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Jeff Legwold joins Moser, Lombardi and Kane 11-19-25 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  Speaker 1: Until ramas Law hotline car accident you need Rama's Law
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  Speaker 1: medical doctor and attorney ramos Law dot com or joined
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  Speaker 1: by Jeff Legwell, the ESPN dot com legy. How are
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  Speaker 1: we doing this morning?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good. Are you guys doing well?
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  Speaker 3: Do you know?
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  Speaker 4: I was going to ask you what you do during
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  Speaker 4: a bye week? But I know that you don't do anything.
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  Speaker 2: I do football.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff's a football robot, and that's why we love talking
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  Speaker 1: to him because he got all the info in part
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  Speaker 1: of what I want to ask, Leggy, is this statement
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  Speaker 1: incorrect that given the opponent in the situation, lack of
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  Speaker 1: your starting running back, was that Bo's best game of
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  Speaker 1: the year.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think his best game of the year against
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  Speaker 2: somebody that offered the most resistance. How about that? Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I mean that's I I thought, you know, his mechanics were,
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  Speaker 2: and you know we've all been talking a lot about that,
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  Speaker 2: but I thought, as mechanics were, we're better, uh. And
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  Speaker 2: it showed you know what what he can do when
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  Speaker 2: the mechanics are right. And you know that was without
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  Speaker 2: even really consistent you know, run game to slow people
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  Speaker 2: down in the pass rush. I think if they could
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  Speaker 2: even add a little more of that, it would it
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  Speaker 2: would help them a little more. But uh, but his
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  Speaker 2: mechanics were better, and I think that bodes well because
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna have to be now, you know, the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the way, you know, and if they're going to
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  Speaker 2: do anything in the postseason, if they you know, they
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  Speaker 2: get the postseason spot they want, if you're really going
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  Speaker 2: to make the most of it, he's gonna have to
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  Speaker 2: be at his best.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Legy, you just mentioned run game. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if they have the horses there now, do they? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: can julil McLoughlin. I'll give him credit. They gave him
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  Speaker 3: the ball in the red zone. He ran it between
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  Speaker 3: the tackles. I didn't envision him being that kind of
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  Speaker 3: running back, but that's exactly what he did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know Vic in college, he obviously it was
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  Speaker 2: a smaller school situation for him, but he was a
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  Speaker 2: high volume back in college, so that you know, there
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  Speaker 2: were questions about his height and his weight, but there
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  Speaker 2: weren't many questions about his physical durability when he came
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  Speaker 2: into the league. So I think he has that in him.
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  Speaker 2: It's just your you know, you're going to have to
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  Speaker 2: create a crease for him, but he will get through there.
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  Speaker 2: You know that there's just a little more of a
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  Speaker 2: responsibility from the offensive line to make room. He isn't
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  Speaker 2: really going to push the pile all that often, but
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  Speaker 2: if you give him the crease, he can do that
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  Speaker 2: type of thing. And I thought it was very telling that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he hadn't he had one carry all season
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  Speaker 2: before Sunday, and they didn't just put him back on
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  Speaker 2: the roster, they or put him back on the game
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  Speaker 2: day roster. They were giving him the ball. So I
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  Speaker 2: think they're going to look for him to be a
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  Speaker 2: bigger part of it. But this is really going to
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  Speaker 2: fall on Harvey. You know, it's really hard at this
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  Speaker 2: point in the year, especially now that practice squads are
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  Speaker 2: so much bigger than they were years ago. It's really
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  Speaker 2: hard to find a player out on the street who's
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  Speaker 2: going to have a significant impact for you. So a
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  Speaker 2: lot of your solutions are going to have to come
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  Speaker 2: in house, and you know, this solution with Dobbin's injury
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  Speaker 2: is going to have to fall to Harvey in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of ways.
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  Speaker 4: Jeff, when do I have your permission to stop worrying
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  Speaker 4: about the Chiefs and worry about other teams.
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  Speaker 2: I think the Chiefs are always so worry because they
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  Speaker 2: have they have the most proven, you know, championship quarterback
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  Speaker 2: in the in the get you know, they want to
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  Speaker 2: three super Bowls in a row. It's not like they
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  Speaker 2: don't know how to do this. But you know, the
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  Speaker 2: math is the math. And the Broncos really staggered them Sunday,
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  Speaker 2: and I think you could see how they played, how
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  Speaker 2: important they thought that game was. I mean, the Chiefs
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  Speaker 2: were slugging it out with the Broncos and it said
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  Speaker 2: a lot to me about the Broncos how they withstood that,
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  Speaker 2: because that that was a playoff tempo game, a playoff
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  Speaker 2: you know, attitude game from the Chiefs. That's that's why
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  Speaker 2: it looked the way it did, because that's how games
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  Speaker 2: in January often look. And I think that was one
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  Speaker 2: of the most impressive things for the Broncos that the
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  Speaker 2: Chiefs were playing. I think it was clear to them
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  Speaker 2: for a lot of their playoff life. And the Broncos
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  Speaker 2: still hung in there. But as long as they have
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  Speaker 2: Mahomes and there's a mathematical chance, I think they're always,
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  Speaker 2: you know, should be on people's minds.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff LEAGWELLDESPN dot com with this All Conversations with Leggie
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  Speaker 1: brought you at the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers iv
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  Speaker 1: W Local sixty eight. Start with the job and with
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  Speaker 1: the career. One of the things that we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: was better in this last game. But it felt like
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  Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton's just not being targeted as much as he
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  Speaker 1: should and he is behind Troy Franklin in targets this year.
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  Speaker 1: Is that a byproduct of the defense king on Courtland
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  Speaker 1: Sutton or is that something else?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you're basically seeing is every defensive coordinator
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  Speaker 2: I know would say the same thing is they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: make somebody else feed them. They don't believe right now
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  Speaker 2: yet if there's anyone else in the Broncos offense that
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  Speaker 2: they have to double cover. Now. You know, Broncos made
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  Speaker 2: some big plays down the field at key times against
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  Speaker 2: that strategy, but as of yet, no one's been willing
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  Speaker 2: to to, you know, stray from the double Courtland or
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  Speaker 2: Lean the safety. They're getting a lot of safety lean
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  Speaker 2: as they call it. And so that's gonna take bowl
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  Speaker 2: As through his progressions. That's going to take him away
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  Speaker 2: from Sutton. Now, you know, five years from now, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in a similar situation with another receiver, you know, would
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  Speaker 2: he probably go there more? I would think so. But
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  Speaker 2: as a young quarterback, when he sees the safety lean
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  Speaker 2: or the movement or what he thinks is is going
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  Speaker 2: to be help, he's going to go somewhere else with
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  Speaker 2: the ball because that's the way he's been He's been coached,
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of it is that. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: until defenses decide that maybe other people can hurt them,
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  Speaker 2: Sutton's going to have to sort of live with making
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  Speaker 2: the big moment catches when he finds the space, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in a zone or or you know, in some combo coverages,
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  Speaker 2: because he still makes those. You know, the third down
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  Speaker 2: catch may have been the biggest play anybody made in
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  Speaker 2: the game, and that came because he found a space.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that was the exact route. I think
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  Speaker 2: he just created a spot and both found him.
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  Speaker 1: Follow up on that. We were asking this question yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't want to be accusatory of anybody, but
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  Speaker 1: we know the impact that Marvin Mims has in the
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  Speaker 1: special teams game. Towards the second half of last season,
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  Speaker 1: it felt like he really found his place within the
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  Speaker 1: offense and now he's only getting six more snaps than
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  Speaker 1: little Jordan Humphrey. Is Sean Payton a height ist? Is
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  Speaker 1: he is he against anyone who's not six feet tall
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  Speaker 1: at that position?
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you're asking me personally, I guess i'd as
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  Speaker 2: a short guy who is on his list from time
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  Speaker 2: to time, I would say maybe that's possible. But I
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  Speaker 2: think Mims is like the great fer you to triangle
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  Speaker 2: mystery of the offense every year. I just watched him
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  Speaker 2: make players in practice and games, and I can't figure out,
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  Speaker 2: you know why you just don't try to get him
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  Speaker 2: the ball more other than gadget stuff. Yeah, it's like
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  Speaker 2: he sometimes I feel like he's punished sometimes when the
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  Speaker 2: gadget stuff doesn't work and it's like it's his fault.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's, you know, I think it was
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  Speaker 2: called at a bad time, you know. I think the
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  Speaker 2: guy is still an impactful player, and for a team
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  Speaker 2: that honestly struggles compared to some others to find explosive moments,
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  Speaker 2: I think he's a guy that could always provide him
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  Speaker 2: because you cannot be that good a return man and
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  Speaker 2: not have some ability to provide that to an offense.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think, at least in my time looking.
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  Speaker 5: At this, Leggie, I need to ask you if Sean
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  Speaker 5: Payton is playing chess to our checkers, because I heard
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  Speaker 5: something in an interview yesterday. John Elway was on with
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  Speaker 5: Ronza Polo and Woody and Tom Green after the Horn
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  Speaker 5: their podcast, and he was asked about Sean Payton, bow
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  Speaker 5: Nicks and all that business, and he mentioned he's got
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  Speaker 5: a very reliable source that all the screen passes we
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  Speaker 5: saw on that Giants game where people can playing screen
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  Speaker 5: screen screen, that Peyton may have done that by design
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  Speaker 5: simply to tire out the defensive front of the Giants.
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  Speaker 3: You're buying that.
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  Speaker 2: Not really, But I've always heard coaches tell me through
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  Speaker 2: the years that that's one of the by products even
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  Speaker 2: if they don't work. You know, it's like it's like
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  Speaker 2: when and you know, like play action works. Uh, even
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  Speaker 2: if you don't run the ball well as a team,
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  Speaker 2: you know it works anyway. So I think there is
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  Speaker 2: something to that, and I've always been told that. But
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he went into it thinking I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: call eleven screenplays and nine of them aren't gonna work,
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  Speaker 2: just so I can tire people out and be down
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  Speaker 2: by nineteen. You know that's pretty good chess. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be down by nineteen when the fourth quarter starts,
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  Speaker 2: and then they'll be tired and we'll really get after.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think i've shared that score.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah we said. We said that earlier too, Like if
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  Speaker 4: that's your game plan with it worked, but uh, little boy, right,
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  Speaker 4: that's like.
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  Speaker 2: I've had people who work for the Patriots tell me, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we we knew Tom Brady was awesome, and I said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's why he waited till the sixth round to take him,
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  Speaker 2: because you know he wanted those other guys first.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Jeffrey, Uh, what do other people say about the Broncos?
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  Speaker 4: Because we were talking earlier, I look at the Colts
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  Speaker 4: in and the Patriots, and I said to the guys, man,
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  Speaker 4: if I had to pick a team against those teams,
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  Speaker 4: I would pick the Broncos if they're playing a heads
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  Speaker 4: up today. That's my opinion. But how do people view
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  Speaker 4: the Broncos? Do you think? From outside?
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  Speaker 2: I think the folks I've talked to think right now,
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  Speaker 2: the Rams and the Broncos defensively are on another, you know,
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  Speaker 2: another level, from people. You know, if the Texans were
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  Speaker 2: having a little better time on offense and Stroud wasn't injured,
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  Speaker 2: you know their defense would be in that conversation too.
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  Speaker 2: And I know it didn't end well here and he
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  Speaker 2: took a lot of heat, but uh unprompted I get
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  Speaker 2: more discussion these days at the strategic and timing awesomeness
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  Speaker 2: of Vance Joseph right now, he is. He is on
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  Speaker 2: the heater of heaters, and defensive coaches I know very
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  Speaker 2: well who know Dvance are just basically saying he's calling
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  Speaker 2: everything at the right time. You know, they won three
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  Speaker 2: games without Cirtaan, I mean, and they didn't even give
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  Speaker 2: up twenty points in any game without Cirtaan. He is
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  Speaker 2: really when you talk to people, most people say he's
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  Speaker 2: he's the guy viewing you know, the Broncos and that
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  Speaker 2: if they could get any offense right now, you know
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  Speaker 2: they they would be a Super Bowl favorite if their
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  Speaker 2: offense was was even what it you know what it
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  Speaker 2: was at the end of last season.
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  Speaker 1: So how many de coordinators send a corner blitz on
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  Speaker 1: third and eleven on the homes the game online.
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  Speaker 2: And not just send it but design it so well
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  Speaker 2: Mahomes is stunned. Yeah, I mean, tell me, really, what
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  Speaker 2: hasn't Mahomes seen in a big game situation in their
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  Speaker 2: run and he he was stunned at that play and
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  Speaker 2: to save that all the way to the end of
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  Speaker 2: the game, that's just that's just strategic. You know, we
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  Speaker 2: often talk about, you know, how much different can coaches
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  Speaker 2: really make, and it is talent ultimately that wins. But
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  Speaker 2: that's an example of when you have talent, knowing what
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  Speaker 2: to do with it is really something. But he you know,
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  Speaker 2: and again I know, you know he was he was
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  Speaker 2: fired here and people didn't like the ten year and
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  Speaker 2: you know, people made fun of his press conferences. The
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  Speaker 2: dude can coach ball, and he could coach ball then,
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  Speaker 2: but he's got talent now and look what he can
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  Speaker 2: do with it.
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  Speaker 5: Jeffrey Kevin Stefanski just moments ago announced as conference that
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  Speaker 5: Shador Sanders will start this week and he'll get first
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  Speaker 5: team reps. How much of a difference do you think
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  Speaker 5: they'll make I'll make for that young man.
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  Speaker 2: It's it will make some good difference. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 2: nothing tougher than not getting any reps uh in practice
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  Speaker 2: and having to get chucked into a game. Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: try and say, you know, basically save us. You know
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  Speaker 2: with it. We didn't. We didn't help you during the week,
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  Speaker 2: but get out there and save us. So I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: shocked he looked the way he did uh last week,
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  Speaker 2: so it should help him. But you know, whatever they do,
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  Speaker 2: they have to convince that young guy to get the
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  Speaker 2: ball out of his hands. I mean, that's NFL football.
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  Speaker 2: You got to get it out of your hands and
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  Speaker 2: you know, live for the next play. Get it. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Peyton Manning told me a long time ago there are
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  Speaker 2: times in the NFL a punt is not a bad play.
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  Speaker 2: Just just get on uh legy.
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  Speaker 1: Last question for you, is there all twenty twoage of
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  Speaker 1: Carl Mecklenberg from back in the day?
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  Speaker 2: Nor I have seen game film of Randy? Yes, I
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  Speaker 2: have seen it, but it's not the quality we're used to.
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  Speaker 1: Mosher has commanded everyone to watch the all twenty two
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  Speaker 1: of Randy.
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  Speaker 4: I've met game film from back in the day. They're
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  Speaker 4: trying to convince me there's no game film from seventy seven,
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  Speaker 4: said Trap. Well, okay, well whatever, But anyway, the point is, Jeff,
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  Speaker 4: you made the point that look that people couldn't believe
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  Speaker 4: that he had that moody tackles. Well, he was a
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  Speaker 4: badass and he tackled everything that came his way. So
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  Speaker 4: what do you want me to tell people? Right?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it seems like an odd argument in November.
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  Speaker 4: I agree that these guys are idiots. I completely agree
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  Speaker 4: with you.
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  Speaker 2: I don't you guys, You guys surprise. You know, you're
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  Speaker 2: like Mance. You bring a surprise at me once in
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  Speaker 2: a while, and I'm you know, I'm in the pocket.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to handle my business.
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  Speaker 1: It stemmed from Lakers fans are accusing the statians of
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  Speaker 1: padding Jokic's assist numbers, and then we made the comparison,
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  Speaker 1: or the boys made the comparison of That's like the
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  Speaker 1: argument with Randy gratish Are and his tackles.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the tackles are tough thing, because I will say
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  Speaker 2: I have seen teams where guys have more tackles than
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  Speaker 2: they had defensive plays on the field. So that's always
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  Speaker 2: a little.
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  Speaker 4: Tackles.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, no, man, I have I have encountered in
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  Speaker 2: my Hall of Fame research on guys, there were some
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  Speaker 2: guys who were credited with more tackles than plays than snacks,
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  Speaker 2: So I'm always a little confused by that. But maybe
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  Speaker 2: they gave them the solo and the assist at the
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  Speaker 2: same time. But I don't know. I feel like I've
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  Speaker 2: watched enough of Nicole and to think that nobody's padding
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  Speaker 2: his stats because they don't have to. And and how
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  Speaker 2: about they call a foul like once in a while.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's really funny, Leggy, the more I think
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  Speaker 1: about it, like, if you were somebody who was so
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  Speaker 1: good at what you do, the only thing they can
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  Speaker 1: accuse you of is statisticians helping you out their statisticians.
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  Speaker 2: That means you're really good. Yeah. People used to say
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  Speaker 2: it about ray Lewis all the time. The Ravens used
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  Speaker 2: to take all kinds of heat for ray Lewis's tackle statistics.
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  Speaker 2: And then I'd watch ray Lewis play and I'd say, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, if they want to give him another
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  Speaker 2: couple of assists, that those other three plays were probably
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  Speaker 2: worth it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding. Jeff Lakewald ESPN Gunwes every Thursday. Thank you, Leggy.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks both say it