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Episode 75: Gushing About Andor Episode 7 (SPOILERS) · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello. Then it's time for most things
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Kenobi. Hi everyone, welcome to another
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episode of most things Kenobi. A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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and all things Star Wars. I'm your host Leanne and I'm
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your host, Laura and in this week Cassie and and, or took his
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shirt off, he did and I have been able to think of nothing
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else. Same, we hate to be those.
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Bitches had no idea. You're gonna start with that
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thing. God bless you.
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Oh sorry, I just pulled that right out there.
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Now we're talking about and or episode 7.
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Correct? Yes, that was all I remember
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from the episode same. That was it?
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No, they were important parts in this episode that we're going to
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go over because we have fucking feelings about all of them.
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I felt a lot of emotion in this episode.
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I went through several phases. Yeah, I was sad during Chip it.
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I was really sad. It was sad and I was also
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confused which you and I talked about privately not my
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confusion, but the episode we talked about my confusion
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separately, all the time had a talk.
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Okay. So tell me about some of the
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parts that had you feeling emotions because like we said,
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there were plenty and I have my thoughts.
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I'm sure we'll have similar thoughts.
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Yeah, I feel like anything I pick, I don't want to minimize.
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Anything like the whole episode was also important.
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But I really started to feel like I might unravel during
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Cassie and flashbacks when he was running through the town
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square. Oh, God.
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And, and what you posted on Instagram, I know.
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Oh my God. And I didn't even think of that
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someone, if he needs it on Tumblr and it just hit me in the
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solar plexus and it was the saw gerrera, reference one man, with
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a sharp. Stick can save the day.
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Yes, and nothing. It's like the most yeah, nothing
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left to lose. Can steal the day and they
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posted that with a picture of Cassian, as a teenager holding
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that pipe up like charges the Troopers and I said, that's see
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that's what makes Star Wars great right there.
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Yeah, that kind of shit that particularly made me sad because
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I thought maybe Clem was doing something with the Rebellion or
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like, you know, whatever the precursor to the rebellion was
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obviously because did really Fully exist, yet it turns out he
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was trying to stop people, from throwing stones at a soldier or
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a group of soldiers. It's a he was an innocent
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bystander who is actually trying to do a good thing.
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He was being a Good Samaritan. He was like I feel like crying
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just talking about it. It's too tragic.
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It's a product of a greater symptom that the Empire is like
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shoot. First ask questions second if
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they did just taken some time just any time at all.
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Just evaluate the situation Beyond a first glance.
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They would have seen that he wasn't the Rebel Rouser that
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they thought and a life could have been spared, but it wasn't.
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It was made an example for absolutely no reason at all and
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it was the wrong example. Yeah.
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It was a needless death as so many of them are under the
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Empire's rain. And look at how many lives it,
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affected it, affected Cassie. And obviously, it affected the
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entire town and it affected Marva.
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And that was the part where I I felt the most emotion in the
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entire episode because when she said that she finally had enough
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courage to walk through that, part of the street, where they
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hung that, man and shot him. Yes.
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The personal just the strength, you know what?
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That's like where you have a thing but then you get over that
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thing and it's such a Triumph to you.
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Yeah. But nobody else knows about it.
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Fiona Shaw is performance with Idaho.
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I felt it, she's real when she said and he's like, but I'm
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going to think about you every day.
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I'm gonna worry about you. And her delivery of the line was
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like, well that's just love. What can we do about that?
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It was so beautifully written. Yeah.
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And like, I felt that there's nothing you can do about that.
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No, that's just love. He loves her, she loves him.
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It's just love. That's nothing to be ashamed of
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and she was proud of him. She understood it because Cuz
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she loves him to. Oh God.
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And then there's emo. Oh, which I don't want to talk
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about because I'm too fragile. But Marva is an incredibly
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strong woman and it's and it's kind of a dichotomy to her
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having to use a cane and she's given the image of Frailty.
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But yeah. She's a tough bitch.
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Yeah. Like I would walk behind her
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anywhere because her spirit I don't know.
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Shit. That whole thing moved me in
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ways that I was Not expecting me to and it's such an unexpected
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seen. The writing is just like it's so
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special because nine times out of ten Cassian would be like a
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rebellious kid and his mom loves them but God damn it.
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Do they butt heads? And they don't like, he loves
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her. She loves him.
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There's no. It's he says, like, I don't
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understand, but it's never like, well, go to hell.
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Then I'm doing what I want, you know, it's like they didn't
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know. Once again, they don't send the
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scene into a place that most writers would send it.
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They keep it on this like Humane side where it's so real.
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Like these are like real conversations that you would
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see, between two people who cannot be on the same path
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anymore but still like really love each other and it's like
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she said, you can't stay and I can't go.
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We're just at this Crossroads that hit me.
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I need to and like I'm feeling emotional just Thinking about
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the sea now because because both of their performances were just
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so truthful and it makes me feel a lot of emotions without a
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doubt. Everything you said is, is
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correct, but I just loved. Also the flicker of a moment and
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this, this is go straight to Diego Luna's, ability to act and
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his facial range of acting when she's talking kind of hurriedly
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about. Did you hear about?
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I'll Donnie or, you know, The the seizure whatever they did
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and and that's what we need more of.
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And for a second, it looked like Cassie was gonna like be ashamed
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of it. But then he realized Marva was
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proud of what happened. And there was like almost a
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surprise, surprise smirk like he wanted to like tell her.
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Yes I don't know how many times they film that but it like that
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came so easily. It looked like it came easily to
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Diego Luna but he was going through so many emotions in that
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moment. He wasn't even talking because
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she wouldn't kind of let him in to talk.
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And then he made that little like almost bashful like, oh
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man, I had something to do with that and she's proud of that.
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Like it was all in his face all at once and what an incredible
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incredible scene. I know, but honestly, but those
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actors just blow my fucking mind because she's just so weighted.
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Would she said the line? It's probably doomed, but I'm
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too old and I don't care. Yes, it's so believable the way
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they both just together. I don't know these two actors.
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These are not people. I would ever have pictured doing
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scenes together and they are so perfect.
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And I loved also to your point that Fiona doesn't cry, but she
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gets there, she shakes. Her voice wobbles like her arms
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shake, or she's like, she's trying to hold it in or
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something and it's building, but she doesn't let it creep out and
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then her eyes are watery, but she's not in full crying mode.
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Yeah, because she's tough, this is a woman.
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We don't know much about but I know one thing is she is Half
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what we see in this scene, speaks such volume for the
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entire Star Wars franchise from the trilogy.
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The original trilogy to Rebels, Clone Wars prequel sequels
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everything. The theme of, they take
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everything away from you and all you want is control of
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something. Yes.
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And in Marvel's case, she wanted control to just walk around that
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corner where they hung her husband and now she's too old to
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care, right? But she wants control to go out
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the way. She wants not to have them,
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dictate how she's going to live her.
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She's not going to escape, she's gonna stay right there and some
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would say that's foolish. But when it's that white-knuckle
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gripped by the Empire and they're closing in on all sides,
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I think it's Brave to stand your ground.
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You know what I mean? And I think it shows an
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Enlightenment that because calcium says like you can live
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under that and she says they can't take away what's in my
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mind. Yes.
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Yes, that to me was like life goals.
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You have to remember that? Yeah, the the parallel where she
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says, tell me you understand and he says, I don't Jin's.
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Father says, tell me you understand and she says, I
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understand Papa and give him a hug and it's just like in the
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book in the Rogue one book, it says she says, I understand even
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though she doesn't she doesn't actually understand but she
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that's what her father wants to hear.
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So she says it and And another example of gin and Cassie and
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having just like completely parallel existences, their space
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twins in the way that you and I are lost the miles.
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You know, you know, they are, they have like the same
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background in the same outlook on life and then they both
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change in the same way. It's amazing.
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Eating their shit up. It's keeping me alive.
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Then he took his shirt off. And yes, then Guy died.
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It kept me alive, until it kills me dead.
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Well, we didn't get it with Kenobi.
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Um, but I'll take the crumbs. They threw at us with DEA gonna
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shower and well Muffy hair. Yeah.
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Dear Lord. And he like he puffed up he did,
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he's not always that muscular so that was the We rise up for
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large and he's a small dude he is.
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Yeah and like even in Rogue one there was a picture like The
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scenes picture I saw of him where he had just like a tank
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top on. He has no muscles like this, it
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was like a very deliberate decision and I am very grateful
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to the Star Wars people. Well I mean, you know his
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training and he got all buff and then he didn't take his shirt
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off, but no the fuck. I mean, he was in the back to
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tank but that's not sexy. That doesn't know.
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That doesn't know. That's not what we had in mind.
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I mean, no. Oh, we'll take it but you miss
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you misunderstood the assignment yes.
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Anakin with his robe in the bedroom where he takes it and
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puts lips it on and is entire a baggage is on display with that
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metal arm, to be totally like vapid and vacant.
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Look, they hire some of the most beautiful men on the planet for
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this Star Wars universe. But like they only put Carrie
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Fisher and a gold bikini has so correct.
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Come on Equity, got some absolutely, they got some making
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up to do. They got some ground to cover
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here to make up for it, but that all aside you get to that scene
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because it was my least favorite and I don't mean the shirtless,
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but it was part of the, my least favorite.
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We have a lot of ground to cover.
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As far as let's go to our Queen. Yeah.
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More of a but Queen. What's your name?
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I'm mud Market. Mon mothma.
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Marva mothma because of whole, my God, so good.
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I'm like speechless the senior performance Genevieve Flawless,
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perfect. If I could emulate that at any
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work function, just smile. Remember to smile smile.
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Oh my God, I loved every fucking second.
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You want to talk about real? That's real life, shit.
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Yes, that people crawling all around her?
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Her husband's lingering and listening and, and creeping.
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And you don't know who to trust and she's trying to test her
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bestie from back in the day to see if she can trust him.
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And even so I was like, be careful, be careful.
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You don't know. Yeah.
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And she was, she even said, she's like, I'm not going to
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answer your question. Yeah, I had one of the best
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pieces of dialogue ever and it was the kind of thing where it
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makes you like hate yourself because you didn't come up with
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it yourself. She said a writers Riders
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problem. But she said, if I show you the
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Rock in my hand, you'll miss the knife at your throat.
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Yes. Yes.
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And that Palpatine taught her that I was just like oh my God.
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Oh my God, that was essentially everything he did.
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Yes. All through the Clone Wars
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Palpatine. Yeah.
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And then she in the Palpatine, she's wise to it and using it.
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Oh my God. I just everything about her is
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so interesting and Brilliant and scary.
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Like I fear for her even though we know she ends up in Return of
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the Jedi. But it's like something horrible
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is gonna happen. Yeah.
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How does she get from there to here?
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So I mentioned to you that I understood.
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This is how I interpreted it. I could be way the fuck off.
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I interpreted her talking to her bestie, I don't remember his
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name but, you know, I don't either dude from chandrila.
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When she referred to her husband, I got the sense that
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she is planning. To kill the man or have him
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removed. He will no longer be an issue.
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Will say, did you get that? Because you said to me and when
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you, when I told you that you're like, well I didn't think of
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that. No, I don't think so because
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she's so moral. Oh, but if you stare at the Rock
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in her hand she's gonna miss the knife at her husband's 40.
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True, true. But I think, I think what I got
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from the scene is that she doesn't trust him at all and
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she's using him as a cover and protection from.
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From the Empire. Okay, so, I went way overboard,
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I went I jumped right off that rock.
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I'm gonna, what was it about it? That made you think that I'm
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open to having my mind changed because I hate her husband.
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You saw the way they filmed it. She and, and the friend are
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sitting on the couch and the positioning of her husband, and
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that's that hallway. That arched hallway.
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Mmm. And her husband and who the
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guests that he was speaking to were dead center, right?
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And I took it as a symbol of like he's in the middle of
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everything she's trying to do and she's she has to, she's
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playing it smart, she knows he's in on it, she knows he's, he's
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watching her, so she's got to get rid of them.
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Like sometimes her ruthlessness isn't what you expect, like,
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perhaps my politics could be a little strong for you.
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Yeah, taste. I suppose.
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I mean, that's true. That's good point.
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I mean, I don't know. I don't know.
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I mean, because what she was saying to her friend, implied,
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that it was all Financial, that she was trying to, like, have
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access to our funds which I'm assuming oh, sure.
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Yeah. How did she not since their her
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own families? Is it have something to do with
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her marriage or something to do with the Empire?
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I don't know. But Yeah, I don't see it.
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I am a fully invested honestly and every single plot line
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that's going on. In this show.
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I have a vested interest now like I IO, I'm I'm all in on Mon
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mothma and I am all-in on Deidre in the air.
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Oh my God, you're not looking SmackDown on her counterpart,
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there she came prepared and the way they filmed it, with her,
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getting her suit on and tightening, the colonizing the
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belt and walking with purpose. I loved that.
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It was a mugging every second of that.
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So I saw somebody posted something that said like it had
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the picture of two sets of fans. And one was like, clapping a
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woman's like cheering, like standing up cheering and they're
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like, we want lightsaber battles and then they're like, no, we
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want is be conference room meetings.
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That's the real battle everybody.
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Hears. You have to be well trained to
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take someone down in that room and gain respect.
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Yes. Right.
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I think it's 1 million percent proof that we are much more
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satisfied by the story driven. Then the action driven TV shows
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or movies. I mean, the fact that we're
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literally watching a conference room of people.
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It's like we're watching a corporate meeting and I couldn't
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look away. It was so good.
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Yes good yes. And you do know that was
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yularen. I didn't until you said it.
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I It's fucking no clue yaron that kind of breaks my heart a
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bit. It makes me really sad.
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It makes me really sad. You see him on the bridge with
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Anakin in the Clone Wars and everyone's fine.
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And, you know, and then there he is.
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Restricting, everything and taxing, everyone, and being a
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dick. And it's like, how did we get
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here? Yeah.
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Oh, right Palpatine. Yeah.
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I guess of what choice does he have, right?
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It's the kind of thing where, yeah, you change.
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Allegiances to keep yourself alive, I guess.
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But he seemed to be enjoying himself and that's that.
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He believed what he was saying, was the right thing, you know,
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that to tighten the grip and punish people for their
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infractions. Yeah, I just that was really
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sad. It was really sad.
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I hate seeing that I hate seeing what they once were and then
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what they became, you know, but it is is also cool to see after
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that. Dean Deidre saying they're
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playing into the rebels Hands, by doing this.
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She's so smart. Just how does she know all this
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stuff? Question mark, man, I'm was she
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a part of it at one point or she?
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I don't know because they imply, she came from somewhere else
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like maybe local police or something and like entered the
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is be that way but she's just real good.
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Well, somebody on our patreon group was saying that they find
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themselves rooting for her, which I do too, which
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ultimately, it's like but she's she's gonna be the one to, like,
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take down the people, we love. So it's very interesting how
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they're playing all these perspectives.
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And like I said, I'm invested in all of them, they all have their
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own, what they perceive as their own legitimate, point of view,
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and the writers are able to make me see their point of view,
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every single time, it's really good.
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I'm starting to have theories on how they're going to start
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tying. Their plot lines together
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because right now, they're so disparate that, like, their
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convert. I can't see how they will
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converge. There seems to be tension
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between luthan and Mon mothma. And then there's the stuff going
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on with the is B and then their inner coating Cyril in there.
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Yes, let's go back to Lutheran and, and Mon mothma.
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Oh yeah. Oh my God.
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I found this very, very interesting.
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You said it mon mothma is obviously a very more patient
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long. Game slow methodical.
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And he is willing to risk it all to get money fast to bust.
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Open the door that the Rebellion is happening.
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Look at us. What's interesting is that
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luthan his thinking worked, right?
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It got the Empire to strict like to be more strict, which then
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helps them out in a way, you know, they explained.
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Mmm. Mon mothma has her doubts, but I
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thought it was very interesting that he was already one step
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ahead of the Empire. Yay.
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Like forcing their hand because he yeah, which I have we ever
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seen that know and I think that, that could be a moment that's
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kind of lost. Because literally him doing that
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sets, the foundation, for all the rest of Rogue one and the
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original trilogy and everything that comes after because he
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formed the structure of the Rebellion, by doing this.
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And if mon mothma had had her way, they might have had an
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entirely different kind of rebellion, and it may have come
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at the cost of building and completing and losing more
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planets than alderon to the Death Star, right?
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Like, it could have been more tragedy.
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I mean, the whole thing is tragic, but I got to give
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Lutheran credit for seeing that far in advance what this would
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do and how it would help them and goddamnit Kudos, again,
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Skarsgard amazing amazing performance, love him in that
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seem to be going back and forth between smiling and talking very
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Tense. So hard, so talented.
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I just and and mothma. She stayed turned away from the
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driver because the drivers in on it, you know what I mean?
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And every time he took every time Lutheran turned towards my
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mouth, but he had a smile and was talking quote, unquote.
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Yes about the object in case, there was lip reading because
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you know, those guys are all trained in that it's it's
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fucking crazy. It's so crazy.
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I have a question for you, so yeah.
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What's up his flower? Her or whatever.
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Like his assistant is the one who went and fell out in the
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middle. Of course, I wish.
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I loved seeing that walking around the city.
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I didn't know. I didn't know that was her.
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Yeah, I wasn't sure if first. And then I was like, is it her
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twin sister? Like, yeah, I was like
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completely. I was lost for the first, like,
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30 seconds of her strut through Coruscant.
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And that was like, oh, oh, I get it.
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Okay. Well, then she wakes up with Val
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who I've heard, People say they didn't know it was her until she
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spoke because she looked so different.
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She looks she looks wealthy. She looks like a refined woman
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so I think very interesting to see where she is in the
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hierarchy, you know, and Coruscant.
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But their conversation was kind of interesting because some
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people were saying that they thought they looked like
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sisters. I thought that I thought.
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Yeah they were they didn't make it clear and I was Looking for
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like any kind of like hidden language there and I didn't pick
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up on anything. There was implication kind of
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that luthan. Is vels Father sort of?
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Yes, sort of because she said, like, I really expected him to
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be here is if only that mean, that's not something like a team
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mate says, right? Or like someone who hires you.
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Yeah, yeah, I know. You do it quietly.
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You get it done, you disappear, that sort of thing.
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Yeah, it is. Why is some sort of connection?
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The exactly. Then I was kind of wondering the
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first time I listened to it. It kind of sounded like
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Lutheran's assistant. It almost sounded like she was
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maybe diverging from luthan like going behind his back.
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I wasn't sure if I read that scene correctly because of her
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implication in removing or getting rid of Cassian, kind of
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that. Yeah, and something something
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she said about the money. I don't like this.
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Is what of rebellion looks like almost like Lutheran isn't going
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far enough, but I'm not sure I read that correctly because the
24:00
next time I watched it I was like well now I'm not sure what
24:03
the hell she's talking about. Well, I thought it was a little
24:06
extreme that she went that route.
24:09
I also thought it was very nice. That Vel asked about Santa, oh,
24:14
yeah. Who's still there, by the way.
24:17
She hasn't gotten off of all Donnie yet.
24:20
Yeah, and that goddamn Star Destroyer is.
24:23
Then and if you heard the wireless that loosen was
24:27
listening to their saying that all those tribes people that the
24:31
Donnie or whatever they're called that they're now being
24:34
held for questioning. The local populace is being
24:37
treated badly because it seemed like they were in on it with the
24:41
rebels. Like it's started to really hit
24:44
me how even the people who worked at the dam, they were
24:48
also being held for interrogation by is be, they
24:50
said all of that on this wireless radio that Lutheran was
24:53
Listening to and it's like even the people that had nothing to
24:57
do with it, there's consequences to people who are actually
25:00
opposed to. It are experiencing
25:02
consequences. It's just like a ripple effect.
25:05
So even though, like it must be done, you know, the Rebellion
25:09
must happen. If you want to break this
25:11
Empire, it's gonna destroy innocent bystanders.
25:16
There's going to be a lot of collateral damage that it's
25:20
again, that question that we come upon all the time in Star
25:22
Wars is the end. Sofia means.
25:24
Well, you could also look at it this way, they're either going
25:27
to be destroyed by the Empire anyway, or used and destroyed.
25:34
In your point, the means justifying the ends, which I
25:38
don't know if there is a good answer for that.
25:40
I don't know if there ever is. There's, there's never going to
25:43
be, no casualties, right? When it comes to fighting for
25:48
something of this Grandeur of this size of this magnitude.
25:53
Dude. Yeah, it's a shame because that
25:56
was probably the last I that those natives well received
25:59
because of this. Yeah, and I hate that I hate
26:03
that. I hate how it ties into the
26:05
history of our own planet and society.
26:08
And what we've done to to native tribes and cultures, you know,
26:13
there's just no good answer to any of it.
26:15
Right. But I honestly to go back to
26:18
your question about the to the dark-haired and Vel.
26:22
I get the sense that They know each other better than just
26:26
teammates. I would II just got the sense of
26:29
a sisters. Yeah.
26:31
Because they're talking like they're both, they both know a
26:34
lot. They're both not saying a lot
26:37
and they're both very connected to Lutheran which I always
26:41
wondered in the beginning in the first few episodes.
26:43
Why does he trust this girl so much?
26:45
What would make sense if this girl was his daughter too?
26:48
Yes, I've got it there. You know, and she could dye her
26:51
hair so they don't look. Related or something, and he
26:54
wears that wig and yeah, girl. Just wearing wigs.
26:59
Yeah. The weaves in Coruscant cannot
27:03
be beat the best of the best. Yeah, well, I mean, they're all
27:09
just trying to be Padme. Hey the day good trying and
27:13
failing. Yeah exactly and Kenobi big
27:16
shoes to fill for hair so yeah they're big wigs to fill.
27:21
I don't know but so What is she was going through Coruscant?
27:25
She stopped on that little chalk, mark on the, we are, yes,
27:29
yes, some people have said, is that Red Dawn or something like
27:34
that. Do you know what that is?
27:35
I've never even heard of that. I do not know.
27:39
That is not something I had considered, oh, Crimson Dawn.
27:44
Sorry. That's what I was.
27:45
That's what I was thinking Crystal.
27:46
That was like, Red Dawn. I'm pretty sure it's a movie
27:48
about North Korea. Right at night is Sailor's
27:54
Delight. Good morning is Sailors warning.
28:02
Okay, so Crimson Dawn is Kira from solo and mall at all that
28:09
shit. So write the symbol of did look
28:12
enough. Like if you were to draw the
28:14
symbol in chalk, it might look like that.
28:16
So I was wondering, if are they going to tie this shit together?
28:19
Well, how on Earth could they be tied together?
28:21
Crimson Dawn, was not good. Right.
28:25
So but like maybe financially I don't know because sometimes a
28:30
lot of times of War you fund your efforts through crying.
28:36
Yeah. But I mean they just stole a
28:39
bunch of credits from the Empire.
28:41
Yeah. I mean the truth is I think they
28:44
did that more as like to force them, to tighten their grip and
28:49
that like the money was secondary, but is it?
28:53
It funny like one of our first episodes we were talking about
28:56
and or we're saying, like mall is out there in this universe
29:01
roaming around. We did say this, it would be so
29:05
fucking crazy. If he ends up in this show, I
29:08
will lose my fucking shitty because not prepared for this
29:12
yet. Neither and they've been telling
29:14
everybody this shows, not fanservice, we're not doing this
29:18
shit. So then have like, something
29:19
like that happens. I might lose my fucking mind,
29:22
but I mean I Would not be upset to see Kira again because I love
29:27
me some Emilia Clarke. She's awesome.
29:30
And she did a wonderful job in that role and I am still curious
29:34
as to WTF what her life is and how she's involved and all that.
29:39
So maybe we'll get, I don't know, I just don't know.
29:42
They don't eat well, and there was their previous reference
29:46
where Cassie and said he was on Meme bond which is where solo
29:50
so, well that it doesn't start there, but Han Solo is there.
29:53
There, I don't know if they're gonna try and force people to
29:56
like solo. They might have trouble.
30:00
Well, no, but I could see them trying to connect.
30:02
Yeah. Especially with finances.
30:04
Yeah, it's thing makes the most sense.
30:07
There's an interesting observation.
30:08
I didn't even think to notice the marking but that is
30:13
interesting. Speaking of Prisons Cassie and
30:17
gets thrown in one. Yeah, that was sudden this is
30:23
the No, I like the least number one.
30:25
I had no idea what the fuck was going on.
30:26
Was that present day? Was it a flashback?
30:28
Yeah. Did it matter.
30:30
Like what happened? Etc.
30:32
I thought the some but then we see the K units.
30:36
Yes her title the K units, the Kay's start yet the K2 as so
30:44
replicas I don't ya so he the way they introduced that one
30:50
dragging bodies up. I said oh well here We go.
30:54
I mean, here we go because Cassie and not Cassian.
30:57
K2 would actually do that willingly like he would drag gin
31:03
and Cassie and if he had to buy the collars of their shirt, if
31:06
he needed to in a later life, you know what I'm saying?
31:09
So I could totally see it. I really hated everything about
31:14
this scene. I shouldn't say hate.
31:16
I just, it was very abrupt. It was very sudden, yes, it was
31:21
thrust at us. I was Most of the scene trying
31:24
to figure out. What, what exactly am I looking
31:27
at? Where are we present-day?
31:28
Not present day but the interesting thing is, and I
31:31
learned this from a Screen Rant video that I watched on
31:34
recapping. The episode is that when they
31:37
stamp Cassie ins basically like his prison card.
31:43
Mmm, the are abash is incorrect. It's someone else's sentence so
31:50
freely. So either it's a Mistake on the
31:55
filming and editing which doesn't seem likely.
31:58
Yeah. Or he got he was given somebody
32:00
else's sentencing and that will play into something in the
32:04
future because they very very clearly show her scraping and
32:09
like stamping that thing and it's a clear view which they
32:12
wouldn't do an accident. You know.
32:15
But on accident. Yeah and it's somebody else's
32:18
name. It's not his fake name or
32:21
sensitive. No, it's a before.
32:23
Head of individual. What?
32:26
So so the question brought up in the Screen Rant video I did not
32:29
come up with this on my own but I wanted to discuss it with you
32:33
and our audience because I really it's crazy.
32:37
Why would they send any for sensitive individual to prison?
32:41
They would just kill him or send him to the inquisitors, right?
32:44
That's fucking weird. What the fuck?
32:46
Why why would they put that on the thing?
32:49
The little Stampy thing, that's crazy.
32:52
How did you, you know that because it says on there that
32:55
therefore sensitive, like, right on the if you interpret the are
32:58
a bash on his stamped card it's not even his sentencing.
33:02
It's not his name and it says the Injustice being you know,
33:07
charged is for sensitivity. Holy shit.
33:10
That's crazy. That's crazy.
33:12
That can't be an accident. Well, what the fuck does it
33:14
mean? I mean they showed her.
33:16
She was basically, she was like eating pistachios.
33:18
There's things that a she's like she was clearly distracted blah,
33:22
blah, blah. Luckily we go six months
33:24
sentence, six years. Yeah.
33:27
So I wonder if all of this, he will end up playing to his
33:32
advantage. And that's how he breaks out of
33:34
prison, or they all break out of prison.
33:37
And, you know, that scene that we get with their young white
33:39
uniform. Yes.
33:39
Yes. Assuming that has to do with
33:41
this. Yes, I think so too.
33:43
That's crazy, though. Well, it also makes sense to
33:46
that like, you Lauren was saying that they were trip.
33:49
Going sentences. Clearly six months to six years
33:53
is not tripling a sentence. So it's almost like the woman
33:57
and the man who said, six years, whoever that guy was off to the
34:00
side. It's like, they were like
34:02
looking at different paperwork or something.
34:05
No. Yes.
34:06
And that's why even if it's like 60, here's what, yeah.
34:11
And they don't even, they just, they have a line of people to
34:13
get through. Let's move them through.
34:15
They don't care. She's busy no peanuts, whatever,
34:18
and like, just Up the wrong thing.
34:20
Yeah. Oh, that's really interesting.
34:22
I can't wait to see how that plays out.
34:23
Somebody interpreted all this, it was not me.
34:26
I said I completely agree with you on all of this, though.
34:28
Like, everything was superb, rupt changing to that sequence
34:32
was abrupt. And then everything within the
34:33
sequence was abrupt how he was like with a woman in bed.
34:37
And then he was walking on the beach and then suddenly was
34:41
under arrest and then went to prison like it all happened in
34:44
like a two-minute period. And like you I was like, are we
34:48
seeing a flashback? What the fuck is going on right
34:50
here? Well, then it went right to
34:52
Cyril sitting in his own prison. If you will doing data entry or
34:57
whatever the fuck that is, I hate.
34:59
And so I had too much, he hates Uncle Harlow, whoever the fuck
35:05
he is, we still don't know, did not come through.
35:07
Well, he gave him the chance to clean his slate, but definitely
35:11
would. You did, he did get his slate
35:13
clean the guy just wiped it out. Yeah.
35:16
Oh, they don't know about that. So let's just get rid of.
35:18
It must be nice. Ice, why couldn't they do it for
35:21
Cassian? Like, damn.
35:23
Oh, he doesn't have an uncle Harlow.
35:24
I guess I loved the scene between Cyril and his mother
35:28
because she's sitting. There is like, are you gonna
35:32
wear that? Like, what are you wearing?
35:34
She's waiting almost an identical outfits.
35:39
Like, wow, you're gonna tell me about my collar while I sit here
35:43
and eat my Cocoa. Puffs, what did you make of him
35:47
getting up about the all Donnie thing?
35:49
You think he connected it to what went on on farex with gasps
35:55
Ian? Yeah, like something about it,
35:57
triggered it as mine, but we don't know what it is yet.
36:00
He is going to end up going to Deidre.
36:02
He's gonna find a way to get to her.
36:04
I think you're right. I really do.
36:05
I think you're right, because what is he, where did they Place
36:08
him? Wasn't it?
36:09
Something about fuel consumption or something like that?
36:13
Maybe he doesn't like his job. That sounds like a nightmare,
36:17
but he's gonna go in there. And use that to his advantage
36:20
and look things up. He's probably gonna see
36:22
something and then he and udrih are going to just be the perfect
36:26
nightmare team up. Yeah.
36:29
People are saying they're saying they're gonna hook up and stuff.
36:32
I don't see it. He's so stiff know.
36:34
And I know that she's stiff but she she at least has like
36:38
standards, honestly. She to me, seems like the kind
36:42
of woman who has no time for that anyway.
36:45
No, no, she's too busy being fabulous.
36:48
Yes. Yeah.
36:50
Oh this is if that bun, got any tighter, my god, seriously, and
36:58
I kind of want to ask. I want to ask the actress, did
37:02
it hurt when they pinned back. If it did you'd play into it.
37:07
Yes. Yes.
37:08
You'd be like, man, we gettin, the better writer.
37:14
Make me look surprised. Instant facelift.
37:20
Wow, she's a beautiful woman. She has the most gorgeous eyes
37:25
and she has that perfectly stiff like mouth.
37:28
Yes, yes. It's like a freaking line.
37:32
Yeah, it's like she has pucker mouth.
37:34
Like she's constantly pissed off and disappointed and every she's
37:38
the perfect Empire person. Yeah.
37:41
She's she's thriving. She is what she's doing, she's
37:44
where she belongs. She's living for best life.
37:49
She's 35 thriving with a bun. That no one else.
37:53
Could do not even Padme herself. Oh my God, I love her boss.
37:58
I love that character. He is so interesting when she's
38:03
talking about how the sector lines, don't make any sense and
38:06
the rebels don't give a shit about where you draw the lines
38:09
and just saying it, right? To the guy's face who drew those
38:11
lines. And then he just says, Thisis
38:14
please. Yes.
38:16
Yes. And in fact it was like a tennis
38:19
match caught in the way that they filmed it.
38:21
Yeah. Fourth back to the guy, then to
38:24
Deidre. Then to the other guy, then back
38:25
to G, then the other guy like, you know, and she CounterPoint
38:29
in every point that was made, she had facts to back it up.
38:33
She's like a lawyer. Look yes, she's a damn good
38:37
lawyer. I loved that.
38:39
They made her boss intelligent enough to listen to her even
38:42
though she was in Insulting him because that's what makes a
38:46
person like that. Very ruthless is that they're
38:49
not blinded by their anger. They're taking all the things in
38:53
there, absorbing it and then they take the most important
38:56
pieces and use it to their advantage.
38:58
And he can see that she's going to be an asset and that she's
39:01
not busy squabbling. Like the other guy who is in
39:04
charge of a she's actually putting shit like connecting
39:08
dots. He says find evidence she finds
39:11
evidence. Hmm.
39:13
I love her character. I loved it and he says, watch
39:17
your back, you know, little friendly advice.
39:21
Watch your back. It's like, I'm pretty sure
39:23
that's what they're all doing in that bastard.
39:25
That that bitch of a room. You know, I also wondered, okay.
39:29
I didn't catch it the first time or the second time I watched it
39:32
they keep showing that like really pale thin guy who has
39:35
like a red mustache in the SPD had for him.
39:39
I do to seems like he's not living his best.
39:41
Why? I know but I wonder if He's a
39:43
spy. Oh, because they kept saying
39:46
that we have a mole and whose mall is it.
39:54
I'm just thinking of Austin Powers now.
39:56
Are you cut it up and turn it into guacamole?
40:08
I love that movie. Sorry, Because they keep showing
40:15
him, even though he doesn't really do anything.
40:17
But every time they show him, there are saying that like
40:20
you're behind on your reports. Why aren't your detention levels
40:24
up to everybody else's? Like is it because he's spying?
40:29
So he's not like paying attention to doing his work.
40:32
Or is he just a competent? I don't know.
40:33
It just kind of caught my attention.
40:35
So that's a really good pickup. I never thought of that.
40:38
I just thought they used them as like instead of diving right
40:41
into the other two main Characters at the round table.
40:45
They soften it with him, but, but they don't do anything about
40:49
purpose and this show exactly well into that point.
40:53
Somebody mentioned that Marva makes a point of saying to
40:57
Cassie and stop looking for your sister unprompted out of nowhere
41:01
and people were saying that was sad.
41:03
It's sad. But like why does she know what
41:06
happened to his sister? They wouldn't bring it up
41:09
without a reason, so I'm assuming it's because he's
41:13
either. Find out what happens to her.
41:16
Yeah. Some people were saying maybe
41:17
he'll discover her in prison which would be very far-fetched
41:21
like that would be him. Crazy coincidence, that
41:24
happened. But I don't know.
41:26
She did follow it up with saying it.
41:28
Wasn't any of your fault? It was never the kids fault.
41:31
It wasn't their fault. What happened to those kids?
41:33
Yeah. Which doesn't mean that they all
41:35
died. Yeah, I mean that they all got
41:37
captured imprisoned turned into a whatever slaves.
41:43
Yes um Something we have no idea so maybe she said, don't follow,
41:47
don't try to find your sister because it's a dead end because
41:50
you can't turn her back anyway. If you do find her, she's in a
41:53
position that you're not going to like right.
41:55
Yeah. I know.
41:56
That's kind of how I took it more that not that she's dead
42:00
but because what you discover is only going to hurt you more.
42:04
I mean they just had a conversation about What Love Can
42:06
Do. Yes.
42:07
And then she says, and by the way, don't look for your sister
42:11
right to throw it out. To imply that she's dead.
42:15
Seems to final four something that started the series they
42:19
started the series with him. Looking for her, he's going to
42:22
end up finding her and it's not going to be good.
42:24
Yes, just not. Well, that's the thing.
42:27
Where, like, narrowing our prospects here of like, what's
42:29
gonna force him to like really believe in the rebel cause, and
42:34
I'm really scared because it's gonna be, I'm sure something
42:38
terrible happening to Marva and be which I just, I cannot watch.
42:43
It, it's gonna just fucking crush me and, and, or his sister
42:48
because he says to Jin. You're not the only one who lost
42:52
everything and he hasn't lost everything yet.
42:55
Not yet, ours is pain. Star Wars is pain.
43:02
It's so good though. It's really good.
43:11
Our listener question is, Jen's arya's L.
43:15
And that woman related. Is that the Crimson Dawn symbol?
43:20
Yes. What else do you?
43:23
What else you do? You think that we missed about
43:26
this questionable? See not questionable but curious
43:28
scene. Yeah, yeah.
43:30
Also it's Cass soon. Force-sensitive.
43:33
Is Marva gonna be okay. Please tell us everything you
43:38
think. So we want to know because we
43:40
want to know next Except us owed.
43:44
Holy shit. Tales of the Jedi is finally
43:48
here, wewe. We're gonna talk about as much
43:52
of it as we can if we can get it all in in one episode.
43:55
If not, we'll split it into two. Hmm.
43:57
But we're gonna do our best, they're short.
43:59
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