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Is it worth celebrating if the Pirates finally finish above .500? · Bucco Territory: A Pittsburgh Pirates Podcast

• 0:15
  Speaker 1: What's up everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of bucko territory presented to
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  Speaker 2: you by the foul territory network.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Noah Hiles. Joining me as.
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  Speaker 2: Always are my cohost, Josh Harrison and platinum key, AKA Mark.
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  Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, September 16th.
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  Speaker 2: We were recording this before the Roberto Clemente day game,
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  Speaker 2: which is why Mark is here in my apartment, in
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  Speaker 2: my office, uh, recording with me live here in Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 1: Josh is still back in his home in Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: Got a very simple show for today when you're thinking
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  Speaker 2: about the remaining storylines for this Pittsburgh Pirates team. As
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  Speaker 2: of the time we're recording, there's seven games out of
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  Speaker 2: the wild card. That's just probably not happening at this point.
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  Speaker 2: So what's the next best thing? It's finishing over.
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  Speaker 3: 500.
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  Speaker 1: Prior to Tuesday's game, they entered Tuesday's game, I should say,
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  Speaker 1: with a. 500 record.
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  Speaker 2: I want to basically highlight what that would mean if
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  Speaker 2: they finished above.
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  Speaker 1: 500 or below. 500.
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  Speaker 2: Mark, we're going to start with the positives here.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to start with you.
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  Speaker 2: What are the positives for a team like this for
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  Speaker 2: the fan base? I guess what's the fan base view
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  Speaker 2: for you? What, what are the, what's the good of
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  Speaker 2: this team finishing above 500? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is the best record we've seen from
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  Speaker 4: this team. in almost a decade, over a decade. So
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  Speaker 4: that alone is a positive. We've seen a lot of
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  Speaker 4: growth from young players, from Connor Griffin, from Esmeralda Valdez.
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  Speaker 4: You can see where this team's going long-term. And so
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  Speaker 4: I feel like that's the big positive takeaway from the season. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: the record wasn't as high as it should have been,
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  Speaker 4: but at least getting that 500 mark, learning how to
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  Speaker 4: win like that as a young ball club, and finally
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  Speaker 4: putting it together at least once so you can build
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  Speaker 4: off of it and go from there next year, assuming there.
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  Speaker 5: Is a next year.
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  Speaker 1: Josh, is there any validity to that?
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  Speaker 2: Like if you're a guy in this clubhouse and you're
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  Speaker 2: seeing what's been built after looking into the past, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: does that past context matter if you're a player on
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  Speaker 2: the Pirates?
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  Speaker 6: I think it does matter coming from a guy that
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  Speaker 6: experienced you know, being there when we broke the streak
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  Speaker 6: of 20 straight losing seasons, you say it's been a
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  Speaker 6: decade since they've finished 500. Yes, that matters. But at
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  Speaker 6: the end of the day, yes, winning the playoffs matter.
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  Speaker 6: But when you look at the grand scheme of things,
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  Speaker 6: if you haven't finished 500 in a decade and you
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  Speaker 6: end up finishing 500, that's telling you that, you know,
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  Speaker 6: maybe the tides are about to change. And You know,
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  Speaker 6: what you expect to happen year to year with getting
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  Speaker 6: better is finally going to happen because, you know, the previous,
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  Speaker 6: you know, previous years where you're not finishing 500, not
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  Speaker 6: even a chance. And here we were just a week
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  Speaker 6: ago saying that they still had a chance and opportunity.
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  Speaker 6: So it's like you were in the fight a little
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  Speaker 6: longer still. You know what I mean? So you do
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  Speaker 6: build off of that because when you have young teams,
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  Speaker 6: when you've had injuries, You know, you have to look
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  Speaker 6: at the positives. Not everything is negative. Granted, there's going
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  Speaker 6: to be some things that you need to improve on.
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  Speaker 6: But finishing 500, I think, is going to be a
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  Speaker 6: big step, especially when you mentioned they haven't done that
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  Speaker 6: in a decade. So that's a big deal. Now, if
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  Speaker 6: it's been a year or two, not a big deal. But,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you got to start making stepping stones to
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  Speaker 6: being a playoff team. And they had their chance this year,
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  Speaker 6: but just fell short.
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  Speaker 2: It's such a mental game.
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  Speaker 1: It's such a mental game.
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  Speaker 2: And when you can convince yourself like, Hey, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we were a couple of injuries away from being a
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  Speaker 2: playoff team. Um, I mean, the fans probably don't want
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  Speaker 2: to hear that. I mean, some of them will cling
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  Speaker 2: onto that and some of them will just say, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's just another excuse, but the guys in that clubhouse
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  Speaker 2: probably believe that they're saying, you know, if, Hey, if
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  Speaker 2: we had Connor Griffin at shortstop all year, if O'Neill
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  Speaker 2: was O'Neal there. If O'Neal was healthy this year, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like we probably would have made it. And for the
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  Speaker 2: guys inside the clubhouse, I think that's important because there
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  Speaker 2: were teams not too long ago that believed they didn't
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  Speaker 2: have any shot regardless of who was healthy and who
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  Speaker 2: was not. So for them to look around and say, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: this group is good enough to be in it. And
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  Speaker 2: we just got to keep building. We got to keep
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  Speaker 2: getting better. And there's reason to believe that this team
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  Speaker 2: can be better next year. Just even with internal improvement,
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  Speaker 2: you look at the jump Nick Gonzalez made this year. Um,
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  Speaker 2: Connor Griffin's going to be better next year. You have
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  Speaker 2: to assume that skeins is probably going to be better,
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  Speaker 2: or at least you would hope as Merlin Valdez, a
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  Speaker 2: full year of him, um, Ashcraft, Ashcraft.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. There, there, there is reason to believe it's better.
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  Speaker 2: So finishing over 500, uh, I think it's at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the day, the silver lining there is, okay,
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  Speaker 2: we're not far.
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  Speaker 1: We're not far.
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  Speaker 2: And at this time last year, it felt like they
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  Speaker 2: were so far away. And now they don't. And I
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  Speaker 2: guess that that's the big win. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 2: about the negative side of that next here on Bucko Territory.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so we just said all the good things, right?
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  Speaker 2: It feels good to see more wins than losses on
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  Speaker 2: the record.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the bad. Not good enough.
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  Speaker 2: Josh, I'll ask you again. If you were on this
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  Speaker 2: Pirates team where the team president came out and said
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  Speaker 2: the goal is to make the playoffs, period, full stop,
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  Speaker 2: and you did not make the playoffs, even though you
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  Speaker 2: had a winning record, would you feel like you had
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  Speaker 2: a good season?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, obviously guys are going to look in the
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  Speaker 6: mirror and personally guys are going to say, Oh, did
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  Speaker 6: I have a good season? There's that, but grand scheme
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  Speaker 6: of things, the ultimate goal is to make the playoffs,
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  Speaker 6: to give yourself a chance to play in a world series.
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  Speaker 6: And as we talked about finishing 500, you know, is
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  Speaker 6: a good thing for the organization, you know, from a
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  Speaker 6: standpoint of not having a winning season in over a decade,
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  Speaker 6: but it means nothing, you know, at the end of
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  Speaker 6: the day without making the playoffs. And for us, In 2013,
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  Speaker 6: I remember that was the biggest question is, oh man,
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  Speaker 6: are they going to break, you know, the, the, the,
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  Speaker 6: you know, curse of 20 straight losing seasons. And for us,
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  Speaker 6: we were like, I mean, we're on pace too, but
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  Speaker 6: it means nothing if we don't make the playoffs, you know, like, yes,
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  Speaker 6: it's cool to, you know, have a winning record, but, um,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you put so much grind into it from
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  Speaker 6: the minute spring training start, you know, starts an off season,
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  Speaker 6: you know, and to get to that point, you know,
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  Speaker 6: we weren't just satisfied with saying, oh, let's finish 500
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  Speaker 6: or finish above 500. And, you know, I'm sure those
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  Speaker 6: guys in that clubhouse, yes, finishing 500 may feel like
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  Speaker 6: a little bit of a relief to say, okay, we did,
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  Speaker 6: we're getting better. But, you know, if, if you don't,
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  Speaker 6: you know, get a chance to play in a post
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  Speaker 6: season and give yourself a chance to, you know, ultimately
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  Speaker 6: play in a world series, you know, you, you have
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  Speaker 6: to look at it to say, we did not accomplish
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  Speaker 6: our goal because getting in is part of it. If
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  Speaker 6: you don't get in, you don't even have a chance.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 6: As we mentioned, 500 is like, okay, cool, but if
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  Speaker 6: you're not doing anything to give yourself a chance to
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  Speaker 6: play in the postseason, it's almost like, hey, what did
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  Speaker 6: it really do? That's why 2013 was big. We were
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  Speaker 6: able to accomplish both.
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  Speaker 2: Mark, I have thoughts, obviously. I'll let you say your
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  Speaker 2: piece on this before I go off.
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  Speaker 4: I think 500 would have been really great for the
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  Speaker 4: past three, four years of Pirates games.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: This team was completely different. Those past teams never had
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  Speaker 4: a Ryan O'Hearn, never had a Brandon Lau. And now
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  Speaker 4: we're finally going in and it just didn't come to fruition.
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  Speaker 4: And when you have so many games that you lost
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  Speaker 4: on the margins, just so close, it's hard to look
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  Speaker 4: at this team and feel like 500 was good. This
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  Speaker 4: team was built to be better than 500. Obviously injuries
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  Speaker 4: and everything plays a part in that. But at the
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  Speaker 4: same time, this team was good enough, had enough talent,
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  Speaker 4: if they could have strung everything together. So I feel
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  Speaker 4: like it's disappointing. But at the same time, yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, in a way, you could argue this team
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  Speaker 2: exceeded expectations. Their win total in Vegas was 74.5 wins.
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  Speaker 2: They cashed that, so congrats to anyone who bet on that.
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  Speaker 1: But in reality, I mean, their goal was to make
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs. Like, that's, again... That's what they said. They
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  Speaker 1: told us all that.
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  Speaker 2: And so if we're going off of what their goal was,
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  Speaker 2: and it wasn't just the Travis Williams quote that we
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  Speaker 2: always love mentioning, it was Don Kelly said that all
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  Speaker 2: the players said that it's, it's playoffs or bust. And
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  Speaker 2: the reality is like what Mark said, if this was 2023,
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  Speaker 2: or 24, or even last year, you have a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more equity because you got to feel like you're
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  Speaker 2: building towards something. This is how 2024 should have ended, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: because 23, they took the step forward after some 100
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  Speaker 2: loss seasons and they got better.
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  Speaker 1: Some prospects came up, 24, they were in the mix.
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  Speaker 1: They ran out of gas. But if they could have
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  Speaker 1: had this nice little finish like they have this year
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  Speaker 1: and finish around 500, finish a game over 500, you
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  Speaker 1: would have felt like they were going in the right direction.
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  Speaker 2: When in reality, in 2024, they finished with the same
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  Speaker 2: win total that they did the year prior. And then
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  Speaker 2: they regress in 2025. So because of that stretch, and
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  Speaker 2: those are years four, five, and six in this rebuild regime,
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  Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, You do not have
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  Speaker 2: the equity to fall short in year seven, not without
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  Speaker 2: a playoff appearance, not without even a winning record. If
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  Speaker 2: your biggest crowning achievement seven years into a regime is
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  Speaker 2: finishing over 500.
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  Speaker 1: That's just not good enough. It's not good enough.
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  Speaker 2: And that shouldn't be good enough for any regime in
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  Speaker 2: any sport, in any era.
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  Speaker 1: That's just one winning season out of seven.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, like, yeah, they should have finished over 500,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, because They spent more money. They brought in talent.
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  Speaker 2: But again, that kind of goes back to, well, why
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  Speaker 2: wasn't this happening earlier? Why wasn't there a Ryan O'Hearn
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  Speaker 2: style transaction in 24 after the 23 season? Why didn't
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  Speaker 2: they make a Brandon Lau type trade heading into the
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  Speaker 2: 2025 season? I mean, it's just like, yes, you waited
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  Speaker 2: so long to really put your foot down to the
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  Speaker 2: floor and go after it. And so, okay, cool. If
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  Speaker 2: you want to wait six years to do that, that's fine,
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  Speaker 2: but it's got to work. And it didn't work enough.
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  Speaker 1: They got better. And that's the thing that I think
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  Speaker 1: some fans.
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  Speaker 2: Are having a tough time deciphering is they improved so
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  Speaker 2: much this season.
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  Speaker 1: They got better. There's no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 2: And After last year, where it felt like there was
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  Speaker 2: really no hope, there is some hope here. Connor Griffin's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a really good player, as Merlin Valdez
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  Speaker 2: is promising. The pitching staff, even if it disappointed this year,
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  Speaker 2: its floor is still super high. There are other guys
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  Speaker 2: on the way, and you're probably losing Brandon Lau, but
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  Speaker 2: you're probably going to.
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  Speaker 1: Be okay without him.
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  Speaker 2: There is reason to be excited. The team did get better,
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  Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, again, it's been
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  Speaker 2: more than a decade since they've played post-season.
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  Speaker 1: Baseball in Pittsburgh. That was the goal this year.
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  Speaker 2: And I know the national league was a lot tougher
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  Speaker 2: than the American league. I know there were injuries and obstacles,
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  Speaker 2: but you know what? The Brewers overcame it. The Brewers
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  Speaker 2: traded away some of their best players this off season.
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  Speaker 2: And they still were the first team to clinch in
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  Speaker 2: the national league.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there, there are other teams in baseball with
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  Speaker 1: payrolls lower than the pirates that are going to be
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  Speaker 1: in the playoffs this year. And some of them might
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  Speaker 1: be American league teams, but like, The point I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to make is that's baseball.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes your division's really good. Josh was on a team
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  Speaker 2: that won 98 games. In any other Major League Baseball season,
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  Speaker 2: that's probably the top seed.
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  Speaker 1: On either side of the bracket.
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  Speaker 2: They were in a one-game playoff to decide their fate
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  Speaker 2: because that's just how that baseball season went.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes you get injured. I believe it was with a
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  Speaker 1: team that won 97 games. Yes, exactly. And that's just
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  Speaker 1: how it goes.
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  Speaker 2: And prior to that era, that 97-win team wouldn't have
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  Speaker 2: even made the playoffs. It's just how the game goes.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes you're injured. Sometimes your superstars regress. Like the Pirates
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  Speaker 2: in 2016, Cutch had a really bad year. Sometimes guys
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  Speaker 2: get popped for steroids.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes just stuff happens. And that can happen in one year.
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  Speaker 2: It can't happen after six years of losing baseball where
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  Speaker 2: everything goes wrong. This wasn't a year where you had
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  Speaker 2: the luxury of tough breaks. You needed it to work,
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  Speaker 2: and it worked a little bit, but you didn't get there. So, yes,
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  Speaker 2: it's nice to look at a 500 record, especially considering
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  Speaker 2: the context of this organization. I believe since 1983, this
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  Speaker 2: was a stat by my pal Alex Stumpf, they've only
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  Speaker 2: had eight winning seasons. That is mind-numbing to think of.
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  Speaker 2: And Josh was on four of those teams. So there
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  Speaker 2: you go.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, come on, man.
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  Speaker 2: Like what else are you going to do? Like that's
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  Speaker 2: just not good enough. If you're not in the dance,
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  Speaker 2: you're not in the dance and that all. So to me,
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  Speaker 2: it's not good enough and it shouldn't feel good enough
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  Speaker 2: to anyone. It's okay to feel like they got better.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay to feel optimistic about the future. But when
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  Speaker 2: you look back at this team, the goal was playoffs
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  Speaker 2: and they're not making it.
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  Speaker 1: It's not good enough. We're going to wrap up the show.
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  Speaker 1: All right. We got some final thoughts here before we
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  Speaker 1: wrap this one off. Mark, you want to start off?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I just, with Roberto Clemente Day, I just felt
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  Speaker 4: it would be a little appropriate. I just want to
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  Speaker 4: get Josh's thoughts as a former nominee of the Pirates
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: for the Roberto Clemente Award. What does the Roberto Clemente
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  Speaker 4: Day mean to you as a ballplayer? What does that
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  Speaker 4: mean to just across MLB?
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  Speaker 6: Man, it's a very special day. And as we were
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  Speaker 6: getting ready to sit in here, final thoughts, I'm looking
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  Speaker 6: over to my left. I can see my 2017 Roberto
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  Speaker 6: Clemente recipient jersey. It's on the wall because it's one
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  Speaker 6: of my favorite awards that I've received. One, just everything
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  Speaker 6: he stood for, you know, he was always about helping people.
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  Speaker 6: In fact, you know, the tragic plane crash was him
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  Speaker 6: going to help people and You know, it's not my
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  Speaker 6: story to tell, but even you look how things come
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  Speaker 6: full circle. I believe Neil Walker's father was supposed to
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  Speaker 6: be on that plane as well. And he told him, no,
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  Speaker 6: you have a pregnant wife. So these things come full circle.
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  Speaker 6: And for Pittsburgh, what he meant to the city. And
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  Speaker 6: I remember when I was there, every Clemente day, we
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  Speaker 6: went to a school in Pittsburgh and we would deliver,
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  Speaker 6: you know, whether it's gym equipment, books or computers, bikes.
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  Speaker 6: It was always a cool day because, you know, We
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  Speaker 6: got to experience, you know, giving back as a team,
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  Speaker 6: you know, which is one of the things that Clemente
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  Speaker 6: was very big on. When that day gets, you know, recognized,
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  Speaker 6: you know, in years past, you'll start to see a
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: lot of Latin players all asked to wear 21. So
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  Speaker 6: it's one of those things where it's bigger than baseball.
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  Speaker 6: And we know anything dealing with sports, you know, sports
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  Speaker 6: is so important.
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  Speaker 1: Day to day.
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  Speaker 6: And, you know, it's a grind of wanting to win
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  Speaker 6: ball games. And yes, you want to win ball games,
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  Speaker 6: but when you take a day out to, you know,
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  Speaker 6: honor and celebrate, you know, the legacy of somebody that
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  Speaker 6: was so influential in the game of baseball, more than
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  Speaker 6: just the sport, just, you know, the game of life,
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  Speaker 6: you know, it's always been one of my favorite days
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  Speaker 6: and please excuse my dog up there.
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  Speaker 1: He was just echoing what you're saying. He was saying,
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  Speaker 1: preach Josh, you know, big, big fan of Clemente there.
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  Speaker 1: Any final thoughts, Mark?
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  Speaker 4: No, just looking forward to checking out some Clemente Day
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  Speaker 4: myself here at PNC Park. And nice to see you
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  Speaker 4: in person here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, good to see you in person.
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  Speaker 2: I have to make a correction for our last show
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  Speaker 2: when we talked about best wins of the year.
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  Speaker 1: I forgot the actual best game of the year was
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: the Wolf game. We did not mention that.
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  Speaker 2: That was actually a really good win over the Diamondbacks
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  Speaker 2: in extra innings. Yeah, that's all I really have to say.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Noah Heil signing off saying thanks for tuning in
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