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Israel’s Elections Explained | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas · DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

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Good morning. This is DeProgram with Ted
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Rall and Jamarl Thomas for Tuesday, October 20th,
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2026. Thank you so much for joining us. Good
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morning, Jamarl. How are you doing? I'm doing
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fine. What's going on this morning? Well, we've
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got a great guest waiting for us in the wings
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from halfway around, well, a third of the way
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around the world. So let's go ahead and bring
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in Professor Gideon Rahat. He is a political
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scientist at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem,
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as well as a senior fellow at the Israel Democracy
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Institute. He specializes in electoral systems,
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political reform, parties, candidate selection,
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and the personalization of politics. Obviously,
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you can see why we need to talk to him this week,
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seven days away from next Tuesday's October 27th
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elections in the state of Israel. He co-edits
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the Elections in Israel series and co-edited
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the Oxford Handbook of Israeli Politics and Society.
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Some of his key books include Democracy Within
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Parties, which he co-wrote, and The Politics
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of Regime Structure, Reform, and Democracies.
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He's a leading expert on Israel's proportional
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nationwide closed-list system and the politics
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of reforming. And thanks for joining us here
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on the program, Professor. Thank you. I should
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take you with me when I'm introducing myself.
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Happy, happy to go along anywhere you want to
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go. I'm very good at introducing. I don't know
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if I can do anything else, but we'll find out.
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So, Professor Rahat, obviously the electoral
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system in Israel is a parliamentary system
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which is something that Americans are unfamiliar
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with. Most of us don't have that. We have
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a completely different system, and Israel
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has its own unique take on the parliamentary
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system. So I was wondering first and foremost
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if you could just sort of explain for an audience
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that doesn't understand or isn't familiar
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with the system how exactly the prime minister
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is chosen, what's going to happen next week, and
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then how is it going to... I think we're not giving
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anything away by saying there's not going to
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be a party that's going to get a simple majority
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needed to name a prime minister. So what happens
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after that? So Israeli elections are like this.
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Each person, each citizen is going and votes for
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a political party. A political party is composed
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of a list of names, and the political party will
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win more or less its proportion of the vote.
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For example, if a party wins 20% of the vote,
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so it will have 24 seats in the Israeli Knesset.
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The Knesset is a 120-member parliament. So first
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we elect the parliament. After we elect the parliament,
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you look at the parliament, you see the political
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parties. Some political parties may win 25 seats,
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others may win 10 seats, 4 seats. Now these political
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parties are going and meet the president of Israel.
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The president of Israel is not like the president
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of the United States. He's really totally a symbolic
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figure. One of the only things that he can have
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some impact is when establishing government.
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So all of these, the political parties send representatives
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to the president, and the president meets with
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them and asks them, what government do you want
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to have? And then he looks, and according to
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the law, he lets the person with the highest
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chances of establishing a government out of all
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of these collection of political parties to try
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to establish a government. How does he establish
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a government? He creates a coalition. He meets
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with the other parties. He gives them some. He
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tells them, okay, you take these ministries,
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you will take these budgets. They come together
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and if they succeed in creating a majority or
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even a plurality, but without rejection of some
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parties, they can establish a government. So
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the elections are not directly to the prime minister,
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not directly to the executive. The elections
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are to the parliament, and then the parliament
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establishes the government. So when you're an
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Israeli voter, what are you going to see on your
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ballot? Are you simply going to see the name
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of parties and you pick one party, or are you
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finding the names of representatives and you're
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voting for your local representative, or is it
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something else? I think that the Israeli ballot
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is really the opposite of what you will expect
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for the people of the Bible, because it's the
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most simple ballot in the world. What you see
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is letters that are supposed to let people who
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do not know the language or even do not know
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how to read it, how to recognize, not know how
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to read Hebrew, recognize the name of the party
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list. And then the name of the party. In the
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last decades, more and more parties put the name
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of their leader with the name of the party. That's
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what I'm calling the personalization of politics.
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Once upon a time, when we had really leaders
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like Ben-Gurion and Begin, their names weren't
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on the ballot. These days, any leader, even the
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most of the smaller small party or something
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like this, they put their names, but that's it.
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We don't see the names of the candidates. You
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have the list of the names of the candidates
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for each party somewhere. They put it somewhere
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near the ballot station or something, but
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nobody really knows who are number three, four,
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five, or some people know, but very few people
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know. These days, they know the name of the leader
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and hopefully the name of the party because the
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names of the parties also change all the time.
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Most of the parties these days are not the old
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parties, or they are the old parties, but they
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wear a new costume so that they have a new name.
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Interesting. Wow, that's interesting. Because
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here, they always give the name of the candidate.
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They may say Republican, but it's always based
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on the candidate, meaning the individual specific
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representative, not necessarily ahead of the
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party per se. But I guess the parliamentary system
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is going to be different by definition. Recently,
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my curiosity goes into Trump's relationship in
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Israel. Trump recently came out and basically
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said he wanted Netanyahu to win the race. And
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I guess from our point of view, it's like, OK,
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how much influence does that have on the race?
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And do you consider that election interference
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with the U.S. president basically making his
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opinion known in regards to who he wants for
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Israel? Yeah. First of all, what Trump is doing
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is out of the norms. You're not supposed to say
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who you support in other countries. And he's
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doing it all the time, not only in Israel. So,
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that's Trump and that's how he is.
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That's what he's doing. I'm not sure that it's
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going to influence what's going on here in Israel
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because the way that Trump is seen in Israel
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is also somewhat complex. So the center-left
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doesn't like Trump because it's center-left,
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but I must say that still many people in the
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center-left would say we don't like anything
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that Trump did, but we appreciate the fact that
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he came and helped us to take the hostages out
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of Gaza. Yeah, okay? Because we know that he
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did it and not Netanyahu. That's how it looks.
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So people appreciate him for it, whatever they
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stand for. Now, the Israeli right was in love
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with Trump, but I'm not sure that they're in
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love anymore because Trump is not representing
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the Israeli interest. He represents the American
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interest. The American interest is also about
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being in good relationship with Saudi Arabia,
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with other countries. So the Israeli right that
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have ideas about greater Israel doesn't see Trump
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as its ally anymore. So I'm not sure that he
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can really influence the elections anymore like
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he could in the past. Before, it was clear that
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he's not working for us, for us Israelis, but
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he's working for what he sees as his interest,
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the American interest. Wow. Professor, so the
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Knesset is a unicameral legislature, right? There's
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only one house? Okay, just wanted to clarify.
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The polls currently show Prime Minister Netanyahu's
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Likud party running second in the polls, right?
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Tell us about who's most likely to win. According
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to opinion polls, the largest party is the party
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headed by Gadi Eisenkot, the former chief of
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staff. Now, once again, it's only the largest
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party. It's unclear. It's a very personal party.
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It's Gadi Eisenkot and the people he thinks that
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should be in his party. That's how it looks.
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That's the party. Now, Eisenkot is an interesting
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candidate because, in a way, he is almost the
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opposite of Netanyahu. Everything that
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you would say about Netanyahu, let's say that
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he's not tall, he's chubby. He's from the Mizrahi
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region while Netanyahu is from the Ashkenazi region.
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Netanyahu has very good English. Eisenkot doesn't
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have very good English. No. Eisenkot looks like,
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he's not look like a cynical, or he looks much
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more authentic than Netanyahu. We should remember
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that Eisenkot in this war in Gaza war lost his
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son and his nephew, and at the same time one of
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the sons of Netanyahu was in Miami and the other
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was the other was probably here and even served
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in the military, but it's not so. Everything that
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you take here and you make the comparison, you
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say okay, so we have Netanyahu and we have his
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almost his opposite as the main characteristic,
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the main contenders, but you have to
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remember we do not elect a president. We do not
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elect a person. At the end of the day we elect
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a party. So what happens is that each person in
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Israel, he said, okay, I want Netanyahu. Now I can
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vote for the ultra-Orthodox, for the extreme
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right, for the national religious, or for Likud.
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I want Eisenkot. I can vote for Eisenkot, but
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I can also vote for Yair Golan, who is more to
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the left, but we'll go with him to coalition.
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I can vote for Bennett and Lapid, which are center
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-center-right. I can vote for Lieberman, who
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is right-wing. So we have a menu of different
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political parties now. It might sound very complicated
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for Americans, but come on, your own parties
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are big tents, right? You have a big tent of
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the Democratic Party in which you have, now you
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have clearly the progressives and the center,
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and you have the Republicans. I don't know, these
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days it's highly personal, but with the Republicans,
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you can clearly say you have the religious forces,
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the more economic forces. Now you have also working
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class. So the difference is like this,
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okay? In the United States, they come together
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before the elections. In Israel, they come together
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after the elections, okay? That's probably it.
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Where do you think, from the standpoint of the
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public itself, where do you think they're
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moving? What is the thing that's going
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to move people in this particular election?
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They may have elections over economy,
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over war, over, I don't know, you can have shallow
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elections over something that somebody
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said. But what is ultimately going to decide
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this election, meaning what's the key issue that's
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moving the public and to what direction they're
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moving because of it? This is the best
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question that you can ask about the election.
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But then we have the politicians and
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they know that this is the best question. So
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what they're trying to do is agenda setting.
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They try to define what is the issue, and Netanyahu
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is trying to define the issues as the issue as
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I wouldn't enable the creation of a Palestinian
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state. Now this is a very good issue for the agenda,
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but I don't see anyone trying to create a Palestinian
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state. Okay, so he creates an
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issue and it makes people. It moves something
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within. And then you can see that others are
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saying we must recruit the ultra-Orthodox. You
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know, all of the Jews in Israel are going to
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the military age 18 until the men until 21, the
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women until 20, I think. So we have this, and
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the ultra-Orthodox are not going and are not
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serving, and it makes many people mad at them.
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Why don't they serve? Okay, so it's a big issue.
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So politicians say, we will make sure that they
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are going to be recruited. Okay, I
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live for 60 years, and I hear it for the last
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40 years. So what you're asking is a type of,
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okay, it's agenda setting, and I think
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that there are issues in these elections. From
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my point of view, I was telling the students
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yesterday that I think that the most important
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issue in the election is actually the fate of
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the state of Israel. Now, when I say this, it
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sounds big, but at the end of the day, a state
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is just a web of institutions, okay? There is a state as an idea. There is a state
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as something abstract, the flag, the
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anthem, all of this stuff. Nice. But at the end
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of the day, what is a state for good and for
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bad? It is a web of institutions. And I think
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that one of the problems with the current government
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is that it attacked the institutions of the state
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in a way that on the long run might destroy the
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state. Now, some people believe there is something
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like the deep state, right? You also hear it
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in the United States, the deep state that wouldn't
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let you do what you need to do, etc., etc. But
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at the end of the day, let's imagine that you're
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really successful in destroying the deep state.
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What do you do? That's what I mean. You
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might have to reform the state to make it more
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efficient, more democratic, whatever. But the
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attacks on the state are very problematic
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because I think it's weakening the state.
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Second, there is an attack on the values
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of the Israeli state. Israel has a nice declaration
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of independence, and this was written. It's amazing
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stuff because the people who signed it were
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right-wing and left-wing, and when I'm saying
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right-wing and left-wing, I mean real right
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-wing and left-wing, communists and extreme right
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-wingers and highly religious people and totally
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secular people, they all signed this nice Declaration
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of Independence. And if you read it, everything
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is in it. And this current government is one
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of the people from... It's only a paper, okay?
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Just imagine somebody saying something like this
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about the Constitution of the United States. I
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mean, you can always fight whether you should
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read the constitutions like this or like that,
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but I don't think that many Americans will dare
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to say that we should give up on this. I don't
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know, leftist, rightist, whatever. It's
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very important. And the
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third thing, and this is really what really
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worried me, it's what I call the monopoly on force.
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The state of Israel does not have a monopoly on
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force. You can see what happened in the territories
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with the people who are harsh to Palestinians,
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who were harsh yesterday to these diplomats that
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went to the only Christian village in the territories.
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So the police is not there. The police is not
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inside the Arab towns and villages. There is
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a lot of crime there, and the police is not there.
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It means that you lose the monopoly on force
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to terrorists and to criminals. That's not a
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good sign for a state. The state should have
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a monopoly on force. Anybody who uses force other
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than police or others is either a criminal or
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a terrorist. Now, I know that in the United States,
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you are more free. People can carry guns, etc.
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But the fact that they can carry guns doesn't
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mean that they're supposed to use it, right?
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Only for self-defense. So that's the point I'm
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trying to tell you, that the only one that can,
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for example, a policeman can use force up to,
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restraint force, I don't know, to protect some
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things. He has this right, yeah? And he's under
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scrutiny or whatever, but he has the right,
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nobody else has it. So I think that we are losing
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it and that's what really worries me. So I see
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these elections, I hope that the result of this
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election would be some type of the state coming
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to itself. More respect to the values of the
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state, more respect to the authorities of the
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state, more respect to everything, and then we
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can sit and think how we can reform the state
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so the people who are not happy with how it functions,
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how we can reform it so it will be better, but
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not to destroy it. That's how I see it. And I
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see it because I'm a political scientist. And
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in the first day in class, they told me, okay,
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state is not this abstract thing and the state
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is not even the land because people cannot fly.
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They need to be on the land. The most important
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thing about the state is the control of the use
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of legitimate force, and I think this is true
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and that's the reason why I'm really worried
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about what's going on here because I think that's
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the main issue, but many people do not see it
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like this. Unfortunately, I'm a political scientist.
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I know this is true. Many people are not really aware
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of this point. I want to follow up on that. So
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the perception here in the American media is
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that West Bank settlers are basically given a
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free hand by the IDF and that they look the other
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way when these things happen at best. Sometimes
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they even cooperate. Is the sense,
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I know that the messaging that comes out of the
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Israeli government is that these are thugs, especially
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young men in the West Bank who are a little bit
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out of control and the government can't control
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them. What is the perception in Israel?
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Is this a failure of the IDF
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to control the territories,
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their security and such, the
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use of force, or is this sort of like
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a wink-wink, nudge-nudge, we know all boys will
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be boys, we just let it happen and
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look the other way? What's really going
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on? Are they getting away with something or
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do they kind of have tacit permission? I think
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that it's very hard for, first, it's very hard
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for the military to cope with them. Second, the
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police is supposed to cope with them and the
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police is under the current minister who is probably
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supporting what is going on there. So the point,
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so the idea is that they hardly do anything to
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stop, and they always say, oh, these are
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just a few, these are just a few, but these few
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are already hundreds. And I must tell you that
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when you look at it, first, my heart is to these
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Palestinians that suffer. These are not terrorists.
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These are people who really work from their land.
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These are farmers. It's not the people that you
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think about when you think about the people who
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really did harm to Israelis here or there. It's
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really these people. But if you think about it,
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at the end of the day, the losers from what is
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going on here would be the settlers themselves.
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Because the world was quite okay. The world was
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saying, okay, Israel ruled the territories. The
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Palestinians are divided between Hamas and PLO.
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Once upon a time, they were divided and you can
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do nothing. And then the Israeli Supreme Court
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took care that the Palestinians will have their
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own, their right on private property, which is
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something very important in the world, in democracies,
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that you have right for your property, right?
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So the settlements were always built not on private
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property. Now it's all about changing this reality.
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The Supreme Court is, they don't care about the
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Supreme Court. They don't care about it. Then
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the settlements, the Israeli policy is exposed,
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more exposed to the world. And especially when
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these things happened. And more than this, this
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thing happens. For example, it happens to the
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only Christian village in the territories. It
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also happened there. So the Christian world is
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irritated also specifically because it sees these
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things happen. And any person who sees these
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things is irritated. So at the end of the day,
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the end result is that, let's say, that it might
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be a loose situation for these specific people
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that want to live in the territories and have
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the idea and dream about greater Israel because
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they are exposed to more and more criticism.
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Our producer, Robby, has a question. Sorry,
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Jamarl, you get the next one for sure. He wants
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to know if the ruling coalition under Likud would
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currently maybe do what we would call in the
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United States a wag-the-dog scenario and resume
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fighting with Iran prior in the next week in
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order to sort of try to maybe get a rally
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the flag effect around Prime Minister Netanyahu's
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government to try to manipulate the election
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results. Or postpone it. That's a very good idea
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that is all over the press also. It can happen.
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They're talking about it. And I must tell you,
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I'm not sure. If it will happen, probably there
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should be what we call some things that Iran
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should do in order to... Now, let's imagine that
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Iran wants also to play with Israeli elections.
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So they will do some type of... So I cannot give
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you an answer, but I think it would be hard for
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Netanyahu to do it by himself. But if the United
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States will join, it would be easier if the
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Iranians would give a very good reason to do
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it. And I don't know what is the good reason,
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but they can always shoot a rocket toward
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Israel. That's a possibility. So there can be
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such a scenario. I think that because people
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are aware of it, in a way, you think about it,
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maybe it's too cynical to happen, but on the
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other hand, it can happen. So all of
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the scenarios are open right now. Wow, that's
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scary. All of the scenarios are open. Yeah, it
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is. But we are actually used
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to it. And I must tell you, I'm not
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scared of my neighbors. I'm more scared about
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these days for my government than for my neighbors.
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That's my personal feeling because in terms
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of defense, Israel has very good defense. We
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have safe rooms in our houses or shelters. We
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have, I think you'd call it Iron Dome. We have
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all of these things. So as a citizen, you can
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cope with it. It's not so scary. It looks
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scary from outside, but it's not so scary from
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here. What will happen within Israel, I'm more
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worried about it than what will happen with our
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bad neighbors. We have also good neighbors, but
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what will happen with our bad neighbors? One
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last question on the election. Is this election
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a referendum on Netanyahu, from your point of
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view? On Netanyahu? It's clearly it is. We had so many elections. And
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your question is so true in the sense that when you
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ask people what the elections are about, not
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about these elections, but even the last five
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former elections, many people say it's a referendum
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about Netanyahu. When we started, you
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said Israel is a different system, it's parliamentary
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system, etc. But somehow we end up with almost,
28:47
the fact, almost a presidential system,
28:50
right? These elections are, you can ask in the
28:52
United States a question about an incumbent,
28:55
right? You could ask for the '24, for previous
28:59
election, is it a referendum about Trump, right?
29:01
You could ask this question naturally. But that's
29:04
okay. You have presidential elections. But in
29:07
Israel, it doesn't make any sense. We don't vote
29:11
for the prime minister. But still, your question
29:13
is to the point. It's a referendum about Netanyahu.
29:18
Much of it. That makes sense. How do Israelis...
29:22
Okay, so in the United States, I think it's been
29:25
four times that the president who lost the popular
29:28
vote ended up becoming president because of the
29:31
electoral college. I guess the analogous scenario
29:35
in Israel is that the party that doesn't get
29:38
the most number of votes can form a successful
29:42
coalition without necessarily getting the highest
29:46
number of votes. If and when that happens, do
29:49
Israelis feel upset about it. Americans don't
29:53
like it. It sort of causes, like George W. Bush,
29:57
that happened to him, and he was viewed widely
30:00
by many Americans as illegitimate as a result,
30:03
even though technically, according to the Supreme
30:06
Court, he won. Is it like that in Israel? It's
30:14
not exactly. I'll tell you why. In 2009, Netanyahu
30:18
won. The Likud, Netanyahu won 27 seats, and Kadima,
30:23
another party that existed then, won 28 seats.
30:28
Netanyahu became the prime minister because he
30:30
had a coalition, solid coalition, of 65 seats.
30:34
So the question is not the big party, the question
30:37
is the big bloc, the big coalition. However,
30:40
people were quite frustrated because we had one
30:43
government in 2021 of Bennett and Lapid.
30:49
Bennett was a prime minister with a party with
30:51
only six seats, 5%. And people were really frustrated
30:55
about it. Now, because of the size of the party.
31:00
On the other hand, if you think about it, Bennett
31:03
was the most extreme right within this coalition.
31:09
He was what we called the median. So it makes
31:14
sense to put him as a prime minister in a way.
31:17
So I think that at the end of the day, Israelis
31:22
can live with a prime minister from one of the
31:27
largest parties. I'm not sure that he must be
31:31
from the largest party, because we already had
31:35
prime ministers from smaller parties, but
31:40
a really small party looks like, it looks spooky.
31:45
Let's put it this way. What do you think is going
31:48
to happen next week? What's your prediction?
31:53
That's the problem, that people want me to be
31:55
a prophet. And political scientists,
31:58
we forecast the past and we still debate on it.
32:06
But if you look at opinion polls, we'll have
32:10
elections and after the election, things will
32:12
be as interesting as before the elections. Because
32:15
now, remember what we talked before, you take
32:19
these 10 political parties and you see how they
32:22
come together to create a coalition. This is
32:25
even more complicated and maybe more interesting
32:31
than the elections because you have to build
32:34
some type of coalition, and now people promised
32:37
I'll go with him and I wouldn't go with
32:40
the other party, etc., and now they have to
32:43
see whether they should keep the word
32:46
or not, and it's going to be a mess. So if
32:50
you think that the elections are the last
32:53
word, that's not it. It's going to be a long story
32:57
after the election day. Well, we hope when
33:01
that happens you'll come back and talk to us
33:02
and help us break it down, okay?
33:06
Thank you. I really enjoyed it and it's really
33:09
always fun to try to explain to Americans the
33:14
other way that the politics that really look
33:18
like it runs the other way, and then we end up
33:20
with the whole idea that it's all about Netanyahu,
33:24
it's all about the incumbent. Yeah, yeah. No,
33:27
that's why I wanted to have you on. I was very
33:29
excited to have you on, and it was a great conversation.
33:32
Thank you very much, Professor Rahat. Okay, thank
33:35
you. Bye-bye. So that was Professor Gideon Rahat.
33:40
He's a political scientist at Hebrew University
33:42
of Jerusalem and a senior fellow at the Israel
33:46
Democracy Institute who specializes in electoral
33:49
systems, political reform, parties, candidate
33:51
selection and the personalization of politics.
33:54
So, yeah, that was super interesting. And I'm
33:59
I feel like I learned some things, and
34:03
I think we're not going to really have, it sounds
34:04
like we're not going to have a very decisive
34:06
result on Wednesday morning. No, but
34:10
they've had elections over and over and over
34:12
and over again. Their system has been all
34:15
over the place. Yeah, we're probably not going
34:18
to know. I'm fascinated with the Trump question.
34:21
Because when you're looking at from externally
34:24
you're thinking to yourself how much influence
34:26
does Trump actually have? And by the way, I'll
34:28
tell you two stories on this. They sent me
34:32
to, was it Brazil? It might have been Brazil, and
34:38
it's late one night. I just finished work for
34:41
the radio station. I go out at like 12 o'clock
34:44
to get something to eat, and by the time I think
34:46
it's like two in the morning when I'm on my way
34:48
back, or one or two in the morning, and the cab
34:50
driver is this is an Israeli, and he says, Netanyahu
34:55
is great. He said, Netanyahu is great for Israel.
34:59
That's what we need in that country. And him
35:01
and I were getting through this back and forth
35:03
in the cab over Israel, right? And over Netanyahu,
35:07
specifically in Israel. And even when I was in
35:09
Israel at the time, they were like, we love Trump.
35:13
And their thing was Donald Trump. And they would
35:15
say, which was wow, they was like, I don't like
35:17
his domestic policies, but I like his policies
35:19
towards Israel. They were full on board for the
35:23
Trump train. So if that's changed, where now
35:26
it's like he's not giving us enough, which is
35:29
just because when he was like, yeah, the right
35:35
-wingers feel like Donald Trump is doing is making
35:38
allegiances with allies. It's like, dude, he
35:41
didn't use air defense for Saudi Arabia. He
35:44
used it for Israel. Right. You can name all of
35:49
these other countries and you can say whatever
35:50
you want. Trump did any and everything in his
35:54
power with the level of subservience I've never
35:56
seen another American president for Israel. So
36:01
if they can't, meaning if the idea I always
36:05
say just because you feel something doesn't mean
36:07
it's true. This is one of those cases. If they're
36:10
looking at this as like Trump is not loyal enough,
36:12
okay, I don't know how much more they could get,
36:17
right? This is like the old TV ad from the 80s,
36:21
too much is never enough. Robby? It was shocking
36:25
when he was like, yeah, some right-wingers are
36:27
like, Trump is not doing enough. Like, really?
36:30
Yeah, for me, the biggest takeaway is
36:32
they feel like he's doing too much for the Americans
36:35
and not enough for the Israelis. Yeah. It's just
36:37
like, I'm the first person to say that.
36:42
Well, obviously, he is the vice president of
36:46
Israel as far as the right-wingers over there
36:49
in Israel are concerned. So what is it? Well,
36:52
we're the right-wingers of the United States,
36:54
too, apparently. Not the elites, not the voters.
36:57
Are they that mad that he's not sending
37:01
in the 101st Airborne to carve out, just to drive
37:05
everybody out of Jordan, occupy Libya, take over
37:09
northern Iraq? They would love that. If you want
37:13
your empire, maybe it's time for you to stop being
37:16
a welfare queen, pick up your rifle and go take
37:18
it. That's my message to the right-wingers.
37:21
It's not the job of the American taxpayer
37:23
or the American soldier to go and fight your
37:26
war for you like mercenary to the point. It's
37:29
not the desire of the American voters. The polls
37:32
are very clear on that from left to right. If
37:35
there is one question I would have been able
37:38
to have asked, it would have been this:
37:44
Do you think that Netanyahu made a strategic
37:46
error by getting on the Internet and then lecturing
37:53
the American people about gas prices? How did
37:58
that play on the Israeli street? Was it non-sequitur?
38:02
Look, oh, yeah. Well, it didn't help, right?
38:04
I think fortunately for Netanyahu, maybe not
38:08
a lot of Americans saw that. Yeah, that's what
38:10
I was going to say. Israelis care about American
38:13
gas prices or that Netanyahu is lecturing Americans.
38:16
He got the American president to come out and
38:18
endorse him. Either way. No, I get that. But
38:21
Netanyahu, I think the concern in Israel is obviously
38:24
like, it's kind of like in Ukraine for Zelensky.
38:27
America is Big Mac Daddy with the deep pockets
38:30
and you don't want him to cut your allowance,
38:33
right? Well, not only that, but let's
38:37
be completely honest here. Netanyahu all but
38:39
admitted that Israel cannot finish the job on
38:42
Iran on its own. He needs the American
38:46
military job either unless it's willing to use
38:50
nukes. Well, who says we're not, but the
38:53
point I'm trying to make is that the fact
38:57
that you have a foreign leader and you already
38:59
have this backlash here in the United States
39:01
between Democrats, Republicans, like every basically
39:03
the populace, just call it that way, against American
39:07
involvement in this war. And then you have a
39:08
foreign leader who's coming in and then criticizing
39:13
you. That's just a bad look. Not to your case,
39:16
JT. Maybe it was Americans are just so checked
39:18
out. But for Israel, they kind of live here because
39:22
they decided to put their country in a very bad
39:24
spot. Yeah. Guys, one bit of housekeeping we
39:28
have to do. And Robby, you can explain this
39:31
a little better than I can. But if you're on
39:34
Rumble and you're watching the show, we appreciate
39:35
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40:01
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40:03
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40:05
what they used to pay us. But we still want that
40:08
tenth. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, it's bad. So
40:13
if y'all would, just between now and Halloween,
40:17
whenever y'all see us live on a live stream,
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just come drop an emoji and say hi. We have a
40:21
plan that might fix that, right? Yeah, I'm testing
40:24
out here. Yeah, I'm testing that right now on
40:26
my gaming channel. Don't explain it here because
40:29
it'll publicize it. Okay. So yeah, I have high
40:34
hopes for that. All right. Thanks, Robby. Okay.
40:36
All right. So if you're just joining us, we just
40:39
had Israeli Professor Gideon Rahat talk to us
40:42
to break down the Israeli elections. I would
40:44
recommend that you go to the beginning of the
40:46
show and watch it. It's really enlightening.
40:49
Next week, the election results are going to
40:51
come in in Israel. And he really helps explain
40:55
exactly the lay of the land and how their system
40:57
works. So you'll be the smartest person in the
41:00
room on Wednesday morning around the office cooler
41:02
if you listen to it. Now, as for the remainder
41:05
of the show, we've got TMI coming on in 18 minutes.
41:09
We have three main stories we wanted to touch
41:11
upon, plus whatever you guys want to talk about.
41:14
DOJ is launching, has charged 28 green card
41:19
holders in the state of California with voting
41:21
illegally. ICE has decided to... they, there was that
41:26
video of ICE running over a guy who on purpose
41:30
who is running away? Well, now they're apparently
41:33
this has become their new tactic now. They're
41:36
running over bicyclists. They ran over a bicyclist
41:39
on purpose in Long Beach, California. We'll
41:42
get into that. He was a U.S. citizen to boot.
41:45
And in Saudi Arabia, and I know Jamarl
41:50
you're probably gonna have thoughts about this,
41:52
they decided to cancel their so-called Davos
41:56
in the Desert investment summit. My tickets have
41:59
been cancelled. I'm very sad. I wonder why. Yeah,
42:03
something going on. I don't know. We'll get into
42:07
all that. A bunch of rich people don't want to
42:08
have missiles falling on their heads. It's like,
42:10
oh my God, I'm too rich to die. It'll mess up
42:14
my hair. Okay, so yeah, what do you want to talk
42:18
about first? Well, let's talk about that since
42:20
we already got stuffed into it anyway. Since
42:22
we're already laughing about it. Yeah, I guess
42:25
I'm laughing about it. Maybe I shouldn't because
42:26
it is a war. I got to laugh. Well, there's humor
42:31
in war. Are you kidding? There's humor in that.
42:33
It's like the idea of all these rich
42:35
people are like, oh, I don't know if I want to
42:40
accept that risk to talk to other rich people
42:42
about how we're going to fuck over the world.
42:45
I would do that in a more safe location. God,
42:50
man, how humiliating that is. And just to be
42:52
clear, Saudi Arabia, the irony is just breathtaking.
42:55
Saudi Arabia had the blockade on Yemen for years.
43:00
And now Yemen, Ansar Allah specifically, has
43:02
put a blockade on Saudi Arabia. This is definitely
43:06
the mouse that roared, right? Yes. Yeah, it really
43:10
is. And it's also funny. The thing is,
43:15
Ansar Allah is poor as shit, underarmed as shit,
43:20
outgunned as shit, and it doesn't matter. It
43:25
doesn't seem to matter. Saudi Arabia is like
43:26
the fourth most expensive military in the world
43:29
or something, like fourth or fifth. So to me,
43:31
what's notable about this is, look, who gives
43:33
a shit about this summit that most people have
43:35
never even heard of, right? But what matters
43:38
is this is the new reality for Saudi Arabia.
43:43
They can't do boo. They can't export their oil.
43:46
They can't have the airport open. Tourists can't
43:51
fly in and out of reality. Who would want to?
43:54
By the way, what's going to happen? What's going
43:56
to happen with the Hajj, right? They
43:59
host the Hajj. If the airport's fucking
44:02
closed, how could you host the Hajj? So there's
44:06
just like a lot of implications to all this.
44:09
They have the holiest sites in Mecca.
44:11
In Islam, in Mecca. And Medina.
44:15
It's crazy. And look, the Saudis,
44:20
they're going to have to get real and come to
44:23
Jesus and bring in... and bring their conflict
44:27
with the Yemenis under control. They're going
44:29
to have to pull out of Yemen. They're going to
44:31
have to... Muhammad on this one. He will have
44:35
to come to Muhammad. Jesus will sit this one
44:39
out. As long as Saudi Arabia continues being
44:44
Israel's lapdog, even if they pull out of Yemen,
44:46
I don't think the Houthis will let go of that
44:48
ankle. They're going to keep it on. Ansar Allah
44:51
has even made the point of saying, maybe you
44:53
shouldn't have Mecca. Why should a country aligned
44:57
with the Jewish supremacist colony that's committed
44:59
a genocide against other Muslims have the responsibility
45:03
of holding on to this holy Muslim site? You can't
45:08
really move Mecca. Yeah, but you can take it.
45:13
Yeah, borders are fungible. Borders are fungible.
45:16
Mecca stays where it is, is my point. Mecca stays
45:19
where it is, but it doesn't have to be, quote,
45:20
Saudi Arabia. Can you imagine, like, oh, we decided
45:22
to, it's like Jewish homeland, which should have
45:25
been after World War II in Germany. It's like,
45:27
oh, we're going to move Mecca to, I don't know,
45:30
like Vanuatu. It's like, where it's safe. It's
45:33
like, okay, all Muslims, you're going to have
45:35
to, all right, let's pivot 38 degrees. Like,
45:38
we have to pray from a different angle.
45:41
Place of anywhere you should punish the country
45:43
that did the genocide. Like this argument that
45:45
Israelis make all the time is like, well, we
45:47
had to go somewhere. No, you didn't. That doesn't
45:51
give you the right to steal somebody else's land,
45:52
like not to mention you already lived right in
45:56
or right next door to the people who... Yeah,
45:59
they are the people who should give up the land.
46:01
Listen, that's where you make your Jerusalem if
46:05
that's right. Listen, at the end of the day, Islam
46:07
has something that Christianity does not have.
46:10
Like, no, we have the traditions that were... No, Jesus
46:13
was crucified Jerusalem on Golgotha. The Muslims
46:16
have the rock, so you can pick the rock up and
46:18
you can move it someplace else. It's not
46:22
about the rock. The Rock is where the tech was.
46:40
That's the point. Listen, I'm kind of kidding.
46:44
Just a little bit. It's hilarious. I'm sure Allah
46:49
brings up a valid point. No, the fact that Saudi
46:54
Arabia wants to put together an Islamic Defense
46:57
League to defend Islam against Muslims who are
47:02
opposing you, who oppose the genocide of other
47:06
Muslims. It's fucked up. That is the ultimate
47:09
irony. So if you're able to do that. It's treasonous.
47:14
It's ridiculous. So if you're able to do that.
47:16
Maybe you don't have the rock anymore. And then
47:19
we'll make sermons for Mecca about Ansar Allah.
47:23
Like that's amazing. That's just amazing. Like
47:27
the irony is. Call up the bin Laden construction
47:30
group and tell them to get busy moving that thing.
47:33
Seriously, just finish that rock to either Gaza
47:37
or to Tehran. You could make Mecca an international
47:42
city of its own, like Vatican City, and make
47:45
it its own jurisdiction outside of Saudi jurisdiction.
47:50
Oh, that's interesting. Which, by the way, would
47:52
elevate Islam, I think. I think it really would.
47:57
He has a damn good point. Honestly, that's
48:00
what I would push for if I were Muslim. I'd say,
48:02
like, this should be an international city administered
48:04
by a coalition of Muslim governments, both Shia
48:08
and Sunni. And it should be administered
48:11
like an international city. People can come and
48:13
go. It's just for religious devotees. It's just for pilgrims. Let me say this real
48:20
quick. Push for that. This is real quick while
48:23
I'm up here. Things are not looking good for
48:26
the Saudis at all. I would not bet on them at
48:28
all. We need to lose the war. Yeah, it's a win.
48:31
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All right. So, so you're saying if you watch
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the things that people will do for me, since
52:48
I'm not taking a paycheck on the program anymore,
52:51
is that people will jump over on YouTube, pull
52:53
up a playlist, let it run, and I collect the
52:55
pennies from the ad revenue. It's not a lot to
53:00
ask if you enjoy the content that you're currently
53:04
consuming. No, exactly. God, we've got
53:07
two more stories to do in six minutes, so I've
53:09
got to rush this along. But totally what Robby
53:12
said. Look, back in the 90s, everybody
53:15
subscribed to print newspapers, like two, probably
53:18
two or three a day, at least one. Everybody got,
53:21
like, subscribed to several magazines. It all
53:23
cost money. Right? It's like you want content
53:26
you get to pay for it. It's just that the model
53:28
has changed. Now you pay for a la carte. You pay
53:32
specifically for the things that you personally
53:34
care about and you don't pay for the things you
53:36
don't watch, and I don't know, I kind of think
53:38
in some ways that's better. Okay, well the thing
53:40
is it's crowd, it's like a billion channels. Yeah.
53:44
It's like, okay, which of the billion do I subscribe
53:49
to even with it in context of like specific the
53:51
ones you should only really financially support
53:53
the ones you really care about. ICE is... they
53:57
deliberately ran over a dude on his e-bike.
54:01
The guy's arm was shattered in
54:05
a million pieces. Then the cop, the ICE
54:09
guys got out of their unmarked car, sounds familiar,
54:12
got out and tased him and pinned him down when
54:15
he complained that he was an American citizen.
54:17
Obviously he was just taupe colored,
54:21
so yeah, they decided like, yeah, he fits
54:24
the profile, and Long Island police
54:28
are not pleased, not pleased, right? Well, they
54:35
may prosecute. The Houston cops are looking
54:39
to prosecute ICE. Well, that's what I mean. They
54:41
need to prosecute. Like, it needs to be this
54:43
thing of impunity. It stops. If the officers
54:46
or these ICE agents, these goons are breaking
54:49
the law, they should be prosecuted like anybody
54:50
else. If I ran somebody over with my bike, I'm
54:53
being prosecuted. They fucking handcuffed the
54:55
guy with the fucking broken arm. And he's American,
54:59
which means you even hit the wrong target. Yeah,
55:03
you had and you had no just cause, and I don't
55:05
care if the guy had like he had all the illegal
55:08
illegalities in the world. You don't fucking run
55:11
a guy down on his bike. I'm just putting out even
55:15
that they got wrong. Like, you're right. You
55:19
had one job. One job, right? And you're getting
55:23
that and you are no good at it. And there's no
55:27
armed police force in America that has more money
55:31
or more goons than you do. And you still don't
55:35
know what the fuck you're doing. For
55:37
God's sake. Like, this shouldn't keep happening,
55:41
right? No. And again, they need to be prosecuted.
55:45
Yeah, 100%. It will not stop unless the prosecutions
55:50
do not stop. Yeah, you broke the wrong guy's
55:52
arm. At least from what they were aiming for.
55:55
That's horrendous. Whether he was American,
55:58
whether he was otherwise, that's not the way
56:00
to do the job. It's outrageous. Speaking of retards
56:03
in the minutes, in the couple few minutes that
56:05
we have left. So the Justice Department has charged
56:08
28 Californians. They're all permanent residents,
56:12
green card holders. They all appeared on a list
56:15
of 20,000 names that the DOJ handed over to
56:18
California. We have no idea how the United States
56:21
government compiled this list. But apparently,
56:25
so they've all been charged with voting illegally.
56:28
Okay, here's the funny part, right? Many of them
56:31
don't appear to have actually ever voted. They
56:34
may have been registered, accidentally,
56:37
like when they got naturalized. And
56:43
we're talking about, it could have been a bureaucratic
56:45
glitch, like in New Jersey, where 6,000 people
56:48
who didn't even know ended up getting registered
56:51
to vote. But basically they criminally
56:55
charged them, and they're also trying to get the
56:59
courts to say that all ballots of alleged
57:03
non-citizens should be invalidated before next
57:07
the elections in two weeks. This is
57:10
just talk about election interference. They use
57:12
they could, they could say Todd Thomas.
57:16
Okay, well, we have four Todd Thomases. Obviously,
57:19
they're voting more than once. And it's like,
57:22
there could be multiple people with the name
57:24
of Todd Thomas. There sure could. My grandfather
57:28
and my uncle, McCoy Thomas, McCoy Thomas Jr.,
57:31
there were times where they came looking for
57:32
my grandfather and picked up my uncle. And the
57:36
cops were too dumb to know who they were. How
57:38
many John Smith Jrs. are there in the country,
57:40
right? That's the most common name for a long
57:41
time. I know there's other Ted Ralls.
57:43
I've heard about them. Yeah. And that's not even
57:46
the most common name. Yeah, obviously multiple
57:48
Ted Ralls voted. Ted Rall is obviously breaking
57:52
the law. He voted five times. Basically
57:56
this whole approach, I know what they're figuring
57:58
is like, okay, so we're just going to throw a
58:00
lot of shit at the wall and see what sticks prosecutorially,
58:03
right? That shit's so wrong. It's so wrong. There
58:05
should be consequences for doing that. Like they
58:08
should, if the authorities really
58:11
do a good job and they charge you and it turns
58:14
out that you walk, that's a different thing.
58:16
But when there's just like overcharging and we'll
58:19
just charge everyone and anybody who
58:21
is innocent, they'll have to hire a lawyer and
58:24
get out of it and be inconvenienced and they'll
58:26
have to spend tens of thousands of dollars and
58:28
this will become their stressed out life for
58:30
the next few years. That's insane. They should
58:32
be, the government should have to compensate
58:35
these people. Well, not just compensate. There
58:38
should be consequences for the government in
58:39
general for doing some nonsense like that. I
58:41
mean, it's not in good faith. As you point out,
58:44
it's not like, hey, we actually found this person.
58:47
And you find out after the fact there was a bureaucratic
58:49
glitch that did blah, blah, blah. It's not that.
58:52
That's not that. The Trump administration has
58:54
been going with this idea, just as context. The
58:58
Trump administration has been going with this
58:59
idea that there was an election fraud. Hence,
59:02
they're doing all of the stuff to try to make
59:04
the case of saying, see, see, look at the fraud
59:06
we were telling you about when I won the election
59:09
but was stolen from. It's that nonsense. Exactly.
59:12
And that's it for today's show. So tomorrow we'll
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be back for the full two hours from 9 to 11 a
59:18
.m. TMI show coming up right now. Robby, what's
59:22
up? Efuso, thank you for the dollar. Movie idea.
59:25
Hexeth out of Saudi Arabia. Send that drunk lunatic
59:28
to unite the tribes. The Israelis make the humiliation
59:32
ritual consistent to deny Christ by removing
59:34
their cross first. Did the rooster crow. Thank
59:37
you, Efuso. Okay. Goodbye, everyone. Tomorrow,
59:42
I'll see you tomorrow. Ravi, stay tuned. TMI.
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Bye.