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Mormon Mom Parties Hardy After Hubby Poisoned Dead · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Many people, be at woman or man that lose their
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Speaker 1: spouse go into a deep, deep depression. Some can't eat,
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Speaker 1: they can't drink, They go into seclusion. Many don't even
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Speaker 1: want to live anymore. But this Mary widow through a
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Speaker 1: house party, Imancy, Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation in serious
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Speaker 1: XM one eleven.
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Speaker 2: First of all, take a listen to our friends at NBC.
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Speaker 3: This whole entire place will sleep up to sixty people.
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Speaker 4: The listing agent telling NBC News Corey is currently selling
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Speaker 4: this house, purchased just a week after her husband's death.
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Speaker 4: Detectives say the couple had argued about the property, which
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Speaker 4: Corey wanted to flip. The agent says this rendering shows
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Speaker 4: plans for a four to six million dollar renovation of
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Speaker 4: the ten acre estate, but police say Eric told his
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Speaker 4: family he no longer wanted to buy the house because
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Speaker 4: it would lose a significant amount of money. The day
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Speaker 4: after Eric was found dead, investigator say Corey reached a
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Speaker 4: deal on the home, and that same day through a
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Speaker 4: party at her house where she was drinking and celebrating
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Speaker 4: with friends.
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Speaker 1: Wow, and it wasn't just a house. This house was
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Speaker 1: over two million dollars valued unfinished twenty thousand square feet
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Speaker 1: on a nearly nine acre plot of land. Okay, joining
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Speaker 1: me an all star panel to make sense of what
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Speaker 1: we know right now. But first to Jarrett Farantino, homicide prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: You can find him on Facebook and Insta at Jarrett Farantino. Jarrett,
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Speaker 1: thanks for being with us. Jarrett, you know money, greed, Greed,
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Speaker 1: greed one of the seven Deadly sins. Now, of course,
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Speaker 1: you know the seven daily sins is set forth in
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Speaker 1: Canterbury Tales. Is not necessarily the law by which we live,
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Speaker 1: but a lot of murders have been committed over greed.
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Speaker 5: Nancy, I look at this case and I think about
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Speaker 5: we said when we were talking about doctor Craig, the
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Speaker 5: dentist that poisoned his wife, there's a special place in
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Speaker 5: hell for people that kill out of greed and selfishness.
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Speaker 5: And that's exactly what this is all about. Corey Richards
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Speaker 5: was in love with a lifestyle.
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Speaker 1: A lifestyle, that's a really good way to put it,
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Speaker 1: Jarrett Farantino.
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Speaker 2: A lifestyle.
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Speaker 1: Was it a lifestyle she could not sustain with a husband,
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Speaker 1: or was it a lifestyle she couldn't have with a husband,
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Speaker 1: because here you see him putting the brakes on buying
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Speaker 1: this two million dollar house. And you know, they buy
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Speaker 1: and they flip, and I guess she wanted to flip
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Speaker 1: this house or did she want to move into this house?
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Speaker 1: But I do know this. The day after he dies,
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Speaker 1: she throws a celebration, a big party, to celebrate closing
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Speaker 1: the deal on the house. Forget about him, he's cold
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Speaker 1: and dead. Let's look forward at the house.
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Speaker 5: You know, Nancy, one other thing, and you've prosecuted these cases.
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Speaker 5: This is something events like this, actions like this, a
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Speaker 5: party after the death, that will come in to the
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Speaker 5: ultimate prosecution in this case. Here's why her actions before
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Speaker 5: and her actions after all are relevant to her true
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Speaker 5: intentions in the case. She's celebrating at the death of
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Speaker 5: her husband, a father of three young children, because she
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Speaker 5: accomplished her goal get him out of the way, get
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Speaker 5: this property, get money, and that's what she was partying about.
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Speaker 1: Can we walk through these steps, everybody on the panel?
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Speaker 1: Do I have to keep reminding you this is not
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Speaker 1: high tea at Windsor Castle with Camilla and Charles.
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Speaker 2: Okay, jump in. It's more like a rugby game.
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Speaker 1: No pads, no protection, head on collision and who wins
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Speaker 1: to the inn remains to be seen. Let's talk through
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Speaker 1: all the steps of throwing a party. Can we just
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Speaker 1: start right there? Let me go to Karen Stark joining me,
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Speaker 1: renowned psychologists joining us from Manhattan trauma and crime expert.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen
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Speaker 1: with a CE. Karen a party. You know, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: throw you by the fourth party like we do every
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Speaker 1: single year. And we really, as we say, down south,
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Speaker 1: put on the dog. I mean, we have so much fun.
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Speaker 1: Typically we get a slippy slide which results in a
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Speaker 1: big mudhole in the yard. I see you shuddering over there, Jackie, fireworks,
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Speaker 1: the whole shebang. Okay, and you have to think about
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Speaker 1: it ahead of time.
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Speaker 2: What are you gonna cook?
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Speaker 1: What are you going to serve?
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Speaker 2: Sending out the evites?
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Speaker 1: On and on and on? Did we forget anybody? Who
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Speaker 1: do we invite? Last year? Don't want to leave anybody out?
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Speaker 1: That takes a minute, Right, So when was she doing
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Speaker 1: the party planning?
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Speaker 3: Well, Nancy, you're talking about a cycle path right.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I just figured it out, Karen. Start
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Speaker 1: you know, I will lose the thought if I don't
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Speaker 1: tell you immediately. Okay, Kelly, maybe she did the party
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Speaker 1: planning while her husband was lying in bed dying of
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Speaker 1: a massive fentanyl overdose. Remember, she was texting a lot,
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Speaker 1: and we can't seem to find out what she and
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Speaker 1: her friend were texting about. So maybe it was all
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Speaker 1: the party planning. Because the day after he's dead, she
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Speaker 1: has a big party, I mean, with all the works
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Speaker 1: and trimmings. So when was that planned before he died,
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Speaker 1: after he died while he was dying. I'd be very
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Speaker 1: curious to find out. Karen start, Hey, Hey, we need
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Speaker 1: to make a note of this to Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Justin Borman, Jarrett Farantino, and Dave Mack. When did she
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Speaker 1: invite people to the party? Was it after the husband died,
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Speaker 1: while he was dying, or before he died. I really
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Speaker 1: want to know that because you just heard Jarrett Farentino,
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Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer, state that her actions after the death
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Speaker 1: of her husband can come into evidence. That's absolutely correct
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Speaker 1: in the law. So I want to find out when
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Speaker 1: these party invites went out. Okay, I got it out, Karen,
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Speaker 1: go ahead.
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Speaker 3: Well, what I wanted to say is when you think
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Speaker 3: about someone who's a psychopath, right, they don't have any feelings.
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Speaker 3: So of course she's able to have a party. I
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Speaker 3: don't know when she planned it, but she's a liar too.
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Speaker 3: She told them, she told the police that her phone
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Speaker 3: was turned off what you were talking about, and they
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Speaker 3: discovered in fact that she was. There was a lot
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Speaker 3: of movements txed people back and forth. Maybe she was
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Speaker 3: planning it at that point. And also Nancy a day
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Speaker 3: after or a few days after, she hired somebody to
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Speaker 3: break into the state.
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Speaker 1: Great minds think, Oh, I I'm moving right along to that.
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Speaker 1: After I talked about the party invites, nobody apparently is
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Speaker 1: interested in my party theory that throwing this big party
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Speaker 1: with all of her friends is significant, not just the
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Speaker 1: audacity of it, not just the behavioral oddity. But I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about digital evidence that we can get about when
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Speaker 1: she planned the party. What did she say, Hey, my
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Speaker 1: husband's debit, We're still going to have the party. Did
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Speaker 1: she say that before, during, or after?
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Speaker 5: Nancy?
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Speaker 1: Who is this this? Dave mac oh Okay, Dave May
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Speaker 1: joining me Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, Do you
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Speaker 1: have an answer?
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Speaker 6: Well, we have this Nancy every time Cory Richins was
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Speaker 6: texting her friends, okay about anything in the month leading
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Speaker 6: up to the death of Eric Richards, she deleted the data.
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Speaker 6: So what we know is that, as she this was
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Speaker 6: not necessarily a planned event with invitations, like you talked
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Speaker 6: about high tea in London.
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Speaker 1: But what it is, Windsor Castle is not in London,
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Speaker 1: number one. Let's get that straight. Okay, that is where
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Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth hung out with the Duke. It's beautiful, it's serene,
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Speaker 1: it's bucolic. London is a whole other can of worms. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's just get that straight. You're the investigative reporter. Don't
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Speaker 1: just blurt out Windsor Castle is in London. Okay, go ahead.
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Speaker 6: Okay, now that I'm pulling out the globe to start studying,
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Speaker 6: let me get back to this for a minute.
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Speaker 7: What she did was it.
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Speaker 6: Wasn't like they had butlers and servants and everybody showing up.
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Speaker 6: She called her closest friends and then texted or deleted
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Speaker 6: whatever she had already said to come on over.
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Speaker 1: We're throwing down.
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Speaker 6: Because this plan of action, this entire event that took
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Speaker 6: place at that party Nancy was actually based on an
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Speaker 6: entire lie. This is where everything crumbled, because everyone on
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Speaker 6: Eric's side of the family knew he was not into
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Speaker 6: this mansion building flip right. He was against it. He
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Speaker 6: wasn't going forth. She immediately as soon as he's dead,
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Speaker 6: she closes on the thing within twenty four hours. Okay,
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Speaker 6: she buys the house that they were disagreeing about and
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Speaker 6: calls her friends to come over and celebrate. But she
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Speaker 6: told the police that the night Eric died when she
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Speaker 6: made him the Moscow Mule, that that's what they were celebrating.
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Speaker 6: They had closed on it earlier that day, so immediately
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Speaker 6: she had lied, tripping everything up at the very beginning
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Speaker 6: with that party being right there at the genesis of
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Speaker 6: the whole thing. So police immediately knew, wait a minute,
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Speaker 6: this is not right.
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Speaker 1: So somebody is jumping on my party bandwagon here and
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Speaker 1: it is Dave Matt with Crime on Line. Hey, Dave,
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Speaker 1: I want to confirm a couple of things you said.
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Speaker 1: I just want to reiterate them. So I'm marshaling the evidence.
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Speaker 1: What does that mean? As you're at Ferentino can tell
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Speaker 1: you when you've got a lot of evidence, you have
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Speaker 1: to marshal or organize it. That's what that means, and
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Speaker 1: I'm getting down to the timing of this party, big party,
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Speaker 1: a lot of friends over. Now I know she lied
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Speaker 1: to the cops according to what we just heard from
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Speaker 1: Dave Mac about when the closing was. Are you telling me,
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Speaker 1: Dave Mac, that the closing occurred within twenty four hours
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Speaker 1: after the husband's death.
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Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying, Well, not closing.
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Speaker 6: She reached a deal on thisa deal within twenty fe Yes,
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Speaker 6: Ma'am'm not closing. It takes time to set that up.
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Speaker 6: But yet she reached the deal because it was in
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Speaker 6: limbo with Eric alive. She hadn't reached the deal because
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Speaker 6: you wouldn't allow it. And as he was dead, she's
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Speaker 6: on the phone talking to whoever she's buying it from
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Speaker 6: and they're making plans to go in and destruct a
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Speaker 6: deal on the price. And then she actually called the
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Speaker 6: Prinsilla's party.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let me one more question regarding the party.
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Speaker 1: The emails or texts that she sent to her friends
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Speaker 1: to come over and party celebrate the closing. Did she
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Speaker 1: delete that data.
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Speaker 6: We don't have any record that police uncovered any information
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Speaker 6: detailing the party and invitations to it.
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Speaker 1: Because I'm not quite sure which friends, emails and text
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Speaker 1: she deleted. Guys, we know that information was deleted. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut seventeen from ku TV.
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Speaker 8: Evidence gathered in the death investigation revealed Corey claims she
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Speaker 8: was away from her phone that night and it was
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Speaker 8: left on a charger by her bed teams. However, gathered
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Speaker 8: evidence the phone was in use during that time and
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Speaker 8: sent messages had been deleted.
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Speaker 1: There you hear sent messages deleted. There's a lot more
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Speaker 1: digital evidence to analyze. But why would you delete simple
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Speaker 1: party invitations? I mean, as Jackie here knows, who rifles
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Speaker 1: through my cell phone all.
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Speaker 2: The time, Nothing is ever deleted.
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Speaker 1: It's a treasure trove of whatever you want to find,
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Speaker 1: So why would she go to the trouble to delete
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Speaker 1: party invites texting her friends? Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here,
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Speaker 1: You know, Justin Boardman is with us SI detective formerly
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Speaker 1: with West Valley CITYPD Special Victims Unit, now at Boardman
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Speaker 1: Training and Consulting. Justin, this is your neck of the woods?
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Speaker 1: What can you tell us?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it is my neck of the woods. In fact,
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Speaker 7: I lived for a while just half a mile or
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Speaker 7: so away from the property that she purchased a flip,
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Speaker 7: which seems to be cursed because the former owner committed
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Speaker 7: suicide in there, and it's been in limbo and been
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Speaker 7: an eyesore for the community for such a long time.
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Speaker 1: It's hard for me to imagine a two million dollar
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Speaker 1: home being an eyesore. But I guess beauty is in
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Speaker 1: the eye of the beholder.
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Speaker 7: Go ahead, Yeah, it certainly is, mainly because it's been
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Speaker 7: just half finished. Sitting there.
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Speaker 1: Oh yes, I'm looking at a photo of it right now.
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Speaker 1: It's big.
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Speaker 2: It's beautiful, gorgeous location.
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Speaker 1: If you're into garish, I guess this would qualify.
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Speaker 7: But very true.
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Speaker 1: Also, it's on a beautiful track of land, and I
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Speaker 1: believe it was close to ten acres. The scenery is
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Speaker 1: worth it because behind this home, as just and boardman
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Speaker 1: is telling us with boardman training and consulting, if you
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Speaker 1: look at it in the background, are these beautiful snow
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Speaker 1: capped heels, the big sky. It's really a vista that
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Speaker 1: I guess may be worth the money if you have it.
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Speaker 1: And it is a big home. It's a big home.
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Speaker 1: It's a honk and big home. Hell, let's say twenty
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Speaker 1: thousand plus square feet right?
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Speaker 2: Wow?
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Speaker 1: Okay, so you live not far from this, correct. Have
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Speaker 1: you spoken to anyone that knew the Richens.
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Speaker 7: Yeah? I spoke to somebody the other day at the
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Speaker 7: Memorial Day neighborhood party that mentioned that she was friends
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Speaker 7: with her and this was just a very huge surprise
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Speaker 7: to her friends because they did not see this monster,
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Speaker 7: a lurking beneath the surf, if you will.
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Speaker 1: So they were surprised.
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Speaker 7: They were surprised absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, that's in direct contradiction to Eric Richard's family.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut twenty eight our friends
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Speaker 1: at NBC.
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Speaker 4: Now, the family of the father of three is speaking out,
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Speaker 4: saying they've long been suspicious of his wife, Corey. Does
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Speaker 4: Eric's family believe Corey killed him?
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Speaker 9: I think the family has always felt that Corey was
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Speaker 9: somehow involved in his death.
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Speaker 4: The thirty three year old real estate agent turned children's
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Speaker 4: book author has been charged with his murder, police alleging
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Speaker 4: she poisoned her thirty nine year old husband last March
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Speaker 4: with a massive dose of fennol, and according to court documents,
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Speaker 4: Eric's family told investigators, it may not have been the
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Speaker 4: first time she poisoned him.
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Speaker 9: He felt like Corey was trying to kill him and
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Speaker 9: that if he did die, that she should be investigated
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Speaker 9: for that.
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Speaker 6: Wow.
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Speaker 1: So the family wasn't surprised at all, because, according to them,
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Speaker 1: this father of three thought his wife had long been
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Speaker 1: trying to kill him. But he would not accept that.
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Speaker 1: It was more like a joke to him. But as
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Speaker 1: we know, many a true word is spoken in jest,
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Speaker 1: alternately seriously telling his sister about what he perceived was
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Speaker 1: an attempt on his life while the family was vacationing
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Speaker 1: in Greece, and then hey, she's doing it for the money,
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Speaker 1: ha haha. You know, I've noticed Karen Stark's psychologists joining
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Speaker 1: us out of Manhattan that very often people joke about
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Speaker 1: things which are deadly serious, things that maybe even scary
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Speaker 1: to them. Is that just a way of dealing with fear.
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Speaker 3: Well, exactly, Nancy. A lot of humor is based on
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Speaker 3: people being fad or fearful, and the way that they
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Speaker 3: can make it be okay is to lighten it up.
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Speaker 3: But I don't think that this man was actually thinking
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Speaker 3: it was funny. I think that he really understood that
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Speaker 3: she wanted him to be dead, that she had tried
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Speaker 3: to kill him. And I want to add that that
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Speaker 3: was not the first time.
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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely not. You know, I noticed something and I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you've noticed this in your death investigations.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan with me is death investigator Joseph Scott
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Speaker 1: Morgan professor forensics at Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of a hit
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Speaker 1: series and I mean a hit Body Bags with Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, you and I together worked on the case
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Speaker 1: of Ellen Greenberg, a beautiful young teacher who was stabbed.
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Speaker 1: I believe it was twenty two times, mostly in the
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Speaker 1: back and the back of the head, in the back
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Speaker 1: of the neck, and her murder was ruled a suicide.
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Speaker 1: And I have been pushing that case since we heard
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Speaker 1: about it. When I visited her parents, Joe Scott, her
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Speaker 1: mother was very solemn, pleasant, but solemn because we were
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Speaker 1: talking about our daughter's murder. The father, who was a
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Speaker 1: really nice guy, kept cracking jokes the whole interview, and
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Speaker 1: a couple of times I had a barbed response because
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Speaker 1: I really think it was appropriate. But later I saw
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Speaker 1: him standing in the family kitchen and his eyes were
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Speaker 1: filled with tears. We went to, as you know, her
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Speaker 1: grave site, and the family told me that they had
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Speaker 1: not been to her grave site because it was so
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Speaker 1: quippling painful for them to have to see her grave
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Speaker 1: and deal with the fact that she's never ever coming home.
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Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I look back on him
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Speaker 1: cracking jokes and I wish I had not responded so harshly,
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Speaker 1: because I think it was his way. I mean, we
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Speaker 1: were going through the whole murder and what happened, and
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Speaker 1: how excited she was about her wedding, and I think
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Speaker 1: he was just that was his way of dealing with
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Speaker 1: our content.
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Speaker 9: Joscott, you know, I've made, as I've told you before,
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Speaker 9: I've made probably in person, over two thousand death notifications
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Speaker 9: over the course of my career. I've seen people break
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Speaker 9: out in hysterical laughter when when I've notified them. And
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Speaker 9: you know, I don't like the term defense mechanism. It's
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Speaker 9: a reactionary thing though they don't know what to do
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Speaker 9: with these emotions at well up. And I can only
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Speaker 9: imagine in this particular case, where the family is is
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Speaker 9: actually you know, essentially hitting the chest with a ten
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Speaker 9: pound sledgehammer when they're made aware that there is apparently
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Speaker 9: a viper living among them. And I mean that in
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Speaker 9: the purest sense, because this guy was poisoned, Nancy. And
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Speaker 9: you know, in forensics, it's hard, particularly when you talk
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Speaker 9: about drug chemistries, for people to kind of grasp some numbers.
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Speaker 9: Just let me throw something out to you real quick. Okay,
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Speaker 9: if you if we go to the store and we
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Speaker 9: buy talanol, all right, talanol comes in like three hundred
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Speaker 9: and twenty five milligram tablets, right, and some people look
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Speaker 9: at him say, go, that's like a horse bill. You know,
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Speaker 9: you took this thing down. He was dosed with fentanyl,
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Speaker 9: a lethal dosage of fentanyl. Nancy. Now get this what
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Speaker 9: I say about talanol three hundred twenty five milligrams, right,
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Speaker 9: Fentanyl two milligrams is lethal. He was given ten times
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Speaker 9: out of mount I mean five times out of mount
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Speaker 9: per the medical examiner, and the medical examiner also determined.
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Speaker 9: Now I find this very intriguing. You know, fentanyl is
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Speaker 9: a Schedule too drug. You can actually be prescribed fentanyl,
21:56
Speaker 9: but he determined the medical examiner determined that it was
21:59
Speaker 9: actually illicit fentanyl.
22:01
Speaker 1: Hey, before you go one more step, I've got a
22:04
Speaker 1: question right there.
22:05
Speaker 6: Yeah.
22:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew that they had determined that this huge
22:08
Speaker 1: fentanyl overdose that he received, we think in a Moscow
22:11
Speaker 1: mule that she prepared for him, But I knew they
22:15
Speaker 1: could determine that it was illicit. In other words, illegal
22:17
Speaker 1: fentanyl was supposed to like a pain patch or appeal
22:21
Speaker 1: that you get pursued to a doctor's prescription and you
22:24
Speaker 1: pick it up at the pharmacy. How can you look
22:27
Speaker 1: at it under a micro Well, they don't have a
22:30
Speaker 1: microscope there. Weuld get of the pill itself. They had
22:33
Speaker 1: to extract it from his body. How can you look
22:37
Speaker 1: at it and tell when you're looking at let's just
22:40
Speaker 1: say blood and say this is illegal fentanyl as supposed
22:44
Speaker 1: to prescribed fentanyl.
22:45
Speaker 9: Let's say let's say that the illicit fentanyl, the illegal fentanyl,
22:50
Speaker 9: was created in a lab and it was made in
22:52
Speaker 9: tablet form, which many times it is, and it can
22:55
Speaker 9: be in a liquid form too, but in a tablet
22:57
Speaker 9: form when it's made in an hour actual legitimate pharmaceutical environment.
23:03
Speaker 9: When they make the tablets, it's not pure fentanyl. It's
23:06
Speaker 9: just like it's not pure talinol. They're binders in there,
23:08
Speaker 9: and there are certain chemical signatures that you look for.
23:11
Speaker 1: When you say a binder, you mean like baking soda
23:15
Speaker 1: or something like that to hold it together.
23:16
Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly. You know, we've we've had all kinds of
23:18
Speaker 9: things over the years, Nancy. I mean people would cut drugs,
23:21
Speaker 9: for instance, with like talcum powder, baby formula. Quinine has
23:26
Speaker 9: been around for years and years. So if you get
23:28
Speaker 9: these kind of weirdo, you know, signatures, chemical signatures, they're thinking, Okay,
23:32
Speaker 9: we see the molecule for which which fentyl is a
23:36
Speaker 9: synthetic opioid. You know, you think about heroin, which is
23:39
Speaker 9: kind of naturally occurring, comes from the poppy plant. This
23:41
Speaker 9: is something that synthesized, it's made in the lap. So
23:44
Speaker 9: you're looking at this and you're thinking, oh my gosh,
23:47
Speaker 9: you know this is something we see the the synthetic
23:50
Speaker 9: molecule there, but there's all these weirdo attachments that are
23:54
Speaker 9: there that shouldn't be there.
23:55
Speaker 1: So they can pick up those molecules. Even though they're
23:59
Speaker 1: extracting the toxin from blood, they get some blood or
24:03
Speaker 1: stomach contents.
24:04
Speaker 9: Uh, they're not well, not just that urine is a
24:07
Speaker 9: fantastic sample to pull this from when we're looking for opioids.
24:12
Speaker 9: You know, any kind of whether synthetic or naturally occurring,
24:16
Speaker 9: and stomach contents are good and you know, with people
24:20
Speaker 9: might not know this, but when you're at autopsy and
24:23
Speaker 9: you open up the body, it's something if anybody's ever
24:26
Speaker 9: smelled someone in the morning after they've had a big
24:29
Speaker 9: drunk on the night before. You can smell alcohol on
24:32
Speaker 9: that person when you open up the body. If they
24:34
Speaker 9: have alcohol board, even if it's just a slight amount,
24:37
Speaker 9: it'll knock you to your knees. Many times. At autopsy,
24:39
Speaker 9: you know that alcohol's there, and within the stomach content,
24:43
Speaker 9: you can actually pull out a sample of that. You
24:47
Speaker 9: can spin it down, and you can actually test that substance.
24:50
Speaker 9: And sometimes that's the only thing we have to hang
24:52
Speaker 9: our hat on.
24:52
Speaker 1: Well, you say spin it down, you mean separate the
24:55
Speaker 1: urine from the toxin.
24:56
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, yeah, no, I'm referring to the gastric content.
24:59
Speaker 9: So you to kind of separate.
25:01
Speaker 1: Spin it down means you separate the gas contents. Yeah,
25:04
Speaker 1: liquid from the toxic.
25:06
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so that's what they'll do in
25:08
Speaker 9: the laboratory. And there's there's any number of ways we
25:10
Speaker 9: can go. And here's one more fascinating thing. I'll shut
25:12
Speaker 9: my mouth.
25:13
Speaker 2: Now, please don't. It is actually fascinating.
25:15
Speaker 9: If they drew, If they drew vitreous fluid, which you
25:18
Speaker 9: know we always do from the eye. Vitreous fluid is
25:22
Speaker 9: very non specific. It's like looking at the rings on
25:25
Speaker 9: a tree. You know, you can kind of get an
25:27
Speaker 9: idea when there were drought, when there's a drought and
25:29
Speaker 9: there's a rainy year, and that's where think if you
25:31
Speaker 9: look at that analogy with virtuous fluid, you get a
25:35
Speaker 9: qualifying amount. You say, Okay, well something has been here before,
25:40
Speaker 9: all right. If they drew virtuous fluid, I'd be really
25:43
Speaker 9: interested to see if they found it, because it takes
25:45
Speaker 9: a lot longer for it to kind of settle into
25:48
Speaker 9: the vitreous virtuous layer. I'd be very curious if they
25:51
Speaker 9: found it in there, which would give you an idea.
25:55
Speaker 9: You know, Karen mentioned a moment ago that he had
25:57
Speaker 9: been dosed before, and that was on I think the
26:01
Speaker 9: February fourteenth. She fixed him a sandwich. And what was interesting,
26:05
Speaker 9: you know, how you reacted to that means he had
26:07
Speaker 9: difficulty breathing, which is something that you see with opioid ods.
26:12
Speaker 9: You know, they'll they'll become a congested, highly congested in
26:16
Speaker 9: the face. You'll have individuals that have difficulty breathing. He
26:20
Speaker 9: had difficulty breathing at that point time, but it kind
26:23
Speaker 9: of resolves. So you know, what if just what if
26:26
Speaker 9: that was a test run and then she said, Okay,
26:29
Speaker 9: well I gave him this amount this time, it didn't work,
26:31
Speaker 9: and by golly, I'm going to give him twice that
26:33
Speaker 9: amount this time, and that maybe what happened, you know, And.
26:36
Speaker 1: All I asked him, what did I add? I'm so
26:42
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the question was anymore. But
26:44
Speaker 1: I have another question for you, Joe, Scott Morgan, and
26:47
Speaker 1: for anybody else on this panel. The texts regard I'm
26:52
Speaker 1: back on the party. Yeah, I'm not letting it go.
26:55
Speaker 1: I want to find out when she texted her friends,
26:59
Speaker 1: what did she say in the text Some of those,
27:03
Speaker 1: if not all of them, were deleted, along with whomever
27:06
Speaker 1: she was texting during the night where she said her
27:10
Speaker 1: phone was plugged in in the bedroom with her husband
27:13
Speaker 1: and not being used and turned off. There was activity,
27:17
Speaker 1: the phone was moving, it was being locked and unlocked,
27:20
Speaker 1: and texts were sent and received throughout the evening.
27:24
Speaker 2: They're deleted. Here's the question.
27:27
Speaker 1: I know we can recover a lot of information from
27:31
Speaker 1: the cloud that stores all of your information.
27:36
Speaker 2: What about texts? Are they stored?
27:41
Speaker 1: Can we reconstruct the texts that she deleted? And it
27:46
Speaker 1: leads me to Jarrett Fiorentino veteran trial lawyer, guilty conscience.
27:53
Speaker 2: Again, I don't.
27:54
Speaker 1: Even know what I've ever deleted a text ever, because
27:57
Speaker 1: that requires time. But you don't have any of that.
28:00
Speaker 1: So why would she go to the trouble of deleting
28:03
Speaker 1: text and can I recover them?
28:05
Speaker 5: Well, a couple of things. She's lying about having the
28:07
Speaker 5: phone at the point, so she's definitely wanting to hide
28:11
Speaker 5: the fact that she was using her phone. If you
28:14
Speaker 5: delete texts, they are difficult to recover, believe it or not,
28:18
Speaker 5: They're not always recoverable. What I've done, and what's done
28:21
Speaker 5: in other investigations is you can reverse engineer this.
28:25
Speaker 1: The record will.
28:26
Speaker 5: Reveal who exactly she was texting. You can bet the
28:30
Speaker 5: investigators are going to follow up with those individuals and say, hey,
28:34
Speaker 5: we have a record that you were texting with Corey
28:38
Speaker 5: that night, show us the text and you can reverse
28:41
Speaker 5: engineer the conversation that way.
28:43
Speaker 1: What if they have deleted the text.
28:45
Speaker 5: If your only hope then, Nancy, is they're stored somewhere
28:49
Speaker 5: in the cloud or in the depths of the phone.
28:53
Speaker 5: And it's not always the case with text.
28:55
Speaker 1: See.
28:56
Speaker 5: The thing about a phone is it stores so much
28:58
Speaker 5: information and it's so crazy these cases that it's often
29:01
Speaker 5: being rewritten. It's just very hard to recreate that kind
29:06
Speaker 5: of data. It's just not because there are so many
29:09
Speaker 5: texts going back and forth, all of those records aren't
29:12
Speaker 5: maintained for an extended period of time. That's where you
29:14
Speaker 5: run into difficulty.
29:15
Speaker 1: Well, one thing that's interesting a lot of people are
29:18
Speaker 1: comparing this case to the Alex Murlock double murder, the
29:22
Speaker 1: legal heir in South Carolina that is now convicted of
29:25
Speaker 1: murdering wife Maggie and son Paul. Their texts, phone calls,
29:31
Speaker 1: even video scent around the time of the murders were
29:36
Speaker 1: used at trial, but they had not been deleted, which
29:40
Speaker 1: is very different from this case.
29:43
Speaker 6: Nancy, I don't want to interrupt you, but can I
29:45
Speaker 6: praise do?
29:46
Speaker 7: Okay?
29:46
Speaker 1: Yes.
29:47
Speaker 6: On the night that Eric died after she poised, After
29:51
Speaker 6: she allegedly poisoned him, she claimed her phone didn't move,
29:55
Speaker 6: that she'd know right there plugged in. They were able
29:58
Speaker 6: to prove obviously that it wasn't plugged in, that it
30:00
Speaker 6: was moving. It had been unlocked and unlocked several times
30:03
Speaker 6: during the time where she said she wasn't on it.
30:05
Speaker 6: What they did find is that she had been texting
30:08
Speaker 6: her best somebody they labeled the best friend who didn't
30:12
Speaker 6: live nearby, lived some ways away. She's called cl in
30:17
Speaker 6: some of the paperwork, and she actually had Corey had
30:22
Speaker 6: her friend that she was texting with that night delete
30:26
Speaker 6: their text messages, and that came up during the investigation.
30:30
Speaker 6: When this person admitted to police that she had been
30:34
Speaker 6: texting with Corey at that time of night, they said, hey,
30:37
Speaker 6: let us see the text. She pulls out her cellphone,
30:39
Speaker 6: hands it to him to go for it. All the
30:42
Speaker 6: texts between her and Corey were deleted. There were plenty
30:44
Speaker 6: of other texts on the phone, but her communication with
30:47
Speaker 6: Corey that night all deleted.
30:49
Speaker 1: Okay, I like it. Listen, always jump in, Dave mac.
30:53
Speaker 1: It's like when somebody calls the last minute and says
30:55
Speaker 1: they're coming to dinner. You go, oh great, I'll just
30:57
Speaker 1: add more water to the soup. Place. Just keep pouring
31:01
Speaker 1: it in, keep pouring it in, because every fact counts.
31:18
Speaker 2: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
31:22
Speaker 1: I want to point out another striking characteristic of the
31:28
Speaker 1: data analysis. I don't know if the name Richard Debate
31:33
Speaker 1: rings a bell, because I can never forget him. He
31:37
Speaker 1: murdered his wife he claimed that an unknown intruder masked.
31:41
Speaker 1: They're always masked. Remember Jody Area is Joskotte Morgan. She
31:45
Speaker 1: said that two masked ninjas broke into Travis Alexander's condo,
31:51
Speaker 1: murdered him and let her run free. Always a mask right,
31:55
Speaker 1: So in debates case, he says a masked ruder broke
32:01
Speaker 1: him and murdered his wife and basically did nothing to him. Okay,
32:10
Speaker 1: The fitbit data on the wife's watch showed her walking
32:15
Speaker 1: around the house long after he said she was dead,
32:21
Speaker 1: So his stories a lie. Then I analyzed a case.
32:25
Speaker 1: I think her name was Kelly Heron, Kelly Heron, and
32:31
Speaker 1: she was jogging in Seattle and fought off an attacker
32:36
Speaker 1: and all of the movements to corroborate her story were
32:41
Speaker 1: caught on her fitbit. It was amazing. Same thing here
32:46
Speaker 1: regarding the fund And I'm just wondering if she had
32:50
Speaker 1: a fitbit or an Apple watch, they could also corroborate
32:53
Speaker 1: the police theory that she was not asleep in her
32:56
Speaker 1: son's room down the hall, that she was back and
32:59
Speaker 1: forth moving. And we also saw in the Alex Murdoye
33:03
Speaker 1: prosecution how many times his phone was locked and unlocked,
33:08
Speaker 1: and we saw how many times even his door to
33:12
Speaker 1: his suburban vehicle were opened and closed based on NAB
33:17
Speaker 1: navigation data. It's amazing. So I expect that to be
33:21
Speaker 1: a huge part of this trial. But earlier Karen Stark
33:25
Speaker 1: brought up a fact that I find really convincing, and
33:29
Speaker 1: that fact is that very shortly after her husband's death,
33:33
Speaker 1: the wife in this case, Corey Richins, has a locksmith
33:38
Speaker 1: come and drill into her husband's safe. Now, a lot
33:44
Speaker 1: of women may be widows, be they male or female,
33:48
Speaker 1: may be thinking about, oh, my goodness, I've got to
33:52
Speaker 1: prepare the funeral, what is my spouse going to wear?
33:57
Speaker 1: How am I going to tell all the relatives what's happened?
34:00
Speaker 1: And I can't stand the thought of going through this.
34:04
Speaker 1: But Corey Richards was of a much sturdier ilk, and
34:09
Speaker 1: she thought to call a locksmith to come to the home.
34:12
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut thirty two our friends
34:14
Speaker 1: at ABC four.
34:15
Speaker 10: It's the case that just keeps unfolding. Corey has been
34:18
Speaker 10: charged with one count of aggravated murder and three counts
34:21
Speaker 10: of possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute.
34:24
Speaker 10: Here's what's been amended on those charges. We've now learned
34:28
Speaker 10: that after her husband Eric's death on March fourth, Corey
34:31
Speaker 10: hired a locksmith to open Eric's safe containing between one
34:34
Speaker 10: hundred and twenty five and one hundred.
34:35
Speaker 1: And sixty five thousand dollars.
34:37
Speaker 10: Eric's sister told Corey she didn't have the rights to
34:39
Speaker 10: those funds, resulting in Corey punching her. Eric also opened
34:43
Speaker 10: a living trust and placed the trust as his life
34:46
Speaker 10: insurance beneficiary instead of Corey. We also now know that
34:49
Speaker 10: Corey had purchased at least four life insurance policies on
34:53
Speaker 10: Eric richins with death benefits.
34:54
Speaker 1: Of over a million dollars. That has a lot of information.
35:00
Speaker 1: Us here one more time, our friends at ABC four.
35:03
Speaker 10: It's the case that just keeps unfolding. Corey has been
35:06
Speaker 10: charged with one count of aggravated murder and three counts
35:08
Speaker 10: of possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute.
35:12
Speaker 10: Here's what's been amended on those charges. We've now learned
35:15
Speaker 10: that after her husband Eric's death on March fourth, Corey
35:18
Speaker 10: hired a locksmith to open Eric's safe containing between one
35:21
Speaker 10: hundred and twenty five and one hundred and.
35:23
Speaker 1: Sixty five thousand dollars.
35:24
Speaker 10: Eric's sister told Corey she didn't have the rights to
35:27
Speaker 10: those funds, resulting in Corey punching her. Eric also opened
35:31
Speaker 10: a living trust and placed the trust as his life
35:33
Speaker 10: insurance beneficiary instead of Corey. We also now know that
35:37
Speaker 10: Corey had purchased at least four life insurance policies on
35:40
Speaker 10: Eric ritchins with death benefits of over a million dollars.
35:45
Speaker 1: Okay, this is what jumps out at me in a
35:48
Speaker 1: probative manner. In other words, can I use it to
35:50
Speaker 1: prove something at trial? Immediately following her husband's death, she's
35:55
Speaker 1: not planning the funeral, notifying relatives. She's hiring a locksmith
36:00
Speaker 1: to drill into her husband's safe to get out about
36:02
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty five thousand dollars in cash. Her
36:06
Speaker 1: husband's sister said, whoa wait, wait, you don't have a
36:10
Speaker 1: right to that money. And what does she do? She
36:15
Speaker 1: punches her sister in law, punches her, I believe in
36:19
Speaker 1: the face. We also learn that the deceased husband, Eric Richards,
36:25
Speaker 1: opened a living trust and placed the trust as his
36:30
Speaker 1: life insurance beneficiary to a sister, not his wife. We
36:37
Speaker 1: also know that the widow the merry widow Corey Richins,
36:43
Speaker 1: purchased four life insurance policies on her husband with death
36:48
Speaker 1: benefits millions of dollars. Okay, all of that is probative
36:54
Speaker 1: to Justin Boardman joining me former detective West Valley City PD,
37:00
Speaker 1: now running Boardman Training and consultant. And this is his jurisdiction.
37:06
Speaker 1: Which one of those do you want to take a
37:07
Speaker 1: crack at first?
37:09
Speaker 7: Wow? Probably the life insurance policy. You know, usually, and well,
37:17
Speaker 7: at least in my cases, I've had to have, like
37:24
Speaker 7: when I took out a life insurance policy on a
37:28
Speaker 7: wife or something like that, I've had to notify them
37:32
Speaker 7: that it was being done. And that doesn't seem like
37:37
Speaker 7: that was the case. So that's certainly something that sticks
37:40
Speaker 7: out to me.
37:42
Speaker 1: Right. In other words, her taking a life insurance policy
37:45
Speaker 1: and her husband was not unusual, but the fact that
37:49
Speaker 1: she took out four and failed to notify him as
37:53
Speaker 1: is customary suggests a nefarious motive. And I got to
37:58
Speaker 1: tell you this, Justin, if my husband takes out four
38:01
Speaker 1: brand new life insurance policies on me, I'm calling his mother,
38:06
Speaker 1: even if I had to do it through seance in
38:08
Speaker 1: reporting him. She's the only person he's ever been the
38:11
Speaker 1: least bit afraid of. So I'm gonna have to call
38:14
Speaker 1: for Heavenly aid on that for life insurance policies, and
38:18
Speaker 1: doesn't notify him because we see him changing the beneficiary
38:22
Speaker 1: from her to somebody else because he's afraid.
38:25
Speaker 7: Absolutely, and obviously he was thinking that this might this
38:30
Speaker 7: might turn into this homicide, you know, certainly like with Josh.
38:37
Speaker 1: Powell and Susan Susan Powell in.
38:40
Speaker 7: Case, I worked the outskirts of a little bit out
38:44
Speaker 7: of my former jurisdiction where she left a note saying
38:49
Speaker 7: that if I ended up dead, this is who probably
38:53
Speaker 7: did it, pointing to her husband.
38:56
Speaker 1: And he was never arrested for a murder and her
38:58
Speaker 1: body has never been found, so there's definitely a trail
39:03
Speaker 1: being left. I find the greed aspect overwhelming that she
39:09
Speaker 1: was hiring a locksmith while she could have been planning
39:14
Speaker 1: not a party, but gathering after the funeral, or her
39:18
Speaker 1: words at the funeral. Karen Stark, Well.
39:23
Speaker 3: It's not only that, Nancy, I mean, think think of
39:26
Speaker 3: everything that we're talking about. I mean, here she's attacking
39:31
Speaker 3: her sister in law for telling her.
39:33
Speaker 1: Now it's my next thing, Karen Stark. I believe you've
39:37
Speaker 1: met on the set a couple of times. My sister's
39:42
Speaker 1: in law, jan and Donna, and I got to tell
39:45
Speaker 1: you how blessed I was never a crossword ever. And
39:51
Speaker 1: this woman is punching the sister in law.
39:56
Speaker 3: The just picture that her husband is dead, she's supposed
40:01
Speaker 3: to be grieving, and just the idea of punching her
40:04
Speaker 3: sister in law when you don't actually see people walking
40:09
Speaker 3: around and punching their family in the face. And then
40:13
Speaker 3: none of that shows signs of someone who's distraught. There's
40:18
Speaker 3: nothing distraught about her. And one of the other things
40:23
Speaker 3: that she did, which hasn't been mentioned yet, Nancy, is
40:26
Speaker 3: that she changed his life insurance policies without him knowing
40:31
Speaker 3: that he was doing with his partner.
40:34
Speaker 1: And he finds out and changes it back. Right, he
40:37
Speaker 1: should have said a chill down his spine. But I'm
40:41
Speaker 1: back on okay. Two things. The hiring a locksmith. I
40:47
Speaker 1: mean she's not trying to find an organist for the wedding,
40:50
Speaker 1: I mean that organist for the funeral. Instead, she's hiring
40:54
Speaker 1: a locksmith to get that cash.
40:58
Speaker 3: You set a wedding for a reason, nance, Yeah, yeah,
41:01
Speaker 3: you're right. Your reason you made that mistakes. That's definitely
41:06
Speaker 3: a Freudian slipp It's because she was acting more like
41:09
Speaker 3: it was a celebration than it was the funeral.
41:12
Speaker 1: You're so right, Karen Stark. And you know, back to
41:15
Speaker 1: the timeline. I know nobody is taking the bait on
41:18
Speaker 1: my party theory. But what did she go to the
41:23
Speaker 1: liquor store and buy the booze and get the food ready?
41:28
Speaker 1: I mean, she's having a celebration. She might as well
41:32
Speaker 1: just dance across his grave.
41:35
Speaker 6: One of the things about the party aspect that has
41:38
Speaker 6: bothered me immenseally is who has friends that would come
41:42
Speaker 6: over and participate in a loud drinking party the day
41:46
Speaker 6: after their friend's husband died.
41:48
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, who do you think
41:51
Speaker 1: that Corey Richins is hanging out with nuns and priests
41:54
Speaker 1: and virgins? You know, I'm sure they were all on
41:56
Speaker 1: her side.
41:57
Speaker 9: Nancy. I have an idea who might be coming to
41:59
Speaker 9: that partar someone that is mentioned in these texts. It's
42:03
Speaker 9: rather cryptic and we don't know their name yet, but
42:06
Speaker 9: their initials are C. L. And that's the individual that
42:10
Speaker 9: supplied her with the fentanyl. And the police know who
42:13
Speaker 9: this individual is and so this transaction, and they they
42:18
Speaker 9: frame the transaction when she purchased these illicit substances from
42:23
Speaker 9: this individual as a hand to hand try and transaction.
42:27
Speaker 9: That's the way the police frame this. So I'm thinking,
42:31
Speaker 9: you know, going to you know, to your train of
42:33
Speaker 9: thought here, who's showing up? Who in the heck is
42:36
Speaker 9: she associating with in this world in which she endwelled?
42:40
Speaker 1: And Joe Scott Morgan, I'm very disappointed. I thought you
42:43
Speaker 1: party people at Jacksonville State University throw a party. Of course,
42:48
Speaker 1: you have to invite your dope dealer guys. If you
42:52
Speaker 1: have any information regarding the death, the painful death of
42:59
Speaker 1: the father of these three little boys, Eric Richards, please
43:05
Speaker 1: call four three, five, six one five thirty six hundred. Goodbye,
43:10
Speaker 1: said