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Hell and Gone Murder Line: Maud Crawford · Hell and Gone: Murder Line

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  Speaker 2: On March second, nineteen fifty seven, sixty five year old
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  Speaker 2: Maude Crawford, who is one of the most well known
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  Speaker 2: women in her hometown of Camden, Arkansas, after she made history,
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  Speaker 2: is the only female attorney to ever practice law.
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  Speaker 3: There was stringing beans at home.
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  Speaker 2: Maud and her husband Clyde lived in a stately two
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  Speaker 2: story historic home on Clipton Street in Camden, but on
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  Speaker 2: that night, Maud was on her own. Clyde had gone
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  Speaker 2: out to see a movie, and she had her Dalmatian dog, Dow,
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  Speaker 2: who was her constant companion at her side. After his
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  Speaker 2: night out, Clyde arrived home at around eleven thirty pm.
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  Speaker 3: He saw that.
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  Speaker 2: Maud's car, a blue Tudor nineteen fifty six Mercury sedan,
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  Speaker 2: was in the back driveway. The keys were in the ignition,
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  Speaker 2: the way that Maud usually left them there. The lights
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  Speaker 2: in the house and on both porches were still on,
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  Speaker 2: so Clyde walked inside.
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  Speaker 3: Clyde later told investigators.
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  Speaker 2: That he wasn't immediately alarmed that night when he got
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  Speaker 2: home because everything seemed so normal. The TV was on
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  Speaker 2: and the pan of string beans that Maud had been
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  Speaker 2: snapping was sitting beside the chair.
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  Speaker 3: That she normally sat in.
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  Speaker 2: He looked all over the house for his wife and
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  Speaker 2: found nothing. Her clothes were still in the closet, her
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  Speaker 2: purse was in the living room, and there was money
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  Speaker 2: in the wallet. Her dog, who usually freaked out if
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  Speaker 2: anyone approached her, was unharmed and resting peacefully on the floor.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing was missing except Maud. It's as if she had
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  Speaker 2: literally stepped out of the room for a minute, but
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  Speaker 2: then she never came back. I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the
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  Speaker 2: clyde waited a couple of hours to see if mob
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  Speaker 2: would come back. Home after one, am he got in
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  Speaker 2: his truck and started driving around town to look for,
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  Speaker 2: her thinking maybe she had been involved in a car,
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  Speaker 2: accident but after no, luck the next day he reported
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  Speaker 2: her missing to The Camden Police. Department police came to
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  Speaker 2: the residence and searched the surrounding, area but they found
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  Speaker 2: no sign Of. Maud Maud crawford was born On june twenty,
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  Speaker 2: second eighteen ninety, one In, Greenville. Texas her mother died
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  Speaker 2: when she was nine years, old so she ended up
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  Speaker 2: moving To, Warren arkansas to live with her. Grandmother maud
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  Speaker 2: was smart and. Talented she thrived at her high, school
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  Speaker 2: where she was. Valedictorian she went on to college at
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  Speaker 2: The university Of arkansas At, bayble But maud dropped out
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  Speaker 2: after her first. Year she went on to get a
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  Speaker 2: job as a secretary at a law firm in nineteen.
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  Speaker 2: Sixteen maud had big dreams of becoming a, lawyer but
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  Speaker 2: at the, time the state Of arkansas did not allow
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  Speaker 2: women to practice. Law they were allowed into the state
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  Speaker 2: bar for the first time in nineteen, seventeen So maud
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  Speaker 2: had not gone to law.
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  Speaker 3: School she hadn't even graduated from.
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  Speaker 2: College But maud was determined to pursue a legal, career
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  Speaker 2: and she found a. Way at the, time you were
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  Speaker 2: allowed to sit for the bar exam without going to
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  Speaker 2: law school if you could prove you had the. Knowledge
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  Speaker 2: it was a system they called read for the.
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  Speaker 3: Law so that's What maud.
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  Speaker 2: Did she had a tremendous amount of. Knowledge so she
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  Speaker 2: sat for the bar exam in nineteen twenty seven and
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  Speaker 2: she passed that. Year she was admitted to The Arkansas State.
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  Speaker 2: Bar she became the first female attorney In. Camden not
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  Speaker 2: only did she pass the bar by the, way she
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  Speaker 2: scored the highest score on The Arkansas Bar. Exam maud
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  Speaker 2: made history in a lot of different. Ways she was
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  Speaker 2: also the first woman elected ever to The Camden City.
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  Speaker 2: Council she was very passionate about helping and mentoring. Women
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  Speaker 2: was a member of The business And Professional Women's, club
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  Speaker 2: The American Legion auxiliary and The Pilot, club among. Others around,
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  Speaker 2: town everyone knew her As Miss. Maud maud married her
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  Speaker 2: Husband Clyde Folwell crawford in nineteen twenty. Five from the,
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  Speaker 2: Beginning maud was the. Breadwinner clyde didn't really have a regular.
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  Speaker 2: Job he was described in media reports as a cabinet.
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  Speaker 2: Maker he did odd jobs assembling, furniture and he had
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  Speaker 2: a woodworking shop in the back of the. House maud
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  Speaker 2: And clyde never had, children but over the years they
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  Speaker 2: had a lot of borders in their, home mainly single
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  Speaker 2: young women in the Rambling colonial house and every Night
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  Speaker 2: clyde had a. Routine he would go to the movie
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  Speaker 2: theater The malco and sit through movies by. Himself according
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  Speaker 2: to media, reports some people around town said he would
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  Speaker 2: also sometimes spy.
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  Speaker 3: On the young couples who were making out in the. Dark.
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  Speaker 2: There people around town Thought clyde was a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Weird he would run around town by himself and drank
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  Speaker 2: pretty much every, night which even, now and especially back
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty seven could make a guy in a
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  Speaker 2: Small arkansas town the subject of speculation and. Gossip But
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  Speaker 2: clyde was cooperative with. Police they found no evidence to
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  Speaker 2: indicate that he was involved in any way In maud's.
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  Speaker 2: Disappearance if someone did Take maud against her will or
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  Speaker 2: lure her out of the, house what was their?
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  Speaker 3: Motive it was clearly not.
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  Speaker 2: Robbery since nothing was, missing there was zero evidence that
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  Speaker 2: foul play had happened at the. House maud had money
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and forty two dollars still sitting in her,
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  Speaker 2: purse which back then was a significant amount of. Money
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  Speaker 2: there was no sign of a struggle inside the, home
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  Speaker 2: so one early theory was That maud may have left,
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  Speaker 2: voluntarily or that she was lured out of the house by.
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  Speaker 3: Someone who wanted her.
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  Speaker 2: Gone Since maud's car was still there with the keys in,
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  Speaker 2: it presumably someone would have to pick her.
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  Speaker 3: Up but who and Why.
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  Speaker 2: The theory About maud leaving on her own became less
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  Speaker 2: and less likely as time. Passed if she wanted to
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  Speaker 2: leave of her own free, will it seemed unlikely she
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  Speaker 2: would literally walk out of her entire life and leave
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  Speaker 2: absolutely everything she owned, behind including her beloved, dog who
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  Speaker 2: never left her.
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  Speaker 3: Side police started reaching.
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  Speaker 2: Out to people who had recent contact With, bond and
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  Speaker 2: this was a long and varied list Because maud did
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  Speaker 2: legal work for a lot of people and some of
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  Speaker 2: them were very.
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  Speaker 3: Powerful one name that was mentioned WAS Us Senator john.
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  Speaker 2: McClellan senator McClellan was at the time chairman of A
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  Speaker 2: senate inquiry into organized, crime so one possibility that the
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  Speaker 2: police reportedly looked into was That maud might have been
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  Speaker 2: kidnapped by the, Mob but there was no threat or
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  Speaker 2: ransom note ever, received and the mob, theory in my,
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  Speaker 2: opinion didn't really make a ton of, sense because even
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  Speaker 2: if the mob wanted to Target senator, McLellan the link
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  Speaker 2: between him And Maud crawford was. Supertenuous they didn't even
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  Speaker 2: work at the firm at the same. Time two weeks
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  Speaker 2: After maud's, disappearance The Camden Police CHIEF Gb cole was
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  Speaker 2: quoted and The Camden news is saying we have not
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  Speaker 2: turned up a single. Clue The Arkansas State police were
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  Speaker 2: brought in to take over the. Investigation law enforcement continued
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  Speaker 2: to focus On maud's timeline the day of her, disappearance
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  Speaker 2: and they found she had had a lot going. On
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  Speaker 2: they talked To Ida Belle, Tinsley maud's sixty year old
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  Speaker 2: housekeeper who'd been working for her and her husband for fourteen.
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  Speaker 2: Years ida said she got to the home at four
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  Speaker 2: Fifty Clifton street at around eight. Am she told, Investigators
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  Speaker 2: maud spent the day working at the kitchen table on
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  Speaker 2: her legal papers like she usually. Did ida made some
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  Speaker 2: lunch and they ate together around, noon and Then maud continued.
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  Speaker 2: Working ida Said maud was still pouring over those papers
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  Speaker 2: when she.
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  Speaker 3: Left at around one thirty that.
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  Speaker 2: Afternoon ida told Police maud appeared to be completely.
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  Speaker 3: Normal she was in a good. Mood that.
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  Speaker 2: Day at around two THIRTY, pm someone who worked in
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  Speaker 2: a local furniture store came over To maud's.
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  Speaker 3: House she was there for a while measuring some.
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  Speaker 2: Drapes maud was really excited to finally be doing renovations
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  Speaker 2: on her, house she told the woman measuring the.
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  Speaker 3: Drape she had waited years to do.
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  Speaker 2: This she had also taken out a loan of several
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars to fund. It the fact that she was
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  Speaker 2: looking forward to this project and seemed happy was just
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  Speaker 2: one more reason why people didn't think she would just
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  Speaker 2: suddenly disappear. Voluntarily the furniture store employee Left maud's house
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  Speaker 2: at around four pm that. Day she later told police
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  Speaker 2: she didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. Either, then
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  Speaker 2: at five, Pm maud put a leash On dal and
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  Speaker 2: took him for a, walk which was part of their daily.
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  Speaker 2: Routine she stopped at a nearby corner store to buy.
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  Speaker 2: Groceries she grabbed some green, beans and when the clerk
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  Speaker 2: rang her.
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  Speaker 3: Up he talked To.
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  Speaker 2: Maud he said she made the purchase in a usual.
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  Speaker 2: Manner maud made a comment to the grocery store clerk
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  Speaker 2: about saving her some more beans For monday because of
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  Speaker 2: how much her husband liked. Them maud got home from
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  Speaker 2: that daily walk at five thirty. Pm since it had
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  Speaker 2: already started, raining the dog was. Wet the coat That
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  Speaker 2: maud was wearing was also, wet So maud took her
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  Speaker 2: wet clothes and shoes out on the back porch and
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  Speaker 2: left them. There she spread the coat over a chair
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  Speaker 2: so it would. Dry after, that it was. Dinnertime maud
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  Speaker 2: Cooked clyde a supper of steak and, eggs which he
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  Speaker 2: ate at six. Pm clyde left the house at around
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  Speaker 2: six thirty. Pm he drove his red truck To Main
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  Speaker 2: street And camden and parked in his usual spot right
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  Speaker 2: in front.
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  Speaker 3: Of Bird's jewelry.
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  Speaker 2: Store clyde then went into The Malco theater to see
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  Speaker 2: the movie among her other. Chores that, day back at the,
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  Speaker 2: House maud was getting ready for her, Cousin Martha, carver
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  Speaker 2: And martha's husband and three year old child to come
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  Speaker 2: visit that. Weekend martha and her husband were planning to
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  Speaker 2: spend That saturday night At, maud's But martha and her
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  Speaker 2: family went to a friend's house once they got to,
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  Speaker 2: Town So martha Called maud at around eight thirty pm
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  Speaker 2: and talked to. Her When maud asked if they were
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  Speaker 2: coming over that, Night martha said she and her family
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  Speaker 2: were going to stay at the friend's house, instead but
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  Speaker 2: she made plans With maud to have dinner on another.
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  Speaker 2: Night martha later told detectives that when she Told maud
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  Speaker 2: she wasn't coming over to the house that.
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  Speaker 3: Night maud sounded short with.
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  Speaker 2: Her When martha hung up the, phone she turned around
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  Speaker 2: and told her husband That maud was peeved at. Her
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  Speaker 2: that was the last known conversation that anyone had With
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  Speaker 2: maud at Around at the same time eight, Thirty clyde
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  Speaker 2: was coming out of the. Theater by the, Way since
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  Speaker 2: it's important to cover all bases during that crucial window
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  Speaker 2: of time After maud was last known to be, ALIVE
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  Speaker 2: i should say there's no definitive proof That clyde stayed
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  Speaker 2: for the whole. Movie police did try to verify, that
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  Speaker 2: but they reportedly didn't find a ticket or an usher
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  Speaker 2: or another person who could Say clyde was definitely. There
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  Speaker 2: but a lot of other people Saw clyde around town that.
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  Speaker 2: Night After clyde's movie ended at around eight, thirty he
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  Speaker 2: went to a newsstand where he talked to the, Owner Guy,
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  Speaker 2: pennington who was his good. Friend they chatted until around
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  Speaker 2: nine TEN. Pm Then clyde got back in his truck
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  Speaker 2: and drove To carter's liquor. Store he talked to another
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  Speaker 2: one of his friends there who worked At carter's and
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  Speaker 2: also had a few more. Beers while drinking his, Beers
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  Speaker 2: clyde watched THE tv at the liquor. Store now this
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  Speaker 2: sounds a little bit, odd but apparently this was part
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  Speaker 2: Of clyde's.
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  Speaker 3: Routine he went into the liquor store every night to WATCH.
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  Speaker 2: Tv, normally he would watch until exactly ten fifteen, pm
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  Speaker 2: when the weather report on the evening news. Ended but that,
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  Speaker 2: night after the weather, Report clyde started watching A tv
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  Speaker 2: movie and after about half an, hour at ten forty five,
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  Speaker 2: pm he made a comment about it getting.
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  Speaker 3: Laid he left and drove.
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  Speaker 2: Home clyde arrived home between eleven and eleven thirty pm
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  Speaker 2: to find all Of maud's stuff, there their Dog, dal
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  Speaker 2: who was usually high. Strung in, fact people were actually
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  Speaker 2: afraid to Approach maud's dog If maud wasn't with, him
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  Speaker 2: But clyde later told police that night the dog seemed totally,
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  Speaker 2: calm So clyde WATCHED tv at home for a little.
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  Speaker 3: While he wasn't worried at.
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  Speaker 2: First he thought Maybe maud had gone out with one
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  Speaker 2: of the four young women who board it. Upstairs sometimes
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  Speaker 2: she would go to the drive in with them or
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  Speaker 2: out to get some. Food he went into his bedroom
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  Speaker 2: and put on his, pajamas cracked open another, beer and
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  Speaker 2: started reading a detective, novel but he couldn't. Sleep at
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  Speaker 2: one fifteen, am when she still wasn't, back he looked
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  Speaker 2: at the newspaper to see if there was a late,
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  Speaker 2: show a midnight. Show he saw that there, was and,
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  Speaker 2: so thinking maybe she went to, That clyde got back
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  Speaker 2: in his truck and drove around again around the theater
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  Speaker 2: to see if he could Find maud, there but she wasn't,
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  Speaker 2: there so he came back home again and that's when
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  Speaker 2: he said he noticed That maud's car was parked at
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  Speaker 2: the rear of the, house where she always left it
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  Speaker 2: and where it had been two hours earlier when he
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  Speaker 2: first got. Home the garage is in the back of
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  Speaker 2: the house and it's a little bit of a walk
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  Speaker 2: between the house and the. Garage once he saw That
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  Speaker 2: maud's car was, There clyde got back in his, truck
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  Speaker 2: drove around town, again and when he didn't find her that,
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  Speaker 2: time he walked straight into The Camden police station and
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  Speaker 2: asked if there had been any car.
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  Speaker 3: Wrecks after he left the police.
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  Speaker 2: Station at around two twenty five, Am clyde went back.
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  Speaker 2: Home he stayed there until around four, thirty then he
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  Speaker 2: drove and did one more round of looking For. Maud
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  Speaker 2: the next, morning he started Contacting maud's, friends but no
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  Speaker 2: one had seen. Her that's When clyde called the police
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  Speaker 2: and officially Reported maud. Missing of, course police looked Into
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  Speaker 2: clyde as a. Suspect first of, all people in town
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  Speaker 2: thought he was. Odd clyde had.
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  Speaker 3: Served In World War one.
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  Speaker 2: And after he got back about ten years into his
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  Speaker 2: marriage With, maud so around twenty two years Before maud,
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  Speaker 2: Disappeared clyde had had a mental. Breakdown there are not
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  Speaker 2: a ton of details about what exactly happened With, clyde
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  Speaker 2: but he was very open about the fact that he
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  Speaker 2: had had a breakdown And maud had nursed him through.
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  Speaker 2: It after, That maud became more like a mother than
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  Speaker 2: a wife To, clyde and they started sleeping in separate.
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  Speaker 3: Bedrooms over the, Years maud And.
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  Speaker 2: Clyde got along really, well but they were an unconventional.
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  Speaker 3: Couple they had separate.
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  Speaker 2: Routines clyde's told Police maud lived her life and he lived.
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  Speaker 2: His according to police, documents investigators did explore the possibility
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  Speaker 2: That clyde might have planned her murder for a period of.
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  Speaker 2: Time they were suspicious because on That saturday, night the
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  Speaker 2: night When maud went, missing very, unusually all four of
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  Speaker 2: the boarders who lived upstairs With maud And clyde had
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  Speaker 2: other plans or were away that, Weekend and it does
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  Speaker 2: seem like quite a coincidence that between the cousin and
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  Speaker 2: the baby and the, borders there should have been at
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  Speaker 2: least four and as many as seven people in the
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  Speaker 2: house other Than clyde And maud that, night but for
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  Speaker 2: one reason or, Another maud and her husband were in
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  Speaker 2: the house. Alone but police struggled to find a reason
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  Speaker 2: Why clyde would Kill maud or, who if, anyone could
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  Speaker 2: have been out to get. Her there was a life
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  Speaker 2: insurance policy for ten thousand, dollars but even though that
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  Speaker 2: was more money in nineteen fifty seven than it is,
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  Speaker 2: now it's around one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars in today's,
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  Speaker 2: money it's still not a massive. Amount maud was the
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  Speaker 2: one bringing money into the, home and there's absolutely no
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  Speaker 2: indication That clyde had any other reason for wanting or.
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  Speaker 2: Gone in, Fact maud was clearly worth a lot more
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  Speaker 2: alive than, dead and on a personal, Level clyde seemed
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  Speaker 2: devastated by her. Disappearance police wondered If maud's legal career
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  Speaker 2: could provide some. Clues investigators review the cases that she
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  Speaker 2: had been working on in an effort to determine whether
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  Speaker 2: she had been involved in any disputes or litigation anything
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  Speaker 2: that might provide possible motive for foul. Play maud's career
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  Speaker 2: as a real estate attorney. Flourished she developed an outstanding.
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  Speaker 2: Reputation she worked on a lot of big oil deals
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  Speaker 2: and she was very well, respected but also had to
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  Speaker 2: deal with her share of, sexism including from the men
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: in her own law, Firm, gaggin McClellan And. Laney according
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: to wit'smen, reported these guys seemed to kind of not
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Let maud forget she started out as a. Secretary but
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: police didn't find any concrete information indicating that anyone had
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: been Threatening. Maud she had never made any comments about
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: being worried about her. Safety in, fact she had her.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Routines she lived her life pretty. Publicly officers checked with
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: transportation companies in The camden, area including taxi services and.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Buses they were trying to figure out whether she left
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: town using any of those, methods but they never found
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: any record that she had left on her.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Own once The.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Arkansas State police took over the, investigation they conducted searches
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: of roads and wooded areas inside and outside the city.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Limits they found no trace Of. Maud police did interview
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: a man Named Ray miller On march, night a week
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: After maud. Disappeared he claimed that he Saw maud on
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the evening Of march twenty, second nineteen fifty, seven that
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: she was near the Down town area at approximately eight thirty.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Pm he said when he Saw, maud she appeared to
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: be alone and that she seemed. Fine he said he
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: didn't talk To, maud but he said he recognized. Her
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: he knew her as the prominent attorney in. Town he
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: had seen her around on several occasions. Before police officers
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: tried to confirm this, sighting but they were unable to do.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: So maud's case was big.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: NEWS a reward was, announced THE fbi got, involved and
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: The governor Of, Arkansas Orval, faubus said he wanted to
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: be personally updated on the progress of this, case but
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: after a while it went. Cold in nineteen sixty, nine
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: The Probate court Of Washata county declared Maud crawford dead
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: and said she had likely been a victim of foul. Play,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: then in nineteen eighty, Six Beth, brokel an, actress screenwriter
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: and producer who was a native Of, camden came back
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: home and tried to help crack the. Case according To Ay,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: magazine best agent At cia told her.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: The story would make a great. Movie So beth had an.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Idea she was going to research this case and write
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: a screenplay about. It beth came To camden with a.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Plan that's what she Told Ay.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Magazine.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: QUOTE i planned to ask questions for three, weeks write
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: a rough draft of a screenplay in three, weeks and
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: return TO LA i learned within the first week that
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: the case had never been properly, investigated AND i decided
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: to forget the screenplay for the time being and put
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: on my investigative reporter hat.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Instead end. QUOTE i really relate To.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Beth when she said, that because there are a lot
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: of parallels between what she did and she experienced and
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: WHAT i. Experienced going back To arkansas to investigate The
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Rebecca gould case in twenty, eighteen even though it had
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: been thirty years Since man. Disappeared she found out a
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: lot of people were afraid to talk to, her and
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: she said she got. Threats beth wrote a series of
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: articles for The Arkansas, gazette but the story got bigger
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Than beth ever expected because after the first article was
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: published in The Arkansas, gazette the newspaper was threatened with
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: a lawsuit if they continued their, Coverage but to the newspaper's,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: credit The gazette back there. Reporter they kept publishing articles
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: over a series of five, months and best investigation centered
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: on someone who had been mentioned multiple times In maud's case,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: file a woman named Rose berg and her, family specifically her,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: nephew The Arkansas State Police Commissioner Mike. Berg aside from
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: her passion for her legal, Work Maud crawford had a
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: lot of hobbies and interests that kept her, busy and
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: in addition to her job at the law, firm she
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: was also paid to be the personal guardian to a
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: woman Named Rose Newman. Berg Rose berg was an elderly
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: woman who lived across the street From maud And.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Clyde she was very.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Sick he was sick, physically and she also suffered from,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: dementia so she needed care twenty four hours a. Day
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: maud normally stopped by the house two to three times per.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Day she paid the nurses and Helped rose with her legal.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Affairs rose was a very wealthy. Woman she had an
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: estate worth over twenty million. Dollars in nineteen fifty, five
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: two years Before maud's, disappearance there was a competency. Hearing
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: The Washatah County court Declared rose, incompetent And maud was
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: appointed her legal. Guardian Henry, Berg rose's, husband owned thousands
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: of acres of land and of fortune in, oil royalties
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: and other. Assets he And rose had no. Children When
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: henry died in nineteen fifty according To best's reporting in The,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: gazette he left his, Nephew, mike The Arkansas State police,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: commissioner a quarter of his. Fortune he left the rest
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: of the money to his Wife. Rose Mike burg allegedly
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: made comments to several people stating that he believed he
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: was entitled to the rest of the estate because he
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: had partnered with his uncle and other family members in
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: a venture Called Bird.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Brothers But rose made a will With maud's.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Assistance in that, will she left her entire fortune to
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: her three. Nieces mike was completely cut. Out maud Was rose's,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: adviser but she found herself in conflict not just With Mike,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: bird but with an attorney at her own law, practice
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: one who worked closely With Mike. Burg her colleague scited With.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Mike Mike burg challenged the, will and to back up
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: his claims That rose's will should be, Invalidated mike produced
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: real estate, documents documents that supposedly proved he owned some
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: of his aunt's. Land during best, investigation she located key
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: documents in The Hempstead County. Courthouse the first was a
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: landeed that transferred property From, rose who by then had
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: been declared and, competent to one Of mike's, employees and
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: then a second document later that same day transferring the
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: land from the that employee To. Mike beth claims That
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: mike promised two employees money for helping them with the
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: alleged document, scamp and then after the scheme was, completed
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: one of the employees apparently asked for his promise cut
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: of the, money But mike didn't come through with the
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: money that he, promised so in her, Reporting beth claimed
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the employee went To.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Maud and complained that he hadn't been paid By Mike.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Burr maud Confronted Mike Burg beth Told box sixteen. Quote
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: when she Left mike's, Office mike was heard, SAYING i
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: wish To god that bitch was. Dead she disappeared six
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: weeks later end. Quote Apparently maud figured out That mike's
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: real estate documents were, fraudulent And maud had been working
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: on getting those deeds declared null and. Void maud was,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: smart SO i believe she probably would have been. Successful
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: the evidence was there in black and, white and she
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: was preparing a lawsuit Against Mike. Burn according to the case,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: file police Interviewed rose's nurses because remember she had twenty
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: four hour nursing. Care they lived right across the street
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: From maud And. Clyde the nurse that was on duty
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: on That friday night Before maud Disappeared March, first said
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: That maud came over To rose's house at around seven
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: thirty or eight pm that. Evening she also came by
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: On saturday. Morning, now Normally maud would stop by two
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: or three times a, day but the nurse said that
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: was the last time that she saw her In rose's.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Home Beth brakel stated at a talk at The Fayetteville
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Public library in twenty twenty three that she believed someone
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: drove To maud's house between nine thirty and TEN, pm
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: and That maud left the home with that. Person so
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: why Wasn't Mike berg questioned at the, time this was
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: just one of many questions that were raised about the
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: case file and the status of the. Investigation it turned
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Out Mike berg was not only a person with a
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: lot of, money he also had a lot of.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Power he was the.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Head of The Arkansas State Police, commission which is made
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: up of seven, members all appointed by The governor Of.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Arkansas now at the, time The governor Of arkansas Was Arable,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: faubus and remember he was asking for personal updates on this.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Case the commission controls The Arkansas State, police So mike
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: was the guy in charge of the group that.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Was in charge of The Arkansas State.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Police this seems like a massive conflict of interest and one,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: that to my, knowledge was never. Addressed one of the
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: People beth interviewed Was Otis. Henley he was the ORIGINAL
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: asp detective on the. Case he said his investigation pointed
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: To Mike, burr and he said he reported what.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: He found to his, Boss Alan. Templeton after, That.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Otis Told beth he was, told, quote there's too much money,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: involved end, quote and that he later got taken off
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: the case and his case files. Disappeared beth claimed there
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: were other items potentially missing from the case, file including a.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Receipt clyde Sold maud's car after she, disappeared and the
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: buyer told police that he and a friend found a
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: grocery store receipt under the car's front. Seat they noticed
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: it was Dated march, second nineteen fifty.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Seven The devemont.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Disappeared they turned the piece of paper over and they
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: saw a phone number scribbled on, It thinking it might be,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Important dawn Told beth he gave the receipt to the.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Police he was told it would be added to the case.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: File it's unclear what happened to that. Receipt After Beth
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: brockel's articles were, published The Arkansas State police started working
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: on the case, again this time focusing On mike Burd
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: but a lot of time had passed and a lot
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: of the people who had been around and who could
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: potentially have had information were Debt one of the people
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: they most wanted to talk to Was Mike berg's, Bodyguard Jack.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Doris the prosecuting attorney Subpoenaed Jack, doris but he was
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: already terminally ill with. Cancer an officer showed up to question,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: him and he literally lee died right before law enforcement
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: had a chance to ask him any. Questions Mike berg
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: also passed. Away he died in nineteen seventy, five so
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: in the, end police never made any statements confirming his,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: guilt and no one was ever arrested or. Charged in
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty, One Beth brackel did an interview With mitch
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: McCoy Of fox Sixteen. News she told him she'd actually
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Met maud, once back in the early nineteen fifties when
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: she was in junior high. School beth said she remembered
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: going over To maud's house And maud being lovely and
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: kind to. Her beth said she Believes Mike berg's position
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: as An Arkansas State police commissioner played a key role
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: in him being.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Able to avoid.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Justice she Told fox sixteen quote he was used to
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: getting everyone to do what he wanted to, do either
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: by bribing him with gifts or by. Intimidation neither tactic
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: would work on matd craft end. Quote beth published reprints
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: of her articles in The gazette in a book Called
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: The disappearance Of Maud. Crawford she went on to write
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: two more. Books if you're interested in the, case they
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: go into much more detail than we can do, here
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: AND i highly recommend anyone with an interest in the
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: case check them. Out beth gives a lot more details
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: in her articles and books about the alleged real estate.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Fraud maud was in contact With rose's. Nieces she allegedly
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: told them she had information that would Expose mike's efforts
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: to falsify. Information rose died in nineteen sixty and after her,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: death her nieces were unable to locate the will That
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: maud assisted her.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: With there were supposed to be multiple.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Copies including one in a safety deposit, box but none wherever.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Found in the, End mike berg inherited the entire twenty
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: million dollar. Fortune he settled with the nieces a year,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: later giving them one hundred and eighty seven thousand dollars
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: each the. Rest there was a lot of circumstantial. Evidence
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: maud found documents showing That rose Transferred mike over twelve thousand,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: acres sixty two, properties and a bunch of oil. Royalties
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: and these documents Had rose's signature on, them but it
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: was described By beth as being a shaky. Signature and
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: remember this was After rose had been declared. Incompetent but
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: even with all, that police never made a case Against Mike.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Byrd neither he nor anyone else has been arrested in
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: connection With maud's disappearance And. Clyde maud's family and friends
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: in the community never learned what actually happened to. Her,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: eventually The Clifton street house was, sold so there's nothing
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: to Commemorate maud's many historic.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Achievements she doesn't even have a.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Gravestone Camden Mayor Julian latt has stated he hopes to
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: change that and to find a way to Honor maude's
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: memory in the near.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Future even with all.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Of the circumstantial evidence That beth, uncovered there is one
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: huge missing piece in this, puzzle and that Is maud's.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Body police Believe maud was killed shortly after she. Disappeared
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: When beth was asked if she had any theories about
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Where maud's remains might be, Buried beth said she thinks
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: police should search land belonging To Mike burgh's family in
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: an area Called Berg. Lake to this, Day Maud crawford's
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: body has never been. Found I'm Katherine. Townsend this Is
• 33:20
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• 33:24
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• 33:27
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• 33:31
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• 33:34
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• 33:35
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• 33:38
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