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One Piece 404 & 405 · Spoil Me! One Piece

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This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is Spoiled Me, covering one piece
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episodes four oh four and four oh five, Admiral Kirazu's fierce assault, the
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straw Hats, face certain death and eliminated friends, the final day of the
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Straw Hat Crew. In these episodes, we have got a bunch of disappearances,
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losses, and a truly devastated Lufy that was like really hard to watch.
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Welcome to spoil Me, Welcome to the show. Everyone. I am
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Natasha and I'm Shane A everybody. Shane aka Kryptos is here with me today
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for I want to be And I have to begin with the obligatory question why
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this episode for I want to be sure? So this is probably my favorite
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arc of the whole series up to this point, and it's just it's one
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of those things where it's like I didn't have that much reading experience when I
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like got to this part of the story, but it was just like I've
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never had a series or anything do exactly what this did break both my heart
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and my expectations for the story in such a dramatic way that that is just
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like literally anything can happen now, and uh, and so it's just it's
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just such a like you know. And then also you know, the story
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has has always been like political, but like this kind of you know,
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this this arc with the whole like slave trade thing and the celestial dragon there
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that it really it really amps up the political commentary on certain things, which
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I always love to get into. Uh. And so yeah, it's just
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like my favorite arc and this is this was a great you know, it's
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it's an emotional moment this this last episode you know, leading into the you
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know what's going to happen next, and so yeah, it's just a great
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moment. Yeah. So I mean I I of course want to talk about
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like the end, but can we like how do you want to proceed?
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Sure? So you know, obviously it is not the case that everybody is
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now dead and the straw hats are on and you know the next six hundred
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episodes are going to be about you know, some some other characters and you
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know, but but it's more like, you know, what do you first,
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what do you think the possibilities are of what happened to them? Or
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you know, anything along those lines. Yeah, so I said something when
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we saw Pirona get disappeared, as I'm going to call it, and he
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asks the same question, like, if you could go on vacation anywhere,
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where would you pick? She names a very like specific castle, dope ass
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situation, and then he disappears her. But then we don't see, like
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what happened there? She's just gone. As Nami says it, I never
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saw her again, which sounds pretty dramatic, and it is true. Yeah,
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I want to believe that he sends them to their preferred vacation destination.
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How would that work? I have no fucking clue, no idea, Like
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I would normally make a guess about how it's like a mental trip, but
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they are clearly physically gone, right, And how can he do that?
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Like does he send them to an actual place? Does he make them a
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little a little bubble where they can just be like in their ideal circumstances for
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a temporary time, like a solitary confinement, but like ideal, Yeah,
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does he because he's like he asks that question from Zoro, but he doesn't
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ask it from anybody else, And I don't think Zoro answers him. I'm
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pretty kind of like, yeah, what are you talking about? Excuse him?
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A look in his like, shit, this is the real one.
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And I don't know if he needs a reply to like choose where to send
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them. If he doesn't get a reply, does he tend to send everybody
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to the wrong place? Like if I'm operating under this assumption, there keeps
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being the references to the bubbles, And I can't tell if that's like a
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purposeful because they're put into bubbles like a very literal sort of nod, or
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if it's just supposed to be like the symbolic bubbles popping because our friends are
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disappearing, you know, certainly meant to be uh that second one. But
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man, yeah, we definitely do not know how how Kuma's power works.
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Yeah, the motivation is kind of like the key thing here that we don't
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know. It's just you know, like they they probably would have been captured
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and or killed, you know, had had he not done that. And
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so what what is the alternative to that that Kima wants and why does he
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want that? And what did he whisper to Rayley? And you know,
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it's like, oh god, it could be anything. If you got asked
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this question, where would you pick to go? Like if you just yeah,
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oh yeah, like not like in a real life context or a one
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piece world context. Ah, that's a good question. Yeah, give me
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both. Yeah, just teleporting somewhere, uh, wouldn't really get me that
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much. I rl you know, if it's more about like if you could
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relocate somewhere where it would be it'd be like somewhere like New Zealand or Chile,
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you know, somewhere not somewhere that none of the major powers have any
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beef with and is slightly isolated and relatively stable economy on one piece world.
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Uh, it's a it's a it's a place that I can't tell you about
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yet. But Water, Yeah, that's true. Water seven would be the
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one of the ones you've seen that would probably like to just go around and
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hang out the most. That makes sense. Yeah, I didn't really think
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about that. If I choose one piece that there's probably places that are like
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ideal that we haven't even approached yet, some wild locations I'll tell you I'm
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really excited about. I mean, having seen been to this Bubble Island,
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I just what else is in the store. If I were going to choose
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a place to hang out, I think I might it's sort of I am
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a person of extremes a lot of the time. So I would either want
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the like beach hangout of Nami's Island like the Chill, or I would want
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to go to Choppers where it's snow all the time and just hide in a
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cabin and have a crackling fire and drink cocoa and read books. Yea,
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and in the real world pretty much the same, Either of those two things
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would work for me. But this, like, I really like the fact
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that when Pirona is asked, she gives him a real answer. She takes
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it kind of seriously. But I understand why anybody else who gets asked might
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not say, give him a straight answer, because, like, it's a
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very strange fucking question to be asked in the middle of what seems to be
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a flat out brawl, and you don't exactly want to get like, you
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know, vulnerable with the guy who is about to potentially erase you from existence.
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But Peronas thought about this a lot, and she's very passionate about what
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she wants. I love her whole I really do hope that we see her
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again because her entire vibe is just so great. So the alternative to them
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being sent to somewhere like and the only reason that I would say that I'm
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pretty fixed on him sending them somewhere is because he can teleport himself. It
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seems like so because he can, you know, just suddenly be right in
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front of you out of nowhere. So I'm hoping that what he's doing is
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moving to an actual space. But if not, can he be like storing
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them somewhere in his weird like shrinking them and making them hang out in some
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weird little, I don't know, prepared space like a lunchbox in his armor,
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you know, just like none of his other powers seem to be related
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to paw shaped bubbles, so it's like he could really do anything with it.
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Yeah, sure that whatever. I also really like if and granted I'm
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sort of acting like if you if you ask a question and you don't give
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him an answer, then he will automatically send you to the default place,
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which I don't know if that's at all anything, but all of our friends
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who get teleported away this episode, if that's when I'm calling it, I
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really want them to wind up together wherever they go. I'm like, I
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know that that's kind of a lot to ask, but as much as it
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seems to me to make more sense probably to be putting them in individual spaces
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just because of the bubble thing. If that isn't the case, I would
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like for them to be with their friends and not completely freaking out because at
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least they know they're with their own people. Which is the tragedy of Lufy
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being the only one that doesn't get tapped over there. You know, I
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just guys, I really don't like this. It's very upsetting overall. I
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know, as Shane has said, everybody's not dead. I don't even think
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Lufy believes they're dead. I don't think he even thinks that necessarily. But
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they have been completely removed from the equation for the moment in a way that
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they did not consent to and don't understand. And it's just as each person
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one by one gets tapped, the desperation in Lufy and the way that they
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each try to get away, but this guy moves through space in such a
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manner that you cannot just run. It doesn't matter. There was something just
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so inevitable about how this went down, and it made me feel really bad
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for Lufy, it really did. I just hated having where we end up
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at the end where he is just like saying, I didn't do anything.
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I couldn't stop him. You know, how could I? That broke my
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heart y'all. He's like convulsing. It's such a build up too, because
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like at the like Andy's lobby, like when he pulls out gear second,
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he's like, you know, I realized, like during this fight. It's
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just like I'm really going to have to be able to step that up,
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you know, if I'm going to make sure that I can always protect my
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friend. And and then you get the thriller bark and Maria at one point
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says, you're really not ready for the New World, and you know,
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and but the whole time, you know, it's one piece. It's just
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you know, things are going to be great and we're going to have a
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happy, fun adventure and then nope, turns out the straw Hats are are
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not ready for for the New World. And uh, you know, Lucy,
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yeah, I imagine Lufi probably doesn't think they're dead. But it's just
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like, you know, it's still running through his minds, like we could
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be like separated forever. I can't be there. If we are separated,
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then I can't be there. To protect any of them. Yeah so,
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and even if they are like even if he sees them again in just a
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second they're around the corner. The knowledge that somebody was able to absolutely take
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matters out of your hands so entirely that anything you tried to do to resist
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them was pointless and doomed to fail. That is a very sobering thought.
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Like I feel like Lufy has had an attitude of no matter what, will
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face it together, we can always do something. And it seems like this
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is the first time we have had a real, oh it's no contest sort
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of situation. You know, there have been a plenty of times where it
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seemed like they are outmatched, but they've been able to fight up to a
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point and it will grind to a halt and our friend will be hurt or
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you know, things will be at a really like difficult impasse. But it's
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always felt like there was something we could do, and this is the first
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time that it has really seemed like not really, you know, like what
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he is here to do is gonna get done, and you are just like
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objects in a China cabinet that he's rearranging where he wants them to be,
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and you don't get any say in it, you know, you guys,
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fum me out it did all right? Shall we begin at the beginning?
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Sure, yea with Beppo. Oh, guys, Beppo is I think Beppo
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is the same voice actor as the one doing Kirazo. I'm not positive about
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that, but I think it's the same guy, and he's just doing like
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a different like vibe to his voice. He sounded sort of familiar when he
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goes down and he's like, oh, okay, I guess I'll just stay
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down. There was something very familiar sounding about him. But heah, he
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is doing his like wonderful posturing in the sort of battle cry. And then
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he goes up and this is against the real Kuma. I think? Is
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he against the real Kuma? Yeah, because he's got like the little well,
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no, this is the fake one. Huh. Yeah, they all
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have, all three of them have a fake one they're they're facing, and
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then the real one shows up with the Bible, right, okay, so
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he gets like slapped down. It's so again it just feels like there's no
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contest here at all. And then we have each of the different captains who
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are chiming in with their own like brand of attack. So Captain Kidd has
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his weird giant metal arms from attracting metal to himself. I'm assuming his whole
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thing is like an actual magnet power, because I think I had been saying
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at one point that it seemed like he just attracted objects to him, and
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I didn't quite collock the fact that it's all metal objects that he's attracting.
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So I don't know why I didn't notice that. Butther and this robot Kuma,
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you know, does the whole every time that he opens his mouth and
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does that like light sort of concentrating thing. Yeah. Do you remember Independence
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Day and the like blue laser that came out of the That is what I
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keep thinking of every time is all the people who are like dancing on the
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top of the building to welcome the aliens with their big signs, and they
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look up and they see this like gathering of light. It's beautiful, and
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then you just see the entire building get zapped. Yeah, so he zapps
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Kid and all of there's like a lot of room between everybody. So from
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Afar, a lot the other captains are sort of observing this and trying to
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get a handle I think on what they can expect from Kuma, and Kid
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is pretty effective, I would say, despite the fact that he doesn't do
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what he thought he would do, it's not like it doesn't do anything.
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I mean, I'm giving him some credit here because a lot of these attacks
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have been cut off, like Beppo, but is it Bepo? They get
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that right. He just literally puts up a hand and it's like not now
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like a three year old that you're just trying to keep away from a hostove
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like there's no effort to it, nothing. But with Kid, when he
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attacks, this bot goes down for a minute, and it seems like maybe
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that's had more of an effect, at least than I was sort of expecting,
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because I thought that this thing was just going to be able to resist
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with no issue. But he does stand back up again. It isn't like
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it's you know, it's he brought the bot down for long enough that I
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personally think if the other captains had jumped in at that point, maybe something
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more could have been done. There's there's a lot of that, and like
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this an anime in general, where it's just like all right, they're down,
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now go kill them, and everybody just stands around staring yeah, like
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they're asking each other. Is that really all it took to take him down?
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Well, if you're not sure, guy carrying a giant sword, I
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have a suggestion. Maybe don't chill on the sidelines sipping a drink and conversing.
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Get in there. Allegedly you're a badass, but you're just out here
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all right? Sure, fine and granted. Like after he attempts another attack,
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that dude does have does pop up with the sword, but he waits
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until this dude has stood up again instead of just jumping in while the guy
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is down, and Kid is like, I didn't ask for your help,
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And I'm like, dude, you this is just something I will never understand.
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I am not the type to being like I could have handled it.
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You are in front of an audience, sir, and they all saw you
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almost get melted by whatever the fuck that beam was. I know that you
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think that you're saving face, but you really are just coming across it's like
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very petulant and childish. I want to like Kid a little bit. I'm
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having a hard time. Maybe it'll get easier. I uh, what's the
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name of I keep forgetting it's law. The other one of those three law.
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Right, Yeah, he's the one with the sword, and he jumps
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in and is like, do you think you'd be able to take down a
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real war lord that easily? So he knows that this thing isn't the deal
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because it's a kid. Is surprised by the fact that it's a robot.
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And I think, maybe, I don't know if this is like the assumption
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that I would make or not. But if I had never dealt with a
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warlord and I took one down and I saw that it was a robot,
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I think that I would assume all the warlords were robots. Ah, you
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know what I mean, I could I could see uh coming to that conclusion.
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Now, you know, if he he never we don't know if he
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ever faced a warlord before. But you know, it also ends but so
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he doesn't have like and this is where you know the dreaded powers scaling as
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some people hate to call it. You know, clearly these robot versions aren't
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aren't as strong as the real one. So it's like, you know,
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law Law coming in with that, It's like, oh, well, if
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it's if it's dead this easily, then there's no way. Why do you
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say that? Some people hate to call it that. Oh so it's like,
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uh, some people hate the topic as a as a form of discussion
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at all. There are some people who really like to argue, like would
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this character beat this character one v one? You know, gotcha? And
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like there's a really kind of aggressive and degenerate way that that conversation can happen
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online. I know that I know the way you mean that word, but
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it just sounds like calling everybody who engages in it degenerates. It's very funny,
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although I am I'm saying saying that people of a certain type of degeneracy
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like to just like have these fights about who would win without Yeah, but
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there's you know, we we know if USA beat Keysaru the admiral one on
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one, that would be immensely that would take us out of the story very
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much, because you know, we'd had to suspend so much disbelief on you
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know what we understand the powers scaling to be right, and so you know
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it's one of so, but there's a lot of situations where it's like,
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Okay, these characters are coming up against each other, you know, who's
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who's gonna win and by how much? And there is you know, I
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don't know you are somebody who doesn't like that topic of conversation general, No,
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I do. I enjoy it when it's when it's relevant, like here,
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like you know, power scaling warlord versus robot copy of a warlord.
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You know it's relevant. It's it's why law and knows this thing and kid
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hasn't had the experience yet. There's like a lot going because we're near the
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end of the story now too, and the whole thing, so a lot
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of the quote unquote you know, like final matchups of people fighting are starting
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to happen, and it's just like who can beat who? So the power
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scaling discussion is always there and I like talking about it, but some people
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don't. Yeah, it's a tricky thing because, like I definitely there's certainly
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rhyme and reason to a lot of it. But then there are times where
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it feels like people will survive things that are painted as like really deadly,
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and then I start to get very confused about what I'm supposed to believe the
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bad guy is capable of. If this person was able to just survive the
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thing, like how scared should I be? Which is always tough because of
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the fact that you've got folks who are not going to die, and like,
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you know, that's the point, is that they're going to make it
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to the end. It can it can fuck with the idea of the type
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like what power people are working with, because how do you portray somebody being
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really affected by a thing if they are able to like just get up next
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episode and keep fighting or walking or whatever. I feel like with Kuma,
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it's actually pretty good because of the fact that Zorro is still suffering from his
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injuries after being put into that weird bubble, Like this is definitely the longest
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we have seen an injury persist on the show. I think wrong in terms
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of pure episode count like in a way that's like debilitating for their ability to
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fight. Yeah, I think so. So I feel like that's a good,
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like a good way to approach it. I hope that this is something
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that continues, is to just like have people be taken out for the count
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down, for the count out. I don't know which way I'm supposed to
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say that. I really feelately like my brain is slowly starting to decompose inside
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of my skull and I'm just losing like turns of phrase and saying them out
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loud. You know, when you look at a word too long and you
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feel like that's not language, that's nothing. It's like that, I'll say
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turn of phrase, and then I question it so much that I begin to
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think that this is not actually even a real turn of phrase, that I
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made it up. Down for the count, right, there is a down
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for the count, I know, but out for the count also makes sense.
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So that's why I wasn't. Yeah, so works for me. So
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yeah, having Zoro be the one that's like really badly, especially Zoro as
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our Maine fighter that's a really high impact sort of injured party as well,
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so I feel like he is sort of because I was getting sort of frustrated
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by it, you know, and not really sure how the way that Kuma's
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bomb goes off on thriller Bark and we see that massive explosion and it's all
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this like drama and it seems like the island has literally vanished for a second,
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and then it's all back and it's fine, and almost nothing seems to
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have even been hurt except for like a building that was my going all right,
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I don't why am I supposed to care? Yeah? But with the
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Zoro now I feel like we've got a workaround. And now I am like,
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Okay, if this can last this long, and especially on somebody who
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is so tough, like that's his whole thing, then that's intimidating. At
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least if I know somebody can't die, I can under I can see that
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it's possible they will just be removed from our lineup for the foreseeable future,
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and that's not a thing we want. Yeah, he's definitely willing to He's
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willing to sacrifice believability in that aspect for the dramatic moment like the whole Tell
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thing and Alabaster surviving the bomb in the sky and but I forgot. But
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you know, he didn't want to kill Pell, but he couldn't. He
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couldn't. He couldn't have that moment not doing that. And so it's you
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know, you get this cool, big big paw blow up at the end
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of the thrill of Bark, and it looks so cool and dramatic, but
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then it's like, it wasn't that bad, you know, Yeah, I
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forgot that whole thing with Pell. I was so mad, you guys,
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remember, I was basically like, if he's still alive, I'm going to
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quit the show and then he was but they waited so long to show me
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that he was still alive that I kind of like, so, all right,
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you can have this one, I guess. All right. So at
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this point, kid is in the midst of talking to Law and saying if
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he well, if he isn't a warlord, then what is he? And
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all of a sudden there's this huge crash and he looks up and it's like
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the silhouette of Kuma with his uh Arnold Schwarzenegger. I in term nat because
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you get that red glow, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And
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we cut away from there to the moment where Zoro is on the ground and
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he is about to be stomped on by Kiseru, whose foot is glowing.
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I just really want to reiterate, these guys are so very large. They're
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so big, you guys like I think Kisaru is probably about fifteen feet tall.
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I think, oh, is there like a height spreadsheet somewhere? I
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should have known that. He looks like he could easily like his head would
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reach the roof of my house with the attic. So yeah, I'm I'm
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putting fifteen feet I wouldn't be surprised. I was even bigger, but let's
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say fifteen. Okay, so, uh, he's already like, isn't quite.
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The one thing that happens with both the anime and the manga is that
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he will also kind of make certain like proportions more extreme to make a moment
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more dramatic. Also, okay, yeah, so his official height is a
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nine feet eleven inches. Don't find it, No, Nope, that's wrong.
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But then you know, people got so white Beard the guy he met
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on a ship at one point, he's twenty one ft ten inches tall,
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So excuse me. Yeah, just you know, that's just how it goes.
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People can be big. But see, if the thing is, we
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know there are giants in this world, and you know, it's like a
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like Hagrid, you know where just like lots of generations down. You know,
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I just can't The only way that I can accept that there's like hybrid
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human giants is that the woman was the giant in the giant human setup,
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because otherwise, ouch, and even if we're not dealing without, we have
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got a proportion that I have to imagine she'd need like seven or eight regular
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human dicks to feel anything, because that one dick is not going to be
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doing it if you're a very large like these giants in this world, they're
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seriously humongous. What are you doing crawling there? Oh my god, I'm
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sorry you went there first. I I think I may have like said something
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about this one. Rashaan and I were talking about Hagrid that his dad was
33:09
like in there, the the oh, the Hagrid conundrum. I hate this.
33:20
There's gotta be so much like creepy fan fake out there, right,
33:24
but this stuff, I don't mean just like one piece. I mean just
33:28
like giants. Oh yeah, I'm sure something somewhere said. Oh man,
33:40
there's no good way to like find out, because if I just searched giant
33:45
vaginas, that's not gonna get me what I want. That's not what I'm
33:49
talking about. I'm so sorry everybody. Uh Gus says, maybe male giants
33:55
have surprisingly small penises. You know what gorillas have. Gorillas are huge and
34:01
have like, you know, like one inch you know, do they really
34:05
Yeah, yeah, they have they have tiny Well, okay, you know
34:12
what I like that. Let's go with that. Then we'll say that it's
34:15
like the gorilla situation. Uh, let's see Demian says, a lot of
34:21
people think that having a devil fruit can make people have more random growth spurts
34:24
depend depending on the fruit. The vast majority of people that are larger than
34:30
normal have devil fruits, and all the ones without are always remarked upon as
34:34
freaks of nature. Ha I'm a plugging in the charger real quick. One
34:39
second, Okay, no problem. I kind of like that theory Demian,
34:45
that like, depending on the power that you can have growth spurts, because
34:52
like I'm thinking about, you know, the way that things work for Chopper
34:59
is that it's not like he just turns into a human. He has like
35:04
a couple stages weirdly, So I could see that if you are a human
35:09
already, that maybe there's some sort of weird effects that it can have.
35:14
All right, I accept it. Bernadette says, horrifying thought breeding programs,
35:21
you know, as horrifying as that feels like it should be. Bernadette,
35:24
I prefer the idea that we're just going to take a giant ovum and human
35:30
sperm and mix them together in a test tube, test picture, perhaps depending
35:37
on the size of the ovum. I don't know how big that would be.
35:38
It was a giant. But yeah, and then you could just like
35:44
implant in a surrogate. You know, I prefer that, But also if
35:51
I suspect that's not what you meant by breeding programs, So I'm just going
35:53
to smooth sail right past that and we're just gonna not at all talk about
36:00
it. So anyway, Kisaru is about to stomp on Zoro, and this
36:12
is when us Up steps in and starts to try and shoot things at him
36:15
with his awesome slang shot. All of it goes right through him. Brook
36:22
steps up and tries to stab him in the chest, goes right through him
36:27
as well. I love that they're just sort of continuing to do the thing
36:31
that they just saw. It doesn't work really repeatedly, to the point that
36:37
Kisaru is like, yo, dude, there's no point to this. What
36:40
are you doing? Why? Why are you continuing this? And then he
36:44
says, I ate the glint glint fruit, and now I'm made of light.
36:54
Ah. I gotta say, surprise the name for this one. And
37:07
it's not like a bad name. It's a little hard to say. Like
37:12
you say glink glint fruit, glin wlint fruit. You're not getting the tea.
37:16
Right, You've got to really enunciate glint glint fruit. It just feels
37:22
difficult. Gum gum fruit is granted, also kind of a weird name for
37:30
like the rubber fruit power. We've got other names that for like devil fruits
37:37
that are extremely basic to what they are, Like, wasn't mister two's or
37:42
mister three, mister threes just the wax wax fruit. Yeah, So it's
37:47
interesting to me how sometimes it's just a very literal direct, like we're gonna
37:54
name it what it does. And then sometimes it's gonna be like, oh,
37:58
we're gonna name it after a sort of you know, synonym for what
38:04
you would say this does you know? So, like the story behind the
38:09
Japanese name for Keysar's fruit is the peka pica no meat. Pika is in
38:15
pikachu, which means like, so pika is an automount of pia for something
38:21
that like glitters or sparkles, Okay, Yeah, And and so a lot
38:25
of the Japanese names are kind of like little little references or punns like that,
38:30
and so yeah, oftentimes, yeah, the English translation to that,
38:35
which you know, has to be a word that's like short, you know
38:38
that could be repeated like that. Yeah, it just doesn't doesn't quite mesh
38:45
the same way. I wish that they had named it something like the glitter
38:49
glitter Fruit. Yeah, like that would be you know, I feel like
38:53
that's kind of a fun I didn't know that Peka Pika was sparkling, because
38:59
that makes sense. He's like electricity, right, it says deal well light
39:05
Yeah, no, I'm talking about Pikachu. Yes, I was getting ice
39:13
from my from my fridge today and it has like a button that you can
39:17
press to have crushed ice instead of the cubes and all the buttons. Says
39:22
is like, there's a picture of a you know, animation of it falling
39:28
and it says ice type underneath, And I really want to like do something
39:31
with that and make a Pokemon ice type joke, and I can't come up
39:36
with it. So if anybody out there has got a good idea for something
39:38
that I could print out and tape above the ice type on my fridge as
39:44
a little winky jokey bit, let me know what you got. Gust is
39:50
saying gum gum equals goo no me translated, it's the rubber rubber fruit.
39:55
Okay, I think I've a remember him saying that that sounds familiar, so
40:04
and Demian is saying it's always on amonopeas. Yeah, that's too bad that
40:07
that's lost. I wouldn't mind like a list of all of them that we've
40:13
run into along the way. All the ones that aren't on amonopeas are wordplay
40:17
or Japanese numerology. What does that mean? Numerology? Different numbers just like
40:25
have different because what it is is like you can you can take what the
40:32
syllables for a number, and like if you take those syllables like that are
40:38
that you speak the number with, but then like translate it to like one
40:43
of the other Japanese scripts, then it means like a different word. So
40:46
so it's a lot of times, like like two syllables, you know,
40:50
can have like two or three different meanings based on whether it's like kanji heraragana
40:58
that. Oh. So, so there's like a bunch of and then there's
41:05
just like certain like associations with numbers that just happened like by themselves that I'm
41:10
not like not as familiar with. But I'm super curious about that just because
41:19
like I can't think of anything like remotely equivalent in English to like words that
41:25
are associated with certain numbers, you know, but then also like so for
41:30
example, there's a series called Bleach and the character's main the main character's name
41:35
is Ichigo, and ichigo is a word that means strawberry. But the numbers
41:38
one in five are ichi and go, so you know, another another way
41:44
to interpret this word is one five but like that's not a real word,
41:47
but it just his name as Ichigo. But it's like got both strawberry and
41:52
one five like packed into that, so it's it's it's it's yeah, interesting,
41:59
interesting, all right, Wow, that's a lot. Yeah, I
42:01
bet that's fun to play around with. We should we should have more going
42:06
on with our language. It's weird. We've made our language like so over
42:08
complicated in ways that are not interesting or helpful, and then like anything that
42:14
could be cool, we're just like nah one meaning maybe two. So anyway,
42:22
this is when Chopper like off to the side, is yelling for Zoro
42:28
to run away, and Zoro is saying that he can't because he is way
42:32
too weak, and Sanji, like everybody, is sort of prepared to do
42:38
something. It looks like Sanji is about to run in there for a second,
42:42
but Robin uses her powers to sort of like scoop him and she rolls
42:47
him away, And I'm thinking, oh, perfect, you guys, this
42:52
bitch just follows those arms, just trap Zoro again. It's nothing. It's
42:59
so embarrassing. I hated this for her, Like her power usually is fucking
43:07
clinch. It's saves lives so often. She comes through for us so often
43:15
that how completely this fails really caught me off guard because he just it's it's
43:22
he doesn't even miss a beat really, and yeah, that's again another like
43:29
shift in place that feels very similar to Kuma, but he doesn't have the
43:34
same like clearly hasn't even the same devil fruit. So is that an ability
43:40
that isn't even related to the devil fruit at all that they've picked up somehow,
43:46
or is it just that they each have an ability that can be turned
43:52
to the same advantage where they can each basically teleport because of loopholes with their
44:00
power being light. Yeah, traveling at the speed of light like that makes
44:07
sense, But then there's the bubble thing. I don't know how that would
44:13
aid in teleportation, right, but he's clearly that's what he's doing. It
44:21
seems like the bubble thing. The bubble thing is weird on a like small
44:25
scale, you know, like Any's lobby. We got the whole like shave
44:30
thing where it's just like they get there and they go. And so you
44:34
know, most most strong characters at this point are going to be able to
44:37
quote unquote teleport you know, a short distance by just like moving really fast.
44:42
But yeah, it does. It does seem like interestingly, you know,
44:49
keys are and potentially you know, yeah, how do how do bubbles?
44:53
How would bubbles teleport somebody? But you know, yeah, because I'm
44:59
sure I I keep trying to like make that fit into somehow, but it
45:04
doesn't really. It's just sort of if you're it's like the same thing as
45:07
being able to practically fly, you know, where it technically being able to
45:15
fly as like its own power. But our guys can like leap fifteen feet
45:21
into the air and fight in mid air for like two full minutes, and
45:23
it seems like that's pretty much flying, But nobody treats it that way.
45:30
It's skywalking. You're kicking the air, sure you are. I don't believe
45:37
you. Oh that's that's the in world explanation for it. I don't believe
45:42
you. I don't believe that. Let's say that I don't believe in skywalking.
45:45
Sorry, Luke, but you know what can you do? So yeah,
45:53
he is like completely charged up is the wording I want to use.
45:59
With his foot and saying time to die. We get along like everybody's screaming
46:05
and rushing forward, trying to do something, and then here comes Raley,
46:13
and Raley kicks him, and this man explodes like ten neutron bombs. It's
46:29
he's fine, like immediately fine. So clearly it's not him exploding. It's
46:35
it's that his power that he was about to use detonated in the air after
46:40
getting kicked. But when I say that, fucking sky turns blood red for
46:49
a second, and it's the whole sky. It is quite dramatic. So
46:55
when he just stands up and it's like nothing happened, almost like he's just
47:04
standing there, almost exactly where he had been, it looked like he got
47:07
kicked into the sky, and I'm assuming that he did. But because he
47:14
can travel like light, he can return just as quickly, and it's not
47:16
really being knocked out of place isn't a problem for him. But it really
47:24
like confused me for a second. I'm not gonna lie. I thought we
47:28
were going to have to wait for him to recover at least at least like
47:34
two or three seconds, and it's not. He's instantly back in place,
47:42
and Rainley says to him, don't go picking these buds before they sprout.
47:49
Their era is only just beginning, and I want to see what they do
47:53
with it, which I do really really like that just as a motivating factor
48:01
for him. It's not even like personally, I really like these kids,
48:07
and I'd be upset if you hurt them more, just being like, no,
48:09
they're interesting, and I just kind of want to see what happens.
48:15
Not necessarily that those things are mutually exclusive, but I really do enjoy the
48:23
idea of somebody older who has had like wild powers and has sort of gone
48:29
on the d L for a while, just kind of wanting like to sit
48:34
back and see some entertainment from other young folks who were stepping into the breach.
48:38
You know, Sorry, this is Brenard's saying, so let's move the
48:46
chat along. Nothing to see here, keep moving. Oh oh there was
48:50
a spoiler. Okay, I'm not looking everybody, Just what's that? I
48:59
just I don't remember all of that being explained quite so explicitly. It's not
49:04
it's not a it's not a big deal. It's like a scientifically, you
49:08
know, sort of valid way that the paw thing could could potentially like teleport
49:15
somebody. Oh okay, yeah, and gust is saying pretty sure he explained
49:22
it at the end of thriller. Bark Demian is saying, so it's not
49:27
necessary, it's not a spoiler. Oh okay. I don't know what to
49:30
do then, because I kind of want to read it. It's more like,
49:35
because it was explained that his pause could deflect anything. I just didn't
49:38
remember that if it, like because his comment set has deflected it up to
49:45
light speed, and I just didn't remember that specifically being mentioned. Which so
49:49
it's like just just like a minor thing. It's not not a not a
49:52
huge, huge spoiler, but you know, I guess theoretically, you know,
49:59
if he could if he could put them in a bubble and hit them
50:01
like de Fleck that bubble, you know, way of teleporting somebody. Yeah,
50:12
that's interesting. I like this, this light speed control we've got going
50:16
on. What happened with these like new powers? Trying to think of something
50:21
else that's sort of equivalent. What's the name of the dude who does the
50:23
ice al Kegi? Al Kegi? That's right, uh, Because, like
50:31
you know, being able to control cold is a power that you see a
50:37
lot in but I feel like stuff with light can be a lot of illusion.
50:45
Magic is sort of played as being light and considering the fact that he's
50:52
a root is like appearing in front of them, but he isn't actually there.
50:59
He he says he's made of light, but it almost feels like you
51:01
could call that an illusion, or maybe he could create illusions, perform illusions.
51:07
I don't know the way that I want to say that, I'd be
51:09
interesting if he could project an illusion of himself with the light. Yeah,
51:15
yeah, because if you're made of light and so many of your powers are
51:23
based around light, could you just mold other light into a copy of yourself?
51:30
Like Actually, because the thing with kids, rue is like they're attacks
51:36
don't land, but he can sure as fuck hit them. I think the
51:42
way you would end up having to do that is, I don't know's maybe
51:46
like project like projecting the light through someone's like eyelids or something like like eyeballs
51:53
to like like I don't know if you could. I don't know if you
51:58
could make a bunch of photons like appear in a way that like looks realistic.
52:05
But I don't know. You had to reflect reflect other things. I
52:10
don't know. It's interesting to think about, guest Is saying, all chemises
52:17
is if he deflects there at the speed of light to use his pad cannon,
52:21
which is where I got the light speed apart from gotcha. Yeah,
52:23
I just hadn't remembered. Okay, okay, sorry, guys. So,
52:29
because we've talked about so much sort of out of order, that it's hard
52:31
to know when I should even bother returning to you know, what's actually happening
52:38
in the moment in the episode we're talking about. But basically we have Really
52:45
and Keiseru engaging in a fight here, Really saying I would love to just
52:51
fucking retire and get out of this game, but you guys won't leave me
52:55
alone. You keep posting like my photo every where, and Keiserus like,
53:01
dude, do you think that just because you're ready to retire, all the
53:06
consequences of your crimes just go away? No, of course we're still chasing
53:10
you. What are you talking about and they're also noticing that Raley's hit did
53:22
connect even though there's didn't, which I have to assume is something to do
53:27
with hockey. I really hate saying that because it just sounds like I'm talking
53:35
about the sport. Guys, it's h ki you know, you know what
53:39
I'm saying, Like, if you're listening to this, you know what I
53:43
meant. But to me with you know, not having gotten used to this
53:46
word yet whenever it's brought up, that's my If I'm not looking at the
53:52
screen at those subtitles and seeing the spelling of it, I'm always just like
53:55
hockey, what are they talking? Oh right, It's always takes a minute.
54:00
I'm sure that I will get used to it and stop having that sort
54:01
of association in my brain soon. Fingers crossed and Railey says, why don't
54:10
you just look the other way and let these kids go? Kiseru is saying,
54:19
man, are you living in a fantasy world? Of course I can't
54:22
do that. The celestial dragons are going to make my life miserable. They're
54:29
all up in our ship like the Marines. I can't just let that be.
54:35
Like, you know, and it's sort of interesting because I had said
54:42
when we were on thriller Bark and the way that Kuma swooped in, it
54:45
felt like Kuma was trying to help in a weird way, and that's sort
54:52
of what I'm thinking he might be trying to do here. Is everybody who
54:57
gets like zapped away is somebody who isn't capable of fighting at the level that
55:06
Lufy is at least in terms of That's tricky to say because I feel like
55:10
people are gonna want to argue with me about this. Would you say Zoro
55:16
is as strong as Lufy as a fighter? Yeah? The general answer is
55:24
is no, There's there's an interesting there are there are specific parts of the
55:30
story where where I think Zoro would potentially beat Lufy in a one on one
55:35
fight just like them, specific because because of the matchup thing right cutting versus
55:38
versus the right. But in general, uh, you know, Lufy is
55:45
definitely the overall, you know, strongest person on the crew pretty much at
55:50
all times. So if we if we go with that, then you could
55:58
see what Kuma did as a favor. All Lufy keeps yelling is for everybody
56:05
to run like everybody is so overmatched here outmatched. See you see what I'm
56:13
saying, overmatched. I would never have said that, like last year or
56:16
the year before. Something is eating at my brains. I'm so sorry everybody
56:22
you're about to watch, Like the quality of all my podcasts just slowly,
56:27
very slowly be eaten away by the acid of existential dread. I think is
56:32
probably what's doing it. But they're so outmatched, and he keeps trying to
56:38
get them to run. I want to believe that Kuma is like I got
56:45
you, man, and just sort of putting them in the cupboard out of
56:50
the way for a second. Well they well, all the big boys fight,
56:55
you know what I'm saying. It's reasonable, it's something other than killing
57:00
them. And it's just like, yeah, hopefully they're hopefully they're they're they're
57:04
put all together again. But like like where we're supposed to be going to
57:07
Fishman Island right now, we're supposed to be going right the world? You
57:12
know what else is going on in the world right now? You know any
57:15
of that gonna gonna mess with anything? Yeah? Could he just be putting
57:22
them back on the sunny That would be pretty dope. That would be if
57:30
they were like ready to go and stuff and able but they have to.
57:34
Uh, the ship coating takes three days, right, right, and really
57:39
is not on that ship coating job. He's out here fighting, So I
57:44
have to assume that's been a little bit delayed. I assume maybe I'm wrong
57:49
about that. I don't know what kind of assistance he's got. I don't
57:51
know what kind of automation he's working with. Maybe he's got a whole like
57:54
just pull in the ship and then press a button and take a lunch break
58:00
and the ship gets coded. I just Kuma is not against them the way
58:09
it seems like he is. He's so intimidating a figure with such wild powers
58:17
that it's really hard to not see him as a threat. Which I mean,
58:23
I'm not saying he's not a threat, but I'm just saying his motivations
58:28
seem like a lot more clouded. And I the thing that's like driving me
58:36
nuts about him is I feel like, if this is true, if my
58:42
suspicion that he's like trying to help in his weird way is correct, he
58:46
could tell them that he could communicate and be like, don't worry, I'll
58:53
help guys. But he doesn't. He's just doing the thing and causing Lufy
59:00
to have a complete mental break and watching him do it, by the way,
59:06
like he stands and watches Lufy just completely fall apart. So if it
59:12
does turn out, then I'm right. And Kuma has been sort of trying
59:15
to help this whole time in his way, but he just decided not to
59:21
volunteer that information. There better be a damn good reason that he couldn't have
59:27
said out loud, Hey I'm helping, that's all I'm saying. One of
59:34
these young kids these days are too optimistic to have the rogue pulled out from
59:37
under him. I just really want the guy's got a little bear pause.
59:46
That's cute. I don't want the bad guy to have a little cute bare
59:52
ears and little bear pause. That's too cute. It's adorable, Like that's
59:59
not a power for a bad guy. It's not that duality super tall and
1:00:04
imposing. But then his voice is like kind of like he's like very soft
1:00:07
spoken and kind of quiet. Yeah, yeah, I really enjoyed it.
1:00:13
Do you watch the sub similar voice? I don't. I don't even know
1:00:19
exactly what the dub sounds like. I should, I should check it,
1:00:22
but it's it's like definitely on the higher end pitch wise for guys, and
1:00:30
just like very it's like he's talking in a library, just very calm,
1:00:35
you know. Yeah, that's basically what it sounds like with the dub as
1:00:38
well. Is when he says don't interfere, it's don't interfere like very little,
1:00:50
not little annunciation, but there's not a lot of emphasis put on any
1:00:54
of it. And I don't know if that's just like his personality in general,
1:01:00
or if it's the fact that he is working on the d L towards
1:01:04
some cause that we don't know about and so he is trying to keep himself
1:01:08
to himself. But I really kind of like that voice. Like this show
1:01:15
is funny that way because the voice actors for certain characters take me by surprise
1:01:22
a lot. Like Lufy's grandfather. His voice actor really caught me off guard
1:01:30
because that guy does not have nearly as like low and rough a voice as
1:01:35
I would expect from a dude who looks the way that he does. So
1:01:42
yeah, I just anyway, Kuma let me. I'm just gonna say it.
1:01:47
I want I want Kuma to be a helper because his motif is too
1:01:53
adorable, and I want things to be okay with our friends, and I
1:02:00
feel like, wow, we do have really on their side. He himself
1:02:06
is like in too much trouble because they want him as well. Kuma operating
1:02:14
on the d L would be more helpful in some ways. Really, I
1:02:19
think outpowers Kuma, would we say that I'm putting another pets are Yeah,
1:02:28
that's a question mark for sure. I feel like he must because like it's
1:02:38
one of those things because like he he was keeping up and fighting with Kazaru,
1:02:44
but it's like he would he beat Kisari. It was just like you
1:02:46
know, one v one all the way to the death, and it's just
1:02:49
you know, we don't know. We know that certainly we would expect the
1:02:54
vice captain of the Pirate King's crew, you know, in his prime,
1:02:59
to be able to do so. But it's just like how much how much
1:03:00
as age, you know, and then how how strong is keys are compared
1:03:06
to Kuma. So I don't know, it's I think it's I think it's
1:03:08
very very up in the air. Could could go uh, but we haven't
1:03:13
even seen that much. We haven't seen Kuma really be pressed either. You
1:03:15
know, he's only he's only been dealing with that's true, you can deal
1:03:20
with easily. So we don't know how how high his ceiling goes yet either.
1:03:23
Yeah, that's true. That's a good point. M a lot of
1:03:29
question marks. I just really I am wanting Kuma to be on their side
1:03:36
because I want there to be somebody on their side who it feels like is
1:03:44
sort of an insider. And if he is kind of secretly working with them,
1:03:52
it makes it gives me a sense of like sort of comfort, you
1:03:57
know, like they've got a person in their corner or that that potentially could
1:04:00
really have an effect. So I think that's why I like really want to
1:04:06
believe it. But also I don't know what his motivating, Like why would
1:04:12
he be trying to help? Was that about? I know that he mentioned
1:04:15
something about being connected to Ace at one point, like that he had the
1:04:19
same reputation of like being a good captain as asted something like that, Yeah
1:04:25
it was. It was a dragon at the end of the filler bark dragon,
1:04:30
right kind of. And and and about how how you know your your
1:04:36
son is picked good companions? Right? Okay, So I'm keeping an eye
1:04:47
on the time here, and we've got about forty five minutes. Wait,
1:04:51
no, we don't. We've got about twenty minutes completely misread that. My
1:04:56
bad, But we also talked about like everything else that happens in the episode.
1:05:03
We've kind of got over it, you know, we're not we're not
1:05:05
really pressed on that because it's just, you know, what order of people
1:05:12
did he make go away? Uh? Yeah, this is like the other
1:05:18
power that I found sort of interesting. He's a roue is what does he
1:05:24
call it? Something mirror and it looks like the same power that he used
1:05:30
to travel up onto the rooftops. I'm not sure if that's the same thing
1:05:34
or not. So I have a question about this, and it may just
1:05:40
not really be that important, but you know, he's able, it seems
1:05:44
like to sort of teleport in the in the moment where Robin is rolling Zoro
1:05:51
away, Yeah, he can just teleport over to Zoro in an instant.
1:05:57
It's not there's no time lost, it's a practically immediate movement. However,
1:06:03
that's like somewhat close by, and so I'm assuming that that's why he didn't
1:06:11
need to use any sort of special power to transport himself there, because what
1:06:15
it looked like he was about to try and do was follow them into the
1:06:21
woods because they're like escaping into the trees, and he's going to use this
1:06:26
mirror power to project himself out ahead of the whole group, but then really
1:06:33
interposes himself and stops him. So I just want to be clear, like
1:06:41
sure that I understand the movement that he can take with or without using special
1:06:48
abilities, because I'm I sort of forgot that he used that mirror thing at
1:06:53
one time with the buildings, and I would think working with the speed of
1:06:58
light and travel like light, that he should be able to get to the
1:07:02
top of that building without using a special technique, do you know what I
1:07:12
mean? I agree, I think it's I think when it's possible that it's
1:07:15
just like you know, going at the speed of light, like in one
1:07:19
direction, if you need to like go around any kind of corners or bends
1:07:24
or anything like, he like sets up the mirror to go at like different
1:07:27
angles or something like that, and then yeah, if it's just a straight
1:07:30
line to where he needs to go, he doesn't need to do that.
1:07:31
Again, it could just be a thing where it's just like that mirror thing
1:07:34
going at the buildings that looked pretty cool, you know, it was like
1:07:39
awesome, and so you know, it could just be him doing that for
1:07:44
the effect of it. So, you know, either one that's interesting like
1:07:48
getting around corners and stuff. I could see like if he wants to be
1:07:53
ahead of them so that when they're running they're coming straight at him, then
1:07:57
yeah, he couldn't just go through the whole group, although technically he could
1:08:01
if he's light and they were punching him and it wasn't landing because he's not
1:08:05
solid, he really should be able to go through the group. It's kind
1:08:11
on how the physics. Yeah, it's fine, it's not important. Like
1:08:15
I said, I was just sort of wanting to make sure that I wasn't
1:08:18
missing something there. That's funny. I find sometimes now in one piece where
1:08:24
there will be one random thing like that that I'll decide to decide to start
1:08:28
picking apart, and he's like, would this really work this way? And
1:08:30
then then I think, again, this is like, am I really choosing
1:08:34
to dissect this in one piece and this is the line that I draw or
1:08:40
what? Yeah? And so I just then I just toss it out.
1:08:44
It is so easy to get caught up like that, Like I've done it
1:08:46
a billion times on this show. Like there just came a point where I
1:08:51
had to consciously be like, I'm not going to do that anymore, and
1:08:55
I will address it just to say it because it like it occurred to me,
1:09:00
and I want to be open with what I'm thinking. But I've tried
1:09:05
to really just go it's magic. Basically, it's fine, whatever it's to
1:09:13
look cool, I just something. There's occasionally times where is it just to
1:09:17
look cool or am I missing something that's sort of like dovetail, And it
1:09:23
can sound like I'm just criticizing not letting something go, when really I'm trying
1:09:29
to be like, I feel like there's information here that I didn't see.
1:09:35
So that's the part where I just occasionally get hung up is feeling like I
1:09:43
just, you know, I'm not connecting thoughts that everybody else has already connected.
1:09:47
And I feel like sometimes sometimes there is just like random information that doesn't
1:09:54
seem like it should be that important but ends up being really important later.
1:10:00
So oh, funnimation, what are you doing? But he paused on me.
1:10:06
Its just completely like shut down. It hasn't done this before. Usually
1:10:11
it's Hulu that I have this issue with, and then I press refresh and
1:10:15
it brings the volume all the way back up to full cool. Thanks blowing
1:10:19
my ear drums out. Oh my god, I forgot about how Brooke runs
1:10:28
with his arms like this full full t shape, lifts on either side of
1:10:35
his face. He makes a few like I'm a skeleton, I'm dead jokes
1:10:42
in these two episodes in a way that's very understated and I really appreciated.
1:10:48
Yeah, most of the time he does those, and he does but I
1:10:51
don't have any lungs and it's a big like hatch. But this time it's
1:11:00
sort of like, well, I guess I'm not even alive anyway, and
1:11:01
he just like barely gets it out before some big thing happens, and I
1:11:06
approved of it. I don't think that's going to get old for me.
1:11:12
Ye will, but I'm going to predict right now it's not. I think
1:11:15
I'm always going to be a fan of the I don't have skin or organs,
1:11:20
am not alive, et cetera jokes. There are some good ones later.
1:11:26
Oh yeah, Brooke is just honestly quite a delight, and I I
1:11:34
have a I don't don't think I really like addressed it with myself, but
1:11:42
I have a suspicion that Brooke is going to go on his own and hang
1:11:51
out with Laboon and just like go live his own life and be away from
1:11:57
our friends at some point. And I don't want him to do that because
1:12:04
I really like him. I enjoy all the energy he brings. Except for
1:12:10
the asking to see panties. We could really do without that. That'd be
1:12:14
fine. But otherwise I want him to see Laboon. I want there to
1:12:20
be a lovely reunion. I don't know how he continues to be a straw
1:12:26
Hat crew member, just Laboon just continue to follow them around like his old
1:12:30
crew. I guess that could work. I mean, it'd probably be pretty
1:12:35
handy to have Laboon like around for weird odd jobs. I don't know what
1:12:44
that looks like. But one interesting characteristic of the Grand Line in the New
1:12:49
World is that at the end of the second half of the Grand Line technically
1:12:57
is the end of that is the other side of the mountain that Laboon is
1:13:01
crashing his head into right now, right, Yeah, So that's that's just
1:13:05
interesting geography. But but yeah, getting getting to Laboon in a way that
1:13:11
doesn't disrupt you know, the because you know, it's Brooks dream is to
1:13:18
eventually reunite with Laboon. But everybody on the straw Hats dream is kind of,
1:13:25
you know, kind of underneath the Laby being pirate king dream. So
1:13:30
I feel like there can be a way to satisfying it because it's it's kind
1:13:34
of a thing where it's just like, at this point, everybody's got to
1:13:38
have their dream realized on the crew, you know. So we've got to
1:13:42
have the Laboon reunion. But I'm sure there's a way we can get it
1:13:46
without it, Yeah, but ruining everything, yeah, having it early and
1:13:53
having Laboo come and you know, Laboon's probably got a mean headbut at this
1:13:58
point, so he could probably probably keep up in some some pocean combat.
1:14:03
He's also got Crocus flipping in there, and I don't know how that would
1:14:10
shake out, Like can Crocus Laboon was like moving around a ton and Crocus
1:14:16
seemed fine, right, I'm just I don't know how that would work.
1:14:24
But I'm not against having Crocus be part of the crew in his way either.
1:14:29
I just think he wouldn't be interested. He seems retired, he's done,
1:14:33
you know. So yeah, I don't know. Okay, anyway,
1:14:42
so let's let's get into the whole thing with Chopper, because when stuff really
1:14:48
begins to go left. Chopper is starting to completely He is watching each of
1:14:59
his friends go up against Kuma, and it's like the fake Kuma at this
1:15:05
point, I think still, but he is really growing afraid for everybody to
1:15:15
a degree that he decides that he is going to take more rumble balls and
1:15:23
turn into this giant ogre like creature again, which I was very surprised.
1:15:30
I've got to admit that he did this again so soon after thriller Bark.
1:15:35
I didn't expect it. I thought somebody would stop him, that he would
1:15:43
take more time to consider and be worried about the arm he could do with
1:15:47
friends, and he doesn't. He just looks around and says, everybody's gonna
1:15:54
die and leaps forward past Robin who tries to stop him, and he els
1:16:00
get away from my friends, chomps a couple rumble balls and then begins to
1:16:05
grow. And it happens so quickly that I hadn't even like fully processed what
1:16:12
was going on here. And he is facing down with the dude with the
1:16:15
big red and white bow whose name I cannot remember. Sent Tomorrow, Sent
1:16:24
Tomorrow, Sent Tomorrow is working with the Kuma bot. Yeah, right,
1:16:33
he is h He is the bigga punk doctor's bodyguard. Right, is the
1:16:41
doctor who who made the Kuma Bots. I've got to be honest with you,
1:16:48
I don't get like the point of this guy. He just seems I'm
1:16:57
just I'm just forgetting he's around. That's how I'll frame it. Is not
1:17:01
even that he's like a pointless character, but he is so not a threat
1:17:06
that I'm feeling or a person that I'm interested in, that I completely forget
1:17:13
he's there. And anytime we see him on screen, I'm like, oh,
1:17:17
yeah, him, and then immediately forget him again. Yeah. So
1:17:24
the whole thing with him, like, he isn't really a factor in these
1:17:30
fights very much either. The only thing that he does at one point is
1:17:35
like I think Lufy is demanding from him, where Kuma is like sending people
1:17:41
or what's happening to them, and he doesn't know is what it comes down
1:17:45
to. He like says something about how well legend tells about No, it's
1:17:50
nothing. It's just like people's guesses and nobody is certain, So he doesn't.
1:17:58
He isn't serving that much of a point in the story at this juncture.
1:18:04
And maybe he will, and maybe I will eat my words. But
1:18:09
oh my god, Demians says, just imagine Frankie getting his hands on Laboon
1:18:15
and building him into a cyborg whale submarine. Look, I'm not saying that
1:18:21
that couldn't be cool, but I am saying that I have still not watched
1:18:28
Guardians of the Galaxy three because I have heard that there's a lot of body
1:18:32
horror stuff in relation to how Rocket got to be the way that he is.
1:18:39
And I cannot be excited about a cyborg whale submarine in the context of
1:18:48
the horror that would be to do to this animal who has been through so
1:18:55
much already. So if we if something happened and he was injured and there
1:19:01
was only one way to save him, and that's to make him the cyborg,
1:19:04
fine, but that has to be the only thing like otherwise, No,
1:19:11
absolutely, did you see Gardance three? I did not yet, Okay,
1:19:16
because I've heard some like pretty intense body horror stuff. I'm not sure.
1:19:21
I'm I'm interested. I'm not like super huge into. I don't know.
1:19:27
I don't I don't go see Marvel movies in theaters as much anymore.
1:19:30
I'll wait for them to come out on streaming. That's kind of where I'm
1:19:34
at too. I went to see Barbie and that's the first movie I've seen
1:19:36
in theaters, and like a lot I did the Barbenheimer we Go, But
1:19:45
yeah, the I had a couple of people who said that they brought their
1:19:47
kids and wish they hadn't because it was like intense enough that they had difficulty
1:19:53
and their kids were genuinely, like really upset by it. So I'm just
1:19:56
sort of like, I'm not great with that sort of thing anyway. And
1:20:00
if it's bad enough that folks are like, I wouldn't recommend it, I'm
1:20:04
gonna just sort of stay away and maybe i'll watch it when I can look
1:20:08
down at my phone and not see the thing, or you know, fast
1:20:12
forward or go to the bathroom something like that. Gus says, what every
1:20:17
new pirate that enters a Grand Line think the first thing they see is a
1:20:20
giant whale with a straw hat Pirates flag painted really badly on its forehead.
1:20:25
That's true. I didn't really think about that. If they see him,
1:20:28
he kind of already is a cyborg, and Demian says, Labun already has
1:20:31
all kinds of metal hallways in there. He kind of already is a badly
1:20:35
built cyborg. I guess that's true. How did that happen? Did Crocus
1:20:43
built little that in him? Apparently? All right, Crocus, I am
1:20:47
you now hmm okay, I don't like it. He learned the strategy one
1:20:56
time when he made it with a giant you. Oh my god, I
1:21:00
hate so much. Okay, now we're leaving. We're leaving. So this
1:21:05
is when we go to the moment where the bot is at about about I'm
1:21:15
trying to say the bot is about and I'm saying the bot is a bot.
1:21:19
The bot is about to attack and real Kuma. He steps in,
1:21:29
and it's interesting because he tells him to stand down, which does make the
1:21:34
bot back off, but then as the next episode continues, he begins to
1:21:44
try and attack them again. So it's like he's being given an order,
1:21:48
but then somebody else's order is overriding what Kuma is telling him, or Kuma
1:21:56
telling him to back off, only like lasts for so long as command and
1:22:00
then he has to renew it so to speak, like there's you know what
1:22:08
I mean, like it wears off. I don't know, but it's It
1:22:12
surprised me because Kuma seems to be able to get it to completely back away,
1:22:17
and then all of a sudden it starts going for them again, and
1:22:21
I sort of not expecting it to come down to him versus himself, but
1:22:30
yeah, he sees Zoro and it's like, oh, hey, Zoro,
1:22:33
I didn't see there. And us Up is like, Zoro, come with
1:22:36
me, let's get out of here, and as he reaches out, Kuma
1:22:44
slaps Zoro and he completely disappears, like there's sort of a dust devil that's
1:22:50
left and that's about it. And poor us Up is completely freaked out because
1:22:58
us Up isn't I mean, he is very freaked out in the best of
1:23:00
times, but he just saw his friend totally vanish. And this is when
1:23:06
we get the first look at all of the giant bubbles hovering above the island
1:23:15
and the first one popping. Now we basically talked about how everybody disappears movies
1:23:27
complete breakdown at the end, since we're going to be out of time pretty
1:23:32
shortly, is there anything specific that you wanted to talk about before we wrap
1:23:39
this one up? Nope, We're pretty much fun. You know, there's
1:23:44
no real way to speculate on where they they could be. You know,
1:23:48
it seems most likely that you know, whether they're together or separate. You
1:23:55
know, we're going to know some new place. Don't imagine we're going to
1:23:59
get completely reset to the beginning or anything. But yeah, it's go.
1:24:03
It's this is like, I don't know, this is the beginning of the
1:24:08
best SAKA so far. A lot of people think, and it's it's it's
1:24:13
a it's a roller coaster ride going up a thing here into a into a
1:24:19
crescendo, and it's a yeah, it's gonna be a good, good one
1:24:25
hundred episodes or so. Oh boy, man, hundred are you saying from
1:24:31
when we started this arc or coming up like the next hundred? Uh,
1:24:39
we'll say coming up maybe maybe not maybe at the start, I will hold
1:24:44
you to this. I was just wondering what you mean from the start about
1:24:45
about one hundred maybe okay, that could that could be off, but like
1:24:49
a decent a decent chunk. I'm also really compelled by the fact that like
1:24:58
Key's over doesn't seem to really want to be doing this. He's just like
1:25:00
the celestial dragons are sort of making it so that I can't say no.
1:25:05
And I wonder if they were taken out of the equation, if he would
1:25:10
just be like, yeah, whatever, guys, I guess go sail away
1:25:12
and enjoy yourselves. Like he just seems so laid back about everything that I
1:25:18
want to think he isn't a bad guy exactly. He's just following bad orders
1:25:28
kind of makes you a bad guy. But that high up, it's just
1:25:30
like, you know, I'm sure he understands what the situation's like. He
1:25:34
knows that there are human trafficking options that like, you know, shouldn't be
1:25:40
there. But that's the true about So it's just like I imagine it's kind
1:25:44
of like real life. It's like once you get high enough, you kind
1:25:45
of get so cynical about the way the whole system is and just go like,
1:25:48
well, that's just how it is, you know, one stay check
1:25:54
true. Well, all right, thank you guys all so much for hanging
1:26:01
out with me, And thank you to Shane Kratos for coming and joining me
1:26:08
on the episode. I really appreciate it. It's always fun to have somebody
1:26:12
else like chilling with me and not having to make all the conversation myself.
1:26:17
So lovely to have you. Thank you. I'm really interested in where we're
1:26:24
going with this, you guys. I don't like seeing LuFe this down.
1:26:29
Lufe's always the guy, even when he's upset, He's like, we can
1:26:31
do this. This is the first time that you really see him be like
1:26:35
maybe I can't. Though maybe I can't do this. I don't like it.
1:26:41
You're heard it here first, folks. Until next time to the loom.
1:26:45
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