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Exploring Ezekiel 38 | Gary and Mondo · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast today everyone, Model Gonzalez here with
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Speaker 1: Gary Steerman, and we are going to be talking about
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Speaker 1: some fun stuff, kind of a continuation Gary of where
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Speaker 1: we were a couple weeks ago in looking at Ezekiel
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Speaker 1: thirty six and thirty seven the Dry Bones Vision. But
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Speaker 2: I will try. As you know, Mondo, I'm kind of
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Speaker 1: If possibly, have no guarantees, but it's drivable, so which
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Speaker 3: Not too bad.
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Speaker 1: But it's a very beautiful place, I mean, and I
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Speaker 1: imagine people would love to either come early or stay
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Speaker 1: late to join. And I think this will be an
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Speaker 1: interesting conference because there'll be a lot of There will
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Speaker 1: be a lot to discuss. Again post election, hopefully things
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Speaker 1: will be decided by you know, a month later, and
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Speaker 1: there won't be uh. I think back to the the
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Speaker 1: the year of the Hanging Chad, you.
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Speaker 3: Know, back.
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Speaker 2: Never forget.
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Speaker 1: Yeah that wasn't things were not They were not decided
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Speaker 1: for a while until the courts got involved. But anyways, nevertheless,
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Speaker 1: please join us there. It'll be a great time. And
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Speaker 1: again the Lord, the Lord's revealing a lot of things.
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Speaker 1: And on that note, Gary, we again as we mentioned
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Speaker 1: we a couple of weeks ago we started getting into
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Speaker 1: the mystery of Israel and excombination and and you know,
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Speaker 1: e's Eco thirty eight there. We're gonna get into the
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Speaker 1: nitty gritty on this and some of the some of
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Speaker 1: the names and and just the set up. But let's
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Speaker 1: before we do that. What give me your sense you've
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Speaker 1: been watching this for a long time? The nation Israel,
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Speaker 1: the latest developments again Hama psaw maybe three. So what
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Speaker 1: what's your sense of what's happening right now at this
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Speaker 1: very moment in Israel.
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Speaker 2: Well, I would say instability is the key word. When
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Speaker 2: I read the Bible and read uh latter day events,
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Speaker 2: what I see is that the world grows increasingly unstable
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Speaker 2: as the day approaches, and the day is the day
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Speaker 2: of the Lord. And we Christians, I think faithful Christians
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Speaker 2: have somewhere in their thinking or in their heart, they
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Speaker 2: have the idea that, based on prophecy they've studied with
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Speaker 2: us here at Prophecy Watchers, the latter days will be
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Speaker 2: characterized by decreasing stability. And we certainly see that in
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Speaker 2: Europe now, going all the way back to the thirties
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Speaker 2: and then World War two, we went through one period
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Speaker 2: of great instability which ushered the Jews into the land
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Speaker 2: in the forties and then nineteen forty eight, and you
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Speaker 2: talk about unstability or instability, Hitler's Third Reich characterized that
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Speaker 2: to a t, and it was based on hatred of
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Speaker 2: the Jews. Fast forward to where we are right now,
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Speaker 2: hatred of the Jews and another group of powers coming
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Speaker 2: after the Jews. And it seems to me we're almost
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Speaker 2: repeating what happened in the thirties and forties because and
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Speaker 2: you read prophecy Mando and you see that God uses
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Speaker 2: these the hatred of Israel's opponents to move Israel to
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Speaker 2: the next step in prophetic fulfillment. So that's the way
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Speaker 2: I look at what's going on right now. We're moving
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Speaker 2: to that next step, and we have to temper our
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Speaker 2: thinking because we want to rush ahead and let's get
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Speaker 2: this thing done. But no, God has his own speed,
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Speaker 2: his own way of doing things. Well, the rapture's got
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Speaker 2: to be soon, right, Well, it could be, but again,
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Speaker 2: we can't rush. And that's where we are right now.
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Speaker 2: We look at Turkey, which we'll be talking about a
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Speaker 2: little bit later. North of Israel, we look at Iran
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Speaker 2: northeast of Israel, and we see people talking and planning
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Speaker 2: and plotting and counting their weapons and figuring out where
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Speaker 2: they fit in relative to the great great Western power
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Speaker 2: of the United States, which by the way, is becoming destabilized.
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Speaker 2: So you put all this together, and I have my
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Speaker 2: Bible open to Ezekiel thirty eight, and I'm seeing that
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Speaker 2: instability and it's topped off by Gog. And I think
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Speaker 2: almost everybody, and I'll ask you your opinion, almost everybody says, well,
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Speaker 2: this is latter day Russia. What do you think.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's no doubt that it's hard to
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Speaker 1: it's hard to avoid the idea that Russia is involved
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Speaker 1: here the land of Magog, and we'll get into some.
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Speaker 3: Of the names.
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Speaker 1: And I think that as it relates to instability there,
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Speaker 1: we know that God's goal is to save Israel, and
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Speaker 1: that's what He's going to do.
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Speaker 3: But we also know that the Israel that.
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Speaker 1: We see today in the land, it's like reading the
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Speaker 1: Book of Kings, because you have Israel doing their own thing,
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Speaker 1: or even the Book of Judges as an example that
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Speaker 1: they as a nation. Remember, people got to remember this,
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Speaker 1: that that God often deals with Israel based on their leadership.
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Speaker 1: So in the Old Testament, when you had a bad king,
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Speaker 1: obviously the bad king would have bad rules and then
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Speaker 1: God would bring judgment. If you had a good king,
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Speaker 1: good king would maybe promote righteousness, the tearing down of
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Speaker 1: altars of idols, et cetera. And today, the most of
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Speaker 1: the leadership from our perspective, from my perspective, in Israel
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Speaker 1: is secular and also there and what I mean is this,
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Speaker 1: even though Israel, the Israeli government is the most religious
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Speaker 1: in the history of Israel seventy five years, it doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean that they're worshiping Jesus or they're acknowledging Jesus. And
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Speaker 1: so it's crystal clear that if all of them are religious,
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Speaker 1: all of them again were one hundred percent Orthodox, that
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that God accepts them because you cannot.
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Speaker 3: You cannot.
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Speaker 1: Jesus says there's only one way to the Father, and
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Speaker 1: that's through him. So until they acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah,
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Speaker 1: they do not have access to the Father. Even though
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Speaker 1: they pray, even though they worship or whatever, even the
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Speaker 1: God is not accepted the worship because it's not done
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Speaker 1: through his son. That's crystal clear, there is no work around.
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Speaker 1: And so that being the case, I see the long
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Speaker 1: term goal of God is going to get them to
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Speaker 1: receive that Jesus has their messiah. And so all of
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Speaker 1: these things that are in motion today. And we see
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Speaker 1: this in an Old Testament. How many times did we
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Speaker 1: see for example, when Israel was struggling with their enemies,
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Speaker 1: they reached out to Egypt and.
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Speaker 3: God's like, why are you looking to Egypt? Look to me,
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Speaker 3: and they and like A has right.
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Speaker 1: You know in Isaiah chapter seven, Uh, he wanted to
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Speaker 1: go and and the the Cirio Ephemite war he wants
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Speaker 1: he knows tig Left Beliezer from Assyria's coming down, but
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Speaker 1: he's looking to Egypt and God's like, no, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you do that. So what we're
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Speaker 1: going to see and what we're seeing now is in
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Speaker 1: Israel's enemies. It's no different than again reading the Book
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Speaker 1: of Kings or Second Kings or all of it. Israel's
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Speaker 1: enemies are coming in. They're looking to anybody and everybody
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Speaker 1: to help for help. They're looking to make alliances in
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Speaker 1: the United States maybe or even Saudi Arabia. They're looking
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Speaker 1: at all the wrong ways. They're not looking to the
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Speaker 1: God of Israel through Jesus.
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Speaker 2: However, I would balance that with another statement, and that is,
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Speaker 2: no other people in the history of mankind has a
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Speaker 2: destiny so well marked out as the truth twelve tribes.
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Speaker 2: Just go to the Book of Revelation, and the twelve
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Speaker 2: Tribes have a special destiny, even though they make a
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Speaker 2: myriad of mistakes down through history and even to the
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Speaker 2: present moment. As you point out, I always look at
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Speaker 2: the Twelve Tribes. I'm cheering them on, you know, tacity,
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Speaker 2: Go Israel, Go Israel. And with that is the desire
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Speaker 2: and even the prayer, and I pray for the peace
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Speaker 2: of Jerusalem, as the Bible says, I have the desire
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Speaker 2: to see them come to Christ, to see them open
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Speaker 2: their eyes, and to be saved in a very very
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Speaker 2: open sense of the meaning of that word saved. Wow,
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Speaker 2: do they ever need to be saved? Not just from unbelief,
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Speaker 2: but from the myriad of enemies. I think everybody in
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Speaker 2: the world is against Israel.
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Speaker 1: Has a tremendous future, and but what we see is
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Speaker 1: well in the meantime until that future happens. God, God
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Speaker 1: did this a lot in the Old Testament where he
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Speaker 1: allowed them to be isolated.
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Speaker 3: He allowed them to be ground down.
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Speaker 1: Until they would humble themselves and to seek him. And
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Speaker 1: so I think about Romans eleven where Paul is very
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Speaker 1: sad about Israel's rejection of their Messiah, and then he says,
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Speaker 1: but look, hey, if they're stumble, they didn't. They didn't
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Speaker 1: fall away. They're not gone, but they tripped in their
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Speaker 1: ripping over their not reception of Jesus' Messiah. It brought
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Speaker 1: glory to the world. How much more when they get restored,
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Speaker 1: will the riches of the world come through Israel? And
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Speaker 1: so we know their future is bright. But in the meantime,
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Speaker 1: we're living in the age of isolation, increased isolation for Israel.
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Speaker 1: We're living in this age where they haven't repented yet
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Speaker 1: and followed the Lord Jesus. And so we get to
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Speaker 1: watch it's like being thrust back again into this timeframe
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Speaker 1: with the Book of Kings and going.
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Speaker 3: Why are the leaders making these decisions?
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Speaker 1: And then the enemies are coming in quicker, and God's like, well,
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Speaker 1: you know, and so here we are watching this gary
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Speaker 1: and we as we come we see them increasingly being again.
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Speaker 1: We saw them attack by Hamas. We see his law
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Speaker 1: on the thread of the North. We see Syria making
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Speaker 1: agreements that Syria is always ready. They've opened up their borders,
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Speaker 1: their bases, their land to receive all those weapons from Iran.
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Speaker 1: And so you have there's one hundred percent surrounded. But
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Speaker 1: even Jordan has done a good job late excuse me lately,
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Speaker 1: but will they stay strong as Israel's kind of semi partner,
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Speaker 1: don't know? Even Egypt come to find out that even
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Speaker 1: though Israel has a peace agreement with Egypt, Egypt was
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Speaker 1: allowing weapons to flow in through the southern border, the
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Speaker 1: Rafa crossing and the tunnels, arming Hamas, and that was
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons why they didn't want the tunnels
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Speaker 1: to be found, because they would see that the Egypt
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Speaker 1: was complicit in this. So here we are. But so
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Speaker 1: let's jump in Gary if you don't mind here Ezekiel
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Speaker 1: thirty eight. You know, let me just preface it by saying,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of disagreement out there about Saul Maty three,
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Speaker 1: whether that's the Inner Ring and that's going to be
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Speaker 1: a war and that's future or not. So I don't
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Speaker 1: want to get into that today. But what is relatively uncontested.
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Speaker 1: Is Ezekiel thirty eight is clearly a future war? Clearly,
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Speaker 1: clearly everybody everybody agrees on that. They might not agree
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Speaker 1: on sol Maty three, but they do agree on a
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Speaker 1: Zeco thirty eight at being future.
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Speaker 3: And then I remember this.
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Speaker 1: Let me just say this, Gary, that when I first
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Speaker 1: became a Christian, I started reading the Bible, and I
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Speaker 1: had a prophecy Bible, and it was neat and it
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Speaker 1: said prophecies to look forward to, and then it said
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Speaker 1: e's Eco thirty eight, Russia is gonna invade Israel.
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Speaker 3: And so I'm like what.
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Speaker 1: So I go to the go to Ezeco thirty eight,
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Speaker 1: and I open it up and I read the whole
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Speaker 1: chapter and I'm like, I don't see the word Russia
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Speaker 1: in here.
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Speaker 3: What are they talking about?
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Speaker 1: So I guess that comes, Gary, How, how in the
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Speaker 1: world is Russia The Bible doesn't say Russia.
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Speaker 2: Why, well reading it and let me read the thirty
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Speaker 2: eight two and three Son of Man, set thy face
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Speaker 2: against Gog. And I'm reading the King James here, and
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Speaker 2: it said the land of Magog Gog, and then with
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Speaker 2: the the Hebrew prefix Ma, which means from Gog, the
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Speaker 2: land of Magog, chief Prince of Mishek, And everybody says, well,
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Speaker 2: that sure sounds like Moscow and Tubaal, which certainly sounds
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Speaker 2: like Tubalsk, which are two modern Russian towns. They say, okay,
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Speaker 2: it's gotta be Russia. Verse three says and say, thus,
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Speaker 2: saith the Lord God behold, I'm against the Ogog, chief
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Speaker 2: Prince of Mishek and Tubaal. So there it seems to
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Speaker 2: be laid out. And we discovered that they are coming
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Speaker 2: from the north as we read on. So doesn't that
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Speaker 2: speak to you?
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Speaker 3: Well? What it does?
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Speaker 2: Is it?
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Speaker 1: I think one of the things that I learned was
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Speaker 1: that we have our modern names of things, and names
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Speaker 1: changed throughout the years. I mean, and Ezekiel is not
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Speaker 1: going to use modern names that we understand for geographical regions.
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Speaker 1: And as I came to understand, oh, he he's speaking
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Speaker 1: to regions, he's speaking to geographical areas. He's speaking to
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Speaker 1: them in six hundred roughly six hundred BC, and he's
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Speaker 1: using the names of them, the names of those reasons
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Speaker 1: back then. And so our job as historians is to
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Speaker 1: go through and say, okay, let's not look like for example,
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Speaker 1: one of the examples that you hear is uh, Saint Petersburg,
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Speaker 1: Russia versus Leningrad. Well if you say, oh, in Leningrad,
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Speaker 1: well that's it used to be Saint Petersburg, then I
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Speaker 1: went to Lenograd.
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Speaker 3: Then it goes back to Saint Petersburg.
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Speaker 1: And so you're like, okay, if you were to talk
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Speaker 1: about Leningrad to give a prophecy, you'd be like, well,
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Speaker 1: where's Leningrad. There's no Leningrad, but we know that it
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Speaker 1: was changed. The name was changed to you know, again
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Speaker 1: from Saint Petersburg back and forth, or even Constantinople. Where's
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Speaker 1: that at, Well, that's his Stanbul, And so if you
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Speaker 1: spoke about something of conceptin Ople, you would know, now,
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Speaker 1: oh the writer was speaking about is stan Bull. So
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Speaker 1: we have to do our homework. And so you have
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Speaker 1: a lot of these strange names that come right out.
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Speaker 1: And the question is historically looking at him, so's the
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Speaker 1: land of So Well, let's talk about Gog for a minute,
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Speaker 1: because Gog clearly is the leader here. Gog appears several
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Speaker 1: times in the Bible. It appears again in Revelation twenty,
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Speaker 1: which causes a lot of trouble, yes, because is when
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Speaker 1: it talks about the timing of this battle. Is it
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Speaker 1: at the end, which there's no way that it could be,
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Speaker 1: but it tells us that Gog is something other than
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Speaker 1: just a man at a specific time that it seems
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Speaker 1: to be, especially if you read the Subtuagen version. Gog
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Speaker 1: is the power behind the man, and God is speaking
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Speaker 1: to Gog who is causing this trouble like kind of
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Speaker 1: like Ezekiel twenty eight where he's speaking to the King
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Speaker 1: of Tire and he's speaking to the Cherubim and then
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Speaker 1: Isaiah fourteen. So anyways, Gog is a I think God
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Speaker 1: ultimately is the spiritual force behind a real person. Gog
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Speaker 1: has the name and is a descendant of Reuben and
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Speaker 1: first Color Chronicles five. But Gog's this leader. There's a leader.
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Speaker 1: Let's just stop there. Whatever this is that there's a
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Speaker 1: main leader. So is it Zernoski?
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Speaker 2: Well, and he's a bad god. It's a bad guy,
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Speaker 2: not a good guy. Nope. And so starting with that, uh,
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Speaker 2: it's very hard to connect Gog with an actual living
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Speaker 2: human being. We would say, well, it's whoever is the
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Speaker 2: the head of the Russian.
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Speaker 3: Guyover ends up being that guy is gonna be Gog.
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be gog. And that's what I've always thought.
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Speaker 2: And I really strive not to set dates or to
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Speaker 2: see something that's happening right now as a being in
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Speaker 2: the Bible name, because you can get in trouble. You know,
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Speaker 2: he's I've figured it out, and I know what's going
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Speaker 2: to happen, and then lo and behold, two or three
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Speaker 2: years later, Oops.
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Speaker 3: That guy's dead. Next next candidate.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't. So we've got to avoid that. But what
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Speaker 2: we do have here is a latter day setting that
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Speaker 2: I think we can we can agree on. In other words, now,
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Speaker 2: how do we define a latter day? Would that be
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Speaker 2: the time in which we live right now? And I'll
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Speaker 2: just throw that back to you.
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Speaker 1: Well, the we what we do know is several times
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Speaker 1: in this passage, which we'll get to, it describes that
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Speaker 1: this this battle that will happen in the latter days,
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Speaker 1: in the latter years. It's specifically that they will it
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Speaker 1: will go up again to to the land of Israel,
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Speaker 1: the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate.
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Speaker 3: And we know that really from about one hundred a d.
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Speaker 1: One hundred and thirty five AD, after the Barkhakova revolt,
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Speaker 1: all the way until the early twentieth century, the early
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Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds, the land absolutely was desolate. I mean we
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Speaker 1: were talking, you know, Mark Twain, I think his book
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Speaker 1: Citizens Abroad or something like that, Innocence Abroad. Yeah, he
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Speaker 1: was out there and he's like, who would want to
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Speaker 1: live here? This place is absolutely disgusting.
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Speaker 2: He described it as only Mark Twain can do. And
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Speaker 2: I've read Innocence Abroad and he spared no language to
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Speaker 2: describe how absolutely desolate this place was. And between the
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Speaker 2: words of his writing you can get a question. The
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Speaker 2: question he's asking is has God really abandoned these people
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Speaker 2: who have been called God's chosen people? That was the
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Speaker 2: big question in his mine, and a lot of people
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Speaker 2: have asked that. And then suddenly, after World War Two,
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Speaker 2: in nineteen forty eight and beyond where we are right now,
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Speaker 2: the question God answered, No, God has not abandoned his people.
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Speaker 2: And it took an evil act to bring the power
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Speaker 2: of God into focus and to create a modern state
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Speaker 2: of Israel. And so I think, based on what we're
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Speaker 2: seeing there, we're saying we don't see Israel being dispersed
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Speaker 2: from this point on. We see a continuum of events
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Speaker 2: that lead us all the way to the Book of Revelation.
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Speaker 2: And in other words, I don't believe that Israel's going to
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Speaker 2: be scattered again.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not persuaded either that they would be completely
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Speaker 1: scattered out of the land for any lengthy period of
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Speaker 1: time during the tribulation. Would they be fleeing in different things? Maybe, well,
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Speaker 1: for sure they will be. But the key thing here.
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Speaker 3: Is that we now have a factor.
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Speaker 1: This prophecy was given six hundred BC about a future
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Speaker 1: battle that would happen after a lengthy period of desolation
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Speaker 1: for the land of Israel.
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Speaker 2: Well, let me read what Ezekiel says, verse eight of
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Speaker 2: chapter thirty eight. After many years, thou shall be visited
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Speaker 2: in the latter years, thou shall come of the land
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Speaker 2: that's brought back from the sword, and doesn't that ring
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Speaker 2: of today and is gathered out of many people against
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Speaker 2: the mountains of Israel, which have always been waste. But
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Speaker 2: it's brought forth out of the nations, and they shall
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Speaker 2: dwell safely, all of them. That word safely, We could
21:44
Speaker 2: talk about it.
21:44
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to talk about that word.
21:46
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So again we're just putting together a little
21:51
Speaker 2: kind of a vignette here and trying to clarify the picture.
21:58
Speaker 2: What should we believe about modern ism about God? Is
22:02
Speaker 2: God alive right now? Do we see them on the
22:04
Speaker 2: evening news? And these are the questions I think the
22:08
Speaker 2: plague all Bible believing Christians.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think looking historically, that this battle was predicted
22:17
Speaker 1: and based on the description here, that it would happen
22:21
Speaker 1: probably certainly post nineteen forty eight, but most likely post
22:25
Speaker 1: sixty seven. Because even though you had in the early
22:29
Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds you had Jewish immigration very strong, going back
22:36
Speaker 1: into the land of Israel, you had them working the land,
22:40
Speaker 1: changing the land that was desolate into non desolate lots
22:43
Speaker 1: of KiB it seem.
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Speaker 2: Oh, they sell their produce all over your earthe of
22:47
Speaker 2: the world.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's amazing. You go there now, it's
22:50
Speaker 1: not desolate. I mean even to the south. They're turning
22:53
Speaker 1: the desert with their drips, irrigration systems and stuff into
22:56
Speaker 1: amazing things. So, but let's talk about the word safely here.
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Speaker 1: This is the word, but talk in Hebrew. But you
23:04
Speaker 1: got to get there in there. But one of my
23:07
Speaker 1: favorite authors is doctor Arnold Fruchtenbaum. You know, Messianic Jewish believer. Oh,
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Speaker 1: he talks about the meaning of Batakh, and in some
23:15
Speaker 1: versions sadly will say they will be dwelling there in peace. Well,
23:21
Speaker 1: Israel hasn't been in peace since nineteen forty eight.
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Speaker 3: True and so.
23:24
Speaker 1: But the word but tak has the idea of confidently,
23:28
Speaker 1: and we know that today if you were if you
23:31
Speaker 1: look at Israel, you know Psalm twenty says that some
23:35
Speaker 1: trust in chariots, but I'll trust in the in the
23:37
Speaker 1: name of the Lord. Well, Israel doesn't trust in the
23:40
Speaker 1: name of the Lord. They trust in their chariots. They're
23:43
Speaker 1: merkava right, the tanks, which is what the word chariots mean.
23:47
Speaker 1: It's very fascinating. They are dwelling very confidently. Israel says
23:51
Speaker 1: even now today, we don't need anybody. If we're gonna
23:55
Speaker 1: do it, we'll do it ourselves. We don't need any
23:57
Speaker 1: other nations to protect us. If we need to go
23:59
Speaker 1: after you, I ran will do it alone. They're trusting
24:03
Speaker 1: confidently in their own military strength.
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Speaker 2: And that that's the history. I mean. If you pick
24:09
Speaker 2: up the Bible and start looking at the Old Testament
24:12
Speaker 2: and track the twelve tribes from Genesis Exos Leviticus, numbers
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Speaker 2: of Deuteronomy and on, and that is characteristic of the
24:23
Speaker 2: Twelve tribes. Ye very confident and always saved at the
24:30
Speaker 2: last minute. It's a recurring story. And I see that
24:36
Speaker 2: today because and this kind of brings us to where
24:40
Speaker 2: I think we wanted to focus on today. We see
24:45
Speaker 2: Israel as having very confidently defended itself. And in spite
24:52
Speaker 2: of the fact that the UAE and Turkey and Iraq
24:58
Speaker 2: and Iran and so you have the gathering enemy boasting
25:04
Speaker 2: about the power of his weapons and saying we're gonna
25:08
Speaker 2: wipe we this time. For sure, We're going to wipe
25:11
Speaker 2: out the the tribes. Israel will be no more there
25:16
Speaker 2: will there won't even be a land of Israel when
25:19
Speaker 2: we get through. And they're saying it openly. So you
25:24
Speaker 2: would think that the the Israelis would uh react by saying,
25:32
Speaker 2: we have to bow down before the Lord and we
25:35
Speaker 2: have we have to prostrate ourselves before him and ask
25:41
Speaker 2: him to intercede for us. It's not really what's happening.
25:45
Speaker 2: This is becoming a military battle of the first of
25:49
Speaker 2: the first mark and and and atomic weapons. And there
25:54
Speaker 2: are rumors glore about which atomic weapons the Israelis have
25:59
Speaker 2: and which it's comic weapons the Iranians have, and everybody
26:04
Speaker 2: is looking for a very very dark period of war
26:10
Speaker 2: in which perhaps hundreds of thousands of people die, and
26:15
Speaker 2: we don't want to see that. But what does the
26:17
Speaker 2: Bible say as you read on through Ezekiel thirty eight,
26:23
Speaker 2: Israel is not wiped out. In fact, they're victorious. And
26:27
Speaker 2: we don't have time to read the whole thing and
26:29
Speaker 2: go to the end. But I'm just saying, Israel is
26:34
Speaker 2: going to miraculously survive this current aggression.
26:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would say that God is victorious in
26:43
Speaker 1: this like typical. I think back to Hezekiah when Sinakrab
26:48
Speaker 1: came and really destroyed or conquered all.
26:53
Speaker 3: Of the cities of Judah, many of them.
26:56
Speaker 1: It's in historical secular record, yes, And so imagine, you know,
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Speaker 1: being Hezekiah living there and you see your entire country
27:06
Speaker 1: get annihilated by the enemy and get overwhelmed, and then
27:08
Speaker 1: here you are now, and Hezekiah just goes before the
27:12
Speaker 1: Lord and or jehosephat I mean the same thing.
27:15
Speaker 3: He puts the letter to all these threats.
27:17
Speaker 1: He puts it before the Lord and says, here we
27:19
Speaker 1: are but again what you just said right now, all
27:22
Speaker 1: of the surrounding places of Israel. Again you have these
27:25
Speaker 1: these these terrorist attacks. It is not, it is not.
27:29
Speaker 1: They have not.
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Speaker 3: Seeking the Lord on thee.
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Speaker 2: They are not.
27:33
Speaker 3: They're seeking their own military strength.
27:34
Speaker 2: Well, let me run something else past you here again
27:38
Speaker 2: looking at Ezekiel thirty eight, and here in verse five
27:42
Speaker 2: it names some enemies Persia, Ethiopia, Libya with them, and
27:49
Speaker 2: them would be a Gog and his forces, and Persia,
27:55
Speaker 2: Ethiopia and Libya with them, Gomer and all his bands.
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Speaker 2: It's the house of Tilgarma of the North quarters and
28:02
Speaker 2: all his bands and many people with thee. So you
28:06
Speaker 2: go from Libya, which is North Africa, to the House
28:09
Speaker 2: of Tolgarma, which I understand to be modern Turkey, extending
28:15
Speaker 2: all the way over to the Caspian Sea, which pretty
28:19
Speaker 2: much covers Israel's northern flank and also is boasting right
28:24
Speaker 2: now about having nuclear weapons and recipt tie up. Areon
28:30
Speaker 2: is a no friend of Israel. Aerowan is plotting and
28:35
Speaker 2: planning with the Iranians and others in good time to
28:40
Speaker 2: invade from the north, which pretty much describes Ezekiel thirty eight.
28:46
Speaker 2: It's talking about the far North. It's talking about Turkey
28:50
Speaker 2: the House of Tolgarma, and I really do believe that
28:53
Speaker 2: that's what it is. And then Iraq and Iran and
28:58
Speaker 2: other enemies of Israel, and you have a full blown
29:05
Speaker 2: world war. Is that gonna happen soon?
29:09
Speaker 1: Well, if you would have said is that gonna happen?
29:13
Speaker 1: I would say yes, soon soon. I think yes, because
29:18
Speaker 1: Jesus said he was coming soon. So there's a little
29:19
Speaker 1: bit of ambiguity there that we could say it. But
29:22
Speaker 1: I think if we'd look at these players, there's no doubt.
29:25
Speaker 1: Magog Is refers to the ancient Scythian or Scithian, depending
29:30
Speaker 1: on how you want to pronounce it, for some empire,
29:33
Speaker 1: which is the southern steps of Russia. I mean going
29:36
Speaker 1: all the way from Ukraine, eastern Ukraine, all the way
29:40
Speaker 1: over towards all the Steans, and so this, the southern
29:43
Speaker 1: steps of Russia is clearly the land of magog And
29:46
Speaker 1: so you have this, this leader.
29:48
Speaker 3: This is why most people think about Russia and its leadership.
29:52
Speaker 1: I mean, back in the nineties there was a book
29:56
Speaker 1: called Zarinovski Vladimir is Another Vladimir, Vladimir is Nasky the
30:01
Speaker 1: man who would be Gog. So this was prior to
30:04
Speaker 1: Putin coming along the scene. But as you said, that
30:06
Speaker 1: guy came and went, and now we have Putin.
30:08
Speaker 3: Is Putin Gog? We don't really know.
30:10
Speaker 1: But what we do know is that most likely the
30:13
Speaker 1: person that's going to lead the charge is this guy
30:16
Speaker 1: Gog from the land of Magog, which is the land
30:18
Speaker 1: of again Russia or southern Russia. And so you have
30:22
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Mishek and Tubal and Gomer, the these
30:26
Speaker 1: other localities which are clearly in reference to Turkey, northern Turkey,
30:35
Speaker 1: going down eastern Turkey into Armenia over towards the Caspian Sea,
30:41
Speaker 1: the Caucus region, and so you have a variety of
30:45
Speaker 1: names here that are referring to all these relatively minor
30:48
Speaker 1: tribal groups, but all seem to be focused around again
30:54
Speaker 1: from I would say, from even Germany. Some people, especially
30:58
Speaker 1: in the Jewish writings in the Almud, Gohmer is a
31:01
Speaker 1: reference to Germany. So if you go Germany down through
31:05
Speaker 1: Ukraine down into the modern day Turkey, all the way
31:09
Speaker 1: over Armenia certainly to Persia which we know as Iran,
31:14
Speaker 1: Kush Cush is interesting too because Kush has two different
31:20
Speaker 1: etymologies to it. One of them is to the land
31:23
Speaker 1: in Ethiopia in the middle of Africa, which I don't know.
31:27
Speaker 3: I'm a little skeptical about that.
31:28
Speaker 1: But the other Kush, there's another Cush that is in
31:32
Speaker 1: the land of near Iran today, So could it be
31:38
Speaker 1: I would tend to lean that it's probably more towards
31:40
Speaker 1: the Iranian connection the Persia because it's listed right next
31:43
Speaker 1: to Persia Persia, and then Kush, yeah, which could be there,
31:49
Speaker 1: and then put is almost certainly northern Africa, Libya, Algeria.
31:56
Speaker 1: So you have this coalition of Russia, at least Turkey, Persia, Iran,
32:04
Speaker 1: the trifecta for sure. And then you have these other
32:06
Speaker 1: ancillary groups that are part of it, which could include
32:10
Speaker 1: all the way into into Germany. Surprisingly, but you have
32:15
Speaker 1: this these the bet Tagarma as well into into Turkey.
32:20
Speaker 1: All of them come down to a coalition that is
32:23
Speaker 1: seeking to go and to attack Israel. And we see
32:27
Speaker 1: in verse ten of eas Ego thirty eight about why
32:33
Speaker 1: why are they coming down to the land of Israel.
32:37
Speaker 1: And God says that he will put hooks in the
32:39
Speaker 1: jaws of God. He will turn them around and bring
32:42
Speaker 1: him down because he's gonna have these thoughts.
32:43
Speaker 3: There's plan.
32:45
Speaker 2: It's against their will in a way. In other words,
32:48
Speaker 2: just looking at Vladimir Putin today, he's a very safety
32:55
Speaker 2: he's a wealthy man. He's kind of a king, a
32:58
Speaker 2: modern king, and he's just as comfy as he can
33:02
Speaker 2: possibly be. Why should he, you know, expose himself to
33:05
Speaker 2: all this this storm and this misery when he can
33:09
Speaker 2: just sit and enjoy his wealth. But bit by bit,
33:14
Speaker 2: I think that the Ukrainian battle has kind of loosened
33:18
Speaker 2: that up a little.
33:19
Speaker 3: Bit, attributing to this whole attributing to.
33:21
Speaker 2: The scenario that's that's going to move him south. And
33:25
Speaker 2: then we have the Turks and Dawan is very much
33:29
Speaker 2: war minded. And then you go farther south and down
33:33
Speaker 2: to Kush and put and you go down to the
33:35
Speaker 2: UAE today, do they want to fight? They've got all
33:39
Speaker 2: the money in the world, all the oil in the world,
33:41
Speaker 2: and they're just as happy as larks. Why should we
33:44
Speaker 2: get into a war and destroy our comfy lives. We're
33:48
Speaker 2: building all these skyscrapers, it's we're having a wonderful world.
33:53
Speaker 2: But God says, you know, I'm going to bring these
33:55
Speaker 2: people and we It's almost as though he says, against
33:59
Speaker 2: their will, and they're going to attack Israel. In some ways,
34:04
Speaker 2: it's not against their will, though there are a lot
34:06
Speaker 2: of people who'd like to wipe out Israel completely. But
34:10
Speaker 2: here's something that I wanted to run past you. Verse
34:13
Speaker 2: eleven says gog Is going to say, I will go
34:18
Speaker 2: up from to the land of un walled villages. I
34:23
Speaker 2: will go to them that are at rest, that dwells safely,
34:26
Speaker 2: all of them dwelling without walls, having neither bars nor gates.
34:32
Speaker 2: That perfectly describes northern Israel today. Unwalled villages, farmers happily farming,
34:39
Speaker 2: you know, raising fruit and vegetables and all kinds of things,
34:43
Speaker 2: just having a great time until October seventh, and suddenly
34:49
Speaker 2: they've had to abandon Northern Israel. In large part the
34:54
Speaker 2: farmers can't farm anymore. And what do you have up
34:58
Speaker 2: in northern Israel. You have unwalled village. So again we
35:02
Speaker 2: find something in the Bible opens up an idea.
35:06
Speaker 1: I think this is amazing too, because when this this
35:11
Speaker 1: can be confusing in the modern situation, because we do
35:15
Speaker 1: have a barrier wall between Jerusalem and many parts.
35:20
Speaker 3: Of what is known as the West Bank.
35:23
Speaker 1: And it's a security wall, but it's not a full
35:28
Speaker 1: it's not a full wall for sure. When you go
35:32
Speaker 1: down to Bethlehem, you can see this wall there in
35:34
Speaker 1: the main areas for terrorist reasons. But I don't I
35:37
Speaker 1: don't think the fact that there's that wall there, it's
35:42
Speaker 1: it's a very it's it's not walling a village, it's
35:45
Speaker 1: just a barrier wall. And here it's specifically talking about
35:49
Speaker 1: unwalled villages. Well, if you go back to eas Eegiel's day,
35:54
Speaker 1: it was common in ancient times, in ancient warfare that
35:56
Speaker 1: certainly people lived out in the countryside, but the big
36:00
Speaker 1: cities I think about Lakish and Azaeka and Jerusalem and
36:08
Speaker 1: hot Sore in the north, Tell gezer Gath, all these
36:13
Speaker 1: places were walled.
36:16
Speaker 3: They were walled. They had a circular wall there. That's
36:18
Speaker 3: a tell.
36:19
Speaker 1: And so Ezeko speaking in a time when when you
36:22
Speaker 1: looked around at all the major villages, they were all
36:23
Speaker 1: walled up because that's how you protected yourself. But today,
36:28
Speaker 1: as we know, you can drive around Israel and besides
36:31
Speaker 1: that little bit of a border wall, all one hundred
36:34
Speaker 1: percent of the villages are unwalled. And so what he's
36:38
Speaker 1: saying here would be I think about what in Ezekiel's
36:43
Speaker 1: time for him to say this, people will be like,
36:46
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? How could you have a
36:49
Speaker 1: whole bunch of unwalled villages. That's impossible for security reasons.
36:54
Speaker 1: But yet that's exactly what we see today is these
36:58
Speaker 1: unwalled villages.
36:59
Speaker 2: Let me run one more thing passed you, and I'd
37:01
Speaker 2: like your opinion on this. You come down to verse thirteen,
37:05
Speaker 2: and we have some entities named here Sheiba Ddan and
37:12
Speaker 2: the merchants of Tarshish with the young lions thereof, will
37:17
Speaker 2: say unto the In other words, they'll ask gaga question,
37:21
Speaker 2: and the question is are you coming to take a
37:24
Speaker 2: spoil to take a prey? In other words, we have
37:28
Speaker 2: some big power Si Dedan. I think probably the United
37:31
Speaker 2: Arab Emirates would fit into that, I'm not sure. And
37:35
Speaker 2: the merchants of Tarshish, we might fit. America might fit
37:40
Speaker 2: into that description as one of the merchants of Tarshish,
37:43
Speaker 2: because Tarshish is the far west from the Holy Land
37:50
Speaker 2: or from a Mediterranean area. And so we have this
37:56
Speaker 2: group asking a question, why are you coming down here
38:01
Speaker 2: and attacking Israel? What's going on here.
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Speaker 1: I find it absolutely fascinating that Sheba and d Dan
38:10
Speaker 1: is almost universally described as being Saudi Arabia or the
38:15
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabian Peninsula, which will include the UAE and others.
38:19
Speaker 1: So you have that Sheba and d Dan and then
38:21
Speaker 1: it says the merchants of Tarshish and all their young lions.
38:28
Speaker 1: So the question where you mentioned possibly America involved here
38:33
Speaker 1: is there's two things. One is that these people are
38:36
Speaker 1: not involved in the war. They specifically are standing away
38:43
Speaker 1: and providing a protest. So this is like a United
38:46
Speaker 1: Nations protest here. So I find it fascinating that they
38:50
Speaker 1: are unwilling to get involved, but they are willing to protest.
38:53
Speaker 1: And so when we think about Sheba and d Dan, clearly,
38:56
Speaker 1: right now this seems very prophetic because the evil axis
39:02
Speaker 1: in this case, Russia, Turkey and Iran as the main players,
39:07
Speaker 1: are generally opposite of Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is the
39:13
Speaker 1: largest Sunni Muslim population, Mecca Medina are there, and then
39:18
Speaker 1: you have the Shiite Crescent, which would include.
39:21
Speaker 3: Iran for sure going around.
39:24
Speaker 1: They want their own call of fate and so, and
39:27
Speaker 1: even as much as Turkey might be its own Sunni brand.
39:31
Speaker 1: They definitely are in competition with Saudi Arabia.
39:35
Speaker 3: So if you have a religious.
39:36
Speaker 1: Component here, which I find fascinating that you have Shiban
39:41
Speaker 1: d Dan this Sunni Muslim, I would say contingent protesting
39:47
Speaker 1: because one of the biggest things that Saudi Arabia has
39:50
Speaker 1: been fearful of is the advancement of Iran or Persia
39:53
Speaker 1: in this case.
39:54
Speaker 3: And so are they saying, hey, are they coming down now?
39:56
Speaker 3: They're coming into Aria?
39:57
Speaker 1: Are they going to keep coming into maybe the Saudi
40:00
Speaker 1: Arabian area?
40:02
Speaker 3: So it's right for them now?
40:03
Speaker 2: That would be devastating because the Saudis are dedicated to
40:07
Speaker 2: being wealthy, being stable, being rich, and building larger and
40:10
Speaker 2: larger cities.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, they're building the big city down in the desert
40:15
Speaker 1: right now, one hundred and eighty five kilometers long. Yeah,
40:17
Speaker 1: it'll be very it's you know, fifteen minute city, but
40:20
Speaker 1: it's very technological. But let me go back to Tarshish
40:23
Speaker 1: and their young lions. So Tarshish is often thought of
40:27
Speaker 1: as being Spain far western Mediterranean basin right or even
40:32
Speaker 1: as far as Britain. So because you have other metals
40:38
Speaker 1: ten and others coming out of Britain, which would be
40:40
Speaker 1: considered at least an ancient eiminological world.
40:43
Speaker 2: Could find could we define the word Tarshish as Western? Yeah,
40:48
Speaker 2: I think like western nation. Yeah.
40:50
Speaker 3: Western.
40:50
Speaker 1: And then well, this is what some people speculate, and
40:53
Speaker 1: it's speculation is if you have Britain as Tarshish, it
40:57
Speaker 1: says Tarshish and all their young lions. Yes, so the
41:01
Speaker 1: young lions. And if we think about it, America is
41:05
Speaker 1: a very young nation. Relates to any of these other
41:07
Speaker 1: countries Britain, we did, so it's a possessive they're young lions.
41:14
Speaker 1: So is this referring to a diplomatic protest by the West,
41:19
Speaker 1: as you mentioned Britain, maybe the United States or other
41:24
Speaker 1: British Empire countries.
41:27
Speaker 3: So it could.
41:29
Speaker 1: But it's interesting that what we do see in Ezeko
41:31
Speaker 1: thirty eight, somehow, some way Israel's alone. Israel's not being
41:37
Speaker 1: defended by the United States, by Saudi Arabia anybody else.
41:41
Speaker 1: Which again, as we watch things develop right now, the
41:44
Speaker 1: United States is continually isolating Israel. They're working behind the
41:47
Speaker 1: scenes against Israel. So when you talk about soon, Gary,
41:51
Speaker 1: how soon, I don't know, but it seems a foundation
41:53
Speaker 1: is being laid here.
41:55
Speaker 2: There are so many elements in what we have just
41:59
Speaker 2: looked at, and we've only taken a very cursory glance
42:03
Speaker 2: of what's going on here. Lots of things happening, and
42:07
Speaker 2: they all seem to be in some almost indistinguishable way
42:12
Speaker 2: happening right now. And we're trying to put the pieces
42:17
Speaker 2: together of that proverbial puzzle. You know, that good old
42:24
Speaker 2: thousand piece puzzle that you used to buy, you know,
42:27
Speaker 2: and it would you put it laid out on the
42:29
Speaker 2: dining room table and you start putting pieces in. That's
42:32
Speaker 2: what we're doing right now. The pieces are there, and
42:35
Speaker 2: you can look at some of them and you can say, wow,
42:38
Speaker 2: where does this fit? It certainly looks like something I
42:42
Speaker 2: can see right now, And that's what I think. That's
42:45
Speaker 2: the beauty of Ezekiel thirty eight. We cannot definitively make
42:50
Speaker 2: a statement, and so this means such as we can't
42:54
Speaker 2: do that. However, we can say there are certain things
42:58
Speaker 2: happening right now that remind us very very strongly of
43:01
Speaker 2: Ezekiel thirty eight.
43:03
Speaker 3: I think that when we come to.
43:07
Speaker 1: If we approach it, Ezeqel thirty in the sense of
43:11
Speaker 1: the war that's one thing. But there are a couple
43:14
Speaker 1: things here that we've talked about that stand out. Where
43:18
Speaker 1: it's talking about in verse twelve, to take plunder, to
43:22
Speaker 1: stretch out your hand against waste places that are again inhabited,
43:26
Speaker 1: and against the people gathered from the nations, who have
43:29
Speaker 1: acquired livestock and goods, who dwell in the midst of
43:31
Speaker 1: the land. Yes, and so you have the in verse
43:34
Speaker 1: seven or verse eight. In a lot of years, you'll
43:38
Speaker 1: come into a land that has been brought back from
43:40
Speaker 1: the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains
43:43
Speaker 1: of Israel, which had long been desolate. They were brought
43:46
Speaker 1: out of the nations, and now all of them dwell securely.
43:49
Speaker 1: So the what we know on which is not speculative,
43:53
Speaker 1: is that Ezekiel prophesies about the people of Israel being
43:59
Speaker 1: taken away way into the nations, the land lying desolate
44:03
Speaker 1: for a long period of time, you know, eighteen hundred years,
44:07
Speaker 1: and then the people coming back into the land onto
44:11
Speaker 1: the mountains of Israel, and the land not being desolate anymore.
44:14
Speaker 1: This is a This is prophecy having been one hundred
44:18
Speaker 1: percent fulfilled in our present day. Now that's the nation
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Speaker 1: of Israel part, the war part. Now we're seeing the
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Speaker 1: stage setting for that.
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Speaker 2: Yes, now we're about it. Out of time. I'm going
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Speaker 2: to leave you with this one. Now, this is verse sixteen.
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Speaker 2: And thou shall come up against my people of Israel.
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Speaker 2: What a phrase that is, my people of Israel, as
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Speaker 2: a cloud to cover the land. It shall be in
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Speaker 2: the latter days. And I will bring you up against
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Speaker 2: the against the land that the heathen may know me,
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Speaker 2: when I shall be sanctified in the o Gog before
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Speaker 2: their eyes. So there are two things I want to
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Speaker 2: ask you about, and we can close with this. One
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Speaker 2: is the phrase latter days, and the other end is
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Speaker 2: oh gog. It starts with Gog, ends with gog, and
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Speaker 2: it's in the latter days. What are these latter days?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that this is clearly when Ezekiel's writing this.
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Speaker 1: It's similar to the Book of Daniel. Daniel and Ezekiel
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Speaker 1: were very their contemporaries on one another.
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Speaker 3: They both use similar language.
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Speaker 1: Daniel chapter twelve, and hear about the latter times, about
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Speaker 1: the latter days, And so I think what he's talking
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Speaker 1: about is the end of time, the end of what
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Speaker 1: we normally understand in the sense of the latter days.
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Speaker 1: And we know the last days began ultimately with Jesus
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Speaker 1: when he left and ascended to heaven. But we're in
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Speaker 1: the latter years of the end, latter years, if you
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Speaker 1: wanted to say it that way. And so I think
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Speaker 1: you have two things that you have this enemy, because
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Speaker 1: we know other places. He says, are you the one
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Speaker 1: that my prophet has spoken of before about Gog?
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Speaker 3: And so Gog is this enemy.
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Speaker 1: Of Israel that has been around for a while, not
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Speaker 1: going anywhere, And we'll return again, as we see in
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Speaker 1: Revelation twenty at the end of the millennium.
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Speaker 3: But God is saying, we're gonna have.
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Speaker 1: A little face off here, Oh Gog, You're gonna come
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Speaker 1: up against my people in my land, and the nations
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Speaker 1: are gonna watch, and I'm gonna be sanctified and hallowed
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Speaker 1: in the sight of all of them. And we're gonna
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Speaker 1: have this battle because you're gonna come up and you're
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Speaker 1: going to try to destroy them in the latter years.
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Speaker 3: And so here we are. Gary.
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Speaker 1: It's put to me, it's fascinating that the time we're
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Speaker 1: living in this isn't guesswork. We're not making this up.
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Speaker 1: This is straightforward reading of the text. It's saying what
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Speaker 1: it's saying, and when we look out we see we
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Speaker 1: see the evidence of all of this. Part of that's
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Speaker 1: already done.
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Speaker 3: It's been fulfilled in.
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Speaker 1: Nineteen forty eight, nineteen sixty seven. Sure, now we're just
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Speaker 1: looking for the rest of it to be fulfilled in
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Speaker 1: a very literal, normal way.
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Speaker 2: Final question, are we living in these latter days? And
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Speaker 2: if so, how should that affect the way we read
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Speaker 2: the Bible and the way we look at life.
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Speaker 1: I think that we can say one hundred percent with
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Speaker 1: certainty that we're living in the latter days because according
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Speaker 1: to this text, in the latter years, Israel will come back,
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Speaker 1: the mountains will not be tesselates, the people will be
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Speaker 1: dwelling confidently and securely. We're there so because we and
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Speaker 1: the fact of the matter, Gary, because we've seen that
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Speaker 1: start in nineteen forty eight. It's been seventy five years.
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Speaker 1: So really the latter year started at the minimum in
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Speaker 1: nineteen forty eight, and now we're seventy five years later,
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Speaker 1: which means we're even closer to the end of that
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Speaker 1: latter years period.
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Speaker 2: All I can say, Mondo, this is exciting. I've really
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Speaker 2: enjoyed talking with you, I mean, and it makes me
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Speaker 2: want to go back and reread for the umpteenth's time
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Speaker 2: Ezekiel thirty eight, because you can never read it enough.
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Speaker 2: Every time you look at it, a new idea comes
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Speaker 2: into your head. And we can't be def about times
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Speaker 2: and dates. But hey, places, yeah, there are a lot
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Speaker 2: of places mentioned here, and including Turkey. I believe of
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Speaker 2: the this this thing that we talked about, the House
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Speaker 2: of Togarma and Erdawan is in the news these days, constantly, constantly,
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Speaker 2: and that's all I'm gonna say.
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Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate thank you, Gary, We appreciate all of
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Speaker 1: you listening to this kind of an introduction to the
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Speaker 1: players of Ezeko thirty eight, but also not just an introduction,
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Speaker 1: but a pronouncement that prophecy absolutely has been fulfilled and
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Speaker 1: that's exciting, and this is what reveals to us that
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Speaker 1: the word of God is true. And ultimately this points
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Speaker 1: to the validity and the absolute accuracy of Jesus being
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Speaker 1: the Messiah. He's the son of the Living God. It
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Speaker 1: was through him that salvation is being offered to everybody,
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Speaker 1: and that, to me, prophecy is very much a defense
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Speaker 1: of that truth. That salvation has only found through Him.
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