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Behind Closed BeaDOORS: Alexis & John RHOC Recap Reveal · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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  Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey,
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  Speaker 1: and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and
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  Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
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  Speaker 1: Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in
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  Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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  Speaker 1: scripted as well. All raindrops on today's episode of Reality
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  Speaker 1: with the King.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, I am so blessed. I love my life. I
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  Speaker 2: love my job.
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  Speaker 1: And I love recapping this show with Alexis Jansen because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's moments like this when Alexis Jansen activates
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  Speaker 1: an episode that I have the privilege of of getting
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  Speaker 1: the exclusive because she's my co-host, as you all know.
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  Speaker 2: And Alexis, in.
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  Speaker 1: The words of Ramona Singer, formerly of the Real Housewives
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  Speaker 1: of New York City, wow, Bethany, wow.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well, I'll start with this part. It was hard
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  Speaker 3: for me to watch. There's a lot left out, but
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  Speaker 3: that's okay. We'll get to that point. But it was, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: my poor kids, I'm like, okay, they have to, like,
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  Speaker 3: this is why they come to me and they say, mom,
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  Speaker 3: we want nothing to do with your entertainment world. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, you don't.
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  Speaker 2: So good.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad y'all have different career paths.
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  Speaker 1: Look, it's funny, like with parents, do, don't, what was it?
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  Speaker 1: What's the, what's the, what's the, the, the phrase, Alexis?
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  Speaker 1: Do what I say, not what I do.
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  Speaker 3: Do what I say, not what I do.
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  Speaker 1: That's the Alexis Jackson model as a mommy.
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  Speaker 3: So true. I mean, like, honestly, Carlos, what's so weird,
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  Speaker 3: I've never been in a position where I'm recapping about
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  Speaker 3: an episode that involves me that I know the emotions
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  Speaker 3: I had at the time that now I have to
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  Speaker 3: clarify and I feel like I have to defend myself,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't really have to defend myself because that
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  Speaker 3: was pretty, you know, I was emotional, but it's like,
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  Speaker 3: I definitely overreacted.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I'll give you that.
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  Speaker 4: I overreacted.
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  Speaker 3: I was, here's the entire thing that was going on
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  Speaker 3: in my mind. Didn't want to be there. Felt like
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  Speaker 3: they were looking to pick a fight for, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the camera and needed a moment to make the season
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  Speaker 3: somewhat pop.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Fine with that. But then what they didn't show, and
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  Speaker 3: I don't know where you want to go, Carla. Like,
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  Speaker 3: we don't talk. So I don't know where you want
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  Speaker 3: to go.
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  Speaker 2: We don't talk, right.
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  Speaker 3: So what I was going to say, and tell me
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  Speaker 3: if I'm going too soon and you want to back
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  Speaker 3: up about it, but where they didn't show a lot
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  Speaker 3: of it was the talk between Heather and I.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's start here then because what was interesting.
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  Speaker 2: As I was watching... was part two.
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  Speaker 1: Not part two of the episode, because it was a
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  Speaker 1: continuation from last week.
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  Speaker 2: I mean part two of y'all conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Because y'all had one at the top of the episode,
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  Speaker 1: and then y'all had a second one. So before we
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  Speaker 1: get into that, because again, like you said, don't know
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  Speaker 1: where you're going with it, but I do want to
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  Speaker 1: start at least with how the episode began. And what
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  Speaker 1: was so interesting is you and Heather... are having a standoff.
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  Speaker 1: It gave like one of those old school cowboy movies
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  Speaker 1: where you're like, and you're standing with your harness and
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  Speaker 1: your weapon.
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  Speaker 2: So in this moment, Alexis, we have.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you're telling Heather she's insecure. Heather is saying
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  Speaker 1: she's not insecure. And she says, bye, bitch. Which I
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  Speaker 1: thought was.
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  Speaker 2: So... Good TV.
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  Speaker 3: You think I'm Heather and I think good TV. So
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  Speaker 3: it's okay.
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  Speaker 2: Which goes hand in hand.
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  Speaker 3: It does.
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  Speaker 2: It works.
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  Speaker 3: It works. I... I couldn't even form words because I
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  Speaker 3: was so hurt by even her, like, I thought she'd
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  Speaker 3: come out and be like, oh my gosh, I can
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  Speaker 3: see you're upset. Like I was visibly like trying to
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  Speaker 3: hold back tears that whole time. I thought she'd come
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  Speaker 3: out and be like, oh my gosh, you're actually upset
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  Speaker 3: because I thought we were friends, right? Like still kind
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  Speaker 3: of whatever, somewhat friends. And I still think, I don't
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  Speaker 3: even know. We'll get into, we'll unpack all that as
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  Speaker 3: this episode goes on. But, um, it was just so
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  Speaker 3: much because I didn't want to go. I felt there
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  Speaker 3: was something in my gut saying, this is going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Something's going to happen. They've got something up their sleeves.
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  Speaker 3: And it did. And I didn't have my composure. I
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  Speaker 3: was emotional. I had PTSD from season 18. And I just,
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  Speaker 3: I did lose it. And I'm okay with that. You
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  Speaker 3: know what? I live in the, because this is what
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  Speaker 3: I've always taught my kids. is you don't hold your
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  Speaker 3: feelings back because if you do, then it's all going
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  Speaker 3: to be inside and you can't get it out. Well,
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  Speaker 3: guess what I've done? I've withheld a lot of moving
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  Speaker 3: forward to the inside scene. I've held a lot in
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  Speaker 3: about how I feel about what Heather did to me
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  Speaker 3: after season 18. So yeah, I did have a moment
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  Speaker 3: on camera and it was real. And this is the
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  Speaker 3: thing about reality TV, Carlos, that's so interesting is that
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  Speaker 3: It is real time. And they don't, they can cut
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  Speaker 3: and edit it however they want it to be portrayed
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  Speaker 3: or whatever they want it to show. But it's real.
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  Speaker 3: You're not on a script. It is real TV. So
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  Speaker 3: if I would have known, you know, looking back that
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  Speaker 3: I would have behaved that way or had those emotions
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  Speaker 3: just come overflowing to where my husband couldn't even calm
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  Speaker 3: me down, then I would have said no. But that's
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  Speaker 3: what I felt in the Uber on the way there.
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  Speaker 3: So why didn't I say no then? But when we
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  Speaker 3: move inside and you want to talk about inside, then
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  Speaker 3: we can talk.
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  Speaker 1: So let's talk about the fact that, you know, Heather
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  Speaker 1: says that you're mad because she told Shannon about the
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  Speaker 1: footage that.
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  Speaker 2: John had of the crash.
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  Speaker 1: And Heather said you nor John told her not to
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  Speaker 1: tell Shannon because And that even if you did, she
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  Speaker 1: would have done it anyway. She would have told Shannon anyway.
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  Speaker 1: How did that make you feel?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know how it made me feel because I
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  Speaker 3: looked at the cameras and said, thank you for capturing that.
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  Speaker 3: Because it shows you exactly Heather's, Heather had no point. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so let me back up real quick. When John and I,
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  Speaker 3: it was John, by the way, that disclosed this information
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  Speaker 3: to Heather because it was not mine to share with her.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I did know about the videos. I do know about
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  Speaker 3: the whole incidents. I have watched it all. I know
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  Speaker 3: it all. However, it's not mine to share. It's John's.
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  Speaker 3: But yet I'm the one that's the TV character and
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  Speaker 3: trying to live a reality life. So it all kind
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  Speaker 3: of came to a head. We told Heather in confidence.
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  Speaker 3: And yes, she did know it was in confidence. And
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  Speaker 3: by the way, Carlos... She told us, do not ever
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  Speaker 3: tell anyone this information. You cannot share this with anyone.
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  Speaker 3: This is you guys need to go twice. She told
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  Speaker 3: us that on the phone. And then when we were
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  Speaker 3: at Rare Society Restaurant, she said, do not ever share
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  Speaker 3: this information, Alexis. You guys cannot. And John always said,
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  Speaker 3: what's wrong with the truth? My truth is not bad.
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  Speaker 3: You know what?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, John.
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  Speaker 3: Hold on a second.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on. Johnny.
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  Speaker 4: Raindrops.
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  Speaker 2: I think she's getting John. We're about to get an exclusive.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the problem, Carlos. I'm about to start. I don't
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  Speaker 3: even know if he's going to do this.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I have a favor and we can, I know we
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  Speaker 3: can cut all this. I'm so mad and my heart's racing,
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  Speaker 3: but here's the deal. There was never honey.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: He's dressed in pajamas. I don't even know.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: We can cut Carlos. We can cut.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, John.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. I'm about to say the truth and I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to speak for you, but here's the thing we
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  Speaker 3: were just talking about and we have a flight to catch.
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  Speaker 3: So you've got to make this quick. If you even
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  Speaker 3: want it, this is the problem. We have 44 minutes
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  Speaker 3: to get through this whole episode.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: I feel if I'm, I'm about to, you're on the
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  Speaker 3: whole Heather. I'm talking about the, what happened last night
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  Speaker 3: when Heather said, okay, here's, let me back up real quick.
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  Speaker 3: So when we went inside and I'm talking to Heather and,
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  Speaker 3: They cut out like 12 minutes of our conversation. I
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  Speaker 3: was actually telling Heather, my beef with you is that
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  Speaker 3: after season 18, you disclosed that John was physically assaulted
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  Speaker 3: by Shannon. Never Heather's to share. That's when they picked
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  Speaker 3: cameras up after the reunion. That was the nail in
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  Speaker 3: my coffin.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I was still upset about that. They cut all that out.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: They then cut to when Heather goes, oh, but John
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  Speaker 3: heard the crash. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. OK, I get.
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  Speaker 2: OK, so.
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  Speaker 1: So, John, first of all, good morning. You guys have
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  Speaker 1: a flight to catch and I appreciate.
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  Speaker 3: Going on the flight in pajamas. That's why you only
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  Speaker 3: have 44 minutes. I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: So so I want to make I want to make
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  Speaker 1: sure I understand why you brought him in. So, John, Alexis,
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  Speaker 1: your beautiful wife, was telling us that when you and
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  Speaker 1: her were with Heather, I'm assuming Terry was there, that
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  Speaker 1: when you spoke about having the footage of the crash,
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  Speaker 1: Alexis said that Heather told you guys, do not tell
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  Speaker 1: anybody this information and keep it to yourself.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Yeah, what she told people not to tell anybody
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  Speaker 4: about was that I heard the crash. And here's the
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  Speaker 4: part like.
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  Speaker 3: But yet then she goes back on national camera or
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  Speaker 3: national television and lets everyone known unbeknownst to us and
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  Speaker 3: also private information that we did never want to share
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  Speaker 3: with anyone. We were going to take... Hold on. Now
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  Speaker 3: I'm regretting inviting you in.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: We told each other we were going to take this
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  Speaker 3: to the grave.
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: Okay. John had every opportunity to share this with America.
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  Speaker 3: All of the season 18 that the footage we had
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  Speaker 3: and all this, we decided, you know what? We're going
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  Speaker 3: to protect Shannon and not tell anyone. Well, Thank you, Heather,
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  Speaker 3: for giving us this platform because now we have to
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  Speaker 3: and we don't even want to. But guess what? I
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  Speaker 3: was going to do it. And then I'm like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and in my mind just now, Carlos, I'm like, everyone's
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  Speaker 3: going to beat me up because I'm speaking for John again.
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  Speaker 3: He happens to be packing, taking care of our dogs,
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  Speaker 3: getting us out of this house. So guess what? Now
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  Speaker 3: he can tell us. Finally tell. Thank you, Heather, for
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  Speaker 3: your un... thoughtfulness of sharing information that was never yours
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  Speaker 3: to share. John, please tell Little Kate.
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  Speaker 4: The problem, Carlos, is, and I mean, you know this
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  Speaker 4: as a producer more than anybody, that reality TV a
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  Speaker 4: lot of times is not real. And what I mean
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  Speaker 4: by that is there are so many lies by omission.
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  Speaker 4: And the Heather comment, I mean, even the way it
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  Speaker 4: came out where they said, Heather told Shannon that that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I had disclosed that he hit me. You know,
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  Speaker 4: and I never wanted to talk about this, but I'm
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  Speaker 4: so sick of being the bad guy. Let me talk.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm so sick of being the bad guy and
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  Speaker 4: this false narrative that's out there about me that is
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  Speaker 4: so unfair. And I like Terry and Heather, and I
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  Speaker 4: don't know why she's doing this, but she keeps bringing
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  Speaker 4: this up that John heard the crash as if it's
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  Speaker 4: some kind of a smoking gun. And that comment by
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  Speaker 4: itself does kind of make me look bad. So the
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  Speaker 4: audience is left thinking, wow, he heard the crash and
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  Speaker 4: he didn't do anything. So here's the truth, is that
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  Speaker 4: that night was a horrible night. And everybody talks about
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  Speaker 4: Shannon got in her car because she was so upset
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  Speaker 4: by this horrible fight that she had. There was no
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  Speaker 4: fight on my side. Shannon showed up. We were broken up.
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  Speaker 4: She showed up at my house uninvited and inebriated beyond
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  Speaker 4: belief and had lost her phone. And I'm always the
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  Speaker 4: person that solved her problems. And so I helped her
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  Speaker 4: find her phone, but I didn't bring it back to
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  Speaker 4: my house. I left it on the front door of
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  Speaker 4: the house she was staying at, which was 150 yards
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  Speaker 4: away from my home, because I didn't want her to
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  Speaker 4: be staying at my home. I wanted her out of
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  Speaker 4: my home. When she realized I didn't bring the phone back,
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  Speaker 4: she went into a Tasmanian devil-like craze and physically attacked me,
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  Speaker 4: not hitting me once, but just a barrage of scratches
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  Speaker 4: and punches and kicks and And all I was doing
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  Speaker 4: is trying to just back away and prevent myself from
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  Speaker 4: getting hurt. I never put a hand on her. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: so that's important that I was physically attacked for about
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  Speaker 4: five minutes. Then my daughters show up and the thing
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  Speaker 4: goes out front and I tell my daughters what's going on.
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  Speaker 4: Shannon comes out, she's screaming and yelling in the neighborhood.
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  Speaker 4: Lights are going on. People are waking up and she's
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  Speaker 4: trying to get in her car. I am physically preventing
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  Speaker 4: her from getting in her car. And other people don't
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  Speaker 4: know this. I was trying everything I could in my
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  Speaker 4: power without putting hands on her to not have her
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  Speaker 4: get in her car and drive. I offered Ubers. She
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  Speaker 4: could walk home easily. And finally, Because people are starting
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  Speaker 4: to come outside, I step aside and I remember saying, Shannon,
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  Speaker 4: you're a drunk idiot and you're going to be arrested tonight. Ominous,
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  Speaker 4: you know, prophecy there because she was in fact arrested.
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  Speaker 4: She pulls out of my driveway, like floors it backwards. Ominous?
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  Speaker 4: Literally comes within a half an inch of hitting one
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  Speaker 4: of my daughters. And it blows me away that the
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  Speaker 4: Bravo audience just kisses that off as no big deal.
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  Speaker 4: If anybody in the audience that hears this had their
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  Speaker 4: daughter almost hit by a car by a drunk maniac,
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  Speaker 4: would they blow it off as, oh, no big deal?
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  Speaker 4: It was a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 4: So when I was trying to prevent her from getting
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  Speaker 4: in the car, she attacks me again. Again, lights are
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  Speaker 4: going on. People are coming outside. I'm being physically assaulted again.
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  Speaker 4: So I stepped aside and I said those words. She
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  Speaker 4: got in, pulls out, goes around. Of course, I hear
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  Speaker 4: the crash. My instinct is to go run to the crash.
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  Speaker 4: I start to do that. Both my daughters stop me
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  Speaker 4: and say.
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  Speaker 3: Dad, you can see they yank on his shirt and say, no, dad,
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  Speaker 3: don't go. We'll go.
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  Speaker 4: So they wanted to prevent me getting near her where
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  Speaker 4: she attacks me again and there's another big scene. So
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  Speaker 4: they said, we will go. They immediately went to check
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  Speaker 4: out on my behalf to see that Shannon was okay.
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  Speaker 4: That when they go around the corner, Shannon is pulling
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  Speaker 4: away from the scene of the crime. So we are
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  Speaker 4: left to assume she must be okay. She's drove away
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  Speaker 4: from the scene of the crime.
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  Speaker 3: But then an hour later, Archie shows up. Okay, we
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  Speaker 3: gotta go.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm almost done with the story. So basically then
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  Speaker 4: the police arrive at my house an hour later with Archie.
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  Speaker 4: And so I took Archie in and took care of him.
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  Speaker 4: It was obvious to me what had happened. She had
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  Speaker 4: been arrested. I was on the phone with Shannon's daughters
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  Speaker 4: literally all night long. I did not sleep. I was
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  Speaker 4: there at the jail to pick her up the next morning. Remember,
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  Speaker 4: we're broken up and she had attacked me and done
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  Speaker 4: all this stuff. I put it all aside. And in
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  Speaker 4: her darkest moment, I took care of her. I picked
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  Speaker 4: her up. I picked 10 days. I picked her up
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  Speaker 4: from jail. I took her home. I went and got
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  Speaker 4: her groceries. I fed her. I bathed her. I took
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  Speaker 4: her to her doctor's appointments. I took care of this
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  Speaker 4: woman and then delivered her to Vicki Gumbelson's house on
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  Speaker 4: the 10th day. At that point, there's some other things
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  Speaker 4: that happened that I finally called Shannon and said, I
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  Speaker 4: can't be in your life. It's too chaotic. There's too
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  Speaker 4: much negative that comes with it for me and my family.
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  Speaker 4: And that's when I completely cut ties with Shannon. So
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  Speaker 4: back to the lie by omission. I don't understand Heather
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  Speaker 4: Dubrow isolating this one comment. John heard the crash.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, Heather heard all of this. John disclosed
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  Speaker 3: and was so thought like, like thought he was sharing
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  Speaker 3: it with good.
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  Speaker 4: Friends to be short. Let me make it short. Cause I'm,
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  Speaker 4: I'm wrapping this up. A lie by omission is that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, all the information, and you choose to disclose
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: one piece of it that leaves a very false impression.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: So saying John heard the crash without the before of
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: the physical attacks and the after of my daughter's immediately
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: going to see that Shannon was okay, leaving that out
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: is a lie by omission, and it's unfair, and I'm
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: sick of being the bad guy. I'm not. I was
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: a good guy on that night. And I was a
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: good guy for 10 days afterwards for Shannon. And that's
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: the story.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: And John, first of all, thank you for that. I
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: know you have to run. I just want to say,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: because the audience will ask me to ask you this.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: And for the record, you told Heather all of this.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: I told Heather. It was a moment. We were friends.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, at least we thought we were. And we
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: thought we could share in confidence. It's hard to have
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: all this information and people have all these things they're
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: thinking out there. And you kind of want some people
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: to know, even though I wasn't prepared to go completely
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: public with it because I wanted to protect Shannon and
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: her daughters.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: But it is not. You do want some people to
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: know just so, you know.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Well, we also thought they were our friends. And so
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Heather and Tamara both knew all of this information. They
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: knew about everything. We thought we were going to friends
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: who could help guide us through this because I said,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: how am I supposed to film Shannon now, knowing all
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: of this, knowing she almost hit my stepkid? How am
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: I supposed to film the rest of the season? And
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: I've seen it.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: I watched a lot of it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: How am I supposed to film?
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Carlos, anything else you want to ask me before I go?
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: No, I appreciate your ability to speak on this, because
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I know that it was hard to watch last night.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: So thank you for your... story and i'm not afraid
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: that needs to be heard that's the.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Thing literally i'm not afraid of the truth the truth
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: is not bad on my side it doesn't look good
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: for shannon but i'm not afraid of it and by
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: the way good to see.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: You good to see you john safe travels.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Our now we're 15 minutes behind schedule so you that
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: was a long thing we gotta go no by the
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: way go ahead lexus Well, I was just going to
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: say none of this would have been talked about today.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: None of this would have been talked about last week
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: if Heather Dubrow had not shared information that she then
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: goes on a confessional and says, well, I would have
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: told Shannon anyway. Okay, well, that shows also the kind
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: of friend you are. So people do not tell Heather
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: things that you want close to your heart because she
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: obviously isn't going to be a vault. That's all I'm
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: going to say. And this is the other part that sucks. Carlos,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: is I do care about Heather. I do like her.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: I do have this weird love in my heart because
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: I thought we were friends. Why else would my husband
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: only tell two people in the entire world that true
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: story from everything? Because I was pent up not knowing
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: where I was going to take this information. Where do
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: I go with this information now that I've just... I
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: found this out when I'm already filming, Carlos.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: So.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: I was just like, oh, my gosh, you could have
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: told me this a couple months ago, John. And so
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: we were going to people that we thought are in
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: the entertainment world that would be able to help navigate
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: me how to film with someone as a cast mate,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: as an employee. And so this is the reality. So
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: you're welcome at Reality with the King. Well, I did
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: not know.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Also.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: I feel not well, right? This is a lot of
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: living that night again, because I can see it all
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: playing in my mind again is very difficult. So this
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: is going to be a really hard pod to do.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, first of all, and I have to catch up. Yeah, no, no, no, no.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: And listen, I feel like when it comes to all
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: of that, we can move on to the other scenes
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: because I feel like there's nothing else that needs to
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: be said based on what.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: The audience watch.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Um, And I thank you and John for.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Discussing this with me because at the end of the day,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: like he said, he's only talking about this and so
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: are you because.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Of what y'all filmed.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: If that moment, in y'all defense, right? Heather was the
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: one that said it out loud, right?
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: We would never.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Have done- John told me, Lex, I'm going to take
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: this to the grave. And I said, it's really hard
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: because I know. And by the way, it wasn't the
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: only time she physically assaulted him. There were four others
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: and he had to put or five and she had
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: to put makeup on him. Never apologized to him. Never
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: talked about it. So my husband put up with a lot.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: So for now, it all to be coming out. And
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I didn't know it was going to be on Carlos King.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: He had that interview. The last interview he was ever
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: going to do with Bryce.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: That was his last, he hasn't spoken. He has been
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: in the back, you know, but here you go.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now listen, totally get it. Totally get it.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. So raindrops, you have it.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: So we can move on Alexis.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I know. Again, there's nothing else needs to be said
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: after that.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: But thank you.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I think your.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Opinions, I mean, you can talk. It's just, it's, I feel.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no. I will say this. I
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: will say this.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: When you have a second conversation with Heather, is there
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: anything that you want to disclose that we did not
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: see in terms of why you wanted it?
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Because, listen, I know the audience. And I haven't read
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: any comments, but I know them.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: The audience will more than likely feel like, okay, Alexis,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: when she said bye, you can go. they would want
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: to know, why did you stay? Why did you want
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: to have another conversation? They think, they think, you know, some,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: not all, some people, Alexis is thirsty. She wants camera time.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: She could have left.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Why stay? Why are you there?
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Why do you want another conversation with Heather? Why did
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: you want to have another conversation with her?
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: That is so, that's such a good question. And I
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: never would have even thought to ask that, but that's
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: why you're good at your job. Um, Because we were
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: outside and I had been crying. You saw how emotional
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I got like that. But then I shut the tears
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: off and Heather, you know, walks off and I'm like, bye.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: And Joe, my husband, Tamara, producers, everybody were saying, go
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: back in. Like, dry your tears. Just go back in.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Like, you know.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: My makeup artist did a great job, like I told you,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: because you couldn't even tell. I kept looking at my compact.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: They don't show this, but it's funny. Because I'm looking
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: at my compact, like, do my tears, can you see streaks?
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: There was nothing. Thank you, Jennifer, for my makeup. And so...
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: everyone's like, you are friends with most of those people
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: in that party. Why are you letting certain ones? And
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: then I know that the housewives, when you're a cast member,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: you're going to be glue. You're going to do what
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: you have to do. I'm not a member.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: I get the whole scene and the way that they
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: all were talking bad about me in there and oh,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: this and that. But I'm still friends with most of
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: those girls and I don't even blame them for it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I don't blame them for it. I know it's like,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: oh my God, now she's coming over here. We don't
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: want the drama. I went back in Because of the
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: fact that everyone said, don't, it's going to look real
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: bad if you leave right now. My gut again, sometime
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: my gut said, oh, my Uber had pulled up. We
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: paid that Uber to leave. You know, sorry, we're not
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: getting in. Went back in the party. I did get
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: to hug and see a bunch of people and take
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: a bunch of photos with friends that I actually missed.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: I hadn't seen Fernanda in forever. I hadn't seen a
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: lot of the people forever. So it was really nice.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: And then Joe, as you saw in the scene, is real,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: pulled me over and said, you need to go talk
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: to Heather. You guys are friends. This is ridiculous. Well,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: then when I go talk to Heather, I didn't know
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: she was when I said we do have a beef, Heather.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: She knows we have a beef. She has said things
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: and she can't blame it all on me that I
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: went on this podcast. I only went on the podcast
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: and called her feckless, which means lack of character because
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: of the fact that she couldn't come. She wouldn't choose.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: You know, she was talking on Watch What Happens Live
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: about how they're not real friends with John and I
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: as a couple. And I was a hard, hard ask
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: to go to Alexis's wedding. That is why I went
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: back in. And when we were having that talk with her,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: I had no idea she was then going to, I
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: started saying in that talk, I said to Heather, you know,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: my biggest beef is that you, what you did after
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: season 18. And I started talking about how she threw
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: John under the bus about the fact that John had
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: been physically assaulted by Shannon. And the way that the
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: girls all behaved, like it was no big deal that
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: a woman just physically assaulted a man. It, is beyond me.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: But so she disclosed that after season 18, but then Carlos,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: the kicker to all this is at that party outside
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: of Tamara's Vena party. When we're talking, they, they cut
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: all that part out. She then goes, but let's get
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: to the real Alexis. John heard the crash. And I'm like,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Oh my God. Now you're even giving more information that
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: is like he said, I never looked at it like that,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: but there you're giving more. So the reason I went
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: back in was simply to have fun. and not leave
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: the scene being like, oh, she stormed off and it
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: backfired again on me. And I'm okay with it because
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: I did go in with good intentions. I did get
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: to hug some people that I hadn't seen for a while.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: I didn't know Heather was going to go below the
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: belt again and talk about a second thing was not hers.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: I just do one and talk about the physical abuse
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: John suffered for the relationship. She then talked about him
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: hearing the crash. But now at least you guys know
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: the truth. Moving on.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: My last question about this. Shannon confronted you and says
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: you want a storyline and to keep her name out
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: of your mouth. Why did you feel the need to
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: walk away and not address it head on?
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Well, they didn't air it, but I said, shut the
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: fuck up, Shannon. So they didn't show me saying that.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: But I don't know why. I mean, that would have been,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: I said, shut the fuck up, Shannon. Tamara judge heard
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: it and was no, I said, shut the fuck up, Shannon. So,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: you know, keep my name out of your mouth. You know,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: what's funny is that I said that, like I said
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: that comment in the press, like two months in when
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: she kept talking about how John was this and John
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: and Alexis and this and that. And I was like,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: she just needs to keep my name out of her mouth.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: And so she took my line. So you're welcome, Shannon,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: for that. So good. I'm glad that you got to
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: use some of my, my material. That's not scripted and
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: not thought of until the moment of. You know, I'm
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: sitting there watching the party and I'm like, she's sitting
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: there saying, keep the name, my name out of your
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: mouth about me. And I'm like, she can't stop talking
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: about John and I, the whole party. And then she's like,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: when they're getting ready to like roast me, she's like,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, come on, come on. And I'm like, oh
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: my God, you, you're talking about me. You are so
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: cringe by the way manless still I mean oh god
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: I just feel it's horrible so I you know part
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: of me part of me is like yeah it was
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: really hard for me to watch that episode and I
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: I do do I regret it or not that's a
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: really good question do I regret being that emotional I'm
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: not sure I do because it was authentically in that moment,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: having those feelings that I've been keeping built like inside,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: just keep building up. And this is why you tell
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: your children, don't hold your feelings back. If I had
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: expressed my feelings before, I wouldn't have reacted that way
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: at the party.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: No, I agree. I agree.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: And I believe in telling people how you feel in
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: the moment too. So Thank you for that. I know
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: we're on limited time because you got to run and
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: catch a flight, but.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: We have 16 minutes. We're good.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: The rest of this out in 16 minutes.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: No problem.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: No problem, girlfriend. Let's get.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: So the girls are in Tokyo. They arrive in Tokyo.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Tamara and Jen are sharing a room.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Shocker.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: In the words of Jen, hell half froze over. So
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: happy that the dynamic duo are there. So while they're
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: sharing a room, Tamara says that on the car ride there,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Emily was complaining about Shane saying that he makes her
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: feel like a bad mom because when Emily asked Shane, like,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: what are you going to do while I'm in Tokyo?
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: He told her the same thing I always do, take
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: care of the kids.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, when I saw this scene, I
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: was like, Carlos was right last episode that Emily wants
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: to make it look like Shane's the bad guy. I
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: think it's too tango in this relationship. I think they're
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: both kind of burnt out. I think you were right
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: about what you said about Emily wants out and she
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: wants to make it look like so she has a
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: scapegoat when she does file that it's like, okay, he
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: was the bad guy. I don't think Shane's the bad guy.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: I just don't. I don't know why. I know people
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: love to hate him too and people do love him.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: He's polarized. However, I just like him. And I think
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: he's funny. I think he's doing the best he can.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: I think he gave up his career so that his
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: wife could flourish and have her career. That's just my
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: two cents. And you know, the only way we would
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: know is if we would get one of them on
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: the pod to tell us the truth. They ain't coming
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: on your pod after all this.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Shane goes rogue. I don't want to talk to Emily.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I'm good. Jamie reach out to Jamie let's try to get.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Shane on the show I would love to talk to
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Shane DM him please thank you okay here's the deal
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: even when the girls were at dinner and thank you
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: for that because I thought about our conversation last week
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: too um.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, oh my gosh, Carlos
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: was right. She's going to paint him as this bad
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: guy so that she gets out of the marriage easier.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: And it's like, oh, he's been abusing me. I was like,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: she literally is doing exactly what Carlos predicted. And you
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: and I don't get that. We don't get the episodes early. No,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: we have time.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: We watch it in real time when it comes on. No,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: the thing is this.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I even said last week, which is so funny, so
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: as the girls were having dinner, it was so interesting because,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: you know, she once again is complaining about Shane. She
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: reveals that they sleep in separate rooms. They barely say
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: good morning to each other. But this is the part
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: that got me.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I know what you're doing.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: So when, I believe it was Tamara or Jen, who
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: were like, you're smoking hot now. Do you think he's insecure?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: You're always outside. You look great.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: And she's like, well, I don't know. You have to
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: ask him.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I said last week, because Emily, and
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: more power to you, girl. Emily looks amazing. And she
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: looks like a completely different person than she was when
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: she started the show. Obviously, she looks different than she
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: was when they were married. Emily looks amazing right now.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: And what I know from my experience being a producer
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: in this business for 20 years, the reason why housewives
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: divorces are at an all-time high is not always about
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: what the man did.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: The majority is, right?
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: But there's a sector of the population of housewives where
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: The woman wants something else. I believe because Emily looks
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: so fucking good. And listen, this is no shade to Shane.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Shane is not the most attractive guy in the world.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: And I think at that time in their marriage, I
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: think Emily thought that was the best she can get.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: And on top of that, he has a lot of money.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Now that she's who she is now, I think she
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: wants something different. And I think she's setting up the divorce.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: The way Bronwyn on Salt Lake City set up the
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: divorce with Todd.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Like Dorit set up the divorce with PK.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: All of a sudden, we're hearing PK's the biggest alcoholic
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: in the world.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I might think it's not true.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: But shit, none of this was even introduced to us.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: And now we understand, oh, you.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Want a divorce.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I think Emily is setting up a divorce and I
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: will go on record saying, and I don't care who
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: gets mad at me, I feel bad for Shane. Wow.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Well, you did say this last week before we even
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: got to this part of it where she's saying she
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: doesn't know if divorce is in the future. All I
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: want to say is I do feel bad for Shane.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: I do think he doesn't have the voice that the
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Housewives have, but he, you know what? Unfortunately, you can
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: crash and burn because look at what happened with Vicki Gumbelson.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: She's sitting there saying it's not better. The grass isn't
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: greener on the other side. Like, try to stick with it.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: So you may think you're hot as, you know. looks
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: fade is all I'm going to say. Stop the GPL
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: ones and life's going to be different.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: You know, stop, stop being able to go to the
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: gym so much. Life's going to be different. Um, um,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm just saying looks fade family doesn't. So
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: at all costs, I would try to stay. Should Shane,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: maybe now that he's seen this episode, should he curb
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: back a little bit on his, you know, dry humor
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: towards her?
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: That would be easy for him to do.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Um, should she maybe help out more at home to
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: where he feels like he's being heard too and not
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: so run thin? I'm not, I don't think Gina was,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: I don't think Gina was bad to try to give
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: information or like advice about, Oh, get, get someone to
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: do your laundry, get this help Shane out. I don't
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: think that was bad information to give her bad advice. However,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe both of them just need to give
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: a little bit more and then you'll be back in
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: the same bedroom. But I will tell you one thing, Carlos.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: When you start sleeping in separate bedrooms, it's the kiss
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: of death. And my ex and I, for three years,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: it was like I would be on one side of
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: the bed and I would put pillows down. I'd be like,
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: we were like, and then I would, he would go to,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: it was, it's the kiss of death. It is, it
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: is when you finally have gotten to the indifferent phase
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: that she said, which is also scary. It is almost
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: impossible to get back from the indifferent phase. I got
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: indifferent within five, like five years before it actually happened.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: I started to just be this shell of myself. So I,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I think, I think it's, it doesn't look good, but
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: you know what? Here's the one thing I will say.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: I know we're podcasting. So we're here for entertainment also,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: but I don't care how mean someone's been to me, Emily. However,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: I don't like, she called my husband a trash can
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: and I'm the lid.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: So fuck you bitch. But here at the same time, I'm,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: My heart does still hurt for them. Are you kidding? Like,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I don't want them to go through a divorce. Their
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: kids are not going to want this. If they think
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: raising Luke is hard now, try it when you're in
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: separate households and you're sharing him 50%. It's going to
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: be hard as the F-bomb.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: So I do put them together.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I don't think I'm going to. I agree. I agree.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I agree. I don't wish this on anybody.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: And the thing is, I'm not going to name a
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: housewife who I know experienced this, but I worked with
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: a housewife who thought the grass was greener and realized
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: And I.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Understand that when you get married so young... You get
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: married to the person at that time in your life
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: that you think is the perfect guy for you, and
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I get that. The one thing that I think Emily
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: is doing that I don't like is the fact that Shane,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: unless she's telling me something different, based on what she's
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: saying to me, Shane hasn't done anything to deserve the
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: treatment she's giving to him, especially when Jen even said,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I hate to say this, this is what Jen said
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: to Tamara, But I wonder, even when Emily has free time,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: if she's hanging out with the kids and helping.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: That's the thing. And that's why I said, I don't
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: hate Gina's advice about, okay, if Emily doesn't have the
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: energy to do it, because by the way, filming Housewives,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: I'm going to stick up for Emily right now. God,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: thank you for giving me a soft heart. But filming
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Housewives is not easy. It is not an easy job.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: You are so stressed out. You are so tired because
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: you're running ragged. You get back from Tokyo and you
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: have an interview the next day that you have to
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: be in glam for. You don't get to breathe. So
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: your kids do not see you for those months. So yeah,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: if Emily isn't helping out and is not able to
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: when she gets home, I think what Gina said is right.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: Why not get a little bit more help around the house?
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: You know, they can afford it because Shane's parents have
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: money growing on trees, apparently. So- Go to them and
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: get a little bit more and figure it out. I
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: don't know. I still feel bad for Shane and I
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: still don't want them to. I hope what we're saying
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: is not true and that they work it out by
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: the end of the season 20.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. No, same, same, same. Okay, so I want
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: to get into the fortune part before I let you go.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: They had a fortune reading.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I want to read you each person's reading and you
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: tell me whether you think it's going to come true, okay?
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Or if it was accurate, okay. Gina's, when spring comes,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: all trees and grasses.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: Are in full bloom.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Wealth will grow large. Marriage, employment, and starting a trip
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: are all right.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, first of all, can I ask you one thing, really, truthfully? Sure.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Per person, were these just randos?
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, you're asking me if you think a producer wrote
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: this or do you think it was random?
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: I wonder if it was set up. Was this set
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: up in any way? Or even Gina wrote them? Or
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: is this real? Because you know why when you read
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: all of them, you'll know why. Because they sound like.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: I'm like, this is just... I open a lot of
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: fortune cookies because we love Chinese food. I don't eat
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: the fortune cookie because I don't like the taste of it. However,
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: I open my fortune... And I never get a fortune
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: like this. It's never this close to me. My best
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: one might be like, your luckiest numbers are six and nine.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I'm like, okay.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, six and nine.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know where these fortunes came from.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Because.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: too many of them were like not good. And then
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: a couple of them were so good. And I'm like, okay,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: this has got to not, this could not be.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: That's my experience too. So here's what's funny. I think
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: because what they were doing, I, when I did a
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: housewives and the, and my raindrops would know this season four,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: we're in Africa and long story short, they had like
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: this profit psychic type of individual read each girl.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: And, um, We did not produce that.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: And he said things that were, that was kind of
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: pertinent to their storyline.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: And we thought that was so funny.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: And on Ultimate Girls Trip season four, when the girls
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: went to the Philippines, another prophet, psychic type of person
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: told Portia, I see you're a lesbian and I see
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: you with a woman.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: And four years later, she's with a woman.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: So that's why my mind goes to, I would hope that, gosh,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: that did not happen.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to believe that it did.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Plus, plus, plus, plus, I know the producer, the showrunner,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: and he wouldn't do that because he was actually with
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: me when we were filming these moments. And he's all
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: about the authenticity. So no, I thought it was convenient.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: But that's the question.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, so now go back. I loved Gina's. I do
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: believe it. I think that... I do think marriage will be...
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: I think they might get married in the next.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Year or two. I do.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: And I think wealth is coming towards her because she
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: is good at all those commercials and she's got some
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: charisma on camera.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: She's good. I really do love Gina. And I want
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: you guys to stop giving her a hard time. I
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: love Gina.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: There's a freshness about her. I'm not sure what it is.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: But there's something fresh and just.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: I don't feel like she picks a bunch of sides.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: I think she's really good at not being, not Switzerland
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: like Heather Dubrow is, but, like, she's good at picking,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: not picking sides, but, like.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Heather Dubrow's not even Switzerland. She's Antarctica.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Like, she's... Well, you know what I get from it
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: now after seeing her sit there and say, well, I
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: was going to tell Shannon anyway. It's like, yeah, I
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: trust her as much as I trust that tree branch
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: I can see out there. But... With that said, I
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: do care about her.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I do like her. Because you're a good person. You're
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: a good person.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Speaking of Heather, hers was everything does not go smoothly.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Where does that even go?
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: It was so random. I was like, is that it?
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Did we miss more of this?
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: There's so many. Like doesn't go smoothly in life. Doesn't
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: go smoothly with your not being an authentic friend and
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: a trustworthy friend. Does it go not be smooth in
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: your finances? Like where does that even go? I don't
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: even know.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: That was, I wish she would have had a little
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: bit more on hers. Darn it. Okay.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: It was strange. Okay.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: James was marriage and employment are both bad.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't even like that one because I don't
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: wish bad on anyone in this thing. I've been divorced. I, gosh,
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: and they do have a date set, right? She said
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: that on one of the, I just, I hope that's
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: not right. I'm glad they burned that one.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: What do you think? Oh, I'm like you. I don't
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: wish bad on anybody.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: I just don't want. I mean, she's great on the show.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: She brings a lot to the show. Like, I don't know.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: So employment, I would hope, is not bad. And if
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: they are getting married, let's not even speak that in
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: the universe. Like, burn that sucker.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Really fast.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Burn it.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Double burn it.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Double burn it.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Shannon's was, good luck will come to you from the heavens.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: The person you're waiting for will come.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: God help him.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Tamara's was, talk with tongue entangled by your getting drunk.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Gives no unpleasant impression. There may be a little trouble
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: in your family, but when you believe in God and
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: ask for happiness, you can get calmed down.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: The person you waited for will come late.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Do you see why I feel like these are all scripted?
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I know!
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: When you go down it and you're doing this, I'm like,
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: this was frickin' set up. I'm sorry. There are times
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: on national television where some things are done that aren't real.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: I feel like this is a non-real moment. Whether Gina
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: did it or the producers or someone in the restaurant,
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: there is just no way. Because that is exactly what
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Tamara needed to hear. And she even got a real tear.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: It wasn't a crocodile tear. She even started to tear up. Okay,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: so there you go. That's my true sense about it.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: As I'm reading, it's funny.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: That's why, to your point, to your point, as I'm
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: reading this, even I'm like, why are some longer than others?
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: But whatever. I agree with you.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: And why are they so curved and cued just for
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: that in some way? How did out of all.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, hold on.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Question for you. How did out of all six housewives
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: that went, how did the two that are proposed to
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: and engaged have marriage in their okay those odds carlos
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: hello the wheels are turning those odds are like this
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: you and i are there and yours says marriage and
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: we know you're not supposed to marriage what if mine
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: said marriage and i'm like dude i'm already married and
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: you throw it away you're like okay marriage isn't coming
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: around the corner well you're in a year late people
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: like there's just the odds of that are just way
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: too i'm sorry not buying.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: It how much time I can understand your skepticism. I
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: actually can.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Well, you didn't at first. You defended the production side first.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: No, I'm still defending it.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's not like you're coming out of
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: thin air with this thought.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I understand. Because even I'm like, Alexis' argument is very strong.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: We saw raindrops.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Our poll for this week, do you believe the fortune
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: was written by the producers, or do you think this
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: really happened the way it was?
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Producers or Gina?
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Do you think the fortune was written by the producers
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: slash Gina, or do you think this really happened?
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: Up next, Vicky.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Your mind.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: I have five more minutes, so I packed you on
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: the time just so we would stay on. Okay, so
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: what's your... Keep going. And I love the poll. Okay.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, so raindrops, Spotify comments, tweet us, all the things.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: YouTube comments, leave us.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Vicky, your mind is unsettled, wondering to leave or stay.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: By the way, I'm going to finish the rest. I
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: thought of her leaving or staying on Housewives immediately.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Immediately.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: That's why I'm like, these not seem.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Like it's just too good to be true. One of them,
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: if these fortunes were true, one of them would have said,
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Vicky or whoever, you're about to pop out another kid
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: or we see kids in your future. That's what would
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: have been on because it's like, okay, I am 60.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: I've already been through menopause.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: This isn't happening. Okay, no.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: So I'm just saying when you get a fortune cookie
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: for real at.
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: A Chinese restaurant or a Japanese establishment, you are going
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: to get something that's that out of sync with what's
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: really happening in your life.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: And not one of them did. All of the fortunes
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: aligned with what's going on in those women's lives. So
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: is that all of them or do we have it?
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: They should have drawn one for Carmella.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: That's right. They did. And that's so interesting.
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: What were you going to say now?
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: So finishing Vicky's, hers goes, I mean, hers continues as
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: all your deeds and work, all your deeds and work,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: your mind doesn't stay still and will lose right away.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Stop marriage of any kind.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: I totally forgot that part of it.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I love my Vicky and people can beat her
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: down all they want, but I love Vicky and she's,
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: she deserves to be married if that's what she chooses
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: and her mind doesn't stop. So that's very true. And
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: she does a workaholic. I mean, if there's any kind
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: of a holic on her, it's workaholic.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not touching that one. Okay. Okay.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Last but not least, Emily's. Your gym has no flaws,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: and it will glisten better when you polish. Your hope
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: will become true. It is good for you to make
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: a trip. Both marriage and employment good.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: See? Now we know her marriage isn't good.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: See?
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: That's production or Gina trying to say Emily... don't give
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: up on your marriage because the people that are divorced
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: in this unit of women know that divorce is not greener.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: The grass is not greener when you're divorced. Sorry. I
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: got to keep it real, Carlos. I can't, I can't
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: buy into all of it. Someone wrote those. I'm not
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: going to claim who somebody put those in the canisters
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: before they pulled them out. And, but by the way,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: it's good TV. That's all I'll end with.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: It's good.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: It was good. No, it was good. It was good.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: It was good. It was good.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: So listen, next week, the ladies are still in Tokyo.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: And Alexis, next week, Tamara Judge versus Vicky Goverson on
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: comments that Vicky allegedly made about Tamara's relationship with her daughter, Sydney,
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  Speaker 1: and why they're not speaking. Whoa.
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  Speaker 3: I will have a lot to say about that. And
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  Speaker 3: by the way, Carlos, I am so glad that we
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  Speaker 3: don't have to talk about me ever again on one
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  Speaker 3: of these episodes. Thank you. You're welcome, everybody, for the entertainment.
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  Speaker 3: I am going to go in therapy to learn how
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  Speaker 3: to move past the PTSD so I don't cry on
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  Speaker 3: TV like that again.
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  Speaker 2: It was a joy to watch you with the girls.
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  Speaker 2: I will say that.
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  Speaker 4: I will say that.
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  Speaker 2: It was good. All right.
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  Speaker 1: So rain gobs, let us know our poll again. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think the fortune was written by Gina or producers?
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  Speaker 1: Or do you think it was real? Let Alexis and
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Alexa, I love you. You and John say travels. Bye, babe.
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  Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me, Carlos King,
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  Speaker 1: produced by Jamie Schaefer in partnership.
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  Speaker 2: With the Black Effect Podcast Network.
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