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Cult Mom Lori Vallow: "I WANTED TO MURDER HIM,' now eyed in 4TH MURDER. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Cult mom Laurie Valoe. It should send chills down your
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Speaker 1: spine since the bodies offer two children, seven year old
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Speaker 1: JJ and teen Tyling, her daughter, were found burned, dismembered,
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Speaker 1: buried in the backyard essentially of her brand new husband
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Speaker 1: number five. But now we learn bombshell happening now is
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Speaker 1: cult mom Laurie Valoe suspected and yet another death, another death.
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Speaker 1: We are not letting it go, not letting it go.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this count. You've got the two children, her
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Speaker 1: brother Alex Cox dead. You've got the husband, Charles Valo,
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Speaker 1: shot dead by Laurie Vallo's brother while she's standing there supervising.
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Speaker 1: But now, oh wait, I forgot Tammy Dayville. That's five, Jackie.
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Speaker 1: If I left anybody out, well apparently we have again.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nations,
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Speaker 1: joining me an all star panel. Nate Eaton, the guy
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Speaker 1: who cracked much of this case, Wide Open reporter with
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Speaker 1: the East Idaho News dot Com. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: and now the star of a new series on TV,
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Speaker 1: Poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network, renowned psychiatrist, and
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Speaker 1: boy do we need a shrink? Doctor Angela Arnold joining
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Speaker 1: me from the Atlanta jurisdiction, she said. Angela Arnold, MD
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Speaker 1: dot com attorney for Lorie Valo moms one of her
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Speaker 1: husband husband, Joseph Ryan. He represented Joseph Ryan in the
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Speaker 1: divorce from Laurie Valo and you can find him at
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Speaker 1: Keith Tanny Gutsch li Law dot com. I'll let him
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Speaker 1: explain that. And special guests joining us Joseph Ryan's sister
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Speaker 1: Annie Cushing. First of all, to Nate Eaton, reporter East
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Speaker 1: Idaho News dot com, Nate, I very rarely, very rare
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Speaker 1: if ever wait rephrase? Never have I gotten to say
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Speaker 1: I told you so? Never, not once. You've always been
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Speaker 1: right on everything that you've reported regarding cult mom Laurie Valo.
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Speaker 1: But finally I get to say I told you. What's
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Speaker 1: the news, Nate Eaton, Well, I'm recording surface recently, and
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Speaker 1: this recording is Lorie Vallow in a group meeting with
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Speaker 1: some of her friends where she flat out says she
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Speaker 1: wanted to murder her third husband, if Ryan, that she
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Speaker 1: had a murderous heart, and that had she not turned
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Speaker 1: to her church turned to her religion. She would have
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Speaker 1: killed him because she said that he was molesting her
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Speaker 1: children and she was sought full of anger and rage
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Speaker 1: toward him that she wanted to kill him. And this
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Speaker 1: recording came to life a minute. Wait a minute, wait
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Speaker 1: a minute before we start maligning the dead. So her husband,
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Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan, turns up dead in his own home, I believe,
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Speaker 1: in his own bed, and nobody knows anything until the
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Speaker 1: neighbors smell a foul odor coming from the home. Okay,
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Speaker 1: he was, of course declared dead and immediately cremated. Now,
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Speaker 1: the only person that we know of that has said
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Speaker 1: anything about the smallestation is caught Mom Laurie Valo. So
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Speaker 1: if you want to take her word for it, and
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Speaker 1: then this husband turns up dead, well, you know what,
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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to Kim Powell as Family TV
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Speaker 1: three News. Listen. Someone wise was speaking to me and said,
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Speaker 1: you need to go to the temple. SI went and
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Speaker 1: met my bishop, and I was like, I'm either going
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Speaker 1: to turn my life to the temple or a good
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Speaker 1: commit murder. Joseph died in April twenty eighteen, several months
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Speaker 1: before this recording took place at the time, it was
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Speaker 1: ruled an apparent heart attack, but now Phoenix police say
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Speaker 1: they're going to review the case. Joseph's sister released a
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Speaker 1: statement to Arizona's family, staying, in part, it may have
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Speaker 1: been reasonable to perform a cursory autopsy and rule the
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Speaker 1: cause of death as natural. At the time, it went
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Speaker 1: on to say, when someone shows you who they are,
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Speaker 1: believe them. So bombshell. Right now, Calt Mom Laurie Valo
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Speaker 1: is now being investigated regarding the death. I think it's
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Speaker 1: husband number three, Joseph Ryan. Now I just want to
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Speaker 1: clarify something, Nate Eton, reporter east Idahoo News dot com.
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Speaker 1: When she is telling this story that someone told her
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Speaker 1: you need to go to temple and she told the
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Speaker 1: bishop there at the Latter day Saints the Mormons that
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Speaker 1: you know, she needed to turn her life around and
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Speaker 1: she was going to murder her husband. But as she's
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Speaker 1: telling the story, Nate, she's speaking about what happened back when,
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Speaker 1: for all I know, she had a quote murderous heart
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Speaker 1: at the same time Ryan was killed. Well, yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: quite possible. Now they divorced in two thousand and five,
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Speaker 1: so they have been divorced. It would be fifteen years,
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Speaker 1: so it's been quite some time. But divorce, they were together.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, Nate, let me clarify, I did not ask
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Speaker 1: you when their divorce was. I'm asking you about when
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Speaker 1: she had a murderous heart. She was divorced from Ryan,
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Speaker 1: when Tammy Damil died, right, and she was divorced from
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Speaker 1: Ryan Winn, Tyley and JJ were murdered. She was divorced
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Speaker 1: from Ryan when her brother drops dead. I mean, the
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Speaker 1: divorce is irrelevant to who killed Joseph Ryan. They were
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Speaker 1: still fighting about custody, they were still fighting about Tyley
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Speaker 1: visiting him. You know, hate It is hard to die,
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Speaker 1: Nate Eton, Yeah, very true. And one of the problems
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Speaker 1: here is that because he died and he was cremated
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Speaker 1: so quickly, I mean within a matter of gays, So
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Speaker 1: it's not like you can do the body. You're doing
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Speaker 1: any sort of tests or anyway. Nate, who made that
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Speaker 1: decision that he'd be cremated. That might be a better
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Speaker 1: question for Annie or for his attorney. Good, good question.
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Speaker 1: Let me go out to you teeth Tanna Gucci. This
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Speaker 1: is the lawyer for Joseph Ryan and the divorce for
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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo Keith All along with all of these bodies
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Speaker 1: are popping up around cult mom Laurie Valoe. I couldn't
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Speaker 1: help but notice Joseph Ryan, one of her husband's, possibly
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Speaker 1: the one she hated the most, was rushed into cremation. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm aware of that. What are your thoughts to speculate? Well,
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Speaker 1: I can speculate because of the confidence decomposition of its
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Speaker 1: body that that may have led to their decision. But
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Speaker 1: I'm not a coroner or anything like that. I don't
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Speaker 1: know who. The only person I know who had the
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Speaker 1: authority to, you know, perceived that way would have been
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Speaker 1: his sister's I believe she's on this line. Yes she is.
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Speaker 1: He didn't have any other because he didn't have any
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Speaker 1: other relatives any cushing. Who gave the okay for Joseph
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Speaker 1: Ryan to be cremated or was it a decision based
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Speaker 1: on the fact his body had already started to decompose.
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Speaker 1: I my understanding is that the state made the call
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Speaker 1: because they couldn't get ahold of anyone. Because Lori and
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Speaker 1: I maintained contact over the years, but she never told
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Speaker 1: me that Joe had died. I had found out through
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Speaker 1: a relative being forwarded one of these letters where they
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Speaker 1: were seeking family members, and so it's my understanding that
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Speaker 1: by the time I found out he had already been cremated.
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Speaker 1: So I think it was because he was an unclaimed body.
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Speaker 1: That's my understanding. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I want
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Speaker 1: to circle back to the investigation going on right now
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Speaker 1: to the death of Lorie Vale. I think third husband,
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Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan, take a listen to this KSLTV. Joseph Ryan
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Speaker 1: died of an apparent heart attack without anyone knowing. Annie Cushing,
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Speaker 1: his sister, says she doesn't want the same fate for
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Speaker 1: his daughter, seventeen year old Tyleie Ryan. They weren't just
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Speaker 1: madly in love. I had never seen Joe, and he
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Speaker 1: recalls her brother, Joe Ryan's marriage to Laurie Valo as
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Speaker 1: a joyful start for the couple. My brother had never
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Speaker 1: been married and he had never had a child, so
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Speaker 1: he was over the man. However, Randy says the relationship soured.
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Speaker 1: The couple divorced when Taylie was eighteen months old. You know,
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Speaker 1: she kind of felt like, you know, but a sister,
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Speaker 1: and he says she felt close to Laurie until Joe's
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Speaker 1: death in twenty eighteen when she flew to Arizona to
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Speaker 1: be with Tylee. There was also a lot of tension
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Speaker 1: between Tyley and Laurie, and he says Lorie discouraged Tyleie
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Speaker 1: from speaking about her dad. She would actually say, the
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Speaker 1: world is a better at place with hell Joe Ryan.
9:50
Speaker 1: Well talk about a premonition, the world's a better place
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Speaker 1: without Joe Ryan, and then suddenly the world was without
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Speaker 1: Joe Ryan. The speaker was cult mom Lorie Vala, already
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Speaker 1: charged in connection with the deaths of her children, Jj
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Speaker 1: just seven years old, and tilely teen girl Tyley, now
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Speaker 1: suspected in the death of Tammy day Bell, her new
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Speaker 1: husband's ex wife. She died just days before the two
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Speaker 1: of them jet off to Hawaii for a beach side wedding,
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Speaker 1: but now dragged into the mix fifty nine year old
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Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan, one of her husbands that died an unusual death,
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Speaker 1: being found already in decomposure. Take a listen to Justin
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Speaker 1: lum Fox ten. It's been more than two years since
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Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan died, but now an audio recording of Laurie
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Speaker 1: Valo provided to Ryan's sister has surfaced, as well as
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Speaker 1: other information, so Phoenix PD is now reviewing the case. Now.
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Speaker 1: The history between Valo and Ryan goes back more than
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Speaker 1: a decade with a custody battle over their daughter Tyley.
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Speaker 1: For the first time, we hear from Ryan's former lawyer,
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Speaker 1: alleged audio of Laurie Valo from October twenty eighteen, confirmed
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Speaker 1: to be recorded by someone in her religious circle, shares
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Speaker 1: a disturbing statement about her third ex husband, Joseph Ryan.
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Speaker 1: I was going to murder him. I was going to
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Speaker 1: kill him. On April twenty eighteen, months before this recording,
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Speaker 1: Ryan died in his Phoenix apartment. Sergeant Mercedes Fortune says,
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Speaker 1: a death investigation is now getting a second look, just
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Speaker 1: looking at it again, reviewing it and making sure that
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Speaker 1: there's things that were that maybe could have been overlooked
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Speaker 1: but are being looked into now. Straight out to the
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Speaker 1: lawyer that represented Joseph Ryan, now dead in his divorce
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Speaker 1: from Cultmom Laurie Valo, Keith Tenegucci joining us from Texas.
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Speaker 1: Keith again, thank you for being with us. Tell me
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Speaker 1: what happened in that divorce. What did you learn about
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Speaker 1: cultmm Laurie Valo. The initial allegation from Laurie Valo said
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Speaker 1: he was sexually abusing highly and basically the law unfortunately
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Speaker 1: airs on the side of caution in these kind of cases,
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Speaker 1: and so Joe became the subject of an investigation, both criminal,
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Speaker 1: one criminal, and then it became an issue in their divorce.
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Speaker 1: The allegation was just well, it was an outcry, and
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Speaker 1: the outcry that she reports to the police is just horrendous.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a sexual abuse. Now, when you're saying,
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Speaker 1: she Keith, are you affirmed to cult Mom Laurie Valo, Oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: she made the allegations and she said the victim was Tily. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to more words
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Speaker 1: from Laurie Valo cult Mom talking about how she does
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Speaker 1: not get much sleep because angels wake her up all
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Speaker 1: a night giving her instructions on what to do. I too,
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Speaker 1: like Melanie, have had the love of Jesus Christ who
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Speaker 1: washed over me. There is nothing like that on this earth.
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Speaker 1: It is life changing and eternity altering. I love my
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Speaker 1: Savior with my whole heart. I have had some wonderful experiences.
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Speaker 1: I have been ministered to by the angel Marana. I
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Speaker 1: have seen him. I have had lots of angelic ministry
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Speaker 1: with people who wake me up four o'clock in the
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Speaker 1: morning and tell me things to do. I no longer
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Speaker 1: need to sleep very much because I'm walking out constantly
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Speaker 1: by angels and giving me instructions on things that I
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Speaker 1: can do to help further the father's work. Okay, I
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Speaker 1: gotta figure out what to make of that, because I'm
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Speaker 1: all for angels. But I also recall Nate Eton. Do
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Speaker 1: you recall that cold mom Laurie Valo warned away another husband,
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Speaker 1: claiming that she had an avenging angel that would kill
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Speaker 1: him and lo and behold. When that husband showed up
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Speaker 1: for visitation, he got shot dead. Remember that quote avenging angel. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: she called her brother, Alex Cox, who's now dead, her
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Speaker 1: avenging angel. Alex would do anything for Laurie. He loved Laurie.
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Speaker 1: He even moved to Idaho with her, and she warned
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Speaker 1: her fourth husband, Charles Valow, that she would kill him,
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Speaker 1: and he actually called the police and said, she's gone crazy.
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Speaker 1: You guys need to do something, and lo and behold
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Speaker 1: he did still up and was shot and killed by
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Speaker 1: Alex too. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensic Jackson State University,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, I want to talk to you about the
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Speaker 1: decision to cremate Joseph Ryan called mom Laurie Vallos, I
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Speaker 1: think third husband. I find that very, very disturbing because
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Speaker 1: I believe it was called by the stage, just like
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Speaker 1: Annie Cushing told us. But we never really got the
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Speaker 1: cause of death. They assumed it was because of his
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Speaker 1: heart hold on Joe Scott. Annie Cushing, this is Joe's sister, Annie.
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Speaker 1: So Laurie Valo knew that Joseph Ryan had been found dead,
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Speaker 1: but did not tell you. No, she never told me.
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Speaker 1: In fact that I found out through another relative who
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Speaker 1: had been forwarded one of these letters that had been
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Speaker 1: sent out to try to find family or someone to
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Speaker 1: claim Joe's body. And I reached out to Laurie and
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Speaker 1: then she told me that she knew he had died.
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Speaker 1: So she did know, but had not contacted any of
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Speaker 1: his family. That's correct. Yeah, So I found out in
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Speaker 1: I think it was mid May, and I have I
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Speaker 1: knew that she was contacted by police on April thirteenth,
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Speaker 1: and she even sent me a copy of her notes
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Speaker 1: from that meeting. I was also I also learned that
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Speaker 1: at some point to you, Nate Eton that Tyley recanted
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Speaker 1: the claims that her father had ever molested her. Is
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Speaker 1: that true? There were some questions raised about it. We
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Speaker 1: do know that her older brother, Colby, he has said
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Speaker 1: on the record that he was molested by Joe Ryan,
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Speaker 1: and when asked about Tyleie, he did not comment about
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Speaker 1: Pyle's allegations. Okay, so I'm talking to you about Tyley.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to our cut fifteen. This take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Fox ten. The police report says Ryan's neighbor smelled
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Speaker 1: a strong odor and notice flies inside the apartment. A
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Speaker 1: maintenance worker couldn't get in through the front door because
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Speaker 1: of an engaged secondary lock, so we used a ladder
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Speaker 1: to access an open window. Police say the fifty nine
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Speaker 1: year old had been dead for a couple of days.
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Speaker 1: There were no signs of forced entry. Autopsy determined he
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Speaker 1: died of a heart attack. To this moment, there isn't
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Speaker 1: any additional information that will lead investigators fully that there
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Speaker 1: was a foul play. Police did contact Laurie Valo, listed
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Speaker 1: as next of kin, more than a week after the discovery.
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Speaker 1: The report says she told officers she had not heard
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Speaker 1: from her ex husband in two years, but they shared
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Speaker 1: a child. In comment Tylie Ryan, the custody battle over
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Speaker 1: their daughter stems back to Austin, Texas. Keith Tanegucci represented
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Speaker 1: Ryan for a couple of years. He says Valo accused
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Speaker 1: his client of sexually abusing Tyley when she was very young.
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Speaker 1: According to court documents from two thousand and seven, a
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Speaker 1: therapist said she was concerned Tyleie was being pushed by
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Speaker 1: her mother to make an outcry until one day Tylie
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Speaker 1: recanted crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we were talking
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Speaker 1: about a brand new discovery that now Mom Laurie Valo
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Speaker 1: is being investigated in the death of a previous husband,
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Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan Ryan, the father of little Tilely, that the
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Speaker 1: police believe cult mom Laurie Valo and her brand new
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Speaker 1: husband number five cult leader Chad day Bell murdered and
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Speaker 1: then buried in day Bell's property. I want to go
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Speaker 1: straight to you, Keith Tanigucci, a very well known lawyer
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Speaker 1: in Austin, Texas. Keith, I'm learning that Tyley recanted the
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Speaker 1: claims that Joseph Ryan had ever molested her, and that
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Speaker 1: a therapist who saw Tyley alone without the mother or
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Speaker 1: anyone else there, said she was worried that Tyley was
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Speaker 1: being forced to make a an outcry, which in the
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Speaker 1: law and outcries when a molestation or rape victim tells
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Speaker 1: someone they've been molested. What do you know, Keith Tanegucci, Well,
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Speaker 1: Tyley actually recanted to the therapist right she was in
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Speaker 1: therapy with Vivian I can't recall her last name, but
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Speaker 1: Vivian Lewis, and she recanted there and that's when the
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Speaker 1: case started unraveling. There was other evidence that Lorie Vallow
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Speaker 1: was alleging, such as there should be DNA on his bed,
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Speaker 1: both Tyley and Joseph, and so they went and removed
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Speaker 1: his mattress and they cut the top off, and they
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Speaker 1: went and did a DNA analysis on the thing, and
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Speaker 1: months later it came back that it was negative. They
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Speaker 1: didn't find anything that they were looking for, and that
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Speaker 1: added fuel to the not the innocence, his innocence, and
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Speaker 1: they eventually didn't have any evidence other than this alleged
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Speaker 1: i'll cry that has been recanted. And because teeth Kenneguecheet,
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Speaker 1: this is the lawyer for Joseph Ryan's husband of cult mom,
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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo, one of them, and he's found dead in
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Speaker 1: his home. Body's so decomposed they can't really get a
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Speaker 1: cod They just assumed it must have been a heart attack.
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Speaker 1: But when Laurie Valo learns learns of Ryan's death, she
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Speaker 1: tells nobody to doctor Angela Arnold psychiatrists. I find that very,
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Speaker 1: very odd that the father of your child dies and
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Speaker 1: you don't call the family or anybody. It's almost like
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Speaker 1: she didn't want them to know. It's exactly like she
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Speaker 1: didn't want them to know, and she wanted all of
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Speaker 1: the controls surrounding everything too. She didn't want any input
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Speaker 1: from anyone. I can't even imagine not calling anybody and
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Speaker 1: telling them that he had died. What was she going
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Speaker 1: to do with that information? She wasn't his wife anymore.
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Speaker 1: To you, Annie Cushing. Cushing is the sister of Joseph Ryan.
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Speaker 1: You know your brother. You know him, his good, his bad,
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Speaker 1: his wonderful things about him, warts and all. Do you
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Speaker 1: believe there was any chance he molested Tyley? I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, that's that's always a tough question because I
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Speaker 1: wasn't there. But based on what I've read from you know,
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Speaker 1: all of these court documents and what I witnessed from
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Speaker 1: Lorie when I was out in Phoenix in twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 1: The way she spoke about this, I mean, she had
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Speaker 1: no filter. She talked about it in front of Tyle
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Speaker 1: and there was like she was like manic about it,
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Speaker 1: and you know, she just didn't treat it with any
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Speaker 1: of the you know, like the appropriate like parental protocols
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Speaker 1: that you would would expect if you really thought your
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Speaker 1: child was molested. So all of the things combined indicate
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Speaker 1: to me that this was more the result of Laurie's
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Speaker 1: machinations in order to win custody and to completely edge
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Speaker 1: Joe out of Tailie's life. And you know what, and
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Speaker 1: any Cushing is with me, this is Joe Joseph Ryan's sister.
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Speaker 1: We see the same thing happening over and over because
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Speaker 1: when Charles Vallo was coming to get JJ, he got
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Speaker 1: shot dead. And leading up to that, Nate Eton, reporter,
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Speaker 1: East Idaho News dot Com CULTMM, Laurie Valo had been
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Speaker 1: trying everything she could to keep JJ away from his father,
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Speaker 1: and so we see the same thing happening again that
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Speaker 1: happened with Ryan exactly, and not only JJ's father, but
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Speaker 1: his grandparents. You know, it was Kay and Leary Woodcock
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Speaker 1: that said, the visits, even on an iPad on a
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Speaker 1: phone drastically were cut back. She didn't want anybody to
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Speaker 1: associate with children. She wanted to complete control. And also
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Speaker 1: this whole thing about angels visiting her teeth. Taniguchi keith,
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Speaker 1: I make it no secret, and I'm a Christian, and
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Speaker 1: I saw him practicing, you know, because they've got a
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Speaker 1: long way to go. But as much as I've longed
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Speaker 1: for it, I've never had an angel visit. Laurie Vallo
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Speaker 1: says angels come to her all the time, including the
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Speaker 1: prophet Moroni. I'm just wondering that she referred to her
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Speaker 1: brother Alice Cox, as an avenging angel who gunned down
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Speaker 1: her husband for her. I wonder if an angel also
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Speaker 1: told her to make up the lie that Joseph Ryan
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Speaker 1: molested Taily and to kill him. Well, when I found
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Speaker 1: out that she was a devout Mormon and much of
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Speaker 1: her actions seemed to be coming from her religious belief,
23:52
Speaker 1: I was not familiar with the Mormon religion, and so
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Speaker 1: I went and bought three books. I ended up buying
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Speaker 1: three books about Mormonism, and each time I read one,
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Speaker 1: I would go to well, I need more information, so
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Speaker 1: I've read three books about it, and she was doing
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Speaker 1: a hybrid of what I was reading, but she was
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Speaker 1: definitely devouted. I mean, I will have to tell you
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Speaker 1: that I had a call from the second ranking bishop
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Speaker 1: of the Mormon Church on her behalf, trying to vouch
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Speaker 1: for her veracity, and I was flabbergasted for one that
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Speaker 1: she could get that done. But then I took it
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Speaker 1: with a grain of salt, and I did not take
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Speaker 1: the gentleman's word on her veracity because I felt she
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Speaker 1: was seriously Well, you know what, Keith, I don't know
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Speaker 1: a lot, but I know this much. I know that
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Speaker 1: murder is not a teaching of Christianity or Mormonism. I
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Speaker 1: know that much. And here she is describing how she
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Speaker 1: wants to murder people. And then got our two dead
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Speaker 1: children and her other dead husband. You got Tammy day,
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Speaker 1: Bill dad, her brother dad. I mean, the bodies are
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Speaker 1: piling up. The Mormon Church has completely disassociated themselves with
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Speaker 1: whatever cult she was in the middle of. I want
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Speaker 1: you to take a listen to our cut number six.
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear Laurie Valo speaking in her
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Speaker 1: own words about when it's okay to kill somebody. This
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Speaker 1: is a recording of a religious discussion that happened in
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. Joseph Ryan's sister obtained it and released it
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Speaker 1: to Phoenix police after hearing Laurie say this, I went
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Speaker 1: through a lot of years of this kind of hard stuff,
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Speaker 1: and I was going to murder him. I was going
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Speaker 1: to kill him like the scricer say, like me if
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Speaker 1: I killed it, just to stop the pain and to
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Speaker 1: stop him coming after me and to stop him coming
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Speaker 1: after my children. According to custody documents, in twenty eleven,
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Speaker 1: Laurie and her third husband, Joseph, went through a contentious
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Speaker 1: custody battle over Tiley. I thought I couldn't take it anymore,
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Speaker 1: and I would go through the scriptures and find all
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Speaker 1: the things. If he comes against you wants, if he
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Speaker 1: comes against you twice, if he comes against you three times,
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Speaker 1: then you can kill it. It's satin de scriptures. There
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Speaker 1: it is. There's my answer. I don't want to do
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Speaker 1: anything that's trouba. This isn't the first time Laurie threatened
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Speaker 1: his life. According to those same custody documents, she told
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Speaker 1: a court appointed psychologist that quote death would be an
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Speaker 1: option before giving Tiley to her father even for a visit.
26:29
Speaker 1: It's just as clear as the nose on your face.
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Speaker 1: Climb stories with Nancy Grace Guys another body account apparently
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Speaker 1: under consideration of being added to the tally of cult,
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Speaker 1: Mom Laurie Valoe almost too much to take him. We're
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Speaker 1: hearing in her own words that she would consider murder
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Speaker 1: before even one more visitation between your husband Joseph Ryan
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Speaker 1: and their daughter Tyley. Tyley later found dead. I want
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Speaker 1: you to hear our cut three Lorie Valo talking to
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Speaker 1: a religious group, and this was posted by you Nate
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Speaker 1: Eaton at East Idaho News dot com. Someone wise was
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Speaker 1: speaking to me and said, you need to go to
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Speaker 1: the temple. So I went and met my mishop and
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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm either going to turn my life
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Speaker 1: to the temple or I'm going to commit murder. So
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Speaker 1: do you want to giving me a temple recommend And
27:40
Speaker 1: I was perfectly honest because at that point I had
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Speaker 1: nothing to lose. Get to the bottom rung and I
27:44
Speaker 1: had nothing to lose. And he gave me my temple
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Speaker 1: recommend and I started going to the temple every week
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Speaker 1: by myself, that with my current husband, just by myself
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Speaker 1: to the temple to a masa tumble chy love. We
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Speaker 1: moved here from Texas to get away from ex husband
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Speaker 1: if that was doing all this, but he moved here,
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Speaker 1: like five miles away from Less just to continue to
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Speaker 1: torture me. That was his whole entire job. I see
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Speaker 1: him had been torturing me since I was a little kid,
28:12
Speaker 1: So I've had that in my whole life. So she
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Speaker 1: is now equating her husband, Joseph Ryan, with satan. I
28:21
Speaker 1: want to go straight out to Joseph Scott Morgan. I
28:24
Speaker 1: started with you a moment ago, Joe Scott, but I
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Speaker 1: got carried away with basically called mom Laurie Valo and
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Speaker 1: meeting she wanted to murder Joseph Ryan. That's pretty strong evidence,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott. The decision for Joseph Ryan to be cremated
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Speaker 1: so quickly, Why would they just assign heart problems for
28:43
Speaker 1: cod cause of death if he's decomposed that much? Is
28:46
Speaker 1: it because they think they found heart medication there? Yeah?
28:50
Speaker 1: And you know the thing that soup puzzlingly about this,
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Speaker 1: Nancy is the fact that he's rather young man at
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Speaker 1: the time of his death. It's not like this guy
28:57
Speaker 1: was well up into his eighties, seventies, eighties, and and
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Speaker 1: this is and I don't know that necessarily he had
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Speaker 1: some kind of major cardiac event. Uh, we don't know
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Speaker 1: at this point in time. At least I don't because
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Speaker 1: I have yet to be able to review the autopsy
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Speaker 1: report as to whether or not he had, say, blockage
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Speaker 1: in his heart, if he had had a previous heart attack.
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Speaker 1: Now I do know that he was on medication for
29:22
Speaker 1: elevated cholesterol is called hyperlipidemia, so this draws him. Wait wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott. Half of this country is on medication for cholestero. Okay,
29:34
Speaker 1: so everybody wants to keep eating fat and red meat
29:37
Speaker 1: and everything else. It gives you a high cholesterol. So
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, she says she wants to murder him, and bam,
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Speaker 1: he turns up dad and gets cremated because his body's
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Speaker 1: so decomposed. She finds out first that he's dead and
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Speaker 1: tells nobody in the family, Yeah, you know what, you
29:59
Speaker 1: got off track? I asked you if the body's so
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Speaker 1: decomposed that they've got to cremate him, how the hey
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Speaker 1: did they come up with heart well? Because heart disease
30:09
Speaker 1: is the number one killer in America. So I can
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Speaker 1: tell you no, that's their default position, Nancy, that's what
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Speaker 1: they're going to do. And listen, there's a thread that
30:19
Speaker 1: should have been undetermined. Joe Scott should have been untermined.
30:22
Speaker 1: There's a thread that runs through all of these cases
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Speaker 1: from the medical legal aspect, and it comes down to
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Speaker 1: one four letter word, and that is lazy. Lazy going
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Speaker 1: to say Lori l o RII. Well, when we begin
30:37
Speaker 1: to think about Tammy, when we begin to think about
30:40
Speaker 1: Tammy Davitt dies, it are asleep from natural causes. The
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Speaker 1: dies from an aneurism, natural causes. Everybody's dropping dead from
30:49
Speaker 1: natural causes. Yeah, it's it's almost like we're dealing with
30:52
Speaker 1: the angel of death and there is one other angels.
30:55
Speaker 1: How about Lucifer. Maybe Lucifer was talking to her. I
30:58
Speaker 1: don't know, but this is a day night. I think
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Speaker 1: you and I need to bud out of the religious
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Speaker 1: area and leave that to the religious scholars. And I'll
31:05
Speaker 1: stick to the law and you stick to medical examinations
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Speaker 1: and death investigations. But I can tell you this much.
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Speaker 1: When somebody says I want to murder this guy and
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Speaker 1: he turns up dead by unknown causes and she finds
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Speaker 1: out he's dead and tells nobody. I mean, Annie Cushion
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Speaker 1: way in, you're Joe Ryan's sister, for Pete's sake. Absolutely,
31:26
Speaker 1: I mean I agree with the analysist that this just
31:31
Speaker 1: comes down to laziness. It just lost expeditious, like, oh well,
31:36
Speaker 1: no one's no one's calling and inquiring about Joseph. We
31:41
Speaker 1: found medications. It was an external examination, so you know,
31:48
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Annie. Did you just say they
31:53
Speaker 1: did an external examination? Yes? They did. Yes, Joe Scott,
31:59
Speaker 1: what so I can look at Jackie? Oh, yeah, she's
32:01
Speaker 1: dead and heart attack. This just keeps getting better and better. No,
32:05
Speaker 1: he keeps getting worse and worse. Well, like I said earlier,
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Speaker 1: it's a nightmare. And the problem is you can't go
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Speaker 1: back and correct this. You can't. He's been cremated, so
32:17
Speaker 1: you can't go back. And even on a decomposed body
32:20
Speaker 1: that been partially embalmed, you could go back and maybe
32:24
Speaker 1: you could exhume the body and determine whether or not
32:26
Speaker 1: he had an enlarged heart or if he had coordinara
32:28
Speaker 1: artery disease, But that that that's left the stables. By
32:32
Speaker 1: this point in time, there's nothing and I mean nothing
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Speaker 1: you can do at this point. And you know what
32:38
Speaker 1: you Ryan, Joe Scott, that cow is out of the barn.
32:41
Speaker 1: So Nate eaten with me, who is the the expert
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Speaker 1: on this case, Reporter East Idaho News dot Com. He
32:49
Speaker 1: goes on, and I've got so much sound of Lori
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Speaker 1: Valo talking about wanting to kill Joseph Ryan, I was
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Speaker 1: going to murder him. I was going to kill him.
32:58
Speaker 1: Like the scriptures, say, what script sure, what is she
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Speaker 1: talking about? Well, she's quoting some scriptures in the in
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Speaker 1: the Book of Mormon where a leader at the time
33:09
Speaker 1: of profit was killed an evil man. This was an
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Speaker 1: evil leader who had killed thousands. So the comparison that
33:17
Speaker 1: there really is no comparison here. She's trying to use that.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like to justify going after her ex husband
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Speaker 1: to kill him. But but you know, we spoke with
33:26
Speaker 1: religious scholars about these exact scriptures he's quoting, and they've
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Speaker 1: pulled us. There's no comparison here. You can't compare these,
33:33
Speaker 1: As you said, Christianity Mormonism, murder is not okay. It's
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Speaker 1: not okay. So Nate, where does this stand right now? Well,
33:42
Speaker 1: right now, thanks to Ernie Cushing bringing this to lie.
33:44
Speaker 1: The Scenics Police have announced that they're taking a look
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Speaker 1: at their investigation into Joseph's death, and you know this
33:51
Speaker 1: has come in the past few days. They're going to
33:53
Speaker 1: take a look into what exactly happened here are they
33:56
Speaker 1: still quote taking a look into the cause of day
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Speaker 1: Tammy Davis that we are waiting on the autopsy results
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Speaker 1: for that. They have not made them public if they
34:05
Speaker 1: have come out, but that is still an active investigation
34:08
Speaker 1: by the Idaho Attorney General, along with whether potential charges
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Speaker 1: involving murder should come against Chad and Laurie. They are
34:15
Speaker 1: sitting in jail. The trial has been moved pushed back
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Speaker 1: until next summer, and so there will be several more
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Speaker 1: months of new developments. I imagine we wait as justice unfalls.
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