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What 2017 revealed about missing beauty queen Tara Grinstead · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel
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Speaker 1: one thirty till on Saturday, October twenty two and two
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Speaker 1: thousand five, Terry Grinstead went missing from her residence. As
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Speaker 1: the hours turned into days, days in two weeks, weeks
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Speaker 1: in two months, and eventually months into years, the search
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Speaker 1: efforts never ceased. A few days ago, an individual came
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Speaker 1: forward and reported that they had information into Terror's disappearance.
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Speaker 1: Enough probable cause was discovered so we could swear out
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Speaker 1: and a restaurant charging Ryan Alexander due with the murder
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Speaker 1: of Tera Grinstead. We always believe that it would be soft.
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Speaker 1: We just did not know when a gorgeous high school
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Speaker 1: teacher suddenly just disappears. And not only is she literally
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Speaker 1: a beauty queen, she's brilliant, already gotten her master's and
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Speaker 1: on track to get her pH d at as well.
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Speaker 1: But then it's just the oddest thing out of the blue.
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Speaker 1: She just seemingly disappears off the face of the earth.
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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. When I met Tara Grinstead's mother, the
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Speaker 1: pain just emanating from her, the sorrow, the questions, her
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Speaker 1: quiet suffering, spoke volumes to me. She walked me through
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Speaker 1: Terra's home, and I've said this before. It looked like
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Speaker 1: a little jewelry box. It was so perfect. It was
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Speaker 1: like she had gotten a Ballard design magazine and done
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Speaker 1: it all herself. But I knew with the pearls broken
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Speaker 1: on the bedroom floor, a lamp askew, and then literally
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Speaker 1: a broken bedpost, that Tara was gone and Tara would
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Speaker 1: not come back. It was a missing person's case to
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Speaker 1: start with, but that quickly took a different track to homicide.
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Speaker 1: Why it has remained a mystery for so many years
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Speaker 1: in the little town of Oscilla and beyond is because
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Speaker 1: the guy finally arrested had just been a student at
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Speaker 1: the school where Tara taught. No real connection between them
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Speaker 1: what went down the night Tara Grinstead disappeared. Another clue
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Speaker 1: we had was her car. She isn't eat Nick, and
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Speaker 1: her car was always You know, there's people alan that
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Speaker 1: the car looks brand new and even smells new. Have
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Speaker 1: you ever seen those people? Not me? Of course yeah,
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Speaker 1: And I've always been astounded and amazed and perplexed by them.
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Speaker 1: But Tara was and eat Nick. Her car was always perfect.
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Speaker 1: But when the cops looked at her car after she
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Speaker 1: goes missing, they find it covered in mud and the
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Speaker 1: driver's seat pushed back to accommodate a tall person and
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Speaker 1: it was left that way. That's not right, Alan, I
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Speaker 1: mean that just really starts at how does the story unfold?
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Speaker 1: Still no justice yet in the case of Tara Grinstead.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Alan, Let's just start at the beginning, Okay.
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Speaker 1: Joining me is an expert in the Terry Grinstead disappearance.
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Speaker 1: It's Dr Maurice Godwin. Dr Maurice Godwin actually was hired
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Speaker 1: by Terra's family to get to the bottom of her disappearance.
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Speaker 1: We know that one arrest has been made, an arrest
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Speaker 1: of someone nobody expected, a student of hers, about two
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Speaker 1: or three years before she went missing. But this case
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Speaker 1: is far from over. Let's go back, Dr Godwin and
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Speaker 1: review what we know to be true as we still
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Speaker 1: search for Terry Grinstead and whoever may have been involved
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Speaker 1: in her disappearance. Dr Godwin, take me back to the
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Speaker 1: day she went missing. What happened? She had awesome girls
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Speaker 1: over because during pagettry the paget stuff and everything, and
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Speaker 1: try to trying to coach the kids and stuff and
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Speaker 1: in how to be in beauty pagets, the makeup, the hair, Oh,
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Speaker 1: dear Lord in heaven, that is an ordeal grande. So
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Speaker 1: she was mentoring these young girls, right, that's right. So
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Speaker 1: during the day on ill covered, Uh that Sarady she
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Speaker 1: had some girls over to her home and uh they
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Speaker 1: were doing hair and make up for preparation for a
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Speaker 1: beauty paget that night, that Sara Deny and Fitzgerald she
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Speaker 1: was going to the beauty paget also miss sweet Potato
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Speaker 1: padget and so hey, wait a minute, wait a minute.
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Speaker 1: With several people, I'm a little shot. I've got two
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Speaker 1: producers in the room with me. And what is actually
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Speaker 1: laughing when you said miss sweet Potato? And I really
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Speaker 1: resent that, Jackie. I've never disagreed with you before. I'll
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Speaker 1: tell you why. That's a lot of hard work. And
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Speaker 1: people pass off these contestants as dumb bunnies. That is
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Speaker 1: so not true. You go try to squeeze into a
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Speaker 1: size to swimsuit and answer difficult questions about politics and geography.
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Speaker 1: Good luck, mommy, Okay, Well she was doing it for
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Speaker 1: the scholarship money. Yes, that's right, and that's that's really there.
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Speaker 1: I hope you heard that, Jackie. Okay, just stop gesticulating
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Speaker 1: at me. Okay, back to Dr God. When going, I
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Speaker 1: mean that was the only reason really, she was doing
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Speaker 1: a scholarship money. And so she went to off Itz
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Speaker 1: Geryl and she left about seven thirty. One of her
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Speaker 1: the girls that was at the paget, named Dana. She
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Speaker 1: walked with Tara out to Tara's car. And despite other
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Speaker 1: reports and stuff, a few recent reports in the last
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Speaker 1: six months, Tara was in good spirits and and Tara
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Speaker 1: told her that she had to go to her bosses
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Speaker 1: Barbaracan right, it was was that her was that the
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Speaker 1: Prince school principal or their superintendent of schools. It was
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Speaker 1: the superintendent of the school, the county guest. Did he
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Speaker 1: refuse to take a DNA test? Yes, but he refused,
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Speaker 1: he refused, But they got it anyhow how did they
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Speaker 1: get it? They would never tell me, but they You
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Speaker 1: know what, it's so it's so easy to get DNA.
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Speaker 1: You know, you watch somebody a restaurant. The minute they
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Speaker 1: get up, you go get their glass, bam done. They
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Speaker 1: got DNA from them. You know. That left him under
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Speaker 1: a cloud of suspicion because he refused to give DNA,
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Speaker 1: but he, as it turns out, he had absolutely nothing
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Speaker 1: to do with this. That's correct. I energect to go ahead,
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Speaker 1: but he was I mean I had him on my
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Speaker 1: radar for a long time and he refused to talk
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Speaker 1: to me in six anyway, she went to his barbecue,
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Speaker 1: arriving about eight o'clock PM, and she had a good time.
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Speaker 1: She was chatting and stuff and she um. During that
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Speaker 1: time at the barbecue, she received a number of phone calls.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, did she arrive and leave alone? Yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: she arrived at eight o'clock PM. Something the phone calls,
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Speaker 1: they claimed with paget girls calling her to thank her
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Speaker 1: and everything. But about ten twenty she received a phone
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Speaker 1: call and that was the detective from a Perry Georgia.
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Speaker 1: He still had a crush on her. Yeah, they were
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Speaker 1: seeing each other anyway. They said the goodbyes and she
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Speaker 1: said I love you too. That was at ten twenty.
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Speaker 1: So she left around eleven o'clock and it's zero point
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Speaker 1: seven tenths of a mile from that house to her house.
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Speaker 1: She drove back to her house and she was she
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Speaker 1: was never seen since. Wow, I didn't know it was
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Speaker 1: such a short distance. Dr Godwin. So this is what
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Speaker 1: I know. I know that she was a neat freak,
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Speaker 1: and I know that on her vehicle when they when
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Speaker 1: police looked at it after she was reported missing, it
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Speaker 1: was covered in mud and she would never have done that,
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Speaker 1: and that the driver's seat had been pushed back, which
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Speaker 1: all you ladies you know what I mean. It is
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Speaker 1: so irritating you get in your car and your husband
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Speaker 1: or some guy has been in it and I can't
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Speaker 1: even I'm only five one, I can't even touch the gas. Okay.
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Speaker 1: So they noticed that immediately. She lived alone, so who
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Speaker 1: else that evening had driven her car and gotten it filthy?
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Speaker 1: There were items in her vehicle that you would expect
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Speaker 1: to be stolen if somebody had taken a joy ride
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Speaker 1: or tried to still, and not only that, in her
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Speaker 1: bedroom there were reportedly a string of pearls on the
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Speaker 1: floor that had been broken, and there was an injury
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Speaker 1: to one of the posts on her bed. Yeah I
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Speaker 1: found that. Oh you were the one that found that.
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Speaker 1: Please describe that for me. Surprisingly, I was down on
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Speaker 1: the floor crawling, and she had the old timmy wooden
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Speaker 1: h floor and they were varnished and stuff. But I
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Speaker 1: was down on the floor crawling. I saw. I saw
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Speaker 1: the bed at the end on the side left was
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Speaker 1: split right into and the piece was laying in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the bed, I mean under the bed, in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the floor, under the bed. Also under
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Speaker 1: there was a big, a whole box full of letters
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Speaker 1: and everything from her ex boy friend Marcus, and it
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Speaker 1: had some dust on it. I'm not sure why gb
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Speaker 1: I didn't collect any of that. You know. Also, a
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Speaker 1: lamp was a skew, A lamp shade was a skew,
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Speaker 1: and she would let me. Let me just say something
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Speaker 1: about that, because it's more than the lamp shade being
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Speaker 1: a skewed. The actual plastic lamp socket, the bulk socket
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Speaker 1: where screwed into, was actually broke and completely bent to
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Speaker 1: the right and broken, and that plastic piece was found.
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Speaker 1: I found it under the bed. You know, it's in
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Speaker 1: me saying that you found all this and police didn't.
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Speaker 1: So let me understand another fine point here. The bedpost
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Speaker 1: that was broken and the piece of it was under
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Speaker 1: the bed. Was it near the lamp the broken lamp, No, No,
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Speaker 1: it was at the foot. Was it on the same side. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So it seems as if the struggle may have started
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Speaker 1: at the the struggle, whether it started that was between
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Speaker 1: the bedpost and the lamp on the same side that
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Speaker 1: she slept on, as if she may have been getting
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Speaker 1: into bed, and then a struggle ensued in the bedroom.
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Speaker 1: That's correct. You know. I went down there and looked
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Speaker 1: all over town, searched everything I could, went through her house,
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Speaker 1: went through her yard. Oh, speaking of her yard, doctor Godwin,
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Speaker 1: what was found in her yard from the concrete front
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Speaker 1: porch as you walked directly out of the front door,
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Speaker 1: laying right on the edge in pine straw and the
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Speaker 1: grass was a flesh color white, a late TeX's glove one.
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Speaker 1: And if you go back and look at the original
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Speaker 1: photographs from the g B I from all that glove
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Speaker 1: and stuff. If you go back and look at it,
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Speaker 1: the glove just wasn't laying on top of the pine stroll.
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Speaker 1: Somebody had pulled back the pine straw. And you know
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Speaker 1: under a new pines stroll on the top is dark
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Speaker 1: brown black type pines straw. Somebody had pulled that back
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Speaker 1: some too, almost to the ground. The glove was laying
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Speaker 1: in a little valley, so so it just didn't fall
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Speaker 1: out and land on the on the pine Stroll. There
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Speaker 1: was a little pull out area where that somebody had
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Speaker 1: taken their fingers and raped it back a little bit,
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Speaker 1: and and that glove was laying in in there, and
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Speaker 1: that they did DNA analysis on that and it came
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Speaker 1: back to a full DNA profile or white male. But
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Speaker 1: the problem is and they never knew who the white
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Speaker 1: male was. No. Over eleven years, they entered it into Kodis,
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Speaker 1: they entered to the Georgia DNA they and never got
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Speaker 1: a hit. Okay, hold on before I get to the
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Speaker 1: very the very most recent, how did you get involved
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Speaker 1: in the case one the dog Holenders that was working
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Speaker 1: in oh five? He and I had worked in the
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Speaker 1: Drew Shoulden case South Dakota, North Dakota and he knew
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Speaker 1: me and everything. So he told Tara's sister Anita about
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Speaker 1: me and UM and she contacted me in UM the
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Speaker 1: first February of oh six, and I didn't take the
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Speaker 1: case because I was busy. She contacted me about three
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Speaker 1: weeks later and I took the case and then I
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Speaker 1: went down in March of o six. So you were
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Speaker 1: contacted then by Tara Grinsteas family. What were you able
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Speaker 1: to uncover and It's amazing to me, and this is
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Speaker 1: no slight against your skills, which are actually renowned, but
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Speaker 1: it's amazing to me that cops didn't find the splintered
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Speaker 1: bed post pis and the broken lamp piece. I mean,
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Speaker 1: to me, that's very significant. Well, there was also she
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Speaker 1: was studying to get into the pH d program, so
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Speaker 1: she had one of those thick g R E books okay,
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Speaker 1: that was laying on the floor under the edge of
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Speaker 1: the bed and had dust on it. That was still there.
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Speaker 1: I'm just soaking all this in. How did they miss
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Speaker 1: it all? Doctor? I don't know that the rug, the
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Speaker 1: rug beside her bed. I pulled it up. Now you know,
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Speaker 1: it had been like four months. But the thing is
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Speaker 1: I pulled a rug up and um in the in
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Speaker 1: the rubber backing of some of it, A lot of
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Speaker 1: it pulled off. They were stuck to that varnished floor,
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Speaker 1: so uh, it had never been pulled up with me
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Speaker 1: is Dr Maurice Godwin, a doctor whose specialty is forensic
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Speaker 1: since psychology. He was actually employed hired by Tara Grinstead's
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Speaker 1: family to get to the truth of what happened to
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Speaker 1: their beautiful girl, A pageant beauty queen, and brainy as well.
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Speaker 1: Beauty queen turned history teachers seeking her pH d, who
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Speaker 1: went to college based on beauty pageant scholarship money. Yes,
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Speaker 1: she dated several people in her local town of Oscilla, Georgia,
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Speaker 1: but all that ended when she disappeared after a school barbecue.
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Speaker 1: What happened to Tara Grinstead? I mean, see Grace. This
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Speaker 1: years pass and I think everybody really looked at Marcus
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend. They had a very volatile relationship he was
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Speaker 1: a cop. He had a certain degree of power in town. Uh.
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Speaker 1: You know, cops certainly know where to hide a by body.
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Speaker 1: And there's no shortage, you know, within an hour or
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Speaker 1: two hours of Oscilla, there is thousands of acres of
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Speaker 1: swampland waterways, you name it. Everyone kind of suspected him
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Speaker 1: because that's just the way of the world. Statistics show
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Speaker 1: when a woman is murdered or goes missing, it's very
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Speaker 1: likely her partner, her ex husband, boyfriend, our partner, and
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Speaker 1: so he naturally came under suspicion. Boy, was everybody wrong? Then?
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Speaker 1: What happened? Dr Godwin? Well, there was also um the
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Speaker 1: person of the detective she was seeing too, So he
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Speaker 1: was a he was a that's right, the guy from Perry, Georgia,
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Speaker 1: And he was the last one that we know talked
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Speaker 1: to her on the phone that night, that's right, when
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Speaker 1: she got back home. That now, she she just disappeared
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Speaker 1: and the glove was found out there and the g B.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what happened was is she didn't show up
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Speaker 1: Monday morning at work, and so the elderly couple next door,
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Speaker 1: he was a counsel one, so he he had the
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Speaker 1: chief's cell phone number in his cellphone, so he called
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Speaker 1: the chief of as Ella and he came over there,
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Speaker 1: and Joe had a key to the house, so he
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Speaker 1: went in and and didn't see anything, and he came
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Speaker 1: back out, and that's and Joe saw the glove laying
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Speaker 1: on the pine straw at The chief said back then,
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Speaker 1: trying to find a needle in the haystack. We don't
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Speaker 1: even know where the haystack is. Dr Maurice Godwin finally
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Speaker 1: led to a very recent arrest after years passing. I
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Speaker 1: imagine her parents are just about giving up because when
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Speaker 1: I met with her mom, her mom looked so burdened
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Speaker 1: and so, I mean, she's a lovely lady. I guess
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Speaker 1: that's where Tara got her good looks. But she just
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Speaker 1: her demanor was just so like she was carrying the
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Speaker 1: weight of the world on her shoulder. I think he
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Speaker 1: played a role into her her health going Daylyn Oh, yeah, definitely.
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Speaker 1: You know, people say that you can die of a
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Speaker 1: broken heart, and I don't think that's altogether wrong. Now,
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Speaker 1: medical doctors will disagree with you, but frankly, what do
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Speaker 1: they know. Back to the break in the case, I
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Speaker 1: did not see this coming. I did not of course,
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Speaker 1: I assume that you should look at her current students.
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Speaker 1: You know. I just as soon I can tell you
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Speaker 1: what to myself. In oh fifteen, I was on a
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Speaker 1: national show on this and Anita was on there too,
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Speaker 1: and I made a comment about the g B. I said,
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Speaker 1: after ten years, you're gonna have to change the strategy.
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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to do something, you know, until they
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Speaker 1: are arrested. Ryan and had that one press conference that
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Speaker 1: there was never any press conference about Tara at all
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Speaker 1: in eleven years. It's amazing to me. I know, I know,
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Speaker 1: and you never I said, you need to change your strategy.
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Speaker 1: So when I got back home, hold on just a moment,
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Speaker 1: doctor Dr Murray Scott one with me. Listen to that announcement.
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Speaker 1: On Saturday, October twenty two and two thousand five, Tera
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Speaker 1: Grinstead went missing from her residence. The Ocello Police Department
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Speaker 1: responded to her residence immediately. They suspected foul play. Additional
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Speaker 1: law enforcement resources were requested. The Irwin County Sheriff's Office
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Speaker 1: and the gb I came in and began a search
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Speaker 1: at Terra's house. The troubling thing when you're working an
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Speaker 1: investigation into a missing person's case is that there's generally
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Speaker 1: very little evidence. Terra's home was searched extensively for several days,
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Speaker 1: which produced little physical evidence. As with all missing person cases,
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Speaker 1: the investigation started focusing on Terra's close friends and associates.
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Speaker 1: Terra was very well known in this community and well
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Speaker 1: liked in her community, so she had many contacts and
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Speaker 1: friends in various parts of the community. As the hours
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Speaker 1: turned into days, days in two weeks, weeks in two months,
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Speaker 1: and eventually months into years, the search efforts never see east.
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Speaker 1: Through these eleven plus years, the GBI and other law
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Speaker 1: enforcement officers have received hundreds and hundreds of tips. The
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Speaker 1: gb I handles unsolved cases in the same manner we
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Speaker 1: handled our active investigations. All open files are reviewed every
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Speaker 1: couple of months. That way, we do not let we
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Speaker 1: do not have cold cases. Each and every tip that
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Speaker 1: came in was vetted and checked against what we had
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Speaker 1: already done in this investigation. Interviews were conducted, searches were executed,
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Speaker 1: multiple DNA samples were collected. Each lead was thoroughly exhausted. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: all of these leads ended with a dead end until
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Speaker 1: the last couple of days. A few days ago, an
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Speaker 1: individual came forward and reported that they had information into
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Speaker 1: terrorist disappearance. This information made it to my office. In
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Speaker 1: our case, Agent Jason Shadel was sent out to conduct
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Speaker 1: an interview. This interview generated several more interviews, which was
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Speaker 1: followed up by the rest of our office. Here. Through
20:05
Speaker 1: these interviews enough probable cause was discovered so we could
20:10
Speaker 1: swear out and a rest warrant charging Ryan Alexander Duke
20:14
Speaker 1: with the murder of Tera Grinstead. Duke was taken into
20:18
Speaker 1: custody yesterday afternoon and the warrant was issued this morning.
20:23
Speaker 1: So that's the announcement you're talking about, Dr God. But
20:27
Speaker 1: who who saw this coming? I mean, this guy never
20:30
Speaker 1: caused a problem at school. They did not have a relationship.
20:34
Speaker 1: I mean I got into a crime con when it
20:37
Speaker 1: was suggested that she had some kind of illicit sex
20:40
Speaker 1: relationship with this guy one of her students. No, I
20:44
Speaker 1: don't believe that for a minute. If there was all
20:47
Speaker 1: and I do believe sex maybe was the motive behind
20:51
Speaker 1: all this, but it was against her will. I think
20:53
Speaker 1: you're right about that, because if they wanted to steal something,
20:57
Speaker 1: I mean, they could have done it, and I don't
20:59
Speaker 1: I I think you're right about that. And I really
21:03
Speaker 1: am angry about suggestions that she was in the wrong place,
21:12
Speaker 1: that she went quote went somewhere she shouldn't have. That
21:16
Speaker 1: really made me mad. And doctor Godwin, you should have
21:20
Speaker 1: seen the that's right, that's right, thank you, the uproar,
21:25
Speaker 1: the uproar. I should have had you up there on
21:27
Speaker 1: that panel. The uproar that erupted at crime Con when
21:32
Speaker 1: it was suggested that she had a relationship to me
21:37
Speaker 1: that it was being suggested that he had some kind
21:39
Speaker 1: of sex relationship with this boy. I think I think
21:42
Speaker 1: what it was wasn't really saying that. I think he
21:45
Speaker 1: was saying because because she was an emotional wreck over
21:50
Speaker 1: Marcus and and that made her vulnerable. Uh and and
21:55
Speaker 1: I don't think that there was anything uh. I think
21:58
Speaker 1: maybe he was saying that maybe she would go she
22:01
Speaker 1: would have taken a risk and gone somewhere, not to
22:04
Speaker 1: have sex, I things, but gone somewhere that put herself
22:08
Speaker 1: at risk. Nancy. Conveniently, I have that clip ready. This
22:13
Speaker 1: is from Crime Con two thousand seventeen with up and
22:17
Speaker 1: vanished podcaster Payne Lindsay getting in a little bit of
22:21
Speaker 1: hot water with the audience. Let's listen. Her question was
22:25
Speaker 1: to paint lindsay, since this was her student, wouldn't she
22:29
Speaker 1: probably opened the door. He knew her and her boyfriend
22:32
Speaker 1: and broken up, and she would be alone. Yeah, she
22:35
Speaker 1: may have opened the door, But that's not what the
22:36
Speaker 1: gb I said happened. They say that he broke in there,
22:40
Speaker 1: and but he would know that. Yes, she's an easy,
22:49
Speaker 1: beautiful he was exactly. Yeah, she she may have. She
22:54
Speaker 1: would have known him and may have trusted him enough
22:57
Speaker 1: to let him inside. For sure, it's possible. Something I
22:59
Speaker 1: heard you say earlier when you were doing your podcast
23:02
Speaker 1: and here is you suggested that maybe she was just
23:05
Speaker 1: in a state of mind to do something out of
23:06
Speaker 1: the ordinary and wild. Are you suggesting she might have
23:09
Speaker 1: gone to that party with Ryan and Bow? I just
23:12
Speaker 1: think that based on the emails that I have read,
23:16
Speaker 1: that kind of give insight into terrorist state of mind
23:19
Speaker 1: in that time. She seemed very vulnerable to me, and
23:22
Speaker 1: I always just gut feeling, like you get your good feelings,
23:25
Speaker 1: thought that that might be related to her disappearance. But
23:28
Speaker 1: maybe she seen them together. Oh yeah, for sure, But
23:33
Speaker 1: they didn't or they didn't the principles barbecue, I'm talking
23:37
Speaker 1: about a separate instance, separate party in town that night.
23:43
Speaker 1: Maybe she didn't go. Maybe she's at the barbecue at
23:45
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock and maybe she doesn't go straight home. Maybe
23:48
Speaker 1: she goes somewhere else. Maybe she goes out here on
23:50
Speaker 1: the orchard where there's a party and there's other people around.
23:53
Speaker 1: What what people friends of Bill and Ryan and they
23:57
Speaker 1: are how old is how oldt okay? So maybe she
24:04
Speaker 1: went to a party out in an orchard with a
24:06
Speaker 1: group of her former students. Is that what you're okay?
24:11
Speaker 1: And so after all these years, not one of those
24:14
Speaker 1: students ever came forward and said, yeah, we saw her
24:16
Speaker 1: that night. They haven't, but they are now the ones
24:21
Speaker 1: I'm talking to, they are now saying that she was
24:23
Speaker 1: there an upcoming episode? Are they saying she was at
24:28
Speaker 1: the party? Not that specifically. But all these people, all
24:32
Speaker 1: the friends of Owen Ryan, most of them knew about
24:36
Speaker 1: this too. That whatever happened, they knew about it and
24:39
Speaker 1: they kept it as secret. So the idea that this
24:42
Speaker 1: secret could not be kept for so long a party, no,
24:46
Speaker 1: but that they knew what happened specifically. That's that's one
24:49
Speaker 1: of my theories. It's easier to make it, make sense
24:53
Speaker 1: if she was already out there on the orchard to
24:54
Speaker 1: me um versus Ryan taking her out there at her house.
25:00
Speaker 1: The house perfect, well, the house was almost perfect. I
25:07
Speaker 1: mean it doesn't take, but there was no real signs
25:14
Speaker 1: of fitting into pain Lindsay's narrative. I'm not saying that's
25:20
Speaker 1: not true. I'm saying that's all that's a possibility. But
25:26
Speaker 1: Ryan Duke's pretty small guy. I mean it's confusing. I
25:30
Speaker 1: mean he's yeah, Okay, there's I promise you I am.
25:36
Speaker 1: Don't she's not. She's tell it, tell it. Somebody's chewing pain,
25:45
Speaker 1: Lindsay A nearer end hull. Okay, I mean, let this
25:50
Speaker 1: lady stand up in the purple paining issue. Yeah, it
25:55
Speaker 1: three years afterward in her class over anybody else's going on.
26:07
Speaker 1: What do you think tena two of them within those
26:12
Speaker 1: three years that I have mine. That's the reason why
26:16
Speaker 1: I showed her, that's why she Well, let me first
26:26
Speaker 1: clear this up real quick. I mean Tara is the
26:28
Speaker 1: victim here. I'm not saying anything else. I mean, whatever
26:31
Speaker 1: happened to Tera was something else. She's up to that
26:35
Speaker 1: and that's no. I literally said that there might be
26:40
Speaker 1: I think she's try this. It's easy to to make
26:46
Speaker 1: it seem like I'm victim shaming or something like that.
26:51
Speaker 1: I'm not. No. I mean, if I was shaming a victim,
26:53
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be doing it up and vanished. And I
26:59
Speaker 1: said that she might been vulnerable and made a decision
27:01
Speaker 1: that was out of the norm for tera and going
27:05
Speaker 1: to a place where strangers might be a decision out
27:08
Speaker 1: of the norm. I'm not saying she had any sort
27:10
Speaker 1: of intent there. She may have just had an open
27:12
Speaker 1: invitation and done something out of the norm, and that's
27:16
Speaker 1: why this case has been Do you think they had
27:18
Speaker 1: a communication. No, I don't think so. I think that,
27:21
Speaker 1: if anything, if Ryan may have had some sort of
27:24
Speaker 1: obsession with her, Tara had nothing to do with Brian.
27:26
Speaker 1: I don't think they talked to each other over the years.
27:29
Speaker 1: I think that it might have been something that could
27:30
Speaker 1: have been developed in his own Else she's saying he
27:35
Speaker 1: ran into her that day. I think they had last
27:40
Speaker 1: three years. He could have seen that night and followed
27:45
Speaker 1: at home. I mean it could have been that simple.
27:47
Speaker 1: But I've got to go okay that the Yeah, the
27:56
Speaker 1: shade was askew. Who said, says Maurice Godwin. Wait, a minute.
28:04
Speaker 1: She was just on the phone with the current boyfriend
28:07
Speaker 1: from Perry. Now this whole thing with the ex Marcus,
28:10
Speaker 1: the volatile relationship was on again, off again then and
28:14
Speaker 1: he was a cop. Then enter the detective in Perry,
28:18
Speaker 1: a nearby town. She was currently seeing him. I mean nothing, ever,
28:24
Speaker 1: and I said, I taught while I was waiting to
28:27
Speaker 1: get into law school. Nothing would make me interested in
28:30
Speaker 1: a thirteen year old boy except to tell him to
28:34
Speaker 1: sit down and shut up. Uh no, no, uh, this woman,
28:38
Speaker 1: Terry Grant, said, I'm just telling you a beauty queen
28:42
Speaker 1: getting her PhD. Huh, she did not was not interested
28:46
Speaker 1: in some history students she had three years before. N Oh,
28:49
Speaker 1: I think everything was against him. We all are. And
28:52
Speaker 1: you notice one thing about the charges and stuff. If
28:55
Speaker 1: they had any evidence that she was taken while she
28:59
Speaker 1: was alive from the house, they were to charge kidnapping
29:02
Speaker 1: and there's no kidnaping charges. Well, I don't know, I
29:06
Speaker 1: I disagree. Well, well, let me let me rephrase. I
29:08
Speaker 1: don't know that I disagree with what you said, but
29:10
Speaker 1: I think that they know they cannot prove a kidnapping.
29:15
Speaker 1: I do not think that, Terra Grinstead. I mean you
29:17
Speaker 1: take in the lamp, the broken lamp, the broken bed post,
29:21
Speaker 1: the pearls, the car all covered in mud, and the
29:26
Speaker 1: seat kicked back. She did not go anywhere willingly. But
29:30
Speaker 1: that in itself, in their minds, may not be enough
29:33
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29:36
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Speaker 1: how did this guy go under the radar? This student
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Speaker 1: she had three or four years before she goes missing.
32:49
Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Where did he come from? And
32:52
Speaker 1: how did he get busted? Well, let me just say
32:55
Speaker 1: this is when I was talking about changing strategies. I
32:58
Speaker 1: got back, you know, fifteen said I was telling the
33:01
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33:03
Speaker 1: own strategy after ten years. And so that's when I
33:07
Speaker 1: saw the post in January o six on web slutes
33:12
Speaker 1: from Pain, and I said, well, maybe here's my strategy
33:15
Speaker 1: after all this long time. Maybe I can use the
33:18
Speaker 1: media like a podcast or something that can help this
33:21
Speaker 1: in case. So I agreed to work with him, and
33:23
Speaker 1: we started the podcast and stuff, and I think it
33:26
Speaker 1: played a role in fleshing out this bow Dukes and
33:31
Speaker 1: Ryan Duke that that was my strategy changing strategy and stuff.
33:35
Speaker 1: And I believe if we the podcast had never been done,
33:38
Speaker 1: I don't believe there would have ever been in arrest
33:40
Speaker 1: for a long time. I think he may be right
33:42
Speaker 1: about that. Dr Maurice Godwin. So what can you tell
33:45
Speaker 1: me about the man arrested into ran Ryan? He went
33:49
Speaker 1: into military, but after boot counting stuff, he was he
33:53
Speaker 1: was released for some reason. What is his full name? Ryan?
33:56
Speaker 1: Alexandra Duke said, don't really refer to killers by their
34:00
Speaker 1: excuse me, alleged killers by their first names. I'm not
34:03
Speaker 1: really on a first name basis with him or O
34:06
Speaker 1: J or Jody or a top mom. So all right,
34:10
Speaker 1: I thought, maybe I lost my mind when he said Ryan.
34:12
Speaker 1: His name is Ryan Alexander Duke. Okay, back to him.
34:15
Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Well, he was a former student.
34:18
Speaker 1: He went in the military for some reason. After boot
34:20
Speaker 1: COUMP he got out, so he never really went He
34:23
Speaker 1: just went to boot camp basically. Yeah, then he had
34:26
Speaker 1: he was, you know, employed, unemployed, just hanging around a scilla.
34:31
Speaker 1: I think he had a drinking problem. I'm not sure
34:33
Speaker 1: about a heavy drug problem, but he had a drinking
34:36
Speaker 1: problem and he was living in October o five, we
34:40
Speaker 1: had Bow Dukes in Fitzgerald. He comes from more of
34:44
Speaker 1: an unstable background and everything. Of course, I'm not quite
34:47
Speaker 1: sure fullly aware of Bo's background, but Ryan did not
34:53
Speaker 1: come from any privilege or any kind of money or
34:56
Speaker 1: anything like that. Well that's pretty much all of us.
34:59
Speaker 1: Dr God. When So, what do you think happened? And why?
35:03
Speaker 1: How did he get busted? I understand someone walked into
35:07
Speaker 1: the police department, the local police department. He gave its hip.
35:10
Speaker 1: My understanding is is that Bow was dating a girl,
35:14
Speaker 1: and they have been dating over a year at this time,
35:17
Speaker 1: so I'm not quite sure if she knew before February
35:22
Speaker 1: of oh seventeen, anyway, she found out and she mentioned
35:25
Speaker 1: it to her mom, and it's my understanding her mom
35:28
Speaker 1: went to law enforcements. So he the roommate, says something
35:32
Speaker 1: to his girlfriend about Ryan Alexander do about the disappearance
35:38
Speaker 1: and what happened to Tara. Oh, he didn't say he
35:40
Speaker 1: did it. I'm not quite sure if he told her
35:43
Speaker 1: or not. He said he knew about it. Anyway, she
35:45
Speaker 1: took it and went to her mother and or or
35:47
Speaker 1: mentioned it in in passing to her mother, and her
35:50
Speaker 1: mother went to law enforcement. Then that's when everything Brother.
35:54
Speaker 1: They approached him. They had to get evidence on it,
35:57
Speaker 1: so they went to him and then he just he
36:00
Speaker 1: threw Ryan under the under the bus and then what
36:02
Speaker 1: happens we don't know because of the gaggle or we
36:05
Speaker 1: don't know if the DNA on the glove matches Ryan
36:08
Speaker 1: or anyone, so we don't know that. They must have
36:10
Speaker 1: a probable cost based on Bow's you know, interview, and
36:14
Speaker 1: then they I think maybe they got some sort of
36:17
Speaker 1: small confession from Ryan, and then they made the rest
36:21
Speaker 1: of Ryan. Where why were they digging in the pecan orchard? Well,
36:25
Speaker 1: because that's that was that's owned by Bo's uncle and stuff,
36:30
Speaker 1: and and supposedly after the killing or somehow she got
36:35
Speaker 1: out either she was carried out there or or somehow
36:37
Speaker 1: she was already out there. But that's where I mean,
36:40
Speaker 1: you can't. I don't think that her bedroom would be
36:42
Speaker 1: so disheveled if she I don't know. I mean, so
36:45
Speaker 1: she went home, Okay, yeah, she went. I think she
36:49
Speaker 1: to me in in my opinion, I think she was
36:51
Speaker 1: attacked into bedroom and they got her from there or
36:54
Speaker 1: killed her there and carried and carre of body back
36:57
Speaker 1: to Fitzgerald and went to the pecan orchard and she
37:01
Speaker 1: stayed supposed there for like a day or whatever, and
37:04
Speaker 1: then they burned her up, embarrassed her. Okay, slow down,
37:09
Speaker 1: tell me that again. What's your scenario they went after
37:12
Speaker 1: she was killed, that she was carried back to Fitzgerald.
37:17
Speaker 1: They was she was taken over to the pecan orchard
37:20
Speaker 1: and she was burned up, and then she was buried.
37:24
Speaker 1: What are you basing on the burning up? Well, this
37:27
Speaker 1: is our bows um, what he has told people, and
37:31
Speaker 1: that's what's out there. Yes, and plus they've only they
37:35
Speaker 1: only found small fragments of bones and stuff like that,
37:39
Speaker 1: but she was she was definitely burned but why do
37:41
Speaker 1: you say that? How do you know Tara Grinstead was burnt? Well?
37:45
Speaker 1: Based on what bow? And then we said, okay, now
37:49
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. Do you believe Bow was
37:52
Speaker 1: with right Alexander Dick when all this occurred? I think
37:55
Speaker 1: I think bose to kill her, and I think that
37:58
Speaker 1: I think that she was sexually as out it and
38:01
Speaker 1: what better way to get rid of a forensic evidence
38:03
Speaker 1: than burning the body? Well, then what role does Ryan
38:06
Speaker 1: Alexander Duke play in it? I think he's very suggestible,
38:11
Speaker 1: and uh, I think that he don't even I don't
38:13
Speaker 1: even think that he really even knows. But I think
38:16
Speaker 1: Ryan is a follower Bow as a leader, and I
38:20
Speaker 1: just think they were the Bow. Well. Isn't it true
38:24
Speaker 1: that Bo claims in text messages that Ryan Alexander Duke
38:30
Speaker 1: told him he killed Tera in her own bed. That's
38:35
Speaker 1: what he said. That's right, with one hit. But I
38:38
Speaker 1: mean supposedly Bo said that that Sayaday night there was
38:41
Speaker 1: a people in his house and Fitzgerald and they always drinking.
38:44
Speaker 1: It passed out except except Ryan. And Ryan took his
38:48
Speaker 1: truck to a sailing and killed her and brought her back.
38:52
Speaker 1: And then suddenly I guess Bo woke up or something,
38:55
Speaker 1: but he told him that he had what he'd done,
38:57
Speaker 1: and he had her in the truck, and so Bobo
39:00
Speaker 1: claims that he didn't see her for until Wednesday. He
39:02
Speaker 1: didn't see the body. He went out there and she
39:04
Speaker 1: was bloated up and stuff. I don't believe that at all.
39:08
Speaker 1: I think he. I don't think Ryan picked out Bow's
39:12
Speaker 1: family land to put her on on his own will.
39:16
Speaker 1: I think that Bow was behind, He was behind the
39:19
Speaker 1: word that body was dumped at. And you believe that
39:22
Speaker 1: Bow sexually assaulted her. I believe, Oh yeah, I believe
39:26
Speaker 1: it absolutely. Now. In the text exchanges that have now
39:31
Speaker 1: been revealed, Bow has actually described watching Tera Grinstead's body burning.
39:37
Speaker 1: Is that true? That's correct? Now? He Bow claims it
39:40
Speaker 1: was two full days after the killings that Duke his roommate,
39:45
Speaker 1: showed him Terra's naked body in the pecan orchard, and
39:51
Speaker 1: that it was his idea to burn the body. That
39:53
Speaker 1: does not ring true to me. If somebody came and
39:56
Speaker 1: said to me, I've got Alan Dick lurking somewhere on
39:59
Speaker 1: this program, I am here, Alan. If you were to
40:01
Speaker 1: come tell me, hey, I've got a naked body out
40:04
Speaker 1: my truck bed. You think I'd wait two days ago
40:06
Speaker 1: look at it? Uh? In Oh that that's that's just
40:10
Speaker 1: down right not true right there. I agree with you,
40:12
Speaker 1: Dr god when I agree. Yeah, there's there's a lot
40:15
Speaker 1: that that Dr Godwin has been able to uncover along
40:18
Speaker 1: with the others working on what sticks out to you.
40:22
Speaker 1: The thing that sticks out to me, and it's a
40:24
Speaker 1: really concern and the reason that that I think Dr
40:26
Speaker 1: Godwin might think that Bow is implicated more than more
40:29
Speaker 1: than he's admitting to. Is this whole thing about the
40:33
Speaker 1: statute of limitations. Could you go into that with us,
40:35
Speaker 1: Dr Godwin. See, supposedly they got a call, uh, probably
40:40
Speaker 1: a week or two or something afterwards she went missing. Uh,
40:43
Speaker 1: they got a call the Herbal County sheriffs Department and supposedly, uh,
40:48
Speaker 1: two deputies went to the county line ben Hill county
40:52
Speaker 1: line where which is what fish geralds at, and supposed
40:56
Speaker 1: to they went out there and drove around and searched.
40:58
Speaker 1: Of course there's a lot three d acre. They didn't
41:00
Speaker 1: find anything, so they just left around the pecun orchard.
41:04
Speaker 1: But there's there's no really record of that search. But
41:08
Speaker 1: supposedly the whole thing for this is to suggest that
41:12
Speaker 1: law enforcements somehow knew about somebody out there at a
41:16
Speaker 1: bomb fire and stuff. Confining. We're getting way out in
41:20
Speaker 1: the weeds here. You asked about a statute of limitations
41:23
Speaker 1: problem if they if they knew about statute in a
41:26
Speaker 1: murder case. People, I'm not not murdered, but the about
41:30
Speaker 1: when it's about when she was found, If the law
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Speaker 1: enforcement knew about it, does the statue of limitation start then?
41:38
Speaker 1: Or are you trying to say, I'm sorry, I can't
41:42
Speaker 1: make sense of what the two of you were saying.
41:44
Speaker 1: You were saying first of all, First of all, there
41:46
Speaker 1: is no statute of limitations. Statute of limitation simply means this,
41:52
Speaker 1: say I run into Walmart and I steal a set
41:57
Speaker 1: of towels. Okay, there's a statute of limitations during which
42:02
Speaker 1: I can be prosecuted on a theft by taking is
42:04
Speaker 1: probably five years. After five years, if they don't get me,
42:07
Speaker 1: those tiles are mine and I'm home free. That's a
42:10
Speaker 1: statue of limitation. But I think the question is when
42:13
Speaker 1: does that start? If law enforcement didn't know anything about that,
42:16
Speaker 1: the off, when does that statute limitation start? This Okay,
42:20
Speaker 1: first of all, in murder, but this is about boss.
42:25
Speaker 1: I understand you, but are you telling me the two
42:29
Speaker 1: of you actually telling me you don't think bou had
42:32
Speaker 1: anything to do with it. They don't have the evidence
42:35
Speaker 1: on him, apparently we don't know because of the gag
42:38
Speaker 1: that right to a jury and let a jury decide.
42:41
Speaker 1: But together, he's only charged in Benhill. He's not charged
42:46
Speaker 1: in Urban County, not for now with hiding the body, right,
42:49
Speaker 1: disposing the body. Yeah, what casilla evidence and hiding the
42:53
Speaker 1: body and all that is not right now, but that
42:55
Speaker 1: can be amenda. So anyway, the statute in hiding the
43:00
Speaker 1: body would likely start at the time of the murder.
43:05
Speaker 1: Now on hiding a body. Hiding a body, of course
43:10
Speaker 1: is not murder, but if you're charged with accessory to murder,
43:14
Speaker 1: they don't have that in Georgia, you know what, You're right,
43:17
Speaker 1: So he'd have to be charged with co defendant. He'd
43:19
Speaker 1: have to be charged as a co defendant and murder.
43:21
Speaker 1: And I think that's what they're working on right now.
43:24
Speaker 1: I think that's what's going on the kinds of things,
43:26
Speaker 1: But frankly, I don't know what they're doing. Well, the
43:28
Speaker 1: police deal or the the he apparently had bow bow.
43:32
Speaker 1: Dukes had some arrangement with the district attorney the prosecutors
43:37
Speaker 1: to be a state witness. But is that still holding,
43:40
Speaker 1: Dr Godwin, I'll tell you I don't. I don't think so,
43:42
Speaker 1: because you know he was a rag not too long ago.
43:45
Speaker 1: So Dr Godwin, you feel firmly that they have found
43:51
Speaker 1: enough of her body to prove a murder charge. You know,
43:55
Speaker 1: because often said if you don't have a body, you
43:58
Speaker 1: can't prove the case. That's entirely not true. But you
44:01
Speaker 1: believe they have found enough bone fragments to prove what
44:04
Speaker 1: happened to Terra. I believe that they are found enough
44:07
Speaker 1: remains to prove that it is Tera, to prove that
44:10
Speaker 1: it is Tera. And the fact that her bones are
44:12
Speaker 1: fragmented shows a lot well that comes from decomposition over
44:18
Speaker 1: the twelve years and to burning. You want me no
44:20
Speaker 1: autopsy because there's nothing autopsy. The manner of death you
44:24
Speaker 1: have to base it on somebody's word, not man or death,
44:26
Speaker 1: I mean mechanism of death like smothering or stranglation. You
44:31
Speaker 1: have to just base it on Bo's word or or
44:34
Speaker 1: I don't know if Ryan said that or not. In
44:36
Speaker 1: a confession. You're just gonna have to base it on that. Well,
44:38
Speaker 1: I'd hate to base anything or what these two may say.
44:41
Speaker 1: What is Terra's family reaction to this? Well, they're thrilled
44:45
Speaker 1: about the rest and they want the monsters to go
44:48
Speaker 1: to prison. And what do people in Oscilla think of this?
44:51
Speaker 1: Do they think they've got the right guy? Yes? I
44:53
Speaker 1: think the people said of glad there was a rest,
44:56
Speaker 1: and I think that they're glad. They'd be glad when
44:58
Speaker 1: this whole thing is over. Let me ask you this,
45:01
Speaker 1: do you think this should be a death penalty case?
45:03
Speaker 1: Because I I'm glad to hear that. I'm really glad
45:07
Speaker 1: to hear that. Now, of course they have to move
45:09
Speaker 1: the case out of a Soila. That's just given. The
45:12
Speaker 1: defense is going to ask for a change of venue.
45:14
Speaker 1: But when do you believe this will go to trial?
45:18
Speaker 1: A year? Mm? Hmm a year? And do you think
45:22
Speaker 1: bou Dukes, the roommate, is ultimately going to give States
45:26
Speaker 1: evidence against Ryan Alexander Dip Yeah, he's got a problem
45:29
Speaker 1: with defense. He's got a problem because on me, the
45:32
Speaker 1: defense attorney, he's got all the files now which were
45:36
Speaker 1: thirty feet that they were thirty ft long the GBI files,
45:38
Speaker 1: and he says was thirty ft long before they arrest.
45:42
Speaker 1: So he's got all those files. Now he's gonna try
45:45
Speaker 1: to get one person a reasonable doubt on that jury
45:49
Speaker 1: that Ryan did this himself and try to implicate both.
45:53
Speaker 1: With all he's posting, all his screenshots, he can be
45:57
Speaker 1: easily impede me. Ask you, Dr Godwin, what would have
46:00
Speaker 1: made Ryan Alexander Duke do such a thing. If you
46:03
Speaker 1: don't believe they had a sex relationship, which I do not,
46:08
Speaker 1: why would he leave a party and go kill Tara
46:12
Speaker 1: Grinstead or try to assault her and then kill her.
46:16
Speaker 1: I think it's more like both of them were riding
46:18
Speaker 1: around and possibly saw her coming home. Yeah that's right. Now.
46:23
Speaker 1: There might be another motive behind that, but I don't
46:26
Speaker 1: know it. So your scenario is that they're out riding around,
46:30
Speaker 1: they see her, or they go by her house. I mean,
46:34
Speaker 1: she would have recognized Ryan Alexander Duke if he came
46:37
Speaker 1: to the door and that's all it took. Yeah, and
46:40
Speaker 1: you know there's been mentioned that he used a plastic
46:43
Speaker 1: card or something like that to jiggle around and get
46:46
Speaker 1: in into the front door. I don't believe that. Why
46:48
Speaker 1: Why don't you believe that? Because even I can break
46:50
Speaker 1: into a door with my driver's license. But I mean,
46:54
Speaker 1: first of all, her front porch light was on, and
46:56
Speaker 1: she had some Halloween declarations up. I mean, and you
46:59
Speaker 1: know him drink king and stuff. He's standing there with
47:01
Speaker 1: a car trying to if she had a piece of
47:03
Speaker 1: wood in the molding the brick molding of the door
47:07
Speaker 1: frame and stuff all the way down on the left
47:09
Speaker 1: side that prevents you. So he would have to sit
47:12
Speaker 1: there and fiddle with this thing, and late at night
47:14
Speaker 1: and stuff. Uh, And do I don't believe that he
47:17
Speaker 1: got in some other way or he used a roost
47:20
Speaker 1: uh tow and she opened the door. And you think
47:22
Speaker 1: this struggle went down in her bedroom. He believe I
47:26
Speaker 1: does too, because they have it in there. Yeah, they do.
47:29
Speaker 1: It's in the indictment. And you believe that he killed
47:32
Speaker 1: her right there in the bed that's hit put hit
47:35
Speaker 1: her body in his truck, took her body to a
47:38
Speaker 1: pecan orchard, buried it, burned it and buried it at
47:42
Speaker 1: some point they were in her car though at some point,
47:45
Speaker 1: at some point possible, But you know, I don't know,
47:49
Speaker 1: you know, it's there's a lot of the nuances in
47:51
Speaker 1: this case and stuff. But to me, in my opinion,
47:53
Speaker 1: Bow is the reason why that the body was in
47:56
Speaker 1: the pecan orchard that chose that location. Ryan did not
48:00
Speaker 1: go out there on his own and and and dump
48:02
Speaker 1: body out there and then then later come back and
48:05
Speaker 1: tell Bode later on in a couple of days later, Hey,
48:08
Speaker 1: you know, I just put this over your your uncle's land.
48:10
Speaker 1: I don't believe that at all. How do you think
48:13
Speaker 1: that this is going to play out? Dr Godwin? Well,
48:17
Speaker 1: I hope it goes to trial because you know, inner
48:19
Speaker 1: and a plea in reading that, you know, that short
48:22
Speaker 1: narrative you know, and the judge reading it and stuff,
48:24
Speaker 1: and Ryan agree into it and signing off on it
48:26
Speaker 1: and stuff. I think it would leave a lot of
48:28
Speaker 1: people hanging. So I think people in the family are
48:32
Speaker 1: owed case information, and I think that that's having a
48:35
Speaker 1: trial is the only way to do that. So I
48:37
Speaker 1: think hopefully that this go to trial, and I think
48:40
Speaker 1: Ryan end up getting life without parole, and I hope
48:44
Speaker 1: that Bode gets a lot more, a lot more years
48:47
Speaker 1: than a one or two. Well, why not the death penalty?
48:50
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't know if he's this is
48:53
Speaker 1: a uh, it's a definity case. We believe it, but
48:55
Speaker 1: I don't know if that they've charged that with him
48:57
Speaker 1: with that, so, yeah, that I don't believe included from
49:00
Speaker 1: the aggravated circumstances. Yeah, they probably took it off the
49:03
Speaker 1: table as a negotiating thing. Well, they haven't negotiated with
49:07
Speaker 1: Ryan Alexander Duke, I don't think. Yeah, I don't know
49:11
Speaker 1: about it, but they have with bow Duke. Yeah, because basically, uh,
49:15
Speaker 1: that's the only thing we've they've got except you know,
49:18
Speaker 1: I don't know what the DNA on the glove is
49:21
Speaker 1: and we don't have a body to get sperm or
49:24
Speaker 1: touch DNA or with no soft tissue left, you couldn't
49:27
Speaker 1: get touched DNA anyway. Yeah, And they left the jeans,
49:31
Speaker 1: left the jeans in the in the bedroom. See where
49:34
Speaker 1: you have that belt, and I mean, you know you
49:36
Speaker 1: can do touch DNA and stuff from the genes of
49:39
Speaker 1: where you have to grab areas and stuff and and
49:42
Speaker 1: so what that stuff was left into The clothing was
49:44
Speaker 1: left into bedroom, but the cops got it. No, that's where, No,
49:49
Speaker 1: that the clothing was. The jeans were left in the bedroom.
49:52
Speaker 1: As far as I know, Oh, dear Lord in heaven,
49:55
Speaker 1: where are the Jenes now? I think a lot of
49:57
Speaker 1: the stuff I win in storage and everything, you know,
50:01
Speaker 1: Dr Godwin, I really hate to hear that, and I
50:06
Speaker 1: don't want to trash the cops because they're doing the
50:08
Speaker 1: best they can. They are like the g B I.
50:12
Speaker 1: The g B I should have a been a different
50:14
Speaker 1: approach during the first five years. Would would have made
50:18
Speaker 1: a difference. And the least they should have had some
50:21
Speaker 1: type of uh A conference called a conference and and
50:25
Speaker 1: update every five years or over three years or something
50:28
Speaker 1: like that. And they never did that. I think, I
50:30
Speaker 1: tell you what happened. But they had a d n
50:32
Speaker 1: A and and d n A, a full DNA and
50:36
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Makes a lot of investigators lazy. So
50:39
Speaker 1: what they do They don't really have anything else, so
50:41
Speaker 1: they just wait for a hit. Yet with me is
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Speaker 1: a renowned forensic psychologist who is hired by Terra Grinstead's
50:50
Speaker 1: family to try to find the truth. Dr Maurice Godwin
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Speaker 1: with us as we wait for this case to go
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Speaker 1: to trial, and they murder of a beautiful young woman,
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Speaker 1: a beauty queen turned pH D candidate, tarant rstead I.
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