on my fox, so my entire night was was bassy dude right
42:39
in front of me, shoulders, everything.
42:41
So I had to either go this way or go that way.
42:43
I don't want to see anything. That's always so much fun.
42:47
So it was. It was.
42:48
And the reason why? Well, and the reason why for
42:51
that is, is Counting Crows don't have a pit.
42:53
There's not a mosh pit. You don't mosh at Counting
42:55
Crows. You're sitting down and standing
42:57
up. So they had seats set up,
43:00
whereas Alter Bridge you're, you know, there's no chairs.
43:02
So legit. The first Alter Bridge concert,
43:05
I was on Tremonti's side and this last one I was we were dead
43:08
center. So you know Miles was right
43:10
there, you know, which is cool. I had this T-shirt that said
43:13
believe in yourself. And at the end of the show, when
43:17
they're doing all their, you know, tossing up guitar picks
43:19
and drumsticks and shit, you know, we're just standing, you
43:24
know, and like straight up just looks at my shirt and then
43:28
follows up to my eyes and he's like, which I thought was.
43:31
Cool. That's awesome, man.
43:33
I met him. I met them all in.
43:35
I met them all in 17. I think I told you that before.
43:37
Super nice guys. Just super nice guys, like, you
43:41
know, not, not wrapped around what they do at all.
43:45
Just grounded, humble. And I think part of that's
43:48
because I think Creed took the three of them up and over the
43:53
edge. And then when the staff left,
43:56
Miles came in and ironically enough, I learned that Brian
44:01
Marshall, the bass player, he was out of, out of Creed an
44:05
ultra bridge for a while due to his alcoholism, due to raging
44:08
Alcoholics. So I'm like, that's cool.
44:10
I did not know that, You know, recovery and stuff.
44:14
Not either. He's got a whole thing on it
44:16
somewhere on on YouTube. I was watching.
44:18
I did something on the TV and it was Brian Marshall, for love of
44:23
the music, I think. Oh.
44:25
If I look for that, I think that's what it was called.
44:29
I'm. I'm going to look at it right
44:31
now and just see if that was what it is.
44:33
Yeah. For For the Love of music.
44:34
Brian Marshall. It was released two years ago.
44:38
Where can folks watch that if they would like to?
44:40
Brian Marshall discusses his story in his own words.
44:43
Yeah absolutely. It's it's for the love of music.
44:45
Brian Marshall is on YouTube. It's it was released by Alter
44:50
Bridge two years ago on their channel.
44:53
Had 66,000 views for what that you know, whatever.
44:58
But he from the discovery of his tone to his Rd. of sobriety and
45:03
life on the road. So anytime I come across an
45:07
alcoholic being, you know, approaching 19 years in February
45:10
of 24, I like, I like to to learn about their journey
45:17
because everybody's journey is different, which, you know, one
45:20
of these episodes will talk about our journeys.
45:22
Oh absolutely. But it was it was it was
45:24
interesting that I because I didn't know that I had no idea
45:27
he he was he's a recovering alcoholic, which is cool.
45:30
You know I I need to actually watch it.
45:33
I had, I had stumbled on it for something and I I didn't watch
45:38
it. But there's a whole, there's a
45:39
whole episode on it. It's a whole show on it.
45:41
It's not if anyone say it's like an hour.
45:44
But as I scroll through this now, it's not I'm not finding,
45:49
I'm just finding snippets of it. But there's actually a whole.
45:54
There's a whole episode, a whole story behind it.
45:57
I'll definitely have to check that out.
45:58
Man, that sounds awesome. Yeah, there's a whole lot of
46:03
musicians named Brian Marshall, too.
46:06
Brian Marshall? Rock Rubin, Mark Rubin.
46:08
You know, the guy that helped Bruno Mars with Uptown Funk live
46:12
at the 4th annual Festival of Texas Fiddling?
46:16
I doubt that song, by the way. I doubt that's the actual.
46:21
Oh, it's a great song, man. It's a.
46:24
Great. That song doesn't make you want
46:26
to move. There's something wrong with
46:27
you, right? Actually, that was one of the
46:30
candy ass teeny boppers. It's right.
46:34
And that's that's where it's going with this.
46:35
That's one of those. He was a candy ass teeny, you
46:38
know, teeny bop or whatever I used to call scouters, you know,
46:44
music she'd listen to. The only one that I ever felt
46:46
would would have sustainability was Bruno Mars.
46:50
Just when I learned that he played all the instruments on
46:54
his on his album, right. He's like a he's like a a small
46:56
Mexican version of Prince. Exactly, probably the same time,
47:00
just. Him and Prince, he oozes talent,
47:02
you know? Oh, big time him and yeah, I
47:05
mean him and Prince Stallone, man.
47:06
I mean the Prince. Just fuck.
47:08
Not a lot of people realized that Prince was so musically
47:11
talented that he played every single instrument on every album
47:15
he ever did. That's why I made that post the
47:17
other day. 27 different instruments he could play.
47:20
Yeah. And he played them all on his
47:24
first album or second album. I know.
47:26
I liked it. Oh yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
47:29
yeah, yeah. Oh, Bruno.
47:32
Bruno. Oh, I didn't know this Bruno.
47:34
Mars and Morse day and the time did a did a Prince tribute.
47:38
That's fuck. Got to watch that shit at the
47:40
15th annual Grammy Awards. And he was wearing Prince's
47:44
suit, man. He's wearing Prince's purple
47:47
suit. Right.
47:48
That's totally awesome. He's got the guitar, yeah.
47:51
Right. I never saw that either.
47:53
I'll have to look that up, man. Good for him.
47:54
I hope he's doesn't. Yeah. 59th Annual 2017 Grammys.
48:01
There's a tribute for Prince. Oh, stop the commercial shit.
48:07
His chick's talking about it. Show the fucking video, man.
48:10
There we go. Yeah, it's badass, dude.
48:17
They were. They sounded like they were
48:18
doing let's go crazy. But the chick wouldn't shut up
48:20
talking. That's commenting on it.
48:22
So trying to actually see if they played the video.
48:26
Yeah, Bernard does. Let's go crazy.
48:28
Oh man, I want it. I'll definitely have to look
48:30
that up. That'll be awesome.
48:33
That song just fucking ripped Bruno Mars.
48:36
Let's see. This is one thing we'll have to
48:39
learn that you can learn as an editing standpoint of this.
48:42
You can drop clips, You can drop what we refer to somehow and
48:47
make it clickable underneath the the our podcast as we drop them.
48:52
But yeah, holy shit, 12 million views from three years ago.
48:57
Just Google Bruno Mars. Let's get crazy.
48:59
It's the second one that pops up.
49:02
Yeah. The first one that pops up is,
49:03
is 5.8 million views. And it was six years ago, the
49:07
official video. But the one that did three years
49:10
ago with 12 million looks like it's a it's coming from from the
49:14
crowd where the one, oh, it's a rehearsal.
49:19
The first one pops up the rehearsal for it, which is I'd
49:21
be kind of like watch your little back behind the scenes,
49:25
you know, behind the scenes stuff.
49:27
Oh yeah, I loved it like that. He's no, he did a Little Richard
49:30
tribute too. Yeah, Little Richard tribute,
49:33
yeah. He says he steals the show in
49:35
2017. But Princess, let's go crazy.
49:38
Well, I was with you, man. I was way more He's badass,
49:42
dude. I was way more into that dude as
49:45
a pop singer than anybody else that was out when he first came
49:48
out. I agree with you.
49:49
There was just something about him that he just had that it
49:53
factor, man. He commanded the stage for you
49:56
know, you hit the nail on the head for being a little dude.
49:58
He should get lost in the crowd, but he's so larger than his
50:04
persona, you know, he just or he's larger than his stature.
50:08
His persona is larger than his stature.
50:10
You know, he just seems like he's 60 foot tall on the stage
50:14
and then you see him and he's like 5 foot 4.
50:16
You know, some people just have that ability.
50:20
You had that ability to be able to walk on the stage and command
50:23
it, you know? You have to be able to wrap the
50:27
people around your finger and if you can't do that you're going
50:30
to lose people quick. But I just.
50:33
I just yeah, my whole thing was just you got to get yeah Bruno
50:40
or Prince was 5256 with heels but I'm bump and and Bruno Mars
50:48
is 5/5. So so Bruno Mars is is 3 inches
50:51
taller than Prince but with the heels.
50:54
Oh holy shit. Lenny Kravitz is only 5-9 dude.
50:58
Michael Jackson. I'm 59.
51:00
I'm 59. I seem bigger with the guitar.
51:03
Yeah, I seem bigger with the guitar.
51:06
Makes me look taller. Gotcha.
51:10
So Prince had once. Prince had a kid.
51:14
Their name? The kid.
51:15
They named the kid Boy Gregory. That's weird.
51:19
But he died within a week of being born.
51:21
That sucks. That's right up there with the
51:25
moon unit. Frank Zappa's daughter.
51:29
Yeah, yeah. And Dwezel.
51:32
And Dwezel. Yeah, Dwezel.
51:35
Amazing. Guitar player, by the way.
51:37
Oh yeah, just for shits and giggles.
51:39
Now I'm putting in Rockstar Heights.
51:43
I want to see if it drops your random things that help.
51:45
OK, 3232 Short Musicians who rock the world.
51:50
Rodger Daltrey's 57, Prince 52. John Mellencamp 5-7.
51:55
And that's another one that you wouldn't think that he's 57
51:58
because they. I no idea.
52:01
Because he just he just the way he commands the state.
52:04
Holy shit. Bono 55 and a half.
52:09
You got to give him a half. Wow, dude, there's something to
52:14
be said. Check this out.
52:15
OK? I'm going to write off these
52:16
names, OK? Roger Daltrey.
52:18
Prince. John Mellencamp.
52:19
Bob Marley. Bono, Angus Young, Malcolm
52:23
Young, Paul Simon Claus Mining from the Scorpions.
52:26
The greatest band in America, even though they're from
52:28
Germany. Danny First back in the day.
52:31
Lou Reed, Steve Stevens, which is Billy Idol's guitar.
52:36
Player. He's a guitar player for Billy
52:37
Idol. Thom Yorke.
52:38
Bruce Dickinson, Right. Bruce Dickinson.
52:42
How tall is Bruce? Willie Nelson?
52:44
Billy Joe Armstrong. Bob Dylan.
52:46
I'm getting there. Beck Hanson.
52:48
Eddie Vedder. Iggy Pop.
52:50
Axel Rose. This is enlightening.
52:52
Cee Lo Green, Bow Wow, Bruno Mars, Ja Rule, Joe Man, Lil
52:56
Wayne, O'meric. None of them.
52:58
Not a single one of them is taller than 5 foot 9 inches.
53:02
Bruce Dickinson is 5/6. See, now he's another one that I
53:09
didn't Eddie Vedder's foot. Bruce is the one I asked about
53:14
because I've never seen him standing next to anyone that
53:17
made him look short. The only reason I knew about
53:19
Bono and whoever else I mentioned?
53:21
Oh, Mellencamp. Because I've seen them standing
53:23
next to people who are tall, Yeah.
53:26
Bruce is one of those people. He he looks larger than life on
53:30
stage, man. That dude is amazing as a front
53:32
man, absolutely amazing. And he can fly.
53:36
That explains a lot. And Bruce can fly a commercial
53:38
airline. Yeah, he can fly at 747.
53:41
Oh, yeah. Oh yeah.
53:43
And and he was bullied as a child, like, like, like
53:47
painfully bullied because his his mouth was so big.
53:49
Like he just, he got ridiculed like crazy, Especially when he
53:53
was at school, which in in England he went to one of those,
53:56
you know, boring schools. And like legit, he got bullied
53:59
so intensely that he actually took up fencing as a way to
54:03
like, you know, raise up arms against his oppressors.
54:09
You're right, Master Fencer too. I forgot about that.
54:11
Really. Totally.
54:14
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
54:16
But yeah, straight up bullied, like like evilly.
54:20
So I don't know what the word is, you know what I mean?
54:22
Just like tormented to no end. So picture of Bruno Mars
54:29
standing next to Wow Keenan from Keenan and Kel.
54:33
So Keenan must be short too because Bruno's we said was 55
54:37
and and Keenan's only like a nose up higher than him so he
54:42
must be like 5-6, seven. Amazing how short these people.
54:47
That's why he never made it. Dude, I'm too tall.
54:49
I'm too tall to be a singer in the world of singers.
54:52
What are you, 6 plus feet tall? It just doesn't work.
54:54
I can't. I can't get on those.
54:56
Yeah, I can't get on those light trusses.
54:58
Well, that's why you were hanging from them.
55:00
It should have been smaller. I should, right?
55:04
Right. Oh, now here's wow.
55:06
Here's surprising cat filled 6-1 large.
55:10
Yeah, he's tall, that little man syndrome.
55:13
Kirk Ham, Kirk Hammett's 5-7 and Cliff Cliff was the tallest of
55:17
the bunch at Six Two. I knew he was tall.
55:21
You can tell that looking at him on stage.
55:24
Yeah, I did too. Yeah, Hatfield.
55:26
And, yeah, Hatfield and Cliff Burton always towered over Lars
55:30
and Kirk. Yeah.
55:34
Oh, yeah. Well, yeah.
55:35
Lars is tiny dude. He could be a Midget.
55:37
Like, we say that Midget. Or is it vertically challenged?
55:42
Yeah, whatever. Interesting.
55:45
Whatever. Interesting man.
55:50
Marilyn Manson. What do you think he is?
55:52
Because he looks like he's really tall, 61.
55:55
He's the same height as as head fill.
55:57
Yeah, I would have guessed with heels.
55:59
With heels. Well then, he's 65.
56:02
Yeah, it doesn't say what he is with heels.
56:05
Aussie's 510, I believe that. I believe that Trent Reznor's
56:09
only 5-7. It's funny when you type in
56:11
meatloaf because I'm going to see how tall meatloaf was.
56:13
First two things I get is meatloaf recipes.
56:18
I'm going to guess meatloaf was about 6/4.
56:19
Meatloaf was 510. Wow, he's 510, my son just
56:24
chimed in by Marine son Hoorah. Thank him for his service.
56:29
He's coming home 43 days. That'll be fun.
56:31
I'll have to get him on a on a on a podcast.
56:34
That'll be awesome, man. Absolutely.
56:36
I took him to the radio show. Yeah, I yeah, I took him in the
56:40
sky both to the radio show when I was recording the show.
56:45
That was fun. All right.
56:47
Well, I got to pee again, so I think that's a good time to wrap
56:50
it up. All right, brother.
56:53
So what we learned today, we learned that we learned that
56:55
Sammy and Dave are both good, good at what they do based on
57:01
what we're talking about. Yes, I enjoy them equally as
57:04
much each because without Dave, with right, because without
57:09
Dave, Van Halen wouldn't have been Van Halen, but without
57:11
Sammy Van Halen wouldn't have been Van Halen, right.
57:15
Because you know, United States Van Halen was dominant, Sammy
57:18
came in. It was boom worldwide.
57:21
And then we learned in the lovely world of music that a
57:24
decade later you get the new biggest rock band, the world,
57:29
which is U2, which came from Ireland.
57:31
So you have and and where were where were Eddie and Alex from?
57:34
They were from somewhere else, right?
57:36
Eddie and Alex were from Denmark, correct?
57:38
They weren't. They weren't there.
57:41
It was there. It was.
57:41
I knew they were from somewhere else.
57:43
Correct. Yeah.
57:44
So you know, we covered the V and EU of rock'n'roll TUV
57:49
backwards. TUV.
57:50
Yes. You know, maybe next time we
57:52
talk about Tesla. They're a good band.
57:54
I like Tesla, I like his. I like the mechanical
57:56
restaurants. Modern Day Cowboy was my one of
57:58
my all time favourites from them.
58:00
We actually opened up for three of the members of Tesla.
58:04
They were called the Sofa Kings at the time.
58:06
Right on. Yeah, I would say at some point
58:09
we will cover the biggest band in the world, which would be
58:12
Metallica at the time. That'll have to be a whole
58:15
episode unto itself. Yes, we can.
58:18
Yeah. Metallica is currently the
58:19
biggest band in the world, by the way.
58:21
Well, that's old, right? Oh yeah, yeah, next to Taylor
58:26
Swift. Kidding.
58:28
Kidding. Well Taylor just did become a
58:32
billionaire with whatever album she just released that's I I'll
58:36
give we can we can we'll close with this as a teaser because we
58:39
talked about Mataka that's the one thing that that because I
58:43
hated Lars for what he did with the whole Napster shit right.
58:46
Like that was like, motherfucker, you got yeah,
58:48
we're God and you're gonna. Yeah.
58:49
We're gonna talk about why he did that, though.
58:51
Just need, right? Well, I'm saying I, I, I kind
58:56
of, I'll leave it there because I know where you're going to go
59:00
because we're probably going to go the same place.
59:01
But because of what he did and enabled people like Taylor Swift
59:04
to become billionaires because they own the rights to their
59:06
music from day one. Especially since like when when
59:10
Hollow council when we started our path with Platinum Plus
59:15
Records under Universal is that weird little time where
59:17
everything was shifting from labels to self to self promoting
59:22
You didn't need distribution anymore.
59:24
You didn't because the Apple Music thing was was coming down
59:28
the pipe and we got stuck in that box like there was nothing
59:34
you know labels didn't know what to do and and the download side
59:38
was just starting. So it's like why do we do, how
59:40
do we do this how do we make this profitable for everybody in
59:43
the labels obviously like fuck you this is how we make our
59:46
money. You have to you can't have
59:48
control. So that was interesting to to be
59:53
on that in in that at that time at the level that even though we
59:58
really had a level but it was it was interesting I still.
1:00:02
And you and I and you and I were in two different bands at that
1:00:05
time because I remember you trying to get us hooked up with
1:00:09
that same label that you were on.
1:00:10
So that'll be a that'll definitely be another subject
1:00:13
for another day for sure. Yeah, because that was a very
1:00:18
interesting time in my life too. What was that?
1:00:22
Yeah. Was that Angel and the Batman?
1:00:25
Is that the Band, The Angel and the Batman?
1:00:27
That was the band I was in at that time, Yes.
1:00:29
Correct. Yeah.
1:00:32
All right. Cool.
1:00:33
All right. All right.
1:00:34
Well. Hey, it's Chris Denham, AKA the
1:00:39
Iron Doc. That's Mike Michaels.
1:00:42
This is Mike Michaels. I would like to give a shout out
1:00:44
to my good friend Sunshine, who without this wouldn't be
1:00:47
possible because between you and her, you guys were instrumental
1:00:52
in me being motivated. Because I haven't.
1:00:55
You know, sometimes I need a kick in the ass.
1:00:56
So thank you, sunshine. I appreciate it.
1:00:58
Have a Have a good night. She's the sunshine of your life.
1:01:01
Name the band. Name the band?
1:01:03
No. She's completely Sunshine,
1:01:04
Sunshine, Sunshine, Cream What? Is that band?
1:01:09
I don't remember now. Was it cream, sunshine of your
1:01:12
love? Yeah.
1:01:14
There. You go but right.
1:01:19
But but he doesn't love you, Sunshine.
1:01:21
You're just a friend. Yeah, she's completely hey.
1:01:24
Until episode 3. See ya later.
1:01:28
Brother, I forgot how to shut it off.
1:01:29
Can I just close my window? No, you just.
1:01:31
Yeah, you don't have. You don't have to do anything.
1:01:34
I already stopped recording. All right, brother.
1:01:36
Have a good night, man. Thank you.