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Jaguars Happy Hour | Pete & Tony Discuss Jaguars’ Win in Week 17, How To Get Better in Offseason · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It's victory.
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  Speaker 2: Monday, December thirtyth This is Jaguars Happy Hour. Jaguars Happy
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  Speaker 1: Welcome in the first hour of Jaguars Happy Hour, presented
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  Speaker 1: by Jet Home Loans, JP Shadrick from the Hyundai Studios.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a busy two hours ahead. After a Jaguars win,
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  Speaker 1: only the fourth of the year, twenty to thirteen, the
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  Speaker 1: final Mac Jones Brian Thomas Junior pacing the offense, the
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars defense stopped the presses, got a takeaway and made
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  Speaker 1: a stop when it mattered at the end. We'll keep
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  Speaker 1: it real as always, fanatics, fan questions, and we'll go
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  Speaker 1: around the National Football League. Well. Head coach Doug Peterson
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  Speaker 1: after the game to the fourth Jaguars victory of the season, Relieved.
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  Speaker 4: Found a way to win, Proud of the guys, just
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  Speaker 4: so happy for them and coaching staff. The way these
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  Speaker 4: guys hang together, they stick together, there's no quit they
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  Speaker 4: keep fighting. You know, I keep telling them, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you never know when the plays come in your way,
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  Speaker 4: and when it does, just just make it and and
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  Speaker 4: you saw at the end there Antonio Johnson made the
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  Speaker 4: play and and you win the game. So there's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of good efforts in this game. Defense created a takeaway,
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  Speaker 4: you know, offense was was was effective and good in
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  Speaker 4: the red zone today.
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  Speaker 5: Just a good team, good team win.
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  Speaker 1: There's the head coach. We'll hear more from Doug Peterson today.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up a little bit later on the show, we
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  Speaker 1: welcome in Hall of Fame left tackle Tony Bisselli and
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  Speaker 1: CBS Sports senior writer Pete Prisco. After a Jaguars win,
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  Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Hello.
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  Speaker 3: Hey JP and Pete. Uh I like Doug's comments.
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  Speaker 6: Well, once again, we were a average throw from an
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  Speaker 6: average quarterback from going either into overtime or losing on
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  Speaker 6: a two point conversion. Once again, because we had another
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  Speaker 6: either This was not a mental air, just a blown coverage.
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  Speaker 6: Aklonquo is running down the sidelines by himself with twenty seconds,
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  Speaker 6: thirty seconds left, and if Rudolph makes a good throw,
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  Speaker 6: he walks into the end zone.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's terrible, just terrible Boks now.
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  Speaker 6: And the only reason I bring that up is because
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  Speaker 6: when Doug said Antonio Johnson made a great play at
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  Speaker 6: the end of the game.
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  Speaker 3: He did, but he was in coverage on the one
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  Speaker 3: where a con quo just goes straight down on a
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  Speaker 3: wheel route and he doesn't run.
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  Speaker 7: With him, and the other thing on the one Antonio
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  Speaker 7: Johnson made the play on if that's a guy with
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  Speaker 7: a rifle arm and can step into that throw, it's
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  Speaker 7: probably a touchdown too.
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  Speaker 3: Well, not just a rifle arm. How about anticipating and throwing.
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  Speaker 5: It before he's there. Yeah, yeah, I mean that wasn't good.
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  Speaker 5: It's goodlay. He made a good play. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to be overly negative. I'm not trying
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  Speaker 3: to do That's not fair.
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  Speaker 1: The show saying oh yeah, oh that's great. However they
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  Speaker 1: did this this, this, No, My point.
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  Speaker 6: Is dodge the bullet, not because we made a play
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  Speaker 6: at the end, because because their quarterback was couldn't complete anything.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, he's wide open, nobody was within ten yards
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  Speaker 6: of him.
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  Speaker 7: That was a hell not to on how to play
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  Speaker 7: the quarterback position from both sides on Sunday.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, So JP, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Not being negative. It's a win.
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  Speaker 6: And I said it this morning, I said it last night,
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  Speaker 6: and I said it to you when we talked to
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  Speaker 6: the UK people. I am happy for Doug Peterson, his staff,
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  Speaker 6: every player, Trent Balke, his whole staff, because those guys
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  Speaker 6: work their tails off all year in winning is hard
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  Speaker 6: in this league. I am happy for them. Congratulations. Doug's right.
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  Speaker 6: They made a play at the end. They controlled most
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  Speaker 6: of the game. They were always it felt like they
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  Speaker 6: were always gonna win that game from the start.
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  Speaker 3: They did a good job.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not taking a It just pains me to see
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  Speaker 6: another guy running wide open down the sideline in a
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  Speaker 6: adequate throw.
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't a hard throw. We are either going into overtime
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  Speaker 3: or we lose on a two point conversion. That's all
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying.
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  Speaker 6: And by the way, and then if you go picture Pete,
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  Speaker 6: and if you go big picture, the win doesn't help
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  Speaker 6: the organization long term.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't mean anything for I'm gonna.
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  Speaker 7: Say, it's gonna say it's great for those guys. It's
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  Speaker 7: gonna be on their resume. Beat Mason Rudolph in Week
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  Speaker 7: seventeen in the rain.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean. I'm happy because you guys
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  Speaker 3: work hard.
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  Speaker 7: Look, everybody tries to win, Tony, but it doesn't mean it.
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  Speaker 7: It doesn't mean next picture.
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  Speaker 6: For the big picture, for the organization. You could argue
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  Speaker 6: that was the worst thing that could happen.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, because I said this this morning.
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  Speaker 6: If you were forget about what the season said Pete,
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  Speaker 6: or what the record was this year, just forget about that.
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  Speaker 6: If I told you would you rather pick second overall
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  Speaker 6: or sixth or seventh overall, what would you.
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  Speaker 5: Tell me second?
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  Speaker 3: I want to pick second.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, So if the games don't impact and there's not
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  Speaker 6: gonna be really any carryover because the guy playing quarterback
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  Speaker 6: is not starting quarterback next year, you got I mean
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  Speaker 6: a bunch of unknowns. The most important thing is is
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  Speaker 6: acquiring new assets and better assets for next year.
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  Speaker 3: And the way you do that as through the draft.
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  Speaker 7: And number two was gonna have value, and number two
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  Speaker 7: was gonna have a value. Number number six has no value, right.
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  Speaker 5: That? So it look the game meant nothing.
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  Speaker 7: It was ugly, It wasn't It was one of the
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  Speaker 7: worst things I've watched in a long time. And they
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  Speaker 7: won the game. Yipp b I yau, good for them.
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  Speaker 7: What did What did matter is some young players played better.
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  Speaker 3: You know who besides Brian Thomas, well him.
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  Speaker 5: That guy's a star.
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  Speaker 7: But I mean there were other things that what I
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  Speaker 7: can't figure out and we're gonna go break it all down.
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  Speaker 7: Is that's a really, really, really bad offensive line.
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  Speaker 5: Where are those rushers now?
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  Speaker 3: If you watch, I thought josh heinz Allen had made off.
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  Speaker 5: He played his off and he was getting.
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  Speaker 3: Held like nobody's business in the first half.
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  Speaker 7: And he kept coming underneath on runs and make it pay.
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  Speaker 7: He played a violent, physical, good football game.
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  Speaker 5: I'll give you that he did.
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  Speaker 6: I thought Trayvon had moments where he got pushed, but
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  Speaker 6: they had like the third or fourth right tackle in there,
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  Speaker 6: and I was hoping he would just dominate him.
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  Speaker 3: And he did.
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  Speaker 5: He did not.
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  Speaker 7: Mason Smith had a couple pushes, got blocked, got blocked
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  Speaker 7: a lot.
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  Speaker 5: He can't get off a block.
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  Speaker 6: I thought Mason Smith played very good last week. I
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  Speaker 6: thought he played good the week before. I didn't think
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  Speaker 6: he did much.
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  Speaker 5: Yester year, we got the one sack that was.
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  Speaker 3: Not a sack. It was a sack in the books.
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  Speaker 6: He was on the like two yards past the line
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  Speaker 6: of scrimmage and Rudolph, for whatever reason, he was trying
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  Speaker 6: to run and he got a hand on him and
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  Speaker 6: brought him down before a one yard or two yard loss.
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  Speaker 3: For I get that. But let me ask you a question.
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  Speaker 3: When you watch that play, did you go wow?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 7: But also there was another play where he pushed the
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  Speaker 7: pocket and got and got into his face in the
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  Speaker 7: past flutter.
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  Speaker 5: Here here's the problem.
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  Speaker 7: I think he's a big, strong, physical kid that they
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  Speaker 7: can build something with down the road.
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  Speaker 5: He just needs to have to learn how to use
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  Speaker 5: the tricks of the trade. He doesn't know how to
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  Speaker 5: get off a block.
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  Speaker 3: He needs more reps.
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  Speaker 7: Well, you know, it'd been nice if he had gotten
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  Speaker 7: some reps and about the first six weeks of the season,
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  Speaker 7: maybe by week sixteen or seventeen he would have been
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  Speaker 7: a good player.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So, but listen, beating the beating, the Titans beat. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: I hate the tight I hate him.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 5: I just give it that. That's the JV. Titans. I
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  Speaker 5: get the Jaguar being the Titans JV. T That's what
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  Speaker 5: that is.
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  Speaker 3: I agree. But it's better.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, for that day, for that three hours or so,
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  Speaker 6: it was better than losing. But as soon as you
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  Speaker 6: got done and you realize it does not mean anything
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  Speaker 6: except for the guys in that locker room and the
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  Speaker 6: coaches and coach them. That's why I'm happy with them.
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  Speaker 6: But in the big picture, does anyone feel better after
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  Speaker 6: the win yesterday?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah? What? What did what went well? Beside Brian Thomas?
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  Speaker 5: I mean you he was good?
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  Speaker 1: Not I mean Parker Washings.
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  Speaker 5: He made a great catch at the end zone. He
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  Speaker 5: got two feet in where's Where's.
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  Speaker 3: I thought the protection was good again, Pete.
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  Speaker 5: It was pretty good.
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  Speaker 7: I thought Anton Harrison did some pretty good things for
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  Speaker 7: in the run game even he was pretty physical in
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  Speaker 7: the run game.
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  Speaker 5: But where where's Breton Strange in the passing game?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think did he have a target yesterday? Maybe one?
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  Speaker 3: If I remember jp W, what do you have one
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  Speaker 3: target or two targets?
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking We've got receiving targets for Brenton Strange. One target,
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  Speaker 1: no catches.
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  Speaker 5: That's it. That shouldn't happen. That should not happen. I
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  Speaker 5: don't get that one. I mean, yeah, what.
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  Speaker 7: Do you think? We'll look at it. But the offensive
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  Speaker 7: line wasn't awful. I thought they were solid. Nothing great.
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  Speaker 3: It's a tough matchup in time, I thought.
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  Speaker 6: I mean jeffres Simmons and Rondick Uhde, what's his life?
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  Speaker 5: They're tough to block, they're big, they're.
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  Speaker 3: Big people, physical people.
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  Speaker 5: I thought it's problems with big people.
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  Speaker 3: But I thought we did fine. I thought I thought
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  Speaker 3: Mitch much better this week.
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  Speaker 5: He was better this week than he was last The.
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  Speaker 6: First time we matched up against him, I thought he
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  Speaker 6: was overwhelmed. I thought Mitch did a good job this week.
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  Speaker 6: But listen, this might be the best sheriff's playing since
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  Speaker 6: he's been in Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 5: Why do you go out for like a series shoulder? God,
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  Speaker 5: he's always hurt. He's a warrior man.
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  Speaker 3: Gosh, he's tough. And I got Pete. I think Brandon's
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  Speaker 3: sheriff has played good this year.
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  Speaker 5: He's played okay.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's played better as the year's going on.
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  Speaker 3: How about that?
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  Speaker 5: I would agree with you.
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  Speaker 7: And there he's played better as the year's gone on,
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  Speaker 7: and up until yesterday, morseon play worse as the year
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  Speaker 7: gone on.
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  Speaker 3: And Ezra I think's done a good job.
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  Speaker 7: Like you know what they didn't do a good job of,
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  Speaker 7: and they haven't done a great job of when they
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  Speaker 7: the edge crashers, they don't block him very.
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  Speaker 5: Well, did you did you? You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 7: Like on those runs and he tried to get out
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  Speaker 7: once and pull and the guy beat him on the pole.
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  Speaker 7: I mean those those things blow up runs and and
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  Speaker 7: that happened a lot.
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  Speaker 5: I one of those.
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  Speaker 7: And I can't remember which tight end it was. He
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  Speaker 7: had a rough Govid again blocking? Was it was it?
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  Speaker 1: Uh?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was him again.
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  Speaker 7: Both well, I mean they used to they used to
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  Speaker 7: or as a fullback essentially a lot of those things.
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  Speaker 5: What do you think of Van Lannon?
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  Speaker 3: He's a swing tackle. I thought he was fine.
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  Speaker 5: He got Yeah, he's a guy. I mean he he's
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  Speaker 5: capable of going in and playing a game or two.
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  Speaker 3: Here's this is what you get with cold Van Landon.
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  Speaker 6: You have the security that you have a swing tackle
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  Speaker 6: that if a guy gets hurt during the game or
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  Speaker 6: it's going to be out two or three games, you
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  Speaker 6: can go win football games with him at either tackle.
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  Speaker 5: Correct. I would agree with that. I think he's not awful,
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  Speaker 5: He's he's not good.
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  Speaker 3: He's I think he's better right tackle than left tackle.
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  Speaker 5: I would agree, I would agree.
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  Speaker 3: But he was fine.
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  Speaker 6: I mean he got pushed back a couple of times.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, arden Key's is a professional pass rusher. He's
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  Speaker 6: a good player, not great, but a good player. And
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  Speaker 6: I thought he was I thought like there was never
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  Speaker 6: like like when you have a backup in there, Pete.
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  Speaker 6: It wasn't like, you know what, wasn't hitting the fan.
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  Speaker 6: It wasn't like blowing up in his face. It wasn't
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  Speaker 6: oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't a spin.
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  Speaker 5: It wasn't a spinning top.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I thought like, okay, like good, good,
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  Speaker 3: good winning football, Like he played good enough to win
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  Speaker 3: and they did.
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  Speaker 5: What about the runners, I there's something.
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  Speaker 1: Lost was weird? It just feels weird.
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  Speaker 5: Well, well, first off, they bounce. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 5: bouncing always.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was a couple of times getting north
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  Speaker 3: and south.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's three. I don't understand Atna has changed in
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  Speaker 5: completely what he is.
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  Speaker 7: You know, he can get those long runs when he
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  Speaker 7: pops once in a while, but I think you go
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  Speaker 7: from giving up a six potential six seven yard run
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  Speaker 7: to try and to hit that twenty and you end
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  Speaker 7: up with none, you know what I mean? I think
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  Speaker 7: I think both of them, and and Bixby's does it
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  Speaker 7: once in a while too.
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  Speaker 1: It's a mystery.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, we'll find out what happens, if anything, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: if like if everybody's coming back, same group of people,
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  Speaker 6: in the building. I definitely think Doug needs to take
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  Speaker 6: a step back and look at their run game and
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  Speaker 6: what they do and how they do it, and if
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  Speaker 6: if they're not here, then obviously who knows what's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 5: When you say how they do it? What do you what?
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  Speaker 5: What do you why? Do you think they should change?
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  Speaker 5: Get more physical?
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  Speaker 6: It doesn't feel like one they need to look at
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  Speaker 6: the interior of the line. They need to get younger there,
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  Speaker 6: more powerful. Uh, you know, and maybe Morrison Sheriff have
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  Speaker 6: one more year and that you might neet you might
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  Speaker 6: have to based on cap numbers. I don't know what
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  Speaker 6: their cap numbers are, and I don't even know if
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  Speaker 6: they want to play again next year. They're going to
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  Speaker 6: be in their eleventh year, and you know, Brandon's been
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  Speaker 6: fighting injuries, so we'll wait and see on that. It
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  Speaker 6: doesn't feel like it's the run game, doesn't feel like
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  Speaker 6: it's married up to the past. It doesn't feel like
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  Speaker 6: there's like a continuity of what they're trying to do.
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  Speaker 6: And I think it goes back to what we talked
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  Speaker 6: about Pete often on this show this year, is what's
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  Speaker 6: the identity?
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  Speaker 3: Who are they? Are they a downhill run team? Are
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  Speaker 3: they inside out zone team?
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  Speaker 6: Are they gonna go a lot of duo and push
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  Speaker 6: people off the ball and just pound you. They're gonna
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  Speaker 6: run gaps? I mean, and now teams you can do
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  Speaker 6: all those things, but what's your identity? Okay, yeah, your
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  Speaker 6: play action pass game off of that identity.
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  Speaker 7: Well, there's always there's always you know, you block here,
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  Speaker 7: you pull around, you block down.
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  Speaker 6: And trying to do a lot of They like the
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  Speaker 6: waam game, they like the pin and pull because I
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  Speaker 6: think they're not physical. My guess is Press Taylor, who's
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  Speaker 6: calling plays, does not feel like they're physical enough to
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  Speaker 6: line up and just go beat people up.
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  Speaker 7: Correct, And the easiest thing to do is block down,
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  Speaker 7: pull around, and block that way angle.
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  Speaker 5: But it's essentially playing you know that. It's the angles.
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  Speaker 7: But if the angle doesn't get his guy blocked, then
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  Speaker 7: the other guy in getting out in the whole run
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  Speaker 7: is blown up.
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  Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 7: If the guy's getting pushed back into the backfield, which happens,
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  Speaker 7: then you're not getting the puller.
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  Speaker 5: Out and you're having problems to begin with.
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  Speaker 7: So and by the way, Tony, when you great a
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  Speaker 7: play like that, you know we talk about all these
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  Speaker 7: guys grading plays. If the left guard is pulling and
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  Speaker 7: the center gets pushed back and the left guard can't
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  Speaker 7: get out, and what's the grade on the left guard?
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  Speaker 5: Do you give them negative or what? I mean?
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  Speaker 3: You can't give them anything incomplete?
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  Speaker 7: Right, So, but I think I'm with you on that.
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  Speaker 7: I think sometimes you just need the mall people.
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  Speaker 5: You just need them. And there's never any there's never any.
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  Speaker 7: Moment in the entire season or even the course of
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  Speaker 7: any where you just think they're mauling people.
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  Speaker 5: You know, when you watch the Lions. The Lions do
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  Speaker 5: a lot of that pulling and everything too, But there's
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  Speaker 5: times when you look at them and you go, they're
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  Speaker 5: mauling people. You don't see Jacksonville doesn't maul anybody.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, let's come back. We'll get into that a little
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: bit more on how they could mal people in the future.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I just hit that groove, man, I kind
• 16:32
  Speaker 8: of I felt like I kind of.
• 16:33
  Speaker 9: Knew what to expect in those situations, in those plays
• 16:36
  Speaker 9: coming up.
• 16:37
  Speaker 8: The communication was great for I had my mindset on
• 16:40
  Speaker 8: the first play that they were gonna do that. Ntoyer
• 16:42
  Speaker 8: confirming that only just gave me the Q to just, hey,
• 16:46
  Speaker 8: go make a play.
• 16:48
  Speaker 9: And then that second one, man, I was just I
• 16:50
  Speaker 9: mean I feel like I was beating them like that
• 16:51
  Speaker 9: all game.
• 16:53
  Speaker 8: You know, quarterback Dbs did a hell of a job
• 16:55
  Speaker 8: in the back.
• 16:56
  Speaker 9: End holding their coverages, so that allowed me to sneak
• 16:58
  Speaker 9: in the and you know, get the sack. And that
• 17:00
  Speaker 9: third one thought Eric called a great game. Wanted us
• 17:03
  Speaker 9: to be on the movement to see what was happening.
• 17:06
  Speaker 8: So we just put in, you know, to put ourselves
• 17:08
  Speaker 8: in good positions to make plays. And you know, can't
• 17:11
  Speaker 8: want to do that again next week.
• 17:13
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• 17:48
  Speaker 1: and the defensive performance yesterday of Josh heinz Allen. He's
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: talking about a sequence there late in the third quarter.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: We had what the five yard tackle for loss on
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Beers around the left in it was injured during the play,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: and then a sack of Rudolph the next play on
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: second and fifteen, and then the tackle of a Conquo
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: on the short pass in the middle, forcing a punt,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: and then the Jaguars go down and score touchdown to
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: go up twenty to ten at that point. So there
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: was that moment he was talking about in the game
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: where he kind of turned on the accelerator a little bit.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: Pete well he was playing. I think he played well
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: all game. I mean, Tony's right, he was.
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: He plays hard, he plays tough, and I'm with you, Tony,
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: when you look at him, I do think he needs
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: to get back to being a little lighter.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: I think that's for him next year.
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: I think that's that's important, to get lighter and get
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: a little quicker. But man, he's violent when he takes
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: on the run game, and I think he had a
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: good game.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: He was the one guy that stood out on defense
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: for me.
• 18:49
  Speaker 7: I thought I thought he was you know, it wasn't
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: like he was blowing by that guy on a constant basis.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: But it was a good, solid football game.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: I mean he's a good football player. I mean I
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: thought Trey Bond was solid, like fine. I just expected
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: him to do more against their whatever their third or
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: whatever number tackle that was. And overall I thought the defense,
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: I thought the defense did what they needed to do.
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: But I mean, how can you evaluate that it's so
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: hard to defend that that team, that's not it.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's not hard to defend that team.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: I agree with that, but beat in the last two games,
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: they scored fifty six points.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Against the Jaguars. They scored six the first time in thirteen.
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: The second time, yeah, they scored. So they scored fifty.
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: They scored a bunch of garbage points against the Colts
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: team that gave up four touchdown passes to Drew Locke on.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, were they playing flag football with
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: the Colts. I watched some of the play They didn't
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: even tackle. Yeah.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: I love Gus Bradley as a guy. I think he's
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: a great guy. You know that.
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: I have nothing, But I think he's in trouble and
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: I think others are in trouble there too.
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: Look, let's be real. You know, the Jaguars play the
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: Colts this week.
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: The Colts haven't won the division since Andrew Luck was there.
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, we talk, we always point out
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: and this team is easy to point out the flaws
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: because they've had a bunch of them the last couple
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: of years. But the other teams in the division have
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: tons of them too, you know, not all of them,
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: including the Texans.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: By the way, it's not a good division this year, Pete.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: It's awful.
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: If you ranked, if you went through and you took
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: the NFC South, the Bucks are better than the Texans.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Yes, And the Falcons are better than the Colts.
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: Yes, the Saints and the Panthers better than they're all
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: the same.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: The Panthers have the same record as week.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: But again it's it's just a bad division. This This
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: would have been a year to be good in that division, which.
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's not a very good
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: division this year. The Texans have all kinds of flaws.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: They're not very good. They're gonna be one and done
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: in the playoffs.
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: So yes, to answer your question, Tony about the defense,
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: they played well for that you know it was you know,
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: for that group they played well against them, and it
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: was and there were some moments where you look, you know,
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: you know, Monteric Brown is a feisty little guy over
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: there on the corner, makes some plays, but you know
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: he's limited what he does, but he plays hard.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Would it be let me ask you a question next year,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: if you had to.
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: Go into the season with Monteric Brown as your number
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: two corner, is that the worst thing?
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: No?
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: The worst thing is not having big guys.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: That's my point. Like I'm like watching, like if I
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: just if you took the names and numbers off the jerseys,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: and you watch Monterrey Brown. I think he's a He's
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: a solid corner in this league. He tackles well, he
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: plays hard, he's physical, he's gonna be in the right place.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying he's a one or a great you know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: gonna go get you five picks or not.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: But he's a good He's a good, solid football player.
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: He also, i mean, think about it, he took the
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: job of a guy that made made a little bit
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: of buckh you know, in free agency. So it's not
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: like he's he's terrible competitive.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: He's a competitor.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: I like that. I like that too, is the fact
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: that he does compete.
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: You know, No, you know how I feel about the
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: defensive line, even you know, we always talk about the
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: opfensive line. But like, if you're picking sixth, okay, I'm
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: gonna say, if they were picking third the two quarterbacks, I'll.
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: Ask the question, Pete, you're picking third, would you take
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: Travis Hunter or the tackle at Michigan.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: I'm taking a d tackle out of Michigan.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: I think I am too. I'm now that's saying I've
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: watched exactly one game with that guy. This year against USC,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: where he was very good.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: So I don't know that guy's been good all year.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: What you saw at USC, that's what you That's what
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: you get with him. He's a he's an aggressive, push
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: the pocket, tough, physical guy.
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: You put him if if I take over this team
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: next year, if I'm if I was the defensive coordinator
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: or the general manager or the head coach or whoever
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: I took him, I'm playing him next to Mason Smith,
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: who a good defensive line coach will get him to
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: use his hands and become more of a factor in there.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: Then you have.
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: Slim down Josh Allen, slim down Trayvon Walker, and that's
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: my that's my group.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: And then I'm also gonna find some speed somewhere off.
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: The edge so I can move Trayvon Walker inside, So
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: my four would be that group, and I and move
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: him around, and then you know, because you're gonna be
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: stuck with Armstead, so you bring him in there and
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: let him do his high, play high, and let somebody
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: block a routine.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: Nineteen plays a game that's not very nice, Pete, Yeah,
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: I mean he hasn't played very I mean, am I
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: being critical? Am I being cruel? By saying he hasn't
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: played very well.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Well, you are being critical, how I you're being accurate.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's had a good year.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: No, is there something underlying that we don't know?
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know that, but I'll say I well, earlier
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: in the year, it was he's coming off a knee.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Given a little time, let's working back in.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: He's gonna be on the team next year because his
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: cap number is so big, you have no choice. We talked,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: We talked about that.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: Last time I would listen, I would doctor Eric Arms said, listen,
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: you're gonna play twenty snaps a game at three technique
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: and so so go get work on your bet because
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: this dude has been able to rush the passer in
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: his career in a dominant fashion at times from the
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: three technique position.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: But he's not even doing that for the three technique
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: when he's playing it.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: This just telling you, listen, you have nothing else to
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: worry about. Line up in the three technique and go
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: get me six sacks next year.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: And by the way, the rookie gets out of place
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: and gets blocked every the fifty nine. Uh.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not gonna comment.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: I mean he's overwhelmed.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: He should not be out there right now.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: No, and so again. But that's what I would do.
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: My four would be that if you can put that
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: four on the field and walk her now and trim
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: down and get a little quicker, you're gonna you're gonna
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: be able to rush with four. And if you can
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: rush with four, Monterrek Brown can play corner if you're
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: getting past rushed with four.
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: I don't think I don't think Trayvon needs to slim down.
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: I'm fine with Trayvon in his size. He's a big,
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: powerful guy. He's a power rusher. That's what he's gonna be.
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: If you slim down, he's never gonna be an edge
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: turn the hips, get you know, that's not who he is.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: And that's what I guess. I guess it's not gonna
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: for him. It would for him.
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: It's okay to be bigger because he's gonna go side.
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: A good team will slide him inside on passing downs more.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: He's a big, long, physical, get kicking like.
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: You want him to beat the hell out of the
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: tight end and the right tackle and just make their
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: lives miserable.
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: But Tony the problem with he's more like Klayus Campbell
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: than he is.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: Yes, right, So.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Guess what, Pete. If Traymon Walker averages ten sacks a year, which.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: He's what half? Is he half away from that now?
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: Isn't yeah?
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Nine half?
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: If he averages ten a year and he's your left
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: end that you move at times to a three technique
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: and sub great, guess what you're gonna resign him.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: He's gonna beer his career.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: That he's a good player.
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: I'm not saying he's not, but that, but that's why
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: there's no push in the middle. So those guys kind
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: of get they don't get any help when it comes
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: to that.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: And I'm with you on Josh and heinz Allen downs
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: a little bit so he can get more of a
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: speedback in on the edge because he has good power too.
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: Like he's a good like there are two good football players,
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: like you don't have to worry like good football players.
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: Okay, here's the other part of that equation now, is
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: we're talking a little bit about fixing the team.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: What if you took a speed rusher, a possibility like
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: Abdull Carter from Penn State.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: I'm not against it. I think a lot of that.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: Is also dependent on how deep are those positions can
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: you get at the top of two A good interior, guy,
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: You got to build the interior that offensive defensive line.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: I'm with you.
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: The deterior of the defensive line is not not good enough,
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: and it hasn't been good enough.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: By the way.
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: They got run on by a below average offensive line
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: with their backup running back yesterday game.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure it did. Sure did. Hey, let's come back.
• 27:55
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• 27:57
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• 28:06
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, not really. I mean I played the same way
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: each week.
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: Sometimes at the NFL that the chips fall a different way,
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: the results fall a different way, but I stick to
• 29:05
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  Speaker 1: Mac Jones Jaguars quarterback, fifteen of twenty two through the air,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy four yards, two touchdown passes, one
• 29:16
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• 29:19
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  Speaker 1: with Pete Prisco and Tony Biselli, and earlier back to
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  Speaker 1: the offensive convererce here that was Mac Jones talking about
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: his preparation each and every week, one more opportunity for
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: him to put something out there for next season. But
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: the conversation earlier was about the offensive line and the
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: run game for the Jaguars and Travis etn yesterday fifteen
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: carries forty nine yards three point three average along of
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: fifteen bigsby eleven for thirty three yards three yards of
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: carry and along of seven in the game, Brian Thomas
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Junior had the long rush for the Jaguars on an
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: end to round of eighteen yards. So the run game
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: just inconsistent again yesterday, Guys.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: I mean it's been like that for three years. You
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: really would think about it.
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, Tony, when you played and I'm going
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: to reference this, there was there were always moments. I'm
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: not talking about the FRED, even before FRED, when you
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: weren't a great team yet, but there were always moments
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: when you ran the football.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: In ninety five we were atrocious and everything bad.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: Well, there was a bad team.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Including running the ball.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: I mean we won four games just because we were
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: mentally tough, because we got the hell beat out of
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: us by Tom.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's bad team. But I'm thinking about going back
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: to ninety six.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Ninety six, we did run the ball until late.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: Second half of the second half of the season.
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: Natron got going, and it was but when he got going,
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: you sat there and you go there, it goes there,
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: it goes there, it goes When was the last time
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: with a Jacksonville team that you could sit back and.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: Go there, it goes there. You know that It just
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: you know, six four, three, five, and.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe twenty seventeen a little bit they ran it.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: But if you think about the history of this organization,
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: we started sing back half ninety six, start running the
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: ball good with Natron.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Ninety seven we went to the zone scheme because.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: Because we was on Denver, saw Denver do it actually?
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: Really ninety eight when we went to the zone screen
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: ninety seven we ran it.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: We were okay, we were middle of the pack run team.
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: In ninety seven ninety seven playoffs, we got rushed for
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: three hundred and fifty yards against us against Denver.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: They beat the hell out of us. Still they're still.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: Cutting the force. Did Derrek Lavell have one hundred and
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: fourth quarter against you?
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: They were, They're still running. And then we put the
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: zone scheme in inside outside zone that offseason and we
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: became ninety eight, ninety eight, ninety nine and even two
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: thousand we were, I mean ninety eight ninety nine, I.
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: Think we were number two in the league. We were
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: top five rush teams. Ninety two thousand. We were good.
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: And then when Jack got here, Remember the Jack Dell
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: Real teams were built on defense and running the ball
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: with fred In and the.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: Cards were physical always they were.
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: They were physical uh MJD. And fred ran the ball
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: and they played great defense with that big, big defense
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: the line YEP and then In and then we went
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: through the doldrums. And then in twenty seventeen where they drafted,
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: we drafted for Fort Leonard Fort and and we were
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: a run first team and partly because we didn't have
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: confidence we could throw it with Blake and they ran
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: the ball.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Their yards for Kerry weren't great, but they played such
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: good defense that they would just pound you and.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: Run it, run it, run it run, And he had
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: and he'd hit some big runs. Yes, yep, Pittsburgh. He
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: was a nineties something, yeah, right along and then in
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: twenty two.
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: I'm just like, if you go back and look at
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: this team, the history and when we've made the playoffs,
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: we've had a good run ting, we've had a run.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: You know, we've run the ball well and had balance
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: because you know, I know, Pete, you believe the past
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: game opens up the run game.
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: And I'm not saying you're wrong there coming from the
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: other side. If you can control a line of scrimmage
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: and run the ball, you're gonna put that defense in
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: a bind with play action pass and that's we're gonna
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: get your big plays in the past game. But regardless,
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: you gotta be all the you gotta control the line scrimage,
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: you got to run the ball, and that's something we
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: just haven't done. We were, we were better the back
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: half of twenty two.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: We win that nice little run, But if you look
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: at the last two years, we have not controlled the
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: line of scrimmage and we've not run the ball effectively.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: They averaged four point seven in twenty twenty two.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: We did in four point three and twenty twenty seven.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: They've been over four in like eighteen nineteen twenty and
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: twenty one my point.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: But in twenty two the back half is when we
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: started running the ball.
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: Well yeah, and no, I'm a big believer. You throw
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: the score and you run to win. I've always said
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: that you have to when you need to run, you
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: have to be able to run. And you know, running
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: it helped set up the passing game, but you have
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: to be able to throw it when you need to
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: throw too. So look, I think there's never this team.
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: It's been a long time since you sat back and said,
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: there they go.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: They're pounding it. They're pounding, they're pounding it, you know,
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: like for team.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Is the last time that's where you felt that.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: Way, right, Like like the Packers traditionally have not been
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: a pounded team Jacobs, of course, and and they do
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: it and they can do it, and so I think
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: they got to so jpt answer your question, how do
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: you fix it? They got to get more physical on
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: the offensive line. But more than that, they got to evaluate,
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: Like Tony said, what do they want to do as
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: a run scheme? What what is the what do they
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: want to be Tony, how would you describe from an
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: offensive line and standpoint, how would you describe the Lions
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: and the Eagles schemes.
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: Uh, the the Eagles are are big upfront. Obviously, they
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: got Saquons, a great back, but they're gonna spread you
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: out and then get you know, more spread you out.
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: Less of those tight formations, a lot of shotgun but
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: they're they're gonna run inside, outside zone, a little bit
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: of some.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Gap scheme stuff in there. And they got a great
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: back and they're really good up front.
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: Like when they had Kelsey, he used to pull a
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: lot and they'd get him out on stuff.
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: And you look at the Detroit Lions, they're downhill gap scheme,
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: a lot of duo. We're getting a bunch of doubles,
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: and they got two really good backs that are physical
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: downhill runners. And then they'll they kind of have good
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: complimentary football because Jamar Gibbs has the ability also to
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: get out on some of those toss cracks and get
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: outside and really put you in a buying because of
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: his speed and and the way he's able to finish.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: You look at you look at the Green Bay Packers,
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: they're an inside outside zone scheme. You know before comes
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: from the McVeigh kind of school of thought. That's how
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: they really build their offense off of that inside outside
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: zone play action pass.
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: But even that has evolved to where now those teams
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: are are combos there.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: You know, there's no more where you're just one.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: They You got to be able to do both. You
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: got to.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: And here's the other thing.
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: I think THEO gap, that stuff that demoralizes a defense
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: when you're getting doubled and getting like you want to.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Get two doubles, you get singles outside and you're just
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: coming downhill and just beating him.
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: And you could just see him. They're skating to try
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: and stay in there. You know, they're trying to hold
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: the point, and it just demoralized. And you don't see
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: that with Jacksonville.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: You just don't.
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: No, this is not our it's not our makeup right now.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: Okay, aside from a new staff, which is possible, how
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: do you change that. You got to get bigger, right,
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: You got to get stronger.
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think you got it younger. I mean,
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: and I said at the top of the show, I
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: think Brandon Sheriff's.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Had a good year.
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: He's playing good football. In my opinion, especially in the
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: back half of this year. Is the season's got on
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: he's gotten better. Miss Morris is not gonna move yet,
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: but he's a really good solid center, is good getting
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: up the next level. He's good on double teams. But
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: they're both going into the eleventh year. I mean they're
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: older guys, and not that you can't have older guys.
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: I mean you look at the Detroit Lyons. Zeitler's their
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: right guard, and he's not exactly you know, a spring chet.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: He's played great this year.
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: Yes, so I'm not saying they can't do it. But
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: I also think it's not just the bodies you have there.
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: It's the mentality. It's how you coach it.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: It's what you demand of people, your.
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: Expectation, And I just don't think that's the makeup of
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: our team right now.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: You know, you.
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: Gotta do you set the tone of who you are
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: in the off season with how you work out, how
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: you train, how you practice, how.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: You do camp.
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: I mean I don't, and I know Doun probably will
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: disagree with me, and that's fine. You know, because they
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: talked about that this was a hard, physical camp. I
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: don't think it was. In my opinion, this was not
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: a physical camp anytime. If you're telling me it's a
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: physical camp, and you're I could give you multiple examples,
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: but the one that's the top of my head is
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: that when you practice with another team in the second
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: day of those practices, you decide to go with no
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: pads on.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: That's not physical. It's just not as.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: I'm with you, I think they're physical.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: I don't think like you set the tone. So it's
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: not just.
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: The people you draft and the body style types you get.
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: And you know, in developing young offensive line, I mean,
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: we've talked about that quite a bit on the on
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: the show.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: It's a mentality. It's who you are. It's what you
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: demand as an offensive line coach, as a coordinator, as
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: a head coach, as an organization. It's like, this is
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: who we are.
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: But you know, going back to one of your points though,
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: you know, sometimes when a team throws it around and
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: they're free will flow and you say, okay, well they're
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: not going to be a physical team and they're not
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: going to be they're not that team.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: And you go through history you look and you say,
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: well that's not who they were.
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: But the identity what is There is no identity, there's
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: no throw it around identity and drive the ball down
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: the field identity on this team, you know, play fast
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: identity on this team.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: What there is no offensive identity at all, zero, And
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: that's the problem.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: That's a big problem.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: I tend to agree with your pete.
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: I think I think you're seeing him throw the ball
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: down the field more because they have confidence in the protection.
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: Now early in the season, I don't think the protection
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: was great, and it's got it's improved through the year.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: So give those guys credits.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: And Brian Thomas has gotten better since early in the
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: season and he helps.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: But they they like, here's a good question for you.
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: Two early in the year compared to early in that
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: early in the year compared to now, I would have
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: said that early in the year, the quarterback was being
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: rushed to make decisions, and now I feel like the
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: quarterback is leaving clean pockets for no reason.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Like those are like like if you think like I
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: look at.
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: Like the beginning and the end of the season. Like
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: if you've asked me the last five to six weeks
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: of this, say since Detroit, since the Detroit debacle, I
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: would say since then, and I'd have to go looking
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: back at every game. But for the most part, the
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: feeling I have right now talking to you guys, is
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: this offensive line is protected well and more times than not,
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: the quarterback has sped himself up and left clean pockets
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: and not hung in there to deliver the ball where
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: I would have said in the first part of the
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: season the quarterback could not sit in there with being
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: rushed because people.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: In his face and he was getting hit.
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: Okay, but you've also played in the last three games,
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: You've played the Titans, the Raiders without Crosby, and the
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: Titans again. Correct.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, you also played the Texans with two good defensive ends.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: They did nothing.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: You played the Jets, who have a good defensive front,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: they did nothing.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Titans tackles, the Titans defensive tackles are really good too.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Beat. I'm not saying they're good teams.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: But they're not. But again, you're the one who told.
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: Me the best pass wrestling duo in the NFL or
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: the Texans.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: I did, did I? I didn't say that. I didn't.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: I did not say that.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, someone said it, maybe.
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: My mouth, but that team stinks with the past rushing pest.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: I didn't say the Raiders, Pete. Would you are Would
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: you agree.
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: Though, that the two ends, Will Anderson and uh Neil.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Hunter are arguably the best duo past rushing.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: In the conversation, yeah, in the conversation, they did absolutely
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: nothing right.
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: And and so I'm not arguing with you on mac
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: Jones leaving clean pockets, by the way, because that's exactly
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: what he's done. I mean, like, there was a play
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: on Sunday where he had all day and there was
• 42:47
  Speaker 7: nobody in no pressure whatsoever in his face because they
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: kind of ran them all by, and he goes running
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: almost to the line of scrimmage when you all you
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: need to do is stand there and fire a shot
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: into the middle of the field.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: Jones.
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: He ended up completing the pass, but he made it
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: a much harder play than it had to be.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, what is he doing?
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: But again, we got we gotta come back.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: We'll come back.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, We'll finish this thought on the quarterback and what's
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: left for him with one game to go in his
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: contract and in this regular season, that's all coming up.
• 43:22
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• 43:24
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• 44:08
  Speaker 1: we've uh, we've got a few minutes here to expand
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: on this quarterback situation with Mac Jones. One more game
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: to go. What is he next year? Is he a
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: backup in the league or has he got a chance
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: to start somewhere?
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: Pete, are you really asking him?
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Asking you a question?
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: To answer your question, I think he should nestle in
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: and enjoy the fruits and the and the pay and
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: everything else of the long term backup in the National
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: Football League, because that's what he's gonna be.
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: That's what he is, and there's nothing wrong with that.
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: He was drafted too high, but I think he showed
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: the rest of the NFL that he's a backup quarterback
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: and that's okay, and he's an okay guy to have
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: around as a backup quarterback. But that's what he is.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Would you bring back here as a back up Pete?
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: One of my other options?
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: And who's the I mean, you know, you don't even
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: know what this is. Somebody's going to be the system
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: is going to be.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, it's tough to tell.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, he hasn't been good. I mean, he can't
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: sugarcoat that.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: He had one hundred and twenty two rating on Sunday.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Again, fifth best career rating. Pete.
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: Okay, bubble screen flare pass to ETN But what was
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: that game?
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Was that?
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: Was that not for thirty yards or so on that
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: little dump.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Off it might have been, right, yeah, yeah it was.
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: I mean again another eight I think eighteen on the
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: shovel pass to uh Brian Thomas Jr.
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: Right, I mean it's just yeah, there's no do you
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: ever look at him when he throws the football and go,
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: oh he drove that one?
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: Did do you drive the ball that? Oh? No?
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: Even the one that Parker Washington in the back of
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: the end zone kind of like sailed and floated a
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: little bit to get there.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I.
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: Know Tony's biting his tongue because you know, look, I'm
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: not killing the kid. He's just a backup in the NFL,
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: and that's okay. He's just he's not a starter.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: And I think that's that's become evident.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: So jpm's timed to we have because I know we
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: got a break coming.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, you got probably about a minute, Pete.
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: How many how many teams next year need a quarterback?
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: Do not have a starting quarterback today?
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: Giants? Okay, Jets, maybe good Tennessee.
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so I guess here's my question. Let's say Tennessee.
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: Let's say Tennessee ends.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Up with the number two Overhall Pick. I have no
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: idea what they're gonna end up.
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: Let's just say they do, and they probably will and
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: they go draft Cam wore right.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Would you bring in like the Vikings?
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: Did Sam Donold bring in mac Jones that can be
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: a veteran.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: No, Hey, let's finish that thought when we come back.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Apparently the answer is no.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, Sam dark Mac Jones. Their arms aren't close
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: to being the.
• 47:22
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• 47:26
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• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Hey, congratulations, man. We talked about it before the game.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: We said, hey, guys.
• 47:39
  Speaker 10: In uniform, guys not in uniform, guys that are injured,
• 47:42
  Speaker 10: everybody in this locker room, we're gonna take that field
• 47:44
  Speaker 10: as one.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: We did.
• 47:45
  Speaker 10: We come off the field as one victorious. Great job.
• 47:47
  Speaker 10: Congratulations everybody.
• 47:48
  Speaker 9: Man.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: You're bad winning games, losing games in the NFL.
• 47:56
  Speaker 10: You find out it doesn't take a whole lot, just
• 47:58
  Speaker 10: takes a couple of plays.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: We talked about it.
• 47:59
  Speaker 10: We were the ones that may plays at the end. Ajay, right,
• 48:05
  Speaker 10: we just keep balloting, tails off everybody, all three phases.
• 48:09
  Speaker 10: Congrats man, congrats, So hats off, all right, hats off
• 48:13
  Speaker 10: to that.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Before we get out of here.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: We gotta give one man. We gotta get it ready,
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: one two three.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: That is head coach Doug Peterson in the locker room
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: after the Jaguars win yesterday in Week seventeen, twenty to
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: thirteen final over the Tennessee Titans. The second hour Jaguars
• 48:29
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• 48:42
  Speaker 1: just enough. Mac Jones had two touchdown passes, one to
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junior, his tenth of the season receiving and
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Parker Washington had the other and now Brian Thomas Junior
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: fourth in the league in receiving yardage this year.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: Overall.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Jaguars defense, Yes, they had a takeaway. Yes, made the
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: stop in the big moment late to seal the game.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: The Jags now four and twelve and now fifth and
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five NFL Draft order, and now it's
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: onto Indianapolis for a meaningless football game. The Colts are
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: eliminated from playoff contention with the loss to the Giants yesterday,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: but the Jaguars look to finish the season with a
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: winning record in the AFC South. Second Hour brought to
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: you by mister Chubby's the food Option tonight the Caesar rap.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: We had mac and cheese, fried mac and cheese bites,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: pretzel bites, and some kind of like fried potato with cheese.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: How was the fried mac and cheese bite? Because I
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: know you put your fingers in that one. JP.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I had a couple they were fantastic.
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: Are they good? I've never had those seen once. I
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: have ever eaten the.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Little triangles, and it's got like macaroni. It's like mac
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: and cheese ball.
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: It doesn't sound, it doesn't sound like something that should happen.
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: But I guess it's not bad.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: No, Yeah, that's so. That was the option tonight for
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: our production staff getting the work done here at the
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Miller Electric Center after the Jaguars win yesterday. So did
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: you say.
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: About winning record in a division? You really hang your
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: hat on that?
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: What else is there to hang the hat on? Pete?
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Would you rather have a five hundred record or a
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: losing record?
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter, It matters none, It doesn't matter. You're
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: playing out the string. How many guys have their reservations
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: already for Cabo can't cool?
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I said this. I said this
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: earlier today. This might be the fastest football game of
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: the season.
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I mean it's bad.
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: I hate to agree with Pete on this these type
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: of subjects, but I tend to agree with them. I honestly, man,
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: if I think about it, I could go back the
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: year we are four and twelve and ninety five.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you what our division record is. I
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: didn't care.
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: Like it wasn't like, whoo, we're four and twelve, but
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: we split in the division, which I think we I
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: we did. We were three and three because we beat
• 51:09
  Speaker 6: the Steelers, we beat Cleveland. We were four and two
• 51:12
  Speaker 6: in the division all games, division games.
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: Game you were You carry that over to the next year.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: When you start pulling stuff up like that, it means
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: you had a crappy season.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: True, that's the truth. Let me tell you when the
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: division games matter.
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: I mean they matter during the season if you're good,
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: and they matter at the end of the year if
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: it comes down to a tiebreaker. You want to do
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: well in your division so you can win the tiebreaker, right.
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: But for a bad team looking back and saying, hey,
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: you could have a winning record in the division, it
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: means nothing zero. A, the team stink in the division
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: and B you stunk.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: And Doug Peterson said it today in a zoom call.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: The medis like that means we didn't win enough other games.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: That's what that means.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: That's all I mean, that's all it means.
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: But you know, like the Colts were so bad on Sunday,
• 52:07
  Speaker 7: and and you know you I haven't watched the tape
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: of that game yet.
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: I will, but there's rumblings that they packed that up
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: and went home.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: To give a chance to be in the playoffs.
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: It just I mean, Tony Drew.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Locke unbelievable, five total touchdowns for him.
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: There is hope for back Jones man.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, I will watch the tape.
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: When I looked at the I looked at the yard
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: and it wasn't like that he threw for a bunch
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: of yards. It was like it was and it was
• 52:41
  Speaker 6: like an off return for a touchdown, touchdown.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: It looked like a couple of big plays.
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: They didn't tackle.
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: Nobody tackled and and you know, again, playoffs on the line,
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: and you do that.
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: It makes no sense. And the Giants the flip side
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: had cost some the chance as a quarterback.
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: Maybe Pete is uh is Chris Ballard who's been there
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: since twenty seventeen, is not won the division yet?
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Are is Ballard and Stiking in trouble?
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: I think Ballard could be in trouble. I think Ballort
• 53:17
  Speaker 7: could be in trouble. You know, he's got a guy
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: in that office, Ed Dodds who a lot of people
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: think highly of and the second in command, and so
• 53:26
  Speaker 7: maybe they make a change and give it to him.
• 53:28
  Speaker 7: But you know, the media loves Chris Ballard, and Chris
• 53:32
  Speaker 7: Balard is a good guy. So you know how that works.
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: When when the media loves the guy, he's gonna get
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: the benefit of the doubt, you know, like the warm
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: and fuzzy general manager.
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: And Jacksonville to media.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: From back to Chris Ballard.
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: Was always a warm and fuzzy too back in the day,
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: wasn't he. I mean, think about some of these guys.
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: So you think Ballard's in trouble, I think he can be,
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: I mean rightfully.
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: So, I mean you've had you've had since twenty seventeen
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: to fix it and you haven't.
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: That's a long time.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: And how many coaches as he had?
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: Three?
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: You don't get three.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: Usually, well, I maybe three if you count Jeff Saturday,
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: Well he had Frank Reich.
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: Isn't there one when they're one? Didn't he have one?
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: No? I don't think so let me look, I'm gonna look.
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: But yeah, to answer your question.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: We Pogano was last year was seventeen and then Reich
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty two, and then Saturday and twenty two
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: and then stuff.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: Pegana wasn't his guy.
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: He said three of his guys, right, three of his guys, really,
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: two of his guys because Saturday was game right when
• 54:57
  Speaker 6: they fired, when they fired Reich and said, Jeff Saturday's
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: intern coach.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: It really he said two people.
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: Too, which but he's he's been there for three coaches.
• 55:08
  Speaker 7: He's been there for four actually, right, And and I mean.
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: That roster. You look at it.
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: Do you ever look at their roster and go wow? No, No,
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: I think he's in trouble.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: And the one I don't understand is drafting.
• 55:25
  Speaker 6: Drafting Anthony Richardson in the first round last year, I
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: just don't understand that.
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, in fairness Anthony Richardson, yes, he wasn't ready,
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: but in fairness to him, it's not like Joe Flaccoo
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: in there lit it up the last couple of I.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: Mean, at any point watching. I mean, the kid is
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: a phenomenal athlete that can do amazing.
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: Things, and he can't pass.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: He could not stay in.
• 55:48
  Speaker 6: The field at Florida, and he was wildly inaccurate at Florida.
• 55:54
  Speaker 6: He's come to the NFL he cannot stay in the field,
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: and he is wildly inaccurate.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's not.
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: I just didn't understand drafting him in the first round.
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: He's a project, right, But you.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: Get in the second round in the first second and
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: like say, hey, we're gonna put him on the bench
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: for three years and hope he can learn to play quarterback.
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: The right way, like Jalen Milroe. If you picked him
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: from Alabama, that's right.
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: If you're gonna pick that kid from Alabama, you park
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: him on the bench for two to three years behind
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: a veteran.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: Say you're not playing at all. I don't care if
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: we stink you're not playing.
• 56:32
  Speaker 7: Or if he stinks in practice and you make him
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: a tight end because he runs fourth through something.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: My point is, I like, so Ballard's made some picks.
• 56:42
  Speaker 6: I don't understand.
• 56:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think yes. If you look at the body
• 56:48
  Speaker 7: of work, what are their record JP, you have it
• 56:50
  Speaker 7: right there. What are the records over the course of
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: the last since twenty seventeen.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Saturday year, the pack five right around five hundred all right,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: twenty seventeen they were four and twelve and that was
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Pagano's last year.
• 57:08
  Speaker 6: Year Pegana got fired, So that's really Ballard's Ballard just
• 57:11
  Speaker 6: got hired, right, Take seventeen out.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Go to eight, twenty eighteen, ten and six, lost in
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: the divisional round twenty nineteen, seven and nine, twenty twenty
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: eleven and five, lost the wild card game twenty twenty one,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: nine and eight, twenty twenty two, four and twelve, twenty
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: twenty three, nine and eight, twenty twenty four, seven and nine.
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: So you are about five hundred.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: They're in five hundred club hundred.
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, five hundred, and they haven't won a playoff game
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: right under that them.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: They've lost both of that. They haven't won a playoff
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: game since uh since the Super Bowl. They've lost every
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: playoff game. And I take that back, Oh won a
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: playoffs right, Andrew Polers.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: But but the bottom line is they should be in trouble.
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: You know how this league is. Guys get comfortable with
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: guys and they keep them around.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: I don't think change Dyke should be wink wink.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Why he always laughs so hard.
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: Because I love seeing face.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, so, what do you think that makes you
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: laugh like crazy?
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: You say things.
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: Without saying I said, my face said nothing there I
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: was laughing.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: His poker face over me.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: Listen, he's wink winking is because the big question, and
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: let's just call it what it is. I'm not going
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: to weigh in one way or another, but all the
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: fans listening to us right now want to know what
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: is going to happen the Monday after the Gold Game
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: is shot.
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: They don't want to happen. They want to see it happen.
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: They put a banner, they paid to put a banner
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: up on a paranorm. Fair want to happen.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: My point, they want change.
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: And so well, here's how.
• 58:59
  Speaker 7: You know they want change, Tony, the fifteen thousand people
• 59:04
  Speaker 7: who were actually sitting in the seats.
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: That's how you know they want change.
• 59:08
  Speaker 7: That If I'm shot con and I'm looking at that,
• 59:12
  Speaker 7: and I'm looking at that and I say, wow, this
• 59:16
  Speaker 7: is bad. This is really bad. The interest isn't there
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: at all. There's been some bad Jaguar teams late in
• 59:24
  Speaker 7: the season where they haven't had crowds like that. And
• 59:27
  Speaker 7: I know it was raining, and god knows, I probably
• 59:30
  Speaker 7: wouldn't have gone sat through that if I was a
• 59:31
  Speaker 7: Jaguar season ticket older.
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: But come on, that's.
• 59:35
  Speaker 7: Gotta be that's gotta be a slap in the face
• 59:38
  Speaker 7: to the organization to wake up. I mean something has
• 59:41
  Speaker 7: to be done. And you understand why the fans under
• 59:43
  Speaker 7: are angry about it. They have a right to be
• 59:45
  Speaker 7: angry about it.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: The fans have every right. They paid their hard earned money.
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: What they've sent their message. Their message has been.
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: Sent, agreed, Pete, I agree with you, and and the
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: fans have We have great fans. They have every right
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: to be loud and share their opinion and be mad
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: and angry like all rightfully. So now does that mean
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: that there's going to be changed. Just because you want
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 6: something doesn't mean you always get it well.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 7: And I think that Jodd to operate like if there
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: is going to be changes, he wanted to do it
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 7: right away?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: Is he one to wait? Is he want to you know?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: Let I mean personally, if as if you were a
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 7: fan out there, you want that done as soon as
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 7: possible to can get on with it. If you're going
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 7: to do it, do it, don't wait, don't hesitate, do it.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 7: Don't come back a week from later and say, well
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 7: we made a decision, now do it right away and
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: get on with it. Whether you're going to fire, fire
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 7: the coach or that. Whatever you're going to do, keep
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 7: them whatever, just.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: Say it, just do it. The uncertainty, I think is
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: what's driving people in town crazy.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: I would imagine it's because they've been out of it
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: for so long. In this season, it's just been a
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: slow grind to the end, and that's been hanging in
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: the air the whole time.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: Jim, we just went through.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 7: We just went through the Colts records is twenty and seventeen.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: If you did it the same way, here, go through
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 7: that one and then you look at the the proof is.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: In the pudding.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that team we were ten and six.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Correct and division champs, so yep, that's right, and lost
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: in the conference championship game twenty eighteen, five and eleven,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, ten, six and ten, twenty twenty one and fifteen,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: and they ran off Moron after that. It's worse twenty
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: twenty one, three and fourteen. Of course, the irban Meyer
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: year and Bebel was the Interium twenty twenty two, nine
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: and eight rallied in December and then won a wild
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: card game. Twenty twenty three nine and eight started eight
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: and three, and then this year four and twelve.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: It's it's worse. It's worse. That body of work is worse.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: I mean, I just look, I'm not sitting here saying
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 7: this guy's to be fired of that guy should be fired.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 7: But if you put the work up and you just
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 7: say here, Sean, take a peek. Now, take a look
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 7: at these teams, and take a look at those teams,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 7: it's kind of slaps you in the face. And then
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: look at your crowd from Sunday.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's money, you know, concessions and parking
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: and money. That's money that's out the window. It's gone.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: It's never coming back. It's gone. It flew away because
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: your team is bad. It's gone. There's no that money
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: will never be made up.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 6: You said something, I want to I want to make
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 6: sure I understand what you're saying. You think you think
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: it's it's the unknown that's driving the fans.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: Crazy, Well, no, I just look at that. I don't
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: think they want they want the known. They want they
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: we know what they want. They want it, they want
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: them God.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: Based on my ex feed and what is said to
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 6: me consistently in the community, I think it's a resounding,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 6: you know, unanimous voice that want to change. And so
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: I don't think it's the unknown that is driving people crazy.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 6: I think it's the fact that we are had the
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 6: season we had. I think it also compounds over what
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: you just read through JP, and I think people are like,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: come on, this is ridiculous. And that's that's the I'm
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 6: not I'm not weighing in and giving my opinion. That's
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 6: what I hear from the fans. That's why I disagree
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 6: with you, Pete. I don't think it's the unknown. I
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 6: think it's the frustration.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: Okay, yes, you're right, they're frustrated, they're angry, and look,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: I'm not sitting here and I'm gonna because it's not
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: my decision to make and it's not me to push.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: Somebody to do it. But if I'll be honest with you,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: if I was the owner of that team, put me
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: in as the owner of that team.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: You can't afford it, No, no, I can't.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 7: But I'm gonna say I want that million dollar part
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 7: that billion dollar lottery.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: But okay, say I'm a guy that made the bumpers. Okay,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: I've made bumpers. I'm the bumper maker.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Oh do I trust those bumpers?
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm the bumper maker, so I made bumpers. What
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: I'm doing, Okay, I'm gonna be honest with you.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 7: I'm installing somebody at any VP executive vice president of
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: football operations level. Then underneath, I'm having a new general
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: manager who is going to be my football guy, and
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: he's going to hire his coach. That's what I would do,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: not based on anything other than proof is in the pudding.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 7: And I have a quarterback who's being paid two hundred
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 7: and fifty million dollars a quarter of a billion dollars,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 7: and that job of that those three men right there,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 7: their sole job is to make that guy.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: Like the Lions made Jared Off, turn.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 7: Him around, make him a star, make him a guy
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 7: you can go to.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: Super Bowls with, build it around him. That's what they
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: need to do.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Is the one voice in that scenario at the top,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: the one that talks to the owner. Only it reports
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: directly to the owner, the VP.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the VP has to report to the owner.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: And and there's a lot and talking to people more
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: and more I talk to the GGM as I do
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: talk to There's so much crap that goes on above.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: You that you probably can't focus on the football stuff
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: below you enough. And I think that's where the misses are.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 7: I think we in this league, and it's not just
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 7: in this organization. In this league, you need that guy
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 7: to handle This guy didn't get enough tickets. This guy's
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 7: you know, was out too late and got a citation
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 7: that we want nobody to find out, you know, the
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 7: business side of things dealing with this, this part of
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 7: the company. Then this guy handles all the football and
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 7: he he's a just a football grunt. He hires good scouts,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 7: he believes in him, He listens to him, he wants
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 7: to hear their debate. He doesn't get stand offish and
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 7: upset when they come back at him and say, I
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 7: don't agree with you what he does.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: When they don't.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: Agree with him, he goes back and he watches more tape,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 7: and he comes back and go, you know you're right,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 7: you jarred my memory, you jarred my mind.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: I believe in that. Now I'm gonna go back and
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: even watch more tape on him. That's what the organization
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: should be.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 7: And you hire a coach you can work with and
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 7: not have egos get in.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: The way of any of it. Eventually it will but
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: at the start it can't. It can't have egos getting
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: in the way of it.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: There you have it. We will call that keeping it
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  Speaker 3: I know there were some mistakes made, you know, in game.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: There were mistakes made by by coaches in game. You know,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: so everybody has a hand in that, and those are things.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: That we can you know, learn from and and fix
• 1:07:27
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  Speaker 3: I think, just you know, from my standpoint as the head.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: Coach, I think too, you got to keep educating your players.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: You got to keep talking to your players. You got
• 1:07:37
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• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: To put them in these situations, you got to put
• 1:07:41
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• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: you know, teach them and understand that everything that we
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: do matters.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: I think yesterday is a great example.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Of that, I said Coach Doug Peterson asked why the
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: pendulum swung the long way the last season and a half,
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• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: much better day and it didn't appear that he was
• 1:08:47
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what that guy was watching.
• 1:08:54
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• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: their position is fun and got an interesting answer. Was
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: playing fun for Tony?
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: Playing offensive lines hard. It's a tough position.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: It's unforgiving because unfortunately you're judged a lot of times
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: on not your success, but your your mistakes. So it's
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 6: not and it's it's a grind in practice. It's a
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 6: hard position to play. But the output and the result
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 6: when you win, there's not many better feelings, Like it's
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 6: a lot of fun. And when you're dominating a game
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: and you're dominating an individual and you can control what
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 6: that guy does or doesn't do, there's not many more
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 6: things that are more fun than that, like just controlling
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 6: the game and just moving the ball of wa watching
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 6: Fred Taylor, Jimmy Smith, I mean James Stewart Matron means
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: like running by you and you're like, that.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: Is so much fun.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 6: Now, the process in the middle of it, it's stressful.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: It's not always like whoo, this is like playing golf
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 6: or something.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: But I've yet to find a feeling in.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: My life.
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  Speaker 6: Of joy, excitement, competitiveness, like just adrenaline.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: Then dominating an individual and winning a football.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 6: Game and knowing that you if nobody else knows the
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 6: other five, the other four guys in the offensive line,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 6: that entire offense knows, that was the five guys up
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: front that got it done for us. Like there's just
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 6: not a better feeling, isn't that?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: But it is a thankless It really is a thankless
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 7: job because you can win, like you always say, you
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 7: can win every battle and lose one and and it
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 7: stands out and could cause a sack fumble, and then
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 7: everybody plays you, and it's it's it's it's such a
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 7: hard position to play because you gotta be you're waiting.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: For this fast athletic guy.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 7: To come at you while you're trying to keep him
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 7: from going around you or through you. I mean, it's
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 7: brutal and it's thankless, and it's tough, and it's the
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 7: hardest job.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: The master I think in the.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 7: NFL, and and there's it's so hard to find him.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: So I usually line stick.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 6: Like I think back on my career from SC through
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 6: the Jaguars, there were many a time I played a
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: game and like Pete said, I have one or two
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 6: bad plays would win the game. I'd be excited we won,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: it was great. I would lay in bed and all I.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: Could think about was the two plays. That's not fun.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 7: The winning, if anything, is never That feeling of winning
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 7: at anything is never as bad as the losing feeling.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 7: The music feeling is much worse than the winning feeling
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 7: is good.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: Like I probably hated losing more than I loved winning.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: I hated losing.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: Well, you grew You grew up in a competitive environment,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 7: like like I did. I mean, we competed over who
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 7: changed the channel, right, you know, so you grow up
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 7: competing that way.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: It's different.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So like, yeah, I love what I did. I
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: miss it. I mean, Pete knows this.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: We've talked about this, Like I still go smell the
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: grass before the game, and like that feeling of what
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 6: like the thought of the anxiety and the nerves of
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 6: going out in a big game and knowing like it's
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: just like I missed that, and the like walking off
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 6: after you've dominated somebody and you win, Oh my gosh,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 6: there's like the feeling is like tremendous because you because
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: this is the other thing about this position, not just what.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: You do it's what you do as a group. Like
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: it is like the ultimate team, Football's ultimate team sport,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: and offensive line is like the ultimate team position because
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: you're nobody.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah right, nobody else does what they do. If you
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: don't do what.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: You do, everyone's dependent on us, right, And I just
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 6: and so yeah, but it's all fun practice. Like you
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 6: talk about picking a position, that is the worst position
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: to practice.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: Non demand kind it's awful. Offensive line, it's awful, like
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: the drills. You're it's like torture.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: You're just hitting each other all day long like that
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: and JP, Yeah, but you know what I mean, Yeah,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: it's always fash.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 6: If they gave me a pill right now that can
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: reverse like the injuries and and just said, listen, this
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 6: might take a couple of years off your life.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: But you're gonna be able to go play one more season.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: Sign me up. I'm him.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's poor.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: There's nothing better.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: I love the game before and that's why I mean,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 6: I love the organization, I love the game. I love
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: like so I guess with the question back to the
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: question is it fun. I don't know if it's fun
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 6: or not, but do I love it absolutely?
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: By the way, Pete, did you notice that? And I
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: just noticed this. When we have the two shot of
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: you and Tony up there, he moved his bust behind
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: him to hip fit the shot. This week it was
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: further left or not it was on an angle, it
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: was further left. It was further left.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: I have not touched that bust in a year. It
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: has been the same position for one year.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: It has not been taught that you've moved a camera
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: or your desk.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's much more prominently featured than it was a week.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Correct. Correct, watch the tape if.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: You watch it. And by the way, what is that
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 5: like an imitation of the one that can'ton?
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: Do?
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: They do give you a second one? They give you
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 5: a second one.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 6: So the one in Canton is bronze, and this is
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 6: the heart the clay that they harden. So they so
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 6: they make the originals the bronze that stays in the
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 6: in the UH obviously in the.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, in the UH, in the bust room. Uh,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: this is the exact same looks the same, same exact bust,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: just different. Uh. It's not finished with bronze. It's just
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: the clay, hard clay. You know.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: One thing I not not pointing out yours.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 7: But those busts usually don't look like the gods.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: Mine like it doesn't.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 6: I mean, I'm obviously a lot skinnier aged because the
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 6: way they.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: Do it, which I love.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 6: They asked you what picture, which version of you from
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 6: what era when you played? Do they want the bust up?
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 6: So I picked I think it was like year three.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: I think there's a picture they gave me, and I
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: picked one.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 5: You know, I did something that I told you that.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 7: I think I told you I did the best Italians
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: of all time, and they wanted me to get a
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 7: picture and it was me and you standing there at
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 7: the bus.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: Remember those pictures you took. We were both larger at
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 5: that time.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: Yes, I mean, good, good segue before we're gonna break,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 6: And we didn't answer for many questions. Maybe we should
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 6: come back and answer more questions next segment. But whatever,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 6: Freddie t uh Pete finalists again.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: He has a chance.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, only running back as a finalist.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: I think he has a real chance. He deserves to
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: be in the Hall of Fame. And I was talking
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: to someone, Pete, I love your take on this because
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: Eli Manning's up for the Hall of Fame, obviously arguably
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: one of the greatest playoff Super Bowl quarterbacks ever.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 6: And I'm not like I don't I don't weigh in
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 6: on whether guys I think guys should be in or not.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 6: It's not my position. Eli Manning amazing player.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: But like the big knock against Fred has always been
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: only one Pro Bowl? Was never all pro blah blah
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah. How many all Pro teams was
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: Eli Manning on it?
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: Le'd be zero?
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 7: Right, But Fred's different because and that's even worse for
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 7: Eli Manning because he played in New York.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 11: But my pet my point is, Pete is if if
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 11: Eli Manning and everyone I've talked to believes that Eli
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 11: Manning will be in the Hall of Fame, whether it's
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 11: the first ballot or not, I have no idea.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would agree with you, Eli Manning's going
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: to be.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 6: In the Hall of Fame, right, But don't tell me
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 6: Fred Taylor is not a Hall of Fame player, because
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 6: if Pro Bowls are all pros selections, you have to
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: look at the market, Go turn on the tape, go
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 6: look at the yards with carry, go actually study his career.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: Don't tell me his touchdowns are low.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 6: Why because Tom Coughlin took him out on the goal line.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 6: He had sixteen touchdowns when he was our only back
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 6: as a rookie. Because James Stewart got hurt. If Fred Taylor,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 6: who did all the work to get us down there,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 6: what had been kept in But what happened is when
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: James came back, James was our short yard is cool lineback?
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: So FREDI James had five in one game, five against Philly, Right.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, here's the thing, Fred, this is the best chance.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 7: I think that of all the times Fresben up for
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 7: him to get in the class isn't great. And don't
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 7: get me wrong, I think he should be in automatically.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: You know that.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 7: You know how I feel about him. But this class
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 7: isn't isn't great. So I think he has a real shot.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: And by the way that I.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: Disagree, I agree with you. He has a real shot.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: I think he has a great chance to get in.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: I always I always laugh when people say this is
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: not a great class, Like what do you mean not
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: big names?
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: Like you're telling me that big games. But for example, okay,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: Suggs great, Okay, there's three sun devils. By the way,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: on that on that finalist list.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 7: But as great as he was, he wasn't as good
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 7: at his position as Fred Taylor wasn't his.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: I would agree with you.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: Right, That's that's all I judge him.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 6: But Threll Suggs played in Baltimore all time defenses, you know,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 6: I mean not he wasn't on the early great deal.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: But the Ravens always have good defenses. He was part
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: of it. Defensive Rookie of the Year, defensive Player of
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: the year, dominant defensive end.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 7: The res each other will eat each other up, so
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 7: they're not only one of those will go in. I
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 7: don't know how he didn't get I don't know how
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 7: he didn't get in last year. He should win the game, right,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 7: he should have been in right away.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: But he'll get it. He'll be one of them. Then
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: you got to look at like, what do you do
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: with Keikley.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: Short shorter career, right, yeah, but.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: But Tony had a short career and he got and
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: if you're great, you're great. Willis Well doesn't have to wait.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: I hope Luke doesn't have to be a finalist six times.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 7: No, we know how that game plays out, but I
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 7: think this is a great chance for Fred and Fred Taylor.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 6: Listen, I'm just gonna say it, and I could say
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: he's a Hall of Famer.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, he is, no doubt. I wrote a nice
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: letter to you know, a bunch of voters that last year,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: and I sent it back out to him. They that
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 5: that I think, don't know how great he was with
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: all the stats and data and everything else. But more
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: than that, go talk to the players and go watch
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: the get tape. That's all you need to do.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: And I'll give you more.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 6: Go talk to the coaches, called Bill Cower who had
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 6: to play him twice a year, and ask Bill Cower
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 6: what he thought about Fred Taylor.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: Go call Tony Dungee and ask him what he thought
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: about Fred Taylor.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, you're right.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 7: And that's like, I'll give you a Tiki Barber was
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 7: in that room. They were against each other for a while,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 7: and the New York Block people were always, oh, Tiki
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 7: Tiki over Fred Taylor. I go, really go deviately asked
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 7: Tom Coughlin who he thought was better, not the slight Tiky.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 5: But if you asked Tom, it's not even come on.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: Give me a break, by the way, and final thought
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: on this, we got to take a time out. The
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: only two players above Fred Taylor in career yardage not
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: in the Hall yet Frank Gore and Adrian Peterson, and
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: they'll be eligible soon so the time.
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  Speaker 7: Peterson will be in automatically and Frank Gorer will get in.
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  Speaker 5: But Fred Taylor was a better back than Frank.
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  Speaker 6: Here's me listen. I'll taking nothing from Frank Gore at all.
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  Speaker 6: Amazing career, what he did amazing. If you asked thirty
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  Speaker 6: two GMS, if you had to choose one back over
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  Speaker 6: a five year period to be your belle cow back,
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  Speaker 6: Frank Gore or Fred.
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  Speaker 3: Taylor, who are you taking to take Fred Taylor? I
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: think they all take Fred Taylor.
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  Speaker 6: And that's not a slide against Frank Gore. Frank Gore did.
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  Speaker 6: He's one of the all time great players in this league.
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  Speaker 6: And I loved how he played the game, his physicality,
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  Speaker 6: He is a grinder, he was awesome. Nothing against him.
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  Speaker 6: I'm just making a pitch for my good friend and
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  Speaker 6: teammate who deserves being the damn Hall of Fame. And
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 6: he is a He is a heck of a player.
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  Speaker 6: He did things I've never seen on the football field before,
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  Speaker 6: Like it's unreal at two hundred and thirty pounds, running
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  Speaker 6: four two nine and making cuts in the line of
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  Speaker 6: scrimmage that had no business being made by a man
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  Speaker 6: that size.
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  Speaker 3: Give me a break. The guy is amazing, and I
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: hope he's there, and I hope more than I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to say more than anything.
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  Speaker 6: I got a lot of hopes, but right at the
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  Speaker 6: top of the list is that next August, the first
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  Speaker 6: weekend in August, then I'll be celebrating Fred Taylor because
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  Speaker 6: he goes into the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 3: That's my home me too.
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  Speaker 1: Pete Prisco, Tony Vasselli. After Jags win Week seventeen, four
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  Speaker 1: and twelve, record on to Indianapolis, the Jaguars and the
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  Speaker 1: Colts this coming Sunday at one o'clock. That's what happens
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: when both teams are out of the race. And last
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: week at the season, the scheduling puts the Jaguars early
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  Speaker 1: one o'clock Sunday and get him out of the way.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go around the National Football League and a lengthy
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: week seventeen. It started on Christmas Day Wednesday in Pittsburgh,
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  Speaker 1: where the Chiefs knocked off the Steelers twenty nine to ten.
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  Speaker 1: Russell Wilson didn't look great that day. Travis Kelce got
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: his touchdown to surpassed Tony Gonzalez, and the Chiefs just
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: keep on rolling. They are the number one seed in
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  Speaker 1: the AFC pete.
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  Speaker 7: And you know what, they're getting right at the right time.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, they get hollywod with brown back.
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  Speaker 5: He helps open up Worthy, Worthy helps open up the
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  Speaker 5: other guys, Kelsey and Hopkins because they're not guys we
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  Speaker 5: can run. And Toney moving from left guard to left
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  Speaker 5: tackle has been big for them. And so I think
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  Speaker 5: they're getting right at.
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  Speaker 7: The right time. They're gonna rest guys this week. Here's
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  Speaker 7: the other thing, though, Tony, you know they don't want
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 7: Joe Burrow in the in the Bengals in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 7: so if they if the Broncos win, the Broncos get in,
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  Speaker 7: So they're resting guys anyways.
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  Speaker 6: They're gonna rest in anyways, I think they'll go give
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  Speaker 6: a great effort. I still think they can beat the
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 6: Broncos with Carson Wentz just because I agree. I agree,
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  Speaker 6: you only can rest so many guys. You only have,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 6: you know, fifty three the roster. So you know we're
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  Speaker 6: gonna have a lot of starters out there now. Mahomes
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  Speaker 6: and Kelsey and some of those guys obviously gonna.
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  Speaker 5: Play because he's been hurt to check out, but probably
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 5: won't play. But yeah, you're right. You gotta play guys.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta play guys.
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  Speaker 6: And I mean, listen, AFC goes through Kansas City. They're
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  Speaker 6: the best team, and I mean stepping back and looking
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  Speaker 6: at I think the only I mean, listen, the Ravens
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  Speaker 6: could win. They're playing out of their minds right now
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  Speaker 6: and they've gotten right on defense. The Texans have no chance,
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  Speaker 6: the Steelers have no chance. I don't think the Chargers
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  Speaker 6: have any chance, and the Broncos have no chance. If
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  Speaker 6: the Dolphins getting in, I don't think they have a chance.
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  Speaker 6: The Bengals could get because of Joe Burrow. Reality is,
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  Speaker 6: I think it's down to three teams in the NFC.
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  Speaker 6: It's going to be Kansas City, Buffalo, or the Ravens.
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  Speaker 6: And I think Buffalo is the best chance to go
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  Speaker 6: beat Kansas City in Kansas City.
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  Speaker 7: And if you're looking for the long shot team of
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  Speaker 7: the ones you mentioned that if the Bengals don't get in,
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  Speaker 7: it would be the Chargers.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think they I don't think they can be
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  Speaker 6: I don't think. I don't even they're ready to beat No.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, there's always a surpride. I mean, you
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  Speaker 5: guys were once a surprise team. There's always a surprise
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  Speaker 5: team in the postseason.
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  Speaker 6: And to your point, the way the way Jim Harball
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  Speaker 6: plays and the way he coaches, the physicality and the
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  Speaker 6: mentality that group has, I just think.
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  Speaker 3: They're a year away from beefing up that defense.
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  Speaker 7: I'm with you, I don't think but of the Steelers,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 7: the Broncos, the Dolphins, and the Texans, you would take
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  Speaker 7: the Chargers over those teams.
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  Speaker 3: Without a doubt, without a doubt. Yeah, yeah, but I
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  Speaker 3: mean I think, I mean my guess is it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be Buffalo.
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  Speaker 5: Camps, Buffalo Baltimore at Kansas City.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's Buffalo.
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  Speaker 5: I do too. I think I think he's he's on
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  Speaker 5: he's on a mission.
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  Speaker 3: He's on a heater right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it certainly is Ravens over the Texans on Christmas
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  Speaker 1: Day later in the day thirty one to two the finals.
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  Speaker 5: Texans are very good right now and the quarterbacks struggling
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 5: and the offensive line is struggling. This is not a
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: good team right now.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: They said they're playing guys because they need to play
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  Speaker 1: better this week.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to discount the Ravens.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I said the but I think
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 6: the Ravens are rounding in the in the forum right now.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 6: And they moved Kyle Hamilton back to free safety a
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 6: number of weeks ago. In that defense is night and
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: day difference. He's a really good player, and Lamar Jackson
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 6: is the scariest human on the planet when it comes
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 6: to being on a football field. And if they get
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 6: hot and he's playing hot football, they could go beat
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 6: Kansadity and they might.
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  Speaker 5: Be his playoff past for you.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it does, yea.
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  Speaker 1: And with a win on Saturday, they would secure the
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: division title in the AFC North the Baltimore Ravens.
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  Speaker 6: Or don't you think because Lamar is such a good
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 6: player and he very well, he very may.
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  Speaker 3: Well win the MVP again this year.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 7: He's just I mean, what he does, it's amazing, amazing,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 7: it's amazing.
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  Speaker 5: You're going to give him the MVP. You got an
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: MVP candidate in his backfield too.
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  Speaker 6: I agree, And I think the addition of Derrick Henry
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 6: to that team, and I just think at some point
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson's gonna is going to continue the hot play
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 6: as in the regular season to the playoffs. He has
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 6: not done it yet, but at some point he's going to.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 6: He's too good of a player, right, And I think
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 6: he's going to get to a super Bowl at least
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 6: one and have a chance to win it.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: And maybe this is the year.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: Do they rush the passer well enough? That's the concern
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: there with them.
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  Speaker 1: Thursday, Seahawks over the Bears six to three, Barnburger.
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  Speaker 5: Yea, the Als are eliminated. They're done. They folded down
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: the stretch.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. Saturday, three games, Chargers blasted the Patriots
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  Speaker 1: forty to seven, and the Bengals Broncos isd MAO, gonna
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: get fired.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: No, he's not. The Bagels. They have the number one
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 5: overall pick now.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: Right they do right now?
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: Absolutely leverage baby.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: The Bengals over the Broncos thirty to twenty four, wild one.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 5: And then that was that was a fun game.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, great game. And I give Sean Payton a ton
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 6: of credit. They're a year ahead. What he's doing with
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 6: that handicapped salary cap that he has hanged around is
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 6: not handicapped, but that big weight hanging around his neck albatross.
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  Speaker 3: Yep. I mean they've done a great job. They're a
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: fun team.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 7: He's done a great job with the quarterback because the
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 7: quarterback he leaves a lot of clean pockets and he
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 7: makes me go outside the pocket, but he leaves a
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 7: lot of clean ones.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: But I don't think they're gonna do much in the
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 6: in the playoffs if they do get there.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: But Sean Payton's hell of a job.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 7: But you know, funny though Tony, you watch their team
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 7: play because they get so many sacks.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: That team gets.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 7: Zach Allen was there for whoever wanted them. He gets
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 7: interior pressure all the time.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 6: I mean, what do you think about would you have
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 6: gone for two at the end of the game they're
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 6: try to win it.
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  Speaker 7: No, because he if he gets a tie, he's in
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah tis good ie.
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  Speaker 5: No, I would not have I would have kicked yeah.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: Rams with the Cardinals thirteen to nine.
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  Speaker 7: They haven't looked right by the way last three games,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 7: not scoring for you know what, it's starting to show
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 7: up with the Rams.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: They don't have guys who can run. They're not fast.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 7: And you know how people as good as Pooka Nakua
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 7: and Cooper Cup doesn't look like the same guy last week.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 7: As good as they are, you got to have somebody
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 7: that can scare you down the field or else they
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 7: start sitting on everything.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: It's gonna be a problem for you.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 6: What give less need credit because what they've done on
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 6: that defense they got four pass rushers were young and good.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: And young secondary players too.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: Yep, let's get through the rest of the games. Raiders
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: over the Saints, who cares? Giants over the Colts forty
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: five thirty three? Wild when theyre with the Giants losing
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: the number one pick. The Eagles over the Cowboys forty
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: one to three. Would you play sekuon to get the record,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: one hundred and one yards away from the single season record.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: No, I would not total. What's the point.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think I would either.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 7: Because Okay and I had this debate with my guys
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 7: the other day. I was saying, I'm sitting Lane Johnson
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 7: and my lotta aren't playing. Why would Lane Johnson if
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 7: you lose him, your team's in May. You've seen their
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 7: numbers go down when he's not in the lineup. I'm
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 7: not playing him, So I'm not playing Barkley. I'm not
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 7: playing Hurts. I'm not playing them.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: They could have gone for the record this week. They
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: pulled him out.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: Hey a Pete, what if Barkley, Lane Johnson, and Malatta
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: all came to you, as the head coach says we
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: want to play, we want to go get the record.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 7: I probably still not play him. I mean, if Barkley
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 7: goes down, that changes the whole dynamic of that team.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 7: You're you know, record, super Bowls are what you're playing for.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 7: You want the accolades. But you went for over two thousand.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 7: That's a great season in itself. Is breaking the record
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 7: and make it that much greater?
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 5: It doesn't.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 7: I mean, Okay, may be the record holder, but big deal.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 7: Plus you're not doing it. You know, you look at
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 7: some of those guys who had over two thousand yards.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: Oh j did it fourteen ze fourteen games.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 6: You know, would be an interesting question for Eric Dickerson
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 6: when he traded the rush all time rushing title, single
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 6: season rushing title for a Super Bowl.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: I bet he'd say yes.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: I bet he would Bucks over the Panthers forty eight
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: to fourteen. The Dolphins beat the Browns twenty to three,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: Vikings over the Packers twenty seven to twenty five, and
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: then boy, last night's game, Commanders over time over the
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: Falcons thirty to twenty four. Jayden Daniels is an incredible
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: watch on television. He's fantastic, He's great.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 7: He's everything I thought he would be and more. Yeah,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 7: like I've said, I think he's the most improved player
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 7: I've ever seen in my life in terms of the
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 7: scouting process starting and where he is now. Because when
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 7: he was at ASU, he was as average as they come. Average,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 7: got better worked at it, and you'd all talk about
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 7: first one in and last one out.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 5: That's what he was at.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 7: LSU and that's why neighbors was that at LSU and
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 7: that's why Brian Thomas became that at LSU, and so,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 7: I look, I love everything he's done. They're dangerous because
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 7: of him. They'll be dangerous in the postseason because of him.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: And let me tell you what, dan Quin's a hell
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: of a coach. He's proving he.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 5: Just gets it. He just gets it.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: He did it in Atlanta, had all kinds of success,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 6: should have won a Super Bowl if he would have
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 6: just took three knees, you just run the clock.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: That was Yeah.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 7: I've argued that with Mike McDaniel back in the day
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 7: about it too.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 6: And and the obviously great defensive coordinator proved that Dallas
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 6: and he gets to the Commanders and year one with
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 6: a rookie quarterback during the playoffs and tell me the
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 6: last time, I can't remember, it's been a while that
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 6: are that FedEx Field or whatever it's called now was
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 6: packed to the brim with the place just rocking.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's amazing.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: It was amazing.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 6: And kudos to obviously, you know, the whole Horde is,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 6: but you gotta give a lot of credit to dan
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 6: Quinn what he's done.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 5: And by the way, Michael Pennack, if you're the Falcons.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: You come out of that game thinking because that's his
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: first road start, and you're sitting there thinking, Okay, I
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 5: got my guy.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's come back in a moment. Our Final thoughts
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: will take a look at Week eighteen and we'll wrap
• 1:34:18
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  Speaker 1: Week seventeen. It's Monday Night Football. The third T two
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Detroit Lions have a huge division title matchup and battle
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: for the number one seed next week against Minnesota. This
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: week they're in Santa Clara against the six and nine
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: forty nine ers. Who you got?
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 7: The forty nine ers are down the two their first
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 7: team left tackle, Trent Williams their second team left tackle.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: They got a guy signed off the practice squad, and.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 7: I think it's in fact, I think it might be
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 7: Andy Heck's son, and so the right tackles out. I
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 7: still I'll take the Niners.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 5: I'll think they're so surprise in this game. I'll what
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 5: are the Lions really playing for?
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 6: Dan and Campbell said they're playing to win, and I
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 6: think they go out and play to win. I think
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 6: they I think they play all their starters, maybe rest
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 6: guys late if it gets on a hand either way.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 6: But I think I think the Lions win. But the
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 6: real game what matters is next week. I'm glad we're
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 6: playing at one pm JP, so I think we'll get
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 6: home in time to at least see the last three quarters.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: Of that game.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's the last game of the regular season.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 5: The you know what the real game is is Wednesday.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm worried. I'm worried about that game. You
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: know why, Tony, they're big, Texas, they're big.
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  Speaker 1: Are you gonna go up to Atlanta?
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  Speaker 5: Pete, I'm going You're.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna be there the whole deal.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be there all right, sitting in the press.
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  Speaker 5: No, I got seats.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, get your palm poms ready, that's what you're going.
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  Speaker 5: I am, I am, Me and my wife are going.
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  Speaker 5: It's gonna be fun.
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  Speaker 3: That's awesome for you.
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  Speaker 1: What was the last time you actually went to a
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: football game as a fan?
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  Speaker 7: I saw ASU play at Georgia years ago in the rain.
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  Speaker 5: It was miserable. It was raining the whole game, and
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: they were it was actually close. It was when I was.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 7: Going to games, and I got up the next morning
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  Speaker 7: and made it to Cincinnati for one pm kick.
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  Speaker 5: If you can believe that. I said to myself, like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: I'll never do that again. Yeah I did. It's funny
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  Speaker 5: because I'm there. What Georgia? It was that Georgia. Then
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna be in Georgia for this one. Then I'll
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 5: be back in Georgia for the National Championship.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this guy be Frisco, confident as always, Tony Vasselli.
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  Speaker 5: I'm j P.
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  Speaker 1: Shadwick. Thanks to Joe Fortunado, Brent Reever, David Choe, Brooke Hoffee,
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  Speaker 1: our entire crew. Thanks for listening. It's Shaguars Happy Hour
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