Latest / Wrongful Conviction / #227 Jason Flom with Keith Washington
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- 0:03Speaker 1: Keith Washington was an Army lieutenant colonel, police officer, and
- 0:07Speaker 1: Homeland security official in Prince George's County, Maryland, when on
- 0:10Speaker 1: January twenty fourth, two thousand and seven, he was at
- 0:13Speaker 1: home having dinner with his wife and.
- 0:15Speaker 2: Daughter while waiting for a furniture delivery.
- 0:17Speaker 1: When the delivery men, Brandon Clark and Robert White, arrived,
- 0:21Speaker 1: Keith invited them into his home. However, when he found
- 0:24Speaker 1: White snooping around his daughter's bedroom.
- 0:27Speaker 2: He asked them to leave, but they wouldn't.
- 0:30Speaker 1: Overpowered by the two much larger men being kicked and
- 0:33Speaker 1: stomped on, he beared for his wife and daughter's lives.
- 0:36Speaker 2: As well as his own, so he shot the assailants.
- 0:39Speaker 1: Both were taken to the hospital, but only Robert White survived. White,
- 0:43Speaker 1: a twelve time convicted felon, fabricated a story that excused
- 0:47Speaker 1: him from what was just one in a string of
- 0:50Speaker 1: other home invasions. It's clear which way they should have
- 0:53Speaker 1: gone with The official corruption and misconduct the Prince George's
- 0:56Speaker 1: County is well documented, with the media frenzy that ensued
- 1:00Speaker 1: the prosecution team all jockey for ways to turn this
- 1:03Speaker 1: justifiable shooting into an opportunity for their own career advancement
- 1:07Speaker 1: with the appearance of upholding equal.
- 1:09Speaker 2: Standards of justice for those in law enforcement.
- 1:12Speaker 1: While the physical evidence from the investigation supported Keith's story
- 1:15Speaker 1: of self defense, they used the inconsistent story of a
- 1:19Speaker 1: career criminal to send an upstanding citizen away for forty
- 1:23Speaker 1: five years in prison. With the work of his legal team,
- 1:26Speaker 1: along with Georgetown University's making an ex honer reprogram, Keith
- 1:30Speaker 1: is finally home after thirteen years, while he continues to fight.
- 1:35Speaker 2: To clear his name.
- 1:37Speaker 1: This is Wrongful Conviction with Jason Flamm. Welcome back to
- 1:57Speaker 1: Wrongful Conviction. I'm your host, Jason Flam in today's episode. Well,
- 2:01Speaker 1: let me just say this before I even introduce our
- 2:03Speaker 1: two incredible guests today. Our producer, Connor Hall is an
- 2:07Speaker 1: excellent researcher. But when he sent me the research on
- 2:10Speaker 1: this case, and I was already familiar with the case,
- 2:14Speaker 1: but I read it twice and I went, now, there's
- 2:17Speaker 1: gotta be mistakes here. This can't be the way it is.
- 2:21Speaker 1: But it's all true, and you're going to hear the
- 2:23Speaker 1: story straight from the mouth of the person who lived it.
- 2:26Speaker 2: And I'm referring to Keith Washington.
- 2:29Speaker 1: Keith. I'm sorry you're here because of the reason that
- 2:32Speaker 1: you're here, but I'm very, very honored to have you
- 2:34Speaker 1: on the show today.
- 2:36Speaker 3: Well listen, Jason, thanks for having me. I'm more than
- 2:38Speaker 3: happy to be here. And with the help of a
- 2:40Speaker 3: lot of good people, including Marty, that's the reason I'm
- 2:43Speaker 3: here right now.
- 2:45Speaker 1: And speaking of Marty, Marty tank Left, my great friend
- 2:49Speaker 1: and personal hero, has been on the show several times. Actually,
- 2:53Speaker 1: his own story is harrowing as a story he can get.
- 2:56Speaker 1: He was wrongfully convicted of the murder of his parents,
- 3:00Speaker 1: served seventeen years in prison, and now but practicing attorney
- 3:03Speaker 1: and a co professor at Georgetown University. He teaches the
- 3:07Speaker 1: making an ex Houner reclass, which had everything to do
- 3:11Speaker 1: with helping to get mister Washington out of prison. And
- 3:15Speaker 1: Marty is now Keith Washington's attorney. It's a full circle story,
- 3:20Speaker 1: but it's not over yet. But anyway, Marty, it's so
- 3:23Speaker 1: fucking great to have you on the show in this role.
- 3:26Speaker 4: Thank you, Jason. It's always an honor and a pleasure
- 3:29Speaker 4: to come on the show as we continue the fight
- 3:32Speaker 4: for justice for so many individuals out there. And when
- 3:36Speaker 4: you hear Keith's story, I think people will just be floored.
- 3:40Speaker 1: I couldn't said it better. If this happened to Keith Washington,
- 3:44Speaker 1: who is the very definition of an American hero, then
- 3:48Speaker 1: it could happen to anyone. And when I say that,
- 3:52Speaker 1: Keith was a lieutenant colonel in the United States Army,
- 3:55Speaker 1: served over for twenty five years with honor, speaks five languages,
- 4:01Speaker 1: attended some of the foremost military schools in the country,
- 4:04Speaker 1: and everyone's lost count of how many awards and citations
- 4:07Speaker 1: he's received for his service to our country. Upon returning home,
- 4:13Speaker 1: Keith rose up in the ranks of the police department,
- 4:16Speaker 1: served as a police officer for seventeen years with distinction.
- 4:21Speaker 1: Never fired your weapon. I know that you were serving
- 4:24Speaker 1: as a homeland security official as well. And by the way,
- 4:28Speaker 1: when this happened, the father of a six year old
- 4:30Speaker 1: girl happily married. I mean, like, what am I missing here?
- 4:33Speaker 1: You almost sound too good to be true. What are
- 4:36Speaker 1: your flaws? Hey?
- 4:39Speaker 3: Listen, you know, I thank you for that introduction, and
- 4:42Speaker 3: I thank you for those comments. But I've just an
- 4:44Speaker 3: average guy that worked hard all his life and tried
- 4:47Speaker 3: to do the right thing.
- 4:48Speaker 1: So Keith tell us about your upgringing. You came from
- 4:51Speaker 1: a single mother, right, but give us a little bit
- 4:54Speaker 1: of the background if you don't mind.
- 4:55Speaker 3: Listen. I've had a job since I was thirteen years old.
- 4:58Speaker 3: My mother and father separated, and at that time I
- 5:01Speaker 3: became the man of the house, so to speak, and
- 5:03Speaker 3: so I had a paper route every morning from five
- 5:06Speaker 3: am on my bicycle. My mother and I sometimes in
- 5:10Speaker 3: the rain and the snow, whatever the conditions were, and
- 5:13Speaker 3: so about seven thirty eight o'clock in the morning we
- 5:15Speaker 3: finished and then I'd head off the school. At some
- 5:18Speaker 3: point in time, my mother suffered a serious illness. My
- 5:21Speaker 3: three sisters had to go live with relatives. My mother
- 5:24Speaker 3: spent five years in a mill institution, and so as
- 5:27Speaker 3: a sixteen year old kid, I was homeless and just
- 5:29Speaker 3: sleep in the car, still going to school though every morning.
- 5:33Speaker 3: At the end of my senior year, I saw a
- 5:35Speaker 3: couple of friends of mine. I asked where they're going,
- 5:38Speaker 3: and they said, hey, we're going to join the army.
- 5:40Speaker 3: Just that quickly, I said, I'm going with you. And
- 5:42Speaker 3: so I want to say that everything I've ever done
- 5:44Speaker 3: or acquired in my life, I owe it to the
- 5:47Speaker 3: army to the values they taught. It was the best
- 5:50Speaker 3: thing that could have happened to me. Ever, from that,
- 5:53Speaker 3: I grew into a man stationed over in Korea for
- 5:56Speaker 3: a year and a half as a teenager. When I
- 5:58Speaker 3: came back, I decided I wanted to go to college.
- 6:00Speaker 3: I went to college at Northwestern State University. I joined
- 6:03Speaker 3: an RTC program. I got commissioned as a second lieutenant.
- 6:06Speaker 3: After three and a half years in the Army, I
- 6:08Speaker 3: graduated and I was sit to Fort Benning, Georgia home
- 6:11Speaker 3: with the Infantry. Completed a few schools there, Airborne school
- 6:15Speaker 3: infratuy Offster, basic course, a giant f County School of
- 6:17Speaker 3: Special Warfare, few terrorism schools, and assigned in Special Operations Command.
- 6:22Speaker 3: I couldn't believe my life how within a short almost
- 6:24Speaker 3: ten year period had really changed based on the opportunities
- 6:29Speaker 3: that the military had provided me. Around nineteen ninety eleven
- 6:34Speaker 3: years later, I joined the police Department and Prince Georgia's
- 6:37Speaker 3: and ultimately after nine to eleven, based on my background,
- 6:41Speaker 3: I was selected to be a deputy director of Hoopman
- 6:43Speaker 3: Security for Prince George's County. And I was just willing
- 6:45Speaker 3: to do what it took to accompass whatever was before me.
- 6:49Speaker 1: It's an amazing story. I mean, you transcended and triumphed
- 6:53Speaker 1: over it tough circumstances. I'm not a strong enough way
- 6:56Speaker 1: of saying it. I mean, and you ended up giving
- 6:58Speaker 1: back as well, teering at the Cane River Children's Home.
- 7:02Speaker 1: I mean, it's really inspiring and it should have played
- 7:05Speaker 1: out in the way that you deserve, which was to
- 7:07Speaker 1: go on and have a happy, productive life and ultimately,
- 7:11Speaker 1: you know, retire and have a bunch of grandchildren maybe
- 7:14Speaker 1: and then you know, play some golf whatever. And then,
- 7:17Speaker 1: of course, as we know, and as Marty knows intimately
- 7:20Speaker 1: as well, everything can change in a second. And so
- 7:25Speaker 1: it did on January twenty fourth, two thousand and seven. Marty,
- 7:29Speaker 1: Can you take us through what happened that awful night?
- 7:33Speaker 3: Sure?
- 7:33Speaker 4: Absolutely so. To put it simply, Keith defended himself, his
- 7:37Speaker 4: wife and daughter, and tragically, instead of being labeled a hero,
- 7:41Speaker 4: he was treated like a criminal. To walk you through
- 7:43Speaker 4: what happened that day, Keith had taken the day all
- 7:46Speaker 4: from work to accept a furniture delivery from Marlow Furniture,
- 7:50Speaker 4: and he was home with his wife, Stacey and his
- 7:52Speaker 4: very young daughter Kayla. The day passed, still no furniture.
- 7:55Speaker 4: He called Marlowe. They assured him that the delivery would
- 7:58Speaker 4: arrive that night. Finally, during dinner, delivery men Brandon Clark
- 8:02Speaker 4: and Robert White arrived. These are furniture movers, some really
- 8:06Speaker 4: big guys. And it's a misnomer to call Robert White
- 8:09Speaker 4: a furniture mover to begin with, because he wasn't even
- 8:11Speaker 4: employed by Marla Fernture at all. Instead, he was Brandon
- 8:15Speaker 4: Clark's cousin. But the appearance was at that time he
- 8:18Speaker 4: worked for Mala. Furniture delivery was meant for the master
- 8:21Speaker 4: bedroom of the first floor, and at some point Keith
- 8:25Speaker 4: recognized that one of the men, Robert White, is not
- 8:28Speaker 4: with him anymore. And Keith was there and he can
- 8:31Speaker 4: give you more of the details.
- 8:33Speaker 3: Brandon Clark was distracting me while Robert White was in
- 8:37Speaker 3: my daughter's bedroom. I could hear the squeaking floorboards in
- 8:41Speaker 3: my daughter's bedroom because I know the sound of my house.
- 8:45Speaker 3: And I asked the guy, said where's your friend? And
- 8:47Speaker 3: he wouldn't answer, you know, he just kept giving me
- 8:50Speaker 3: a frivolous answer and tried to brush me off, And
- 8:53Speaker 3: so I look and I see him poke his head
- 8:55Speaker 3: out of my daughter's bedroom, and I said, what are
- 8:57Speaker 3: you doing in there? Come out of there? That way
- 9:00Speaker 3: comes out. So I walked toward him. I said, hey,
- 9:02Speaker 3: leave my house. You guys, get out of my house.
- 9:05Speaker 3: And as I got close enough to him, the other
- 9:08Speaker 3: guy punched me in the back of the head, and
- 9:11Speaker 3: then White attacked me from the side. So I'm fighting
- 9:14Speaker 3: two guys in my house, complete strangers, within three minutes
- 9:19Speaker 3: of entering my house. You know. We were on the ground,
- 9:21Speaker 3: on the floor, I should say, and the guy, Clark
- 9:24Speaker 3: was kicking me while I was on the floor. Clark
- 9:27Speaker 3: six foot eight, three hundred and thirty pounds and Robert
- 9:29Speaker 3: White six foot two, two hundred and eighty pounds, and
- 9:32Speaker 3: I'm five nine five, So he's attacking me like kicking me.
- 9:37Speaker 3: I pulled my service revolver, I fired, and I struck
- 9:41Speaker 3: both of them. The assault seased. Later Clark died and
- 9:45Speaker 3: Robert White lived.
- 9:47Speaker 1: And as I think about this story, and as a
- 9:49Speaker 1: father myself, I mean, and I think everybody can relate
- 9:53Speaker 1: to this. You would do anything to protect your kids,
- 9:56Speaker 1: We all would. And I'm trying to put myself in
- 9:58Speaker 1: your shoes at that moment, you're being brutally viciously attacked
- 10:02Speaker 1: right there in your own home, and your wife and
- 10:05Speaker 1: young daughter are right downstairs. These two men are beating
- 10:09Speaker 1: you like and they're winning because you had no shots. Combined,
- 10:12Speaker 1: they weighed four times as much as you did, and
- 10:16Speaker 1: they kicked you so hard that your watch broke, it
- 10:20Speaker 1: flew off of your wrist. I mean, this is a
- 10:22Speaker 1: life and death situation, and you had a grim choice
- 10:26Speaker 1: to make. Am I getting this right?
- 10:28Speaker 3: No, you're right. Listen, My wife and my six year
- 10:30Speaker 3: old daughter were home, and I knew that if I
- 10:33Speaker 3: didn't survive, who knows what would have happened it end.
- 10:37Speaker 3: Five minutes earlier, we were having dinner and just sitting around,
- 10:40Speaker 3: laughing and joking. And five minutes later, I'm wrestling two
- 10:44Speaker 3: strangers fighting two strangers on the floor in my own home.
- 10:48Speaker 3: That's how quickly this thing unfolded. I mean, it's a
- 10:51Speaker 3: heroine thought, but you're a drilline kicks in and you
- 10:54Speaker 3: do what you gotta do.
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- 11:51Speaker 1: men have been shot. Your wife is called nine one one,
- 11:54Speaker 1: and police and paramedics arrive. Eventually everyone's taken to the hospital.
- 11:59Speaker 1: What happened nowt.
- 12:00Speaker 3: So when they got to the hospital that night, I
- 12:02Speaker 3: guess about fifteen to twenty cops were there, Alan, the
- 12:05Speaker 3: detectives in charge of Homicide Division, and they were trying
- 12:09Speaker 3: to interview Robert White, and White played at the fifth amendment.
- 12:12Speaker 3: He refused to talk to the police, He refused to
- 12:14Speaker 3: give a statement, He refused to say what happened. Subsequently,
- 12:17Speaker 3: what we found out is that he did not work
- 12:21Speaker 3: for the French and delivery company and that he was
- 12:22Speaker 3: picked up on the side of the road by Clark
- 12:24Speaker 3: and brought to my house. Alan. A couple of other houses.
- 12:27Speaker 3: For the best I can tell, other people have said
- 12:30Speaker 3: that they were casing houses. White has several burglary convictions
- 12:34Speaker 3: and several convictions for fencing stolen property. So anyway, the
- 12:37Speaker 3: state's attorney was aware of all that information. Also, mister White,
- 12:41Speaker 3: as I said, pled the fifth and the state's attorney
- 12:44Speaker 3: in charge of the case, Glenn Ivy, informed the two
- 12:47Speaker 3: detectives at the hospital not to arrest Robert White under
- 12:50Speaker 3: any circumstances, out of the blue. That they had never
- 12:54Speaker 3: seen a sitting state's attorney, a sitting prosecutor come to
- 12:57Speaker 3: the hospital and till the police not to arrest a
- 13:01Speaker 3: career criminal, a suspect in a shooting, in an assault,
- 13:05Speaker 3: and they could leave, which they did after he informed
- 13:09Speaker 3: them that they were not to interview mister White or
- 13:12Speaker 3: even talk to him.
- 13:13Speaker 1: It's so so bizarre, I mean, because obviously Robert White
- 13:18Speaker 1: had a lot to gain, first by his silence and
- 13:22Speaker 1: then by lying, because if Keith was not guilty, then
- 13:25Speaker 1: he and Brandon Clarke were, which wouldn't be hard to
- 13:29Speaker 1: believe with White's twelve that's twelve previous convictions including assault
- 13:34Speaker 1: and battery, unlawful entry, larceny, grand largity, receiving stolen goods,
- 13:39Speaker 1: attempted third degree burglary, first degree burglary, pointing a firearm,
- 13:42Speaker 1: domestic violence, and first degree sexual assault, for which he
- 13:46Speaker 1: had served ten years. He also had over twenty additional
- 13:50Speaker 1: arrests for crimes ranging from peeping tom to attempted murder,
- 13:55Speaker 1: but the state's attorney, Glen Ivy, who eventually ran for Congress,
- 14:01Speaker 1: purposefully turned a blind eye to all of that and
- 14:05Speaker 1: instead focused on Keith.
- 14:07Speaker 4: They've trying to dig something up that they could use
- 14:08Speaker 4: against Keith, analyzing DNA fiber transfer, gunshot residue, spenshell, casing's
- 14:13Speaker 4: telephone records, nine one one, coal, and so much more.
- 14:17Speaker 4: All of the evidents, of course, didn't show them what
- 14:19Speaker 4: they were looking for, But what it did show was
- 14:22Speaker 4: that Keith had acted in self defense and Heath never
- 14:25Speaker 4: should have been charged.
- 14:26Speaker 1: And then, despite the clear nature of this incident, twelve
- 14:29Speaker 1: time convicted felon Robert White's flow of inconsistent statements, let
- 14:35Speaker 1: me rephraise that Robert White's flow of total bullshit went
- 14:40Speaker 1: totally unchecked. So they're just ignoring this career criminal who's
- 14:44Speaker 1: a real menace to society. And then here comes the kicker.
- 14:48Speaker 1: Robert White filed a civil action against you, Keith and
- 14:52Speaker 1: Prince George's county, seeking ready four hundred million dollars in
- 14:57Speaker 1: damages arising out of the shooting.
- 15:00Speaker 2: Wow.
- 15:01Speaker 1: It was dismissed, surprise, surprise, but not before garnering a
- 15:05Speaker 1: serious amount of media coverage. It also comes out later
- 15:08Speaker 1: that someone else had filed that hand fisted civil action
- 15:11Speaker 1: on White's behalf, perhaps someone who maybe wanted to draw
- 15:15Speaker 1: a ton of media coverage, like a person who wanted
- 15:19Speaker 1: to show what a bulwark of justice they were by
- 15:23Speaker 1: holding a decorated veteran law enforcement officer and Homeland security
- 15:27Speaker 1: official to account for what was alleged to be an
- 15:30Speaker 1: unjustified shooting. And by the way, if it were the
- 15:33Speaker 1: case that this was some trigger happy cop, I'd be
- 15:36Speaker 1: the first one to say justice should be applied equally.
- 15:39Speaker 1: But that's just not what this was, and they fucking
- 15:42Speaker 1: knew it. So this media attention ramps up to public pressure,
- 15:47Speaker 1: and the prosecution is aiming to score big political points
- 15:51Speaker 1: and advance their careers if they bring home the win.
- 15:55Speaker 1: And that's not me editorializing. Both prosecutors were overheard saying
- 16:01Speaker 1: things to that effect. And I'm talking about prosecutors Joseph
- 16:05Speaker 1: Wright and William Moumu, who had all the information and
- 16:09Speaker 1: evidence proving Keith's use of self defense, and yet they
- 16:13Speaker 1: still argued that the shootings were unprovoked and unjustified. The
- 16:17Speaker 1: state allowed Robert White to create his own version of events,
- 16:22Speaker 1: where Keith was unattacked, unprovoked, where you hadn't been stomped
- 16:27Speaker 1: on and kicked, where you hadn't exhausted all other options
- 16:31Speaker 1: before pulling out your service revolver. They used this testimony
- 16:35Speaker 1: that changed every time White recounted the incident, every time Keith,
- 16:40Speaker 1: Can you take us through some of the evidence that
- 16:42Speaker 1: should have ended this prosecution before it started.
- 16:45Speaker 3: They had the evidence. The lead investigator, Lieutenant Charlie Walls,
- 16:49Speaker 3: briefed them. He had the DNA evidence, the gunshot residue evidence,
- 16:53Speaker 3: the trace fiber evidence from the clothing. They said they
- 16:56Speaker 3: never touched me. Well, I said he was kicking me.
- 16:58Speaker 3: I was on the ground, He's kicking me. My shot him.
- 17:00Speaker 3: The clothing fiber evidence showed the fibers from my shirt
- 17:04Speaker 3: invest on his pants lid. So they had that evidence
- 17:08Speaker 3: that contradicted his statement. They had the gunshot residue. He
- 17:11Speaker 3: said that they were shot from across the room. The
- 17:12Speaker 3: gunshot residue test done by the ATF shure that he
- 17:16Speaker 3: was shot from three inches away three to twelve inches.
- 17:18Speaker 3: He said he shot from across the room. They reasured
- 17:20Speaker 3: the room and a minimum of eight feet which wouldn't
- 17:23Speaker 3: have left any gunshot resident. He said he called my house.
- 17:26Speaker 3: They had the phone records. They showed he never called
- 17:27Speaker 3: my house before they arrived. They said that he was
- 17:30Speaker 3: a delivery man for Marl's Furniture. Marlow's Furniture had given
- 17:33Speaker 3: them a statement the human resources director, Miss Kila Ross
- 17:37Speaker 3: that not only does he not work for them, that
- 17:39Speaker 3: they've never heard of him or never seen him, and
- 17:41Speaker 3: that Marvels would never hire sex offenders to work on
- 17:44Speaker 3: their delivery trucks because their insurance wouldn't cover. They had
- 17:47Speaker 3: the toxicology report that showed that he was on cocaine.
- 17:50Speaker 3: The two sets attorneys denied that the toxicology test was
- 17:53Speaker 3: ever even given on Robert White. They proffered to the court,
- 17:56Speaker 3: to the jury, and to the general public that he
- 17:58Speaker 3: was an employ of Marvel's Furniture, that he was not
- 18:01Speaker 3: a rest of sex offinity. All of these things in
- 18:03Speaker 3: Moore happened in my trial by these two prosecutors.
- 18:07Speaker 1: I mean, this is a litany of hers.
- 18:09Speaker 3: Right.
- 18:09Speaker 1: We have a prosecution team that is hell bent on
- 18:12Speaker 1: convicting an innocent man while protecting a guilty one, and
- 18:15Speaker 1: they had all of the evidence pointing to Keith's version
- 18:18Speaker 1: of the events, clearly contradicting what Robert White testified to.
- 18:22Speaker 1: White maintained that neither he nor Clark were close enough
- 18:25Speaker 1: to Keith to assault him when he shot them. Now,
- 18:29Speaker 1: we've mentioned the gunshot residue and what that meant, but
- 18:32Speaker 1: also White's DNA was found on Keith's gun, Clark's pifibers
- 18:37Speaker 1: were found on Keith's vest from when he was kicking him.
- 18:40Speaker 1: Neither of these things can happen from across the freaking room.
- 18:44Speaker 4: None of the spens shell casings recovered by technicians were
- 18:47Speaker 4: located even near the master bedroom, where Robert White said
- 18:51Speaker 4: Keith was allegedly standing when he shot them. Instead, the
- 18:56Speaker 4: casings were recovered from the middle of the ulpsters hallway
- 18:59Speaker 4: and whole bathroom, where Keith and States had maintained the
- 19:03Speaker 4: aultcation had taken.
- 19:04Speaker 1: Place, But the prosecution doubled down on the lie. Listen
- 19:08Speaker 1: to this. The prosecutors made thirty one false and misleading
- 19:12Speaker 1: statements throughout the trial that were objected to and sustained.
- 19:17Speaker 1: These were obviously meant to intentionally mislead throw off the jurors.
- 19:23Speaker 1: There were nine objections to statements made by prosecutor Joseph
- 19:26Speaker 1: Wright during his closing argument alone, including that Robert White
- 19:31Speaker 1: had only one conviction and that there was no cocaine
- 19:33Speaker 1: test given to Robert White. These were just straight up lies.
- 19:37Speaker 1: His criminal record and toxicology report were absolutely available, yet
- 19:43Speaker 1: the jury was not made aware of them. This is
- 19:46Speaker 1: just so nuts, it's so wrong. White had denied under
- 19:50Speaker 1: oath to the grand jury about being a sex offender,
- 19:54Speaker 1: which the prosecutors allowed him to do. The state's attorney
- 19:58Speaker 1: in charge of the case knew all of this. The prosecutor,
- 20:01Speaker 1: William Mumou later said, he said, we put Robert White
- 20:06Speaker 1: on the stand. He was a witness of ours. But
- 20:09Speaker 1: you'll never see me standing in front of a jury
- 20:12Speaker 1: saying that this witness says the truth.
- 20:15Speaker 2: Wow.
- 20:17Speaker 1: Are you fucking getting me with this shit? Wow? And certainly,
- 20:20Speaker 1: if the jury would have learned those things, it would
- 20:23Speaker 1: have had a real impact on the outcome of the trial.
- 20:27Speaker 1: But they didn't get to know these things. They weren't presented,
- 20:31Speaker 1: and these jurors were not mind readers. So for all
- 20:35Speaker 1: the jury knew Robert White and Brandon Clark, which is
- 20:38Speaker 1: two humble furniture delivery men who had the misfortune of
- 20:41Speaker 1: walking to the home of a trigger happy cop, a
- 20:45Speaker 1: trigger happy cop who had never used his gun before,
- 20:47Speaker 1: by the way, so let's not leave that out. And
- 20:50Speaker 1: on February thirteenth, two thousand and eight, clearly the prosecution's
- 20:54Speaker 1: lies and manipulations worked. The jury found you guilty, Keith.
- 20:59Speaker 1: And what was that very moment, like, I mean when
- 21:01Speaker 1: you when you heard the word guilty and then when
- 21:06Speaker 1: they sentence you to over two times the maximum sentence.
- 21:10Speaker 3: As it relates to the moment the jury came back
- 21:12Speaker 3: with the conviction. I watched my wife cry, I watched
- 21:15Speaker 3: my daughter cry. The guy put handcuffs on me. I
- 21:19Speaker 3: watched my sister cry. I watched a lot of friends
- 21:21Speaker 3: and relatives, you know, I felt bad for them. The
- 21:25Speaker 3: pre senced investigation came back with a minimum of five
- 21:28Speaker 3: years in a maximum of twenty years, and the judge
- 21:31Speaker 3: gave me a forty five year sentence. He went over
- 21:33Speaker 3: one hundred percent past the maximum sentence that was recommended,
- 21:36Speaker 3: and he went over nine hundred percent passed the minimum
- 21:39Speaker 3: sentence that was recommended, which was five years. And I
- 21:42Speaker 3: don't think anyone's ever receeen the forty five year sentence
- 21:45Speaker 3: for involuntary manslom. In prison, you're either a warl four sheep,
- 22:05Speaker 3: especially in the maximum security state prison. And so the fights,
- 22:09Speaker 3: the stabbings, the gangs, the deaths, the atrocious conditions, the
- 22:14Speaker 3: mental stress, the anxiety, you name it, and you know,
- 22:17Speaker 3: no matter what happens to me, I'm fine with what
- 22:19Speaker 3: happens to me. But I knew that my family was
- 22:21Speaker 3: gonna go through the fire with me, because when a
- 22:24Speaker 3: family member goes to prison, you know, in actuality, the
- 22:27Speaker 3: whole family goes to prison. Their life stops too. It
- 22:30Speaker 3: was my family that suffered. Listen. It was the worst
- 22:33Speaker 3: feeling I'd ever had, and I knew that I was
- 22:37Speaker 3: gonna fight like hell and get it out of prison.
- 22:40Speaker 3: Every minute, every second, every hour, every day that I
- 22:42Speaker 3: was just gonna fight. I didn't know anything else to do.
- 22:45Speaker 3: I was gonna work on my case I had twelve
- 22:47Speaker 3: volumes of transcripts, and so I talk to my wife
- 22:49Speaker 3: on the phone every day for about two years. I
- 22:52Speaker 3: would dictate Robert White's testimony to her over the phone
- 22:55Speaker 3: and she would type it. I would sit up at
- 22:58Speaker 3: night and go over his testimony, all the contradicting statements
- 23:01Speaker 3: and put them together out of those twelve volumes, which
- 23:03Speaker 3: was about almost twenty five hundred pages. And then we
- 23:06Speaker 3: put up a website after about two years of doing that,
- 23:08Speaker 3: because I wanted transparency in the case, to show people
- 23:11Speaker 3: that everything they said was false and that it was
- 23:14Speaker 3: intentionally false. There's two attorneys in the case, William MoU
- 23:17Speaker 3: Mal and Joseph Wright. We found out nine months after
- 23:20Speaker 3: my conviction they had hidden just tons of evidence and
- 23:24Speaker 3: lie about the evidence that their own witnesses, their own
- 23:26Speaker 3: state experts, had collected and given to them. Numerous people,
- 23:30Speaker 3: including states attorneys other prosecutors in that office, came forward
- 23:35Speaker 3: with statements that they had told their boss, Hey, they
- 23:38Speaker 3: falsified the evidence in mister Washington's case. They willingly manipulated, lied,
- 23:44Speaker 3: falsified the evidence, and that mister White is not telling
- 23:47Speaker 3: the truth on any of the issues. According to the physical, forensic,
- 23:50Speaker 3: and the scientific evidence. Mister Ivy, he told my wife
- 23:53Speaker 3: that I got a raw deal, but he told her
- 23:55Speaker 3: privately that there was nothing he would do because it
- 23:58Speaker 3: would affect his wife's political career with the time was
- 24:01Speaker 3: a state.
- 24:01Speaker 1: Delegate, Jesus Christ. And to add another insult to injury,
- 24:07Speaker 1: after you were wrongfully convicted, Robert White was arrested on
- 24:10Speaker 1: two more occasions for breaking into the homes of two
- 24:14Speaker 1: different women and physically assaulting both of them, which should
- 24:19Speaker 1: outrage all of us. These other incidents didn't have to happen,
- 24:23Speaker 1: and they wouldn't have happened. They had a guy who
- 24:27Speaker 1: you think that anyone in their position right should want
- 24:31Speaker 1: off the street, anyone would want him off the street,
- 24:35Speaker 1: but instead they chose you. I mean, why was doing
- 24:39Speaker 1: what they were supposed to do? Just not a cool
- 24:41Speaker 1: enough story? I mean, do you have any theories at
- 24:45Speaker 1: all on this?
- 24:46Speaker 3: Well, as near as we can tell, and I believe
- 24:48Speaker 3: we can factually prove and provide to the current States
- 24:51Speaker 3: Attorney that we have several officers of the court who
- 24:55Speaker 3: called my family and spoken with my family and they've
- 24:58Speaker 3: illuminated the moat for this case where mister Wright allegedly
- 25:03Speaker 3: bragged to several other attorneys where he and mister Moonmou
- 25:07Speaker 3: were promised for bringing back a conviction. Mister Wright was
- 25:10Speaker 3: promised a political endorsement to run for State's Attorney by
- 25:14Speaker 3: his boss, and that mister Mouvemou was promised to judge ship.
- 25:17Speaker 3: This is according to their colleagues in their very own office,
- 25:20Speaker 3: that mister Wright was bragging it he was going to
- 25:22Speaker 3: be the next States Attorney and he had to deliver
- 25:24Speaker 3: the Keith Washington conviction to do that. That his boss,
- 25:27Speaker 3: mister Ivy, used the case to run for Congress in
- 25:30Speaker 3: twenty ten, and that he was using this case as
- 25:32Speaker 3: he was tough on police corruption, and he ran for
- 25:34Speaker 3: Congress on that issue, using my case specifically. And he
- 25:37Speaker 3: even went to the police academy and spoke to numerous people,
- 25:42Speaker 3: including the cadets in the police academy about my case
- 25:45Speaker 3: in police corruption and used me as a whipping boy
- 25:47Speaker 3: while I was in prison. And so he ran in
- 25:50Speaker 3: twenty ten for Congress, he didn't win. He lost the primary.
- 25:53Speaker 3: Joseph Wright ran for State's Attorney in twenty ten, he
- 25:56Speaker 3: also lost, and Williamumou put in for his judge ship
- 26:00Speaker 3: and didn't get it. Now, a new administration came into
- 26:05Speaker 3: office in twenty ten, and so mister Ivy had to
- 26:08Speaker 3: fulfill his promises to those two guys, and he subsequently
- 26:12Speaker 3: got Mumau a job as an assistant US attorney. He
- 26:15Speaker 3: didn't get him his judge ship, but he got him
- 26:16Speaker 3: a job as assistant US attorney from what I'm told,
- 26:20Speaker 3: And they had mister Mumau's raise. An a States attorney
- 26:23Speaker 3: in Prince Rose's County made about fifty five thousand dollars
- 26:26Speaker 3: a year. I'm assuming assistant US attney makes about one
- 26:29Speaker 3: ten or one twenty somewhere around there as a GS
- 26:31Speaker 3: twelve or so there's a significant raise. And mister Wright
- 26:35Speaker 3: was given a judge ship in twenty ten, so his
- 26:38Speaker 3: salary went from fifty five thousand to about one point forty.
- 26:42Speaker 1: Holy actual fuck. I mean you're hearing this from the
- 26:46Speaker 1: people immediately around them who were directly involved in the case.
- 26:50Speaker 1: What about the investigators. I mean, they obviously knew that
- 26:53Speaker 1: this case was built on bullshitting lies as well, right.
- 26:57Speaker 3: Well, the lead investigator, Lieutenant Walls, he put on the
- 27:00Speaker 3: record that he attended at least three meetings where the
- 27:02Speaker 3: whole conversation between him and mister Wright and mister mumou
- 27:05Speaker 3: that all they talked about was falsifying the evidence before
- 27:09Speaker 3: the trial. Mister Wall says he wouldn't go along with it.
- 27:12Speaker 3: After the meeting, Joseph Wright fired him from the case
- 27:15Speaker 3: and told him to turn over his case files and
- 27:17Speaker 3: they have no further contact with the case. After he
- 27:19Speaker 3: had collected the DNA, he had collected the gunshot residue,
- 27:22Speaker 3: Walls had collected the statements of individuals and homeowners who
- 27:26Speaker 3: had saw injuries on me Later, the State's Attorney's office
- 27:30Speaker 3: came to him and offered him a job as an
- 27:33Speaker 3: investigator and said Attorney's Office that he could retire from
- 27:36Speaker 3: the police department, draw his pension, and come work for them,
- 27:39Speaker 3: Come work for the very people who just fired him
- 27:41Speaker 3: from the case. Wall says that he put in his
- 27:44Speaker 3: paperwork to retire from the police department and came back
- 27:47Speaker 3: and worked for the States Attorney's Office as an investigator,
- 27:49Speaker 3: obviously with a significant raise. And can draw your own conclusions,
- 27:53Speaker 3: but I would say it appears to be hush money,
- 27:56Speaker 3: And walso said it he'll tell anybody what actually happened
- 27:58Speaker 3: if he's subpoena and those questions. Another bit of good
- 28:02Speaker 3: news is that mister Wright is no longer a judge,
- 28:04Speaker 3: that he was convicted in twenty eighteen of perjury and
- 28:08Speaker 3: falsifying government documents by the Maryland Judicial Disability Board that
- 28:12Speaker 3: was clearly people with blind ambition winning a lie cheater
- 28:15Speaker 3: steal involved in my case.
- 28:18Speaker 1: Marty, in twenty twenty, your amazing students in the Making
- 28:22Speaker 1: Axannery program there at Georgetown investigated Keith's case and made
- 28:26Speaker 1: a brilliant short documentary about it, and we're going to
- 28:28Speaker 1: make sure to include a link for that in the bio.
- 28:31Speaker 1: And their hard work has made such a phenomenal impact
- 28:34Speaker 1: on this case and so many others. So, Marty, if
- 28:38Speaker 1: you could just summarize for us how it is that
- 28:40Speaker 1: Keith is sitting here with us on the show today.
- 28:43Speaker 4: After extensive litigation, a retired judge was brought on to
- 28:49Speaker 4: review Keith's entire matter. On May fourteenth of twenty twenty one,
- 28:56Speaker 4: everyone got together and a hearing for a modification of
- 29:00Speaker 4: Keith's sentence was conducted. Based on the totality of everything
- 29:05Speaker 4: at that time, and it almost broke it down to
- 29:09Speaker 4: time served within a few short weeks after the judge
- 29:13Speaker 4: issuing that opinion, Keith was freed. I was there when
- 29:18Speaker 4: Keith walked out. Keith, where were you an hour and
- 29:21Speaker 4: a half ago? And where are you right now?
- 29:24Speaker 3: An hour and a half ago. I was in an
- 29:26Speaker 3: apartment correction space had to free and now a home with.
- 29:31Speaker 4: My family And how's the field? States and Cale, I
- 29:34Speaker 4: have your husband and your dad home. It feels great.
- 29:36Speaker 1: It feels like I've been waiting on this for thirteen years.
- 29:41Speaker 1: And that right there is the sound of Keith freed
- 29:46Speaker 1: from prison, finally back with his family at his home.
- 29:50Speaker 2: It's it's a beautiful sound.
- 29:53Speaker 4: We sat around in his backyard and we had pizza
- 29:57Speaker 4: and lemonade and enjoying the f share and we were
- 30:01Speaker 4: just sitting there talking and at one point we kind
- 30:04Speaker 4: of just looked at each other like, was this real?
- 30:07Speaker 4: You're trying to fathom the reality that Keith had just
- 30:11Speaker 4: spent over thirteen years in prison and here we were
- 30:15Speaker 4: sitting in his backyard. There wasn't a bitterness about Keith,
- 30:19Speaker 4: about Stacy, you know, there was pure love and joy.
- 30:25Speaker 4: Keith and Stacy have said to myself, Mark and the
- 30:28Speaker 4: students who worked on Keith's case that if we're ever
- 30:32Speaker 4: in the neighborhood and we don't stop by, they'll be
- 30:35Speaker 4: offended because we are family to them. And I think
- 30:38Speaker 4: that is something that just demonstrates who Keith and Stacy are.
- 30:43Speaker 4: They are just truly genuine people. Their love is probably
- 30:48Speaker 4: stronger than ever. But even though Keith is free, the intentional,
- 30:54Speaker 4: wrongful conviction is still hanging over Keith's head, which it
- 30:58Speaker 4: shouldn't be.
- 31:00Speaker 1: Absolutely, and Keith, there's been news both a really long
- 31:03Speaker 1: time ago as well as more recently that should have
- 31:06Speaker 1: a positive effect I'm bringing about justice in your case.
- 31:08Speaker 1: We already mentioned that Robert White, just weeks after your
- 31:11Speaker 1: trial was arrested not once, but twice for breaking into
- 31:14Speaker 1: homes and physically assaulting two women. And then there's been
- 31:19Speaker 1: some more recent news.
- 31:20Speaker 3: A district court commissioner here in Maryland issued an arrest
- 31:23Speaker 3: warrant for Robert White for perjury in my criminal trial. Wow,
- 31:28Speaker 3: so there's a rest warrant out for him as we speak.
- 31:30Speaker 3: So hopefully this will facilitate the case being overturned. And
- 31:34Speaker 3: so now honest and reasonable and ethical people who are
- 31:37Speaker 3: reviewing the case and looking at it can see that
- 31:40Speaker 3: because there's no good explanation, legally or otherwise as to
- 31:44Speaker 3: how this happened. The current ST's attorney, Miss Brave Boy,
- 31:47Speaker 3: she reviewed the evidence and she saw that, hey, this
- 31:50Speaker 3: is an excessive sentence, to say the least, notwithstanding that
- 31:54Speaker 3: there are other issues as it relates to an integrity
- 31:56Speaker 3: of mister Washington's conviction. And so we believe they're going
- 31:59Speaker 3: to do the right thing. Shortly, you know, we'll turn it.
- 32:02Speaker 3: Due to the fact that mister White now has been
- 32:04Speaker 3: charged with perjury in my case, we can only be
- 32:06Speaker 3: hopeful that justice will prevail in an expeditious manner because
- 32:11Speaker 3: it's been thirteen years.
- 32:13Speaker 1: Yeah, I think justice is coming in your case. I'm
- 32:17Speaker 1: glad we're able to get the word out about it
- 32:20Speaker 1: through this podcast. We're going to be shouting it from
- 32:23Speaker 1: the rooftops. You've got an incredible team now, so I'm
- 32:27Speaker 1: sure many of our listeners are feeling the same way.
- 32:31Speaker 1: I'm feeling that this is outrageous even by the standards
- 32:34Speaker 1: of what we're used to hearing on the show, and
- 32:36Speaker 1: that they want to help if they can. Is there
- 32:39Speaker 1: a way that people can get involved?
- 32:41Speaker 2: What can people do?
- 32:42Speaker 1: And we'll link whatever it is in the bio, so
- 32:44Speaker 1: people can easily find it.
- 32:46Speaker 4: A few things the listeners can do is demand that
- 32:48Speaker 4: I use your brave Boy, meet with us and vindicate
- 32:52Speaker 4: keithan dismissed his conviction. I think people can support the
- 32:55Speaker 4: making an axionary program and anything Heith needs, because one
- 33:01Speaker 4: thing that I think we as a society fail to
- 33:05Speaker 4: really address and understand is that each year, innocent men
- 33:10Speaker 4: and women get released from prison by exoneration and they
- 33:15Speaker 4: connect with nothing. In many cases, there is literally no
- 33:21Speaker 4: programs available that help individuals reacclimate. If not for the
- 33:26Speaker 4: grace of God that some of those people that get
- 33:29Speaker 4: out have family and friends, I don't know what those
- 33:33Speaker 4: men and women would do. Imagine being locked up for
- 33:36Speaker 4: fifteen twenty years coming out and having nothing, no underwear,
- 33:42Speaker 4: no soap, no shampoo, no toothbrushes, no toothpaste. And I
- 33:46Speaker 4: think we as a society can do more. I think
- 33:50Speaker 4: the corporations of America can do more. Thankfully, Keith does
- 33:55Speaker 4: have an amazing wife and daughter, but not everyone is
- 33:59Speaker 4: lucky and fortunate to have that.
- 34:02Speaker 3: Well, I would ask people to go to the one
- 34:04Speaker 3: Innocentman dot org website and familiarize himself with the case
- 34:09Speaker 3: and the evidence and the facts, and as Marty said,
- 34:12Speaker 3: to call missus Brave Boy's office hand Upper Marlborough, Maryland
- 34:16Speaker 3: and implore her to go ahead and overturn the case.
- 34:20Speaker 3: The other thing, if you would, we'd like to give
- 34:22Speaker 3: Georgetown all the kudos that they deserve because they're doing
- 34:25Speaker 3: great work. Whatever we can do to support them, that's
- 34:28Speaker 3: what we're going to do.
- 34:29Speaker 4: On Keith's page one instant dot org, which was created
- 34:33Speaker 4: by the three students at Georgetown, there is a donate
- 34:37Speaker 4: button which links directly to Keith's go fundme page. Who
- 34:41Speaker 4: are the three students that worked on your case and
- 34:44Speaker 4: created the website? Because I know they are part of
- 34:46Speaker 4: your family.
- 34:47Speaker 3: Josh, Selene and Trevor.
- 34:50Speaker 1: All Right, Josh, Selene and Trevor shout out from the
- 34:53Speaker 1: Wrongful Conviction team and from the man himself or the
- 34:56Speaker 1: two men themselves and me doing the great work. I'm
- 35:01Speaker 1: really proud of all the kids in the Making Zannery program.
- 35:03Speaker 1: It's been a privilege for me to work with them
- 35:06Speaker 1: and lecture at the school and stuff. So with that,
- 35:09Speaker 1: we will now turn to the closing of the show,
- 35:12Speaker 1: which is called closing Arguments, And this is the part
- 35:15Speaker 1: of the show that I always look forward to. First
- 35:18Speaker 1: of all, thank you again Keith for your courage, for
- 35:21Speaker 1: your service, for being here with us to share your
- 35:24Speaker 1: incredible story. And of course, Marty Tank Live. What can
- 35:27Speaker 1: I say, Man, you just never cease to amaze me,
- 35:30Speaker 1: and I'm so proud to call you my friend, and
- 35:33Speaker 1: I really appreciate both of you being here. And now
- 35:35Speaker 1: closing arguments works like this. I turned my microphone off,
- 35:39Speaker 1: kick back in my chair, close my eyes, and just
- 35:42Speaker 1: listen to any final thoughts that you want to share. Marty,
- 35:47Speaker 1: Let's start with you and save Keith for the closing
- 35:51Speaker 1: of the closing arguments.
- 35:52Speaker 4: So for me, it's remarkable that I think back to
- 35:58Speaker 4: when I was sitting in the prison my self, serving
- 36:01Speaker 4: fifty years to life, and finally in two thousand and seven,
- 36:06Speaker 4: I was freed. And now it's twenty twenty one and
- 36:10Speaker 4: here I am an attorney after a professor at Georgetown
- 36:14Speaker 4: and to our law school, and I get to have
- 36:17Speaker 4: the opportunity to pay it forward and give people back
- 36:22Speaker 4: their lives. I thank Jason and I think the entire
- 36:26Speaker 4: Wrongful Deviction Team because it makes people understand the criminal
- 36:31Speaker 4: justice system in ways that people don't want to believe exist.
- 36:37Speaker 4: We wouldn't fully grasp how many problems our system has.
- 36:43Speaker 4: And Jason has been a blessing for the making an
- 36:47Speaker 4: exiguary program at Georgetown, and for that we are grateful.
- 36:52Speaker 4: And I would be remiss if I didn't say thank
- 36:55Speaker 4: you Mark, who's my partner in doing this at Georgetown,
- 36:59Speaker 4: Because with Mark and our amazing students, we are making
- 37:05Speaker 4: a difference in people's lives, and I think it's the
- 37:09Speaker 4: best thing that you can actually do. I'm always reminded
- 37:12Speaker 4: by something that Joseph Flahm told Jason Flahm, and that's
- 37:17Speaker 4: do something you love that leaves a lasting impression and
- 37:20Speaker 4: makes a difference. And if helping students get somebody out
- 37:25Speaker 4: of prison doesn't fulfill that mantra, not really sure what does.
- 37:30Speaker 3: Keith. I learned a long time ago that we all
- 37:34Speaker 3: have our crosses to bear. We all go through difficult times.
- 37:37Speaker 3: We're all based on certainty in our future. We all
- 37:40Speaker 3: fight for a better life for ourselves and our family,
- 37:43Speaker 3: and we all been hurt and wounded and abandoned. But
- 37:47Speaker 3: you can't give up. And I would tell people never
- 37:49Speaker 3: give up. You're only facing a challenge in your life
- 37:52Speaker 3: that other men have met, and so be of good courage,
- 37:56Speaker 3: be strong of character, and of will, have faith, do
- 37:59Speaker 3: what you must, love your family, love your life, beautify
- 38:02Speaker 3: your life. When people take your faith, they've really taken
- 38:06Speaker 3: everything that you possess. When they take your courage, they've
- 38:10Speaker 3: taken everything that you possess. So without faith and courage,
- 38:15Speaker 3: you're just an empty vessel. All I want to leave
- 38:17Speaker 3: people with is to know that there are people of
- 38:20Speaker 3: goodwill out there. There are people who are just, who
- 38:23Speaker 3: are honest, There are people who have integrity. There are
- 38:27Speaker 3: people who will fight for you because they believe in
- 38:31Speaker 3: what's right, and I want to applaud those people. We
- 38:34Speaker 3: are kindred spirits, and so wherever you find a person
- 38:38Speaker 3: like that, support them. Believe that they're going to support
- 38:41Speaker 3: you if I can help anyone, because I've been helped
- 38:45Speaker 3: in my life, this has taught me a valuable lesson.
- 38:47Speaker 3: No matter what myself and my family have gone through,
- 38:50Speaker 3: we want to be a light to others. I appreciate
- 38:54Speaker 3: everything that people at Georgetown have done Marty Mark Selene,
- 38:58Speaker 3: Josh Trevor. I appreciate the exoneration program. Listen, I appreciate you, Jason.
- 39:03Speaker 3: I appreciate your podcast. I just want to leave the
- 39:06Speaker 3: people who are listening to your program with something to
- 39:09Speaker 3: think about. You are what makes this country great, all
- 39:12Speaker 3: of us, and so if there's a deficit somewhere, it's
- 39:15Speaker 3: up to us to fix it no matter where we
- 39:17Speaker 3: find it, and try to leave a better place, a
- 39:20Speaker 3: better country, a better society for the next generation. My
- 39:24Speaker 3: wounds will heal, and so we'll use this as a
- 39:27Speaker 3: lesson to be remembered and learned, and we're going to
- 39:30Speaker 3: build from there. I thank you guys for the platform.
- 39:34Speaker 3: I thank you for supporting our calls, and we'll see
- 39:37Speaker 3: you around the water cooler.
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