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Epic show down! Male feminists vs Female anti-feminists Part 2! | Maintaining Frame 47 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian.
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  I am here with the Bousse Allison and we are doing another episode of Maintaining
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  Frame. This is number forty seven with the male feminist versus female Feminist,
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  but we're gonna be doing a different segment. The statement is, I believe
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  it's men need to be masculine to keep their families safe. And we'll see
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  what the male and female the male feminists and female anti feminists have to say
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  about that. But before we start, I guess Alison needs to say a
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  dot com, cow c A W M m um okay. But anyway,
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  so let's look at I got some. I don't know. Do you have
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  any thank yous that you wanna give? Um walk, we didn't stuff that
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  happened like over the weekend, Yeah, I think, Um, we didn't
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  get much over the weekend. We got ten dollars from silver Bullets, so
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  thank you silver bullet, Thank you silver bullet. Um. We had a
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  lot of activity in the super chows over the weekend, though, Yeah,
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  I see that. Let's go through this. Yeah, okay, so,
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  uh, I don't know if I did this one. I think I did,
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  but packs Max gives us ten dollars and says played against Sam. I
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  think it was a sound bite I played. I don't know which one it
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  was though. Sorry, I think I did play it though. Ethu Halenqua,
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  I hope I'm saying that right. Gives us one hundred dollars. Thank
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  you, Ethu Halenqua. I know have an applause button over here somewhere,
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  but that's okay, you can search for it. Let me look at this.
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  Um, No I had it, isn't it. I think it got
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  deleted or something. I'll just give him a wow and Owen Wilson Wow.
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  I think that's just about the same. Wow. Yeah, so um,
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  and he says, or one hundred or she. I don't know who this
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  like the gender. I wanted to start off apology. What was that?
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  Maybe the prognowns are cosmic. Yeah, maybe they have that. Their pronouns
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  are wow um, so Ethi says. I wanted to start off apologizing for
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  not supporting you this way too often, as my finances are unreliable for the
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  time being. However, what I really wanted to ask is whether you guys
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  know any good books, TV shows, or movies showing a good relationship between
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  the father and his children. Alternatively, if you know some literature again,
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  including video media about mentor characters essentially performing as fathers. Oh, there's so
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  much. Okay, A good recent one was that one with I think Tom
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  Hanks with the Robot Kid, teenager and the Dog. Is that recent?
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  Yeah, it's recent, it's recent. It was it was well, it
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  was a good movie. I'm not so sure if it fits the bill with
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  a mentor figure thing, but it did. It had a bit of that
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  quality to it. Yeah, and it's a real tear tear jerker too.
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  Oh yeah, you have to remember Robot movie. Yeah, that's kind of
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  I mean, it's pinch. Yeah. Oh that's weird. Yeah, and
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  uh so he has to teach this robe his I guess you could call it
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  a robot's son um, although you know how to survive and take care of
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  the dog, and it is it is. It is a sad movie,
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  but it's also very uplifting in a way. Um, never has a opening
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  a can of dog food been so dramatic, Yeah, says Ciska day Rat.
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  I don't know if that's what if he's trying to answer your question,
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  but other's and mentor characters. Oh, I'm I'm like, for some reason
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  blanking. But there was been, um, there have been some. Fifty
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  five wasn't bad, Like I know, they got panned by critics that did
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  not understand it at all because it was really about a man who lost his
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  daughter and took care of a of a girl on a hostile planet. They
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  were space colonists. And I think that a lot of the critics didn't like
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  it because I'm guessing they didn't understand the appeal. The appeal is, of
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  course, you know, that kind of paternal instinct and action. I thought
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  it was not bad, you know, I mean, it wasn't a hugely
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  complex movie. It was just survival horror. But I like the I like
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  the relationship between the two main characters, and that really is what matters in
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  my opinion with survival horror, is you care about the characters, um degree.
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  So I thought that was pretty good, Um thinking recently recently, Well,
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  this guy didn't ask for recently, but but it could be. It's
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  I think it'll be a bit of a challenge. Although I do think that
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  there are more films like that coming, you know, like coming out,
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  because when I think about movies that feature an adult and a child working together,
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  they they tend to be a little bit more like Leon the professional like
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  kind of creepy in a way instead of you know, like a straightforward like
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  father and child relationship. Yeah, that was a little bit on the edge
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  of unpleasant some more. I mean, the movie's entertaining, but some of
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  the stuff is I don't know, bit weird. Um you know, I
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  know, I know more, but for whatever reason, I'm drawing a blank.
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  Um. Yeah, yeah, let's let's come back to this. Maybe
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  we can figure out a good answer to it, or I can remember some
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  stuff once my I'm not pressuring my brain to brain to perform as it were.
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  There was this movie I can't remember the name of it came out like
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  in the eighties, I think, where this guy travels back in time and
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  meets his father. It's not Back to the Future. Um, it's another
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  one, but I can't remember the name of it. Okay, eighties movie
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  where my guy travels back in time to guy I travels back in time.
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  Yeah, I'm sorry. I think I think The Incredibles is pretty good.
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  Um, in my opinion, it's not it's about whole family grandmother or raped.
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  Huh. He isn't raped by his grandmother? Is he the guy who
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  travels back in time? Oh no, no, no, it's not like
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  I said, it's not back to the future. It's it's oh no,
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  but that didn't happen in Back to the Future that I remember, like an
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  eighties and nineties film that did that where the guy became his own grandfather,
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  except it was really really fucking really dark because his grandmother raped him at the
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  point of a gun. Yeah, but of course, you know it's played
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  off like ha ha ha, that's just that's just courtship. Like okay,
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  yeah, well, standard, I think you're really fall Um finding nemo if
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  you if like I don't know if you've ever seen that, but that's good.
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  Pixar was pretty like good about stuff like that, like back in the
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  day when they were starting out, you know, when they still had brad
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  byrd Um. So yeah, I mean those are just a couple that come
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  come to mind. Uh, A lot of it is. I don't know,
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  missus Dowfire, does that count? I mean that's a I think it's
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  a father that's looking he liked disguised himself as a woman so that he can
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  see his kids. So because his wife is keeping the kids from him,
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  I think do you remember that movie? Yes, I remember? This is
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  doubt Fire, come on, yeah, I mean I'm about this. It's
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  not bad. Yeah, yeah, it's it's I mean, it's a good
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  movie just for it is. But in terms of father and kid relationships,
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  yeah, I know, I'm trying to find something. I'm not even sure
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  why. It's why we're not where We're drawing a lot of blanks. This
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  is a really good question. Yeah, well I'll have to come back the
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  road. Yeah, that's a that's a good one. Although it's super super
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  nihilistic, so um, it's depressing, it is. But but but that's
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  the I think it makes that even more appealing. And you know what I'll
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  say for a video game, UM, play the very first, not the
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  fucking second one, but the first last of US is. Um, it's
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  very good. I wouldn't. I'm not going to say, go watch the
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  HBO show. I don't personally think that it measures up. I think they
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  change too many things. But yeah, the first the first last of US
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  game is great for that too. So all right, anyway, so thank
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  you Ethui for the donation, and we will come back to this later probably
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  something will come up. So uh comment on I made my husband quit porn
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  because it's cheating, gave us five dollars, and then they gave us another
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  five dollars and also left to comment. My comment got dropped. I said,
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  I suspect most men who watch porn are fantasizing themselves performing the act together
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  with their significant other. I joked it. It's sort of like an artist
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  drawing inspiration from others artwork. That's possible. I'll say that. Um,
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  what I think people miss about men enjoying porn is the thing that I think
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  is most exciting for men most of the time, is not the man's pleasure
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  but the woman's pleasure. That's why it focuses on her reaction, on her
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  ecstasy, because that's what men want to see in women, and that's what
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  men want. They want to be a part of that in a way.
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  So just my two cents, but that's what I think. So, yes,
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  the first last of us and then Tornell gave us five dollars yesterday and
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  also didn't leave a comment. I wonder, is there something wrong with the
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  comments? No, I think people are trying to leave comments, but nothing
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  has changed. So okay, I'm pretty sure. I mean, if the
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  comments are going through, I imagine what may have happened. Is they got
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  sticky fingers. Yeah, maybe well and maybe clicked it too quickly. Or
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  Tornell just wants to support us. Yeah, I mean, you know,
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  you don't have to say anything, but I want to make sure that you
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  like, if you wanted to say something, that you're able to. So
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  yeah, yeah, okay, So once again, if you want to send
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  us a comment during this show or after the show is over, you can
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  do so. I feed the Badger dot com slash just the tip we start.
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  Yes, let us away to the bat cave away, all right?
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  So all right, So we're gonna be looking at this next question. Hopefully
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  you guys should be able to hear this, so I'm gonna go ahead and
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  play it. Men need to be masculine to keep their families safe. I
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  don't know why, but it's echoing. I don't know what that is.
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  I hope that that's just right there for some reason, I don't know,
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  trying to see where that's coming from. Are they saying it's echoing? No,
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  I heard an echo. Of course, he's gonna step forward, look
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  at him. I think there's a reason why people love Ander Taine man,
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  whatever you think about him in regards to what's he's being accused of, which
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  he has not been proven. But that's neither here nor there. Men gravitated
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  toward that. Why because he's Can you hear that? Okay? Yeah,
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  I can hear it. Okay, I guess I'm only I'm getting an echo.
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  That's okay, I'm reading the captions. Anyways, spoke to me in
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  a sense of being a man, being a protector, and you have to
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  be in charge of all your faculties and think more critically. So those aspects
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  of masculinity appealed to men because men want to innately protect If I go on
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  a date and you take me out a date and we're going he's like,
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  no, I wouldn't, but that's okay. And you take me to a
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  dinner and you don't sit facing the door, I'm never going out on another
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  date with you, all right? Okay, interesting, weird, but okay,
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  never heard that. That sounds very eighteen hundreds to me. So yeah,
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  I mean she has a grain of truth. You know, there's there's
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  various kinds of ways that men can protect women, and I think there is
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  an element of instinct to it for women. You can do it financially,
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  you can do it socially, you can do it physically. I think it
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  varies on what the woman in particular wants um or is in need of.
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  So I would say that she's being honest. It's true. Yeah, I
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  think women are happier and feel more comfortable with men who can protect them.
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  Sure, I wish they didn't turn around and say, bye, I I'm
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  so afraid. Well what do you think? Okay, if he's protecting you,
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  all right, then you have to. And here's the other thing is
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  that women who are too deep in this dynamic, they seem to flip from
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  protector to some kind of demon really easily, you know, if they're not,
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  if they're not a little bit on top of it. So and but
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  one thing I wanted to point out is like she she did she called him,
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  didn't she? She was like, yeah, of course he's coming over
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  because look at him. Yeah, there's an unexamined element in his ape brain
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  that that he probably denies exists. Yeah, there for why he looks the
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  way he does and walks and moves the way he does. You know why
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  he supports feminism the way he does. Yeah, it's all part of the
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  same thing. Feminism is the new way that men sacrifice something in order to
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  benefit women and protect women. And uh and he's he's all about that and
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  you can tell um. Yeah. So I just found it funny that she
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  she she she picked up on that pretty quickly. So despite being woo,
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  she does understand people to something. Yeah. No, she's she's like,
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  uh intuitive and you know, uh, And I'm okay with her being woo.
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  It gives her character. I guess that in the orange, the tomato
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  colored dress with the cleveage. Know, yeah, I wonder if I wonder
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  if she mean this there are this is not like women don't make mistakes,
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  like this is not an accident. I think that she was like, I'm
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  gonna dress like this and see how the male feminists react, you know.
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  So definitely like like it's it's an interesting combination of very highly sexual and also
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  really eccentric. Yeah, you know what I mean. Oh, for sure,
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  she looks like she was attacked by like a satin lufta. Yeah.
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  I think that she's some kind of counselor or therapist or something because she always
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  talks about like men that she works with, you know, and and their
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  problems and she tries to help them and all that. So anyway, yeah,
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  yeah, and I mean I guess it's not it seems sort of trivial,
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  but whatever. Yeah, I mean if she if she dated an unemployed
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  guy who sat by the door instead of her, who knows, I mean
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  whatever, people have their their reasons. Well, what I think she's saying
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  is is that you have to like the men should be facing the door,
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  wow, so the woman. Because men and women tend to sit across from
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  each other. The woman will be facing the man, but she will have
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  her back to the door, and the man should be facing the door,
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  because I guess in the event that somebody comes in to like shoot up the
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  place, I don't know what else it could be, he can he'll see
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  it first, and he'll be able to like put his body between the bullets
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  and her. I mean that's my guess. So certainly how they our German
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  shepherd sleeps during the day at the door, yeah yeah, or or like
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  Jojo, he's like he's laying down right behind me, facing the only way
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  to get into this room. And I mean that's what he does. So
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  yeah, that's kind of what she's expecting. And I guess, like,
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  if anything, I could only fault it for being kind of old fashioned.
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  Um, yeah, because I wouldn't, you know. That's that's like you
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  ever heard the thing where if a man and a woman are walking on a
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  sidewalk, um, the man should be on the side closest to the street
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  mm hmmm. And and in the event that, like you know, there's
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  a puddle and a car drives by or or something happens, some guy loses
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  control whatever and the man has bomb falls, Yeah, then he can.
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  He'll he'll get hit first. He'll let her note to you know, duck
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  and cover as he's disintegrating, you know, Okay, it's gonna like yeah,
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  he's just gonna be I'm just thinking, you know, our terrors are
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  a little bit more um cosmic at this point, aren't they. Yeah?
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  I guess not for most women. They don't really comprehend and geopolitics. Oh
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  man, that was misogynist. And then she'll catch fire and be like so
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  um, okay, let's keep going. It's not like we're helpless, like
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  I can't do anything. But having a man stand by you, protect you
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  and your family and your children. Masculindia is very important. There are situations
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  like, for example, like okay, wait, yeah right, so well
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  of course he's like, um, he's the he's he's he's going for the
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  feminist chad role. I think, yeah, he's alpha, alpha leite.
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  Overalls tend to be really competitive and competitive with other men, is what I've
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  noticed about this. You remember the original Jubilee male anti feminist versus male feminist.
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  Yeah, and the male feminists were almost like a curriculature of competitiveness and
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  competitiveness with other men. They might as ball just been like beating their chests,
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  whereas the male anti feminists were concerned about men, and you know,
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  they talked about how they things made them feel. I just found that,
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  didn't you just bund it hilarious. It was just a complete lack of self
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  awareness from the chest beating male feminists. Complete lack yeah, you know,
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  and and it was just and I'm not surprised. I'm surprised the other three
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  are like, no, it's not about protecting women. They probably still think
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  it is, but they don't want to insult women, you know, girl
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  bossing you know something, because they're the way that they protect women is from
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  the ether of contempt towards women's empowerment. That makes any sense. So it's
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  just the it's just the substrate that destroys women's empowerment, the vague radiation that
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  destroys women's faith in themselves, which is obviously not telling them them that they're
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  a victim of everything all the time everywhere, but it's something that they so
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  they so they are trying to protect women from thought forms. I'm I'm pretty
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  sure that that's why they feel excluded from this because their expertise in a protecting
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  women is from thoughts. They protect thoughts from thoughts of course. Okay,
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  all right, let's see what what alpha elite has to say thirty pounds.
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  My girlfriends liked F two, like, there's no way if somebody breaks in
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  the house that she's going to fight them off unless she has a gun on
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  her or something. But um so in that situation, I would be the
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  fill that masculine rule. But like anybody can be strong, anybody, Like
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  in a situation where I'm not there, I would hope if we had kids,
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  she could protect them and defend them like the best she could. Where
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  I get the issue if like, oh men need to be masculine, it's
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  like, oh men need to always go go work and bring the money and
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  all stuff. Because my girlfriend, she's highly educated, she actually makes way
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  more money than I do. Like I'm just pausing it there for the banana.
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  Okay, I feel like we've we've stacked the deck with the fem max
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  feminist maxer guy. You know some guy who's like, well, what I
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  mean is that there he's he's maximizing he's reproductive potential using feminism. Yeah,
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  yeah, which you know, maybe he should make seminars on that if it's
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  working for him, who knows. Okay, So he's got a girlfriend.
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  She makes more money than him and half his size. She's small. Yeah,
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  now, I you know, I honestly hope that that works for them.
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  Yes I do, I do, really do. I do. But
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  but um it might be a problem, Like she might she might becomes full.
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  You know that happens, and um that on the other hand, he,
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  like I said, he's feminist maxing, so he can at least sort
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  of guilt tripper about while you're not being very feminist if you leave me.
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  Yeah, I guess I could. But she is the woman, so that
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  might not matter. She could just say he's man's finding and then leave it.
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  Yeah, it's it's really hard to get some kind of moral leverage over
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  that over women when you're a guy. Okay, all right, um,
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  but some but like what I'm getting at is some male feminists actually seem to
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  manage to do that. They managed to get some moral leverage over women.
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  So that's what I meant by feminist maxing. Yeah, no, I get
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  it trans maxing, except with this just which is actually really really depressing in
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  a way. But you know, if it works for some individual men have
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  that, if you can manage to carve your a decent life doing this,
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  who am I to say no, well, yeah again, if you if
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  you're if you both agree this is like a good system and you think it
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  works great, but she's still just your girlfriend, like you know, Um,
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  I don't know if he's been planning to marry her. I don't know
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  if he's like not interested in that at all or what. But just saying
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  like this, this relationship that you're about to say is super successful may not
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  have been tested. Oh oh, but this is interesting. Notice how he's
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  standing up for his value proposition in his relationship. Yeah, he's standing up
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  for how he sees himself as more powerful than his woman and his relationship.
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  What a surprise, right, yeah, all right. He can't turn around
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  and say, hey, actually, maybe this is something that affects all men.
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  They may be trying to stand up or in the past tried to stand
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  up for what they felt made them desirable to women, like earning more,
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  having more access to the ability to earn, that kind of thing. Yep,
• 26:12
  that's interesting. He I wonder if he's even aware of that that he
• 26:17
  did that, because he's he's standing up for his value proposition, what he
• 26:21
  considers attractive in terms of hypergamy to his partner. Yeah, even if it's
• 26:25
  under an unsub subconscious level. Whereas as other guys, I'm guessing they don't
• 26:30
  see that as their value proposition to women. Again, their value proposition is
• 26:36
  to defend them from from thoughts, Yeah, bad thoughts. Okay, okay,
• 26:42
  let's keep going like way more. I work as a personal trainer.
• 26:45
  I don't make as much as she does. It is traditionally not a very
• 26:49
  masculine for a woman to make more money than a man. And I know
• 26:52
  some people they will be like, oh, you're not a real man.
• 26:56
  If you're a woman makes more money in you, that's pathetic. Why she?
• 26:59
  If you you you sound like a loser or things like that. And
• 27:02
  I don't let that define my masculinity. I used to be insecure about it,
• 27:04
  but now I've grown more mature and I feel like we're getting us to
• 27:07
  where that's less prole. Well, who who is it that's saying that a
• 27:12
  man that makes less than a woman is a loser? Is it? Men?
• 27:18
  It's women? Right? Like, if you want to change that,
• 27:22
  then you're going to have to change women's perspective on that. And I don't
• 27:27
  know how that's going to work, because what you have to do is you
• 27:30
  have to meddle with people's preferences, and that's that's just wrong. That's like,
• 27:37
  you know, that's like, uh, I don't know. That's like
• 27:40
  a straight man saying that lesbians have to have sex with him or or whatever.
• 27:45
  Right, So you're you're running up against a brick wall. So it's
• 27:48
  easy for you to point at men or patriarchy, which is basically men,
• 27:53
  and say, oh, it's because of you people that I you know,
• 27:59
  I'm called a loser because I make less than my girlfriend. No, it's
• 28:03
  women. Women are the ones that set the bar. Women are the ones
• 28:06
  that say, you know, how much they that men should make, how
• 28:10
  tall they have to be, how big their dick is, like, how
• 28:12
  much of a pack they got, like they go by all that. Okay,
• 28:17
  men are different standards, and I serious. I mean, I'll say
• 28:22
  that men do want to feel like they can provide, and that is a
• 28:26
  thing, But but it's because they know that they believe that if they don't,
• 28:32
  then the women will grow to resent them. And there's plenty of stories
• 28:34
  of women who divorce men because they didn't make enough. Well, the single
• 28:41
  biggest risk factor for divorce around the world is male unemployment. Period. Yeah,
• 28:45
  so this is a huge issue. It isn't. You can't blame the
• 28:51
  patriarchy. What you could blame the patriarchy for doing is in the past not
• 28:56
  letting women walk away the alleged patriarchy the of not letting women walk away from
• 29:03
  their partners when they were unemployed. But you can't blame the patriarchy for making
• 29:11
  women want men who earn more than them. It's just that's from women.
• 29:18
  That is them, that is their decision, that's their selection. And just
• 29:22
  like most mammals on the planet, most birds on the planet and most animals
• 29:26
  on the planet are defined by female mate choice to a degree, because there's
• 29:33
  also some male mate choice that happens too. It's not as clear cut as
• 29:37
  a lot of people make it out to be, but it is a huge
• 29:40
  it's a huge force. Maybe it's a bit less than a para bonding species
• 29:44
  like ours, but it still is there. Men are expected to engage in
• 29:49
  behaviors that make them attractive to women. In a healthy society allows for the
• 29:53
  largest number of men to become desirable to women, and and structures itself in
• 30:00
  such a way to make that happen. And I think that's you know,
• 30:03
  in some ways that's reasonable because you know, it's going to be a long
• 30:07
  time before we can successfully genetically engineer human beings to be completely androgynous, I
• 30:14
  guess, in their interests and their desires. So maybe what we should start
• 30:18
  with is simply recognizing that it is essential not just to men and women,
• 30:23
  but the functioning of our society. That our society actually you could almost look
• 30:27
  at a society being the means by which men make themselves attractive to women.
• 30:33
  So they develop the pro social status that makes women interested in them sexually and
• 30:40
  also socially. You see what I'm saying. So when men come together,
• 30:45
  they develop the skills, they develop the material wealth, they develop the culture,
• 30:51
  they develop the music, whatever, they develop things that make them attractive
• 30:53
  to women. And the sum total of all of that activity is what we
• 30:59
  term us society. And when society decides that it no longer has to attend
• 31:03
  to the things that create it, well that that that's not good, that's
• 31:10
  not that's not a society with the future. And also men are disenfranchised.
• 31:15
  But that requires I think thinking about these things on a lot of a lot
• 31:18
  deeper level. And I don't think this guy is at that level, I
• 31:23
  will say. Yeah. I also want to add though, he said he's
• 31:27
  a personal trainer, and I that sounds like it's not a bad job.
• 31:33
  And I looked it up and personal trainers make close to nineteen dollars an hour
• 31:37
  on average in California, which I'm pretty sure that's where this guy is because
• 31:42
  I think that's where this show is. Jubilee. Um, so he's not
• 31:48
  doing bad. That means that his girlfriend has, like, I don't know,
• 31:52
  some kind of cushy, Silicon Valley desk job or something. She's not
• 31:57
  working in foot locker, that's for sure. So just saying like that money
• 32:02
  isn't bad that he's making and you know, people can live within their means,
• 32:09
  even if its weird. That reminds me of a weird thing that I
• 32:14
  noticed in the mall when I went to Calgary. There were two foot lockers
• 32:17
  and one of the foot lockers was entirely staffed by women. Oh weird.
• 32:22
  Yeah, And they said it because oh, we want to make female customers.
• 32:25
  And I'm like, oh God, did I just walk back into Saudi
• 32:30
  Arabia. Stop that shit, stop it now. Yeah, Oh we don't.
• 32:35
  We're in the trans um anyway, Oh God, if you want to
• 32:43
  have this kind of strict segregation because you're terrified of men, then you literally
• 32:47
  cannot embrace trans rights. That's that's what we're seeing. That's what we're seeing
• 32:52
  lived out because especially not trans rights in terms of oh, if you just
• 32:59
  ideaify as a woman, will consider you a woman, or identify you as
• 33:01
  a non binary, then you'll be able to go into the women's like that.
• 33:06
  You can't because that's like creating a wall out of wicker, all right,
• 33:13
  you know, did the people will just go poke through it and it
• 33:16
  just won't work. And I'm not I'm not, like, I'm not on
• 33:21
  either side of this debate. Make it's ridiculous, Well, the trans debate
• 33:25
  keeping men out of women's or trans women out of women's face. I mean,
• 33:29
  I'm not involved in that either. I mean, like the you know,
• 33:30
  basically it was women that created this problem. So as far as I'm
• 33:36
  concerned, they can do it. All right, let's let's keep going.
• 33:39
  I think we're in a little bit in the reeds. Yeah, and like
• 33:43
  some people might disagree with this, and like, but it's just might mean
• 33:45
  I think, uh, to raise a son, it's easier if you're a
• 33:50
  man. It doesn't have to be a follower. It could be an uncle
• 33:52
  or some positive I'm telling you what I said that this guy is a feminist.
• 34:00
  Originally when I saw him, I said that this guy he may sound
• 34:04
  um like a woke, but I think he's he's feminist maxing. Yeah,
• 34:10
  well he did. He did come forward like the he was the I think
• 34:14
  he's the only male feminist that came forward on the men need to be masculin
• 34:17
  to keep their family safe thing, because obviously, like that's like that's kind
• 34:22
  of his identity thing. He's like maximizing um, his disposability in a way
• 34:30
  because he's saying I'm willing to write, I mean, does that make sense.
• 34:35
  Yeah, he's also saying things that would usually get him excommunicated by feminists,
• 34:38
  like, um, boys need male role models. Yeah you know,
• 34:43
  so I'm I'm I have a sense that this guy is using feminism for his
• 34:46
  own ends. Yeah sure, yeah, whatever. You know, like he's
• 34:51
  camouflaged himself. He's camouflaged himself expertly with the feminism. M Okay, it's
• 34:59
  a good way to look at okay with a positive feel along because like I
• 35:02
  don't know, it's like to be like a female puberty. But I was,
• 35:05
  I was a young man right now. A lot of our young men
• 35:07
  are misguided. A lot of them are making bad decisions. And it's because
• 35:09
  like a lot of these young we get this systoster and boost, their brains
• 35:13
  aren't fully developed and they, like the vast majority crimes are committed by sixteen
• 35:16
  to twenty three year olds. The reason I walked forward, yeah, really
• 35:20
  quick. Single moms too, single momsy No, that's way more important because
• 35:25
  the ship that's happening in our like big cities in the United States. It's
• 35:30
  not just because boys are hitting puberty, because that never happened historically, Okay,
• 35:36
  And it's not just like the no father or no father figure thing is
• 35:43
  a big part of it. It's it's it's a very big part of it.
• 35:45
  But the single mother thing is the other half of the same equation,
• 35:49
  you know. So, Okay, I just wanted to do a thank you
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  worth worth worth Okay of your charity. Okay, so let's keep going.
• 36:50
  Let's see what But yeah, single moms, that's like the thing that no
• 36:53
  one wants to bring up, and we we have to be the ones to
• 36:58
  do. It's about exactly what you just said. Men have these feelings and
• 37:02
  this aggression often deep inside them, and it's about using that aggression or those
• 37:07
  feelings that you have to protect rather than to inflict. I wouldn't call it
• 37:14
  aggression, no, I think that's what Actually what's really happening is men have
• 37:22
  what they call altruistic punishment. They haven't urge towards ultrach to punishment. What
• 37:28
  that means is is when someone defies the norms of a group and hurts members
• 37:32
  of it, men are more inclined to sacrifice to punish that person. So
• 37:37
  they will literally, they will literally treat themselves as expendable if they feel like
• 37:43
  someone is a danger to the group in order to punish them. It doesn't
• 37:45
  really have much to do with aggression. It has more to do with self
• 37:50
  sacrifice. Women actually are very aggressive when you take out the issue of self
• 38:00
  sacrifice. So, for example, they found that women make better drone pilots
• 38:06
  because they deal with the pressures of killing each killing other people better people don't.
• 38:10
  People are not apparently not aware of that, or it hasn't really sunk
• 38:14
  in. Women are better at murdering when they don't have to deal with any
• 38:21
  risk to themselves. They deal with the psychological issues around murdering better. They
• 38:28
  are much more capable apparently of pulling the trigger. So and I mean,
• 38:32
  you can even see that with what Russians found out with snipers. Female snipers
• 38:38
  they're a lot more ruthless. So it's really it's not men they're more aggressive.
• 38:44
  Women are more aggressive. It's men. They're more sacrificial of themselves in
• 38:46
  the pursuit of justice. So it makes sense from evolutionary standpoint too. I
• 38:55
  think, Yeah, so we understood this a while back. What was the
• 39:00
  forget who said it the female is more deadly than the male. Oh La
• 39:07
  heard that a bunch of times. But it will It was about how you
• 39:12
  just kill yourself before you get taken by the women of a tribe because they
• 39:15
  will make you suffer. Um. It's usually the in like a tribal setting,
• 39:22
  it's the women who are responsible for the torture, um and often the
• 39:25
  raping of prisoners. This is another thing. This is like the dark side
• 39:30
  that we don't talk about when it comes to women. And so she's wrong.
• 39:35
  It's not that men are more aggressive, it's that they're more self sacrificial
• 39:39
  and um, you know that's that's just the way it is. M takes
• 39:45
  a lot for men to become aggressive towards women. Usually it takes having been
• 39:52
  severely abused by one. Yeah, like if you if you want to see
• 39:55
  like the I think most aggression from men, especially young men, is it
• 40:01
  does come from uh, you know, abuse from their mothers and just not
• 40:07
  having someone there to like help them, you know, learn how to I
• 40:12
  don't want to say control, but like um to behave mention you know what
• 40:17
  you know what you know what I think it actually is it's that they don't
• 40:20
  have a father to protect them from their mother. This has nothing to do
• 40:24
  with like an innate aggression. It's that protect them from the other there,
• 40:29
  Yeah, protect them, protect them from their mother's violence, protect them or
• 40:32
  or make it so the woman doesn't the violence doesn't get to that point,
• 40:38
  you know, or the woman directs the violence at the father. That kind
• 40:43
  of Yeah, well, it's funny. It's funny you say that because I
• 40:49
  haven't had him on a while, but jesse Lee Peterson used to say that
• 40:52
  a lot. He said that, you know, you need a man in
• 40:54
  the home to protect their kids from the kids from their mother. And I
• 41:00
  don't think he's wrong. I mean, it's not It's not like if you
• 41:02
  have a well adjusted woman and a well adjusted man. I mean, that's
• 41:07
  not an issue that It's not the families we're talking about, Yeah, talking
• 41:09
  about families where the woman is violent, and in that kind of family,
• 41:15
  the father can often absorb her violence or redirect it or protect it, or
• 41:21
  at least contextualize it, you know. And a lot of dads who experience
• 41:27
  who deal with abusive wives, do you do that kind of thing? And
• 41:30
  then also I would imagine that the two parent house means that the woman is
• 41:35
  less stressed in the first place, so she's probably going to be less violent
• 41:37
  now. But the point is that it's not some inherent aggression, no,
• 41:44
  boys, it is the fact that well, just having a house acts like
• 41:52
  yeah, a bit of a stopper, right, just like nothing has to
• 41:54
  happen. It's just knowing that he's there, because then the women or the
• 42:00
  mother or the wife, whatever, if she might feel more secure because there's
• 42:05
  a man there. And I think that when women become fearful and they that's
• 42:10
  when they can be violent. There's a lot of like with women, a
• 42:15
  lot of the aggression comes out of fear, you know, So with the
• 42:20
  men in the house, there's probably less fear honestly, which at least less
• 42:24
  abuse and less stress. Like you know, it's a it can be like
• 42:34
  a vicious cycle, and it's like casting as versions on women. Um,
• 42:38
  this is just statistical truth. So if we're going to move forward as a
• 42:43
  species, we've got to be honest with ourselves and stop viewing women through this
• 42:47
  angelic lens that is one percent wrong, and viewing men through this demonic lens
• 42:52
  that's one hundred percent wrong. Yep. Anyway, well that's why again,
• 42:59
  somebody in the chest I just said, Meanwhile, society keeps saying it's the
• 43:01
  fathers who are more abusive than the mothers. That's just to keep us from
• 43:05
  talking about the mothers like it's yeah, and then people a lot of people
• 43:09
  buy into it. How can fathers be more abusive? Like, think about
• 43:15
  it. Logistically, yeah, most most single parent families are female lead yep,
• 43:21
  how is it possible that the it's not. And the other thing is
• 43:24
  that statistically you don't find that fathers are more abusive than mothers. Yep.
• 43:29
  My father was. He never I think he only spanked us once and it
• 43:34
  made him cry afterwards when I was like a teenager and um, but my
• 43:39
  mom she was quick and I'm not I'm not casting aspersions against my mother either,
• 43:45
  but she was just quicker to use force like the belt, um than
• 43:51
  my father was. He didn't want to do it, you know. So,
• 43:55
  and I think that my father did help, like my mom to curb
• 44:00
  that because he was there and he's basically like intervene and be like no,
• 44:04
  no, no, let's let's do this another way. So there's another form
• 44:07
  of abuse that I see women do a lot, which is parentifying their children,
• 44:10
  and I think that that might be there, there might be some incentive
• 44:15
  towards that. Like it's not a physical form of abuse, but it's a
• 44:19
  mental form of abuse where a single mother might force her son to take on
• 44:23
  the role of an adult man in providing and protecting for her, and the
• 44:30
  child is not ready for that kind of role, and it induces an insecurity
• 44:36
  and a form of like insecure aggression. So it's like, you know,
• 44:40
  this is not what the ultimate point is that she's saying that this is some
• 44:45
  kind of innate aggression. As far as I can tell, it isn't.
• 44:47
  No, it's not aggression. That's what they're referring it to. If you
• 44:53
  raise a boy and a two parent household without violence or kind of abuse,
• 45:00
  you are going to get a normal boy. He's not going to be an
• 45:05
  aggressive, violent kid. Like even if he's a sociopath, as long as
• 45:12
  he isn't motivated by abuse, for the most part, he'll just be a
• 45:17
  slightly ruthless character. You know. Yeah, he won't be violent, he
• 45:22
  won't be criminal. He might be drawn to the professions in which he can
• 45:28
  use that kind of lack of empathy to some good or gain status through it.
• 45:32
  But he's not going to be He's not gonna be violent. It takes
• 45:37
  abuse, and we need decouple this idea that that maleness is inherently aggressive from
• 45:46
  decouple it and recognize, no, it's just boys reflecting the abuse that they've
• 45:52
  received. Yep, yep, Okay, all right, let's see what the
• 45:55
  male feminists have to say about this. I guess I'm just not entirely sure
• 46:01
  what like just masculinity in general has to do with keeping people safe? Could
• 46:07
  I quit? Well, I mean you're trans man, so what you know.
• 46:14
  Not to dunk on you, but you probably haven't been doing this whole
• 46:17
  masculinity thing very long. The Ukraine friend, That's what it has to do
• 46:25
  the Ukraine friend. Yeah, yeah, Like conscription of every man with it
• 46:32
  between what was it like eighteen and fifty five to protect the country, that's
• 46:37
  what it has to do with it. It's not just that men are inclined
• 46:42
  towards these kinds of sacrifices, it's that they enforce them on each other.
• 46:46
  That's what masculinity has to do with it. I can't imagine, I mean,
• 46:52
  I can't imagine a world in which women enforce the expectation that they sacrifice
• 46:59
  for their society, for their country, for whatever, on each other,
• 47:05
  when that would just be the closest I can think of is Israel yep.
• 47:09
  Oh, yeah, there are women in the military. Yeah, I mean
• 47:15
  there probably there are, I know, but I don't know that they're doing
• 47:17
  the same work that men are doing. No, they're not doing the same
• 47:20
  work, but they're certainly doing more sacrifice than almost every other group of women
• 47:23
  on the plane, we'll put it that way. So, I mean,
• 47:27
  it's it's like, I can't imagine, can imagine a society in which women
• 47:30
  expected each other to die to protect their society. That would not look like
• 47:37
  our society. So, yes, it's associated with masculinity. I think it
• 47:40
  would make a much better society, but you know that's not the one that
• 47:45
  we deal with now. And and yeah, so that's an aspect of masculinity.
• 47:50
  They will, men will enforce this obligation of protection onto each other.
• 47:55
  And you know, we are at a point where this obligation of protection it
• 48:01
  feels like, well, I mean, they're protecting women against other men.
• 48:05
  Well, throughout most of human history that was against animals, dangerous animals,
• 48:09
  or whether or starvation. You know, like this is there's more out there.
• 48:15
  It's just because we've become the dominant life form and nothing really challenges us,
• 48:20
  except if you're in the wilderness areas and pits off a bear and the
• 48:24
  bear kills your family. But um, you know, like that that doesn't
• 48:28
  happen as much anymore, you know. But what I'm saying is it's not
• 48:35
  just that men are willing to sacrifice, it's that they're willing to sacrifice other
• 48:38
  men. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, let's see what this
• 48:44
  girl's going to say quickly respond and that I just think it's that men have
• 48:47
  that natural propensity towards it. If I think of roles in society that are
• 48:52
  protectors, we could say, police officers, anybody's going to take on that
• 48:57
  role of physical aggression in order to stop a bad situation from happening. Men
• 49:00
  tend to take those roles, and and if you just look at the demographics
• 49:05
  of those roles in particular, men choose to take that on and they persevere
• 49:08
  and drive for it. Right, Yeah, she's right. The other thing
• 49:15
  is is that like women are terrible cops, So like, okay, I'm
• 49:24
  this is the thing Okay, so we got more women in the police force,
• 49:29
  we have more women that are firefighters, we have more women in the
• 49:32
  military. But the problem is is that we have this like fantasy that women
• 49:39
  can do just as well, like they're characters in a fighting game that are
• 49:44
  just balanced, right, Like they just they have different advantages. But the
• 49:47
  reality is is that they alter them the requirements for women, they lower the
• 49:55
  bar so they can get in, and when they're really tested, they struggle.
• 50:00
  And I've seen lots of videos of female cops trying to um, trying
• 50:07
  to you know, hold down a suspect, a criminal whatever. And of
• 50:12
  course if they if they're men, which they usually are, they overpower them
• 50:15
  and they escape like every time. Because and again I'm not I'm not saying
• 50:21
  that like that no woman could ever do it. I'm saying that it's not
• 50:27
  like what we're trying to do, or at least what our institutions are trying
• 50:31
  to do to give women equal access is going to harm people like that.
• 50:38
  It's gonna harm that woman, It's gonna harm any people that she's trying to
• 50:43
  protect. Like my wife wanted to be a firefighter. Lindsay was like she
• 50:47
  and she was really fit. She went to the gym, she was like,
• 50:51
  I mean, she's a beast okay of a woman right now, And
• 50:54
  she couldn't pass the test because she had like other limitations, right, and
• 51:01
  she had to carry people like she was supposed to carry people. That's what
• 51:05
  firefighters do. So it's not just I mean, it is partly because that's
• 51:08
  the kind of stuff men want to do. When I was a kid,
• 51:10
  I wanted to be a cop, for example. I think that they find
• 51:14
  the idea of serving people, you know, ambulance drivers, paramedics, police,
• 51:21
  military, firefighters. They're they're drawn to it's romantic to them. And
• 51:25
  we used to celebrate that stuff too when men did it. But we've made
• 51:31
  it really hard to do that job because we've lowered the bar for women,
• 51:36
  like the criminals aren't going to lower the bar, right. So anyway,
• 51:39
  I'm just saying like women are less effective than just saying they are. So
• 51:45
  I'm going to make a counterpoint to that. Okay, I agree that there
• 51:50
  are lots of physical issues that women have in the context of all of this,
• 51:55
  however, and this is the one thing that actually makes me hesitate to
• 52:00
  get rid of female cops. If there's a man who's being abused by a
• 52:04
  woman, he's better off with a female cop. It's not We're not just
• 52:07
  dealing with male criminals. We're also dealing with the bullshit that female criminals engage
• 52:12
  with, and women see through that a lot quicker than men do, as
• 52:16
  long as they're not feminist, you know, as I told Karen and you
• 52:21
  like a couple like last month, I think the one thing that makes me
• 52:25
  hesitate about having women in any kind of capacity social capacity in terms of like
• 52:31
  the you know, the maintaining the edge of civility is feminism. If you
• 52:37
  got rid of that, I would say there would be a place for female
• 52:40
  cops, in particular making sure that male men are treated when they're up against
• 52:49
  female criminals, they aren't treated themselves like the criminal. And I think that
• 52:54
  that's valuable, but it has to come from recognizing that men and women have
• 52:58
  different strengths and abilities, like a woman can see straight through bullshit that other
• 53:05
  women do. It's why I think that feminists are so full of shit,
• 53:07
  because I know they know what they're doing, and I know they know what
• 53:09
  other women are doing, but they continue to lie for their own benefit.
• 53:15
  And women cops are able to see through that in a way that I don't
• 53:20
  think male cops are. And it's because men are primed to be concerned about
• 53:27
  women's safety and women's victimhood. And you know, you know, male cop
• 53:32
  and faced with a crying woman, now he's being basically manipulated and assaulted in
• 53:39
  a different way. Female cops gonna be like, yeah, fuck that lady,
• 53:44
  you know, still your tears, let's look at the evidence. Now.
• 53:47
  If we can be honest about the benefits and the detriments of women cops
• 53:53
  and also the difficulties of integrating men and women in these kind of scenarios,
• 53:58
  then that would be a block better in my opinion. Yeah, I think
• 54:01
  that. I think that women cops can play a role that is more suited,
• 54:08
  right, So, like if they're like taking reports or speaking with them
• 54:16
  the people involved in whatever the dispute is, and especially if it's a woman
• 54:22
  that's the aggressor, like a domestic violence situation. Yeah, I think a
• 54:28
  woman would be better because she would be able to see through the bullshit where
• 54:30
  men are not likely to because like you said, um, well here's the
• 54:36
  other thing really referring to, like the physical stuff. But I think,
• 54:39
  yeah, The other thing is that women set up these networks. Like the
• 54:46
  problem with eventually getting rid of crime is that it's almost like crime forms around
• 54:54
  women, if that makes sense. Like terrorists networks form around women. You
• 55:00
  noticed Antifa form around women. Yeah, they form the nucleus for these kind
• 55:05
  of the deterioration of these of the boundary between civility and incivility, and they
• 55:14
  justify it and they cement it. And I would honestly say, if we
• 55:19
  ever want to make any progress against these social ills, we'd probably be better
• 55:22
  off with women investigating this stuff and women breaking it apart. The nucleus is
• 55:28
  that these things form around the moles, the female gangsters, the female terrorists,
• 55:37
  you know, and that is going to be something that I think women
• 55:38
  would have to do. Um and then then that would be actually solving things
• 55:45
  on a much more fundamental, substrate level than what we're doing now, which
• 55:50
  is just managing it. But that's that that might be something just to cogitate
• 55:54
  on and think about, because it's maybe a complicated idea. So yeah,
• 56:00
  yeah, but again, yeah, like worth talking about. But I think
• 56:06
  that Amala is the black woman here. She's basically saying, like at the
• 56:09
  bottom of the At the end of the day, there are jobs that men
• 56:13
  are more likely to pursue, and there are jobs that women are more likely
• 56:17
  to pursue. And it would be nice if we saw a little bit more
• 56:21
  crossover because like, for example, you know, women dominate in education,
• 56:27
  and I'd like to see more male teachers. But the problem is is that
• 56:30
  I think that even when there are more, like, when there are men
• 56:32
  who want to be teachers, they have to deal with the stigma of being
• 56:37
  men essentially around children, because we already have this kind of like you know,
• 56:43
  threat narrative that if there are any you know, if there's if there
• 56:47
  is any predation on children, then it's men that are more likely to do
• 56:52
  it, and that's just not true. So but again one of those conversations
• 56:57
  that people are not having because it's uncomfortable. But I'd like to see more
• 57:01
  male teacher. My best teacher was a male teacher. So anyway, let's
• 57:07
  say, um, I get married to a guy and he wants to be
• 57:10
  a stay at home dad. That's fine. I enjoy working, so I
• 57:14
  actually wouldn't be totally opposed to me grabbing the gun if an intruder came in
• 57:20
  and being the one that kills somebody. If my husband's normally like the one
• 57:23
  protecting the kids, I guess I don't think it necessarily matters who's protecting the
• 57:29
  family. Just somebody must, all right, all right, So this is
• 57:35
  this is becoming these sort of confusing to people. I think. So I
• 57:40
  think that men naturally want to protect their families. I think it's an instinct
• 57:49
  and their women. However, I am at one hundred percent a post to
• 57:52
  obligating it. Yeah, and the expectation or alternatively, and the other thing
• 57:59
  I would really wish people would stop doing. And this is something I've noticed
• 58:04
  with conservatives as well, or even more maybe than feminists, is they keep
• 58:08
  insulting the modern generation of young men as being unmanly and not being able to
• 58:15
  do something like a World War One. It's like, dude, please,
• 58:20
  there was nothing that society could expect from young men or teach them to prepare
• 58:23
  them for World War One. They did it because the masculinity was inherent to
• 58:29
  them. This ability or this desire to put themselves in the path of danger
• 58:36
  to protect their society was innate to them. That's why it had That's why
• 58:42
  they could be exploited in that way to that degree. So stop saying that
• 58:45
  boys today are a math are somehow doing something to themselves to emasculate themselves.
• 58:54
  Yeah, what's actually happening is I'm pretty sure that since there was absolutely nothing
• 59:00
  that nineteenth century Britain, British society, or anything in the nineteenth century could
• 59:06
  do to get young men ready for that war, I think what's actually happening
• 59:09
  today is that there isn't any And you know what, it actually also happened
• 59:15
  then too, But there isn't any recognition from conservatives or feminists that masculinity is
• 59:21
  good. There's no recognition from feminists that masculinity is good. There's no recognition
• 59:27
  from conservatives that it's innate, but that goodness is innate to men. And
• 59:35
  how many times do men have to sacrifice themselves en mass so that society can
• 59:40
  continue to enjoy the prosperity that it does. How many times they have to
• 59:45
  do that before they get a break from being told, oh, you're so
• 59:49
  feckless and masculated and you don't like seriously, Yeah, we have tested masculinity
• 59:58
  how many times in the last century, you know, and in my opinion,
• 1:00:02
  it's always risen to the expectations of protecting society. Young men have always
• 1:00:09
  risen to that. And I guarantee that with the World War One generation,
• 1:00:14
  there was a bunch of old fogies talking about how modern age has emasculated the
• 1:00:19
  young men, and then they go and send them off to war, and
• 1:00:22
  they continue to talk about how modern age has emasculated the young men as they
• 1:00:27
  are standing up being thrown into a fucking meat grinder and steel hale, you
• 1:00:31
  know, And it's just sickening. And I bet they did that the same
• 1:00:35
  in the forties too, before we did it again. Look, get over
• 1:00:39
  yourselves. Young men are brave. Young men will sacrifice themselves for the betterment
• 1:00:45
  of society if we ask, if we demanded of them. Young Men are
• 1:00:50
  not the problem. What the problem is is that we are living in the
• 1:00:53
  shadow of an unexamined genocide, which was World War One, and we are
• 1:00:59
  are completely ill prepared to sam and how it happened, why it happened,
• 1:01:04
  the pressures that caused it, which include women shaming men, because we couldn't
• 1:01:07
  have done it without women shaming men into it, and then shaming the harm
• 1:01:13
  that was done to men afterwards, hiding it from view. We wouldn't have
• 1:01:17
  been able to do it. We wouldn't been able to stand ourselves. But
• 1:01:22
  that's the case, and now we're not examined. We're continuing to not examine
• 1:01:24
  the processes that make men expendable. And unfortunately, now we're at the place
• 1:01:30
  where we've made them so expendable. We've made their identity the very identity that
• 1:01:36
  allowed them to maintain this expendable which is which not the same as masculinity.
• 1:01:39
  It's simply saying, men, if you do this thing, society will in
• 1:01:45
  some way think that you're good for having done it. We're getting rid of
• 1:01:47
  that because we can't do that, because that would exclude women, you know,
• 1:01:52
  that would be insulting to women, you know. And now we are
• 1:01:55
  enjoying the fruits of that, this entire i'm examined mess that started well before
• 1:02:02
  any of us were born. Okay, it's true, it's true. I
• 1:02:09
  don't know what we're yelling about. Let us move on, all right,
• 1:02:15
  Let's move on. Like what you said about intuition, though, like my
• 1:02:17
  wife has a lot of intuition. I think she's better than me at like
• 1:02:22
  helping us avoid unsafe situations, but to physically combat a stranger that's at your
• 1:02:27
  door with a gun and masculine and is breaking in. Yeah, it's convenient
• 1:02:30
  to have someone who's more like him, But would you send your wife to
• 1:02:36
  use her intuitive powers to handle that to protect or would you use your masculine
• 1:02:40
  I'm my kid, is my daughter's protected. I'm going down if we get
• 1:02:44
  attacked. I'm gonna do everything I can to protect my exactly. Well,
• 1:02:47
  of course you are so like, what's there's nothing wrong with that? That
• 1:02:52
  is you're being masculine. Masculinity doesn't mean you know muscles and the ability to
• 1:02:58
  like lift heavy things like it's it's what you do. So you're problem.
• 1:03:04
  You're showing, you're telling us with your actions what you seem to disagree with
• 1:03:09
  in terms of Well, the problem is again they have a different concept of
• 1:03:14
  how to protect women. What this guy's doing is like, I want to
• 1:03:17
  protect women from feeling insulted by me being um me being praised as a man
• 1:03:24
  as a protector. Yeah, he doesn't want his wife to feel like she's
• 1:03:30
  less because he's able to confront when the reality is that, you know,
• 1:03:35
  it's more like he's the expendable one. That's why he's confronting. Yeah,
• 1:03:38
  but that's simply it. He's trying to protect women from the quote unquote insult
• 1:03:44
  of being lesser or seen as weaker, because that's, like I said,
• 1:03:47
  he is the one who protects the thoughts from the thoughts, like the dude
• 1:03:52
  with the muscles. He wants to be seen as the one who protects his
• 1:03:54
  wife from the things, not the thoughts. Ye. So this is just
• 1:03:59
  like two games, like, yeah, we protect the women from the thoughts,
• 1:04:02
  we protect the women from the things. And it's like, okay,
• 1:04:05
  but could we talk a little bit about protecting women and the necessity of this,
• 1:04:11
  especially when you're protecting women against imaginary upsets. Yeah, It's like what
• 1:04:17
  they're running off against is these these anti feminist women are basically just they're basically
• 1:04:23
  just trad con women. But that doesn't really make them much different from feminist
• 1:04:27
  women because they both all those women want men to sacrifice for them. One
• 1:04:31
  of them says thank you and the other one doesn't. But but these women
• 1:04:35
  are saying, actually, conservative women don't say thank you. Yeah, I
• 1:04:41
  guess not. They just simply say, oh, you're you're an awful human,
• 1:04:45
  you're an awful man. If you don't. Yeah, like maybe some
• 1:04:47
  conservative women say thank you, but I'm not seeing a lot of that lately.
• 1:04:51
  Well I don't know. I guess I had to be there when the
• 1:04:54
  chips are down. But what I was going to say is is that they're
• 1:04:58
  kind of like experience and seeing the logical consequence of things that they promoted.
• 1:05:04
  So when men start saying, well, I don't know, I mean,
• 1:05:08
  I wouldn't want to be sexist by protecting you, so you know, go
• 1:05:11
  go and protect yourself. And by the way, don't use a gun because
• 1:05:14
  I'm against the Second Amendment, you know, so do your best, all
• 1:05:17
  right. I believe in you, strong and powerful, feel empowered. And
• 1:05:21
  the women are like, no, I don't not like that, like you
• 1:05:25
  know, so this is kind of a mess that they made, you know,
• 1:05:30
  so um, but anyway, let's let's let's keep going. That's not
• 1:05:36
  men having to be masculine. I just think that's people protecting those they love.
• 1:05:42
  I can see what I'm saying. Women are putting in situations where they
• 1:05:44
  have to protect their families, they can exert tremendous force. Obviously they're more
• 1:05:48
  He's trying to protect women. Yeah, he's protecting women from thoughts. He's
• 1:05:55
  like, you know, men are the ones that are going to make a
• 1:06:00
  sacrifice and take a risk to protect their family. What a what a surprise
• 1:06:03
  that the reedy, quasi intellectual guy is like, my protection is better than
• 1:06:10
  your protection. I'm protecting women from the thoughts, the bad thoughts that other
• 1:06:16
  men project onto them, but that women cannot resist because they're not not weaker
• 1:06:21
  than me, but but weaker than me. Yeah, exactly, Like,
• 1:06:27
  I can't allow that women be insulted by the idea that men are more protective.
• 1:06:31
  I have to protect yon, lady fair. So I got a demonstrating
• 1:06:38
  example. I got a super chat from Albert at Ritu. I want to
• 1:06:41
  read it before I forget. He gives us five dollars and fifty cents Canadian
• 1:06:46
  and says, we could send Karen and two mannequins to debate Glorious Dynham,
• 1:06:50
  Katherine Spiller and Silky Shoals Shultz and Karen would still win, but that's why
• 1:06:57
  they would never talk to her or any of us. Never. Huh,
• 1:07:02
  No, they would never talk to any of us. No, no,
• 1:07:04
  because yes, we would probably annihilate them and I would probably start talking and
• 1:07:10
  they wouldn't understand what that hell? Yeah, what is this black speech?
• 1:07:15
  Are you summoning demons? Yeah? Well, um, all right, so
• 1:07:24
  let's keep going. But thank you for the super chat. Do you have
• 1:07:26
  any thank yous to give or anything like that? Oh? No, I
• 1:07:30
  should probably do it. Yeah, I'm not in the best arm twisting mood,
• 1:07:35
  to be honest, but okay, once again, feed the Badger dot
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• 1:07:43
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  just the tip very much appreciated. Okay, how much more do we have
• 1:08:09
  to this? Oh? It's almost over because like, uh, but like
• 1:08:15
  a minute left, less than a minute, so right, equically like as
• 1:08:20
  strong on average, right, But I just don't I don't think like this
• 1:08:25
  is something men have to do. I think you gotta be careful. Okay,
• 1:08:28
  that's a good point. Well, yeah, yeah, I think that's
• 1:08:31
  a competitive thing. I think the statement is men need to be masculine to
• 1:08:35
  keep their families safe. And I don't like the framing of that statement because,
• 1:08:42
  um, if we will go ahead that the framing is something like,
• 1:08:47
  well, men are masculine, that's why they keep their families safe. That's
• 1:08:51
  the framing I would use, and I can sort of. I have a
• 1:08:55
  little bit of sympathy for the feminist guy when he says, need to really
• 1:09:00
  mum, I but the problem is that my but I think he's going at
• 1:09:03
  it from Oh, I don't want to insult women by saying it's masculinity,
• 1:09:08
  yeah, because the assumption is that masculinity is better than feminine way in some
• 1:09:15
  way. Yeah yeah, but uh, I think that the thing is too
• 1:09:19
  is that like men have been beaten down by UH, by feminists, by
• 1:09:30
  academics, by the elites, by war by UH like plastics in our food,
• 1:09:38
  by soy, like, by by removing the fathers from a home.
• 1:09:43
  There's like all of these factors that have been you know, some of them
• 1:09:45
  much much more impactful. Some of them work slowly over time. If you
• 1:09:49
  don't believe me, look into phido estrogens, and like it's in a lot
• 1:09:54
  of stuff that we use and consume, and now they're they have lower testosterone
• 1:10:00
  levels than I think like in any time in history, and it is affecting
• 1:10:08
  their behavior. They're basically like you know, they have like higher levels of
• 1:10:11
  estrogen there. Uh, they're feminized and so like the thing is is that
• 1:10:19
  now now that that's happened, and it's not their fault, but we are
• 1:10:25
  still holding men to the same standards as men in like the early nineteen hundreds
• 1:10:30
  and the eighteen hundreds, in the sixteen hundreds, because things were very different.
• 1:10:34
  And now that like when you have these statements like men need to be
• 1:10:39
  masculine, well, why don't why don't we stop shaming men, Why don't
• 1:10:43
  we stop finger wagging and we try to figure out how to solve this problem,
• 1:10:47
  how to like you know, put men back in their proper place,
• 1:10:53
  because that's why men are or like a proper place, because that's why men
• 1:10:57
  are are struggling with their masculinity. They're looking for role models, they're looking
• 1:11:01
  for help. They go they watch Jordan Peterson, they get shamed for it,
• 1:11:04
  they get called names, they're they're called in cells whatever they go to
• 1:11:09
  andrew tain, they get shamed for it, they get called names, they
• 1:11:11
  get called misogynists. It doesn't matter, right, It's like no one wants
• 1:11:15
  to help them, but they all want to have something to say about it,
• 1:11:17
  and I think that what they have to say is increasingly unhelpful. Yeah,
• 1:11:24
  of course, So like you're just going to if you're just gonna keep
• 1:11:29
  going down that road, the first thing I think you have to do if
• 1:11:32
  you want to start changing stuff, is to say, you know, masculinity
• 1:11:36
  is good and men should. Yeah, it's something to strive for. Men
• 1:11:43
  should observe it, perhaps want to promote it. And you know, even
• 1:11:47
  women can use a little masculinity, you know. I don't mean like in
• 1:11:51
  the form of a pill. I mean like like I don't know, like
• 1:11:56
  women should learn stoicism like they you know, I don't. I don't think
• 1:11:59
  it needs to be like there's there needs to be a hard lying that's like,
• 1:12:03
  oh, you know only men do this, Like no, I mean,
• 1:12:06
  you know, if you really want to be an independent, um,
• 1:12:14
  you know, a woman, then then then you need to go for it.
• 1:12:16
  Don't just say it. You don't just get to make a declaration,
• 1:12:20
  you know, I'm independent. That doesn't mean anything in act. That's that's
• 1:12:25
  a masculine understand like it's not a performance as an act. Yeah, that's
• 1:12:29
  something that men understand a lot more implicitly than women do. Yeah. And
• 1:12:32
  the thing is that masculinity is there's like a way that men approach their environment
• 1:12:41
  that's informed by having more testosterone, having that that that higher risk threshold,
• 1:12:45
  you know, and all of that that almost forms its own cultural learning.
• 1:12:51
  And then women can become better people by incorporating aspects of those that cultural learning
• 1:12:59
  into their own behavior. Yeah, you could probably do the reverse too.
• 1:13:04
  Men tend to actually be pretty good at at self like, uh, they
• 1:13:12
  tend to be pretty good at just dealing with mental health issues and dealing with
• 1:13:15
  with trauma and stuff like that better than women. But there is an aspect
• 1:13:19
  of being able to set boundaries, being able to say no, and being
• 1:13:25
  able to recognize when people are infringing on you that women have that men could
• 1:13:29
  benefit from in my opinion, from what I've observed. And uh, and
• 1:13:33
  you know, so there's there's strangely enough, men and women are better when
• 1:13:39
  they learn from each other. Yeah, Schucker, I know, it's crazy
• 1:13:45
  almost like we're meant to be complimentary. Yeah, okay, all right.
• 1:13:48
  Anyway, he says, I think you got to be careful about putting pressure
• 1:13:53
  on men to malacho, tough, violent, because the thoughts need to be
• 1:14:01
  saved from the thoughts. This is the thing that really pisses me off about
• 1:14:06
  this toxic masculinity conversation because there they just they just bring in this this baggage
• 1:14:14
  like violence is something unique to men, like much being macheese, having machiesmo
• 1:14:19
  is like automatically just bad. Like you're just you know, I don't know
• 1:14:24
  what it even means. Does I mean you're putting cigarettes out on women's asses?
• 1:14:28
  Like what does it? What does it mean to be the macho thing?
• 1:14:31
  It's like, you know, that's that's one of our words, right,
• 1:14:34
  that's our word. So you you don't get to just like um drag
• 1:14:41
  it through the mud. But they do. They you know, I don't
• 1:14:44
  know it's our word, isn't It's it's a Latino word or yeah, yeah,
• 1:14:49
  machismo, yeah macho movie. Well yeah, that that's a really good
• 1:14:56
  point. Okay, let's see who Let's see what personal demon this guy is
• 1:15:00
  operating from. You've had men in your life. Who okay, go ahead,
• 1:15:04
  in my life? Who like embody that tough role and it it like
• 1:15:11
  creates uncomfortable environments. It sometimes invites aggression, danger to the situation. It's
• 1:15:16
  a certain role playing that I think men actually it's benefits. Oh my god,
• 1:15:20
  shut up, Oh my god, this guy. Yeah, role playing,
• 1:15:26
  role playing. You see, that's the man. They're not really man.
• 1:15:30
  No, yes, criminal, men are criminal, you're right, so
• 1:15:35
  what yeah? What about regular men? If does this mean that every time
• 1:15:42
  a man like takes a stand to protect someone that's weaker, whether it's a
• 1:15:47
  woman or a child, that he's automatically just like LARPing, like you know,
• 1:15:54
  come on, pussy, you know like that that that No, like
• 1:15:57
  there are men who who can't handle you know, uncomfortable situations. Well,
• 1:16:05
  and it might escalate to violence, but that's just the failing of being human.
• 1:16:11
  It's not like built into masculinity. You know. Well now, and
• 1:16:15
  I like, yes, okay. So one of the problems that I find
• 1:16:20
  with feminists is if you say masculinity has this positive trait, they will say,
• 1:16:26
  but what about this subset of men who do this? And it's like,
• 1:16:29
  well, yes, but those are psychopaths who have been abused almost invariably.
• 1:16:34
  Yeah, you know, look at their look at their female number,
• 1:16:38
  you know. Okay, So recently I looked at statistics on spousal death,
• 1:16:44
  spousal murder. Okay, Now the statistics are pretty much really damaged by a
• 1:16:51
  lot of ideological interests. But one thing is there is a really high rate
• 1:16:58
  of lesbian murder. Period like this, you're nineteen. If you're a lesbian,
• 1:17:01
  youre's something like nineteen more times likely to be killed by your partner than
• 1:17:05
  if you're a straight woman or bisexual woman with a man. For some reason,
• 1:17:11
  the UK is different. I guess englishmen are just orcs. But whatever,
• 1:17:15
  most places lesbians are very violent. I would not have expected British men
• 1:17:21
  to be savages compared to every other man on the planet, but everywhere else
• 1:17:27
  that I've seen the statistics, if you're a lesbian, you're like many,
• 1:17:30
  many more times to be likely to be killed. So whenever you look at
• 1:17:34
  the statistics on spousal death and they show, oh, they this many women
• 1:17:39
  die, make sure that they break it down to who's killing them, because
• 1:17:43
  in many cases it's women other women regardless. What I wanted to point out
• 1:17:48
  was I also looked at a a examination on what happens when partners kill each
• 1:17:57
  other, and apparently women are unbelievably violent. Yeah, like you know,
• 1:18:03
  like a man will kill his wife and he'll just like shoot her. A
• 1:18:09
  woman will kill her husband. He'll she'll strangle him to the point of being
• 1:18:13
  unconscious and then start eating parts of him in front of his face while he's
• 1:18:17
  while he's still alive, until he dies of exanguation or some shit, some
• 1:18:21
  really dark drink his blood and sacrifices sacrifice, or he'll she'll cut off,
• 1:18:30
  he'll she'll savagely murder him with an axe or something like. It is.
• 1:18:35
  When women do this shit, they are beasts, you know, and it
• 1:18:41
  may be less often, but when they do it, holy shit, tigers
• 1:18:45
  out of the age. No point, there is no point saying, well,
• 1:18:49
  there's this subset of criminal men who expressed them. First of all,
• 1:18:54
  they're not expressing their masculinity, okay, Or do you think that women who
• 1:18:58
  do this shit are expressing their feminine need. No, they're expressing their criminality,
• 1:19:01
  or they're probably expressing some kind of violence that occurred to them as a
• 1:19:08
  child. Sometimes I wonder about women, because you know, they're pretty scary.
• 1:19:13
  But I'm pretty sure that the men are doing this because I've seen this.
• 1:19:15
  I've seen the stats female criminals. You don't have as much stats on
• 1:19:20
  this kind of thing. But it is violence, and it is abuse,
• 1:19:24
  and it is genetic factors lead to low impulse control that create these kind of
• 1:19:29
  violent men. And yeah, they exist, but it has nothing to do
• 1:19:31
  with masculinity. And so the thing is that when when you say masculinity has
• 1:19:35
  these positive traits, feminists are like, but but no, there is this
• 1:19:39
  subset of criminals that are criminalizing, and you're like, yes, that's what
• 1:19:44
  criminals do. That has nothing to do with masculinity, unless you want to
• 1:19:47
  argue that the female criminals have something to do with femininity. And holy shit,
• 1:19:51
  if we're going to argue that women aren't gonna they're not going to come
• 1:19:54
  out very well. That the g If you're gonna say that the criminal element
• 1:20:00
  of women reflects some aspect of femininity, if you're going to say that the
• 1:20:03
  criminal elements of men reflect some aspect of masculinity, you're gonna lose that one
• 1:20:10
  feminist. You're gonna lose it big and hard. And so I think that
• 1:20:14
  we should just so and the thing is that they don't honestly do that comparison
• 1:20:18
  because they won't lose. Okay, but it's the But that's the thing.
• 1:20:24
  It's like, it's not femininity. A wife eating her husband's face is not
• 1:20:29
  femininity. No, it's not. No, shooting his wife is not masculinity,
• 1:20:33
  right exactly. It's just well, it's like it's like we said before,
• 1:20:39
  like masculine traits are just by default associated with like antisocial traits. I'll
• 1:20:48
  just say that, right, Yes, it's ridiculous, It's yeah, it
• 1:20:53
  is. Okay, let's okay, let's finish this off. We got like
• 1:20:56
  thirty seconds left. Why if that's just who they are, and I think
• 1:21:01
  they should go to therapy and work on it or like a sport and get
• 1:21:05
  out that as so, I understand Russian isn't bad. I always hear from
• 1:21:10
  other male feminists like, oh, that guy's trying to be a macho guy.
• 1:21:13
  Why absolutely, So here's the thing. I think sometimes it's not genuine.
• 1:21:16
  He's playing a character. Uh. I think that's a bit of a
• 1:21:21
  thing for you to say, considering you could be seen as playing a character
• 1:21:27
  too. Yeah, you could be considered you could be seen as feminism maxing
• 1:21:32
  right now there, Yeah, yeah, femine maxing um or you know,
• 1:21:40
  LARPing as like a good guy you know. So, but again I don't
• 1:21:46
  understand where they're getting in with this place. Yeah what are you what are
• 1:21:49
  you hoping to accomplish? Like, do you like, who cares? Like
• 1:21:55
  if he's not being criminal? Yeah? Yeah, exactly, who cares if
• 1:22:00
  he's uh what like showing off his plumage? I mean, that's what you
• 1:22:02
  guys are doing. That's essentially what it is. If you're saying that a
• 1:22:05
  guy is like, you know, playing a character. You're saying that he's
• 1:22:09
  like puffing up his chest and pretending to be tough. Well maybe um,
• 1:22:14
  that he's in a situation where he thinks that's what he has to do,
• 1:22:17
  right, But even if he is playing a character, like if he's rolling,
• 1:22:23
  then how how do we go from that? Too? Well, that's
• 1:22:27
  bad not just like newt Yeah you know, yeah exactly, like it's it
• 1:22:32
  should just be seen. Um. That's sort of a feminine thing to do,
• 1:22:40
  isn't it. Yeah? So there we're we're doing some some femi shaming
• 1:22:45
  right now. Everybody's engaging. Yeah, okay, let's let's finish this all.
• 1:22:48
  I was just gonna say one other thing. This woman in the orange
• 1:22:51
  tomato dress. She um, she said, aggression isn't bad now. Um.
• 1:22:58
  I think that they needed to find that word a little bit because I
• 1:23:01
  think that the male feminists think of aggression is always bad. And I think
• 1:23:05
  that this woman, at least, but probably the other women are thinking that
• 1:23:10
  a guy who you know, essentially is assertive and forward and maybe a little
• 1:23:17
  like rough or physical or whatever. I think that she's basically telling us,
• 1:23:25
  like, I'm into that that's hot, right. It's literally like the you
• 1:23:30
  know, like the kind of brutish man from the romance novels, right that
• 1:23:35
  just like takes what he wants, and you know that's what she likes.
• 1:23:41
  So she is sort of like telling us a bit about her her taste in
• 1:23:45
  men. Actually, I'm usually the one to de escalate situations because of how
• 1:23:49
  I look and how I'm presented to id escalate, and actually as I don't,
• 1:23:53
  and I always encourage young men avoid the fight. Yeah, if you
• 1:23:57
  can avoid it, stay away, but if you have to, obviously do
• 1:23:59
  what you have to do, like survive. And I would say to women
• 1:24:00
  already because don't should be always a last violence. Violence only brings more violence,
• 1:24:09
  all right, go ahead. That generally is a masculine virtue, though,
• 1:24:14
  dude, yeah, is to avoid the fight. Not You're not shattering
• 1:24:17
  toxic masculinity by saying something else. You're not shattering You're not shattering masculinity by
• 1:24:23
  saying that. There are a lot of guys who have something to prove.
• 1:24:28
  What's interesting is a lot of that violence seems to come from a particular type
• 1:24:30
  of household that nobody's talking about, that kind of insecure, aggressive violence.
• 1:24:38
  Okay, that seems to be coming from a particular type of household. I
• 1:24:43
  think we can all guess, all all finish that statement in your own mind.
• 1:24:48
  Um, okay, let's uh, that's the end of that. That's
• 1:24:54
  the that's the last thing. Violence brings more violence. What what about the
• 1:25:00
  um the lady who said nothing? Which lady um, oh oh, oh,
• 1:25:06
  I know you like the redhead or like brunette woman didn't say anything.
• 1:25:13
  She didn't have anything to say. No, no, I don't think so.
• 1:25:17
  Okay, I guess she didn't want to take part in as well.
• 1:25:21
  No no, Because you know these these uh, when they record these,
• 1:25:27
  they're usually a lot longer. You guys, remember when Christoph pet Gas was
• 1:25:31
  on one of these discussions and they edit it down to a much shorter thing,
• 1:25:39
  so they they she might have said something and they just didn't think that
• 1:25:43
  it was worth putting in the cut, which is that they're basically you're racing.
• 1:25:47
  They're racing women's voices, they're silencing women. Um, you know,
• 1:25:53
  I really be curious what she had to say. Yeah, go ahead,
• 1:25:57
  Okay. Here's the thing, like, a lot of feminism seems to be
• 1:26:00
  like, oh, we're the ones who make who create positive like or masculine
• 1:26:05
  virtues. We're the ones who make men care about women. We're the ones
• 1:26:10
  who make men provide and protect for women. And it's like, no,
• 1:26:13
  that's not No. Feminism has nothing to do with that. It exploits what
• 1:26:17
  already existed and has always existed, which is men's concern for women and their
• 1:26:24
  their provision and protection of women. We wouldn't have a society without that because
• 1:26:28
  women cannot survive on their own. We're the most helpless female mammal on the
• 1:26:32
  damn planet. We're not surviving on our own. So right then and there,
• 1:26:38
  one thing that men do for women is they've gotten them to this point.
• 1:26:44
  They've gotten this species to this point is women are not doing it on
• 1:26:48
  their own, and they've never been able to do it on their own.
• 1:26:50
  You want a female animal that can do it on its own, tiger?
• 1:26:56
  Okay that and we are not that. So and that means that there's something
• 1:27:03
  about men who wants to make sure that women are provided and protected for Okay.
• 1:27:09
  So the idea that feminism suddenly was like, oh wow, men have
• 1:27:14
  never cared about women and all of human history, and we're going to make
• 1:27:18
  them do that. Yeah, bullshit, absolutely one bullshit, you know,
• 1:27:28
  and I have a feminist now, who's I remarked on a strategic choice by
• 1:27:33
  Julius Caesar during the Battle of Um against versing Troics. I think us Verse.
• 1:27:42
  You know what gall like. Ancient Gaulish generals have the worst goddamn names,
• 1:27:46
  Versus Trois. I think um at Elisia, I believe. And what
• 1:27:53
  what happened was he had he had he was besieging a town, and he
• 1:27:59
  was all so under siege. So he had created this earthen works around this
• 1:28:03
  Gaulish town that he was sieging because they had brought in a whole bunch of
• 1:28:06
  other goals to siege his siege. It was it was siege seption, you
• 1:28:11
  see. And what things did is they sent out into that kind of no
• 1:28:15
  man's land constructed by these two two walls, all of their useless eaders,
• 1:28:20
  so women and children under the expectation that the Roman men would take them on
• 1:28:26
  as their burden. And one of the reasons why Julius Caesar won that battle
• 1:28:30
  was because he was like no, and uh. And the feminist looked at
• 1:28:41
  that and said, and you say that men are always compassionate. I'm like
• 1:28:45
  no, I never said that. Why this worked was because it was an
• 1:28:49
  exception that proved the rule. Right. They were one expecting Julius Caesar to
• 1:28:57
  abide by the rules of war, which is you keep women and children out
• 1:29:01
  of it, and he didn't. He basically treated them like men. So
• 1:29:06
  don't turn around and tell me that this one instance where women and children were
• 1:29:12
  treated by like men by men is the evidence that men are not compassionate to
• 1:29:18
  women and children in a way they are not compassionate to other men. Because
• 1:29:21
  it is the exception that proves the role and the only the only way that
• 1:29:28
  the only reason they got away with it because it's the exception that proves the
• 1:29:30
  role. But anyway, so it's like, yes, men have cared about
• 1:29:34
  women and children throughout all of human history. They have women and protected and
• 1:29:41
  provided for women, and this exception proves that role because of expectation of what
• 1:29:49
  Julius Caesar was going to do and his defiance of that expectation. Okay,
• 1:29:56
  all right, so that's that's what I wanted to say to that, And
• 1:29:59
  I really really annoys me that feminists simultaneously take responsibility for men caring about women
• 1:30:04
  like they invented or invented that in the nineteen seventies, which is told,
• 1:30:09
  bullshit. Yes, that's exactly what men needed to jump start their concern for
• 1:30:14
  women. A bunch of political lesbians yelling at them and nagging them that.
• 1:30:23
  That's exactly what That's exactly what it took. That's exactly the stimulus that men
• 1:30:28
  needed to care about women. Oh anyway, So, um, a bunch
• 1:30:34
  of well, not just political lesbians, but also you know, women who
• 1:30:42
  had perfected the art of political nagging to a fine art. That's what it
• 1:30:45
  needed. That's what men needed to finally care about women. Um So,
• 1:30:50
  anyway, that that's just strikes me as absurd. Feminists need to let go
• 1:30:54
  of that that rhetoric that they they were the ones who created men's care about
• 1:30:58
  women. They also they have to let go of this idea that it isn't
• 1:31:01
  women themselves. And that's that's the big thing, Like men care about women
• 1:31:06
  because of women. They don't care about when feminism, no, of course
• 1:31:12
  not feminism. Co opting that afforded a very very small group of women a
• 1:31:17
  lot of power and money. And ultimately, no woman ever anywhere owes feminism
• 1:31:27
  a damn thing. Nope, nopemis. It's like that meme, you know,
• 1:31:32
  like did you make this? Oh? I made this? Did you
• 1:31:35
  make this? Yes? I made this, and then they take it and
• 1:31:39
  then they say I made this. Women do not owe feminism anything. Yep,
• 1:31:46
  you don't owe them a feminist a damn thing. Feminism owes women everything
• 1:31:55
  everything, yep. And what feminism has delivered to women is confusion, misery,
• 1:32:01
  middle management jobs, cats, and a shitty life in which you don't
• 1:32:09
  even get to have somebody who'll have your back in the end of the day.
• 1:32:13
  Like it's like okay, well thanks, and we've made and women have
• 1:32:16
  made a select group of feminist women very influential and very powerful. Geez,
• 1:32:23
  it's almost like that patriarchy, except reversed that they constantly talk about. And
• 1:32:29
  how I guess you're gonna say feminism hurts women too, Okay, it does.
• 1:32:34
  That's a that's a good that's a good point. I mean it's kind
• 1:32:39
  of obvious. But yeah, um yeah. I mean even if women think
• 1:32:44
  they're benefiting from feminism and the short term, it probably won't serve them in
• 1:32:47
  the long term. So but that is it for that segment. We're going
• 1:32:55
  to try and do another one, right, I have some pretty good ones.
• 1:32:59
  There's like, uh, there's probably better ones. Well, oh,
• 1:33:01
  there are there is. There's like men are falling behind the society is a
• 1:33:04
  nice chunk. Women should also be drafted into the military. That could be
• 1:33:11
  interesting. I know that that was what Mark Angelucci may he Rest in Peace
• 1:33:15
  was fighting. Yeah. Yeah. Um. Then there's men should take birth
• 1:33:23
  control is another interesting one. Um, So those are a few. I
• 1:33:28
  don't know if there's any that interests you guys, But um, do you
• 1:33:31
  think men should take birth control? Do you believe women should serve in the
• 1:33:34
  military, what do you think the Are there going to be any downsides to
• 1:33:39
  that um let us know in the comments and what I said, sir,
• 1:33:42
  I mean drafted. I mean drafted for the military. So yeah, anybody
• 1:33:47
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