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#0115_ STORY INSPIRE: Iran & Israel 🇮🇷🇮🇱 — War, Escalation & A Dangerous Moment · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Tim Dillon Show.
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  Speaker 2: We have two great reporters here that I'm really excited
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  Speaker 2: to have on. We have Ryan Grimm, who's returning from
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  Speaker 2: Dropsite News, and Jeremy Scahill, who's the author of Dirty Wars,
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  Speaker 2: also a great documentary. Jeremy, first to you, you've looked
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  Speaker 2: at a lot of different conflicts that the United States
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  Speaker 2: has been involved in.
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  Speaker 1: What makes this unique as a... challenge.
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  Speaker 2: Forget the morality of being there. We're going to get
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  Speaker 2: to that in a moment. But do you think we're
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  Speaker 2: winning this war? And if not, why not? And why
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  Speaker 2: didn't George W.
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  Speaker 1: Bush do this?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, why has no other president done this? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is a seemingly a unique set of challenges. I
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  Speaker 2: think generals told Trump that before we went in, yet
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  Speaker 2: he went in anyway. In your estimation, why is this
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  Speaker 2: so incredibly difficult?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, first of all, Tim, you mentioned the
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  Speaker 3: Bush era, and I think one of the factors here
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  Speaker 3: that is kind of extraordinary is that Dick Cheney and
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  Speaker 3: the Bush team, they also were sort of lawless gangsters
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  Speaker 3: when it came to respect for the Constitution and basic
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  Speaker 3: civil liberties and congressional procedures regarding war. But they look
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  Speaker 3: like sort of constitutional law scholars compared to what the
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  Speaker 3: Trump administration is doing on issues of war powers, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: And one factor here that I think really has to
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  Speaker 3: be emphasized is that the leadership of the Democratic Party,
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  Speaker 3: they completely sat on their hands In the whole buildup
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  Speaker 3: to this, Trump was telegraphing that it was going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't have any kind of a public debate on it.
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  Speaker 3: The Gang of Eight gets briefed by Marco Rubio. All
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  Speaker 3: of these guys know that this thing is imminent, and
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  Speaker 3: they delay a vote on the War Powers Act. Now,
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  Speaker 3: it wouldn't have passed anyway. The Democrats, enough of them
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  Speaker 3: are in full support of this that it wouldn't have
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  Speaker 3: actually made a huge difference to him. But the point
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  Speaker 3: of it is that that's where an actual debate happens,
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  Speaker 3: where members of Congress have to go on the record.
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  Speaker 3: And so the Democrats sort of cynically exploited this because
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  Speaker 3: a lot of them actually want regime change in Iran
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  Speaker 3: and support the agenda, but they also hope that Trump
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  Speaker 3: screws it up and it becomes bad for him electorally.
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  Speaker 3: But on a tactical level, the US is approaching, this
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  Speaker 3: answers your question, the US administration is approaching this like
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be Venezuela, that they're going to be
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  Speaker 3: able to just lop off the leadership in Iran, cut
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  Speaker 3: a deal with the number, whatever they're on now, number
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  Speaker 3: 10 ranking guy, and then Trump's going to own the
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  Speaker 3: oil and go in there. Or they're talking about it
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  Speaker 3: sort of like Libya, where you take out Muammar Gaddafi,
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  Speaker 3: then you have ground forces that are working with you.
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  Speaker 3: They've completely misread this. Iran has been building horizontal institutions
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  Speaker 3: since 1979. It is not just a dictatorship of one
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  Speaker 3: and you kill the supreme leader and all of a
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  Speaker 3: sudden the state collapses. This is a multi-decade project with
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  Speaker 3: cross-sections happening. running security, the economy. There's also a religious
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  Speaker 3: dedication on the part of some of their largest security
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  Speaker 3: forces that is not wed to one individual. And so
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  Speaker 3: I think what we're seeing is that Trump's people are
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  Speaker 3: talking about this like a sporting event. Certainly the U.S.
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  Speaker 3: has overwhelming firepower. You know, Pete Hegseth, who's sort of
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  Speaker 3: drinking buddy as defense secretary, is, you know, is really braggadocious,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and arrogant in the way he's talking about it.
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  Speaker 3: The Iranians are, we were told that they were basically
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  Speaker 3: wiped out. Trump saying 60%, 64%. Last night, after Pete
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  Speaker 3: Hegseth held a press conference saying the Iranian attacks are abating,
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  Speaker 3: the Iranians launched some of their most ferocious attacks at U.S.
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  Speaker 3: targets throughout the Middle East. They did heavy bombing of Israel.
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  Speaker 3: What's clear is that the Iranians actually have succeeded in
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  Speaker 3: targeting a number of high-end US radar systems that are
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  Speaker 3: their early detection. And so you're starting to see more
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  Speaker 3: Iranian hits on bases. I think that the US death
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  Speaker 3: toll quite probably could rise. But the idea that you're
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  Speaker 3: just going to overthrow this government is a massive miscalculation.
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  Speaker 3: And if they want to do that, they're going to
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  Speaker 3: have to send in you know, 100,000 plus American troops,
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  Speaker 3: and then it's going to be an utter bloodbath. So
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  Speaker 3: what does that mean? It means at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day, the only winner here is sort of the
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  Speaker 3: agenda of Israel. Because I don't think Netanyahu so much
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  Speaker 3: cares who comes into power in Iran, as much as
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  Speaker 3: he wants that state shattered. He wants to convert it
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  Speaker 3: into a failed state. He wants the US to bomb
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  Speaker 3: their conventional military. He wants to ensure that there is
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  Speaker 3: no nation state with a real military capable of serving
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  Speaker 3: as a deterrent against Israel's agenda.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan. What do you think? Donald Trump is there.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of what Jeremy said is sort of had
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  Speaker 2: to be known to generals. The military is telling Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump this. They're telling him it's going to be difficult.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that was even leaking out. They were saying
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  Speaker 2: things like, this is not a cakewalk. Why does he
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  Speaker 2: pull the trigger and decide to go in? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: from your reporting, why do they take out the spiritual
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  Speaker 2: leader of a Muslim country during Ramadan and expect that
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  Speaker 2: then the entire, you know, regime is going to unravel
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  Speaker 2: and then they're going to win popular support?
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  Speaker 1: What pushes him into this in the 11th hour?
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  Speaker 4: I think Trump has.
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  Speaker 5: been told so many times that you can't do a
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  Speaker 5: certain thing. And then he has done that thing. And
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  Speaker 5: then it has gone fantastically for him. And, and I
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  Speaker 5: think the latest one to Jeremy's point was Venezuela. I
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  Speaker 5: was like, you can't, you can't just go into the country.
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  Speaker 5: and grab the president and his wife and take them
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  Speaker 5: back out and not lose a, you know, a single
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  Speaker 5: American service member. And then just say that you run
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  Speaker 5: the country that you.
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  Speaker 4: Can't do that. It's not how, it's not, not how
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  Speaker 4: things are done yet. He did that.
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  Speaker 5: And it, from, from his perspective, it worked out, you know,
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  Speaker 5: phenomenally for him. And he has said, he has said like,
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  Speaker 5: I'm on a roll. Like, let's go, let's, let's hit Cuba.
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  Speaker 5: Like I'm feeling good. Like he's, he's, it's 3am in
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  Speaker 5: Vegas and like, he's feeling great. And he's also been
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  Speaker 5: under enormous amounts of pressure from Israel. And then you
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  Speaker 5: have the Secretary of State saying, well, we were definitely
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  Speaker 5: going to do it at some point, no question about it.
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  Speaker 5: But the reason we did it now is because we
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  Speaker 5: heard that Israel was going to do it. We knew
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  Speaker 5: we would be attacked in response if Israel did that.
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  Speaker 5: So we just decided we're going to go along with
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  Speaker 5: Israel and start this war now. Now, Not considering the
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  Speaker 5: other option of saying, hey, those are our weapons you're using.
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  Speaker 5: How about you don't do that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems to me that this whole thing seems
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  Speaker 2: backwards in the sense that we're arming Israel and we're
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  Speaker 2: providing them the money to do this. So how did
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  Speaker 2: we get to a point, and maybe Jeremy could jump in,
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  Speaker 2: how did we get to the point where the president
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  Speaker 2: of Israel is sitting in the Oval Office, and this
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  Speaker 2: is according to the Secretary of State, it's not a
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy theory, telling the president of the United States, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to do this with your money and weapons, whether
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  Speaker 2: you like it or not. And suggesting now this is
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  Speaker 2: the secretary of state didn't say this, but there has
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  Speaker 2: been reporting and the credibility of it. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's relatively credible that they had discussed potentially using
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  Speaker 2: unconventional or nuclear weapons at a certain point or a
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  Speaker 2: certain stage in the conflict. How did we get to
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  Speaker 2: this point where the president of Israel is telling the
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  Speaker 2: president of the United States, we're doing this with your
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  Speaker 2: money anyway, and you better get on board to minimize
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  Speaker 2: the damage because if you don't get on board, perhaps
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  Speaker 2: we'll have to use nuclear weapons.
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  Speaker 3: Sources we also talked to that had some degree of
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  Speaker 3: access to the decision-making process leading up to this war
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  Speaker 3: were saying that since the Venezuela operation, Tim, Trump started
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  Speaker 3: to walk around opining, including in intelligence briefings, that he
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  Speaker 3: wants to go down in history as the president that
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  Speaker 3: forever changed Iran, that sort of avenged the 1979 revolution
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  Speaker 3: and the taking of the embassy. I think that he
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  Speaker 3: really got fluffed up by a lot of people that
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  Speaker 3: you're going to experience greatness here and that we're going
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  Speaker 3: to run the deck. Trump won when he was first
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  Speaker 3: in the White House after that 2016 election. Remember the
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  Speaker 3: disdain he had for John Bolton and the neocons and
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  Speaker 3: the deliberations that went into that one strike that Trump
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  Speaker 3: authorized at the Baghdad airport where they killed General Qasem Soleimani.
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  Speaker 3: you know, the head of the IRGC, the most elite
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  Speaker 3: force in Iran. But Trump came out of like Bolton's
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  Speaker 3: era as his national security advisor, denouncing him and saying,
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  Speaker 3: if it was up to John Bolton, we'd be in
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  Speaker 3: World War III. Well, you fast forward to Trump 2.0
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  Speaker 3: and what I would call the sort of neocon Netanyahu
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  Speaker 3: wing of the MAGA movement. which they're the most dangerous
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  Speaker 3: figures in the American political scene, that they kind of
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  Speaker 3: took over this entire portfolio. And part of it is
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  Speaker 3: that Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, is up to his neck
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  Speaker 3: in golf money. He's very invested in Israel on an
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  Speaker 3: ideological and religious level. You have Miriam Adelson, who Trump
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  Speaker 3: basically has said is calling shots and he called her
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  Speaker 3: the most influential and powerful Israeli in the world. you know,
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  Speaker 3: when he went to announce that he was ending the
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  Speaker 3: Gaza war, when he spoke at the Knesset. And you
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  Speaker 3: have these people, they completely captured Trump on this level.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think Trump is an ideological guy. I think
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  Speaker 3: that he got fluffed up. He has a lot of
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  Speaker 3: business going on. He's simultaneously the president and he's looking
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  Speaker 3: out for his business, his family business, his cronies business.
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  Speaker 3: And I think these guys just convinced him you're going
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  Speaker 3: to do something great that it's like, you know, building
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  Speaker 3: the Coliseum on a foreign policy level. And the reality
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  Speaker 3: is they are engaged in action right now. that is
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  Speaker 3: going to make the world less safe for a long
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  Speaker 3: time to come. It's totally, no matter what your politics are,
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  Speaker 3: this is totally contrary to American interests. to the basic
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  Speaker 3: safety of Americans in the world, to our perception as
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  Speaker 3: a nation state. He twice used the false veneer of
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  Speaker 3: negotiating with another country to then launch military strikes. They
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  Speaker 3: did it in June of last year. They said, oh,
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  Speaker 3: we have another negotiation coming up. Days later, they do
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  Speaker 3: 12 days of massive bombing of Iran. They do the
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  Speaker 3: same thing this time. It's a huge scandal, Tim, because
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  Speaker 3: what the Iranians put on the table went far beyond
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  Speaker 3: what Obama was able to get in 2015 from them.
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  Speaker 3: It was a massive, massive series of concessions from the
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  Speaker 3: Iranians on that nuclear issue. The Iranians were talking about
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  Speaker 3: also having negotiations on conventional weapons, including talking about range
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  Speaker 3: of ballistic missiles. That's what I was told by Iranian officials,
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  Speaker 3: that they actually were willing to discuss that if the
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  Speaker 3: nuclear arrangement was reached. So Trump could have called it
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  Speaker 3: a huge win. He could have said, I did what
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  Speaker 3: Obama couldn't do. I did what Biden couldn't do. And
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  Speaker 3: he could have made an actual deal that every expert
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  Speaker 3: on nuclear weapons and Iran would have said that is
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  Speaker 3: an extraordinary achievement to get the Iranians to that point.
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  Speaker 3: It's just proof that none of this was actually about
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  Speaker 3: actual security. It wasn't about nuclear weapons. And in terms
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  Speaker 3: of the generals, I'm sure that Trump was sitting in
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  Speaker 3: briefings where these guys were laying out for him how
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  Speaker 3: strong some of Iran's missile capabilities are and the potential
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  Speaker 3: damage to American troops. Now, there's six confirmed American military
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  Speaker 3: deaths thus far.
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  Speaker 1: Do you believe that number?
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  Speaker 3: We've gotten some indications that the.
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  Speaker 1: Number of injuries.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think the number of casualties is being accurately reported?
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  Speaker 2: And I'll just send that to both of you as
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  Speaker 2: a question.
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  Speaker 3: It's a tough question. Having spent a lot of time
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  Speaker 3: around military guys and military communities. It's not that difficult
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  Speaker 3: to cover up some deaths of special operations forces. And
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  Speaker 3: you can later say, well, there was a training exercise
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  Speaker 3: and the families of special operations forces go through briefings
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  Speaker 3: where they understand that if their loved one gets killed
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  Speaker 3: on a covert operation, that there's going to be a
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  Speaker 3: degree of public concealment of the conditions under which they died.
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  Speaker 3: It's much harder to do when you're talking about rank
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  Speaker 3: and file soldiers because military families talk and they know
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  Speaker 3: when someone's family member is missing. or is dead. So
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  Speaker 3: I tend to think that there isn't a large-scale cover-up
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  Speaker 3: of deaths. There may be some cover-ups. There may be
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  Speaker 3: some covert actions that took place and more people died.
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  Speaker 3: What I think is almost certainly being covered up, because
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  Speaker 3: we have witnesses telling us this, is I think a
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  Speaker 3: lot more American troops have been injured, some of them seriously,
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  Speaker 3: than the Pentagon has been willing to acknowledge at this point.
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  Speaker 3: I think the Iranians have been far more successful at
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  Speaker 3: hitting American targets than anyone is willing to talk about.
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  Speaker 3: I think also they've been far more successful at hitting
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  Speaker 3: infrastructure inside of Israel. The Israelis have imposed sweeping censorship
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  Speaker 3: on what targets have been hit. We have the Qatari
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  Speaker 3: oil minister coming out today and basically saying, if this
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  Speaker 3: thing goes on for weeks, it's going to crash the
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  Speaker 3: entire global economy, that prices are going to skyrocket, that
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  Speaker 3: oil and gas prices are going to skyrocket. It's already happening.
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  Speaker 3: So what Trump is doing right now is lighting a
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  Speaker 3: massive fire. And I think if it does go on,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to see the US death toll tick up,
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  Speaker 3: and we're going to start to see actual american interests
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  Speaker 3: um set on fire by this policy.
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  Speaker 2: Ryan when you have all these gulf states i think
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  Speaker 2: that go on sorry no go ahead i was going
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  Speaker 2: to say of all these gulf states we have our
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  Speaker 2: embassies there um iran has targeted these embassies incredibly successfully
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  Speaker 2: we have diplomats and us citizens stranded in that part
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  Speaker 2: of the world and cannot get out Dubai, which is
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  Speaker 2: either the busiest or one of the busiest international airports,
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  Speaker 2: you know, has been closed. Um, what does this do
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  Speaker 2: to our relationship to those Gulf States? Do they rebuild
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  Speaker 2: those embassies? We haven't seemingly protected our interests in those
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  Speaker 2: countries and, And those countries have been made vulnerable by this,
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  Speaker 2: and they're going to lose a lot of money with tourism.
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  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't those countries just say, we want to deal
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  Speaker 2: with China or someone else? We don't want to deal
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  Speaker 2: with the United States when they're going to unilaterally launch
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  Speaker 2: a war with Israel that destabilizes the entire region.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they are expressing a lot of outrage about this.
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  Speaker 5: One of the most powerful and influential businessmen in the UAE,
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  Speaker 5: who was a former president who was former business partner
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  Speaker 5: of Trump himself, put out this long statement saying, you know, Mr. President,
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  Speaker 5: Your Excellency, who gave you the right to do this?
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  Speaker 5: Who authorized you to set this region on fire? They're
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  Speaker 5: also frustrated by the fact that Israel gets most of
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: the treatment when it comes to missile defense, despite the
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  Speaker 5: fact that, you know, we mostly pay for those, whereas
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  Speaker 5: the Gulf countries that pay the United States, buy the weapons.
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  Speaker 4: Are getting the short end of the stick.
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  Speaker 5: The way you're starting to see this play out, though,
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  Speaker 5: is going to be probably very detrimental for Trump and
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  Speaker 5: a lot of his friends, because what he doesn't seem
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: to have thought through is that the US right now
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: is basically, the economy is propped up by an AI
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: bubble slash Ponzi scheme, which is mostly supported by financing
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: from the Gulf. You're already seeing, and I say this
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  Speaker 5: with regret because I know that Barry Weiss is a
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: friend of the show and a previous guest host here.
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  Speaker 1: The closest.
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  Speaker 5: Her attempt to take over CNN and Warner Brothers and
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  Speaker 5: the rest of these is backed by billions of dollars
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  Speaker 5: from the Gulf. They are now saying that they might
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: not have the money or, frankly, the interest in going
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  Speaker 5: forward with that a takeover.
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  Speaker 4: So this entire project that they had.
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  Speaker 1: You're talking about the Ellison deal.
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  Speaker 2: The Ellison family that owns TikTok, that owns CNN, that
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: is paramount, CBS, are now buying Warner Brothers, which the
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Trump administration kind of got involved in that deal because
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Netflix was going to buy them. Now the Ellison family,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: and Larry Ellison is no secret, is I think the
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  Speaker 2: largest donor to the IDF. He's incredibly ideologically driven, not
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: just profit driven.
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  Speaker 1: Who the hell wants to own CBS news?
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's not exactly, that's not the future of news,
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  Speaker 2: CBS news, but he is ideologically driven. And you're saying
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  Speaker 2: the fight, some of the financing for this deal to
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: buy Warner brothers, which would give, you know, also him
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  Speaker 2: control of CNN is from the Gulf, like sovereign wealth
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  Speaker 2: funds and investment funds in the Gulf.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And they're not interested anymore.
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  Speaker 4: A decisive portion of the financing. Yeah.
• 17:11
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  Speaker 2: See the advisory agreement Is it in any part in
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Israel's calculation, and this is for both of you guys,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: that this war would not only hopefully topple the leadership
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: in Iran, but also serve to either weaken or outright
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: sever the connection between a country like Qatar and America?
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: or the Gulf states, does Israel see that as a positive?
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: I know that, you know, a lot of, you know,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: people that promote ultra Zionist ideas in this country are
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: constantly accusing Qatar of running the country. The free press
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: wrote an article about all the money that Qatar has
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: put into things like higher education. I'm sure Qatar puts
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: money into things, but the idea that, Qatar is now
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: incredibly skeptical of things the United States says and may
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: not be able to trust us. Is that something that
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Israel's excited about? Is that a good thing? And is
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: that part of the calculation here?
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, one of.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Go ahead, Jeremy.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Just, Ryan, to mention one concrete thing, because we seldom
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: hear kind of the Iranian... government perspective these days. You know,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: it's really just kind of the Trump show. And because
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: there's been this multi-decade campaign about Iran, it's very hard
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: to actually, on just a basic factual level, say, well,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: what is their actual position? What Iran has been saying, Tim,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: about some of the retaliatory strikes that it's done over
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: the past week is that they didn't do them. They're saying,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: for instance, that they have not attacked Saudi Aramco's oil refinery.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: They're saying that they did not strike the British military
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: base in Cyprus. And in fact, the British government is
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: saying they don't believe that the drone that hit that
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: base and destroyed a base where American spy planes come
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: from that it came from Iran. They're saying it may
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: have come from the direction of Lebanon, which is an
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: interesting thing. The Iranians are saying that some of the
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: hotels and other buildings they hit in Bahrain or in
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: the United Arab Emirates were housing Israeli spies or American personnel.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: But why am I bringing this up? I'm bringing it
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: up because what the Iranians are saying, and take it
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: at face value, it should be fact-checked, we should look
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: into it. What they're saying is that they believe Israel
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: has engaged in some false flag attacks in some of
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: these Arab countries or potentially in Azerbaijan. in an attempt
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: to try to draw those nations into the war as
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: actual combatants in it. And Netanyahu is sort of gleefully
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: talking about this. You know, Trump's people are saying, oh,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: and even the Arabs are now gonna start fighting against
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: the Iranians. Certainly Netanyahu loves to be the merchant of
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: chaos when it comes to disrupting US relationships with other countries.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Certainly he wants to see Qatar weakened. He wants to
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: see the economies, the economic power of the United Arab
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Emirates and Qatar, the closeness of these countries to US
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: institutions and particularly to Trump thrown into turmoil. He knows
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: that the populations in those countries don't like what's going
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: on right now. Yes, the attacks, especially when they hit
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: hotels or they hit infrastructure, it's enraging the populations of
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: the Arab Gulf. But on a much broader level, this
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: is a war in service of Israel. And the populations
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: of those countries The anger is simmering. They understand what's happening.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: It's destroying their entire project was based on this idea, Tim,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: that the United States puts military bases in all these emirates,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: in all these kingdoms, and they have an American security guarantee.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: I don't think that in their wildest dreams, they thought
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: that the United States was going to allow Iran to
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: pummel them the way that they have while pouring billions
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: of dollars into the quote unquote defense of Israel. So
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: on one strategic level, and this cuts to your question, Tim,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I do think that Netanyahu views opportunity in this. He
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: wants to be the merchant of chaos to try to
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: utterly destroy that relationship between the US and these other
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: countries because he views it as a threat. Trump is unpredictable.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Trump is merging family business with the business of government.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: This causes some consternation for Netanyahu in his broader sort
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: of project in Israel.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Ryan, do you think that Iran hit the Saudi Aramco facility?
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: They say they didn't, and they say it, and their
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: argument is this, and Jeremy interviewed the Deputy Foreign Minister
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: on Wednesday and asked him directly about this, and paraphrasing him,
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: he said, that would be insane because what our entire
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: economy is also based on the oil industry. You think
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: we want to start a tit-for-tat where people are bombing
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: oil fields? I frankly find that a fairly persuasive argument
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: at this stage. I could imagine if this war continues
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: to descend into chaos and it continues to climb up
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: the escalatory ladder that Iran may eventually strike an oil
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: field and we may strike all of their oil fields.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Do you think Lebanon.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: I don't think that they.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Do you think Lebanon struck the Saudi Aramco facility?
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: I don't think Lebanon did it.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: I think their claim that Israel hit this.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Oil facility needs to be taken seriously.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: So it's very possible.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: One thing just for the record.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go on, Jeremy.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Just to put a factual thing on the record, what
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: I was told by the Iranians is not that they
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: are against hitting oil facilities. What they're saying is we
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: will only do that if the United States and Israel
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: start to attack our oil infrastructure. We're going to strike
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: back at their oil infrastructure because we don't view it
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: as simply the sovereign property of these Arab countries. We
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: view it as facilitating oil. and linked to the American project.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: But they're saying, as of now, that they never intentionally
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: did it.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: So I'm just trying to get this straight. Our ally,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: our closest ally, who was told us that they were
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: launching a war, a regime change war in Iran with
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: our weapons and our money, also very potentially has attacked the...
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: oil Saudi Aramco processing facility in another one of our allies,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, and also kind of one of their allies.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Israel and Saudi Arabia have sort of an understanding, right?
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: This is what the Iranians are suggesting. I'm not saying
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: I fully believe it. It could be that they accidentally
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: hit some of these things. It could be that they
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: did do it and they're trying to cover it up.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Although Iran, I think that wouldn't really be to their advantage.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: It's possible that they did it, but the Saudis claim
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: that it was debris from a drone that they shot down.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: We should just take this seriously and investigate it because
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: if it is the case- and evidence emerges.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Then you're looking at Israel doing false flags.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: The Saudis are saying it's debris from a drone they
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: shot down.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: That was the initial statement by the Saud. First, it
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: was Iran bombed Saudi Aramco. Then a Saudi defense official
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: came out and said, this was actually debris that fell
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: from a drone that we had intercepted. And the Saudis
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: and the Iranians have had an interesting diplomatic back and
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: forth on this. The Saudis are not as aggressive right
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: now in going after the Iranians as, for instance, the
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Azerbaijani government is.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: And really, you know, sort of saying that Iran did this.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Iranians are denying that as well. So all of which
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: is just to say we should never just take at
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: face value the proclamations of the Iranian government. But if
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: you think about it at a common sense level, it
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: doesn't benefit Iran to further enrage the populations of these
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: countries because they already are very nervous about what's happening.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: So who benefits from this, Tim? Who benefits is Israel
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: from the idea that, you know, Iran is this kind
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: of madman, this mad dog loose, and they're just biting everyone.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: They're biting all their neighbors. They're biting the people who
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: they've been in this rapprochement with for two years. It
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: doesn't make sense. So that's why you have to pursue
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: it and say, is there any legitimacy to what the
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Iranians are alleging?
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: So now a friend of mine who is kind of
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: deeply connected in that part of the world, Sheikh Carlson,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: has reported on his show, Sheikh Tucker, has reported on
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: his show that in the UAE, two Mossad agents were
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: arrested for potentially trying to start false flag attacks. I
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: don't know if you guys saw that, but it did
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: go pretty big in terms of news.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've looked into that.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: He said it was in Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: So is there anything that you guys... can add to that.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Is that verifiable in any way? I mean, he, he is,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: here's what I will say about Tucker. He's deeply connected
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: in those parts of the world. I think that, you know,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: that's quite obvious. And he's goes there and talks to
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of people there. And I don't think he
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: would come out and make that up.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: So a, what, what, what I can add to that
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: is they both Qatar and KSA of Saudi Arabia have
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: denied the, that this has happened. Dropsite had a source
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: with Saudi Arabia that denied to us that it happened.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: Qatari sources have been a little cagier when it comes
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: to confirming or denying that off the record.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: On the record, they're denying it.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: Also, it's the kind of thing that you wouldn't necessarily
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: talk about if it did happen. It could also have
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: been made up by somebody who told it to Tucker.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Sure. Like they're trying to so.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: Like it may have been a very credible source that
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: told it to Tucker, but that credible source was just
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: trying to sow misinformation, disinformation, chaos. Moments like this, 90%
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: of what you hear turns out to be proven incorrect
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: a year later. So we're in the heat of that
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: moment where there's going to be a lot flying around.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: But.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: You know, it's, you know, so I don't know. That's
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: about what I can add to that. Now, Jeremy had
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: said- Another thing that needs to continue to be investigated.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia is not, you know, if, for example, if
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia genuinely believed that Saudi Aramco was targeted by Iran,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I would imagine there'd be a massive retaliation from Saudi Arabia.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Have you seen that?
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: I think that's an important, yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: You haven't seen that, right?
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: No, I think that's an, yeah.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Tim, I think that's an important insight that does
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: go to what Saudi Arabia believes.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: I think you're right.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: If Saudi Arabia genuinely believed that Iran had hit it,
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: they would be reacting in a different way.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Well, 100%.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Also, on the Tucker Carlson issue, Tim, I know that
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: I was in Doha for the Doha Forum when Tucker
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Carlson you know, appeared there. And it was like, you know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: it was like Michael Jackson appearing at the height of
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: his fame somewhere. Yeah. Like he is a massive figure there.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: He's purchased property there.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: You know, and and Tucker Carlson, he is he is
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: globally famous for. right now and deeply connected. He meets
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: with the epicenters of power in the Gulf right now.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: There's no question about that. So I don't believe Tucker
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Carlson just made this up. It's possible what Ryan said.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Somebody mentioned something to him. Maybe it was sort of
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: like floating something. But let's remember that Israel has a
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: decades-long history of engaging in all sorts of covert operations,
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: in false flag operations, in assassinations. in bombings that they
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: then try to blame on other groups. There's a long
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: history of Israel doing false flag bombings in Lebanon and elsewhere.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: So again, it's in the category of We need to
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: pursue it. We need to look into it. But, you know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: the idea that there's Mossad agents running around these countries
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: is like not at all a shocker or a surprise.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: You know, it would be surprising if they weren't doing
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: these things. The question is, were their agents arrested and
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: it's being covered up? Or was this floated to Tucker
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: because they wanted to achieve some purpose that we don't
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: quite understand right now? I don't know. But Israel has
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: a long history of doing this stuff.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: And also, if they did arrest agents.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: They would not like imagine what it would take for
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: them to say that publicly, like for allies of the
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: United States, Saudi Arabia and Qatar to say publicly, yes,
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: this is true. We arrested these Mossad agents like that
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: would be a significant diplomatic kind of breach. Like so
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: the diplomatic thing to do is to deny it. So
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: the denials are are worth reporting, but it doesn't necessarily
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: tell you a whole lot.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: When you look at the timing- Tim, can I tell
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: you one brief- Yes, please. Oh, go ahead.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, no, go, go.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Tell me. No, I just want to tell you one
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: story about Israel. In the 1990s, the head of Hamas-
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: was a guy named Khalid Mashal. And he was based
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: in Jordan at the time. And he comes out, he's
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: driving his kids to work and then to school. And
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: he gets out of the car with his bodyguards. And
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: these two guys posing as tourists come up and they
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: spray something in his ear. And it was a poison
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: and it sends Khaled Mashal into a coma. And then
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: there was a pursuit and his bodyguards and Jordanian police
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: end up tackling and getting the guys. And it turns
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: out that they were Mossad agents. The King of Jordan then,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: and this is a public story. People can read about this.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: There's been documentaries made about it. The King of Jordan
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: then says, we're going to cancel our treaty with Israel
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: and we're going to execute these agents and If Netanyahu,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: he was prime minister at the time in the 90s,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: if Netanyahu doesn't give us the antidote to resurrect Khaled Mashal,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: the head of Mossad gets on a plane from Israel,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: flies to Jordan to deliver the antidote to save Khaled
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Mashal's life. And Khaled Mashal is still alive to this day.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: I just interviewed him a couple of months ago. But
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: the nature of what Israel is able to do, that's
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: one of the most sort of famous known episodes. Israel
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: has deep penetration throughout the Arab world. And there are
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: many cases where they conduct operations and they get caught
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: where the world never actually hears about it.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: No penetration here. And that's what I'm proud of. You know,
• 32:58
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  Speaker 2: me ask you, what role in your estimation, and maybe
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: it's no role or maybe it's some role or maybe it's,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know what percentage of a role it is,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: is controlling politicians through things like blackmail or coercion of
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: some degree. Obviously, AIPAC spends a lot of money. But
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: then we have these files come out that show that
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein is in contact with a lot of very
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: highly placed people in governments all over the world. But
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: the ex-Prime Minister of Israel is living in his house.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: It comes out that an Israeli, I believe the Israeli government,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: this was reported, put a security system in Jeffrey Epstein's
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: New York townhouse. This is true. This is not a conspiracy.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: That townhouse is being frequented by some of the wealthiest,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: most powerful, and most influential people in our society. As well,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: the man has an island and a ranch in the
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: middle of nowhere in New Mexico. This man is a pedophile,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: is a human trafficker. He's clearly, when you look at
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: these documents, arranging these parties and events where very powerful
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: people are going.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: From your reporting.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: in a very sober-minded way, does that type of control system,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: is that something you think Israel has employed or is
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: employing in any way to sort of get certain results
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: from certain politicians?
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, the Israelis have a history of doing that
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: sort of thing, for sure. The link to Epstein in
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: this case, to me, maybe the way that it influenced
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: Trump to try to change the subject.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: I think the.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: Venezuela operation was an attempt to turn the page on
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: that and get it off, but that lasted 12 hours
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: and the public was back to, okay, that's interesting.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Let's look through some more of these Epstein files.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: I do wonder, absent the Epstein scandal itself, whether Trump
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: has the kind of motivation to carry through with this.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: It has its own logic and motivation to it. Netanyahu
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: said the other day that this is something he's been
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: yearning for for 40 years. And they have been working
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: towards pressuring the United States into it since then.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: And so that alone.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: It has an enormous kind of gravitational pull to it.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: And I think Trump's going to be sorely disappointed because
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: I think when the war ends, if the war ends
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: with us still alive on this planet, we're going right
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: back to those files, guy.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: We haven't forgotten about this.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Jeremy, can you speak to that? And then, Jeremy, also
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: adding to that, from your understanding of someone like Jeffrey
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Epstein— Now, I'm not accusing Jared Kushner of being a
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: human trafficker, obviously, but when you look at what Jeffrey
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Epstein was doing, and you look at what Jared Kushner
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: was doing, sort of.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Being a, you know, whatever you want to call it, right?
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Like a rainmaker, putting all these people at the table,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: trying to arrange scenarios to get certain results, working sort
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: of with government, but also outside of government. Would it
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: be completely crazy to say that Jared Kushner... is working
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: in an Epstein-like fashion to maintain certain relationships and to
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: build other relationships and to increase the likelihood that certain
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: outcomes happen on a global chessboard. Do you see Kushtar
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: as a figure like that or am I overstating it?
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: I think one of the biggest scandals is what's hidden
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: in plain sight. I think that a story like the
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Epstein files and Jeffrey Epstein's relationships with all of these
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: ultra powerful people, and Ryan has done more reporting than
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: anyone on the Israel connection on this. It captures the imagination,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: but part of why it's so damning is that it's
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: indicative of something that isn't even a secret conspiracy, that
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: what's hidden in plain sight is that the reason that
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: we're at war against Iran right now is because of
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: the way that the US political system is arranged. It's
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: because of the sameness of policy that exists among the
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: elites of the Democratic Party and the kind of most
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: vicious elements of the Republican Party. This is an enormous
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: indicator of the influence that Israel has over Israel. an
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: issue as sensitive of the decision of a state to
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: go to war, where you have, as you mentioned earlier,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: the Secretary of State mistakenly saying the quiet part out loud,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: that we did, in fact, go to war for Israel,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: and then he has to, you know, walk it back later.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: And then Trump has to concoct this ridiculous statement, you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: about how he the US has been in a state
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: of needing to preempt Iran for 47 years. But what's
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: hidden in plain sight is in a way more damning
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: than the Epstein files. It's that we have a system
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: that produces the kinds of characters that are in power
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: right now. That in the open, you have Miriam Adelson
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: being able to purchase American foreign policy and get it done.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: That you can have a Jared Kushner, and I think
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: you're nailing it there, He is the fixer extraordinaire right
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: now for the U.S. government as a whole because Trump
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: is the president. And the nexus of corporate power and government,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: the relationships with the Gulf countries, the relationships with Israel,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: the political interference around the world. and then the way
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: that they have sort of conducted a coup d'etat in
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: plain sight against the American constitution, it's like beyond Dick
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Cheney's wildest dreams. Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld spent their
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: entire lives playing by the wrong set of rules. They
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: wanted to do this, but they made the huge mistake
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: of actually believing they needed to follow the rules. Trump
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: has shattered that illusion. And you don't have to read
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: an Epstein file to see it. It's hidden nowhere anymore.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: It's just out in the open. And what do we
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: have as an opposition? Hakeem Jeffries? Chuck Schumer? What are
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: they doing? Trump laughs at them. Trump's running the deck
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: on these people.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Well, is Chuck Schumer or Hakeem Jeffries principally opposed to
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: regime change in Iran?
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like that. No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, bingo. Like, no. I mean, Chuck Schumer, his
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: whole life has wanted to see, his whole political career
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: has wanted to see this happen. I mean, Ryan and
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: I did a report recently. I mean, Ryan should speak
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: to this, but we did a report that was showing
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: that even last June, Schumer and other Democrats saw opportunity
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: in the possibility that Trump would try to go all
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: in in a regime change war. And I mean, Ryan
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: can pick it up because it's kind of an amazing story.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, Schumer did the whole Taco Trump thing, trying
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: to taunt Trump into the war. And so a bunch
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: of anti-war groups sent Schumer a letter saying, hey, man,
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: we get it. It's fun to score points against Trump,
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: but let's not kind of goad him into World War III.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Let's relax on that one.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: This is one of the most powerful— just to restate for people,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: this is one of the most powerful Democratic senators— from
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: New York, Chuck Schumer, kind of taunting Trump, like you
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: always chicken out, you're not going to follow through on
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: regime change in Iran.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and so that letter that these groups send to
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: Schumer leads to a phone call between a top foreign
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: policy aide for Schumer and one of the leaders of
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: one of these anti-war groups. And she says to him, look,
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: what you have to understand is that he's under a
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: lot of pressure from the caucus too, because there are
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: a ton of Democrats in the Senate really want to
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: see a regime change war. They hate Iran. They want
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: the military to take out Iran. But they also know
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: that the American people are done with these wars.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: And so it would be extremely damaging. But it will
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: also then therefore be extremely damaging to Trump. So their
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: two worst enemies, the Ayatollah and Trump, both take a hit.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: So they're like, so we're actually.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: And she said, well, Schumer He doesn't believe that, but
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: he's under a lot of pressure from Democrats, unnamed Democrats
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: who believe that. But from our reporting like that, that
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: basically captures a lot of the Democratic lawmakers position on this.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: That they want this war and they want Trump to
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: be the one that wages it and takes the hit
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: for it.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: And loses politically for it.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I have heard that Stephen Miller was a huge proponent
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: of this war.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard that, that Stephen Miller
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: Who was?
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Stephen Miller.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, interesting.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Behind the scenes was a big proponent of this war.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: It's been reported that J.D. Vance, who was kind of
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: marketed as an isolationist, who came on my show and said,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: you know, we've made a lot of mistakes by, you know,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: going into these countries like Iraq and Afghanistan and having.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Regime change wars.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: It was reported that he said, if you're going to
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: do this, go back.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Big and go fast, I believe was the quote. Or
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: hit hard and go fast.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Does any of your reporting suggest any internal conflicts in
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: the White House? Obviously, somebody like Tulsi Gabbard, which I
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: don't think anyone listens to, again, said she was more
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: of an isolationist. J.D. Vance was marketed, and he marketed himself,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: as someone who... And I do believe J.D. Vance, a
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: lot of what he said.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Um has been somewhat consistent about and he said it
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: on my show he came on my show and he
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: said we shouldn't be doing this and yet they're doing
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: it so and i mean listen i i know there's
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of people out there that'll say that these
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: people are politicians and especially jd vance doesn't believe in
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: anything and that's very possible but what is your reporting
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: about the dynamics in the white house yeah.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: You know, I the other day I was talking to
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Daniel Davis, who is a career military, and he was
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: supposed to be one of Tulsi Gabbard's deputies in this administration.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: And then Republicans and the Israel lobby. went ballistic because
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: he had been a critic of the Gaza war and
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: had said critical things about Israel. And there's a career
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: decorated military officer and he was gonna be put in
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: the position of presenting the presidential daily brief to Donald Trump.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: This just happened right at the beginning of this Trump administration.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: So then they withdrew his nomination. So Daniel Davis would
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: have been a real voice of kind of objectivity and
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: independent thought, but also a longtime military thinker. And he
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: was saying that he still maintains contact with some people.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: This was just recently I spoke to him, that he
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: maintains contact with some people. He said there's only like
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: a handful of sane people left in the inner circle
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: when it comes to anything having to do with national
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: security or specifically with this Iran, and that there's a
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: vibe that anybody who sort of speaks up, it's not
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: welcome to sort of be giving contrary views. It's that
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: you're going to be viewed as disloyal. It's like you're
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: in a kind of authoritarian dictatorship and you're like afraid
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: that Hanukkah from the Democratic German Republic is going to
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: like oust you if you say the wrong thing. That's
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: totally sort of counter to to the idea that when
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: it comes to sensitive issues like waging war, especially this
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: kind of war based on nonsense, that you don't want
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: critical voices. I mean, Tulsi Gabbard is the embodiment of
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: what happened to the isolationist wing of the MAGA movement
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: when it came to power and Trump in this second administration.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: These guys are completely sidelined. As you said, it's like
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: a joke. The other day, you had another guy who
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: falls into that isolationist category, Eldridge Colby. Yes, Briggs Colby.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Who is an assistant secretary of defense. What happened to him?
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Bridge. So Bridge, I mean, I also, I mean,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: you know, we- We tried.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: To get him on the show. He wouldn't come on
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: So I interviewed him years ago. He and I had
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: a debate. This was before he was in the Trump administration.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: But we also agreed on a bunch of things. Bridge
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Colby was against all this nonsense in the Middle East.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: He's a China hawk.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: So he comes into the Pentagon. The other day... Yeah,
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: he's a China hawk, and that's where he and I
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: were arguing about this stuff. But he's known as a
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: China hawk, but he's a very realistic sort of isolationist
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: when it comes to these forever wars and Middle East policy.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: He sits in front of a congressional hearing the other day,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: and he is explicitly on record for years of being
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: against a regime change war in Iran. And he gets
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: asked about his previous comments, and he just fumbled around.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: He couldn't even answer it. You could play clip after
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: clip of Tulsi Gabbard explaining very articulately what's wrong with
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: these kinds of wars. And they put her in charge.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: She's the director of national intelligence. She has nothing to
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: do with this stuff. And if she's allowed to speak publicly,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: oh boy, she needs to toe the party line. That's
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: the reality of this administration. The MAGA movement needs to
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: understand the whole thing was an epic sham. There is
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: no isolationist wing of this administration. There is no America first.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: This is Israel first right now, and it's Trump family
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: business first.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: So what's interesting about Briggs Colby is this is a
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: guy who last summer, they are running hit pieces in
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: the Politico on him because he is opposed to the
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: continuing– of funding of the Ukraine war. And he was
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: sort of outspoken about that. Now, I know for a
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: fact that serious people, billionaires, media people, were calling Trump going,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: fire this guy.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: We don't want him.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Like genuine, you know, and I know that not for
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: a fact, for a fact, like I wasn't in the room,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: but like people saying like, this guy was a thorn
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: in the side of more of the neoconservative, ideologically, driven
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: people on that end of the spectrum, they were going,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: this guy's got to go. And, and now he's sitting
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: there and he's, he's completely changed his opinion.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: And the only, uh, opposition that really came internally came
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: from the military, uh, and particularly, you know, general Dan Cain,
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: Trump loves to call Raisin Cain, uh, who, because they
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: had material concerns about the war because they, And if
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: you're reading Dropsite or listening to anything that Iran was
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: saying in the months leading up to the war, they
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: were saying, if you come for us, we're going to
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: turn this into a regional war.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: Lesson of the previous conflicts that we need to hit
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: much harder than we hit before.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: They were saying it out.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: Loud in English for anybody who wanted to listen to it.
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: And so, Kane was internally sharing these assessments. This is
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: what they're going to do. We got, hey, man, we
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: got a billion-dollar radar installation right here.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: It It's radar. We can't put it underground. They could
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: hit it. You know, we got these Patriot missile batteries.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: They can hit those.
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: Like we have all of these bases that are within
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: range of their ballistic missiles.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: They can hit those.
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: We've spent decades, you know, building up this elaborate military
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: infrastructure to basically control the Middle East and to control
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: global commerce. And we're putting all that at risk over
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: this war when the Iranians are offering you basically everything
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: you're asking for at the negotiating table. So the only, uh,
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: opposition was coming from like people who were like, let
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: me just tell you like what the reality of this
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: situation is. But everyone else was like, no, man, like
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: they're going to surrender.
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: You push them over. You'll be a historic figure. It's
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: going to be incredible. And they and he went with
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: the it's going to be beautiful.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, Israel's recently signaled that outside of Iran, they
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: feel that Turkey is their biggest threat.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Turkey is a NATO country. This is psychotic.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, at what point does the United
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: States of America divest from this Israeli foreign policy of
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: attacking any and all countries they feel might be a
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: current or potential threat? I mean, this is straight up
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Bush doctrine, preemptive war policy. the biggest foreign policy failures
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: of my lifetime that I witnessed growing up in the
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: early 2000s, Israel seems to have that foreign policy position
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: about Iran and now about Turkey. When you hear, and
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: I forget who said it, you guys know more than me,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: but someone came out and said, and I don't know
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: if it was I forget who said it, but basically
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: somebody said, outside of Iran, we're looking at Turkey as
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: the biggest potential existential threat to our existence. Why would
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: they come out and say that at this point? Conor,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: do you know who said that? Can you look that up?
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Because that definitely was said recently.
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: Benny Gantz?
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: It might have been Benny Gantz. I'm trying to.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: My producer's looking at it. What exactly would they mean
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: by that? Why telegraph that publicly in the middle of
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: a war with Iran or soon before?
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: I don't understand that.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: You know, one thing, and it cuts to this issue
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: of Turkey, et cetera, you know, one thing that I
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: think we're witnessing here, I think we're on the verge
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: of this being drilled into the heads of an entire
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: group generation of young people across the Middle East, that
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: in fact, it is a religious war. You know, there's
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: been great pains taken to sort of say, this isn't
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: about religion, etc. But the message that's being sent, especially
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: when the US ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, who might
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: as well be the foreign minister of Israel, the way
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: that he talks, is endorsing the idea of a greater
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Israel that goes from the Mediterranean all the way to
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: the Tigris and Euphrates rivers and starts defending it and
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: kind of some bizarre theological ground. But what we're witnessing
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: right now is that you have all of these Gulf
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: monarchies that are propped up and defended by the presence
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: of American military sites in their countries, by their interwoven,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: interconnected relationship to the global economy, specifically to the American economy.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: There isn't any semblance of democracy in any of those countries.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: And their populations are bribed and bought off to sort
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: of be quiet. And maybe it's effective, maybe the propaganda
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: or what Iran is doing right now, maybe it's damaging
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: certain aspects or making people feel like, well, we should
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: be aggressive toward Iran. But at the end of the day,
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: in a bigger picture, the genocide in Gaza, the absolute
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: obliteration of Gaza, the attempts to further annex the West Bank,
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: now they just issued forced evacuation orders, displacement orders in Lebanon.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: clearing out hundreds of thousands of people from the south
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: suburbs of Beirut. The Israelis doing massive bombing there. They've
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: set the entire region on fire. It will take a generation,
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: but there's going to be blowback, Tim. And it's like
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: the lesson of 9-11, the lesson of the so-called war
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: on terror. It's like we step on the rake in
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: the same place in the yard every few cycles. And
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: I think that it may seem like Israel is, quote unquote,
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: winning right now, but a series of events are being
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: kicked into motion that we don't know what's going to happen.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: But what, but what is certain is that a lot
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: of people, millions of people are being told this actually
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: is a religious war against you. And that's going to
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: come back and bite the United States in a major way.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Ryan, the opposition leader in Israel came out and said,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: this is all of our war. This is our entire
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: country's war. So I know that Netanyahu very rightly gets
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: a ton of criticism and to say criticism, let's, I mean,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: to put it mildly, um, But how much of this,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: in your estimation, is just Netanyahu, like, you know, the
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: great man of history theory, where it's like, without Netanyahu,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: how much of this is happening?
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: And how much of this is just.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: The preferred policy of the entire Israeli government? And without Netanyahu,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: you know, if Netanyahu died tomorrow, are we looking at
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: a major course correction in Israel or not?
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, when it was looking like there might be
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: some sort of election for prime minister again, most of
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: the candidates closest to Netanyahu were to his right. So
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: of the top four or so, he was like the
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: most kind of left-wing candidate. And I think what you're
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: seeing from the population there is the natural product of
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: the relationship that the U.S. has set up with Israel,
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: which is, you know, at the beginning you had a
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: a left or a center left within Israel that would say,
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: we should do coexistence with the Palestinians.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: We should do two states.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: We're all here. We're all going to be here. Let's
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: hammer this out. And then you had a right wing
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: that was saying, why would we give anything away to
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: these subhuman people? Let's just keep using the American military
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: weapons and support that is flowing in to just continue
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: to lock down control of more and more territory. It's
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: free money. It's free real estate. Let's use it. And
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: so they kept being able to win that argument because
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: one side of the political calculation is arguing for some
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: level of compromise in order to get a sustainable coexistence.
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: The other is saying, how about we don't compromise and
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: actually get more stuff And only by taking away the
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: American military and financial support would you have forced the
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: political conversation to be held on reasonable grounds.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: What is the religious element? When Jeremy says this is
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: a religious war and people are now going to internalize
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: this in the Middle East as a religious war, Tucker
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: got a lot of criticism recently for talking about Chabad
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: and talking about the third temple and playing a video
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: of Pete Hegseth saying that the third temple could be
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: rebuilt in our lifetime. And I know this is sort
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: of end times mythology that Christians and Jews actually share
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: to a certain degree, which is why there's so much
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Christian Zionism in America. I've always thought of this maybe,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: and maybe it's just because I'm uneducated, I thought of
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: it more of a secular financial motive of like trying
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: to build a Miami in Gaza, trying to build an
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: AI smart city on this mass grave and trying to
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: have regional hegemony in the Middle East. Is there an
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: element of this that is mystical, spiritual, whatever you want
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: to call it, where you do have really influential clerics
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: pushing certain ideas because they believe that there is some
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: spiritual element to this fight?
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, I actually think, you know, if you go back
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: and you look at how the Republican Revolution was organized
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: in the 1990s, when Newt Gingrich and the Contract of
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: America came to power, or you look at Reagan's electoral
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: campaign in the 1980 election, at the core of it
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: was the Republican strategists mobilizing the evangelical vote, including getting
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: large numbers of evangelicals who were not voters at all
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: to start voting and supporting Republican candidates. And very cynically,
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: there were the Karl Rove's of the world who viewed
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: that section of Americans as kind of the crazies, the loonies.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: And so we need to constantly be throwing red meat
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: to the loonies to keep them on our side. And
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: I think that those dynamics still exist and they certainly
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: exist in this. Netanyahu is not a particularly religious guy
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: at all. But he'll talk about Amalek and the need
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: to wipe them out. and cite the Torah, and he'll
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: do it when it's convenient. But I think you're nailing
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: it when you talk about the sort of big real
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: estate project. And what I'm referring to is this, that
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: when you have Kushner and you have Netanyahu, although Netanyahu's
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: is also political, it's Zionism, it's expansionism, it's all of
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: those things. But this is big business. That's why you
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: can have the United Arab Emirates normalizing relations with Israel
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: and posting pictures where they're celebrating together. And you have
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: all it's all business in a way. But what I'm
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: saying is they're erecting their condominiums and their business projects
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: on a mountain of corpses of mortals. who've been killed
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: in all of these wars. And what I'm saying is
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: you can't do that and expect that it's not going
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: to circle back around to you. So a day may
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: come where some of these Gulf monarchies, they're toppled or
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: they're brought down. And part of the story is going
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: to be what we're all witnessing right at this very moment,
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: because the message has been sent that Israel, it was
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: an Israeli supremacist war that was waged by the United
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: States with the support tacitly and otherwise of these monarchies.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: And when these Gulf monarchies are toppled, you mean by progressive...
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: secular pluralists, right? I mean, you're like, well, obviously it's good, but,
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: but this is what I mean, right? You're going to
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: get Syria, right? You're going to get somebody who was
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: an ISIS who's now going to take, so you're going
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: to take a country potentially that's somewhat modernizing a Qatar, Oman, Jordan, whatever.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: And some of these Gulf monarchies would be toppled and
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: you would get you, they'd probably be toppled by religious fanatics, right?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: But well, let me answer that in a little bit
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: of a nuanced way. We have an example, a living
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: example of this. When the Egyptian revolution happened in 2011,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: when the so-called Arab Spring uprisings were happening, the US-backed
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: dictatorship of Hosni Mubarak was toppled and there was a
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: popular revolt. And then Egypt for the first time in
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: decades had free and fair elections. And the candidate who
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: won those elections with the wide support, not just of
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: religious Egyptians, but also secularists and young people, was Dr.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: Mohamed Morsi, who came out of the Muslim Brotherhood movement.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: And he won a democratic election, even though a lot
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: of the people that voted for him were not members
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: or supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood. But he won a
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: sort of consensus of the population. And within like a
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: year or so, the US was backing a coup where
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: General Abdel Fattah el-Sisi took power and Egypt's gone back
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: to the moment of we're not going to have any
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: real democracy anymore. And I think that the question then becomes,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: Mohamed Morsi in Egypt was an interesting guy because he
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: was modern, he was extremely well-educated, he was a political realist.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: And I don't think it was given a chance to
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: even see what does it look like to have a
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: country that has democratic elections, has a distinctly religious sort
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: of identity to it, but also respects a basic secularism
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: that's never really been allowed to function in the modern
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: era because the United States doesn't want that. The United
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: States isn't actually interested in having democracy in any of
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: these countries. Trump was asked by Dana Bash from CNN
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: this morning, what about if a religious figure takes power
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: in Iran? Because Trump's saying, I have to be involved
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: with the picking of it. Iran needs to pass a
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: national voter ID law real quick to keep Trump out
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: of it. But Trump's saying, I have no problem with
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: religious leaders. And he's basically saying it doesn't have to
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: be a democracy. They don't care. They don't really care.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: They want malleable states that in one way or the
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: other are going to do the bidding of the United States.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: And they couldn't really care less what they do to
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: their own people unless it's convenient to the narrative.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: How generic were the, I mean, I'm not generic. How,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: when we're looking at footage of Iranian protests, and I'm
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: sure I live in California for part of the year.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people that, you know,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: are from Iran. And I know that a lot of
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: them were genuinely excited when the Ayatollah fell because they
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: had experienced oppression. And they have pointed out that women
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: in Iran, to some degree, and again, I don't know,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not there, how genuine and widespread were those Iranian
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: protests that we saw like small videos of, were some
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: of them engineered by outside forces, potentially Mossad, were they
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: kind of egged on and stoked by that? How much
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: of the country does that represent? How powerful is that
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: section of the country Um, in terms of determining the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: future course of Iran, are we talking 10% of people,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: 30% of people in the country has 90 million people.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: How many of them are we talking about? Only young people.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Are they only in Tehran? What do you think about
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: those Iran protests and how organic they were?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: There were, you know, there were some huge protests, like
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: there were enormous numbers of people that were in the streets.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: It was started in a market where shop owners started
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: protesting about exchange rates. And the US has been clear,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: Besant himself, the Treasury Secretary said publicly, we deliberately engineered
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: a currency crisis in Iran in order to spark a protest.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: That's almost a direct quote from our Treasury Secretary. What
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: he did is manipulated through sanctions, and through some new
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: sanctions policy, what people's savings were worth and what you
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: could buy, you know, with Iranian money.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, the merchants were just.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: You know, who depend on, you know, some stable monetary
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: system in order to be able to buy imports and
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: then sell them on the streets. They started protesting against this,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: which is precisely what the US wanted. The US also
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: said that we shipped like, what, 50,000 of Elon Musk's
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: little satellite devices into the into the country and otherwise
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: have been fomenting uprisings. But there's no question talking to Iranians,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of anger. Even setting aside your opposition
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: to the regime, if you have it, or to the
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: Iranian government, the economic crisis over the last months and
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: years makes daily life very difficult.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: Now, ironically, Most of.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: The opposition to the government would be, like you said,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: in Tehran. And that is the place that we are
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: now bombing into the seventh century.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: Seems like indiscriminate bombing around one of the oldest and
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: biggest cities in the world. So we're hitting the people
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: that would be most likely to be supportive of, to
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: have been out in the streets protesting.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Right. To add to that, Tim, because you're also asking
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: about sort of the broader picture there, you know, what
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: ended up happening, and we also spoke to people who
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: witnessed this themselves, is that you had these huge popular protests.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: And there was almost no response from the state whatsoever.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: In fact, the supreme leader of Iran, who, of course,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: was assassinated in the opening stages of this war, had
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: even publicly said that the protesters need to be listened to.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: And there were no significant reports of any violence until
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: around January 8th. So they started in late December. They
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: go to January 8th. And, you know, what we know
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: for a fact happened was that small cells of people
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: that were embedded within larger peaceful demonstrations started attacking police
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: stations or attacking police officers. And in some cases, they
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: started attacking mosques. And, you know, and so I mean,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: like one. One Iranian that I talked to who witnessed
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: some of this said that it's like watching agitators at
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: like a big anti-war demonstration in the US where you've
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: got like the people that want to break off and
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: the revolution is going to happen now and let's try
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: to set a cop car on fire. So you start
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: having people do this. And so what the Iranian government
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: has said, and again, this is a nation states narrative,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: but what the Iranian government has said is that there
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: were cells of people that they believe were being supported
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: by Mossad and in some cases provided with smuggled in
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: weapons that were coordinating attacks against the government, attacks against mosques,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: attacks against security personnel. And what it sounds like happened
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: is that there were then these gun battles that start.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: And I think thousands of Iranians got gunned down. And
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: I don't think we know the extent of the death toll.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: But what I think is clear is that the narrative
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: that it was simply the Iranian government decided to open
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: fire on peaceful protests is not true. The question is,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: how overwhelming was the force? How many Iranians did the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: government kill in the process of trying to put down
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: what they characterized as terrorist rebellions? How excessive was it?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: How many corpses were there? We don't know that. And
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: it needs to be investigated. But we have to be
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: intellectually honest about this. The Iranian government has said that 3,100
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: people died. That includes everyone, including security forces. International human
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: rights organizations are saying those numbers are much, much higher.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: Some of the numbers also come from human rights organizations
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: that are connected to the National Endowment for Democracy and
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: have received U.S. government funding. But even the big ones,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, they all have characterized it
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: as most of the deaths were caused by the Iranian
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: government opening fire on peaceful protesters. I think that we,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: because these narratives have been weaponized into broader public support
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: initially for some kind of quote unquote action against Iran,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: there needs to be an actual investigation of the events
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: that took place in Iran in January. But it is
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: not even part of the narrative anymore from the White House.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: This isn't about we're saving the Iranian people. Trump is,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: they're not even talking nuclear anymore. Now it's, we're going
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: to get rid of their ballistic missile capacity. What they're
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: actually saying, I want people to understand this, what they're
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: actually saying is, Iran shouldn't have any defensive capacity. It
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: shouldn't have any ability, which any nation state worth anything has,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: to deter other nations from attacking it. The position right
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: now is Iran should be like Syria, where after Assad fell,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: Israel came in, they bombed the entire conventional military capacity
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: of Syria. to make sure that whoever comes next, whatever
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: Arab ruler takes power, won't have a real military. In
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: a way, that's kind of the minimum that Netanyahu wants
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: of this game. Let's make it so they can't ever
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: be a real nation state again.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Ryan, we spoke earlier about the role that AI is
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: playing in actually helping these military coordinated attacks.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: Can you speak a little bit to that? This is
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: one of the, you.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: Know, obviously the Gaza genocide is another, I think, example
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: of this, but this is one of the first theaters
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: of war that we've seen AI have such a prominent role.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: It was reported that Israel in the early stages of
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: the bombing of Gaza was using AI to pick targets,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: and there would be one low-level person at the very
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: end who would just press confirm, confirm, confirm on all
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: of those. But it does appear like the US is
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: using AI in its targeting here. The most absurd example,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: this is the one you and I were talking about,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: they bombed in Tehran a place called Police Park. And
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: first of all, It shows you that it has nothing
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: to do with police. It's just called Police Park. It
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: shows you that.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: They are doing what Iran says they're doing, which is
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: bombing a lot of civilian infrastructure.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: Police are part of the civilian infrastructure. You're trying to
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: keep order. They want disorder. And so in their list
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: that whoever produced, Claude or somebody else, of police targets,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: they added police park. And so we dropped a $ 10
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: or $ 20 million missile to blow up a park bench
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: surrounded by a couple of trees. And there's a real
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: open question of whether the 180 plus people killed in
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: the school in Manab in Southern Iran came about because
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: it was an AI chosen target because it had previously
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: been part of an IRGC base. But since then, it
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: was broken off and there's a wall. If you went
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: on Google earth last month and looked, and you can,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: people can look this up. It was labeled as a
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: school literally on Google earth.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: Um, so if they did use AI, why is the
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: AI not checking Google earth before bombing the school? Uh,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: and if they didn't use AI, how, what are we doing?
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: Like why, how are we, how are we Like, who's
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: checking this?
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: Jeremy, a lot of people are saying munitions are running out.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: A lot of people have been talking about that. A
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: lot of people have been saying that because we've given
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: the Ukraine a lot of weaponry, we've provided Israel with
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of weaponry, that we have overextended ourselves, we've
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: depleted our munition stockpiles, and that the idea that we could,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: you know, with these missile interceptors, that we could defend Israel.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: the.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: Gulf States, that we could continue to have the ability
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: to attack Iran at the level that we need to.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Is there any credence to that claim? Do you think
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: that we are kind of running a little bit low
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: on certain munitions? And to piggyback on that, as Israel
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: runs low on munitions, Do they consider using alternative weapons,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: nuclear weapons, if they feel like they are losing this war,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: which right now it seems to be that they are.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's true or not, and
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: that could be reversed, but it does seem to be
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: that they are taking heavy losses, big hits. As you said,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: it's censored over there. It's hard to tell. But do
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: we have the munitions to keep fighting this war? Can
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: we defend some of our allies and partners? And if not,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: what happens next?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is such an important question that you're asking,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: and it's one I'm also talking to military experts on.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: And I'm also interviewing Iranian officials, which is somewhat unusual
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: in the context of American media. And here's what I
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: would say. I think the next couple of days are
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: going to be very telling. What the Iranians are claiming,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: and this is coming also from the IRGC, their most
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: powerful military entity, They're claiming that the munitions they've used
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: up until this moment that I'm speaking to you, Tim,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: have largely been missiles manufactured between 2010 and 2014, and
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: that they haven't utilized some of their most modern, longer range,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: powerful missile systems, and that they're going to begin deploying
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: those systems. we're going to see if that's true. We're
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: going to see how powerful they are, how effective they are,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: because I think the Iranians are reaching a trigger point
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: where they're going to start doing that. I think we
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: also are going to see the extent to which the
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: THAAD battery systems, the defense systems that the U.S. put
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: in place throughout these countries, the radar systems that the
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: Iranians have attacked that coordinate the Patriot and THAAD missile
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: defense systems, the early warning detection systems seem to be
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: failing in some countries. We have colleagues in different Gulf
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: countries that are saying that sirens aren't going off now
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: and things are just hitting. And there's a lot of
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: censorship happening. So I think the US certainly has enough bombs.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: They've destroyed enough of Iran's air defenses to bring in
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: aircraft flying at lower altitude, dropping different kinds of munitions.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's much question that the US and
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: Israel can keep bombing. They're going to start putting planes
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: at risk. They have not decimated the air defenses in
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: the way that Hegseth and others are bragging. I mean,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: I think it's pretty clear the Iranians have been preparing
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: for a long time for this. They have mobile units.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: It's a mountainous terrain. It's an enormous country. So I
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: think that the rubber is going to hit the road
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: on what narratives have been true and which haven't over
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: the next couple of days. We could see a scenario
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: where it becomes really clear really fast that a lot
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: of those Gulf Arab countries are extremely vulnerable. and that
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: the anti-missile technologies have been severely degraded to a point
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: where the Iranians start striking in a much heavier capacity.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: And then you're gonna have enormous pressure. Already on the
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: oil issue, they're going nuts right now because we're messing
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: with the family businesses all through the Middle East. But
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: on a tactical level, The Iranians have said from the beginning,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: it's gonna look like we're getting waxed. It's gonna look
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: like we're being destroyed here, but you haven't seen our
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: most powerful systems and we know what we're doing. We
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: are causing them to expend all of their energy in
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: the opening week of this war And then you're going
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: to see how vulnerable they are. And they're talking about...
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: We're going to see which narrative is true.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: And which is false. They're talking about hypersonic missiles specifically.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: They're talking about hypersonic missiles. Yep.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: Can you talk about the difference between a regular and
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: a hypersonic missile in terms of capabilities and damage that
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: can be done?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, one thing, just first to say, you know,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: there's been a lot of outrage being expressed by Israel
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: over Iran using cluster munitions. First of all, it should
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: be stated that neither Israel nor Iran are party to
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: the convention banning cluster bombs. And the United States itself
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: has used cluster munitions, including under Barack Obama. They used
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: cluster bombs in Yemen and shredded 36 people. in a
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: strike that they said was aimed at al-Qaeda, but they
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: shredded a bunch of villagers in Yemen with them. But
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: why are the Iranians using cluster bombs? Personally, I'm completely
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: against them. I've seen the effect of cluster bombs. I
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: think it's a heinous weapon system. But the Iranians are
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: using it as a way to try to trigger the
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: Iron Dome and other air defense systems so that the
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: larger missile itself is able to penetrate or other missiles
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: are able to penetrate. And they're ugly, ugly munitions. No
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: one should ever defend the use of them. Iran, though,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: is using guided munitions. They are quite precise. But with
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: the hypersonic missiles, it's much easier for them to penetrate
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: through the existing U.S. and Israeli airspace. defense systems. It
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean that they work perfectly. They're a much faster missile.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: In fact, the Yemenis at times have used them on
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: Israel as well, in some cases actually hitting targets. So
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: what you're talking about is a much stronger blast. You're
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: talking about a missile that has a much greater capacity
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: to defeat the technology that the US and Israel have deployed.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: And if some of the higher end technology has already
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: been used up and they have to get replenishments in
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: terms of combating the ballistic missiles, you could start to
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: see much heavier damage take place inside of Israel. But again,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: I want to emphasize the Iranians have claimed this for
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: a long time, and we're going to start to see
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: if what they promised is true. We're going to start
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: to see that very, very soon. Last night, very heavy
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: bombing from the Iranians after the U.S. had claimed that
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: they were sort of pausing or it was abating a bit.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: The Iranians responded by just utterly bombing throughout the region
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: and hitting Israel very hard.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: It's unbelievable.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: Well, Jeremy, we know you need to get out of here. Ryan,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: could you stay for another five minutes? Just a few
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: more questions, because I want to talk to you about
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: this ship incident. Jeremy, thank you.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: You were the best.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: All right, Tim, appreciate you. Thank you very much.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Ryan, I want you to talk briefly about this incident
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: that was very disturbing that I read about regarding an
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Iranian ship that got torpedoed by the U.S. because it
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: does just talk about how there is, I think, a
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: misunderstanding from certain people as to the brutality of war.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: In the sense of how.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: How truly evil things that happened during the war are
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: and how this is going to be seared into the
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: minds of people. And it's so important for people in
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: the U.S. to stand up and go, yeah, this is
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: not something that we co-sign. Can you just talk about that?
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a dark one.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 5: And India is actually roiled by this right now because
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 5: it implicates them.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: So the Indians... they.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: Love to project that they have hegemony in the kind
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: of Indian Ocean. They're the ones that are going to,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: their Navy is going to keep the Indian Ocean safe.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: And so Toward that end, they host this biannual kind
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: of little festival of ships. I think 70 countries, including
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: Iran and the United States, sent ships to these two
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: separate but related events.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: And they did a live fire drill.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: And when did they do this?
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: They did it from, I think, February 17th to the 26th.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: So it wrapped up 48 hours before, maybe 36 hours
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: before the war started.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: Um, they, they, they paraded on land.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: Uh, the U S pulled out of one of the
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: two of these little festivals, but did participate, um, in
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: the other one with the, with the Iranians. So like,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: we're there like with them, uh, as part of the
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: kind of peace protocol for these events, you're only supposed
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: to bring enough ammunition, you know, to like, you know,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: fire off, you know, during, during your little events, you're
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: not supposed to come all, you know, kit it up.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: In a way that could cause serious problems.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: Because also, you're out there doing these complex coordinated drills,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: you don't want something to go wrong. And so they
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: try to keep it as safe as possible. And so
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: then it starts to head back to Iran. And this
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: is where we need more investigation. It appears that it
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: was then held at a port for something like 11
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: hours near Sri Lanka, or a Sri Lankan port.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: Which now people are suspicious.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: Was allowing kind of this nuclear sub to catch up
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: to it. There's also the question of like, how did
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: they find the exact location? In India, they are speculating
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: that the U.S. exploited its kind of joint intelligence network
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: that it has built with India to get into the
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: Indian system. Because the Indians and the Iranians were, you know,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: they invited the Iranian ships.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: And then they said goodbye to the Iranian ships. They
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: knew exactly where it was.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: So then the nuclear sub finds the ship and torpedoes it.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: And the laws of war, the Geneva Convention say that
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: if it doesn't put your own ship at risk, you
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: are obligated under international law to try to save drowning sailors.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: But you have to do the bare minimum. Also, under
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: the kind of common sense of humanity. Like you see
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: somebody drowning, it's like a meme. You see somebody drowning,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: like throw them a rope. Right.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: Like that's what we do.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: We prosecuted a Nazi at Nuremberg for not doing that.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: But often the Nazis did do it, which is.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: Like we're below them at this point.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: So Sri Lanka's Navy had to come out and get
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: there as fast as they could.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: And they managed to save, I think, 32 people from drowning,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: more than 80. uh, Iranians, uh, died in the, died
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: in the attack.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: And we, and we posted the video as a, with
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: the caption, something like this Iranian ship thought it was
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: safe suckers, you know, you're not. Um, and so now
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: the Indian, so this is interesting too. The Indian government
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: is under enormous pressure because this is, you know, a
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: slap in the.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: Face to them.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: If you noticed yesterday, uh, Trump lifted sanctions against, on
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: Russia when it came to selling oil to India. Remember
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: a few months ago, the biggest thing that Trump worked
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: up about was that India was buying oil from Russia.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: He's like, I'm going to do 25% sanctions or tariffs.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: I'm going to do 50% tariffs. Stop buying oil from Russia. Now,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: it's all fine. India can buy oil from Russia and
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: we're lifting the sanctions on Russian oil. That to me
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: feels like kind of blowback from this. Right. That Modi
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: is like, I need something here. You're killing me at home.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: You got to give me something.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: You make this look like gold.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: How do you just.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: Now Putin will get billions out of this.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: What do you think China and Russia, what is the
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: lens through which they're viewing the current Iran conflict?
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: You know, there was this really interesting argument being made
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: by a guy for Barry Weiss's news outlet, Javi Rettinger.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: He's like... Yeah.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 5: He's like one of the smartest Israeli analysts out there.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: And so they sent their like their brightest light out
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: there to make the best possible case they could that
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: the war on Iran that the US is waging is
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 5: not actually for Israel.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: It's actually about China.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: And he lays out this case that there's oil, that
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 5: China gets from Iran. You can go read his case.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 5: But it falls apart extremely quickly because, yes, it's true
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: that Iran... exports something like 80 to 90% of its
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: oil to China. So you're like, oh, you see that number,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 5: you're like, wow, that really involves China a lot. That
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 5: makes up something like 5 to 15% of Chinese imports.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: They have plenty of oil that they can get from elsewhere.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: And also think about it. If we replace this government,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 5: if we manage to do a regime change, and we
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: put in a new government that Donald Trump says is wonderful,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: like finds his Delce Rodriguez, why would that country not
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: sell oil to China.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: To China.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: That would make no sense. Of course, yeah, they'll sell
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: it to everybody. Iran will still be a country.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: It will still produce oil.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would still have an economy. It's still going
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: to have an economy.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: Unless Khabib is saying that what Trump really wants to
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: do is blockade China.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: From buying oil from anybody around the world.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure China would have something to say about that.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: I think they might. You think they might?
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: What do you think about the chances of boots on
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: the ground? Coming? Not coming?
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: I think the chances of special forces are getting pretty high.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: Reportedly, we sent Kurdish troops in already with special forces. Yes,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: and then.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: And then as we reported, actually, immediately, it wasn't true.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: So that was fascinating. That was leaked by the Israelis,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 5: it seems, that the invasion, not the invasion is going
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: to happen, because you can get that wrong.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: And then it doesn't end up happening. They said thousands
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: of Kurdish fighters have invaded Iran and are currently fighting
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: inside Iran. That was the reporting from a bunch of outlets. Right.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: And it clearly seemed to be sourced from Israel. We
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: talked to all of these different Kurdish sources and all
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: of them are like, no, it's not happening. Not casting
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: judgment on whether it should, but it literally is not happening.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: And then this Iranian Kurdish base inside Iraq was bombed,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: which maybe it was from Iran who thought that the
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 5: reports were true. Maybe it was from Israel, who's trying
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: to rile them up and say, you need to go
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 5: in there.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: We don't know. But it's not happening. So the invasion
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: is not happening. So the US is putting enormous pressure
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: on them to go in.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: The problem is, in 1991, we told the Kurds to
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: rise up in northern Iraq.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: They rose up, and then Saddam massacred them.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: It's always the Kurds.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: We then supported them in Syria to go against ISIS.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: And a couple months ago, we sold them out. So
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: the Kurds have been saying publicly, like, all right, 1991,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 5: that's one thing. And also all of the betrayals going
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 5: back hundreds of years. But like, 91 is one thing.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 5: You sold us out like two months ago.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Right, right. You know, that's insane. Yeah, it's unbelievable.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: But they're still calculating, like, you know, because they're under
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: a lot of pressure to do it. And, you know,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: Bush and Obama were actually pretty decent for Northern.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: Iraq, the Kurdish region. So they're kind of, but they're,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: they're comfortable too. They're like, we've got our autonomy. We're happy.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah. Why get involved?
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: Like, what do you think, you know, I'm hearing the
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: Qatar is basically saying we want to pull our money
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: out of the American economy. Saudi Arabia is, you know,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: saying similar things, you know, people are really upset out there.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, this could be a massive, you know, collapse
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: financially here. I mean, what do you, what, what is
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: Jared Kushner doing right now? Is he calling these people
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: on the phone going, Hey, relax.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got to because so much of his business
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: relies on the Gulf economy continuing to produce oil and
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: gas and dollars and then funneling those dollars into the
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: grifts that the Trump organization, the Kushner organization are operating,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: set aside the entire AI grift that is the US.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: Economy at this point. Also, this should be obvious to people,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: but that stuff is the backbone of everything else. If
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: the oil and gas stop coming out, we stop making aluminum.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: We stop making chlorine.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: We stop making the copper, the basics of our economy.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: Then we can't make semiconductors. That happens as it's almost
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: as if people forget like, March 2020. You remember how
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: quickly the entire world fell apart from supply chain shocks?
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: Wasn't that long ago. So that is kind of Iran's strategy,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: I think, is to say they cannot withstand. They are
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: already driven to absolute poverty and desperation by our sanctions.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: So they're already there. So they can weather this.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: Final question, how do you- is Dubai cannot. Dubai cannot, right.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: Final question for you. How does this play out?
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: What is your.
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  Speaker 2: Prediction from what you know, from what you've seen? Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: so many things could change. I mean, you know, what
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  Speaker 2: do you think happens here? Does Trump say, hey, we won,
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  Speaker 2: even though we didn't, and just get the hell out
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  Speaker 2: of there? Or does this, you know, I've seen reports
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  Speaker 2: that the Pentagon is asking for money and some true
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  Speaker 2: commitments and terms.
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  Speaker 1: Until September, right? Like, what is this? Are we talking
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  Speaker 1: about this on July 4th?
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  Speaker 5: I think the most hopeful outcome at this point would
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  Speaker 5: be Trump stares into the abyss or the actuality of
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  Speaker 5: a global financial crisis that he sparked. And declares victory
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  Speaker 5: and just stops bombing.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 5: And says, here's the list of things I wanted to accomplish.
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  Speaker 5: I obliterated their ballistic missile program. I obliterated their nuclear weapons.
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  Speaker 5: I killed the Ayatollah. Maybe he'll kill his son before
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  Speaker 5: the end of the day is over. And so we won.
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  Speaker 5: And everyone tells me that it's the most incredible war
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  Speaker 5: victory that anybody has ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: But the Revolutionary Guard still controls the country.
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  Speaker 1: You're right, exactly. Will Israel allow that to happen?
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  Speaker 4: That is an interesting question.
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  Speaker 5: Now, if Israel feels that they have been sufficiently militarily degraded,
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  Speaker 5: that they don't have many ballistic missiles left, their Tehran
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  Speaker 5: looks like Gaza, that they can then continue to do
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  Speaker 5: routine operations like this. With Gaza, as you know, they
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  Speaker 5: call it mowing the lawn. In the 90s in Iraq.
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  Speaker 4: This was what the West would do to Iraq.
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  Speaker 5: They put them under sanctions, impoverished it, and then every
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  Speaker 5: six months, go bomb it, and then weaken it.
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  Speaker 4: When 2003 came along, you just pushed it over.
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  Speaker 5: Then, of course, it became a gigantic catastrophe through the
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  Speaker 5: occupation and everything else, but that was their vision. Iraq
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  Speaker 5: was too strong in the 80s to take out. If
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  Speaker 5: you Take a decade of just pummeling it relentlessly. So
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  Speaker 5: maybe Israel's okay with pausing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And then six months later, they go in and bomb
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  Speaker 5: them again. And then six months after that and on
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  Speaker 5: and on.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Ryan Grimm, Dropsite News, thank you so much. We're
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  Speaker 2: very grateful that you and Jeremy came on, and everybody
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  Speaker 2: should go and read your stuff. You guys are great,
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  Speaker 2: and this, I think, helped a lot of people understand
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  Speaker 2: the mess that we're in, but I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: much hope it's given us, but that's never been the
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  Speaker 2: point of this show, my career, or anything I've been
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  Speaker 2: involved in. Ryan Grimm, Dropsite News, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you got it. If anybody knows Trump, just tell
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  Speaker 4: them it's a beautiful win. Just take the win.
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  Speaker 1: It's the win. We did it.
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  Speaker 4: We won.
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  Speaker 1: Very good.
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  Speaker 3: You won.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Ryan, this will be out in a few hours.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. You're the best.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, sir.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate it.