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- 0:00You're listening to Strictly Business Podcast with Lindsay Williams.
- 0:05This edition of It's My Money is brought to you by Brenthurst Wealth, your partner
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- 0:13Welcome to It's My Money.
- 0:15It's My Money is brought to you by Brenthurst Wealth, South Africa's
- 0:18multi-award winning boutique wealth manager.
- 0:20This week I'm speaking to Aidan Freswick in the Cape Town office.
- 0:21And there's a piece on Biz News that says the following.
- 0:24This is the headline.
- 0:25The hidden risk of playing it safe with your money.
- 0:29Now Aidan, this is particularly pertinent at the moment because it's a perceived
- 0:34risky
- 0:36environment with the war on Iran by the US and Israel.
- 0:39And when people see risk and headlines of risk and horrible images on television,
- 0:46they immediately run to the safety of money market and cash and other perceived
- 0:53safe instruments, don't they?
- 0:56Good afternoon, Lindsay.
- 0:57and Welcome to your listeners as well.
- 0:59Thank you.
- 1:00We definitely have those conversations on a day-to-day basis with clients,
- 1:05especially now.
- 1:07And as you've pointed out, with many of the news headlines could obviously be a
- 1:11bit alarming for investors.
- 1:13And as you point out, money market and fixed deposits normally are sort of the
- 1:18go-to in these times.
- 1:20But, you know, generally it's because they feel quite secure that their investment
- 1:25account or their, you know,
- 1:27the account balance does not fluctuate.
- 1:29with markets and not exposed to any, I would say, geopolitical factors or
- 1:33anything out there.
- 1:35So generally, money market has been a good place to hide in terms of guaranteeing a
- 1:39safety net.
- 1:41But at the end of the day, you know,
- 1:41what I want to unpack is that money market should not be a long-term investment
- 1:48solution, really,
- 1:50because there's a number of factors which we will unpack, especially inflation and
- 1:52income tax.
- 1:53So yeah, I'd like to unpack a couple of those points as well.
- 1:56Yeah, let's do that.
- 1:57And before we get into it, we have to say that we've got nothing against or you've
- 2:02got nothing against
- 2:04money market and cash as part of a diversified balance portfolio.
- 2:07It does have its role, but it shouldn't be the go to is I think is what is going to
- 2:14come out during this podcast.
- 2:16Anyway, that's the sort of disclaimer right up front.
- 2:17Now, you start with the difference between capital safety and purchasing power.
- 2:22What do you mean by that?
- 2:24Sure, so...
- 2:25There are two sides to this.
- 2:26So money market accounts definitely provide the safety net for individuals
- 2:33that want to protect their
- 2:35capital and not expose the amount to any market volatility or any
- 2:40potential risks that could devalue the investment account, for example.
- 2:47But on the other hand, we've got a scenario of the inflation, the rate of
- 2:53inflation.
- 2:55that we need to measure these returns by.
- 2:56So on the other hand, money market gives the safety net by guaranteeing a certain
- 3:03outcome of the investment.
- 3:05Let's call it seven or seven and a half percent will be guaranteed if you invest
- 3:09in the money market account.
- 3:11But at the end of the day, inflation is very slowly eroding the purchasing power
- 3:16of your funds or
- 3:18investors' funds, call it that.
- 3:20Now, what we see on the headlines is that inflation is maybe three or four maybe
- 3:254.5%,
- 3:27and the returns of money market are maybe around 7, 7.5%.
- 3:30But at the end of the day, the real inflation,
- 3:33the one that you and I as a consumer actually experience on a day-to-day basis
- 3:40is a lot higher than
- 3:424%, especially the inflation.
- 3:44So rising costs like education and especially medical aid,
- 3:46medical aid probably rises close to 7 or 8% per annum.
- 3:50So arguably, Inflation is...
- 3:53definitely a lot higher than four, four and a half percent.
- 3:56Now, if you take that against your returns of money market,
- 3:59you're actually eroding the purchasing power of your capital very slowly because
- 4:06you can't really see the impact of
- 4:08inflation against your money market returns unless you really dig deep and do
- 4:13the analysis.
- 4:15But that's what I meant about the difference between the capital safety and
- 4:19the purchasing power, that inflation really,
- 4:21really does erode purchasing power of your capital and One needs to look a bit
- 4:25further and, you know,
- 4:27especially if you have funds that are earmarked for long-term investments,
- 4:32especially for retirement, call it that.
- 4:34We need to then look at alternatives to try and keep up with the rising cost of
- 4:39living and
- 4:39to sort of better position the investor to provide for the rising cost and especially
- 4:46to keep up with the cost of living at a future date, especially over the long
- 4:50term.
- 4:51And that's what's meant.
- 4:51by the difference between capital safety and purchasing power.
- 4:56And you've mentioned inflation a couple of times.
- 4:58Inflation is a tax.
- 4:59Inflation is the enemy to an investor.
- 5:02And often when you see the South African Reserve Bank gleefully coming out and
- 5:08saying that the inflation
- 5:10rate is 3.1% or something, you say, wait a second, I'm just looking at my bills from
- 5:15last year compared to this year.
- 5:17And that's because your basket is very different to the South African Reserve
- 5:20Bank's inflation basket.
- 5:22Your basket of goods is different.
- 5:22Everybody's is different.
- 5:23If you're a low-income or a high-income person, there's a great difference between
- 5:30the amount that you spend on shelter and
- 5:32energy as a percentage.
- 5:33And so it goes on.
- 5:34And so it goes on as well when it comes to another thing that you must look at when
- 5:41you're seeking to flee to safety, so-called,
- 5:43and money market rates.
- 5:45And that is interest rates because, for example, this week, Aidan, I don't know if
- 5:48you know,
- 5:49but there are eight central banks making decisions on the price of money.
- 5:53i.e.
- 5:54interest rates.
- 5:54And if they cut interest rates, that cuts your return if you're in cash or if you're
- 6:00in the money market, doesn't it?
- 6:02That's right.
- 6:03And obviously, you know, the interest rate expectations might be a little bit
- 6:08different now with the ongoing
- 6:10war and the oil price especially.
- 6:12But generally, the interest rates are due to come down, you know, very slowly or
- 6:16aggressively,
- 6:16depending on what the Reserve Bank ultimately votes on.
- 6:19So if you look at the interest rates and let's assume
- 6:22the interest rates are expected to decrease immediately will impact the
- 6:29returns of money market
- 6:31because money market returns are directly related to the interest rates that are
- 6:36prescribed by the reserve
- 6:38bank but maybe just another thought is that let's
- 6:40assume you are a high income taxpayer now we mentioned inflation that actually
- 6:46erodes the purchasing power and also erodes the returns profile but if you
- 6:52haven't
- 6:52spoken about tax and taxes is probably the biggest elephant in the room and I'll tell
- 6:58you why.
- 6:58If you are on the higher end of the tax paying bracket, if you're fortunate enough
- 7:04to be there,
- 7:06then it means that because SARS doesn't allow for much of an exemption for
- 7:11interest income,
- 7:13you're going to be paying tax on the interest that you earn at your marginal
- 7:17tax rate.
- 7:19So if on the 45% tax brackets.
- 7:20It means you automatically need to deduct 45% from the returns that you're getting,
- 7:25which means that you definitely are eroding the purchasing power of your
- 7:28capital.
- 7:29But to your first point, there is a role for money market in an overall diversified
- 7:35portfolio,
- 7:37especially with short-term needs.
- 7:37I would say anything between six months and 12 months would be an appropriate time
- 7:44frame to keep some funds in money market,
- 7:46but anything longer than that.
- 7:48One would need to seek appropriate advice to get alternatives,
- 7:49especially for tax efficiency and to also protect the purchasing power against the
- 7:56impact of inflation.
- 7:58Right.
- 8:00Let's get down to the cold hard facts now.
- 8:02We've talked about theory.
- 8:04We've talked about the various things that can erode your safe investment.
- 8:06But what does long term data tell us?
- 8:08I mean, what are the simple facts of being in, for example, a money market fund
- 8:15versus being in something slightly more?
- 8:17speculative, shall we say.
- 8:19I've got a lovely graph in front of me that you sent me, but it's very difficult
- 8:23to describe on a podcast, but you've got the job of doing that.
- 8:25What are the long-term data points that you want to point out?
- 8:28Sure.
- 8:29So there are different asset classes out there that are available to investors to
- 8:34actually invest in,
- 8:36but generally over the long-term, and especially for long-term investors that
- 8:40are willing to
- 8:42commit to markets and ignore the headlines and stick to the overall financial plan
- 8:48that was devised for them is that
- 8:50generally equities over the long term have handsomely outperformed money market.
- 8:55However, one doesn't need to be invested completely in equities.
- 8:59We can build a very balanced and diversified portfolio consisting of
- 9:06multiple asset
- 9:08classes, including cash and money market for safety reasons.
- 9:11So generally, you know, if you have a balanced portfolio consisting of cash,
- 9:18bonds,
- 9:20properties and equities, you will almost be certain that going forward and over the
- 9:23long run,
- 9:23it will outperform your money market returns over those periods.
- 9:27However, like I've mentioned, and also a little bit of a disclaimer is that over 12
- 9:34months or anything shorter
- 9:36than 12 months would have an ideal place for money market, but anything longer than
- 9:38that.
- 9:39Investors should consider alternatives and seek appropriate advice because advisors
- 9:45have the ability.
- 9:47and knowledge to construct diversified portfolios according to the needs and
- 9:53future needs
- 9:55of any investor out there.
- 9:57Yeah, and you talk about the volatility of asset classes like equities, for example,
- 10:01and a great example of that was Liberation Day in April of 2025.
- 10:05Plus, of course, the war that I mentioned in my introduction hasn't been such a
- 10:11volatile period, only for the oil price,
- 10:13not so much for equities.
- 10:15But the point is that they are more volatile than the money markets and
- 10:19equities, that is.
- 10:21So the right role for money markets, as you say, is over a 12-month period,
- 10:24potentially,
- 10:26and in a diversified portfolio.
- 10:27And that's key, isn't it?
- 10:29It's got its place, a small percentage, as long as the rest of the portfolio is
- 10:35diversified, Aidan.
- 10:37That's correct.
- 10:39The correct place for money market is really just for short-term needs and also
- 10:43for a need that
- 10:45when you need to access the funds that the value does not become less than what
- 10:49you've put away.
- 10:51For example, if you need to purchase a property and you need a certain amount for
- 10:54the deposit,
- 10:56you cannot actually have the risk of the capital being slightly below value or
- 11:02slightly below the
- 11:04amount that you've saved up towards because the deposit on a home is an exact
- 11:08amount that you need.
- 11:10In those cases, or even if you want to buy a vehicle,
- 11:13or if you're saving up for your emergency fund to supplement your income in case
- 11:19there are rainy days,
- 11:21those type of scenarios would be the ideal place and the role for money markets.
- 11:25But as you've pointed out, long-term investors definitely need to seek
- 11:30alternatives,
- 11:32especially in the rising inflation environment and also in an environment
- 11:37where interest rates are potentially coming down.
- 11:39You sum up your article by saying protecting your future purchasing power.
- 11:41This is interesting, interesting take on it, because you say ultimately, investing
- 11:48isn't just about protecting the value of your capital today.
- 11:50It's about protecting the lifestyle that capital must support tomorrow.
- 11:52So if, for example, you're not keeping up with inflation because you are playing it
- 11:58safe, then tomorrow doesn't look good.
- 12:00Never mind today.
- 12:02Tomorrow suddenly looks even worse because there's more erosion.
- 12:03And the other thing that I want you to mention as well, if possible, Aidan,
- 12:07is there's a misconception that when you become older, that means that you take on
- 12:13less risk.
- 12:15Sometimes it's appropriate, but often it's not.
- 12:16I don't think age has much to do with it these days.
- 12:19Not at all.
- 12:20I mean, we will, of course, look at a scenario and see and evaluate how much
- 12:26risk the investor is willing to
- 12:28take.
- 12:30But sometimes there is the scenario where calculated risk needs to be taken
- 12:34in order to achieve a certain outcome.
- 12:36And what I mean by that is, for example,
- 12:38if the investor maybe doesn't have enough capital to survive over the amount of time
- 12:45that they need,
- 12:47we might need to take on a little bit more risk in order to give the investor a
- 12:52better chance of achieving their outcome
- 12:54over the long term.
- 12:56And that's just one of the, I would say, scenarios of where we need to actually
- 13:00increase the risk profile of the client
- 13:02and not necessarily factor in the age, but factor in.
- 13:05the investment needs of the investor, especially if they need to achieve a
- 13:12certain outcome at a particular time,
- 13:14we might need to take on a little bit more risk than what typically would have been
- 13:19the case if there was maybe
- 13:21a surplus amount of capital available.
- 13:22But it all depends and it's always going to come down to the needs of the investor
- 13:29and that's how we give our
- 13:31financial advice to our clients.
- 13:33Exactly.
- 13:35So if you're in doubt, if you think you're playing it too safe, or if you think even
- 13:37you're playing it a little bit too close to the wind,
- 13:39then speak to your financial advisor.
- 13:40Aidan Freswick is from Brentos Wealth, and that was It's My Money.
- 13:44It's My Money was brought to you by Brentos Wealth, an award-winning boutique
- 13:49wealth management company.