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The Kenny Report | 30 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Laura from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister Anthony ALBANIZI bunkering down. He's hiding from the
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  Speaker 3: cameras as the Quantus upgrade scandal deepens in the US election.
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  Speaker 1: The final run home has begun and.
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  Speaker 3: President Joe Biden has entered the fray, only to upset
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  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris's campaign and fire up the Republicans. I'll cross
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  Speaker 3: to Christen Tate later. Also the pandemic management fiasco. More
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  Speaker 3: on all the overreach we've been calling out right.
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  Speaker 1: The way along.
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  Speaker 3: I'll catch up with a Professor Gigi Foster, and the
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  Speaker 3: inflation fallout with Shadow treasurer Angus Taylor. Also his ballad
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  Speaker 3: names a new leader I'll talk to Peter Jennings. And
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  Speaker 3: the Wednesday wrangle too. Let's get cracking. The Prime Minister
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  Speaker 3: is in hiding today under a cloud over whether he's
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  Speaker 3: breached the Ministerial Code of conduct by allegedly asking for
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  Speaker 3: upgrades from quant Us for personal travel, and that of
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  Speaker 3: itself would be a breach of the ministerial rules, but
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  Speaker 3: which is made worse by the fact that he was
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  Speaker 3: Transport Minister for some of these upgrades responsible for the
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  Speaker 3: regulation of the airline industry. So there's a clear conflict
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  Speaker 3: of interest at play, and clearly reasons for Quantas to
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  Speaker 3: want him on side, and more to the point, are
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  Speaker 3: clear even unspoken pressure on Quantas to agree to any
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  Speaker 3: requests made to them.
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  Speaker 1: That's why this stinks. It stinks to high heaven.
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  Speaker 3: And the Prime Minister kept out of sight today but
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  Speaker 3: not out of mind.
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  Speaker 4: He's done a number of interviews this week and Sunday,
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  Speaker 4: certainly I think yesterday from memory, and so he's made
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  Speaker 4: himself available as he often does, to answer these sorts
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  Speaker 4: of questions.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he was asked the questions yesterday, sure, but he
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  Speaker 3: never answered them. He talked about trusts and other people
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  Speaker 3: getting more upgrades than him, and TV shows taking free flights,
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  Speaker 3: but he never answered the key question about whether or
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  Speaker 3: not he had asked Quantas for upgrades. He didn't deny it,
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  Speaker 3: he didn't confirm it. He simply obfuscated, leaving his treasurer
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  Speaker 3: to wear the pain.
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  Speaker 5: Today pamphony of an easy sort or accepted upgrades for
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  Speaker 5: private travel. He'd been breach of his own ministerial code
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  Speaker 5: of conduct. And also he Transport Minister in breach at
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  Speaker 5: the Rudd Gillard Ministerial Code of conduct. Isn't that unethical conduct?
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe so.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that the Prime Minister has gone out
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  Speaker 4: of his way multiple occasions this week to answer questions
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  Speaker 4: about this issue. I don't have anything to add to
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  Speaker 4: the answers that he has given.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's a problem right there. If Albernez he did
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  Speaker 3: ask for upgrades as a minister, then Charmers is plainly
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  Speaker 3: wrong because that clearly would be a breach of the
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  Speaker 3: ministerial guidelines.
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  Speaker 1: The standards of.
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  Speaker 3: Ministerial ethics in operation when Albanesi was Transport Minister has
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  Speaker 3: exactly the same wording as the current ministerial code. That is,
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  Speaker 3: ministers can accept gifts, but they must not seek or
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  Speaker 3: encourage gifts in their personal capacity. And yesterday the Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister's non answer left this crucial question hanging.
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  Speaker 6: Did you call Alan Joyce personally for these upgrades?
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  Speaker 7: But the idea cornas have a number in terms of
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  Speaker 7: bookings that are private bookings.
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  Speaker 1: What is that number? Who answers it, who has access
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  Speaker 1: to it?
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  Speaker 3: Other politicians are unaware of it?
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  Speaker 1: So very telling, isn't it?
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  Speaker 3: And there's another answer from the yesterday that I want
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  Speaker 3: to replay to you today.
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  Speaker 7: There's no accusation being made with any specifics at all
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  Speaker 7: about any of this. None, none, none.
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  Speaker 3: But there is a specific allegation, and it comes directly
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  Speaker 3: from Joe Ashton's book The Chairman's Lounge, where he says,
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  Speaker 3: according to Quantus insiders, Albanesi would liaise with Joyce directly
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  Speaker 3: about his personal travel. While other Quantus executives could authorize
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  Speaker 3: space available upgrades in flight bookings, meaning an upgrade would
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  Speaker 3: occur only if there was an empty business or first
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  Speaker 3: class seat after check in had closed. Only Joyce could
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  Speaker 3: issue confirmed or guaranteed upgrades the kind that Albanzi.
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  Speaker 1: Was treated to.
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  Speaker 3: So there it is a specific accusation and the specific
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  Speaker 3: questions that Albanzi needs to answer are these, did Alberanzi,
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  Speaker 3: as Transport Minister, request Quantus upgrades or have his staff
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  Speaker 3: request upgrades for personal travel? The Prime Minister except that
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  Speaker 3: this would be a breach of the standards of ministerial
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  Speaker 3: ethics in place at the time and the Ministerial code
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  Speaker 3: in place now.
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  Speaker 1: And did the Prime.
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  Speaker 3: Minister's cozy relationship with Quantus influence the government's decision last
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  Speaker 3: year to block additional landing slots for Qatar Airways.
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  Speaker 1: Peter Dutton put it this way.
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  Speaker 8: When he was Transport Minister of our country, did he
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  Speaker 8: pick the phone up to the CEO of Quantus and
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  Speaker 8: ask for a free upgrade? That's the question that he
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  Speaker 8: refuses to answer. Now he can tie himself in all
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  Speaker 8: sorts of knots, but the reality is that he needs
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  Speaker 8: to answer that fundamental question.
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  Speaker 1: Ptastic of tax malabs.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks really appreciate.
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  Speaker 3: The Prime Minister's strategy is obvious. First, he lashed out
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  Speaker 3: of the author, accusing him of hiding his past employment
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  Speaker 3: by liberal ministers and Quantus connections that are not well
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  Speaker 3: known to everyone in politics and the media, but which
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  Speaker 3: are upfront from page one of his book Whoops. Then
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  Speaker 3: Alberze lashed out at other politicians, especially Peter Dutton, trying
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  Speaker 3: to smear him for accepting a free flight from Gina
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  Speaker 3: Reinhardt to a celebration of her company's anniversary in the Pilborough.
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  Speaker 3: The Prime Minister must have forgotten that he's accepted a
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  Speaker 3: lift in a helicopter from another squillionaire, Lindsay Fox, to
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  Speaker 3: attend his Mornington Peninsula mansion for a barbecue. But The
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  Speaker 3: point is, as well as getting some of this stuff wrong,
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  Speaker 3: these are not rebuttals from Alberanizi. There just desperate efforts to.
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  Speaker 1: Muddy the waters.
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  Speaker 3: Now he wants his colleagues to say that he's answered
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  Speaker 3: all the questions and he's hoping that the pandemic report
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  Speaker 3: and the inflation numbers and the US election will distract
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  Speaker 3: everyone long enough for this issue to die down. But
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  Speaker 3: it's unlikely to. Parliament sits next week and there will
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  Speaker 3: be questions. He could be hauled before a parliamentary committee
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  Speaker 3: and he could be referred to the new National Anti
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  Speaker 3: Corruption Commission. This should be referred to the Anti Corruption Commission,
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  Speaker 3: which leads me to one other observation.
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  Speaker 1: Where are the tills?
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  Speaker 3: Remember they were all about integrity and politics. Shouldn't they
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  Speaker 3: Shouldn't they be out there demanding answers. Shouldn't the teal
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  Speaker 3: MPs be leading the charge to force the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 3: to come clean or have him referred to the Anti
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  Speaker 3: Corruption Commission? Have you heard from Zarie Stegel or Zoey
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  Speaker 3: Daniels or Manique Ryan anyone Alegors spender at least sent
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  Speaker 3: out a tweet criticizing the cozy relationship between Albanesi and
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  Speaker 3: former Quantity CEO Alan Joyce.
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  Speaker 1: She said it created a perception of.
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  Speaker 3: Conflict and it certainly does the semi quasi kind of
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  Speaker 3: till Senator David Pocock, well, he couldn't avoid a question
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  Speaker 3: on the TOMIC on this topic and it was as
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  Speaker 3: weak as water.
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  Speaker 9: Would you personally considers any of the referral to the
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  Speaker 9: NAP I won't be referring this as I said, I
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  Speaker 9: think this is an important thing. There are questions to answer,
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  Speaker 9: but don't let this distract us from the bigger issue.
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  Speaker 9: We should actually have a broader discussion about reform when
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  Speaker 9: it comes to gifts, when it comes to lobbying, when.
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  Speaker 3: Well, asking for gifts is already against the code, doubly
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  Speaker 3: so when you're hitting up a company whose industry you regulate.
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  Speaker 3: If politicians like Pocock won't ensure the current code is enforced,
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  Speaker 3: then what's the point of our broader discussion about reform
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  Speaker 3: and what's the point of the tials if they get
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  Speaker 3: elected promising integrity but then just sit back because the
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  Speaker 3: finger is pointed at their own green left side of politics.
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  Speaker 3: We haven't heard the last of this, not by a
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  Speaker 3: long shot, and the political pressure on Albanese will intensify
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  Speaker 3: as his own colleagues and the Tials and even the
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  Speaker 3: Greens start to realize that the Prime Minister's refusal to
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  Speaker 3: be accountable puts them all under the pump for writing
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  Speaker 3: shotgun alongside him. Just on inflation, the figures came out
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  Speaker 3: today and on the face of it, they were good news.
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  Speaker 1: Inflation on all readings is.
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  Speaker 3: Down and on the headline number it's below three percent.
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  Speaker 3: That is within the Reserve Bank's target range. But on
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  Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank's preferred measure of trimmed mean inflation it's
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  Speaker 3: still at three and a half percent, So the Treasurer
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  Speaker 3: is pretty pleased with himself.
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  Speaker 4: Headline inflation is now back in the Reserve Bank's target
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  Speaker 4: band for the first time since twenty twenty one. When
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  Speaker 4: we came to office, inflation was much higher and rising.
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  Speaker 4: Now it is substantially lower and falling.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The trouble is that much of the fall and inflation
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  Speaker 3: has come from the lower power prices, artificially lowered by
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  Speaker 3: billions of dollars in extra government spending via the power rebates.
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  Speaker 3: Now they helped, for sure, they're lowering power bills, but
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  Speaker 3: that's unlikely to encourage the Reserve Bank to cut interest
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  Speaker 3: rates because they know this stuff isn't real. The major
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  Speaker 3: floor I pointed out back when all this was announced
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  Speaker 3: in the budget. The big trick of this budget, the
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  Speaker 3: attempted con is a huge gamble. Labor is hoping that
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  Speaker 3: the three hundred dollars per household power rebate, money paid
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  Speaker 3: directly to your electricity provider to keep your bill lower,
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  Speaker 3: will trigger an artificial reduction in inflation, push inflation down
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  Speaker 3: with taxpayers money, and they think that that might trick
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  Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank into lowering rates. Now, surely this is
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  Speaker 3: unlikely because the bank knows that this doesn't do anything
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  Speaker 3: about the underlying cause of high electricity prices, and it
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  Speaker 3: knows that when the rebate cuts out, then that cost
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  Speaker 3: is going to go straight back onto consumers. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: so it turns out to be Labor has spent three
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  Speaker 3: and a half billion dollars of your money to create
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  Speaker 3: an artificial dip in inflation. And that's what you're seeing
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  Speaker 3: right now.
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  Speaker 4: Inflation at two point eight percent is the lowest in
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  Speaker 4: almost four years. We are making welcome and encouraging progress
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  Speaker 4: in the fight against inflation, but we know that Australians
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  Speaker 4: are still doing it tough.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're doing it tough mainly because of interest
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  Speaker 3: rates and power prices, and therefore lots of other prices
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  Speaker 3: will head up again when the rebates run out, putting
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  Speaker 3: more pressure on families and on interest rates, and that
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  Speaker 3: is scheduled to happen when.
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  Speaker 1: Well, just after the federal election. What a coincidence. Let's
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  Speaker 1: catch up with the.
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  Speaker 3: Shadow treasurer Angus Taylor now joining me live from gold
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  Speaker 3: and thanks for joining us, Angus.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get to inflation first up. The number is low,
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  Speaker 1: the headline figure in the target.
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  Speaker 3: Will the Reserve Bank be tempted to lower interest rates
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  Speaker 3: within the next couple of months.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for having me, Chris.
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  Speaker 11: But the truth is that you won't hoodwink the Reserve
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  Speaker 11: Bank with a temporary subsidy. They'll look straight through this.
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  Speaker 11: We know this because they've already said it. They're not
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  Speaker 11: going to take that into account. And when you look
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  Speaker 11: at the underlying measures, when you look beneath the bonnet,
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  Speaker 11: there is still a long way to go to get
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  Speaker 11: back to a strong, growing, low inflation economy. We see
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  Speaker 11: services as inflation, which is a really critical measure for
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  Speaker 11: the Reserve Bank still well above four percent non tradable inflation.
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  Speaker 11: That's the homegrown inflation again of four percent, and we're
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  Speaker 11: well outside of the target.
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  Speaker 2: We're also at the back of the pack and.
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  Speaker 11: Dealing with this core inflation, and we're at the back
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  Speaker 11: of the pack in terms of interst rates coming down.
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  Speaker 11: They've come down in Europe, they've come down in the
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  Speaker 11: United States, in the UK, in the UK, in Canada,
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  Speaker 11: in New Zealand, not in Australia. We have a long
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  Speaker 11: way to go here and the reserve backers, I say,
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  Speaker 11: won't be a hoodwinked. And as you rightly say, Chris,
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  Speaker 11: what we will see when these temporary subsidies come off
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  Speaker 11: is a big surge in electricity prices. We know that
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  Speaker 11: the underlying electricity prices since labor came to power have
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  Speaker 11: gone up by thirty three percent, and that's a huge
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  Speaker 11: hit to Australians. But the price of everything else has
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  Speaker 11: also gone up. Prices aren't coming down.
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  Speaker 2: None of that.
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  Speaker 11: Insight, and we've got a long way to go before
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  Speaker 11: we have a real relief in terms of inflation and
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  Speaker 11: interest rates.
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  Speaker 3: I had to laugh at the treasurer of Jim Chalmers
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  Speaker 3: yesterday attacking the Coalition for COVID pandemic spending all the
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  Speaker 3: stimulus during the spending because, of course the COVID report
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  Speaker 3: has now pointed out how inflationary that was. Jim Charms
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  Speaker 3: tried to lay the blame then on the Coalition for
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  Speaker 3: current inflation, but he seems to forget that he and
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Albaneasy were always urging the Coalition to spend more.
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  Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
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  Speaker 7: There's a clear case for job Keeper to continue at
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  Speaker 7: the current rate, whilst the current rate of unemployment is there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'd like to.
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  Speaker 7: See job Keeper stay where it is prior to today,
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  Speaker 7: for these cuts not to happen.
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  Speaker 4: When the government cuts job Keeper at the end of
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  Speaker 4: this month, it will cut jobs. It's as simple as that.
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  Speaker 4: Cutting job Keeper is a ticket to unemployment for too
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  Speaker 4: many Australians.
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  Speaker 1: So labor are hypocritical.
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  Speaker 3: They're arguing two sides of the coin there, so put
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  Speaker 3: them to one side though, and look at what we
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  Speaker 3: can see in that COVID report.
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  Speaker 1: Now, isn't it the.
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  Speaker 3: Case that, perhaps pushed by the States locking down harder
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  Speaker 3: and longer, you were forced to pump way too much
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  Speaker 3: similars into the economy and that's a large reason we
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  Speaker 3: have seen this inflation problem.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris, although let me put a different point of view.
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  Speaker 11: I mean it's a pathetic and desperate series of comments
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  Speaker 11: we've seen from Charmers in the last forty eight hours.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, it just tells you how hopeless he uses
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  Speaker 11: the treasury. He wants to blame everybody. It's international factors,
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  Speaker 11: it's the coalition as never him, let me tell you.
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  Speaker 11: But the truth is they wanted to spend eighty one
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  Speaker 11: billion dollars more and spending now in Australia is higher
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  Speaker 11: than it was at the peak of COVID.
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  Speaker 2: So labor has.
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  Speaker 11: Learnt nothing, They understand nothing, They don't get the economy.
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  Speaker 11: And we've got a Prime minister right now who, frankly,
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  Speaker 11: rather than wanting to upgrade the standard of living of Australians,
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  Speaker 11: just wants to upgrade his flights.
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  Speaker 1: This is a guy, This is a.
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  Speaker 11: Guy who is focused on the perks of the job,
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  Speaker 11: not doing the job. And that's why we've got an
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  Speaker 11: inflation crisis in this country which is continuing to rage,
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  Speaker 11: which they haven't beaten. And where we're and this is
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  Speaker 11: the real measure, we are at the back of the
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  Speaker 11: pack and dealing with this around the world, as I
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  Speaker 11: just said, and that's because labor simply hasn't done what
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  Speaker 11: needed to be done as we came out of the pandemic.
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  Speaker 3: You've preempted my final question, my final topic, and I
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  Speaker 3: think we'll hear that line many more times. Instead of
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  Speaker 3: upgrading our standard of living, he's upgrading his airline tickets.
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  Speaker 3: But how are you as an opposition going to force
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  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister to answer this question about whether he
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  Speaker 3: asked for upgrades or not. He's absolutely refusing to answer
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  Speaker 3: it so far.
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  Speaker 11: Well, we'll keep asking it until he answers it. I
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  Speaker 11: mean he needs to answer it. As Peter Dutteley rightly
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  Speaker 11: pointed out, the question here is when he was Transport minister.
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  Speaker 11: When he had that role, did he pick up the
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  Speaker 11: phone and speak to Alan Joyce and ask for an upgrade?
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  Speaker 11: And as you rightly pointed out in your introduction, that
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  Speaker 11: would clearly be a breach of the ministerial code. He's
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  Speaker 11: refused to answer that question. We will keep asking that
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  Speaker 11: question and we certainly hope that others will as well,
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  Speaker 11: because it is a question that must be answered.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Well in terms of them.
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  Speaker 3: That must be in terms of parliamentary tactics and trying
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  Speaker 3: to get him to appear before committees and the rest
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  Speaker 3: of it. Surely you can expect the Greens and the
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  Speaker 3: Tills to line up because they also they stand for integrity.
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  Speaker 11: Well, we're starting to see their true colors, aren't we,
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  Speaker 11: And those colors seem to be green and red. That's
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  Speaker 11: the reality of what we're seeing right now. The Tills
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  Speaker 11: are not interested in this issue when it's on their
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  Speaker 11: side of politics, and they are on the green left
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  Speaker 11: side of politics. Lift clear, and that has become very
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  Speaker 11: clear in the last twenty four hours.
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  Speaker 1: Sure has. Thanks for joining us, Angus.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate it, Angus Taylor, the shadow treasure of joining
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  Speaker 3: us live from Golden Let's now go to the University
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  Speaker 3: of New South Wales Economics procession. Gigi Foster joining me
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  Speaker 3: live from Sydney. Gigi, good to talk to you again.
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  Speaker 3: It's been great talking to you throughout the pandemic process
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  Speaker 3: and subsequently you've published books on the way this country
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  Speaker 3: handled it. Then give me your top of mind assessment
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  Speaker 3: of what we've learned from the report released yesterday.
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  Speaker 12: We've learned that basically the lessons that should have been
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  Speaker 12: drawn from Australia's disastrous COVID response have not been drawn.
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  Speaker 12: We've learned that those who contributed, including myself to this
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  Speaker 12: inquiry in good faith and giving as much evidence about
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  Speaker 12: the damage of these policies and the hopelessness of a
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  Speaker 12: centralized control based approach to handling a respiratory pandemic, we
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  Speaker 12: hope that that evidence would go into forming a report
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  Speaker 12: that really saw the cracks in Australia's institutions that this
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  Speaker 12: COVID response has shown us. And unfortunately we don't see
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  Speaker 12: that in the report. It's another papering over with some
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  Speaker 12: commentary about yes, there's been a bit of damage from
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  Speaker 12: the lockdowns, which at least they did acknowledge that, and
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  Speaker 12: a lot of focus on particular subpopulations, but no recognition
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  Speaker 12: that the governmental actions are the main thing that cause damage.
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  Speaker 12: And if we have more government action next time and
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  Speaker 12: suppress the call face freedom to experiment and move around
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  Speaker 12: and do all the stuff that we need to do
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  Speaker 12: in order to innovate our way out of a crisis,
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  Speaker 12: we will get more damage next time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the problem, isn't it That they treat
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: this is almost as an exercise in hindsight that are
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: looking back, we can see the States might have been
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: a bit too tough, but all in all we muddled through,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: and you have a Center for disease control, you'll get
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: more coordination. But the breaches of freedom, the overreach in
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: terms of the response, the medical misinformation that was spread around,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: none of this is hindsight. We could all see that
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: at the time and I'm talking to you right throughout
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: that process. When it comes to the economy, experts with
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: high degrees of credibility, like Professor Peter Collinnon calling this
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: out and we need a it's up an inquiry that's
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: going to be forensic, so we don't go down this
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: path again, rather than go down with an extra authority
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: looking over us.
• 20:09
  Speaker 12: No, that's exactly right, Chris. And unfortunately this is symptomatic
• 20:12
  Speaker 12: of the Australian approach to economic problems. I mean, I've
• 20:15
  Speaker 12: seen this and I've discussed this with you before on
• 20:17
  Speaker 12: prior programs that amongst the people on the street and
• 20:20
  Speaker 12: amongst the government bureaucrats and politicians themselves, there's this mindset
• 20:24
  Speaker 12: that if we have a problem, and in this case
• 20:26
  Speaker 12: we have a health crisis, if we have a problem,
• 20:28
  Speaker 12: we have to look to government to work out what
• 20:31
  Speaker 12: the solution is. And that consistency and coordination are good
• 20:35
  Speaker 12: things in and of themselves, that that somehow will promote
• 20:39
  Speaker 12: more welfare, minimize harm, maximize health, etc. That's just not true.
• 20:43
  Speaker 12: That's never been true. I mean, when you have a centralized,
• 20:46
  Speaker 12: coordinated approach to running a system, well, that sounds like
• 20:49
  Speaker 12: communism to me. That's a tutalitarian based, monovision led kind
• 20:54
  Speaker 12: of ideology. And we don't have that in Australia. We
• 20:56
  Speaker 12: shouldn't have that if we really want the best for
• 20:58
  Speaker 12: our people. We have creativity and innovation on the ground
• 21:01
  Speaker 12: every day, and in a crisis particularly, we need to
• 21:04
  Speaker 12: trust our people and unleash their power to discover what
• 21:08
  Speaker 12: would work best to preserve health and heighten our security
• 21:12
  Speaker 12: and calm the fear. And that's what the government did
• 21:15
  Speaker 12: not do. It did not trust its people, its doctors.
• 21:17
  Speaker 12: It did not tamp down the fear. It did not
• 21:19
  Speaker 12: even treat people who had COVID with standard anti flu
• 21:22
  Speaker 12: sorts of remedies. It basically said stay home and hope
• 21:25
  Speaker 12: that you don't get bad enough to go to hospital.
• 21:27
  Speaker 12: And it's a really offensive way to treat people who
• 21:32
  Speaker 12: are in fear and in bad health. And unfortunately, I
• 21:35
  Speaker 12: don't see that this newest report is a step in
• 21:37
  Speaker 12: the right direction. There's a little bit of recognition of
• 21:39
  Speaker 12: some of the harms, but really just a big leap
• 21:43
  Speaker 12: backwards in terms of advocating for more bureaucracy for next time,
• 21:47
  Speaker 12: more surveillance, as you say the Australian CDC, more coordination,
• 21:51
  Speaker 12: and more of what I think is just destined to
• 21:54
  Speaker 12: produce more damage.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: There's so many measures that bear out exactly what you say,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: but the one that always stands out to me is
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: school There was never any medical advice or medical reasoning
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: to close down schools, yet so many kids had their
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: schooling destroyed and social problems are on flowing from that.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: And as you say, if we left the schools open,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: then individuals could have made choices.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: If they were at risk school they were worried about
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: their kids, they could have stayed away.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: But the rest of society could have gone on with
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: schooling as they always should have done. But the trouble is,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: even after this report comes out, listen to what.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: The current premiere of Victoria's got to say.
• 22:30
  Speaker 13: The decisions that were taken during that one in one
• 22:34
  Speaker 13: hundred year pandemic. It was an unprecedented time, so we
• 22:38
  Speaker 13: were taking all the measures we could in that context
• 22:41
  Speaker 13: to protect lives and livelihoods, and that was absolutely part
• 22:45
  Speaker 13: of that public health led response.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: You talk about government's trying to quell fears, all governments
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: were trying to exacerbate fears. And I think the missing
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: element from this report too is the media, because the
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: media were hand in glove in heartening fees.
• 23:03
  Speaker 12: That's definitely true, and I do hold some hope for
• 23:06
  Speaker 12: the development of independent media during this time. The backlash
• 23:10
  Speaker 12: against the destructive government policies has fueled the sort of
• 23:14
  Speaker 12: new shoots of media from independent podcasters and independent channels,
• 23:19
  Speaker 12: which I think is a positive development for Australia. But
• 23:21
  Speaker 12: unfortunately many Australian citizens really are glued to mainstream sources.
• 23:25
  Speaker 12: I mean, Sky is kind of in between those two,
• 23:27
  Speaker 12: you know. I mean, I like your Austraannel obviously, but
• 23:30
  Speaker 12: it's not quite as mainstream as you know, maybe the ABC.
• 23:34
  Speaker 12: And unfortunately a lot of Australians really just get their
• 23:36
  Speaker 12: news from one mainstream source, so they have really no
• 23:40
  Speaker 12: idea that there is a completely different way to see
• 23:43
  Speaker 12: what happened during COVID than the way that they're being
• 23:45
  Speaker 12: fed by politicians who were in charge.
• 23:47
  Speaker 14: Of the time.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Now you're exactly right.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: That's so their only source of news that will have
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: no idea of the reality.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: It's tragic.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us, Jigu Appre, said up
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Gigi Foster, the professor and economics at the University of
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: New South Wyia. She has been consistent and right on
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: this stuff all the way through. Don't let people blame
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: it on hindsight. So many people saw this and called
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: it out at the time, but governments didn't want to
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: hear them.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Now we've got to take a break.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: After the breaks oft of Mahot overseas topics with Peter Jennings,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Hesbala names its new leader. Plus, as the coalition pushes
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: to divert funds from UNRA, Israel has made them illegal.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Let's return to the Middle East.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Hesblah has appointed a new secretary general one month after
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Israel took out Hassan Nasralla in Beirut.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Here's the latest from sky News UK.
• 24:41
  Speaker 15: This is the moment Hesballa began its search for a
• 24:44
  Speaker 15: new leader. The assassination of its figurehead Hassan Nasralla in
• 24:48
  Speaker 15: a Beirut suburb last month, and it's rarely onslaught that's
• 24:52
  Speaker 15: left Hesbalah scrambling to regroup. A week later, strikes and
• 25:00
  Speaker 15: another assassination, this time Pasrella's suppose its successor, Hashim Safia dein.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Of it.
• 25:09
  Speaker 15: But there is one man Israel hasn't got Niam Kassim,
• 25:13
  Speaker 15: a deputy chief for decades. He was the perennial number two,
• 25:17
  Speaker 15: but now the survivor has risen to the top.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Let's bring in Peter Jennings from Strategic Analysis Australia.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Peter.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Naim Kassim does he now have a big target on
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: his head.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Or you Betty does?
• 25:31
  Speaker 16: And in a sense, I think what Hasbela's doing is
• 25:34
  Speaker 16: they're rather digging into the second and third tier leadership
• 25:38
  Speaker 16: options at Cassim has been around for a very long
• 25:42
  Speaker 16: period of time, the perennial deputy, I think, more involved
• 25:47
  Speaker 16: on the political side of Hesbala than the military or
• 25:50
  Speaker 16: strategic site. So he's got a pretty tough challenge ahead
• 25:54
  Speaker 16: of him and he will certainly be very high on
• 25:57
  Speaker 16: Israel's target list.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: With so much of the leadership are wiped out, So
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: with their communications disrupted by blowing up walkie talkies and phones,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: with Iran heard itself by those Israeli attacks, what sort
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: of leadership structure would be in place for Hesbela in
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: southern Lebanon? Who would be calling the shots of when
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: to fire missiles and what tactics to adopt?
• 26:23
  Speaker 16: I think in southern Lebanon it will have devolved to
• 26:25
  Speaker 16: a pretty tactical level now, so the people that would
• 26:28
  Speaker 16: be making those decisions are the people that would actually
• 26:31
  Speaker 16: have the weapons to hand. And really we've seen this
• 26:36
  Speaker 16: that there has been no coordinated Hesbelo response to Israel's
• 26:40
  Speaker 16: movement of troops into southern Lebanon over the last month
• 26:44
  Speaker 16: or so.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Now the organization is very much on the.
• 26:47
  Speaker 16: Back foot, and that means that Israel needs to capitalize
• 26:52
  Speaker 16: on this. I'm thinking here from a military perspective, it
• 26:56
  Speaker 16: really has the Hesba leadership on the run, a significant
• 26:59
  Speaker 16: part of the command element terminated, and really this puts
• 27:05
  Speaker 16: Iran into a very difficult situation because they have to consider, well,
• 27:09
  Speaker 16: how far are we now going to invest to try
• 27:11
  Speaker 16: and rebuild Hezbela. You know, I think what's been most
• 27:14
  Speaker 16: significant in the last half year has been the failure
• 27:18
  Speaker 16: of Iran's twenty year plus strategy to try to strangle
• 27:23
  Speaker 16: Israel by using proxy groups.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: That is now clearly failing.
• 27:28
  Speaker 16: And really it's in Israel's interests as well as the
• 27:30
  Speaker 16: West's interests Chris to make sure that that can never
• 27:34
  Speaker 16: come back again absolute, which is why Israel needs to
• 27:37
  Speaker 16: prosecute this conflict. It can't stop at this point while
• 27:41
  Speaker 16: it needs to sort of take home the military advantage.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Precisely now, Israel's under fire predictably because it's banned. The
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: United Nations Palestinian Aid organization UNRA banned it completely.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Now this is hardly surprising given UNRAH.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Employees were exposed as Humas terrors and actually we're involved
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: in October the seventh atrocities.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Yet the world is screaming blue murder.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: There's got to be another way to get aid to
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Gaza rather than through an organization that's infiltrated by Hamas.
• 28:13
  Speaker 16: Surely, look, there certainly will be, and in fact, a
• 28:18
  Speaker 16: significant amount of aid does cross the border every day
• 28:22
  Speaker 16: from Israel, and that doesn't get much talked about either.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: In the media.
• 28:26
  Speaker 16: I think with ANRA, the problem is that the organization
• 28:30
  Speaker 16: has allowed itself to become compromised over decades of allowing
• 28:34
  Speaker 16: themselves to get too close to Hamas. And the evidence
• 28:38
  Speaker 16: is pretty and compelling. What's striking about our own government's position, Chris,
• 28:43
  Speaker 16: as well as the position of other Western governments, is
• 28:46
  Speaker 16: the failure to actively want to find out what's gone on,
• 28:49
  Speaker 16: to actually look at that intelligence themselves. You know how
• 28:53
  Speaker 16: quick we were to send m Marshall Mark Benskin over
• 28:57
  Speaker 16: to Israel to investigate when Australian was inadvertently killed in
• 29:02
  Speaker 16: a missile strike. But no one appears to want to
• 29:05
  Speaker 16: know in the Australian government about the intelligence picture with
• 29:10
  Speaker 16: regard to the extent that UNRAH has been compromised by Hamas.
• 29:14
  Speaker 16: And that's a shame because we continue to give UNRA
• 29:17
  Speaker 16: money and I think that continues to be a channel
• 29:20
  Speaker 16: of financial support through to Hamas well. That was no
• 29:24
  Speaker 16: democracy should want to be a partner.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: That was banned for a while after the atrocity and
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: after the claims about unra's staff, but the Penny Wong
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: announced the reinstatement of funding from Australian taxpayers to UNRA
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: in March.
• 29:38
  Speaker 17: Have a look the best available current advice from agencies
• 29:43
  Speaker 17: and the Australian government lawyers is that UNRA is not
• 29:46
  Speaker 17: a terrorist organization and that existing and additional safeguards sufficiently
• 29:51
  Speaker 17: protect Australian taxpayer funnel.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: So just very quickly, Peter, you're saying that money, Australian
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: taxpayers money can be siphoned off towards there's a terror
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: group in Humma, so therefore we should stop it.
• 30:04
  Speaker 16: Well, wonder it may not be a terrorist organization, but
• 30:07
  Speaker 16: it appeared to have terrorists working for it, and it's
• 30:10
  Speaker 16: to our shame that we've not been really bothered to
• 30:13
  Speaker 16: follow up on that intelligence to find out that the
• 30:15
  Speaker 16: depth of that infiltration.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us again, Peter, I appreciate it.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Peter Jennings there from Strategic Analysis Australia. We've got to
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: get to a break on the other side of that.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Kristen Tate in Boston. Also, Kamala Harris goes with another
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: desperate warning about a second Trump presidency. President Joe Biden
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: has stumbled into the election campaign, proving that his best
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: contribution would really be to keep his mouth shut.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: His abuse of Donald Trump's.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Supporters will be a real dampner on the final days
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: of the campaign for the Democrats. The fallout continues too,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: from Donald Trump's rally at Madison Square Garden on Monday,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: with Democrats and some in the media comparing it to
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: a pro Nazi event held nearby in the nineteen thirties.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Trump has scoffeded them.
• 31:06
  Speaker 18: The love in that room.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: It was breath taking.
• 31:11
  Speaker 18: There's never been an event so beautiful. It was like
• 31:13
  Speaker 18: a love fest, an absolute love fest.
• 31:16
  Speaker 10: And it was my honor to be.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Involved New York.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: He is, of course a Democrat stronghold, but the former
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: president stalled himself as a homecoming champion.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Kristen Tite gave us hoodtich Oh.
• 31:29
  Speaker 10: People loved it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 19: Donald Trump is a New Yorker, That's where he's from,
• 31:34
  Speaker 19: and there are lots of people in New York who
• 31:37
  Speaker 19: love Donald Trump.
• 31:39
  Speaker 10: Although yes it's a blue state.
• 31:40
  Speaker 19: I was there in New York City on election Night
• 31:43
  Speaker 19: in twenty sixteen.
• 31:44
  Speaker 10: And it was incredible.
• 31:45
  Speaker 19: As they called the states for Donald Trump in Times Square,
• 31:49
  Speaker 19: it felt like the whole city.
• 31:51
  Speaker 10: Was bursting out in applause.
• 31:52
  Speaker 19: There are lots of working people in that city that firefighters,
• 31:56
  Speaker 19: the cops, just the people going to work every day
• 31:59
  Speaker 19: were very patriotic.
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: They love Donald Trump. And these are the people who
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: go to the rallies.
• 32:04
  Speaker 19: And you know what, you gotta love Donald Trump for
• 32:06
  Speaker 19: going to Madison Square Garden and these other places in
• 32:09
  Speaker 19: New York showing love to his supporters. Even though it
• 32:11
  Speaker 19: is a blue state and he won't win it, he
• 32:13
  Speaker 19: still goes there and gives love to his supporters there
• 32:17
  Speaker 19: in the Blue states.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: But incredibly, the Democrats, they just can't help themselves. The
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: vice presidential candidate Tim Walls compared it to a Nazi
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: rally from the nineteen thirties, and even now he's not
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: that trekking from that climb.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Have a look, you stand by the comparison, though, to
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: a Nazi rally.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Look the rally you saw for yourself. I'll let the
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: American public make the decision of what they saw.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: What about you, though, So I know what I saw
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: and I'll just leave it at that.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: And even whilst the presidential candidate, the sitting vice president
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: refused to repudiate those claims, do.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: You find that a similar comparison.
• 32:54
  Speaker 20: Listen, this election is in seven days, and I think
• 32:56
  Speaker 20: the American people have a very clear choice. And on
• 33:00
  Speaker 20: the one hand, you have Donald Trump, who is constantly
• 33:03
  Speaker 20: fanning the flames of division and hate.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Kristin.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: We keep saying this is desperate, but is it cutting
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: through People really see this as a choice between the
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Democrats and some fascist.
• 33:18
  Speaker 10: Well, the very liberal voters do.
• 33:21
  Speaker 19: And that is the goal of Kamala Harris and her
• 33:25
  Speaker 19: running mate Tim molt is to just drive out their
• 33:28
  Speaker 19: base to the polls. This is all about mobilization at
• 33:31
  Speaker 19: this point. There is a segment of the population here
• 33:34
  Speaker 19: in the country who truly has Trump derangement syndrome.
• 33:38
  Speaker 10: These are the people who sit around their houses all
• 33:41
  Speaker 10: day every.
• 33:41
  Speaker 19: Day watching MSNBC and CNN and being told by the
• 33:44
  Speaker 19: TV that Trump is a no good, very bad Orange
• 33:47
  Speaker 19: man who wants to do horrible things and he'll be
• 33:50
  Speaker 19: a dictator in all of this. So when they say
• 33:52
  Speaker 19: these things, Chris, that is the segment of the population
• 33:55
  Speaker 19: they are talking to.
• 33:56
  Speaker 10: They are trying to drive out their base.
• 33:58
  Speaker 19: Will this work with moderate voters or independence, No, But
• 34:02
  Speaker 19: that's not who they're trying to get to the polls
• 34:04
  Speaker 19: with that messaging.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's what tells me that they're really desperate.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: They realize that they're behind in this electoral contest.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: And it's just their base.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: They have to get their base out there because.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: They want to minimize their losses.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: We will see.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I'll get to your thoughts on that in a moment.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: But one of the low lights from that Madison Square
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Gardens rally for Donald Trump was the comedian Tony Hinchcliff
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: is his name. They get a comedian to come on
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: and crack a few jokes, and he cracked this one.
• 34:32
  Speaker 19: But there's literally a floating island of garbage in the
• 34:36
  Speaker 19: middle of the ocean right now.
• 34:38
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it's called Puerto Rico.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Well, that's pretty derogatory towards Puerto Rico and Puerto Ricans.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: And I've shown our viewers earlier in the week how
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: the vice presidential Republican candidate JD. Van's dealt with that
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: topic pretty well. But now the Democrats seem to be
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: turning it into an own goal. I want to show
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: you two comments from the President Joe bi where first
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: he sort of infers wanting to kill or drown the comedian,
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: and then he calls Donald Trump supporters garbage.
• 35:08
  Speaker 21: He have a look, well, I take that guy for
• 35:11
  Speaker 21: a swim out there anyway, Studies, look at me don't
• 35:21
  Speaker 21: get going, Joe, don't get going.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Joe. Slow up.
• 35:27
  Speaker 21: Puerto Rico where I'm in my home state of Delaware.
• 35:30
  Speaker 21: They're good, decent, honorable people. The only garbage icee float
• 35:34
  Speaker 21: down there is his orders.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Kristin, We've been down this ride before with Hillary Clinton
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: and the deplorables. This is the Democrats slurring any Trump voters.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Is this a pretty bad mistake? Just less than a
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: week out from polling day?
• 35:51
  Speaker 10: Of course?
• 35:52
  Speaker 19: And you know, I actually, whatever you think about that
• 35:54
  Speaker 19: specific joke or the comedian, it was clearly a strategic
• 35:57
  Speaker 19: decision by the Trump campaign to put back community in there.
• 36:01
  Speaker 19: We know this comedian makes jokes like this. He has
• 36:03
  Speaker 19: a track record of it. And now the Trump campaign
• 36:06
  Speaker 19: has put the left and the Democrats in a position
• 36:09
  Speaker 19: we're in a week before the election. They're out there
• 36:12
  Speaker 19: complaining and pearl clutching about a joke. The left is
• 36:15
  Speaker 19: completely devoid of humor. And also they've trapped Joe Biden
• 36:19
  Speaker 19: and Kamal Harris into making comments like the one you
• 36:22
  Speaker 19: just referenced by Biden. So yes, this looks very bad.
• 36:26
  Speaker 19: We all know how the deplorables comment played out for
• 36:29
  Speaker 19: Hillary Clinton, and we may.
• 36:30
  Speaker 10: Be seeing a repeat of that now just a week
• 36:33
  Speaker 10: before the.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Election, And of course, Kristen, tonight, youle Tom, Kamala Harris
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: has addressed a rally outside the Capitol during direct references
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: to what happened there on January the sixth, twenty twenty one.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Have a look.
• 36:47
  Speaker 14: We know who.
• 36:48
  Speaker 10: Donald Trump is.
• 36:50
  Speaker 22: He is the person who stood at this very spot
• 36:54
  Speaker 22: nearly four years ago and sent an armed mob to
• 36:59
  Speaker 22: the night and it States Capital to overturn the will
• 37:04
  Speaker 22: of the people in a.
• 37:05
  Speaker 10: Free and fair election, an election that he knew he lost.
• 37:14
  Speaker 22: Americans died as a result of that attack.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Kristen, does this fall into the same category as
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: the fascist attack? Really trying to mobilize the base. We
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: know there's all sorts of misinformation and eras perpetrated about
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: what happened on January the sixth, including effect who was
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: the person who was shot and killed was a protester
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: and we got a police officer die of a heart
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: attack and all the rest of it.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: What's your take on her tactic there tonight?
• 37:42
  Speaker 19: When the vast majority of Americans here Kamala Harris talk
• 37:45
  Speaker 19: like that, they roll their eyes and they yawn.
• 37:47
  Speaker 10: It just doesn't work anymore. They have been screaming for
• 37:51
  Speaker 10: eight years straight.
• 37:52
  Speaker 19: About Donald Trump being a big, scary dictator. Guess what,
• 37:56
  Speaker 19: Donald Trump was president for four years. We have seen
• 37:58
  Speaker 19: what he did track record there. We also now have
• 38:02
  Speaker 19: a track record of four years of Kamala Harris. This
• 38:05
  Speaker 19: line of attack, I just don't suspect it's going to
• 38:07
  Speaker 19: be very effective this time around.
• 38:09
  Speaker 10: Chris.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Kristin just quickly, do you see Donald Trump
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: returning to the White House in January next year?
• 38:16
  Speaker 19: If I had to put my money on it right now,
• 38:18
  Speaker 19: I would say yes. All the momentum seems to be
• 38:21
  Speaker 19: with Donald Trump right now.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Fascinating stuff. Certainly the poll's trending.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: His way too.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Thanks for talking to us. Can't wait to catch up
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: next week.
• 38:30
  Speaker 10: Really looking forward to it. Thank you, Chris.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what a week. Staglued to Sky News when it
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: comes to the US election. After the break, can I
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: have our Wednesday wrangle with Liz Dora and Justin Smith.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: We've got to talk about the US politics as well
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: as the ABC collecting one point one billion dollars of
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: our money while its audience is full. Also, I'm vaccinated.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Firefighters in Victoria still can't go to work, can you
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: believe that? Let's get into the wrangle with a late
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: debate co host Liz Stora on the desk here with
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: me and broadcaster and columnist Justin Smith in Melbourne.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Justin will be looking for the Prime Minister today.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: There's questions to ask an answer about quantas he's not
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: hiding under your desk, is he?
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: No?
• 39:18
  Speaker 23: I don't think he is, although he could have taken
• 39:20
  Speaker 23: an early flight and.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Ducked under there.
• 39:22
  Speaker 23: It's pretty party, isn't it all round it? And I
• 39:25
  Speaker 23: think they, oh yeah, oh, nothing but the best for
• 39:28
  Speaker 23: the Prime Minister and our politicians. This is a real
• 39:31
  Speaker 23: look inside the trough. You know that all the snouts
• 39:35
  Speaker 23: are in. This is on both sides of politics. But
• 39:38
  Speaker 23: by all means go go after the Prime minister.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: We should.
• 39:40
  Speaker 23: We should also have a look at everyone who's been
• 39:43
  Speaker 23: dipping their snout into their troth because it doesn't fly
• 39:47
  Speaker 23: as an ordinary people. This is just so far out
• 39:50
  Speaker 23: of reach for normal people to have entitlements like this.
• 39:54
  Speaker 23: But these people who are already on a good wicket
• 39:56
  Speaker 23: and are there to serve the people. And look, you're
• 39:59
  Speaker 23: dealing with company with counters, a company who illegally sacks
• 40:04
  Speaker 23: people who counsels who sells flights at their planning to council.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: The council doesn't give you money back when you have
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: to councel. Buddying up to these mongrels. Yeah, but again
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I'm all against broadening the debate.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Now, I agree with you about snouts in the trough,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: but I think we need to focus on this specific
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: example at the moment because it breaches the guidelines. He
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: asked for personal upgrades, that's the allegation. But apparently, according
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: to the Treasurer, Albow doesn't need to answer any more questions.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: He's done a number of interviews this week and Sunday,
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: certainly I think yesterday from memory, and so he's made
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: himself available as he often does to answer these sorts
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: of questions.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: He's answered them all.
• 40:48
  Speaker 14: Lier's move on, Oh well, why are we still talking
• 40:51
  Speaker 14: about this? Then it's asked and answered Chris.
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: But this is exactly what happened when he was found
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: to have made his son what he claims was his
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: plus one in lieu of his ex wife in the
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: chairman's lounge. Now that wasn't declared either, were it not
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: for the media. Sneakily exposing this guy getting these freebies,
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: getting these advantages from Quantus.
• 41:12
  Speaker 14: And let's be real, whether you're Alan.
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: Joyce or somebody else, if the Prime Minister is asking
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: you for a favor, for a free upgrade, are you
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: really going to say no? So you're really putting this
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: guy in a position your demanded.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: There's your position, no they.
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: Where he has to say yes. And so, if anything,
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: Quantus is now further implicated.
• 41:35
  Speaker 14: Now, especially now that we know that seven.
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: Of Albot's ministers were also getting freebies and nice little
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: goodie bags from Quantas, everyone needs to be asking more
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: and more questions about that horrendous debarcle where we saw
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: Katar who wanted to have more flights into Australia which
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: we all would have benefited from, instead of having this
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: ridiculous scopilly that we have on our airlines.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Text well no, no, looks preferenced, but look.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: At this specific case, because it's clearcut, sort that out
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: and then yeah, look look at both sides. But in
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: the end, I don't have a problem with them, you know,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: having chairman's club membership.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: If they all declare it.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: But really, you do yourself a lot of favors if
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: you say no and actually just be hove to you know.
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: Oh, that's called integrity, Chris Well, yeah, who does that?
• 42:26
  Speaker 14: You can dream the dream.
• 42:27
  Speaker 10: It's great.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: We'll talk. We'll talk the other snouts another time. Talk
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: about snouts in trough. What about the ABC Their annual
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: report out there last night The Australian.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Got ahold of it. We've had a bit of a
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: look at it today.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: I think I've got eight people paid more than half
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: a million dollars a year. The boss has paid one
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: point one million dollars a year. They've got one point
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: one billion dollars to run the joint and this is
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: their annual report cover.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I love this, Liz.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: They've got Tony Armstrong on the cover.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: He's the one who's been exposed for doing commercial deals
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: while it was working for the ABC.
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: Honestly, this review is a great read. I highly recommend
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: it to anyone in need of a laugh or maybe
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: a cry when you realize this is all our money
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: being funneled into it. But what does it say about
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: the ABC's core content.
• 43:11
  Speaker 14: Their actual journalism or lack thereof.
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: When never before has more money been spent on the
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: national broadcaster and never before have they leaked just six
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: hundred and seventy thousand viewers in the space of one year. Now,
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: that is astronomical numbers that we're talking about. Their ratings
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: have been tanking for quite some time now, and here
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: we are.
• 43:33
  Speaker 14: We've never spent more on them, and they've never done worse.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: They should put the wrangle on They should put the
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: wrangle on radio justin I won't get your thoughts on
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: that because you've been filling in on the ABC and
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: you'll have a conflict of interest, so.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Can you very welcome Let me go.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Let me go to the vaccine mandates and the astonishing revelation.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Now we've looked at this, as you many times over
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: more than a year. The Victorian firefighters barred from work
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: because they're not vaccinated.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: That is still in place.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: This is criminal negligence to having for a government and
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: a bureaucracy to bar people from fighting fires now because
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: they're not vaccinated.
• 44:13
  Speaker 23: I'm sorry you asking me, Yeah, yeah, look, I think
• 44:15
  Speaker 23: it's well. Look, I mean it's a report that we've
• 44:17
  Speaker 23: seen this week. We've seen that there have been blunders,
• 44:22
  Speaker 23: you know, on both sides of politics, both at the
• 44:26
  Speaker 23: state level, there have been lives lost because of what
• 44:30
  Speaker 23: the federal government has done. There have been businesses destroyed,
• 44:34
  Speaker 23: and I would say family is destroyed over what the
• 44:36
  Speaker 23: state government done. So I think it's look, I've backed
• 44:39
  Speaker 23: to you all the way on this. I think the
• 44:41
  Speaker 23: Royal Commission and go the Royal Commission. I think actually
• 44:44
  Speaker 23: only I think this report actually only hammers home why
• 44:49
  Speaker 23: we need that Royal Commission. Having said that the bloody
• 44:52
  Speaker 23: rule that Royal Commission into robo debt did nothing. No
• 44:56
  Speaker 23: one has gone to jail, and that was that was
• 44:59
  Speaker 23: That wasn't a blo under.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: That was a work of evil.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: So I don't know about going to jail. Well, certainly
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: a lot of first place. Certainly a lot of people
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: got compensation. That was a big outcome. I want to
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: go to US politics now though, because Joe Biden. You
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: wonder why they keep him away from the public eye.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: This is what Joe Biden had to say about Trump supporters.
• 45:21
  Speaker 21: Puerto Rico, where I'm in my home state of Delaware.
• 45:25
  Speaker 21: They're good, decent, honorable people. The only garbage I see
• 45:28
  Speaker 21: floating down there is just orders.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Well, this is how's that going to work for the Democrats.
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: Seventy five million Americans just got told their garbage.
• 45:37
  Speaker 14: Now Hillary Clinton.
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: Back in twenty twenty, twenty sixteen, she famously called the.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Trump Yeah, let's have a look at it.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Laura, we've seen this movie before. Have a look.
• 45:50
  Speaker 24: We are living in a volatile political environment. You know,
• 45:56
  Speaker 24: to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of
• 46:02
  Speaker 24: Trump supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables,
• 46:09
  Speaker 24: right the races, sexes, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic, you name it,
• 46:20
  Speaker 24: and unfortunately there are people like that.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: The on behalf of Hillary. Sorry to interrupt you, but
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: how did that work out for her?
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: I called it?
• 46:31
  Speaker 20: Ready to go?
• 46:31
  Speaker 22: Thank you?
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: This doesn't work.
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: They still haven't learned their lesson telling everyday Americans who
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: are just patriots, who love the flag, who love everything
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: that's good about their country, believe it or not, Insulting
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: them and calling them names doesn't.
• 46:46
  Speaker 14: Get you their vote.
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: It is unbelievable that the Dems have still learned nothing
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: from this, are still running on nothing more than insulting
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: the seventy five million Trump supporters, yeah probably more at this.
• 46:58
  Speaker 14: Point, yes, the number, and just claiming Trump is bad.
• 47:03
  Speaker 14: Trump is hitler. Trump is this is a.
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: Nazi rally, et cetera, etcetera, and so on. It didn't
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: work back in twenty sixteen. It is definitely not going
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: to work in twenty twenty four under the worst democratic
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: administration the nation.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Just before I give you your say on this, just
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: and I got to update things, Joe Biden put out
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: a tweet issue to tweet to try and undo the
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: damage of that garbage comment. It didn't work. It was
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: just a jumble of words. It's almost as if he
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: wrote it himself.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: But then because he didn't actually apologize for the comment,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: and then Donald Trump has responded in kind.
• 47:37
  Speaker 18: Have a look, remember Hillary, she said deplorable and then
• 47:42
  Speaker 18: she said irredeemable. Right, but she said deplorable. That didn't
• 47:45
  Speaker 18: work out. Garbage, I think is worse right. But he
• 47:48
  Speaker 18: doesn't know. You have to please forgive him, Please forgive
• 47:52
  Speaker 18: him for he not knoweth what he said these people.
• 47:58
  Speaker 18: It's terrible, terrible, terrible to say a thing like that.
• 48:01
  Speaker 18: But he really doesn't know. He really, honestly, he doesn't.
• 48:04
  Speaker 18: And I'm convinced that he likes me more than he
• 48:07
  Speaker 18: likes Kamela Justin.
• 48:11
  Speaker 23: You got thirty seconds, oh man, can we can we
• 48:15
  Speaker 23: and look, first of all, stop helping Joe. But secondly,
• 48:20
  Speaker 23: can we agree that that Puerto Rican joke was absolutely
• 48:24
  Speaker 23: it was terrible racius.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Terrible joke.
• 48:28
  Speaker 14: Because comedy comedy.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, buy a helmet.
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: If you're going to be insulted by comedy, just don't
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: go to comedy.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, It is literally.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Jus just say it's only jokes. Is that how it works?
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: You're not racist? Crap? I can't believe.
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: If you thought that was racist, you need to do
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: with comedian. It is literally what he's famous for, has
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: made millions of dollars from that is.
• 48:57
  Speaker 14: What he does.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: He's for being a racist.
• 49:00
  Speaker 14: Oh well, people like you were told. But how this
• 49:03
  Speaker 14: pack out auditoriums to see him.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Well, it was a nasty, big of a joke, but
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: it was a joke and it was poorly pitched and
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: the overreaction I think is going to turn into a
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: bigger joke for the Democrats at this stage.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Thanks for wrangling.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: As ever, Justin Smith and listen to or Liz will
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: be back at ten o'clock.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: But here's Steve Price filling in for Peter Credlin.