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Saints vs Vikings Recap: New Orleans Falls 23-13, Is Kellen Moore on the Hot Seat? | AFR · AFR Saints

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  Speaker 3: Yeah obviously that's something that uh you know we pride
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  Speaker 3: ourself on being able to play in this dome and
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  Speaker 3: how special it is and you know to not be
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  Speaker 3: able to get it done is is really frustrating disappointing
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  Speaker 3: and uh you know i think everyone feels the same
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  Speaker 3: way the disappointment in it um We have to look
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  Speaker 3: at this, get better, and eyes forward.
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  Speaker 1: They take a lot of pride playing in the Dome.
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  Speaker 1: Three and eight under Kellen Moore in the Superdome. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Saints lose the Vikings 23-13. Every optimistic projection for this
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  Speaker 1: team is very quickly By the way, as is confidence
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  Speaker 1: in Kellen Moore and his ability to get this right.
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  Speaker 1: For me, you know, I sat here a week ago
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  Speaker 1: after that embarrassment on Monday Night Football. That no show,
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  Speaker 1: no effort garbage against your rival football. on what was
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  Speaker 1: a massive day, a monumental day for the organization, for
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  Speaker 1: the city, the fan base, all of it. And you
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  Speaker 1: get run out of your building by Atlanta. A total no-show.
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  Speaker 1: And if that wasn't evidence enough of what this team is,
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  Speaker 1: I said, just wait. Wait six days. Because now you've
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  Speaker 1: got to turn around and play the Vikings. And if
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  Speaker 1: you have an ounce of professional pride, you will show
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  Speaker 1: up and give great effort at home against Minnesota to
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  Speaker 1: bounce back after that embarrassment. And what happens? They lay
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  Speaker 1: down again. This is an awful football team. They're awful,
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  Speaker 1: and they're not getting better. And by the way, that
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  Speaker 1: game on Sunday, the 23-13 final, could have, maybe should have,
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  Speaker 1: been so much worse. Minnesota fumbled twice in the red zone. Which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, led to your only two scores. After
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  Speaker 1: the first fumble that Chase Young recovered is when you
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  Speaker 1: put together your first touchdown drive with Kendra Miller scored.
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  Speaker 1: And then the other score was a Jonas Sanker scoop
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  Speaker 1: and score. That's it. Another slow start. Again, how inexcusable
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  Speaker 1: after that performance on Monday Night Football to come out
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday and not be ready to play. You allow
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  Speaker 1: Minnesota to get the opening kickoff drive right down the field.
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  Speaker 1: They set her for a field goal. You very quickly
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  Speaker 1: go three and out. First play of the game was
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  Speaker 1: a loss of five on a reception by Alvin Kamara.
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  Speaker 1: You give them the ball. They go on an 11-play drive.
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  Speaker 1: You got bailed out. Thankfully, you got the fumble at
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  Speaker 1: the end of that. But you came out not ready
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  Speaker 1: to play. Trailing again at the end of the first quarter.
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  Speaker 1: Just the same song and dance with this football team
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  Speaker 1: under Kellen Moore. This offense is awful. And listen, my
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  Speaker 1: hand is in the air. I drank the Kool-Aid like
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  Speaker 1: everybody else. Not the Kool-Aid McKinstry. He still stinks. I
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  Speaker 1: was right there with everybody else who believed all the
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  Speaker 1: reports out of camp. I didn't put my eyes on him,
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  Speaker 1: and we didn't get to see him in preseason. The
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  Speaker 1: starters didn't play, but I believed every report. Man, ones-on-ones
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  Speaker 1: in these joint practices, Shucks spinning dimes, Jordan Tyson's awesome,
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  Speaker 1: they're running the ball, HN, they're torching these defenses. Tyler Shuck,
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  Speaker 1: 16 of 25 for 96 yards and two interceptions.
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  Speaker 3: Excuse me?
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  Speaker 1: 16 of 25 for 96 yards? This isn't Tom Osborne's
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  Speaker 1: Nebraska team in the 70s running the triple option. This
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  Speaker 1: ain't Ken Niumatalolo at Navy running the triple option. This
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  Speaker 1: is a National Football League game. You got a quarterback
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  Speaker 1: throwing for 96 yards? Not in a quarter in the game.
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  Speaker 1: The two interceptions were horrendous. The hell was he throwing
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  Speaker 1: the ball in the first one? Can't run the football.
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  Speaker 1: 17 rushes, 55 yards. After all of the investment that
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  Speaker 1: you have made, two first-round picks at tackle, a first-round
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  Speaker 1: pick at guard, second-round pick at guard, you go invest
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  Speaker 1: all the money that you did, and David Edwards at
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  Speaker 1: left guard, Travis Aitken, and I don't know what you're
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  Speaker 1: going to say. Matt Aitken ain't there. He's hurt. Matt,
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  Speaker 1: Kelvin Banks ain't there. He's hurt. You're right. They are out.
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  Speaker 1: They are hurt. Well, they were there week one. And
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  Speaker 1: in week one against Detroit, you ran the ball 25
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  Speaker 1: times for 91 yards. Aitken had 46 yards rushing in
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  Speaker 1: that game week one. You hadn't been able to run
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  Speaker 1: the ball when they were there. Your defensive flaws keep
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  Speaker 1: getting exposed. Aaron Jones ran for 113 yards. How about
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Jones dump trucking Martin Emerson to get in the
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  Speaker 1: end zone for the final touchdown? I mean, that's like
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  Speaker 1: watching a varsity team play a JV team. Kyler Murray,
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  Speaker 1: 24 of 30. The secondary stinks. I mean, that's, y'all
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  Speaker 1: know My complaint the entire offseason, the one thing that
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  Speaker 1: I complained about, and I will stand by, is they
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  Speaker 1: needed to go address cornerback, and they didn't. And you
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  Speaker 1: were getting abused every week because your secondary is atrocious.
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  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray went 24 of 30. Kyler Murray, not Patrick Mahomes,
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  Speaker 1: not John Elway, not Drew Brees. Kyler Murray went 24
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  Speaker 1: of 30. 11 Vikings caught a pass.
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  Speaker 3: Ha, ha, ha, ha.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know on an NFL roster on a game day,
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  Speaker 1: you actually had 11 players eligible to catch a pass.
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  Speaker 1: They figured it out. I'm being facetious. Spare me. Daniel Carlson, Mr. PAT. Y'all,
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  Speaker 1: I could sit here and break down all the goings
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  Speaker 1: on in this game. I mean, after you go in
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  Speaker 1: at halftime, you're leading 7-6, you're getting the ball to
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  Speaker 1: start the second half, and boom, you fumble the second
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  Speaker 1: half kickoff. Justin Jefferson scores in triple coverage, you're down 13-7.
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  Speaker 1: Shuck throws the awful interception. It's ballgame. I mean, after that,
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  Speaker 1: you actually got the Jonas Senker scoop and score to
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  Speaker 1: tie it at 13. But after that, lifeless throughout the
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  Speaker 1: fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 3: Just.
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  Speaker 1: I don't need to recite... Every down and distance in
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  Speaker 1: this football game, you watch it. Or if you're smart,
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  Speaker 1: you didn't. You actually decided to do something productive with
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  Speaker 1: your life. I'm not at a point through five games
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  Speaker 1: where I'm going to throw dirt on the team of
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  Speaker 1: the season. Now, they're not going to the playoffs, and
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  Speaker 1: they're not going to achieve anything close to what I
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  Speaker 1: had hoped and many thought they could, especially after the
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  Speaker 1: win over Baltimore, where we thought, okay, like you were–
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  Speaker 1: An overtime loss, two-point conversion away from winning at Detroit.
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  Speaker 1: You beat the Ravens. We're thinking, okay. And the Saints
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  Speaker 1: at that point became the betting favorite to win the division.
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  Speaker 1: All they've done since is blow a double-digit lead at
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  Speaker 1: home against the Raiders in the second half. No show
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  Speaker 1: on Monday Night Football against the Falcons. And after that embarrassment,
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  Speaker 1: didn't get off the mat and got run out of
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  Speaker 1: their building by the Vikings. So maybe you should throw
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  Speaker 1: dirt on them. But what I've learned doing this long
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  Speaker 1: enough is is, hey, if you become so reactionary to
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  Speaker 1: one thing that eventually is going to bite you in
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  Speaker 1: your T-hiney, the Saints were 1-8 last year. They were
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  Speaker 1: 1-8 last year. And in their final eight games, they
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  Speaker 1: went 5-3 over those final eight, which made us all believe, okay, look,
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  Speaker 1: they just needed to get Chuck in there, get his
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  Speaker 1: feet wet. sort of expand this Kellen Moore offense. Kellen
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  Speaker 1: getting more comfortable as a head coach. Now they go
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  Speaker 1: into the offseason and they add Aitken and David Edwards
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  Speaker 1: and Jordan Tyson and all that sort of stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: the truth is, Banks and Aitken and Tyson are all
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  Speaker 1: going to return. And you will be better with them.
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  Speaker 1: Kelvin Banks is the first rounder. Tyson is the first rounder.
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  Speaker 1: Aitken is your big $ 54 million free agent. You are objectively...
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  Speaker 1: going to be better with those players than you are
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  Speaker 1: without them. And they're going to come back and that'll
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  Speaker 1: give you a much better sense of how things look
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  Speaker 1: and project for the future but my fear at this
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  Speaker 1: point that continues growing is that you got the wrong
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  Speaker 1: coach that you got the wrong coach and And you
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  Speaker 1: made very poor personnel decisions. And you have a GM
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't know how to fix it and is in
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  Speaker 1: no way at all in risk of being fired. And
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  Speaker 1: so we are all collectively going to be stuck watching
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  Speaker 1: this thing just trudge through the mud and mired in mediocrity.
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  Speaker 3: Or worse.
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  Speaker 1: Until... Mickey Loomis is gone, and you bring in someone
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  Speaker 1: with a core competency and ideas of how to fix
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  Speaker 1: this thing because clearly he does not have any idea how.
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  Speaker 1: And I do think we're approaching the point that you
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  Speaker 1: start to look at Kellen Moore and ask the questions.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying fire him today. I'm saying you're getting
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  Speaker 1: to the point now where you have to start asking
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  Speaker 1: the questions legitimately Is he in over his head? Does
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  Speaker 1: he actually know how to fix this? Because when the
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  Speaker 1: same issues keep popping up, this is two seasons now
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  Speaker 1: where you cannot run the ball, despite the fact that
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  Speaker 1: you've invested in the ability to run the ball. When
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  Speaker 1: you continue to start slow, despite the fact that every
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  Speaker 1: week he's asked a question about slow starts and has
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  Speaker 1: not figured out how to fix it. When you keep
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  Speaker 1: seeing the same problems recur, over and over and over again,
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  Speaker 1: what it speaks to is he doesn't have the answer.
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  Speaker 1: We all know what the problems are. He doesn't know
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  Speaker 1: how to fix the problems. And if he can't, you
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  Speaker 1: need to bring someone else in who can. He's a
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  Speaker 1: nice guy. He doesn't say anything in press conferences. He
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  Speaker 1: never gets high or low, all that stuff. But sometimes
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  Speaker 1: a parent needs to raise their voice at their child
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  Speaker 1: and he's incapable of doing it. So, It's five games.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see a real optimistic point of view moving forward.
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  Speaker 1: You have to go on the road to the Giants,
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  Speaker 1: and then you go to Paris to play the Steelers.
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  Speaker 1: You do get the Browns at home, but the Browns
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  Speaker 1: may be saying, hell, we get to play the Saints.
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  Speaker 1: You do get the Cardinals at home. Where else on
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  Speaker 1: the schedule are you going to be favored to win
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  Speaker 1: a game? Unless if you can figure out how to
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  Speaker 1: run the football, I'll stop the run and how to
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  Speaker 1: get off the field on defense. Like you don't have
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  Speaker 1: a chance to win in this league. And it's unfortunate
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  Speaker 1: because this team came with great investment and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of hope for a second year under Tyler Shuck and
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  Speaker 1: maybe taking a big step. And it just has not
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  Speaker 1: happened as they have face planted here early in October.
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  Speaker 1: Saints are one and four. And I, just don't have
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  Speaker 1: an awful lot of confidence in their ability to figure
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  Speaker 1: out how to get out of this. As I look
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  Speaker 1: forward to the remainder of the season, what I kind
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  Speaker 1: of want to see is when you get healthy, when
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  Speaker 1: you get everyone back on offense, what does it look like?
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  Speaker 1: Is there a reason to think you could run this back?
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  Speaker 1: Because it can be really good. If not, then you're
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  Speaker 1: really going to seriously look at making changes this offseason.
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  Speaker 1: And defensively, please go get a cornerback. Defensively, what does
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  Speaker 1: it look like now shipping Demario Davis out of town?
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  Speaker 1: A guy that was always available and your most productive
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  Speaker 1: defensive player. He's with the Jets, and the guy that
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  Speaker 1: you brought in, the young guy you brought in to
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  Speaker 1: replace him, has now missed the last two games. Incompetency
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  Speaker 1: just runs rampant in this front office. It's unfortunate, man. So,
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  Speaker 1: Saints lose again. It's not just losing, too. It's how
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  Speaker 1: you're losing defensively. just not seeing the real effort. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't mean for those just to be empty words
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  Speaker 1: and insults. I just don't know how, as a professional
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  Speaker 1: sports team, you could be so embarrassed on Monday Night
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  Speaker 1: Football and come back at home in front of those
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  Speaker 1: fans six days later and just get punked again by
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  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray.
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  Speaker 3: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: The Kellen Moore experience. Don't worry, guys. I'm sure Mickey
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  Speaker 1: Loomis will figure it out.