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Jonny Lieberman, Final Boss · That Car Show

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  Allsport under score watches. And tell Jay that car show sent
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  you. What's the greatest experience
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  on planet Earth like Well. Tonight, Lindsay and I sit down
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  with our pal Johnny Lieberman, bearded automotive man about
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  town. He's got opinions and we talk
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  about it all. Car Week, The meal, Amelia,
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  Jerry Seinfeld, Spike's car radio, The Colorado Grand,
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  Getting older, engaging with your automotive audience,
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  Winning the lottery. Johnny's impressive.
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  Pike's Peak run into the true final boss of cars, plus
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  listener questions. And if you like what you hear,
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  the show on Spotify, YouTube and Apple Podcasts.
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  Johnny is a good guy and this is a fun one.
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  It's that car show. Well, welcome back to that car
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  show. I'm Lindsay and I'm here with
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  Ryan. And tonight we have my good
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  friend Johnny Lieberman joining us.
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  Hi, Johnny. Hi.
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  So you and I met through Instagram, but we connected
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  through our shared obsession with cars.
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  And then we've been friends for the last few years.
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  And you, you have an obsession with cars.
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  I just work with cars. I don't.
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  That's true. I'm not that.
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  Yeah. I just.
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  I just label everyone else who is, you know, I don't really
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  connected. Yeah.
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  Yeah. I just profit from them.
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  You're definitely not obsessed with them.
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  You're not even really interested.
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  You're just here. Just a job, man.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Just a paycheck. So you've been an automotive
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  journalist and an on camera host for car related video content
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  for Motor Trend. I think I first learned about
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  you when you were doing head to head years ago, but you've
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  written for Motor Trend, Autoblog, Jalopnik and of course
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  many others. And you're freelancing now more
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  and you just started your own YouTube channel, Driving with
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  Johnny. So congratulations.
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  Thanks. And I have a I'm on a podcast
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  called Spike's Car Radio. That's right.
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  Oh yeah, you might have heard of it.
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  Yeah. And yeah.
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  That's the number one show currently, yeah.
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  And I've been doing this for 20 years, 2 decades, 2.
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  And that's what I have more than two decades now.
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  And I had this other podcast called The Inevitable, which I
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  just heard on Fridays coming back so.
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  Absolutely. Yeah, yeah.
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  So all kinds of stuff happening so much.
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  Well, and you have guested on our mutual friend Jorge's
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  Tormenting Tarmac podcast several.
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  Times. Many times, which is almost the
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  most frequent guest ever on the Smoking Tire podcast.
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  There you go. Yeah, Yeah.
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  You can add professional podcast host and guest to your resume.
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  Yeah, I've been on more. I don't even know the amount of
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  podcasts I've been on. I couldn't even name half the
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  podcast I've been on. So there's a couple times where
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  like an episode has showed up in my feed.
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  I didn't even know about the show.
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  But I think because you were on it, it was like, hey, you might
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  like this episode. Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah, because you did. There was a whiskey podcast I
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  think you did a couple years ago, right?
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  Yeah, I've done 2W podcasts to my knowledge.
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  Yeah, countless, countless pocket.
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  I was on a I was on a comedy podcast with my friend Yeah, Jen
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  Sturger and this guy Eddie Pierce.
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  And it was, it's called Oh, God. It's Not Today show.
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  Not OK. Oh, that's funny.
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  Yeah. The Not Today show.
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  Yeah. Oh, that was within the last
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  year you did that one. That was a few months ago.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Good times, good times. Yeah.
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  So yes, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a guest.
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  You're a prolific podcast guest. What's a good company?
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  Safely say yes, well, maybe we can learn a thing or two from
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  you today then maybe. You have been an amazing
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  resource for me the last few years with all things automotive
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  and the industry and journalism and just the way things have
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  changed. And I know you know, our friends
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  Derek Powell and Lynn Woodward say the same thing about you.
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  You are very generous with your knowledge, which we all
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  appreciate, and I'm so excited you're here and to catch up with
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  you. So so we thought so there's a
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  topic that is on at least all of Dan and Ryan's and my minds
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  because it's coming up so quickly, which is car week in
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  Monterey. Yes, yes.
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  So you you know, I think we could say you're a car week
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  expert at this point. I think this will be because
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  COVID. I think this is my 16th.
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  No, hang on. Oh, OK.
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  It'll be my 15th. It would have been my 16th, but
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  it will be my my 15th year because it shut down for a year,
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  right. I've been going.
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  I want to say, I want to say I've been going since 2009.
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  My first one. Yeah, I was, I was thinking
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  about my attendance today and I was there in 97 before car week
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  was a thing. Like that was that was just the
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  vintage races. There wasn't everything else
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  around it. And then one year a few years
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  before COVID and then since 2021, every year.
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  And, you know, it's my favorite week of the year.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  It's the best. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Despite, despite what lots of
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  people try and say it's it's really fun.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  It's amazing. So what are you like, what are
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  you most looking forward to this year?
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  Because, you know, it'd be easy to get sort of jaded, but it's
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  just such an amazing conglomeration of events.
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  Like what you're excited about? I don't get Jade.
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  I'm I'm excited just to sound stupid.
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  I'm excited about the cars. I don't get jaded by by these
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  events. I just you know, I look at it as
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  just like, well, a couple things.
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  One is, you know, you'll be like, oh, hey, that looks just
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  like that. You know, one of one Jag, Oh
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  wait, of course it is that one-on-one because it's car
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  week. So if you're a real car geek
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  that that kind of stuff is just crazy.
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  And just the things you see driving around are mind blowing.
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  You know, I, I don't remember anything about myself, but my
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  buddy Shaffer, Mike Shaffer, the photographer I took the first
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  year I took him, which I think was 2000, either 10 or 11.
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  I probably 11 I remember we were like, I was, I was trying to
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  explain to him that like the types of cars he's going to see
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  is going to blow his mind And, and he was not, I don't know, he
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  was hearing, but not understanding, hearing, not
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  believing. And as we exit, you know, 68 to
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  get into Monterey or Carmel or whatever, we're going, there's a
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  black Ferrari F50 like just in front of us.
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  And he like, I could see like explode because there are no F
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  50s anywhere. And a black 1 is like, you know,
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  double plus rare. And yeah.
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  And, and, and it's just, it's it's that for a week, you know,
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  so, but yeah, I mean, you know, the, the big easy ones are the
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  Quail is, is just a lot of fun for me.
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  The quail's changed a lot because it now it's like new car
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  introductions. And that's, that's really the
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  last few years, especially since like the Geneva show went away
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  completely. This is where all the premium
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  manufacturers really show their new vehicles.
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  So there's a lot of work, which it used to not be a lot of work,
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  but also just, you know, it's like kind of everyone, you know,
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  in the industry on like 2 golf links or whatever the other
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  called, not a lot, not a lot of space.
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  So that's kind of cool. It's a lot of catching up with
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  old friends and, and talking and things like that, which is fun.
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  And then, you know, you get to like bump into all the industry
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  people that you see once a year and say, Oh, we got to get
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  together. And then you never do until the
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  next year at the quail. But that's fun.
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  You know, pointless interviews with CE OS where they say
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  nothing and you have no questions and it's great.
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  Never. I, I think over the so I
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  probably missed the quail once or twice in the 15 years that
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  I've gone. So over those, let's say like 13
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  years, I've probably consumed like 90 calories of food total
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  because I never remember to eat and I'm always just like
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  sunburned and starving and miserable by the end of it.
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  Maybe this year I'll actually eat.
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  But yeah, I think I've had like an oyster and like, I don't
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  know, like I had a Mercedes lunch one time or something.
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  Yeah. And that's how, that's how you
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  know you quailed correctly if you don't get to the end of the
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  day and your sunburned and starving.
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  But people are paying like 1200 bucks for the ticket or whatever
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  the hell it costs because they say the food is good, whatever
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  that means. Oh yeah, the quail's cool.
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  And there are actually cars on display.
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  No one looks at them, but there's a lot of cool cars
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  there. Everyone's just looking at the
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  new stuff because it's exciting. You've never seen it before
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  because it's a car show now. And then, of course, I'm still a
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  sucker for the Concorde elegance on Sunday.
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  You know, half a billion dollars worth worth of cars on one link.
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  I don't know what you call a golf course. 1 hole sounds
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  wrong. Yeah.
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  Yeah, but wrong. Crowd.
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  Yeah. Link.
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  Family's toe one links and you know and it's the best of the
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  best of the best of the best of the best of the best like you
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  know the quail overstate it yeah the quail will get like a lot of
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  Lamborghini aspatas together, whereas Pebble would have like 2
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  aspatas, but they're the the two absolute best and then sometimes
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  they do get like every Ferrari 250 GTO and it actually wasn't
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  even every but it was like 22 of the 33 that exist yeah or they
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  had 12 of the 16 Jag XJ or X used to be XK SSS, which was
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  absolutely insane. So stuff like that, you know, or
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  like a lot of nine seventeens, right?
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  So it's just it's really special.
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  And plus if you like like pre war stuff, it's the best pre war
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  stuff in the world. And I love pre war stuff.
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  I know I'm old and dying and nobody cares.
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  Kids don't like it and only supercars matter blah blah blah.
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  I know all that, but they're all wrong.
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  Sunday is the greatest, so that's fine.
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  And then I just like smoking cigars at the fire pit to
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  Spanish Bay more than anything else, really.
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  But yeah, don't tell too many people that.
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  Yeah, right. Definitely.
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  At least you didn't talk about it on spikes ever.
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  So nobody knew that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Oh, yeah. And then we're doing a live
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  podcast on Saturday that's become a kind of an institution
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  now. So me and Spike and Zuckerman
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  and Farrah and maybe Jerry, possibly a surprise guest.
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  Yeah. Well, it's not surprised.
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  It's surprised if he shows up. That's what I mean.
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  The surprise is the people are buying tickets to see him.
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  Whether or not he's going to be there, that's another story.
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  Yeah. Yeah, Seinfeld might be there as
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  well. But we're doing that on
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  Saturday. I don't even know what time yet.
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  And there's some other stuff happening, but yeah, that's
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  that's kind of what I'm looking forward to it.
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  Yeah. Car Week.
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  Yeah, anything you don't, you don't bother with anymore during
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  car week, just kind of over. Overtime.
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  Oh God. Everything, yeah.
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  We're to start. Number one and they're going to
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  kill me because they aren't my friends.
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  But like the, the, the Concorde, the lemons, like I got it.
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  I got the joke. It's like a Saturday Night Live
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  sketch, like let it die. Doesn't need to be a movie. 5
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  minutes, plenty got it. I understand and I and I think I
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  burned out for a lot of reasons. I I used to work for the 24
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  Hours of Lemons. Yeah, I was, I was a race
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  official. I think I went to the 39 races
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  which? Really.
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  Yeah, that's about 37 too many, but that's like a lifetime
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  amount. I was, I was a judge.
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  I got paid. I did get paid.
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  OK, OK, there was that, but and then for like one or two years,
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  they conned me into being a judge at the Concorde dilemmas
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  and like, yeah. And it's just, I get it.
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  They're really bad cars. Like, you know, the the first
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  time I went, was it the first? It was the second time I went.
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  Yeah, 2010. I was proud of myself and people
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  have copied this joke since, but I was really proud.
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  I thought it was very original. I entered a brand new Bentley
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  Molson in Concorde de Lemons and second worst of show.
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  I think a funny aspect beat it. So it.
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  Was it was in the worst written category?
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  Yeah, so it was a $300,000 Mulsan.
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  But but really what I try and do is I say yes to one thing per
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  day. That's that's the great secret
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  to enjoying car week is right. Don't run around.
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  It's like people visiting Los Angeles.
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  You know, what'd you think? Oh, it sucked.
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  I, I tried to go to the observatory and Venice and
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  Disneyland on the same day and I just sat in traffic.
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  It's like, no shit, Sherlock. So you know, one thing per day
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  and, and, and that's all you need to do and go, you know,
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  have a find people you like and have dinner with them.
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  Don't have dinner with strangers.
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  Have dinner with people you like.
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  And that's the secret to a relaxing car week.
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  If you try and do two things in one day, you'll just sit in
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  traffic because. Yeah.
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  So. No, I think.
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  Yeah. You shared that with me when we
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  were dinner with Shaffer a couple years ago.
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  Like you're the. The real secret tip is take the
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  Jomo approach. The joy of missing out.
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  Oh, that's yes. Delight in declining.
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  Yeah. Did you go to the Porsche party?
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  No, absolutely not. Guess what?
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  I'm never going to go and and I'm I'm just fine.
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  I've totally missed that. I've missed that Porsche party
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  15 pebbles in a row. Totally cool.
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  Totally cool. You know, you did miss.
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  We were. We were there last.
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  Year, yeah. Oh, I didn't miss it.
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  No, no. But we saw.
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  We got to see Spike and Zuckerman and there was the
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  great scallop throwing. This gal had put together like 6
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  plates of the scallop. You know, appetizer.
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  On one, yeah. Literally a mountain of scallops
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  and she turns and goes and launches the whole thing right
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  in front of. Spike, it was beautiful.
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  Did. It hit Zuckerman no, but he was
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  like real close. He had some new picks on too, if
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  I'm if I'm not mistaken. And yeah.
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  Yeah, it was a fight to behold, so it was worth being there for
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  that. Going to ask you about car week
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  hacks, but I think that's it, right?
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  One thing, one thing a day and then don't try to drive your
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  classic car around while you're there, huh?
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  People who go for their first time, they bring some amazing
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  car and then they sit in traffic and they're, you know.
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  Yeah, I mean, I would hear people you got to take a
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  motorcycle, which I'm like nuts. Anyways, yeah, look, you're
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  going to be in a little bit of traffic, but if you only do one
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  thing a day, you're going to be in traffic once, so big deal.
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  It's like. Going to work.
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  Yeah. And I think what people don't
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  understand, and it's like you were saying you wouldn't try to
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  describe it to Shaffer you almost there's there's elements
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  of it that unless you've experienced car wake, you can't
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  understand because you might be stuck in traffic.
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  But the traffic is like Horatio Pagani driving by in a Pagani.
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  And you're like, OK, I'm happy to sit in that traffic.
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  Yeah. It's not so bad.
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  And really like it. Like it like I think also I'm
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  I've been going long enough now. Like when I complain about the
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  traffic, it's not that the traffic's so bad.
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  It's just there used to not be any and now there is some.
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  Yeah. And it's really just Carmel
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  Valley Rd. really. There's really not any other
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  traffic. So if you're trying to head out
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  to the Quail or Legends or whatever the hell they call the
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  portion nonsense, like, yeah, it's a one lane Rd. and there's
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  a lot of people trying to get there.
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  But yeah, I would, I would say yeah, bring your classic car,
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  yeah. OK.
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  I just, I drive new cars for a living so I don't know anything
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  but I'll be, I think I'm bringing an M5, so I'm bringing
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  the new M5. Oh nice.
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  Yeah. You like that car, don't you?
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  Well, I've never driven it. I drove the M5 wagon the.
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  Touring and I. Really enjoyed that, but I
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  haven't touched the sedan. And they said hey, you want a
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  sedan? And I said sure.
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  So, you know, I'm not going to turn it down.
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  You're kind of unique, though. A lot of there's a lot of hate
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  for that wagon. Sure, a lot to hate everyone who
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  has never driven it. I've never met anyone.
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  There you go, There you go, there you go.
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  Yes, the Internet is undefeated with that.
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  Yes, there's a lot of hate for a lot of cars.
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  It's weirder than you driving me like God damn like these these
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  like, you know, century old companies with like, you know,
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  billions of dollars of R&D and the best engineers in the world.
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  They actually make great cars just because the Internet, you
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  know, has some dumb list of like boxes that were unchecked.
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  Like, you know, like I just drove the Temerario, the
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  Lamborghini and like like, wow, like like it makes it makes 907
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  horsepower and and the the Porsche 918 Spyder, which which
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  hyper car? Right, right.
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  That's the definition of a hyper car makes 875 and the McLaren P1
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  makes 903. And this is the entry level
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  first iteration of the Temorario.
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  This is not the Perfamonte, the Evo, the Technica, the STO
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  whatever they're going to do super Leggero, blah, blah, blah.
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  This is just the base model makes 907 and a little birdie
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  off the record told me, he said yeah, you know, we we got, you
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  know, 200 horsepower per liter 250.
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  We've already done that no problem.
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  So there's way hotter versions coming.
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  Wow, isn't that insane? Absolutely.
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  We oh, I mean, but I mean, just that we're living in this golden
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  era, right of I mean that. Is just absurd.
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  Again, the Internet doesn't sucks.
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  It doesn't have a slower engine, you know, it's like it doesn't
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  have a slower, less torquey, lower revving engine.
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  It totally sucks, you know, You know, it makes no sense, but
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  that's the world we're in, you know?
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  Yeah, Misunderstood. Same thing.
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  I drove the Ferrari F80 like, you know, hands down, no
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  exaggeration, the best car I've ever driven.
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  Best, best drivers car I've ever driven, really.
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  Yeah, I might say that a Rolls Royce Phantom is a better car,
• 18:51
  but but as far as like handling goes, this is it.
• 18:55
  Nothing's nothing's second place.
• 18:57
  It's, it's that good. And the Internet hates it
• 19:00
  because it doesn't make a loud noise.
• 19:02
  It's like, whoa, you know, and then actually I drove in and,
• 19:07
  and in Ferrari, they're like, well, you know, because noise
• 19:11
  regulations are what they are around the globe.
• 19:13
  And we just said like, let's not have it make any noise.
• 19:16
  And, and on the outside you'll just hear the aerodynamics if
• 19:20
  you're standing there. So it's the sound of like, you
• 19:23
  know, a mini tornado wishing by you.
• 19:25
  And on the inside you can hear the engine just fine.
• 19:27
  And you can, and it sounds great.
• 19:29
  You know, it's an over boosted 3 liter that makes 888 horsepower.
• 19:33
  It's, it's, it's, it's insane. And 55 lbs of boost, I believe
• 19:37
  55 1/2 lbs of boost, I forget 3.7 bars.
• 19:40
  That's almost 4 atmospheres of turbo boost pressure.
• 19:45
  It's like the hardest part about driving it is like keeping it
• 19:48
  out of red line because it's just always revved up.
• 19:52
  It's like there's nothing like it and the Internet says it
• 19:55
  sucks. So what do I know?
• 19:57
  I just drove the damn thing. You know, I think what we're
• 20:00
  learning is people want a reason to be upset is.
• 20:02
  That, yeah, I have. No idea what people want.
• 20:05
  It's. Easier to complain.
• 20:07
  It's just mind boggling to me. I don't know.
• 20:10
  I just I'm, I'm, I'm the longer I do this, like the I don't
• 20:16
  know, the more I don't know, bitter old man I become.
• 20:19
  But I just, I just like the orthodoxy, the cars only It must
• 20:23
  be this. It cannot be any other way or
• 20:24
  else bad. Where did that come from?
• 20:27
  What are you? Who are you?
• 20:28
  Who are you going to impress with that?
• 20:30
  Right, Right on, bro. Like that's that's all you live
• 20:32
  for? I don't know.
• 20:33
  I just don't get it. So do you feel like that is
• 20:36
  something like we've talked about how social media has
• 20:39
  changed what you do and impacted it And like, do you feel like,
• 20:44
  you know, obviously the Internet wasn't was in its infancy or
• 20:47
  earlier when you started. Do you feel like that has grown?
• 20:51
  I'm not that old, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:52
  It's less. Yeah.
• 20:54
  Yeah. I mean, we can do the math, but
• 20:57
  you know, like, do you feel like people have gotten more extreme
• 21:00
  in that way where if, and again, I think they're looking for like
• 21:04
  brownie points, you know, it's like, it's like, you know, you
• 21:08
  want to, you want to say the right thing online.
• 21:10
  You don't want to, you know, well, actually I enjoyed a
• 21:13
  Tesla, you know, like burn the witch, They're quite enjoyable.
• 21:18
  They're really good cars. You know, it's, it's kind of
• 21:20
  like my, my take on the cyber truck, which I drove.
• 21:23
  I know, I know what I actually drove 1.
• 21:26
  My take is it's neither as fantastic or as terrible as
• 21:30
  everybody says. It's just sort of like a pretty
• 21:33
  good electric pickup truck, you know, the a nice mug.
• 21:36
  Yeah. Speaking of.
• 21:39
  Yeah, Yeah. I mean, shut up.
• 21:42
  I made like dozens of dollars off that mug.
• 21:46
  But, you know, it's like, it's it's just fine.
• 21:49
  It's it's it's it's OK, you know.
• 21:52
  Is a Rivian a better electric pickup truck?
• 21:54
  Yes. Is a Ford Lightning better?
• 21:56
  Debatable, but you know, it's it's it's not, it's just people
• 22:01
  went like haywire over that thing and Tesla's in general and
• 22:05
  Ev's in general. And you know, I don't know.
• 22:07
  So I just feel like I said, there's some kind of orthodoxy
• 22:13
  where you have to say the same thing.
• 22:15
  And if every single car isn't AV12 manual, then it sucks in
• 22:20
  some way. And it's just like, there's just
• 22:23
  a lot of reasons why that's gone, you know, like, again, in
• 22:28
  terms of like performance, you know, I drove the the Temerario
• 22:33
  in Portugal on a track called Esteril.
• 22:35
  And I happened to also have driven the Lamborghini SVJ,
• 22:39
  which again, arguably was a hypercar, or at least as close
• 22:43
  as you can push a hyper a supercar into hypercar territory
• 22:46
  without actually being a hypercar.
• 22:48
  But yeah, I was a 759 horsepower V12 thingamajig and on the
• 22:54
  straight I hit 177 mph in the SVJ, and in the Temeraire I hit
• 23:02
  189. Same track.
• 23:04
  Yeah. And again, this is the base car
• 23:07
  and the SVJ was the umpteenth iteration of a platform with AV
• 23:12
  12, and this is AV 8. So is it better?
• 23:19
  Right, defined better? Yeah.
• 23:21
  I think it drove worse, yeah, and was definitely slower.
• 23:25
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 23:26
  So, yeah. So I don't know.
• 23:30
  So yeah, the internet's a big problem.
• 23:34
  Hey, Supercars. Yeah.
• 23:37
  Where's this Porsche supercar that we've been hearing about?
• 23:39
  It's supposed to be every 15 years.
• 23:42
  It was supposed to be 10 years I.
• 23:43
  Mean I don't know what. It is, it's like they, you know,
• 23:46
  the, the, the, the 959 happened and then nothing.
• 23:49
  And then, you know, it just so happened that like 19 years
• 23:56
  later, it wasn't even like a round Number, which is weird for
• 23:58
  Germans. But 19 years later the career GT
• 24:01
  happened and then nine years after that the the 918 spider
• 24:05
  happened. I don't know what's supposed to
• 24:08
  now, but McLaren has released or shown at least a successor to
• 24:13
  the P1. The W 1 Ferrari is there on
• 24:18
  about almost every 10 year cycle.
• 24:20
  So you know, 288 GTO was 86 let's say, and then three years
• 24:26
  later F40, and then like 8 years later F50, and then ten years
• 24:32
  later Enzo. And then La Ferrari was probably
• 24:36
  10 years after the Enzo thereabouts, and then ten years
• 24:39
  later was the F80. So they're kind of they've
• 24:41
  they've got it, you know. Yeah.
• 24:43
  So Porsche was supposed to do 1. I don't, I think what happened
• 24:48
  was the Mission X was that they showed at Rensport was Red Sport
• 24:52
  Reunion was supposed to be it. And you know, the people with
• 24:55
  the big checkbook said I don't want $1,000,000 EV or whatever.
• 24:59
  And so they went back to the drawing board.
• 25:01
  That'd be my best guess. So, and they might have known
• 25:07
  that going in, so they hedged their bed a little bit by
• 25:09
  calling it the Mission X or whatever they call it was a
• 25:11
  Mission X mission. X.
• 25:13
  Sounds. Right.
• 25:13
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 25:15
  So I don't know. I know that something's
• 25:16
  happening at the quail. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:19
  So if I was going to introduce AI, don't know, $4 million hyper
• 25:24
  car to the world, I would sure do it at the quail.
• 25:26
  So they're doing something, Lambo's showing something.
• 25:29
  Yeah, the Lambo's like it's probably going to be like some
• 25:32
  kind of Revuelto low production model, a couple $1,000,000, like
• 25:36
  like the Chantonario, like the CN, that type of thing.
• 25:40
  Like, you know, 100 units. I think they're calling it sort
• 25:44
  of a one off. It's a few off or something,
• 25:46
  which doesn't translate so well, but yeah, yeah, it's better in
• 25:50
  Italian. Yeah, everything's better in
• 25:52
  Italian. Yeah, obviously.
• 25:54
  Yeah, I know. Well, so one of the things that
• 25:56
  has been fascinating for me is hearing, you know, because
• 26:00
  people talk about like the supercars or the hypercars that
• 26:02
  are revealed at Quail and the fact that they're all sold by
• 26:06
  the time the day is over. Like usually.
• 26:08
  Yeah. I mean, it depends on the run
• 26:10
  and it depends on the manufacturer.
• 26:11
  Like for instance, I don't think Zenvo sold all their cars when
• 26:15
  they showed the Aurora was it last year.
• 26:18
  And I think like, you know, remember with the Porsche, the
• 26:21
  the 918, which I don't got nothing to do with the Quail,
• 26:24
  but they made like 918 of them are German.
• 26:30
  Like, you know, one of those like numerology things where
• 26:35
  they picked a number and then set a price.
• 26:37
  But Ferrari just says like, how many of these do you think we
• 26:40
  could sell 800? OK, make 799.
• 26:43
  You know, that's how Ferrari does it.
• 26:45
  So yeah, a lot of them are sold. A lot of them are sold.
• 26:52
  But also remember, like you know, they'll show a car like
• 26:56
  they showed the Temerario last quail and I just drove it two
• 27:00
  weeks ago and it goes on sale in in Q1 of 26.
• 27:03
  So it's an 18 month lead time. So even if you sell everyone,
• 27:07
  what are you really doing? You're taking deposits or
• 27:10
  commitments or something and then bankruptcy happens.
• 27:13
  The world's insane right now. Divorce happens.
• 27:16
  You change your mind, falls out of fashion, whatever you die.
• 27:20
  So they're not all sold sold. But you know, probably it's like
• 27:24
  it's like houses, like how many houses fall out of it?
• 27:27
  That's a bad example. I think like 40% of houses fall
• 27:29
  out of escrow, but the supercars is probably like 80% stay in
• 27:32
  escrow. Yeah, a few, yeah.
• 27:35
  And stuffle around, but yeah, I mean, that's that's been a big
• 27:38
  change. But that's why they're all doing
• 27:40
  it, though, is because the quail is where you sell them.
• 27:42
  You know, you started selling the Geneva Geneva's gone.
• 27:45
  Yeah. So this this is where you have
• 27:47
  all your customers. And then it's also, you know,
• 27:50
  it's like an auction in a way, because if you have a limited
• 27:52
  number, well, you know, better buy it now because it might be
• 27:55
  gone. So there's pressure, you know,
• 27:58
  and then, you know, you're walking around with like your,
• 28:00
  you know, new mistress and like, you got to impress her.
• 28:02
  Like I'm buying that. How much 5 million, you know,
• 28:06
  put it on the black card, right? You know, so that's how it's
• 28:12
  done. So that's that's what the quail
• 28:13
  really has become for for premium brands like the the
• 28:17
  hottest car show there is. But I mean, it's not saying much
• 28:22
  because every car show died, you know, except for like, yeah,
• 28:26
  they all died, I guess Goodwood, but that's kind of like the
• 28:28
  quail. And even that's just not even
• 28:30
  the same because it's just it's, it's it's not as international
• 28:34
  as Pebble is. Goodwood's still mostly AUK
• 28:37
  thing. I mean, a lot of people come in,
• 28:38
  but it's still mostly UK. But yeah, I mean, this is, I
• 28:43
  mean, I know Chevy showing up at the quail.
• 28:45
  They're going to show the their their new fax machine car, the
• 28:48
  ZRX one or whatever that was called.
• 28:51
  And I, I stole that line. It's the best line of all time.
• 28:54
  But like, what a horrible name. ZR It truly is it truly.
• 28:57
  Is ZR1X or something ZR1X? Of all the things it could have
• 29:01
  been, right? Right.
• 29:03
  I mean ZR2, ZR, I don't know ZR anything the you know, Zora,
• 29:09
  they trademarked Zora in the Chevy Zora Corvette Zora.
• 29:14
  Anyhow, they're, they're, they're gonna show that.
• 29:18
  So it's just become really big And like, it's, I mean, I
• 29:20
  remember, you know, a couple years ago, like Kia was there.
• 29:22
  Why was Kia there? Why not?
• 29:23
  It's a car show where people are buying shit.
• 29:26
  You're selling cars, you know, go for it.
• 29:28
  Right. Yeah.
• 29:29
  And people are in the mindset. I think it was last year Matt
• 29:31
  said he was at either Maserati or Lambeau and happened to be
• 29:35
  standing next to a couple who were in a serious conversation.
• 29:39
  OK, well, which car, which color are we getting on this one and
• 29:41
  which color are we getting? And he's like, you know, it's
• 29:44
  just, those are just the normal conversations that you hear
• 29:46
  people are, I remember was getting on 10 years ago
• 29:50
  probably, but I was at some some house Aston Martin had rented.
• 29:53
  And I was talking to my friend Matt.
• 29:54
  He used to work there. And they were, they were letting
• 29:57
  cars out for a test drive. And a guy comes back, he goes,
• 30:01
  I'll take it. And he goes, oh, great.
• 30:03
  I'm going to get you in touch with, we have a dealer Rep over
• 30:05
  there. They'll point you to the right
• 30:07
  dealer. He's like, no, no, no.
• 30:07
  I want the car I just drove. Plus I want another one, a
• 30:11
  different color for my wife and I want to repeat and I'll write
• 30:16
  you a check. How much?
• 30:18
  And $1,000,000 check or something.
• 30:21
  But you just wanted it then and there cuz why not?
• 30:24
  I write him a check. Relatable, as we say.
• 30:31
  Is surreal, you know, and I think it's also magical, right?
• 30:34
  I mean, I feel like every time you go you come away and
• 30:37
  something magic has happened Last year I bumped into our
• 30:39
  friend Bruce Meyer and the next thing I knew we were at Chip
• 30:41
  Connor's place checking out his collection.
• 30:43
  I mean, it's just it's like, where else does that happen,
• 30:46
  right? It's it's it's I think it's
• 30:49
  still worth going I think a lot of people have written it off
• 30:52
  because, oh, it's just too much of A shit show.
• 30:53
  It's gotten too expensive, but I mean, it's, it's amazing.
• 30:57
  Amazing. I go regardless, so.
• 30:58
  If you don't want to. Go great.
• 31:00
  Yeah, don't don't go. Well, what's the me to get stuck
• 31:03
  behind? What's the most amazing thing
• 31:04
  that's happened to you at Car Week?
• 31:06
  Like what? There's always something
• 31:07
  special. I think every year that happens
• 31:09
  while you're. There.
• 31:10
  I mean, the first time it was like blah, blah blah with blah
• 31:13
  blah and Johnny Lieberman and Jerry Seinfeld.
• 31:15
  That was pretty. Neat.
• 31:16
  Yeah, Yeah. Build like our names next to
• 31:18
  each other. That's awesome.
• 31:20
  That's most magical. Gosh, I don't that's a really,
• 31:29
  it's a really hard one to say. I mean, funny is I, I maybe
• 31:32
  think in terms of humor more. But one time Motor Trend, we
• 31:35
  used to do the live broadcast and I was interviewing Leno and
• 31:40
  or Pebble. Pebble.
• 31:42
  Yeah, and I was interviewed. We had Leno up there and
• 31:45
  something wasn't going right. We're having all kinds of like
• 31:48
  technical difficulties. And Jay was like, like asking,
• 31:51
  like what's happening? And I'm like, JJ, it's TV like,
• 31:54
  like, like, I know you don't know anything about it, but it's
• 31:57
  me. You're in good hands.
• 31:58
  And that was pretty good. Yeah.
• 32:01
  I don't know. I mean, just just just, I mean
• 32:03
  honestly, like the the cars, I mean, you know, as as silly as
• 32:07
  it sounds, but like, you know, seeing all the not all but you
• 32:15
  know, 20 some odd of the 250 GT OS that exist.
• 32:18
  That was like a once in a lifetime moment.
• 32:21
  Yeah. You know, there was there was
• 32:23
  some kind of crazy couple years ago, there was a like a Bentley
• 32:25
  8 liter race car, which I've never even heard of, but been
• 32:28
  built. It was insane.
• 32:30
  And that was there and just yeah, just just just the cars.
• 32:35
  Well, what about I know I've heard you talk about the moment.
• 32:38
  I don't know if it was the first time you met Jerry in person,
• 32:41
  but I think it was at the fire pits.
• 32:42
  Oh, it was great, he said. He said, I'll never forget what
• 32:45
  he said to me. He said, hey, can I borrow your
• 32:46
  lighter? And that was it.
• 32:47
  That's all he said to me all night.
• 32:48
  It was really a wonderful moment.
• 32:51
  It was great. Now I was talking.
• 32:53
  I was sitting next to James Marsden.
• 32:55
  I was having a great conversation with him.
• 32:56
  But yes, the first night I met Seinfeld.
• 32:58
  That's what he said to me. He's done a couple of films,
• 33:01
  right. I think I know the name.
• 33:02
  Marston. Yeah.
• 33:03
  One or two. One or two.
• 33:04
  Yeah. He's a Sonic the Hedgehog.
• 33:05
  He's he's a big, he's a big Sonic.
• 33:06
  That's where I know I'm from. That's what it is.
• 33:09
  Well, but where was it when Jerry turned to you?
• 33:12
  And he goes, oh, you're Lieberman.
• 33:13
  Was it that same night? Oh, no, no, no.
• 33:16
  OK, that that's a funny story. No, that's the one I'm thinking
• 33:20
  of. It wasn't night, It was day.
• 33:21
  No. So, so, yeah, I might have been
• 33:23
  earlier that day or maybe it's the next day.
• 33:25
  But there's this car. It's it's, it's at the Mercedes
• 33:29
  classic Center and it's, it doesn't really have a name, but
• 33:32
  it's like a it's like an E60 AMG Ren sport thing mashup that was
• 33:38
  made for Seinfeld, like he did like a Mercedes commercial.
• 33:41
  And rather than pay them, pay him money, they built a car for
• 33:45
  him. And this car has been on talked
• 33:47
  about on spikes podcast like ad nauseam.
• 33:49
  But and so it was it was just hopped up sedan real fast and it
• 33:55
  had a really weird interior, which apparently Jerry was
• 33:58
  eating oatmeal and blueberries for breakfast.
• 34:02
  And they said sang feels what color do you want the interior?
• 34:05
  And he said like oatmeal and blueberries.
• 34:07
  So they it's got this weird like Bush grey with like it's the
• 34:13
  only Mercedes I believe in the world that has blueberry colored
• 34:16
  leather. It's actually blueberry and it's
• 34:19
  quite blueberry. Yeah, blueberry accents.
• 34:22
  And anyhow, Jerry had the car for a while and then he said he
• 34:28
  offered it to Spike, or Spike bought, I don't remember, as it
• 34:30
  came to California and Spike's people were prepping it and they
• 34:35
  were just cutting or using a razor blade and getting
• 34:37
  everything off the window. And there was apparently some
• 34:40
  sticker which made the car registerable, able to be
• 34:44
  registered in New York, and it was removed.
• 34:47
  And then Spike opened the door and he saw the sill plates at JS
• 34:50
  and he's like, yeah, I don't want this part.
• 34:52
  There's a Jerry money back. I don't want the car.
• 34:54
  So the car goes back to New York and Jerry Spike told me Jerry's
• 34:58
  been mad at him twice. And I can't tell you what the
• 35:00
  first one was, but the second one was because he took that
• 35:03
  sticker off and like Jerry now had a car he couldn't register.
• 35:08
  And I forget the whole story, but it wound up in in Mexico.
• 35:14
  And it wound up at like Mercedes of Mexico.
• 35:16
  But it wound up because, you know, it could be registered in
• 35:18
  Mexico, just not in the US because it was never
• 35:21
  federalized. But it had some, like,
• 35:23
  temporary, you know, make an exception sticker, which was
• 35:26
  removed. No way to get another one.
• 35:29
  Anyhow, the car made its way back from Mexico to San Diego, I
• 35:32
  think. And then the classic center out
• 35:34
  here in California got a hold of it.
• 35:36
  So now it lives there. They brought it to Pebble.
• 35:39
  And I knew of this car, and I think Mercedes said it was a
• 35:42
  Seinfeld car. So I told Spike.
• 35:43
  He's like, oh, my God, you have it.
• 35:44
  Like you have to show it to Jerry, you know, so, and I was
• 35:51
  like, great, I have it, I'll meet him.
• 35:52
  And we met at at Spanish Bay at like, you know, 10 AM or
• 35:55
  whatever it was. And like, you know, I, he was,
• 36:00
  he was actually standing there with Zuckerman.
• 36:01
  And I walked up and I was like, hey, you're Seinfeld, right?
• 36:05
  And joking. And he's like, yeah, you're
• 36:06
  Lieberman, right? Something I don't remember that
• 36:08
  joke, something like that. And then we went and talked to
• 36:11
  the car. But what I learned very quickly
• 36:13
  was that you don't want to actually ever be around Jerry in
• 36:16
  public because he's ultra famous.
• 36:19
  He's not a famous person. He's an ultra famous person that
• 36:22
  everybody had in their living room for a decade.
• 36:24
  So they, they, they feel very, very familiar.
• 36:27
  And so while you're mid conversation, everybody,
• 36:29
  especially rich guys, walk up and go, oh, hey, Jerry, remember
• 36:33
  it was it was 1998. You were staying in the corner
• 36:35
  of 1st St. and 2nd Ave. and I was eating a Raisin bagel and
• 36:38
  you said you like my shoe. And Jerry's like what?
• 36:41
  You know, So it wasn't a very good conversation.
• 36:45
  Yeah. Outside of school to hear him
• 36:47
  telling me about the car. So, yeah, well, we got to see
• 36:49
  that car. What ring, I think or no, in the
• 36:53
  fall at the Classic Center. Yeah.
• 36:55
  Me and you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:56
  Yep. And it had, it had Jerry's old
• 36:58
  cell phone number in it. Yeah.
• 37:00
  And Larry Davids and everybody. 'S yeah, that's probably the
• 37:03
  same number still Larry Davids, right?
• 37:05
  It's. Not we actually had to quite
• 37:07
  double check everything. It's not, but it was all the
• 37:09
  original numbers and like the phone, like it turns on but it
• 37:14
  can't call out because it's like a 2G and just like 2 networks
• 37:18
  are gone or whatever. It's not supported.
• 37:20
  But for a moment powers up and yeah, if you can.
• 37:23
  Yeah, for a minute. We the because we were there
• 37:26
  with Mike Koons, who Ryan, you know, and Nate Lander, who is
• 37:30
  the magician shop extraordinaire restorer, and we all kind of
• 37:36
  went, wait a minute, we could call.
• 37:37
  Whoever's in the phone. Just what they want, yeah,
• 37:40
  right. You remember what a status
• 37:42
  symbol that was to have a phone in the car with a little like
• 37:45
  curly wire antenna. And I mean, it was just.
• 37:49
  I mean, I remember. Fake ones.
• 37:50
  I remember the brick phones. Yeah, I remember in the 70s, my
• 37:54
  neighbor Al, who was some kind of mafia dude, had a had a
• 37:58
  Cadillac that had it was, it was, it was like a coupe
• 38:01
  Deville, but he had one of those like limo boomerang antennas on
• 38:04
  the back. And he had like he just had a
• 38:06
  phone. It was just literally like a
• 38:08
  white old corded phone wired in the car.
• 38:11
  He would, he would drive to to Vegas constantly and he talked
• 38:16
  on the phone. And yeah, I was like 4 years
• 38:19
  old. But I remember being like very
• 38:21
  aware that, like, you know, Mike had this red Cadillac with red
• 38:25
  leather and it had a phone and it was really cool.
• 38:27
  Yeah, that would leave an impression.
• 38:29
  Yeah, I was very, I was very aware of cars at that point.
• 38:32
  But like, I'd never seen a phone in a car that was like.
• 38:35
  That is. Crazy.
• 38:36
  That's the next level of that. But was it I was thinking about,
• 38:40
  because I've been able to walk the lawn at Pebble with you a
• 38:43
  few times and I think last year, was it a Cadillac that was 24
• 38:48
  feet long? No, that was a couple years ago.
• 38:50
  It was a 27 footer that was AV16 coupe, unless you're thinking
• 38:56
  there was there was a there was like a crazy Mercedes that was
• 38:59
  like hell along the customer Mercedes.
• 39:02
  But yeah, it was a custom. It was a 2 door, 4 door because
• 39:06
  it was a 2 door Cadillac that I think it was 27 feet.
• 39:09
  It was a 31. I think it was a 4 door
• 39:13
  convertible and it had been custom.
• 39:15
  OK, That was not a Cadillac. That was some customer Mercedes.
• 39:18
  I think it was insane. Yeah.
• 39:19
  That was, Yeah, that was totally, totally bizarro.
• 39:22
  Yeah, yeah, Yeah. That was.
• 39:23
  And I think it was wider, too. Like, it was, I mean, it looked,
• 39:26
  it was humongous. It was.
• 39:27
  It was an oversized car, Yeah, but there was an even bigger
• 39:30
  Cadillac V16 coupe that in a perfect world would have won.
• 39:35
  It didn't win because like it wasn't a perfect restoration
• 39:37
  blah blah judge bullshit, but it was the IT was the most elegant
• 39:41
  car there by about 10 feet, so should have won.
• 39:45
  Yeah. So you do like old cars?
• 39:48
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 39:49
  So when are we going to get you on the Colorado grand?
• 39:51
  Speaking of Mike Coons, is this something you've ever wanted to
• 39:54
  do? Sure.
• 39:56
  Yeah, It's not a new guy. I mean, I, I would do it.
• 40:01
  I mean, you know, I would need someone to like, fly me out
• 40:04
  there, put me up, give me a car. But yeah, I'd do it.
• 40:06
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 40:08
  So am I staying a node for right people, my standard list of
• 40:11
  demands, Yeah. And I have to drive.
• 40:13
  I don't want to navigate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:16
  But yeah, sure, yeah. OK, excellent.
• 40:18
  Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm qualified.
• 40:20
  I I drove the Millie Mia or whatever.
• 40:22
  He did. Yeah.
• 40:24
  Well, then this is yeah. And that, I mean, that's
• 40:26
  hardcore. This is more of a gentleman's
• 40:28
  event. Yeah.
• 40:28
  So that's. I'm not a gentleman, but I'm
• 40:30
  pretty hardcore, so yeah. Tell us about that though.
• 40:34
  What's what's that like to drive?
• 40:36
  Oh, what's the greatest experience on planet Earth like?
• 40:38
  Well, it is. Let's see, you go to a company
• 40:43
  ruled by passion and their love of racing, and 2 million people
• 40:51
  stand on the street and cheer for four days as you break every
• 40:55
  single traffic law in the country.
• 40:58
  And only in Italy, right? Only in Italy, there's nowhere
• 41:01
  else this could happen. But like grandmothers, like I
• 41:05
  remember afterwards I was, you know, flying somewhere and we're
• 41:13
  on the, you know, it's we're flying out of like, you know,
• 41:17
  Bologna to Rome to fly home. So we're on a little plane.
• 41:22
  So, you know, you have to take a bus to the plane, right?
• 41:24
  So we're in the bus and we're crammed in.
• 41:25
  I have my backpack on and my bag is tagged with, you know,
• 41:28
  millimeter competitor. And this like, I remember this
• 41:31
  old like old, like couldn't stand up.
• 41:34
  Grandmother was like looking at my bag and, and looking and she
• 41:38
  grabs the label and she's looking at it.
• 41:40
  She goes competition. And I was like, yeah.
• 41:43
  And she's like, she like wants a selfie and she's freaking out.
• 41:47
  And yeah, it's, I don't know where to start, but yeah, like
• 41:55
  they got 25 of the most handsome Italian bike cops in, in the
• 41:59
  country that like fucking Peacock.
• 42:02
  And they're very aware of who they are.
• 42:05
  And they're your escort and they lead you out of town.
• 42:07
  And if traffic's slow, they they, they, they ride up between
• 42:11
  cars and smack the roof to like, get them to part the way and.
• 42:14
  Just. Drive as hard as you can and
• 42:17
  people are holding up signs and say don't lift.
• 42:19
  And the the goal when we were in had a passenger horn, which is
• 42:24
  I've now seen two. There's the, the, the 56 going
• 42:27
  when we were in. And for some reason, Subaru's
• 42:30
  current rally car has a, the strongest car has a passenger a
• 42:34
  foot activated one. The, the Mercedes 1's a push
• 42:37
  one. And yeah, just every traffic
• 42:39
  circle is just lined with people.
• 42:41
  And, you know, you try and take it as fast as you can and
• 42:43
  meanwhile your navigator's just like honking the horn, you know,
• 42:46
  and like, it's insane. And you know, it's, it's the
• 42:49
  greatest. And like, you know, we we pull
• 42:52
  into Rome at, I don't know, 10:30 Saturday night and they
• 42:56
  have a little stage set up. And so you queue up and you
• 42:59
  drive up on the stage and you learn how to say, like, I love
• 43:01
  Italy, I love Italians. You're the greatest whatever 2
• 43:05
  phrases of Italian. The crowd goes crazy.
• 43:08
  Then they line you up and and they give you a police LED
• 43:11
  midnight tour of Rome and you're going to go wing.
• 43:15
  So you pop the doors open so you have a better view and you're
• 43:18
  just driving next to the Coliseum.
• 43:19
  Yeah, it's it's undescribable. Yeah.
• 43:22
  Yeah. It's incredible.
• 43:24
  My favorite moment of that, we went to Monza.
• 43:28
  And so it's a rally, right? So it's not a race, it's a
• 43:32
  rally. So you have these stupid special
• 43:33
  sections, which I hate, but you know, it's like go 37 kilometers
• 43:37
  an hour for 32 seconds, then go 41 kilometers an hour for five
• 43:41
  seconds. All that bullshit.
• 43:43
  Which, by the way, if you don't have an Italian passport, you're
• 43:45
  not going to win anyways. So.
• 43:49
  Anyway, yeah, but Mercedes being Mercedes, they got to do it
• 43:52
  better than everybody. So instead of just giving you a
• 43:55
  clipboard like a normal company would do, they they built an app
• 43:58
  on an iPad. Remember when iPads were all the
• 44:00
  rage? And what it, what it did was it
• 44:03
  had the sections and so the navigator would hit start and it
• 44:05
  would like visually countdown a bar graph and then you know, it
• 44:09
  would know when to start the next one, right.
• 44:13
  Which is great when there's like 4 parts of the special section.
• 44:19
  Monza had 7, which meant when it loaded, the top 2 got scrolled
• 44:24
  up like they were out of sight. So when my navigator hit start,
• 44:28
  he started on #3 So anyways, we're on Monza.
• 44:31
  We're doing that. We're on the old track with the
• 44:32
  banking, you know? And after like two or three, he
• 44:36
  realizes his mistake because it's not adding up.
• 44:38
  I have no idea what navigators do, but it's not adding up.
• 44:40
  And he's like, oh, my God, man, I ruined it.
• 44:43
  I've ruined it for you. We're going, you know, like 50
• 44:46
  kilometers an hour on the like, under the banking.
• 44:49
  And I'm like, oh, OK. And I just like roll on the
• 44:52
  throttle, pop up completely sideways on the banking pass
• 44:56
  everybody at 110 miles an hour. Amazing.
• 44:58
  Best moment of my life. Amazing, amazing, amazing A.
• 45:02
  Billion dollars worth of cars, you know, amazing.
• 45:04
  And yeah, it was, that was the best.
• 45:06
  And he was apologizing. I'm like, I don't care.
• 45:09
  I don't care. It's.
• 45:10
  The experience we always talk about like what our 12 year old
• 45:13
  selfs. Be proud of the people we are.
• 45:14
  Johnny, I'm turning 50 this year.
• 45:16
  I know you just turned 50, your 12 year old self.
• 45:19
  You know, I think I would be pretty proud.
• 45:20
  Nah, he'd think I was a horrible seller, actually. 12 year old,
• 45:23
  Yeah, my 16 year old self would be very upset.
• 45:25
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. My 12 year old would be pretty
• 45:27
  impressed. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 45:29
  Yeah, for sure. Well, so so 50.
• 45:30
  So I'm turning 50. You just turned 50.
• 45:32
  I know Lindsay's only halfway there.
• 45:34
  Don't do it. Don't do it.
• 45:37
  Big mistake. You're going to regret it.
• 45:39
  It's like you're blinking. Then you're 50.
• 45:41
  Like, I don't know where the time went.
• 45:43
  But yeah. What have, what have you
• 45:44
  learned? Like, what would you have done
• 45:46
  differently, if anything? Because it's, you know, you sort
• 45:48
  of seem to have it. Figured out I don't know Jesus,
• 45:51
  what would I have done different?
• 45:52
  I would have gone into like commercial real estate or.
• 45:55
  Finance. Something where I made a lot of
• 45:57
  money, just make a lot of money. I'm sick of, I'm sick of
• 46:00
  thinking about money. It's not that I'm like material.
• 46:02
  I just, I just don't want to think about it anymore.
• 46:04
  I don't want to. Like if I just want to sit on
• 46:07
  the couch for a week, fucking let me write it.
• 46:10
  Can't, can't do that. So yeah, I would make a lot more
• 46:14
  money, sadly, but or leave the country.
• 46:17
  Like move to Italy, man. Speaking of Italy.
• 46:20
  Becoming more and more. Eat lasagna.
• 46:23
  Yeah. I mean, the cars like.
• 46:25
  Yeah, yeah. What a life.
• 46:27
  Drive the Amelia. Amelia.
• 46:28
  Every year, all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:32
  Like this one. Yeah.
• 46:32
  I've learned nothing. And this.
• 46:34
  And you just feel worse and you're uglier and grayer and
• 46:37
  fatter and slower and tumber and there's no positives about
• 46:40
  turning 50. Nothing.
• 46:41
  Nothing. Yeah, yeah, I can confirm all
• 46:43
  this to be true and. Yeah, just wait.
• 46:46
  It's worse. It's worse than they say.
• 46:52
  Yeah. And it's like a big number.
• 46:53
  It ain't like. It is, I know I'm struggling
• 46:56
  with it. It's like once it hits you're
• 46:57
  like fuck. Yeah.
• 46:59
  Do you do anything crazy to celebrate or take your mind off
• 47:03
  it or anything? No, when I went out to dinner
• 47:06
  with friend. Yeah, yeah.
• 47:08
  You're like, and here we are. Yeah, yeah.
• 47:11
  Like, I haven't cared about birthdays since I was 30.
• 47:16
  And I, I remember I for some reason, I was like, it was a big
• 47:18
  deal turning 30 and then I turned 30 and like, it's just
• 47:22
  whatever, you know? And, and I know, I know, stop
• 47:24
  thinking about birthdays. So I just, I, I, I'm just really
• 47:28
  bad with like anniversaries and stuff like that.
• 47:30
  I, I just don't care. So yeah.
• 47:32
  Can't do anything about it, you know.
• 47:34
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean it beats the alternative
• 47:37
  though. That's truly true, right?
• 47:40
  I mean, does it? I'm kind of, I'm getting tired.
• 47:44
  I remember a few years ago I had two grandparents say to me like,
• 47:49
  don't get old. It's not worth it.
• 47:50
  And I'm like, but a we don't have a choice.
• 47:55
  And if it's the alternative, at least, you know, I'll let you
• 47:57
  know if that perspective changes.
• 47:59
  But but, and this so, you know, this kind of ties in with as you
• 48:06
  get older, what you're learning and whatever with your career,
• 48:11
  there's so much travel involved and you have opportunities that
• 48:15
  keep you on the road a lot or keep things busy.
• 48:19
  Do you ever feel like you're getting burned out with doing
• 48:24
  all these things? Or is it no, no, no, no.
• 48:26
  I'm shaking my head no, Oh, no, no, no.
• 48:28
  The opposite. I wish I was doing more.
• 48:30
  I, I really, yeah, I, I love it. I like I said, I just, I just in
• 48:36
  the last month about I did the F80 in Italy and then I went to
• 48:42
  Utah and I drove a bunch of stuff including a 9/11 73911 Rs
• 48:49
  lightweight, which is. Oh, so good.
• 48:51
  Very good. Yeah, kind of one of the
• 48:53
  greatest things ever made. Yeah, I drove that.
• 48:56
  I drove a Aston Martin Valor, which is rad, like rad.
• 49:00
  Great car. I went to the Festival of Speed.
• 49:05
  Didn't get to drive anything, sadly, but that was fun.
• 49:07
  Went to it, went over there. Goodwood.
• 49:10
  Goodwood's always amazing. Yeah.
• 49:12
  And, and then I went and I drove the Temerario and I didn't even
• 49:15
  talked about it. But I also went to France right
• 49:17
  after Portugal and drove the Bugatti Mistral, which is the
• 49:22
  final boss of Hypercars. It is it.
• 49:25
  Is. The one it is now, was that the
• 49:27
  blue one that it was like a royal ish blue?
• 49:30
  Yeah, it was exposed blue carbon fiber, which photographed very
• 49:33
  well on my little iPhone with orange wheels and a perfect
• 49:37
  interior. And that is the car, that is the
• 49:41
  daddy that is. Like.
• 49:43
  Yeah, that's if I had a lot of money on buying that car.
• 49:47
  Had you gone into commercial real estate and found yourself?
• 49:51
  Absolutely, Absolutely I would have.
• 49:54
  You can't seriously picture yourself doing anything but what
• 49:56
  you're doing right? I could be rich and just have a
• 50:01
  bunch of cars and not have to do these.
• 50:03
  Things. But isn't this better?
• 50:04
  Isn't this life better? Nah, Nah, Nah.
• 50:08
  I would love, I would love to own that Mistral man.
• 50:11
  Yeah, That's that's that's a real car, as we say.
• 50:17
  Well, that's saying something because like you said, I was
• 50:20
  going to. Real money too.
• 50:23
  Yeah, it's like 5 and a half million before options.
• 50:25
  I'm sorry, Lindsay, what was that?
• 50:26
  No, even after doing this as long as you have, you said like
• 50:29
  the last month has been particularly epic and you've had
• 50:33
  some pretty epic experiences. So I don't know if it's
• 50:35
  particularly epic, kind of normal epic.
• 50:37
  And by the way, in between that, I forget the cars I was driving
• 50:40
  when I was here, but like, I know there was like a Sterato
• 50:43
  and I drove the M5 Touring and I, the bunch of balls were when
• 50:47
  I was back home, I was driving stuff.
• 50:49
  So no, no, no, I I I'm not burnt out at all.
• 50:53
  The opposite. I'm hungry for much more.
• 50:55
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 50:56
  Well, that's a good. I mean, that means you're
• 50:58
  enjoying the work. Oh, absolutely.
• 51:00
  Yeah. And the other thing too, is, you
• 51:02
  know, oh, my alarm's going off. Oh, yes, it's time.
• 51:08
  I bought, I bought, I bought a lot of tickets today.
• 51:09
  So that's wrongs right now. But there comes your Bugatti.
• 51:14
  It's going to happen, hey. I'm saying here, I'm buying a
• 51:19
  Mistral. It's Mistral time, guys.
• 51:22
  Mistral money. If I win 340 million, I'm going
• 51:24
  to take 5 1/2 of that and get me a Mistral.
• 51:27
  Yeah, for sure. Absolutely.
• 51:28
  I mean, at that point, maybe you get 2, Like, come on.
• 51:32
  Nah. Doesn't have a roof, you know,
• 51:34
  so. Right.
• 51:35
  Yeah, but that's OK. Doesn't rain a lot here.
• 51:39
  But I'm sorry, what was the question?
• 51:40
  I got the alarm, set me off. We got distracted.
• 51:43
  We got distracted. Planning your future Mistral
• 51:45
  ownership. Hey, I figure I know that Edwin
• 51:48
  Castro guy pretty good. He he's the only one.
• 51:50
  Like. 1.8 billion and he just bought cars and houses.
• 51:54
  I would pretty much do the same thing.
• 51:56
  I I can't imagine much, you know, maybe a couple of watches
• 51:59
  or something stupid, but yeah, I know we'll see.
• 52:02
  There's a question there. I totally my alarm ruined it.
• 52:05
  It's all good. Speaking of Speaking of watches,
• 52:08
  what are you wearing tonight? Yeah, yeah, I've got.
• 52:11
  Yeah. Hey.
• 52:13
  Jiffy party. Very nice.
• 52:15
  I like that watching very much. Yes, yes.
• 52:18
  I love that one. This is the Leno thing, Jay.
• 52:22
  Leno Driving Wash is kind of a fun camo horse.
• 52:26
  Strap on it. Yeah, this is.
• 52:29
  I'm kind of into it now. I gotta send this one back to
• 52:32
  Jay because it can't keep time for shit, but I really like how
• 52:35
  it looks. It just runs fast.
• 52:37
  I've never had a watch like you wind it up after an hour.
• 52:40
  It's 5 minutes fast. It's.
• 52:41
  Weird. Yeah.
• 52:42
  It heard that you don't like getting old and you're kind of
• 52:44
  over it, so it's like work to speed things up.
• 52:47
  Yeah, probably. Something would anybody one that
• 52:49
  goes the other has the other problem please?
• 52:51
  Just work bad, yeah. Great watch.
• 52:53
  Great watch. Great watch.
• 52:55
  Jay is the best. He is such a cool guy, true
• 52:58
  enthusiast, great guy. We just found out today that
• 53:00
  we'll be working with him again, so we're very excited about
• 53:03
  that. So thank you, Jay, you know, a
• 53:06
  big fan of the watches and he's he's a great guest too.
• 53:08
  He was great on spikes. He's just, he's a neat guy, so.
• 53:12
  Yeah. I think we've all been lucky
• 53:14
  enough to spend some time with him and he's just cool and he's
• 53:17
  so generous. I mean I.
• 53:18
  Just really is he's. Got to stop.
• 53:20
  I've got black divers, yeah. It's, oh I know, out of control.
• 53:24
  Out of control. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 53:27
  Do you have time to take some listener questions?
• 53:29
  I got all the time you. Want to do that, Lindsay?
• 53:31
  Should we go to the listeners? We can do that and we pull those
• 53:34
  up. Do you do you know Dan Mcinnis?
• 53:37
  Is that name familiar to you? OK, He they mentioned him from.
• 53:41
  Good vibes. He's the one that won the blue
• 53:43
  GT4 the night. Oh, Dan.
• 53:45
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, quite. A lot of that, yeah, Dan, Yeah,
• 53:49
  yeah. Just hit 100,000 miles on his
• 53:51
  green spider this week. So good for you.
• 53:54
  Yeah. Well, he drives to LA every day.
• 53:57
  So right. I know why.
• 54:00
  Doesn't he just? Move.
• 54:01
  I don't get the people. Like that or well, you know,
• 54:03
  'cause. That's.
• 54:04
  Pretty well what he drives to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 54:07
  yeah. He's gonna be on the grand this
• 54:10
  year. He's got this amazing alpha,
• 54:11
  this Julia Sprint Speciale, which will be great.
• 54:14
  He's gonna drive with his dad, so but he wants to know how you
• 54:18
  manage saying yes to doing things and not getting burned
• 54:20
  out or is the work reward enough?
• 54:22
  And I think you kind of answered this before.
• 54:25
  They still enjoy it, right? It's.
• 54:27
  Yeah, I don't understand this burnout thing.
• 54:30
  Like who's burning out? Like people like, you know, if
• 54:32
  you're like working out in the sun, like, you know, without a
• 54:35
  hat or something, maybe you burn out or, I don't know,
• 54:38
  spreadsheets or something. That sucks, but like like Gee, I
• 54:42
  had to fly to Portugal business class, stay in a hotel, drive a
• 54:47
  907 horsepower car on an old F1 track.
• 54:52
  Ah, darn it out. I mean like.
• 54:54
  That is the dream, yeah. It's.
• 54:56
  Yeah, now look, did I have a fucking travel day coming?
• 55:02
  So let's say I woke up in France, in Strasbourg, and then
• 55:07
  we drove to Switzerland and we flew to Lisbon where we had a
• 55:10
  four hour layover and then flew to DC because Lamborghini
• 55:14
  friggin cheaped out and bought us the cheapest plane tickets
• 55:17
  possible. And we got to DC and had a 5
• 55:20
  hour layover with no lounge, which turned into a six hour
• 55:23
  layover. And man, that sucked.
• 55:27
  That was a 27 hour travel day. I slept most of the way.
• 55:31
  And it was. Yeah.
• 55:32
  Yeah. Well, so tell me about the pink
• 55:35
  Audi that you saw in Strasbourg, because that was apparently it
• 55:38
  was like Jacques Villeneuve's. That was, it was Jacques
• 55:42
  Villeneuve really in the car? Yeah.
• 55:45
  But everybody tagged him. Apparently that was there.
• 55:47
  I I didn't look, I I looked at the photo.
• 55:49
  Obviously I wasn't looking at the driver, but I looked at that
• 55:51
  photo and I took and he looked and it's at the back of his head
• 55:54
  is like, man, you know, white guy with Gray hair and
• 55:59
  apparently. Yeah, in a pink, in a Barbie
• 56:03
  pink Audi. Yeah.
• 56:05
  It was like totally insane. It was in front of a church,
• 56:08
  like Caddy corner from our hotel.
• 56:10
  We were, we literally were pulling the bags out of the car
• 56:14
  and I was like, oh, I'm just gonna get a picture real fast.
• 56:16
  You're like, look at that. Yeah.
• 56:18
  It was just a cool shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 56:21
  Like and especially the contrast of the pink against like the
• 56:25
  historic building, you know, it was just the picture was really
• 56:28
  cool. I should have got a better
• 56:29
  picture of the church. It was a particularly nice
• 56:31
  church. It was like super, I don't know
• 56:34
  what you call it, not not Gothic, but Middle Ages.
• 56:37
  It was, you know, just that that architecture style, like the
• 56:41
  14-15 hundred style church still there, you know, so like the
• 56:45
  Germany kind of Middle Ages thing, even though Strasbourg's
• 56:49
  technically in France wasn't always in France, right.
• 56:53
  They like to mix it up. Yeah, yeah.
• 56:55
  Every couple 100 years, right. They're like, we're gonna just
• 56:58
  yeah. So our friend John Dicey said
• 57:00
  when are you coming back to Pikes?
• 57:03
  Yeah, Look, how much time do you have?
• 57:07
  It's not time. That's a money thing.
• 57:09
  I can make the time. That's a that's just a cash
• 57:12
  thing. And it's just like, you know,
• 57:16
  like if I could get a ride with like Hyundai, I should actually
• 57:20
  just call Hyundai and pitch this.
• 57:21
  But like Hyundai, if Hyundai is here first, gives me, yeah,
• 57:25
  actually, I think I've said it somewhere else before.
• 57:26
  But anyways, it's a it's a, it's a, you know, it's a putting it
• 57:30
  out there type of plan, right? Yeah.
• 57:33
  Hyundai said, hey, you could drive an ionic like up the hill,
• 57:37
  you know, that would, that would be cool.
• 57:39
  And then they could just pay for everything.
• 57:40
  But you know, when I did it, I think I raised $58,000 in
• 57:45
  sponsorship money and I my total I spent was 75,000.
• 57:50
  So now part of that was because the motherfuckers that visit
• 57:56
  Cayman Island yanked their sponsorship.
• 57:58
  Nasty race. Yeah.
• 58:00
  They were like, Oh well, oh, so checks in the mail and then race
• 58:02
  is over and I'm like, hey, I need the money.
• 58:04
  And they're like, yeah. And fuck that.
• 58:07
  That's. Yeah.
• 58:08
  So, you know, you know, that's that was, I'm still upset about
• 58:12
  that. But yeah, so I went out of
• 58:13
  pocket. I'm sorry, Cayman Islands, the
• 58:15
  home of shell companies and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 58:21
  Those ethical morally. But the lesson here is don't
• 58:25
  visit Cayman Islands. And then we worked out, yeah,
• 58:28
  well, it was just one of these weird things where Porsche had
• 58:30
  given me the car, but they're like, we sort of had this deal
• 58:33
  going with visit Cayman Islands this year.
• 58:35
  Could you leave half delivery on the car, visit Cayman Islands
• 58:39
  and they'll they'll pay for XY and Z.
• 58:41
  And I was like, yeah, that's great.
• 58:44
  And then they didn't. So it really owes me and yeah,
• 58:48
  so 17,000 out of pocket, which it sucked.
• 58:53
  So yeah, it's not a great money drive for me.
• 58:56
  I'm not, I'm just, I'm just not that wealthy.
• 58:58
  I. Wish I was just, you know.
• 59:00
  So, yeah, so. Hey, Hyundai is listening and
• 59:02
  that was actually the next question.
• 59:04
  Curtains on Instagram. Yeah.
• 59:06
  When do we see an EV run? So I guess.
• 59:08
  That would I would love to do an EV.
• 59:09
  I would do anything other than what I what I drove.
• 59:13
  Yeah, I wanna, I wanna front drive turbo or an EV.
• 59:15
  Yeah, that would that would be. Well, that's.
• 59:17
  Let's talk about what you drove because I am a huge fan of the
• 59:20
  GT4. I know that you were less than
• 59:22
  impressed at altitude. It's.
• 59:23
  A great car everywhere, but Pikes Peak, Yeah.
• 59:25
  Yeah, that's it. Yeah.
• 59:26
  No, it's just, I look, it's a naturally aspirated, you know, 6
• 59:31
  cylinder that, you know, 415 horsepower stock, which isn't a
• 59:35
  lot for Pikes Peak, Yeah, but at the top of the mountain, it's
• 59:38
  making 252 horsepower. So it's it's pretty gutless, you
• 59:44
  know, could I have handled a faster car?
• 59:45
  Yeah, I think I could have, but that wasn't so much the problem
• 59:49
  though. It was just that it's, you know,
• 59:50
  there's 23 hairpins and so there's 23, you know, first gear
• 59:57
  hairpins in a rear drive car. And like you just, you want
• 1:00:00
  something yanking you out of the corners.
• 1:00:01
  This is why, This is why with the exception of like the, the,
• 1:00:05
  the real purpose built, like, you know, in the F1 looking
• 1:00:09
  things, everything's all-wheel drive because it helps, it
• 1:00:12
  really does help pull me off those slow corners.
• 1:00:16
  So yeah, look, and the car was absolutely awesome.
• 1:00:20
  And, you know, it was, you know, I but really I'm, I'm just sort
• 1:00:24
  of bitter because my run was totally fogged in.
• 1:00:27
  Oh, that's right. Yeah, shortchanged.
• 1:00:29
  Bizarre weather. Yeah.
• 1:00:30
  Yeah, it's cuz like, it just, you know, not that I was gonna
• 1:00:33
  win my class cuz, you know, Lonnie Unser was ahead of me,
• 1:00:36
  but also freaking. What's his face?
• 1:00:40
  Oh, God, I can see his face. OK.
• 1:00:41
  Cam. Cam Ingram.
• 1:00:42
  Oh, yeah. Who was like a man possessed
• 1:00:45
  that year. This is the most incredible,
• 1:00:47
  really the most incredible run of the year.
• 1:00:49
  I don't know what got into him. Yeah, but.
• 1:00:53
  But, but in practice, I was like a solid, you know, 3rd.
• 1:00:56
  And I came in fourth. And it was just, in my mind, it
• 1:00:59
  was the fog. I I just.
• 1:01:01
  Slowed down, No, I that's a yeah.
• 1:01:03
  You had a great run though, SO. I mean, I had AI had a if you
• 1:01:07
  look at, if you look at making excuses, if you look at the
• 1:01:10
  bottom sector times where it wasn't foggy, I was doing
• 1:01:12
  really, really well. I wasn't, you know, here's the
• 1:01:15
  crazy thing. If you look and I don't remember
• 1:01:16
  the numbers, but like Randy Pope's was in the Tesla Model S
• 1:01:20
  and I wasn't that far off his time on the bottom section.
• 1:01:23
  But then once the fog hit, I was very slow, you know, 4th place
• 1:01:28
  out of six, you know, in my class it was OK.
• 1:01:32
  But but it was it was, it was, it was two things.
• 1:01:34
  It was like a bad run or just, you know, and I'm sitting at the
• 1:01:37
  top and I'm sitting next to like Zwart Randy Post, Reece Mill and
• 1:01:41
  Rod Mill and David Donahue. David, David, you know, king of
• 1:01:44
  the mountain guy. Donna, thank you.
• 1:01:47
  And and like 2 centuries collectively have experienced a
• 1:01:51
  big peak. And they're like, oh, yeah,
• 1:01:53
  that's the worst we've ever seen it.
• 1:01:55
  I'm like, great. Just so the rookie wants to hear
• 1:01:57
  right. Yeah.
• 1:01:59
  Well then this year I think they only did the very bottom
• 1:02:02
  section. That sucks that really they said
• 1:02:05
  it was wind. Yeah, which is crazy.
• 1:02:08
  Well, they were saying the aero cars would.
• 1:02:10
  Get blown off well. That's it.
• 1:02:12
  OK. You don't want that.
• 1:02:13
  You want to avoid that. Yeah.
• 1:02:15
  Yeah. But it's just it's extreme
• 1:02:18
  weather. I mean, we had, you know, I had
• 1:02:20
  two weeks of practice there and beautiful everyday sun, perfect
• 1:02:25
  weather. And then, yeah, you know, you're
• 1:02:27
  done. Friday, Saturday night, 10
• 1:02:28
  inches of snow. And then wake up on Sunday
• 1:02:30
  morning, it's raining and foggy and you're driving through snow.
• 1:02:35
  Yeah, the rain is melting, but still driving through snow.
• 1:02:37
  So it was just, it was just the mountain has a different agenda
• 1:02:41
  than the race. Well, shout out to Fred Veach
• 1:02:43
  and that crew and our friends at Porsche of Colorado.
• 1:02:46
  I'll tell you a funny Fred story.
• 1:02:48
  Yeah, so. He's he's quite a guy, he's
• 1:02:51
  quite a character, so. Quite a character is an
• 1:02:53
  understatement. So Fred, if you can picture like
• 1:02:56
  a a larger, heavier Jeremy Clarkson, who's that's Fred.
• 1:03:00
  Well, this very large man who's introduced to me is like, oh,
• 1:03:04
  this is the guy who runs everything and he goes,
• 1:03:07
  Lieberman, you motherfucker. Excuse me.
• 1:03:11
  He's like, I've been #73 since 1973.
• 1:03:15
  And you, they gave me my number, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:03:18
  And I was like, oh gosh, I had no idea.
• 1:03:20
  And also, you know, like my mom just died.
• 1:03:23
  And when I played football my freshman year, I was 73.
• 1:03:26
  And I always hated it. And I changed it to 77.
• 1:03:29
  And for years my mom was always like, I like 73.
• 1:03:32
  So when I was thinking of a number, I said, oh, my mom just
• 1:03:35
  died. I'll go with that.
• 1:03:37
  And he's like, that's my fucking number.
• 1:03:41
  You think he'd be in a position to do something about it, but
• 1:03:43
  that's what. I told him, but yeah, he was
• 1:03:46
  furious. But that's amazing.
• 1:03:48
  That's. Yeah, that's amazing.
• 1:03:50
  It's very nice to me. And the larger context is that,
• 1:03:54
  yes, it's full of provincial weirdos out there.
• 1:03:59
  Well, that's the whole thing. We're not.
• 1:04:00
  Normal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:04:03
  yeah. Those people have been doing it
• 1:04:04
  for generations and it's a it's a very unique event for better.
• 1:04:09
  Course. So it's yeah.
• 1:04:11
  Yeah, Yeah. Well.
• 1:04:12
  That's what I think a lot of people don't realize is the way
• 1:04:14
  that you get to practice is you only get a section.
• 1:04:17
  You never get to do the entire course right until the race.
• 1:04:21
  Yeah, Yeah. That's that's the weirdest
• 1:04:23
  thing. Well, I mean, look, first of
• 1:04:24
  all, if you haven't, I'm sure you've you've had if you had
• 1:04:26
  other people talking about Pikes on the show, No.
• 1:04:29
  No, we. Haven't actually here's your
• 1:04:31
  practice days of Pikes alarm goes off at 2:20 AM you're down
• 1:04:36
  at the shop where the car is at 3:00 AM you're loaded on the
• 1:04:39
  trailer to 330 start making way up the mountain.
• 1:04:41
  They open the gate at I want to say like 4:15 AM.
• 1:04:46
  You trudge up to the, the, the, whatever the parking lot where
• 1:04:50
  you start and that's like 9300 feet and drivers meeting is like
• 1:04:55
  4:55 AM and green flag at 5:00 AM and you run your third.
• 1:05:01
  You're only running a third. So one day you run like the
• 1:05:05
  bottom. One day you run the middle, one
• 1:05:06
  day you're on the top and vice versa.
• 1:05:08
  And because they don't want us idiots crashing into each other,
• 1:05:11
  they put like a quarter mile buffer between the the sections.
• 1:05:15
  So there's like a good half mile of the course that you never run
• 1:05:18
  in practice ever, ever, ever. You never, ever drive it in
• 1:05:21
  practice. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:23
  Well, that's like a fun surprise.
• 1:05:26
  Yeah, yeah. And then and then red, red flag
• 1:05:28
  at 8:30, meaning you're done, you know, you're off.
• 1:05:31
  And then you have to be out of the parking lot where you're
• 1:05:34
  parked by 9:00 AM because then it's a public road and you do
• 1:05:38
  that every day for a couple days in a row.
• 1:05:40
  So it's a real like like training yourself to go to bed
• 1:05:42
  by 7:00 PM. What I what I did was like as
• 1:05:46
  soon as we were done racing, I would just start consuming like
• 1:05:50
  600 milligrams of caffeine and I would just be wired all day to
• 1:05:55
  make sure I didn't fall asleep. And then I would eat like 3 or
• 1:05:58
  4000 calorie dinner and put on a Roger Moore James Bond film
• 1:06:01
  which would knock me unconscious in 5 minutes because they're.
• 1:06:04
  So bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:06
  That was my protocol. Totally worth.
• 1:06:08
  That's great. That's excellent.
• 1:06:09
  That's excellent. Was it terrifying?
• 1:06:12
  I mean, because there are, you know, it was manageable.
• 1:06:16
  No, like I could see how it could be terrifying, Sure, but
• 1:06:24
  yeah, you're just driving. You know, I think like the three
• 1:06:32
  to me don't have 4, but there's three tricky things about Pikes
• 1:06:37
  Peak and it's it's it's the same thing three times.
• 1:06:39
  There are corners that look just like other corners.
• 1:06:42
  So famously there's engineers corner.
• 1:06:44
  Less famously, there's rookie corner, because rookie corner
• 1:06:47
  looks just like engineer, but it's much slower and so rookies
• 1:06:50
  tend to crash in rookie corner. There's a Pope's pond where
• 1:06:57
  Randy Pope's famously flew 300 feet over a pond.
• 1:07:00
  He missed the pond. And then that faster pastor guy
• 1:07:03
  crashed into the pond, post pond, pastor's pond or whatever.
• 1:07:08
  But that corner, that Randy flow, I almost did it too.
• 1:07:11
  I just wasn't going as fast as he was.
• 1:07:13
  But like in practice, it looks just like another, literally
• 1:07:16
  just like another corner. And then there's the Evo corner,
• 1:07:20
  which there's there's up in the middle section where it's the
• 1:07:23
  real precipitous drops where that Evo went off in 2012.
• 1:07:30
  There's three corners that look exactly the same, but the third
• 1:07:33
  one is much, much tighter. It visually looks identical.
• 1:07:37
  You just have to know where you are and just like, get off of
• 1:07:40
  the right, get over to the left because it's, it's just, you
• 1:07:42
  can't do it. And which I drove in complete
• 1:07:46
  fog, but luckily I had the course memorized.
• 1:07:48
  And then the other one, I think it's kind of hard is and but you
• 1:07:50
  learn it up up near the top. It's like the third corner from
• 1:07:53
  the top or 4th corner. It's called cog cut corner.
• 1:07:56
  So there's that cog train. Yes, it goes up and it's like
• 1:07:59
  when you're on the road, it's the last place you can see the
• 1:08:02
  cog track before you get to the top.
• 1:08:04
  And just because it's so you know, just the terrain up there,
• 1:08:08
  it's so bumpy and frozen and those those water trucks have to
• 1:08:11
  bring all the water up and the buses are just ruining the road.
• 1:08:14
  It's really, really bumpy in that section and the mountains
• 1:08:17
  shifting under it all the time. So it's a big, big straight with
• 1:08:21
  a bumpy braking zone. So your your front end tends to
• 1:08:24
  get airborne. So you're on the brakes, but the
• 1:08:26
  wheels aren't in contact with the pavement and a lot of people
• 1:08:29
  crash there and hit the hit the train track and that that's
• 1:08:34
  tricky. I almost went off, but you know,
• 1:08:36
  then you're like, oh, I should take a different line because
• 1:08:40
  it's just a longer braking zone than it.
• 1:08:41
  Looks like it would be right, right, Right.
• 1:08:44
  Yeah. I just think it's the coolest
• 1:08:45
  thing that you did it. I mean, it's, it's just that's,
• 1:08:48
  you know. Yeah, I mean, my, my, my
• 1:08:50
  favorite story, and I should tell this more often, but like,
• 1:08:52
  it was like the day before I was leaving to get on the plane.
• 1:08:55
  You guys know who Eddie Alterman is?
• 1:08:57
  Sure. I know the name.
• 1:08:59
  Yeah. Eddie.
• 1:08:59
  Eddie used to be the editor in chief of Car and Driver.
• 1:09:03
  And I was like the head of car content at Hearst or something.
• 1:09:06
  But he sends me a fucking text and he goes like, hey, man, like
• 1:09:09
  enjoy Pikes. Like, you know, don't, don't
• 1:09:11
  pull a bedard. And.
• 1:09:14
  Oh, that's a callback, Yeah. Yeah, so Patrick Pat Bedard
• 1:09:18
  raced Indy and crashed at over 200 miles an hour and Pat was a
• 1:09:23
  car journalist. Yeah.
• 1:09:24
  And I'm like, what the fuck, Eddie?
• 1:09:27
  Like, why would you, why would you do that after the race?
• 1:09:30
  You know, like it was a really it was passive aggressive, you
• 1:09:33
  know, cuz. I.
• 1:09:34
  Was like. At the time, first in the Motor
• 1:09:37
  Trend, it was really kind of a yeah, so.
• 1:09:41
  Only. One of you, I have the race.
• 1:09:45
  I didn't crash, I made it the. Time.
• 1:09:46
  No, no, no, no. Which?
• 1:09:48
  In that way. He wasn't racing Pikes Peaks so.
• 1:09:51
  Look, I'm sure Indy's I was going to say harder, but Pikes
• 1:09:56
  is really difficult. It's.
• 1:09:57
  Really, it's a. Tricky thing.
• 1:09:59
  It's just a lot of memorization like yeah, in these four
• 1:10:01
  corners, you know, how hard could it be?
• 1:10:05
  Pikes is, you know, 150 something.
• 1:10:07
  So, but, but Indy, you're going very fast.
• 1:10:09
  So it's 100. It's more than 150 corners at
• 1:10:12
  Pikes I it's, it's weirdly identical to the Nurburgring in
• 1:10:16
  terms of like distance and corners.
• 1:10:17
  Like it's like, it's like they're both 12 miles or
• 1:10:21
  thereabouts and they're both 150.
• 1:10:23
  I think 1's 153 and one's 156 or vice versa.
• 1:10:27
  But yeah, it's the same, it's the same length and and you got
• 1:10:31
  to memorize the same amount of stuff and so well, and I feel
• 1:10:35
  like you can drive the entire Nurburgring.
• 1:10:37
  I think that would have been the hardest part for me is
• 1:10:39
  memorizing it. Right.
• 1:10:41
  Especially when they're sections you don't get to drive in real
• 1:10:43
  life because I know you did a lot of SIM training for that,
• 1:10:45
  right? Yeah, I did a lot of SIM.
• 1:10:46
  But I remember talking to his wart and he's like, yeah, it's
• 1:10:49
  my 20th year. And that means I've driven the
• 1:10:51
  whole thing 20 times. Only ever, you know, And it's
• 1:10:54
  crazy to think, but that's, that's just how it is.
• 1:10:56
  That's how they do it for safety and for practice yeah yeah why
• 1:11:01
  they couldn't close this all precious public Rd. for like 2
• 1:11:05
  more hours and like let us do it I don't know but and then now
• 1:11:09
  though the rent I'll. Tell you why, Johnny, it's a
• 1:11:13
  toll road and they're missing out if for every hour that it's
• 1:11:16
  closed, they're not bringing in that income that's.
• 1:11:19
  People say now they rent it out so like Lamborghini rented it
• 1:11:23
  and you know, they set a they set a Pikes Peak record, but
• 1:11:27
  they didn't do it in competition.
• 1:11:28
  So I I say it doesn't count, right?
• 1:11:31
  close quotes is the day of in competition with everybody else.
• 1:11:34
  So yeah, you got to be in that headspace.
• 1:11:38
  Well, so tell us about driving with Johnny.
• 1:11:42
  Like, how's that going? You just.
• 1:11:44
  Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:11:45
  So I finally started my own YouTube channel.
• 1:11:47
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:11:48
  Probably 10 years too late, but whatever.
• 1:11:50
  I'm doing it. Yeah.
• 1:11:52
  It's just me driving cars. And I've noticed I'm just, it's
• 1:11:57
  me driving cars and then telling a lot of stories while I drive
• 1:11:59
  cars. And.
• 1:12:00
  And so I'm not, you know, it's not a straight review.
• 1:12:04
  It's a lot of anecdotal nonsense, so if you've enjoyed
• 1:12:08
  this podcast, boy, you'd love driving with John.
• 1:12:12
  But that's what's missing for so many YouTube channels.
• 1:12:14
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:17
  Look, somebody made the point the other day they're like, you
• 1:12:20
  know, oh, I really like your reviews because everyone else is
• 1:12:22
  like, oh, the suspension's too stiff.
• 1:12:24
  Yeah. And then that's it.
• 1:12:25
  And. And I will be like, yeah, the
• 1:12:27
  suspension's too stiff. And I remember talking to BMW
• 1:12:30
  engineers and we're like, everybody else has air
• 1:12:32
  suspension. Why don't you have air
• 1:12:34
  suspension? And they give us this cock and
• 1:12:35
  bull story and then the next generation they have air
• 1:12:37
  suspension. So that's like the the
• 1:12:39
  difference. And yeah, so it's it's a lot of
• 1:12:44
  that. And then I started and it's just
• 1:12:47
  easy. I sit right here.
• 1:12:48
  I kind of have the camera more like this.
• 1:12:51
  You can see more in the backyard.
• 1:12:52
  But I do this segment called of the show thing called Talking
• 1:12:55
  with Johnny where I took AQ and A and it's just, I just kind of
• 1:12:58
  BS for like 20 minutes and answer people's questions.
• 1:13:01
  And that's really fun. I've really enjoyed that much
• 1:13:04
  more than I thought I would. I kind of just did it like it's
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  just one of those things like I was, you know, we're putting out
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  one review video a week and I was, well, it's not enough.
• 1:13:15
  You got to do more content, which you don't have to do.
• 1:13:17
  But I was freaking out. So I just said like, what can I
• 1:13:20
  film myself and not fuck up? And I fucked the first one up.
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  So you never saw that, But yeah, that was the draft version.
• 1:13:30
  That was the no audio. So, you know, if you can read
• 1:13:32
  lips, it was fantastic. But so.
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  So, yeah. So now we got talking with
• 1:13:39
  Johnny. And then like when I went to
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  Goodwood, I did a thing where I walked around and just kind of
• 1:13:44
  like just filmed what I was looking at.
• 1:13:46
  Some of it was with Schaefer. I interviewed some people.
• 1:13:50
  So might that might become a segment like Walking with
• 1:13:53
  Johnny. So I might do Car Week that way.
• 1:13:55
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:13:57
  And and then, like Lindsay went to the first one, but that cars
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  and coffee that me and Sang are doing at the Helms Bakery.
• 1:14:04
  Last one, we we filmed some of it, but it really wasn't enough
• 1:14:08
  for its own video. We're going to film the next
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  one. Which September 21st.
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  Whoo. Yeah.
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  There. Excellent.
• 1:14:14
  September 21st. Yeah, Mark calendars if you want
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  some coffee, but we're going to film that.
• 1:14:19
  And so that'll be like a walking with Johnny and yeah, I mean,
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  yeah, going crazy with this wonderful name naming convention
• 1:14:27
  I came up with. But with Johnny's, Yeah, it's
• 1:14:31
  going well. I mean, I can, I got, I got
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  YouTube Studio right here. Let's see.
• 1:14:35
  I got what are we up to? We're up to, we're up to almost
• 1:14:41
  8000 subscribers and that's pretty good.
• 1:14:45
  Yeah, a couple. It's been like almost two
• 1:14:46
  months. Yeah.
• 1:14:49
  So it's, it's, it's going well, you know, making a little money
• 1:14:52
  already, which is exciting and way ahead of my, my own schedule
• 1:14:57
  and really nice. What's that?
• 1:14:59
  That's always nice. Yeah, it was, it was I expected
• 1:15:04
  to make money, but but the amount I'm making now, I was
• 1:15:07
  expecting to make in four months from now, if that makes sense,
• 1:15:09
  or three months from now. Yeah, it's a little ahead of
• 1:15:12
  schedule, so that's great. That's always a good surprise.
• 1:15:15
  Nobody's going to complain about that for sure.
• 1:15:17
  I'm not complaining. I'm not complaining.
• 1:15:18
  No, I've really been enjoying it.
• 1:15:20
  And it's, you know, a I'll leave his name out of it, but
• 1:15:25
  absolutely insane. Friend of mine is like, oh,
• 1:15:26
  you're going to be making 300 grand a month.
• 1:15:28
  So I'm looking forward to that and stay tuned.
• 1:15:32
  You heard it for first who needs commercial real estate when you
• 1:15:36
  have your own YouTube channel? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:38
  I mean 3. 100 grand a month. This guy isn't from Denver, is
• 1:15:40
  he? That means you'll be a Mistral
• 1:15:42
  money. But I was going to say you'll be
• 1:15:43
  in a Mistral in no time. Well, take some time, but but
• 1:15:46
  but you know, I could, I could get a, a slightly used
• 1:15:49
  Lamborghini of some variety. So yeah, absolutely.
• 1:15:53
  Yeah. That means a Mistral would be
• 1:15:55
  possibly possible as opposed to not at all.
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  I mean, boy, 5.5 million, that's before options, right?
• 1:16:03
  You know, like that's the base. Yeah, Actually.
• 1:16:06
  So my favorite thing about the Mistral, my favorite thing about
• 1:16:09
  the Mistral was there's a, the shifter has a little kind of a
• 1:16:14
  glass cut out where there's a, there's an elephant reared up on
• 1:16:18
  its hind legs. And it's, it's the, it's a
• 1:16:21
  Bugatti Hun ornament from the Royale.
• 1:16:23
  And it was, it's, it's a reproduction of Rembrandt.
• 1:16:26
  Bugatti was a Tory Bugatti's brother and he was a pretty well
• 1:16:29
  known sculptor at the time. And he used to sit at the zoo
• 1:16:32
  and Antwerp in Belgium and then sketch pictures of animals and
• 1:16:37
  then sculpt them. And he did this elephant up on
• 1:16:40
  its rear legs. But I'll never forget.
• 1:16:41
  I was reading the press release and Occam, I can't remember his
• 1:16:44
  last name, but the, the the head is designed for Bugatti Occam.
• 1:16:47
  He goes, yeah, you know, there's an elephant in there, but you
• 1:16:50
  could do whatever you want. You could do your wife, your
• 1:16:52
  kids, your dog, your elephant. And he's like, yes, I am really
• 1:16:58
  sick of having someone else's elephant in my Griff shift
• 1:17:02
  lever. I really want my own.
• 1:17:04
  You know, it's about time that Stampy got his own goddamn
• 1:17:08
  statue, You know what I mean? Like so that was this is just
• 1:17:12
  unacceptable. What are we doing here?
• 1:17:14
  So I might buy if I win the Lotto the 340 mil I might buy an
• 1:17:17
  elephant and a mistral so I can get my own elephant.
• 1:17:19
  That's amazing. That is amazing.
• 1:17:22
  I don't want Rembrandt thinking old elephant.
• 1:17:24
  Yeah, American elephant nonsense.
• 1:17:28
  Yeah, right, right. An Indian elephant when you
• 1:17:31
  could have had an African elephant.
• 1:17:32
  Yeah, it's yeah, Yeah, right, right.
• 1:17:35
  Yeah. Couple more.
• 1:17:38
  Well, I. Know I was going to say it's
• 1:17:40
  just more elephant jokes. It's fine, Ryan, Go.
• 1:17:44
  Ahead we have time for a couple more listener questions, mostly
• 1:17:47
  because I want to say this person's Instagram handle, which
• 1:17:50
  is hobo wine taster. He's a long time listener with a
• 1:17:55
  great name. He would like to know the best
• 1:17:58
  tactile car experiences you ever have had.
• 1:18:01
  So I think he's thinking like Lotus Elise.
• 1:18:05
  Type opposed to what? Like disembodied car
• 1:18:07
  experiences. Hacked.
• 1:18:10
  Which guys feel the did? You rise above the car.
• 1:18:15
  If you had to go Helen Keller on a car.
• 1:18:18
  Yeah, I don't, I don't really. I don't really know what he
• 1:18:20
  means, if he's like most memorable interior or something.
• 1:18:26
  I'm thinking like, what are the the cars where you just feel
• 1:18:28
  most at one with the car I think is what he's going for.
• 1:18:31
  The Mr. And that is the answer to everything, right?
• 1:18:35
  Like you know, the answer is not Miata, it's a Mistral.
• 1:18:38
  Oh no, no, no Miata, no Mistral. Right on, right on you.
• 1:18:44
  Heard this answer already. We know.
• 1:18:45
  Yes, yeah, I mean to me, and again, I'm this is my own weird
• 1:18:50
  hang ups, but when I hear stuff like what's the most tactile,
• 1:18:53
  what's the most analog? You know, like if I said 19-O3
• 1:19:00
  Mercedes Simplex, you'd say like I've never I don't know what
• 1:19:03
  that is. So I don't care about your
• 1:19:04
  answer. If I said, you know, if I said
• 1:19:10
  Nissan GTR, you'd say, oh, but that I read that car has no soul
• 1:19:15
  because I wouldn't I had the soul changed on my Porsche.
• 1:19:18
  Like I hate stuff like those are just weasel words for like
• 1:19:23
  people. Like I hate progress.
• 1:19:26
  I'm a grumpy old man. So I, you know, we'll shit on
• 1:19:28
  your question hobo wine tastes. I hate it.
• 1:19:30
  If you don't sit along with Gord while you drive with a killer.
• 1:19:33
  We're all jacked. Yeah, OK.
• 1:19:37
  Yeah, you know what I mean. Like what?
• 1:19:39
  What is he talking about? Yeah, I don't.
• 1:19:41
  I don't and again, I don't think he's even asking that question
• 1:19:46
  for him. I think he's trying to like fill
• 1:19:48
  a bucket to get like cred that like tactile means like natural
• 1:19:53
  aspirated V10 manual, like hey, I drove a lot of those.
• 1:19:57
  They're called Vipers. They mostly suck, you know, so,
• 1:20:02
  so the answer is not Viper. I don't know what he's talking
• 1:20:06
  about. You know, I'm assuming the worst
• 1:20:08
  because I'm just in that frame of mind.
• 1:20:10
  Here's the one from Scandomaniac.
• 1:20:12
  Scandomaniac. He likes the the cars of the
• 1:20:14
  North. What 2000s car would you buy if
• 1:20:18
  you had to drive a 2000s car? Does he mean like 2000 to 2010?
• 1:20:23
  Yes, yes. Yes.
• 1:20:25
  Well, Carrera GT, Porsche Carrera GT which is the V10
• 1:20:28
  manual. Yeah.
• 1:20:30
  Yeah. But but yeah, you know that that
• 1:20:32
  that's just a good retirement plan.
• 1:20:34
  But but probably quicker and better handling than that would
• 1:20:36
  be like a a Nissan GTR, which is probably my actual answer.
• 1:20:41
  I I love me and GTR and it came out in O 8 as an O9 model.
• 1:20:45
  So that sneaks in there. And I I.
• 1:20:49
  I have such love for that car. And again, you know, for all
• 1:20:54
  those, it doesn't have a soul people.
• 1:20:55
  What the fuck are you talking about, B?
• 1:20:58
  Like if you're going to say, oh, it's too computerized, well,
• 1:21:01
  first of all, it's like a 2009 computer.
• 1:21:02
  What, what the hell could it do? Nothing.
• 1:21:04
  But also like, if you just turn the traction control off,
• 1:21:08
  nothing's happening. Maybe the computer's deciding
• 1:21:11
  where to send the, the, the torque to the front axle.
• 1:21:14
  But like everyone does that, you know, they just did it first,
• 1:21:17
  but they did it really, really, really well.
• 1:21:19
  And just unbelievably wonderful cars that that are actually
• 1:21:24
  like, are appreciated in the marketplace.
• 1:21:26
  Like go look at used GTR prices. Like talk about not budging.
• 1:21:31
  You know, the kids on the Internet, you know, they're
• 1:21:33
  worried about souls and you know, all that and, you know,
• 1:21:35
  whatever, but excellent car. I would, I would love to have
• 1:21:38
  one of those. Yeah.
• 1:21:39
  So what I'm hearing is if you turn the traction control off,
• 1:21:42
  the soul goes back into the car. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:45
  That's the soul back. In all this.
• 1:21:47
  Code for it, yeah. The soul, look, the soul not
• 1:21:50
  having soul is code for being like made by Asian people
• 1:21:53
  instead of white people. Like all that is because somehow
• 1:21:56
  German cars have a soul automatically because they're
• 1:21:58
  German. But the Nissan doesn't, you
• 1:22:02
  know? So this is some racist monkey.
• 1:22:04
  BS, you know. There's a lot going on there.
• 1:22:08
  I think on that note, we will say that's all for this week.
• 1:22:14
  All right? We've covered so much and it was
• 1:22:17
  so good to see you and catch up. And I'm excited for your YouTube
• 1:22:21
  channel. Yeah, see you where it goes from
• 1:22:23
  there. Driving with Johnny.
• 1:22:26
  Yes. Driving me Johnny and the next
• 1:22:29
  Helms Bakery Cars and Coffee, which is an amazing event if
• 1:22:32
  you're in Southern California. It is.
• 1:22:33
  Yeah. It's worth your time.
• 1:22:35
  It's gonna be the 21st of September.
• 1:22:38
  Helms Bakery. Get there at 7:00 AM If you want
• 1:22:40
  a parking spot, get there at 8:00 if you don't.
• 1:22:42
  Right. And if you want coffee and a
• 1:22:44
  breakfast burrito, get there at 7:00.
• 1:22:46
  Yeah, we're, we're, we've, we figured that out.
• 1:22:49
  We actually had a table last time and we had coffee and
• 1:22:51
  burritos available before 8:00. So amazing.
• 1:22:54
  Yeah, solve that problem right there.
• 1:22:56
  Look at that. You have you're iterate.
• 1:22:57
  You're already iterating and evolving.
• 1:23:01
  I just have to say you have great branding and posters for
• 1:23:03
  that event. I don't know who does that, but.
• 1:23:05
  It's a good looking some AI program.
• 1:23:08
  And then I did the, I did the typesetting.
• 1:23:10
  I'm I'm. Really.
• 1:23:11
  OK. I'm an old I'm an old font nerd
• 1:23:13
  from. It looks great.
• 1:23:14
  Right on. Thanks.
• 1:23:15
  Yeah, Job well done. Job well.
• 1:23:17
  Done. It's been actually spent a lot
• 1:23:18
  of time on that. So thank you.
• 1:23:20
  Well, it shows and it's, I missed the last one, but the
• 1:23:24
  first one, that's what everybody was saying was it was such an
• 1:23:26
  interesting mix of cars and people and it really was like
• 1:23:30
  you couldn't walk 3 feet without seeing a friend.
• 1:23:33
  And it was a really cool variety of cars and it was fun to see.
• 1:23:36
  I think there was a group of 2000 twos that got together and
• 1:23:41
  all came together very early in the morning.
• 1:23:43
  So it was just really unique and definitely worth checking out.
• 1:23:46
  And the food's delicious. So yeah, no, it was really
• 1:23:49
  recommend. Good times with good vibes.
• 1:23:51
  It was, it was a good, it was a good, good, good, good
• 1:23:53
  experience. And yeah, we, we kind of
• 1:23:55
  replicated it. Early June's probably a bad time
• 1:23:58
  to do it. Just, you know, everyone's on
• 1:23:59
  vacation. Also, it was the day of the
• 1:24:01
  riots in LA when the National Guard got called out.
• 1:24:04
  So I had a lot of people like, I'm not going to risk it.
• 1:24:06
  I'm like. Oh Jesus, all right, be all
• 1:24:08
  right. You know it's never dull, right?
• 1:24:11
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:24:14
  Well, on that note, on that note, we will.
• 1:24:16
  Happy guys, appreciate it. Yeah.
• 1:24:18
  Thank you, Johnny. Thank you so much.
• 1:24:21
  We're that car show and remember always be driving.