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Episode 71: Andor Episode 4 Was So Good We Just Had to Talk About It (SPOILERS!) · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello. Then it's time for most things
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Kenobi. Hi everyone, welcome to another
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episode of most things Kenobi. A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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and all things Star Wars. I'm your host Lauren, I'm your
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host Leanne alarm. Klaxon alert, special alert,
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yes. We know we're breaking our
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regularly scheduled programming because and or was so damn good,
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we gotta talk about it. First of all, they were like,
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We're Not Gonna Do It Episode by episode.
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It's like actually be able to get away with it, because it's
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so fucking good. We just had to fuck.
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Yeah, this one was really good. Episode 4, was really, really
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good. It's really good.
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It's really good. And you and I were already were
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texting is setting voice messages.
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And I was like, we gotta just record it because you are making
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so many good points, you're blowing my mind with somebody.
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I was like we just it's Too much, it's too good.
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Let's just do it. Well, I am slightly surprised
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that I blew your mind with what I said in the message.
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So you did holy shit. We should just start right there
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because your observation was so on point.
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It I was just like, how did I not even notice.
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I was just so drawn in by the story and all the different
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levels and and different plot threads that are going on.
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Yeah, that I kind of like didn't even Seeing that.
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So tell the people that's why there's what you love us.
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What I essentially said was, and I guess we can use this as you
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know, a platform to to start the episode, is that we saw the
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Empire, we saw the Senate and we saw a rebel group and what I
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said to you was, we're kind of seeing the same theme in every
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single group, whether it's Rebel group of seven or all the way up
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to the boardroom. Umm of Imperial intelligence if
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you will and there they can't trust each other.
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They're playing sides. They're holding back information
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from one another. Yeah they're they're playing two
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different parts, all of them and I thought it was fantastic that
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we got to see it in layers, all in one episode and it was the
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introduction of the Empire and the Senate I mean we're back to
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Coruscant. How fucking strange was that?
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It was real It was like visiting a city, you had been to like 10
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years ago and coming back as a kind of similar but also kind of
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different. Yeah, it was cool seeing it
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drains but we got to see a lot. We got to see a lot in this
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episode and the pacing was fantastic.
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The storytelling was great. The the cinematography again the
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sounds the Tie fighters coming in.
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Now that I know I thought of you with the Tie Fighter flew
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through the valley, I was like, that's Lee and she would love
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That it was so cure because it was not clouded by laser blast
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or anything. It was just like the to that
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flew by, and it was cool that they heard it before it got
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there. And then they hit and like, then
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they went and I was like, yeah, we get to see that.
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No one. Trusts anybody in this new in
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this new Galaxy. I loved that.
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I think that. So, it was so cool because it
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and I like that it didn't occur to me kind of, at first, like
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not until you mentioned it because it's that means it
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wasn't super heavy. Ended.
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They're just showing these stories going on.
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And if you pick up on the fact that it's like the same thing
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happening in, the Empire is happening in this little group
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of rebels, where there's a new person in the group, someone's
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kind of given them shit. There's a lot of distrust people
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fighting for their position, you know, like the leader of the
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rebels. Luthan is saying to her, you
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wanted to lead, you have to step up this exact to make these
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decisions and that doesn't necessarily mean you get to be
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popular at the same time. Truth is that?
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That was So interesting. Well, any leadership book will
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tell you those exact words you know.
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So it was it was excellent. Yeah it was so cool.
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I love. Is it loosen is that his name?
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I think so. Yeah.
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Lou then depending on how you roll the tea and ate the H, rail
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the main dude. I loved his performance.
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He actually shouted at that woman.
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Look at me and he has such a Gruff way about him and then he
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puts The Way Gone, the Rings and totally transforms and he had to
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like Cactus get to like practice in that room by itself.
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You could tell it ate at him, that he had to do that and I,
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yes, loved it, loved it. I do too at like, selling
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Skarsgård never plays a character like that just to see
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him like smiling know and feel like come right into my lovely.
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It's just like, who is this man? Well, that's the that's it.
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That's the Partners plays and what an interesting Art Gallery.
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Yes, strange. And I loved that.
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They kind of juxtapose that with Cyril going home.
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Oh, totally totally, which I pretty sure he's on Coruscant.
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Yeah, correct me if I'm wrong. But no, he is.
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And I was checking to see how far down he went because the
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farther down, you are, of course, on the poor.
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So, he's about like, middle class, upper middle upper middle
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class, but he wasn't eating. Go down for very long, but
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Enough to know that he had crawled up out of there.
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Yeah and now he's going back down again and and the Empire
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says Don't Look Down for how far you've my God, you're right.
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And then they pant him literally going down falling down.
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The ladder that I'm telling you, every show is so fucking smart.
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Everything in the show is deliberate and I fucking
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appreciate it. If I could hug everyone who
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wrote this show, but this is a far cry from what I thought
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about episodes wanted to but you know what, I heard everything in
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this episode, I was prepared. I heard every line few things
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were quiet, but not every episode is, you know.
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And one thing I appreciate about this show is, I can see, it's
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not the dark show that we're used to, where they just make
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everything. So, dark Game of Thrones where
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you can't see everything, and you think shits happened, but
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you're not sure because it's so dark.
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We're not getting that. We're getting.
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What fucking planet was that they were on because I loved it.
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The, the Iceland looking with the Nordic.
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Shepherd's. I loved that whole thing.
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Their outfits were it's bringing great and it was such an
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interesting mix to because it was like it could have been some
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sort of like northern European like even like ukrainians have
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that like traditional embroidery.
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Yes. But then it also like was
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reminiscent of like Mexico and no no Poncho the shepherd
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there's well and like the embroidery that they have.
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So it was kind of just like this beautiful homage to I don't even
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know how to describe it. Like Shepherd Folk Ever if
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there's a term for that but I don't know what it was, but I
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loved it. The shepherding.
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Yeah, it was great. And there's a little bit of like
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culture that they gave Cassie and about the stars and the
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yeah, that was very cool. I'll I know, I was like I was so
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excited. I was like, are we going to get
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to see it? Because you're like, you're the,
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you're the cosmos one of us. You're the one who looks to the
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moon and the stars that here and I was like, oh man, if we
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actually saw that Lauren would Lauren would die of Happiness.
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If that was a thing. In real life I would pilgrimage
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to that every time that happened because it sounds amazing.
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Sounds cool as hell. Anyway, I thought that culture
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bit was cool. Well and so this just shows that
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like I don't really read that many books like, Star Wars
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books. I read a few of them like
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mainstream books. I'm not super deep at all the
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reading. So all these little details that
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we're seeing, like kassian said, he fought in some war and then
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Lutheran's like you didn't fight you were a cook like you know,
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these little things about where their Referencing like
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peripheral stuff that's going on.
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I don't know if they're making all of this up or if it's
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already some of it I'm sure it's like already exists in Legends
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or whatever it is fucking brilliant and like you don't
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actually need to know all the details.
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You could watch it and not know and still get so much out of it
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because I was just talking to my sister about this.
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She was saying, she liked how in Cassie and flashbacks they don't
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translate what the kids are saying.
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No you have to gather. Yeah, and you don't you don't
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need it. You Can read the Dynamics, and
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it's kind of it. Kind of is also a way to use
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like a cinematic way of keeping you as a viewer at arm's length
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from the memory. Yes, which maybe is even
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something Cassie and is experiencing, so it's the same
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thing with all these other little details where it's like,
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you don't have to know, it's just a layer there, that
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contextualizes the character a little bit more just by the
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reference points that they give you.
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But you don't actually have to know that The details of what
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they're talking about. I just these writers are so
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good. I just feel very strongly if you
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all could see her talking with her hands, which I don't
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normally do it normally like it's usually me.
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Yeah. She's very passionate about
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this. Hey, I told you, I text you like
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four minutes in that, I was already loving it.
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The conversation between Lutheran and Cassie and on the
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ship when it was taking place they go into.
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To hyperspace and they're having this conversation.
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I loved every second of it. It was the tension and the kind
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of Lutheran already knows enough about them to kind of pin him in
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this position and it's like you can fight and it can actually
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mean something instead of just chipping away at them and still
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dying in the end. You know.
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And yeah God we know that he dies in the end anyway but it
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matters and this is his path to making it matter but you were
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talking about the books. I just recently finished Rebel
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rising and I know you're Planning on reading it soon.
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So I won't spoil anything for you and for others but I
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couldn't help but put together a few similarities, some not so
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obvious and some very obvious between gin and Cassie and in
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those first scenes on the ship, pulls a knife out of his Boot
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and in Rebel Rising Jin is very connected to the knife that she
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keeps in her boot and then he has the kyber crystal necklace
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which of course is very much like gin but the words that
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cash. And says, and this is why I love
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that opening scene was like, what does it matter to eat
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Matters To Live. Another Day matters to, you
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know, keep running and find those things.
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That's literally, what Jin felt in the end, you know, because
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none of, it really matters to like, the little guy, right.
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And losing is just like luthan. It's hard for a Middle Earth or
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like myself to not think lúthien, because Beren, and
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lúthien, or such a staple characters in my language
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programmed in. Yeah.
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So, Luthan or loo than or whatever his name is very close
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to luthien. And I have to remember not to
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say that but Lord of the Rings fans will forgive me.
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I hope but louth and basically flat out, just tells him.
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Nah, it's not going to fly. This is gonna, this is gonna
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mean something and we want you. It's so cool.
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I love that. They're they're bringing these
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parallels. Yes, it's so good.
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Because Diego Luna says that actually posted this on my
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Instagram or while back I was watching interviews with him and
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Felicity Jones. When Rogue 14, About.
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And he was saying it first. When he meets Jin kind of
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doesn't like her because she's a mirror to.
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It's hard to look the truth in the face.
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Exactly. And he said, at first, you know,
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your kind of put off by that and then over time you start to
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realize like this is a person that I can connect with because
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they're so similar to me and like, I thought that was really
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interesting. It is because we see why in the
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end when Jen is kind of turned down by the Rebellion for her
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suggestion to go And she walks out and casting is leading this
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group and says, we'll follow you, but we believe in you and
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will join this. Cause why we understand, we're
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getting glimpses into his thinking as to how he gets, why
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he believes in this stranger? Well, they were all strangers
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who didn't believe at one point or another, right?
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And they've gone through and done so much for the Rebellion
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that they needed a new spark like this.
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And they mentioned saw gerrera in this episode.
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I know I'm very excited. To see him come back.
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I just can't believe we're gonna get him again.
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I can't wait to see. I can't wait to get it.
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Either Forest Whitaker does such a good job with that.
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Kid is so good. I can't see anyone else in that
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in that role. No, I mean, he wasn't the first
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to play him because he was animated first, but like, the,
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his performance is so unexpected.
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I know. But I really like know I love
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for some pretty good. Anyway, I love him anyway.
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Yeah, but as saw as the Heavily damaged, but very passionate
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individual. He just pulls it off so well,
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who I can't. Wait, can we talk about mon
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mothma? Because I have things to say
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yes. Oh my God, please.
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Okay, good. I know, we're just dying to get
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to it. Let's just get to it, but holy
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fuck, who's impressed, right, hands raised both of us.
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Me my God Genevieve is so good Genevieve, Genevieve, Genevieve.
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So good. I mean out the gate owns it.
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It's so natural. That's what they that's what I
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was blowing. My fucking mind about this show
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is the performances. Yes, are nothing like Star Wars
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performances, which it's true. It's fine.
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Like they could be a little clunky, right?
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Yeah. And like, sometimes you're going
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like, oh, that like cringe moment, that was really cringey
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bad. But like it's part of Of the
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like love, you know that you have for Star Wars this show,
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just like drops. All that shit.
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They're like, we're going hard and we're going real and we
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don't give a fuck Tony Gilroy. Recently said they start where
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they did and up the ante every episode and so far.
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I see nothing that argues that. Yeah, and definitely, okay.
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So I gotta say, Genevieve's performance, I she's going to be
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it for me. Like this is going to be the
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character I watch because as soon as you see, I mean, they're
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already kind of saying like, oh she has a new driver so they
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know all this stuff, right? And it's kind of a coordinated
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like so Lutheran's Little Flower cutter.
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Handler, helper employee, is it kind of like an assistant that?
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I'm not sure what the relationship is there yet, but
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it looks like she took the the new driver off to the side.
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To give them a moment to speak candidly behind it but not too
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long so she's in on it. Yeah definitely.
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Yeah just enough to be natural. Yes.
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And And the facade just drops immediately and they speak
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frankly and then it's back on and they walk out like nothing
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happens. And you mentioned when she got
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in the car and they're driving away, she had to like open her
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her Caper coat, or whatever that beautiful outfit is like, to
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have a moment to breathe. This woman has so much on her
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shoulders and it's evident, she looks exhausted.
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And we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg when it's so funny.
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You mentioned that this morning Then I was reading the Rogue one
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novelization earlier and I'm just at the beginning.
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So, mon mothma has literally just walked in and they said she
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is exhausted. Oh, she looks it forever.
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All through Clone Wars. All she was doing, was trying to
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help people like pet with Padme and bail.
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And it was, who is it? Sisyphus or whoever who keeps
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rolling the boulder up. So, that's it guys back down.
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I was like, that's a mythical. Yeah, but I see where you're
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going. Yeah, I was like I don't think
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there's a Star Wars character named Sissy Sissy over there.
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Should be should be. I don't even I was just not sure
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if I was pronouncing it correctly.
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Oh that's a dude. Yeah, wrong with a boulder up
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differently apparel and I feel like that's her life.
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Like her whole life has been beautiful, compare seeing things
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for change and then someone else undermines and rolls it back in
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every Arena. Right?
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Like in the Senate and now in the A spy like Rebel underground
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and then in her personal life we're getting a glimpse in their
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amazing that wow. Her fucking house is a pad.
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Is it not wholly? They got it beautiful and to see
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that like also juxtapose this Terrell's hobo totally, right.
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So interesting. You think she's like at the top,
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what you see, as you get inside her life, is its treacherous.
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Yeah. She thinks.
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She's Done for the day she comes in.
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She's finally like okay fuck that was another long day and
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then she's presented with this dinner that she has to with a
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bunch of people. She knows don't like her and she
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has to put on the side on again. You can just see how like
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exhausted she is. And she just wants like a minute
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to herself and then his consent, it's nonstop with her and I
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loved the part where she says every day.
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There's new faces. I can't keep track of them.
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I don't know who's on my side. They keep switching roles and
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can you imagine the mental tasks?
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Always keeping track and knowing, who's on your side and
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who it has to be. It's exhausting for me to think
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about, you'd be so paranoid all the time and he or she's, I
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didn't even know that was her husband, until the like, I told
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you, they made the note about the art.
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I thought he was just a servant the way that they talk to each
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other honest to God. I had no idea that was her
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husband. No clue.
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I was like, who the fuck is this guy?
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He's incapable. And I was like, oh, that's her
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husband. Oops, poor choice seems to.
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He seems like the kind of guys who, like, maybe Read her for
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money and status. And yeah, now is Sport the way
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he says, does, everything always have to be boring and sad.
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I was just like, oh, I hate you. So yeah, he's right up there
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with him with two M's. They could all go straight to
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hell. But honestly, what I wanted to
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tell sad and boring. What's his name is that it's no
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Star Wars is pain. What the word you're looking for
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is pain. You're in the right place.
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Yeah. Right.
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I loved the set design. Her home, beautiful gorgeous,
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incredible. The rows of they weren't
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columns, but they were like dividers or screen like a shot
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was or yeah. And it was beautiful.
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And then they had cherry blossoms hanging.
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Yeah. In the house.
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First thing was like a bonsai tree of cherry blossoms.
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That's it. Look like I was like, that's
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obviously a very deliberate choice.
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I wanted to like look into it. And yeah what's like what's the
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representation of a cherry blossom and a lot of the stuff I
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was reading. He's saying it's a sign of
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spring and renewal, but it is a very short existence, it blooms
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beautifully and then it disappears and it's fleeting
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life. Oh, that's good.
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Well, that's deliberate to, right?
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It's about, like it's part of the all things must must change.
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All things must end and you have to learn to come to terms with
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that. But like to have all of that
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hanging in her home is like this really delicate fleeting thing
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that won't live for very long. On.
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Yes, I was just like whoa that's amazing to that point when she
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walks in and there's that tree she takes her necklace C thing
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off. So I looked that up because I
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was very curious, every promotional photo has her with
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this brooch. It has the chains and then it's
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pinned and she had it there and they I saw it.
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And I said, okay, they're focusing on it and of course we
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know mon mothma for having the double chain on the white, you
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know, whites are color the double chain.
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So I Looked it up and I don't think it's by mistake, although
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I don't know what it fully means.
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So the double hanging like one pin on each shoulder and then
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there's a pendant in the middle. This is from the original
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trilogy, it's called a Hannah pendant, which is the pendant
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given to women in chandrila, which is her home planet.
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It's a medal of freedom, however, in and or it's upside
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down. So I don't know if it's earned.
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And it's flipped, or if she's wearing it upside down on
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purpose. There, I couldn't find an
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explanation, but I thought that was very interesting, that it
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does mean something, but only in the photographs, in the original
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trilogy, it's upright, but currently in and or it's upside
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down, so I have to believe it means something.
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I just don't know what. Yeah, well do you know, the the
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symbol of the American flag hanging upside down.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah. It's like a sign of distress.
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Dress. Yes.
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That like she flips it as a sign of we're in distress.
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No Freedom until everyone's free or distress.
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Yeah. Yeah exam I'll accept any
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answers but it's the same symbol is just upside down.
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So so interesting, you know that none of this shit is an
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accident. Oh no.
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Oh no. That's why I had to look it up
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the cherry blossoms. Beautiful symbolism.
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This is why this show is just blowing my fucking mind.
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They don't have to do any of this, but they do they don't and
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you wouldn't know it. Unless You care enough to look
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into it because they're not telling you, yes, you know.
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So I went through and re-watched before watching the fourth
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episode. I told you, I went through and
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re-watched. One, two, and three.
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Yes, because people have been saying it's it's slow, it's kind
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of boring. It's not grabbing them so I was
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just like come here and look at this.
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All right right. It's been improved since then so
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I'm glad that you'll have to just I guess watch out again
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maybe with subtitles so you can get alittle.
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Hey, I understand. I'm worried that we're not going
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to see those characters again. Yeah, well, I mean you never
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know, you never know, Wars, are you never know?
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But anyway, stars like I wanted to really pay attention to the
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structure and just see, like, are there arbitrary scenes like,
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is there throw away shit? There is not a single scene that
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is throw away. Every single seat is deliberate,
22:37
and every scene is like a domino piece.
22:40
That after that scene, it affects the next and the next,
22:43
and the next, even the very small Seemingly small thing of
22:48
when Bix gets her head hit against the wall and she's
22:51
bleeding. Yeah, and Tim comes running down
22:54
the guy who shoots him. His Superior officer takes his
22:57
gun away, and he's like, go back to the ship.
22:58
Right? You're done.
23:00
Like you're not supposed to, that's not right of what we're
23:02
here for. Exactly.
23:04
So he goes back to the ship and or his friend puts a chain on
23:08
the ship, which I love which I really get Brilliance.
23:11
I didn't I didn't catch that. That was what he had done.
23:14
The first time I watched it. I'm glad I went back.
23:16
And realize you didn't at least caught that because I didn't
23:19
have to hear it. Yeah.
23:22
I got all the nonverbal details of episode 1 and 2, but it was
23:27
brilliant at the gate. He smashes crashes, the the Pod,
23:32
whatever, he's flying, which makes all of the soldiers, turn
23:35
around and realize, oh, they're behind us, which allows Cassie
23:38
and is Skip. It's like, if these chain of
23:41
events are all connected, there isn't a single detail that
23:44
doesn't tie. Very tightly all the threads
23:47
together. So and I just can't even
23:50
process. That shit makes me wonder like,
23:54
okay, so they set up a bunch of things in this episode.
23:56
Where is it going? And we both said, why did it
23:59
have to end when it? Did I wanted my God?
24:03
I was so I was literally like, a kid on Christmas.
24:06
I was just like, no. Yeah, so it can't be over.
24:09
Yeah, this is like a gonna be like some kind of five or six
24:13
hour of long movie or longer just stopped at really
24:17
inopportune times that we don't want it to stop it because it's
24:20
that good. I just have to say Diego Luna's,
24:23
becoming like one of my favorite actors ever.
24:26
I just I can't. I cannot believe how good he is
24:30
and he's excellent. He's really, really handsome
24:34
when he was shaving with that knife.
24:36
Yeah. It was like mmmm.
24:37
Hi, who got Okay? Who in the audience?
24:39
Got Captain America and game or Infinity war?
24:43
Was it Infinity war or no? It was endgame, Infinity War.
24:45
He, The beard anyway. He shaved before you know?
24:49
Right I just heading. Yeah, I just had I just had a
24:52
shaving moment but you know and or looks great because he's
24:56
mostly clean in Rogue one. So he goes from being kind of
25:00
like disheveled and I'm not unkempt but just doesn't care,
25:03
we'll say a due date. Yeah.
25:05
It's better things to Greg. Lee beard.
25:07
Yeah. Hair sticking out.
25:08
Yeah. And now he's got to like play
25:11
but I was so uncomfortable with him.
25:13
Not knowing and staying quiet. I'm used to To Cassie and like
25:17
being Cassian. So it's nice.
25:19
Yeah, that Diego's getting to play his character from a place
25:22
where he's not in power, and not in charge.
25:24
Yeah. And takes orders as opposed to
25:27
giving them, you know, we'll see the growth.
25:29
That's the thing is like, it's very rewarding to see a
25:32
character step into their power. Yeah.
25:34
But, you know, he's coming from a place.
25:37
Now, we know he's been in prison.
25:39
He's been in war. He's seen his father hanged in
25:42
the street. Yeah, which we don't have any
25:44
info on. We didn't get any flashbacks in
25:45
this. Which I was okay with it.
25:47
Didn't? Yeah, I think they're going to
25:49
be sprinkled in because they got to give time to the Empire and
25:52
the Senate, and all of that stuff, interspersed with
25:55
flashbacks going in the past, whatever happened on what's the
25:59
planet that he was from, but not from Fest.
26:01
Okay, kick. Hit that.
26:03
Yeah. And then Canary Canary was the
26:05
other one. Yeah, the original one.
26:06
He's really from, right? So, I think they're balancing it
26:10
fairly well so far. Yeah, I'm really excited to see
26:13
what happens with his character because he's I started to kind
26:17
of show signs of the calcium. We knew when he was in that
26:20
group of rebels and here's like you're all crazy.
26:23
Like, this is suicide run and then they explained what they
26:27
were going to do and then they're like, are you in or out?
26:29
And he's like, let's do it. Yeah.
26:30
Like he uses a light them up or whatever he says, I love it.
26:33
Exactly. I got it.
26:36
Kayla can I eat my food first? Who I mean II felt that in my
26:40
core, I felt that in my bones. Can I just eat the first, you
26:45
put Can you pester me with this shit after I eat?
26:48
Like the poor man. You know again like details like
26:51
that that the add so much Humanity.
26:54
Yeah. Otherwise it should be him like
26:55
sitting down and like get into it.
26:57
Yeah, like he's so we see first, he's just not phased by shit in
27:02
a way that I wish I was more like that.
27:05
That's just like, yeah. Okay.
27:06
I'll do it. But I'm gonna finish my dinner.
27:08
Yeah, totally. Yeah.
27:09
You're gonna memorize all this by morning, which means he
27:13
doesn't get to sleep. I just, I really enjoyed it.
27:20
I think he's such a good actor. There's a lot going on in his
27:24
eyes. Hmm, he didn't even talk that
27:28
much in the episode didn't need to know.
27:31
He's in the ship watching Lutheran and I forget the
27:34
leader, woman's name of the herders, I know I can't think
27:38
Rebels, I know the Val Val something like that, very
27:41
pedestrian. Yes.
27:42
Sorry to all the vowels out there but like it's not a Star
27:45
Wars name, but maybe the law. Her version of it is, well, Luke
27:47
is a normal name and I always and that's it.
27:50
You astray with it's funny because it's so hard because you
27:55
have a name like Mon mothma and it's like, well, hey I said
28:02
Diego, Luna on, Jimmy Kimmel, I think the other day and he was
28:05
saying that he insisted on bringing tequila another Star
28:07
Wars universe. So he could pronounce the names.
28:10
Oh that's right. They give him a drink of
28:12
something out of a flask. Is that like the first time
28:15
we've seen that That I don't know because Tim was drinking
28:18
out of a glass. Oh, that's true.
28:20
That's true. Flash them more common.
28:22
In this really liked that from this is a the like mouthpiece
28:26
was off to the side on that. I think that I'll have one
28:29
Disney, please. And thank you.
28:32
Sell those and I'll buy won't like make an adult store please.
28:38
I just, I'm really glad that Disney had the courage.
28:42
There you go. Make a show.
28:43
This bold it's not pulling its punches.
28:46
No of it. Let's talk about the Empire.
28:48
The tension in that room. I do not want to sit in it.
28:53
I don't want to be my God. I don't want to have been an
28:55
office is like that terrible. Horrible, you sit in a
28:58
conference room with a boss like that.
29:00
And the you like, this could have been an email.
29:02
And now we're all sitting here on pins and needles, this could
29:05
have just been an email and, like, kudos to everyone's
29:08
performance because like, they made it as tense as it needed to
29:12
be there. All squabbling and bickering,
29:14
and jabbing each Each other, and it's so passive-aggressive.
29:18
It's no wonder, the Empire didn't like, implode from the
29:21
inside out. Like, how did anything get done
29:25
again? I an overused term here, but I
29:28
can't think of a better one, but it's the crabs in a bucket
29:30
phenomenon where they're all just trying to get one up on
29:33
each other. It's fucking annoying and I love
29:35
it. It's true because it's like it
29:38
that whole system like the way the Empire structures itself
29:42
just in general because you're the Sith and Palpatine it's all
29:45
about. A struggle for power, a power
29:48
play. So every character is doing
29:50
that, all that we sought in Kenobi, with the inquisitors,
29:53
we're seeing here with the Intelligence Officers, it's
29:55
fucking exhausting, it's pathetic and it's crazy to think
29:59
that all of this is happening, I'm Rebels is going on.
30:01
And we just had the inquisitors with Kenobi going on.
30:04
And all of this is like, all these different and somewhere
30:08
out there. Palps and Vader are floating
30:10
around, you know, doing their own thing.
30:13
And it's like, how did I don't know?
30:15
I'm just Amazed. I love their their outfits,
30:18
they're very well-tailored on everyone.
30:20
This just, they were standing there, you know what, their
30:23
arms. The, the woman.
30:25
What's the female character? We were introduced?
30:27
Yes, I don't know her name. I don't know.
30:30
Buddy, her hair was so tight. It was making my head hurt it.
30:33
Seriously, it looked like she was getting bloodshot eyes
30:35
because they're well, here was so jacked my God, but she was
30:39
good. I like where this is going,
30:41
great. Yeah, again here is she's scary.
30:44
She's the aunt. Yeah, but she, there's About
30:46
her. She's the Oddball in all of them
30:49
and she's trying to prove herself and yet is she though,
30:52
she has an interest in all of these stolen items but like why
30:55
fixate? There's something there.
30:57
Yes, I had, it's so interesting, you're saying that.
31:00
So I had a moment where I was wondering about her.
31:03
I was wondering about Cyril. Is he gonna be like Calais in
31:07
Rebels which spoiler alert if you vouchers Rebels.
31:11
It stopped listening first. Yeah, just skip.
31:13
Skip had like three minutes. Four minutes.
31:15
Is he To change. Like are we going to start by
31:18
hating him and grow to like love him?
31:19
And by the end we're going to be like he's an amazing character
31:22
off to a good start because I fucking hate him.
31:24
But I turned his mother slapped him.
31:27
She fucking just flat-out slapped him.
31:30
That was really funny. I was like she hates them tune
31:36
but then I also had a thought. When are we gonna find KFC and
31:40
sister? I don't know.
31:41
For one second. I was like what if she's that
31:44
Imperial intelligence officer? Of course, you would have to be
31:47
dying her hair, which it looked like she was.
31:50
You could see under the blonde. There was no monetary, well, as
31:54
like, that's very unlikely but even so like, what if it turns
31:57
out they like? She's part of the Empire, that
32:00
would be hard to. That would be a hard pill to
32:03
swallow, but I'm here for it. Yeah, it'd be interesting, the
32:06
story fits, I actually thought the girl who patched up Cassie,
32:10
ins arm looked exactly like a grown version of his little
32:14
sister, but that would be too obvious.
32:16
Write it. I had the same.
32:17
Thought he told hi Clarence. Truth be told, I don't think any
32:22
of them are going to make it out of this run except for Cassie
32:24
and and maybe one other. I don't think this is gonna go.
32:28
Well God. Yeah.
32:30
Clarence. Has thoughts is very verbal?
32:34
Yeah, I agree. I think he's probably going to
32:36
be the only one that that makes it.
32:38
And I now I'm like really tense about the kyber crystal.
32:42
Oh, no, wait. Now hold on.
32:43
Did the did his little sister have blue eyes because the
32:46
female Imperial officer that we met She had blue eyes.
32:51
Did she know? I mean they were like when
32:52
you're in headlights you're right.
32:54
I don't think so. I think she has.
32:56
I think his sister is dark eyes. Well the doesn't rule out that
32:59
maybe his sister is a part of the Empire somewhere.
33:01
Yeah I mean I just just like I was going about my business and
33:04
I was thinking like if this was my story and I was writing
33:07
something and Cassie and is desperately trying to find his
33:09
sister and doesn't know what happened and has this weird life
33:12
that kind of was thrust upon him and he made no decisions and
33:15
ended up here. If you were going to crush a
33:17
person what would you do? You would Make his sister be
33:22
something that he's horrified to learn.
33:25
You know I don't know. I still love her.
33:26
I think that's so sad. I think so too.
33:29
I know. Well I mean maybe they'll never
33:31
find her. I asked you in the text message.
33:33
Did you notice the chandelier or light fixture in the circular
33:38
boardroom? That's what I'm going to refer,
33:40
refer to it as in the the Imperial.
33:42
Boardroom support remain on Friends room.
33:46
Yeah, I do a lot of bickering. Yeah.
33:50
Hey, I noticed it. I didn't see it.
33:53
I noticed it to be in the shape of a cogwheel that is brilliant,
33:57
which could be symbolic. That's what I looked.
33:59
That's what I looked at it. As it looked to me like, either,
34:02
you know, what's what powers of watch like the circular pieces
34:07
of a watch like a gear, so smart, if they did that on
34:11
purpose, double Kudos. Oh my God, I'd like everything.
34:15
It's on purpose. A lot of the shots were kind of
34:18
angled upward from Um, the bottom, when they were talking
34:22
to these Imperial individuals in that room and then the
34:26
conversation between the female and the lead older guy who was
34:31
flat-out, owning her, you are 100% correct that came from the
34:35
manual and it is 100% wrong, like her eyes when he said that
34:41
she liked. Yes, ah, shit shit.
34:44
I get it though. They can't go wrong with
34:46
definitions. They have to pretend to be
34:48
something. Everyone is pretending to be.
34:50
Something in this episode. And I am here for it.
34:53
I loved it. I loved it so much.
34:55
I love that they've I know. This is gonna sound totally
34:58
fucked up but I loved it that they even showed like blood in
35:01
this. Because a lot of times people
35:03
do, you know, when thin touch the the Stormtrooper touch fins
35:08
helmet, left, a blood streak that was like the first Blood we
35:11
saw in any of the movies. Yeah, Poe had a streak down his
35:15
the side of his face from the interrogation table.
35:18
I just think it's interesting. Resting that they're like even
35:21
luthan says you're bleeding on my floor which is what.
35:25
Yeah, the mercenary say 20 be one.
35:28
Yeah, you're bleeding. All over my floor is like yes is
35:31
so sweet. It's a real concern in the
35:33
Galaxy. Yeah, there's blood everywhere
35:36
they don't have to whiffers anywhere.
35:42
That's a good point, though. I didn't put any of that
35:44
together and I completely ignored the fact that we saw
35:47
blood again. You're absolutely right.
35:49
Well, There are a lot of little things when mon mothma is
35:52
talking to her shit husband and he mentioned, it's his new name.
35:57
Shit husband, yes. However first I don't know his
36:00
character's name, don't need to shit husband, he's talking
36:03
about, you know, who's going to be at this table.
36:05
And she's like, they stopped the run on the supplies.
36:09
So maybe we can bicker over them.
36:10
Starving over the third course or something.
36:12
Yeah, that was the same race that ends up causing mon mothma
36:17
to leave. That's the now, I can't think of
36:19
the name it. She refers to it later in her,
36:22
in her character's Life Time. As like, the reason why she left
36:25
the Senate altogether. Oh, really.
36:28
Interesting. It was the crisis on some
36:30
planet. Now, I can't think of, but it's
36:32
the one they mention. I wish I could look it up, but
36:34
everyone knows what I promised. I'd love these little things
36:37
that they're dropped because they did the same thing with in
36:40
the, in the boardroom, they're discussing ryloth.
36:44
I heard that. Yes, which is, what's going on
36:46
in like bad batch. Yeah.
36:49
Rebels. So I was just like oh my God.
36:52
And then in a couple episodes ago I think it was the first or
36:56
second episode Tim with 20 ml comes in and says something
37:00
about what Bonnie, oh that's right.
37:02
Where they pick up Ginger? She's at the prison there.
37:05
It broke one. Yeah, she's at the well, Bonnie
37:08
work camps or whatever it is. So I was just, I love that.
37:11
They're I just love how they're they're not doing the typical
37:16
Jedi and Sith and Darth Vader. Our Easter eggs, you know, it's
37:21
like they're doing just Star Wars references, but acting like
37:25
it's just a normal universe that we all live in because we kind
37:28
of as fans we all do live in this.
37:31
Yeah. And if if you're not offending
37:33
you don't live it it's not taking away from it, right?
37:36
Exactly. It's just part of the
37:37
conversation, it's just part of a planet reference.
37:40
And but for those who know, it's kind of cool I sent you, the
37:43
link of what was in that Museum? Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
37:48
The shit that people, Already found, I mean I didn't come up
37:51
with any of these. I saw them online and thought,
37:53
okay, that's cool. The things that we did get to
37:56
see. We didn't get to see pleau, Cool
37:57
Glow Coons face mask, which is in like a promo or trailer,
38:03
right? One of our patrons sent one of
38:05
our patrons, sent us a picture of that, but we didn't see that
38:08
in this episode. We did see, Mandalorian armor.
38:12
Most likely, I didn't pay attention to any of this.
38:16
Well, this is amazing. All what I found.
38:18
So Amanda, Lorien armor most likely gathered from the Great
38:22
Purge of Mandalore on the night of a thousand tears.
38:25
Hmm, there's a cow liquori. It's not Harrison doulas whoa
38:29
but it's referencing. The sacred family heirlooms from
38:32
ryloth. There's also two separate pieces
38:35
of stone that were obviously collected separately or broken
38:38
of the world Between Worlds. And it's the hands of the
38:41
Father. The sister and the brother.
38:44
Yeah, that belongs in a museum. It's like, holy shit.
38:49
That's amazing. So it's got the hands and then
38:52
starkiller's armor. And in fact, our boys, Sam
38:58
Witwer. Said, see, I told you I was in
39:01
and, or duh, duh. Duh, he's a troll to his own
39:08
kind, you know, there's like what you guys do this?
39:11
I was in and or kind of slightly.
39:13
Oh my God. Yeah, holy shit.
39:16
That is because because starkiller's not canon.
39:20
No. Right.
39:20
But they threw it in there. Yeah.
39:22
Maybe it is now because Wikipedia just posted something
39:27
about Starkiller and was saying that in Legends, the like plan
39:32
was for him to defeat Vader and go after Luke or something like
39:37
that, but then the whole plot line kind of like a cancelled
39:40
before it even reached that point.
39:42
So I was like, that would be fucking crazy.
39:45
It's it's, it's really cool and we haven't seen everything in
39:48
that whole room, obviously, because we know, Low-flow Coons
39:51
is it his or one of his kinds? I mean, how would they have
39:55
gathered it from a shipwreck in the middle of he would have
39:58
blown up anyway. There's also a Wookie helmet
40:01
from Revenge of the Sith. Oh cool.
40:05
The attack on the Wookiees and then in the back room where
40:08
luthan and mon mothma, having their private discussion, there
40:11
is a shot blurry but it's a Jedi and Sith holocron solely shit.
40:17
It could be something really crazy.
40:20
E, in those hologram wall. Is it the one where Obi-Wan's
40:22
message to the other Jedi? It could be.
40:24
It could be the one that mall was wasn't mall.
40:27
Trying to get one in Rebels. Yeah I don't I don't I could be
40:30
I don't know if they have just a shit ton laying around or what
40:35
you know what's crazy is that mall is in this universe he is
40:38
or right now. Yeah, there's a lot of shit
40:41
going on in this universe all at the same time.
40:44
It's fucking crazy. It's incredible.
40:46
This is so cool. So what was this?
40:50
Of that, he was showing her. I didn't.
40:51
I didn't know if that was like a reference to something that I
40:54
should be picking up on or not. It was really cool looking.
40:57
And like you just said like even though I didn't know the
41:00
reference I still it didn't matter.
41:02
Super cool. And I found it interesting but
41:03
like he lifts up this like spiked cudgel that he said was
41:08
from some something or other. I was like oh the sauce looking
41:13
thing. Like a like a knife.
41:15
I don't know what that was. I'm so like why would you buy
41:19
that? As for your husband now that we
41:22
know how they act towards each other.
41:23
Maybe it's the perfect gift. I mean, shit, like this is
41:28
perfect for your husband, wink. Yeah, you can bring it back, if
41:34
you're not satisfied, some people are saying that
41:37
Lutheran's daughter is the leader of this Rebel group and
41:40
that's why he spoke to her. Like, look at me.
41:42
I actually wondered that because they're kind of like they both
41:45
have blond hair and he's like, she's gonna get mad at me.
41:48
I just know it. Yeah, that's Resting, that would
41:51
be very and like, remember Cassie and said, who is he?
41:54
Like, what's his story? And she's like, you should have
41:56
asked him when you were with it. Oh yeah.
41:58
And we don't talk about not talk of.
41:59
Yeah. Yeah.
42:00
That would be very interesting. Everyone's hiding secrets in
42:03
this episode everyone. Yeah.
42:05
And I love it. Fucking love all of it.
42:07
I loved this episode. We're not going to talk about
42:10
every episode, we swear but we also don't swear unless they're
42:15
so good. Yeah.
42:16
And then we have to bust out the klaxon.
42:18
Okay. I don't like the The noise but
42:20
I'll put bust it out when necessary.
42:22
I'm just so excited. I am to and I have to, I have
42:26
zero expectation. I like I don't even care.
42:29
I'm just along for the ride and I'm loving every fucking minute.
42:33
Well we know that we're going to get a couple conflict stains.
42:37
Number one, they're going to do the rebel plan that's going to
42:40
be a whole thing and it's going to be going on at the same time
42:43
that mon mothma is dealing with people at a table that she
42:45
doesn't like. So two types of battles going
42:47
on. Yes, a formal.
42:50
Probably with words and wit, and a less formal nitty-gritty on
42:54
the ground boots on the ground. Type Flee for our lives with
42:57
explosions and Cassie and dressed up like an imperial
43:01
soldiers. I like it.
43:03
Hey, give me lots of close-ups on Diego Luna's, brooding face
43:09
and I was just happy his hair. Seems so soft, doesn't it?
43:14
I know everything about him is nice.
43:16
I'm really focused on here all the time.
43:19
But his hair seems really nice. All right, so this week, our
43:28
question for our listeners. Did you notice any other Easter
43:33
eggs in episode 4 or honestly episode 1 2 and 3 as well?
43:38
That we have missed. We would love to see what you
43:41
guys have noticed. Yeah, and do, you know what that
43:43
jagged edge sword was? We would love to know that that
43:47
club. Yeah.
43:48
That romantic birthday. They gift of a club.
43:51
I love it. All right.
43:52
Next week we're going back to what we said.
43:54
We were going to talk about this week.
43:56
Sorry not sorry. We're gonna talk about Cassie
43:59
and yeah, better. We are going to talk about the
44:04
similarities and differences between the Satine and Obi-Wan
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relationship compared to Padme and Anakin's relationship and I
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think it will be interesting. So come on back and join us for
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that one. Okay.
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So last week we discussed and or episode 1 2 and 3 and we asked
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our listeners what their favorite moment was and sisters
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Sabers Star Destroyers say that 10 times damn nice night.
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Hey, sent us a comment. They said my favorite scene by
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far was the very end of episode 3, which I know you Leanne said
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was really moving for you as well.
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Removing for me, they said everything about it just made me
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cry, which is crazy because I don't cry in.
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Lot of Star Wars, I cried from both its beauty and its emotion.
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The parallel of the two parts of Cassie, ins life shows how far
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he has come. And yet how little agency he has
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had in his life. Everything has happened to him
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without his choice for the most part.
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Well, it makes his choice at the end of Rogue one.
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Great. What he was saying to luthan
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about the freedom, you know, being able to eat sleep live
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your life because his whole life has been chosen for him.
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Yeah. And then, like you said with
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Rogue one that was his choice. Choice.
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Nobody told him he had to do that.
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That was him deciding for himself.
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Well beautiful comment. Yeah I was like I couldn't have
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said it better myself. That was beautifully stated.
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