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#251: Terrifier 3 (2024) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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You know, the poll's not the end all be all of this whole thing.
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So I'm ready to talk about Terrified 3 because I've been
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excited about this for a long time.
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I fucking love these. I love this movie and I think
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we're going to have a good time. I sure hope so.
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All right, so you got the goodies this week.
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Terrifier 3 released September 19th, 2024 at the Fantastic Fest
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worldwide release on October 11th, 2024.
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We watched it on our 4K. In theory, but it is.
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Look that that part's not debatable, OK?
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Look, I'm going to just give any of you people a fair warning
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because I didn't know this and a lot of people didn't know this
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because it was advertised. Oh, I don't know necessarily if
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it was advertised, but it was stated online by official ish
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sources, blu-ray.com, that this had HDR. It does not have HDR.
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It's still in true 4K, but it does not have HDR, which is a
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bummer. It's a bummer for anybody that's
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into that thing. So just fair warning, there's an
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umbrella one that's coming out like sometime down the line
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soon. That one probably will have the
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HDR grade. So if you care about that, wait
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for that. OK.
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It's not available to stream anywhere, but you can rent it
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from Google Play, Fandango at home or Prime.
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Written and directed by Damian Leon, music by Paul Wiley.
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Special effects makeup head was John Caglion Junior.
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But we had like texts from texts and artists from Callison
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Studios and Tinsley Studio for all the different special
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effects and prosthetics and whatnot.
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Yeah, it's definitely from the behind the scenes thing.
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Not just Damian Leon doing his stuff all by himself anymore.
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Yes, there is a full team, so thank goodness for that.
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Yeah. Starring Lauren Lovera as
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Sienna, David Howard and Thornton is Art the Clown,
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Antonella Rose as Gabby Elliott, Fulham as Jonathan, Samantha
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Scaffidi as Victoria Hayes, Margaret Ann Florence as
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Jessica, Bryce Johnson as Craig, Alexa Blair Robertson as Mia and
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Mason McCarty as Cole Travis. Yes, time for our favorite game
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budget. Or.
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Buck, Ted. Buck, Ted.
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OK, Yeah. It is a it's 2 million.
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Damn, it's only 2 million. Only two million, but if you got
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to think the others were like a quarter million before so.
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The I think. What are you doing?
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Why are you looking stuff up? Well, there was one thing and I
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just kind of assumed that you probably may not have looked it
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up yourself. I just wanted to be prepared
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because I'm was going to ask this question out of all those
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people about Speak going back to the cast, did do they have the
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original Vicki playing this character or have they recast
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her? That's the original Vicki.
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That's Samantha's graffiti. OK, cool.
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That's interesting that they kept her.
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I was curious about that so I wasn't sure.
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OK, 2 million. You're right.
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They they only had like 250 ish 1000 for two Yeah and then
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25,000 for one. Yeah.
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So just so it keeps going. Out.
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Well, it should have been 2.5 million for this.
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Game. It had an opening box office of
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18.9 million and a worldwide gross of 89,000,000.
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IMDb score of 6.4 out of 10. That's insane.
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This movie did huge for a like a whole independent thing.
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Yes, absolutely it did. It was beating like
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blockbusters. So.
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Speaking of blockbusters. Yeah.
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I pulled 3 movies from 2024. OK.
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The theme is face paint. Face pain.
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It might not be for the whole movie, it might just be for like
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a specific scene or even just the poster, but that's my theme.
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Interesting. OK.
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The first one is Maxine I'm thinking.
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The Star. Of that scene where she's got.
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The. You're right.
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Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, you cross your.
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Eyes pink. Yeah.
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Yeah, that's a cool look. I like it.
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So that Released July 5th, 2024. A budget of 1,000,000 and a
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worldwide gross of 22,000,000. IMDb score of 6.3 out of 10.
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Damn. 2nd movie is where box office or block blockbuster
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comes in the crow. The Crow.
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Oh, I thought you were going to go Joker.
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No. This movie was pitted up against
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Joker kind. Of it was, but Joker was more of
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like a musical this time around. So I didn't want to pull it.
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Yeah, but I didn't want to pull it for a horror category.
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We always generally try and keep it horror.
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That's true. That's a true point.
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Yeah. OK.
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The crow. Yeah.
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I think Eve paints his face a time or two.
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Yeah. I don't know.
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I I watched the original. I'm sorry, people.
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I don't really care for the. Crow, he looks painted up on the
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poster. So that's what I went with.
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It's Skarsgard being a sad boy for usual.
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Yeah, that's what the Skarsgard's do.
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Yeah, I saw something that Bill Skarsgard said after doing
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Nosferatu that he doesn't want to ever play an evil character
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like that ever again. And the top comment was he's a
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Skarsgard. His options are Vampire, Viking,
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Vampire, Viking or Viking vampire, to which I also want to
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add or pretentious little sad boy.
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I also add clown. Clown.
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Fits well too, which fits with this movie even.
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OK so The Crow released August 23rd 2024.
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Budget of 50 million, worldwide gross of 24,000,000.
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IMDb score lowest of Metrio 4.7 out of 10.
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I know a lot of people hated it, but I know a lot of people that
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we are friends with loved it. So you know, it's your mileage
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may vary type deal I guess. I'm crow free in my life
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currently. Neither crow I've.
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Never seen any crow I I've never seen an actual bird.
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The crow you know. Yeah.
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No, no, I should mention. Crows aren't real.
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Birds aren't real. It's a conspiracy.
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Yeah. And, you know, I think we're on
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to. Something here, a third movie is
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something called Hot Season. Hot Season Yeah, it's about a
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woman who gets like seasonal work at a hot and her Co workers
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start missing and they're killed in the ways that match their
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characters. Wow, that's interesting.
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Yeah, but I saw some like shots where obviously she had on.
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Face paint. Yep.
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Yeah. OK, so that released October 20,
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October 24th 2024. Couldn't find a budget cuz I
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think it went straight to streaming.
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That sounds about right. But it did make a worldwide
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gross of 66,000 and has an IMDb score 4.9 out of 10.
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If it went straight to streaming it wouldn't have a gross.
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I don't know what Simon. I've got the.
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Information I have. Yeah, it's a low key release, I
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suppose. OK.
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OK, I've got tag lines. There weren't any on the
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posters, but there's that. There are tag lines nonetheless.
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That's a good that's a trend that's been happening the
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further removed we are from the past.
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Yeah, I, I don't. It's it's just an.
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I'm not asking for an explanation, I'm just making an
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observation out. Loud right?
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Terror under the Christmas moonlight.
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Terror under the Christmas moonlight.
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That sounds like a song. All I can think of is the
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Michael Keaton era of Batman and Jack Nicholson's Joker.
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Have you ever danced to the Devil under the pale?
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Midnight. Yeah, Yeah.
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Oh, kind of. Yeah, I can see that, yeah.
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Bring that back to clowns. It's clowns all the way down.
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Full circle of clowns. You better not shout.
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You better not cry. That's just song lyrics.
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But yeah, I did. Not know.
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Better not shout. Better not shout and prepare to
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be terrified again. You know, not too impressed with
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these. I'm not either.
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That's surprising. I know you're gonna say, you
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know, not too bad and I was gonna disagree with you.
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No, no, I don't think that these are that great.
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I think that this movie deserves way better.
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Tagline, OK? I feel like they put no effort
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into. Those.
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Like song lyric, generic shit that doesn't really make much
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sense and then I don't even know.
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Damien Leone said that this increased budget is going
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towards more special effects makeup artists, more hands on
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deck to help clean the bathrooms they destroyed.
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And a double for David Howard. Thornton.
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Yeah, he was so amazed when he saw this.
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It was like, wow. OK, so I've got some fun facts.
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There wasn't like a ton on the Internet surprisingly.
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And the disk mostly just had like like as the making of like
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mini documentary type thing. But it wasn't really didn't go
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into like a whole lot of detail. So it's just like stuff I picked
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up. They're watching it.
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They haven't like a whole other full blown documentary, I take
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it, coming out with that umbrella that we was talking
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about. Yeah, Art attack.
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Yeah. So that'll be more of the in
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depth info whenever that's out. So principal photography took
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place from February 2024 to April 2024.
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Leon filmed with Panavision anamorphic lenses to make it
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feel like a vintage drunk Carpenter film.
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Oh, that's cool, you know. I thought you'd like that little
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tidbit. Yeah, the OK everything about
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the cinematography of this movie does feel very classic.
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It feels retro for sure. And hearing that really, really
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makes like it, puts it into perspective.
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Yeah, and I will say there's something that like I was
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writing down as we went through every time I caught a reference
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to another horror movie. So I'll point those out as we
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talk about the movie. That was my favorite thing of
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watching the behind the scenes footage was like seeing like how
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all the things were operating and yeah, I've seen where the
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camera was. But then I would keep the
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monitor at the bottom of the camera to be like, oh, that's
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the shot that they were getting there.
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That's so cool. Yeah, I like low key.
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That's one of my favorite things on set is when not on screen,
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like watching the filming and seeing like the actual screen of
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what is going to be. Yeah.
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Like the monitor, the, IT was so funny in the thing.
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You don't get a lot of, like, verbal information, but you get
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a lot of visual information from this.
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And one of the things is Chris Jericho watching himself get
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ripped. Yeah, from the face.
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My God, his reaction's like, that's creepy.
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Yeah. OK.
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So this is the highest grossing unrated movie of all time.
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Yeah. It.
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Shattered Records and the fact that it's independent, I think
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is part of what made that happen because they weren't limited by
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a studio or production company telling them like, you know, we
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have to make it fit like. Got cut this.
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This, this and this yeah, we have to be.
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MPAA approved and said it was just like, what theaters are
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willing to pick this up and which?
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I mean. Yeah, plenty did.
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It's it's, yeah, you'd be stupid not to at this point.
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Like there was there's so clearly an audience for this out
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there. So I do have a couple of things
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from this behind the scenes stuff. 1 is that David Howard
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Thornton's contact lenses that he uses for Art's eyes?
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Those are custom made to fit his eyeball and I think that's just
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really cool. And it's also really important,
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especially if you are a betting cosplayer out there, please go
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to an optometrist or an ophthalmologist and get fitted
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for contacts. That shit can fuck up your eyes.
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That's scary. Yeah, there was actually
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somebody in one of the cosplay subreddits I was reading earlier
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this week talking about how they had worn some like red tinted
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contacts and days later their vision was still fuzzy and I was
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like, go to the doctor. Yeah, what the fuck?
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Yeah. I would be so freaked out if I
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was like, yeah, I took it off and I still can't see well,
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like, what do you guys think? I don't know.
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I don't. Know why some people come to
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Reddit before anywhere else but yeah.
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I don't. Well, maybe there's various
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reasons, but. Yeah, So Jericho, Speaking of
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Chris Jericho, they his face prosthetic, they did it in a way
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where they would be able to do multiple takes with it if they
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needed to. So his school was actually kind
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of like Puzzle, pieced together and held up by chicken wire so
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they can crush it and pop it back out for a second take.
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That's really good because like, yeah, that way I can't.
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It's so intricate seeing that stuff and then and having to
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just redo it or only having one shot, that would suck.
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And also for like all of the silicone faces, for like the
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various face ripping that they had going on, they just had like
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multiple sheets of silicone ready to go to like just RIP
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away. So like we saw with the the one
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of the demolition guys Dennis up in the attic that we saw them
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practice or do that shot multiple times.
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Yeah, just pulling the face back up and then pulling it down,
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yeah. And that's that thing is also
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really funny where David was like chewed off the fingers and
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he's just making different faces.
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One point, whack his tongue and Damien are just cracking up in
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the. Background.
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The best part about that is you can in the movie he's mute, but
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there you can kind of hear some of the noises he's making.
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Yeah, yeah, it's a little bit of something to it.
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Also this, I heard there was a scene where Gabby and Sienna, so
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Lauren and Antonella, they're in Gabby's room on set and she was
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like pointing out the different things on the set.
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And she goes, these are all the paintings.
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And I actually did all those paintings and I'm hoping I
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didn't mishear that, but I I felt like I heard her say I did
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all of those paintings. She did, but I couldn't tell if
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she was running through. Her character aligns with
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Warren. I think she might have actually
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done the paintings. I have to.
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Uncommon for that type of thing to happen if they need it to
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look like age appropriate. No, I mean, if that's the case,
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that's cool. That's just how I interpreted
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watching that. But it could be that she did
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that. Yeah, that'd be awesome if that
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were true. Headless Art was a combination
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of a giant puppet. And I do mean giant, because
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David Harron Thornton is a tall man, one of the rare horror
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killers who's actually tall. Yeah, he's one of the ones that
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surprised me because he doesn't look tall in the movies.
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Yeah. They also did like scenes where
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he had to, you know, like when he was choking out the cough and
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what not. They had David in like the suit,
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but they had a green screen mask on him, so that way they could
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edit his head out and they had to shoot those very particularly
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so they'd be able to get the look just right.
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The thing that always messes with me with those is how do you
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remove the head but retain the information in the background if
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there's nothing there? I think it's probably like a
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pattern repeating, like a fill in kind of smart technology.
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Surely, yeah, but that's just always blown my mind how they do
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that. Yeah.
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And then finally, I the bathroom, it was fun watching
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them set up the scene where Vicki like is in the bathtub and
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everything because they had this whole, they had like three
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people setting up the branches throughout the bathroom and
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filling up the tub with sludge there.
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Yeah, synthetic shit and all of that.
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And they had like a dozen people cleaning it.
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I like I appreciated that they showed the cleanup process as
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well after. Yeah, it was insane.
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Like everybody was like there were so many people just
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cleaning. It made I really appreciate like
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oh shit, they actually like went to a real house and obviously
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did this because they had to clean up.
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I thought that they built a set. For well, it was either a real
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house or it was a real set that they were going to like reuse
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for something else at some point.
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That's true too. So.
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This all. That's that's the limitation of
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my fun facts. All of those shots like that
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right there and everything else, like where they're actually
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filming in a real house gave me such claustrophobia because it's
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like jam packed with like 20 people inside.
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Like a single house like that, that tiny house.
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Oh my God, they call this. I mean technically yes this is
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an indie movie but holy shit they had like full scale
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production shit. And also stuff like that tends
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to really mess up the temperature inside the building
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too, because you can't really run air because that messes with
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the sound. And it can mess with the set too
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because of, you know, wind moving around.
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So it it can be very uncomfortable.
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I saw that they had like little fog machines in there too, so
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yeah, that would just be blowing that all over the place.
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Yeah, I, I remember on the set for New Year's Eve, because we
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had got probably about 30 people in a tiny little conference room
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and we had like the fog machine going and could it like in
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between takes, like we had the fans going, but it was a lot
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that's. Yeah, no, but you know, I'm
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happy for them. Yeah, it's cool.
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Cool to see the progression. So that's it.
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All right, turn. My phone back.
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All right, So good, Bad, ugly and absurd.
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Yes, All right. I get to kick it off.
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Yes, you do. OK.
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So I love that they took him and put him in another holiday.
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The past 2 movies have been Halloween, which that's great.
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The character obviously thrives in that type of setting.
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But I love I love the winter setting.
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We were talking about that last weekend cold of Chucky.
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But making it a Christmas movie is so cool because I feel like a
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lot of people want that to be done with a lot of their swasher
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icons. Like they're like, OK, let's put
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them in like a different time of year or a different holiday or
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something like that and make it like, you know, refresh it.
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And they got on the train with that really fast with the being
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the third one. But it was really cool.
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I'm a troll and I would love to put Michael Myers in different
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holidays. Oh I would love that too.
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But you know what you can? You can realistically have a
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snowy Halloween. There's been snow documented.
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I'm not talking about snow, I'm talking about just full on
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different holidays just to like with the people.
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My Valentine's Day, yeah. Michael Myers.
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Yeah, He's, he exists. He's out there doing shit
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throughout the year. He doesn't just wait and like,
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look at his watch. Oh, it's Halloween now.
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We no. He doesn't wait and look at his
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watch, he goes down to his tunnel and eats his tunnel rats
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and then he comes out once a year.
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He just waits for Corey. Yeah.
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Damn, dude, come hang out. Come play.
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I like, you know, like the cats when they wrestle.
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So yeah, that was cool. I can tell that they really
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amped up everything with this movie here.
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Like they had like a full blown production.
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This movie looks professional. Like it doesn't look indie.
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It doesn't look amateur. Like they are super competent.
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They've gotten everything well crafted at this point.
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They've got it down. They got the character.
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I loved the progression of Sienna's story.
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You know we do the time jump up into present day which is cool
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because we had been living back in.
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They did some weird time stuff in the last one where it was
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like the same time ish. It was the year after the first
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one. Yeah, but yeah, but they also
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had that one scene where he was in there watching the TV with
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the pale girl and he was going to go like it Was that not the
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same night or did they jump a year in the.
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It was a year ahead because he was watching the interview with
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Vicki and Monica Brown, Which canonically happened a year
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after the events of the first one.
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So it was Co occurring with the story we got in Terrifier. 20
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OK, see that that messed with me either way I like that whole
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story of her, you know, having to like she you know, deal with
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all of her losses, her mom and everything like that.
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We get introduced to a new family.
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Jonathan being in college, that's a cool little new setting
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for that to happen and. Cool, is that the word you want
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to go for with it? It's not.
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Yeah. I mean, it's fine.
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You know, like I, I like having like college set pieces in these
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types of movies. So, you know, we get like the
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dorm party, we get him going into the dorm room and like
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killing them in the shower. Like, you know, without him
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there, that wouldn't be there. He wouldn't be at that college
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if it weren't for Jonathan. I just distinctly remember you
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multiple times saying that you just don't believe that
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Jonathan's in college. Oh, I don't.
21:48
I mean, honestly, you look at that kid, and I mean absolutely
21:51
no offense to the kid, but like he looks like a child still,
21:55
which I did my freshman year of college too.
21:57
I still looked like I belonged in middle school.
22:00
I don't think I really grew out of it until halfway through
22:02
sophomore year of college. But, yeah, I mean, it's a thing.
22:06
Like he, I mean, he even still sounds young.
22:09
Yeah. I mean, but I do for the
22:12
character appreciated being in college.
22:15
I love the quarrel of the effects.
22:16
Everything's good. Art is fantastic, as always.
22:20
I love the whole thing with him being like a like a Santa Claus
22:24
fanatic. Yeah.
22:25
That's one of my favorite scenes in the entire franchise when he
22:28
like sees them in the bar. I don't know, there's there's
22:31
just so much good to say about this movie.
22:33
I thought that they knocked it out of the park.
22:34
They fixed the pacing issues for the first one.
22:36
We didn't have any moments where it dragged.
22:38
I mean, there were some editing issues still this time around,
22:42
but we'll go into that here in the next part.
22:45
But overall, I thought that they like really punched it up big
22:48
time. OK.
22:51
I. Really appreciated the
22:53
storytelling in terms of trauma and trauma responses and mental
23:01
health and seeking therapy and treatment.
23:06
I, I think that cause so many other movies take the approach
23:11
of like, you know, this person is snapping on a dime, you know,
23:17
freaking out over every little thing.
23:21
Whereas we've seen Sienna, she's gone through treatment for five
23:24
years in and out of impatient. And you know, that scene where
23:27
Brooke's at the table and she's like, you know, hallucinating
23:30
that she's yelling at her and blaming her for everything that
23:32
happened. And she doesn't freak out and
23:35
upset everybody else at the table.
23:36
She just excuses herself. I really like the way they
23:39
handled that too. I thought that that was really
23:41
well done. And like when she sees art in
23:43
the mall and she and this is, you know, we're in a horror
23:47
movie and she obviously is actually seeing art, right.
23:53
But realistically, her in the world of the movie is going
23:57
well. No, I've been dealing with
23:58
trauma. I've been having hallucinations.
24:00
And even when Gabby asked about it, she says I'm sick.
24:03
I talk to doctors, I take medicine and I try to be a
24:05
little less sick every day. Like, I like that way she
24:08
explains it. And I like that.
24:10
This is such a real thing that people who have experienced
24:15
trauma go through because your trauma response has likely at
24:18
some point saved your life. Like, it didn't come from out of
24:21
nowhere, you know? So then it becomes this
24:23
balancing act of like learning that not everything needs to
24:26
have that trauma response. You don't have to be afraid of
24:29
everything all the time because that's not a healthy way to
24:31
live. And it becomes counterproductive
24:33
to always have that trauma response.
24:34
At the same time, you can't turn it off completely because as
24:37
humans, we do need to have like a response to things that
24:41
present danger to us. It's just kind of trying to
24:44
attune yourself and figure out, figure out what is dangerous.
24:48
And I think that this movie does a really good job.
24:50
And there's even a point where, you know, Jess is talking to
24:52
Gabby and Gabby's like, I don't want her to go back to the
24:54
hospital. And Jess is like, I don't
24:56
either. But we need to do what's best
24:57
for her to keep her safe and to keep her healthy.
25:00
And I think that's such a nuanced way of looking at it
25:03
that we don't always look at it from the emotional aspect of the
25:07
moment. So I really appreciate what this
25:10
movie does with that because I don't feel like we see this kind
25:13
of a take in horror movies very often.
25:17
No, no, not really. Yeah, it's pretty.
25:21
It's usually kind of hand waved away a lot of times in horror
25:24
movies, like people like trauma's almost like nonexistent
25:26
a lot of the times. Yeah.
25:28
Or if it is, then it's just used to kind of like make everybody
25:31
completely discredit the character, but in kind of an
25:34
over the top kind of way. Yeah, You know, so the other
25:39
thing that I love about this movie is that, like art just
25:42
reveling in the gore and violence and just having fun and
25:45
the nonsense of like the blood snow Angel in the locker room.
25:51
And I love my my continuing love of his continuing love and
25:55
respect for the holidays. Like, because we talked about
25:58
how he respects the rules of trick or treating and terrifier
26:02
too. And in this one, he's a big fan
26:03
of Santa. And when he learns, like, you're
26:04
not a real Santa if you don't have a beard, like I like that
26:07
he takes that to heart, like art, like, believes in the magic
26:10
of holidays. And I think that's fun.
26:11
And I'm going to have some very specific ideas about that when
26:15
we discuss SQL ideas later, OK? Cool, so all.
26:18
Right. So I just, and I think this like
26:21
you said, I think the pacing of this works really well.
26:24
It doesn't feel like it really drags.
26:26
Even watching it last night, I know it is close to the same
26:29
runtime runtime as Terrifier too, but it doesn't feel.
26:32
It's just like. It's almost as long.
26:33
It's just over 2 hours so this is lacking like half an hour
26:38
compared to two. I think 2 is like 220 so it's
26:42
like a 15 minute difference. OK, well then yeah, that's a
26:46
long 15. I mean, that 15 minutes is
26:48
essentially just like Jonathan being chased by art, getting
26:51
whacked and then continuing to chase over and over again.
26:54
Yeah. Also the whole bar scene is
26:58
hilarious and Clint Howard being a little flip flopper I'm just
27:01
going to agree with whatever the last thing said was is
27:04
hilarious. I appreciate Clint Howard, but
27:06
you know what? I, I, I noticed that he didn't
27:09
want to fully commit. And by that I'm saying he didn't
27:13
want to get his death filmed. Everybody else in this whole
27:18
franchise, you get killed, it's shown and it's shown in
27:22
gratuitous ways. But Clint Howard's like, shoot
27:24
me but have the bullet hit off screen.
27:26
I'll wait in a static shot and a pull of my boy.
27:29
That's all I'm doing. That's it.
27:31
He is Clint Howard. He's been around long enough, he
27:33
can say what he wants to say. He can say whatever he wants to
27:35
say, but I can be just as disappointed.
27:38
OK, what is your bad besides Clint Howard's lack of
27:42
commitment? It doesn't get any worse than
27:45
that. Well, I don't know.
27:50
I mean, there's really not a whole lot that I disliked about
27:53
this movie. But I do agree with a lot of
27:56
people. And I mean, this is like the
27:58
most common sentiment I've seen online is how the ending is so
28:01
rushed, where I feel like he took the criticism of the last
28:06
one a heart too much and ended up cutting too much because we
28:11
have something happened to Jonathan.
28:14
Don't even know what happens to him.
28:16
He gets a call and he agrees to go over to the house.
28:19
Next thing we know, the uncle is over there picking him up and
28:21
the demon voice is there emulating him.
28:24
Like there's a lot of missing pieces.
28:27
If that's meant to be like, oh, we'll find out in next movie,
28:30
then I don't really like that because you left us with
28:35
nothing. And I do want to pull this out
28:37
now because you've kind of given me and inroad to talk about it.
28:41
So. So this is from an interview
28:45
with Damian Leon for Gizmodo. Well, I certainly thought about
28:48
showing it, but I didn't for a couple reasons.
28:50
One, I thought it would almost be disrespectful to that
28:52
character, just how much I like that character.
28:55
I don't want to see that character suffer after
28:56
everything he's been through. I think the reveal is so
28:59
important also because there's a big misdirect at the ending
29:01
where you're not supposed to think that's Jonathan.
29:03
You're supposed to think that's Gabby Skull.
29:05
I thought it was more effective to just reveal it that way.
29:08
I know a lot of people wanted to see that poor character get
29:10
killed. Another reason is we would have
29:12
had to kill him directly after the shower massacre scene, and
29:15
everybody would have been completely desensitized at that
29:17
point. It would have had no impact
29:19
whatsoever. I think the audience need a
29:20
little bit of time to breathe after that.
29:24
You. You.
29:25
You want to know what I say? I I know what you're going to
29:28
say because I've shown you this screenshot before, but go ahead
29:31
and say it for the listeners. Oh, I don't know what you're
29:33
talking about. I'm I'm calling bullshit.
29:36
Yeah, that's what you said when I showed you the screenshot
29:38
before. Oh, OK, well, I'm calling
29:40
bullshit. I mean, he's not dead.
29:42
I mean, you can't kill a major character like that off that
29:46
unceremoniously. Come on.
29:48
Just because like, you've killed everybody else in this franchise
29:52
so brutally like, oh, but that one's off limits.
29:55
We saw fucking children massacred in this movie.
29:59
Not one child. Children and then Jonathan is
30:03
like, well, hold on, like I'm not fucking buying it.
30:08
He's not dead. He's going to come back.
30:10
I I guarantee it. That's my that's my prediction.
30:13
But like, why else you can't? You can't just kill somebody
30:18
that major off off screen like that.
30:22
I think he is dead and we're going to get a flashback kill in
30:25
the next movie. He'll be in hell, maybe because
30:27
they're going to go to hell. Maybe he's just like, Oh yeah, I
30:30
was a fucking asshole. And you know, he's like circle
30:33
number one. It's Jonathan.
30:37
Cuz you know it's gonna be the 9 circles of hell or whatever.
30:40
So well cuz that's the short that Art the Clown first appear
30:42
in was the 9th circle. And they're reading the book.
30:44
Yeah. At the end of the movie.
30:46
Like, I mean, it's all pointing to this.
30:47
So yeah, maybe circle #1 is like, hey, I'm Jonathan.
30:50
Oh, shit, what's up? OK, that's not it, though.
30:52
I mean, also just the way that the for my bad at the end, how
30:57
like art just appears. Art and Vicki appear in the
31:00
house just like like that. Like there's so much missing
31:05
from when he goes to go get Jonathan to when they all like
31:08
the finale of the movie. Like I thought I was watching
31:14
her have a nightmare the first time I was watching that.
31:17
But then 5 minutes into the whole ordeal, I'm like, Oh no,
31:21
we're actually doing this right now.
31:22
Oh, OK. I kind of like that we thought
31:25
of I because I feel like we kind of went through Sienna's
31:27
experience with that. Like, is this a nightmare?
31:29
Oh God, no, it's real. I feel like that would make more
31:31
sense if she ever questioned herself, but the entire time
31:34
anytime that she saw him she was certain of it.
31:37
So if it was her, like doubting if it was him or not, then like,
31:41
oh, this time it actually is him, then that would be one
31:44
thing. But no, like every single time
31:47
we saw him, like it was like, for real him.
31:50
OK, yeah. But I mean, that's yeah.
31:52
Those are my only real issues that I have with this.
31:57
Yeah, I I think the pacing was really good, but I do think that
32:02
we we lost some major plot points because of it.
32:05
And I think, you know, we have some really pretty shots, like
32:08
that whole opening sequence, really great cinematography.
32:12
I love the opening. I think it's fantastic.
32:15
Ultimately, it does nothing to drive the plot.
32:19
It does nothing to drive the plot, but what it does it sets
32:22
the tone perfectly. I understand that.
32:24
I just also think that because of that, we might have lost the
32:29
opportunity for those other like transition scenes.
32:34
If that's what? You know where we see Greg and
32:36
Jonathan's death. If that's the sacrifice that it
32:39
takes to get that opening, then I'll take that sacrifice every
32:42
day. I love their opening so much.
32:44
It's so fucking good. OK, what is your ugly?
32:49
I hate the way Mia's character treats the whole case and
32:54
confronts Jonathan and Sienna about like these super fucked up
32:59
traumatic things for the sake of her podcast.
33:03
And then whenever they see clips of the two of them talking about
33:06
it during like when Jonathan's watching the clips of the
33:09
podcast, they're so fucking disrespectful and they're like
33:13
the worst kind of podcasters. I hope people don't see us like
33:15
that. They're trash people.
33:18
They they pissed me off. Yeah, Now we've talked about
33:21
that on the show before, about how predatory true crime can be
33:26
a lot of times, especially when it doesn't take into account the
33:28
fact that the people involved in those cases are real people.
33:31
And I like that this movie has that moment, especially where
33:34
Sienna just fucking lets loose on Mia.
33:37
Dude, I mean this. I mean, can you blame her?
33:39
Because the way that she approached it, she's like, Oh my
33:41
God. Like the fans are so hungry for
33:42
content. We want to know like, you know
33:44
what you're doing to cope or like what a normal meal for you
33:47
is like, are you? Are you you?
33:49
Propose like a get ready with me video, which I'm sure you don't.
33:54
Those don't come across your feet very often, but I've seen
33:58
plenty of those. And the idea that they want to
34:00
put somebody who at best is like a survivor of a mass murder and
34:06
at worst is the perpetrator of the mass murder.
34:10
Have a get ready with me video. With her, what it was was
34:13
essentially she wanted the ending, the new year, new you.
34:17
Yes. Yeah, where she's like, oh, so
34:20
yeah, like I had this huge traumatic thing that overcame.
34:22
So let's learn self-defense. Yes, You know, no, like it's so
34:26
fucking. Scary out there, people.
34:28
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's she, she watched
34:31
them and she said, oh, that's what it's like, trauma.
34:34
She learned nothing either because she went and got
34:38
pregnant by Edward Colin. Oh, I thought we were talking
34:40
about the character in this movie here.
34:42
I'm like. No, I missed that too this time.
34:43
That was the key Waterhouse. She got so not only did Jonathan
34:46
die off screen, but she got pregnant by Edward Colin off
34:49
screen. Maybe I need the opening taken
34:52
out? Too much was missed.
34:55
Yeah, OK. Tend.
34:56
To be inferred. Damn it, now I'm conflicted.
34:58
All right. What was your ugly?
35:02
Probably children being murdered at Santa's Play Village in the
35:05
mall. Oh boy.
35:07
I listen. Here's the thing.
35:09
This is fiction, and I can separate fiction from reality.
35:12
And I am often, unlike certain government officials, horrified
35:17
when mass murder occurs, especially when it involves
35:20
children. This is a movie.
35:23
Art is in no way painted as a redeemable guy.
35:26
He's not a character you're supposed to root for.
35:28
He's not the good guy. He is explicitly evil.
35:33
I am. And in this movie they stayed
35:35
outright. He is possessed by a demon.
35:38
We we have had this debate like back as far back as the
35:43
beginning of this podcast. But I remember one of the
35:46
earliest ones is do you root for the killer?
35:48
And I am always, yeah, I root for the killer because it's fun.
35:52
But I'm just saying like this, when a movie does this, does
35:58
this, it's not afraid to go there you like.
36:01
It's a ballsy move. Yeah, right.
36:04
I mean, again, they establish the tone with that opening so
36:06
well. We see a fucking child get
36:08
dismembered. And it's fucking upsetting.
36:11
And all I can think of is how upsetting it had to have been to
36:13
put those little prosthetic props together and everything.
36:18
And this scene is appropriately horrifying, which is why it's on
36:23
my ugly. Am IA little bit is it bad for
36:26
me to say that Like I I don't find that to be the worst scene
36:31
in the movie. I know a lot of people put that
36:33
up like every movie has that scene that they reference like
36:36
the first one about the crack of dawn.
36:38
The second one is Casey's death and a lot of people go to the
36:41
mall scene for this movie but I don't really find that to be as
36:46
bad as like the chainsaw kill with Mia and her boyfriend.
36:55
I understand this children. It's children.
36:58
I think there's also like a thematic element of like, the
37:01
loss of innocence because these are children that are young
37:03
enough that they still believe in Santa.
37:05
They've just been given all of these free toys.
37:07
They're playing, they're having fun.
37:08
It's a joyful moment. Everybody feels safe.
37:11
And then it's like, yeah, this horrific tragedy.
37:15
It's what if this were to happen in real life, I would be
37:19
horrified. OK, but I'm watching a movie
37:21
where I have already seen a child die once already.
37:23
So, but it reminded me of the unedited footage of a bear where
37:31
the kids go in and they see the mom has like presents and
37:34
they're all jumping around and happy.
37:35
And then she like bursts out from the present pile.
37:38
It was, I don't know. It's kind of funny seeing the
37:40
kids like, I'll be like, oh, I'll get a new toy.
37:43
And then all of a sudden it's just like, I don't know, Yeah,
37:47
it wasn't that bad for me. I just remember watching it in
37:50
the theater with our friends and like I could feel like because
37:53
they'd already seen it once and they wanted to see it again.
37:56
So and they knew we were going so they asked what Showtime and
37:59
they came with us And I like just I had both my hands over my
38:03
mouth after that happened and I could feel eyeballs on me and I
38:08
like Creek turn my head and they're both just staring at me
38:13
and at the same time they mouth. You can't do that.
38:19
Wait. Done.
38:21
It got done. So that added to the experience
38:24
for me, but. Yep.
38:26
OK. Absurd.
38:29
Well, one of the things is like, I it's hard to like, say
38:33
anything that Art does. This is absurd because he's
38:35
established such an absurd character already.
38:37
But you mentioned it before. The snow Angel and the blood
38:40
pile or the blood puddle? I love that that's.
38:43
Such a beautiful shot. I love that, too.
38:45
I love how he's eavesdropping on Mia and the boyfriend.
38:51
Yeah. And she's like, he's like, I
38:54
started to think you might want to fuck him.
38:55
And she's like, I don't want to fuck him.
38:57
And then he like, he's like, why?
38:59
Like he's like, oh, I'm so offended by it.
39:01
Yeah. I love the whole thing of him
39:03
that he was dropping and like hearing like he's hearing people
39:05
like actually like fan out about him a little bit, which is
39:08
interesting. And also the scene with I felt
39:12
called out because I have cosplayed is Art in front of
39:17
both Damian Leon and David Howard Thornton.
39:20
And that scene of the subway where the guy dresses Art gets
39:23
on in there. He's like, oh, dude, nice
39:25
costume. I was like, Oh my God.
39:27
Like the the I was that, you know what I mean?
39:30
Yeah, just like. I still love that picture of you
39:33
and a separate art as we were like walking up to the center.
39:37
Yeah, at the same time. That was really funny.
39:39
Yeah. But you know, like I could tell
39:42
that that came from like all the cons.
39:43
That they go to. OK, what are yours?
39:48
My absurd is the best driver at the end I need to talk to him
39:52
because that woman, as I discussed, is reading the 9th
39:56
circle, which is a little Easter egg, you know, and in reference
39:59
to to Damian Lyon short. So the best driver says I'm not
40:05
really into horror. I'll let gore and jump scares
40:07
and stuff. Not really into that.
40:09
I'm more of a ROM com guy myself.
40:13
Then. He says Frankenstein.
40:16
That's a classic. Sir, Sir, Sir.
40:22
Are you saying Frankenstein? Is it welcome?
40:27
Is this what we're establishing? Shit dude I was listening to.
40:33
I started an audio book today about screen writing and they
40:38
were identifying the different genres of movies and they used
40:43
Frankenstein as an example of one.
40:44
And I'm like, that doesn't make sense.
40:46
I can't remember. I think they called it like a
40:48
superhero movie. It's definitely science fiction
40:51
and it's also definitely horror very much like in the genre of
40:54
like existential horror. Yeah, but the definitions that
40:58
I'm saying right now not it's not like textbook superhero type
41:03
thing like it's like a like a story B thing like OK, here's
41:06
like. Oh, kind of like when we do the
41:08
bonus episodes of like, what genre is this movie really?
41:12
Kind of it's, I'll have to. They have like really
41:17
interesting names. It's for anybody curious, it's
41:22
called Save the Cat. Save the cat.
41:25
Oh, that's a reference to Alien Jonesy.
41:30
They explained it in the book. They said it's like something
41:32
like every scene has like a thing like save the cat where
41:36
you and establish like a character that you like because
41:39
they do something nice. So like, you know, like, oh,
41:42
this is somebody that I want to root for and follow up.
41:44
You first time you see them, Oh, they're like a hard ass.
41:46
They're like a security guard and they're doing their job, but
41:48
they also like on their way out, like, you know, do like a nice
41:51
thing, like save a cat or something.
41:53
Oh OK, yeah, so like they're a hard ass orderly that's not
41:56
going to be your friend, but they are going to leave you a
41:57
pack of dumb. Yes, exactly.
42:00
Yeah, but we're not rooting for Carlos.
42:03
I was rooting for Carlos. I mean, he was the one that was
42:07
not really paying attention to the Sharp store.
42:10
So yeah, that's a call back to last episode, everybody.
42:13
Go listen to it. Well, OK, so anyway, what are
42:17
we, ratings? Yeah.
42:19
We got off track for. A second.
42:22
I like this. I think this is probably my
42:26
favorite of the three. As of right now, I'm gonna give
42:31
this. What did I give the other ones?
42:33
I give them 10s. I probably gave them 10s.
42:35
I'll give this A10. I don't want to rank it lower
42:38
than the ones I've ranked before, so I got to make it a
42:42
10. Yeah, I'm fairly certain that I
42:44
gave Terefer to A10 because I fucking love that movie.
42:48
I fucking love this movie. I don't know if I could pick
42:50
which one is my favorite between the two.
42:53
It's hard. Well, this one for me.
42:56
I just like it. Just it comes together together.
43:01
It comes together so much better.
43:04
There we go. That's what I was together and
43:06
better it, it feels more complete, more confident, like
43:11
they have taken and they also had more money, but they just it
43:16
felt like they finally did it. Yeah, I know it really it
43:21
really. You can tell Damian is getting
43:24
better and better with every movie, and David and Lauren are
43:29
just phenomenal. Lauren's a force.
43:31
We need to be looking out for her because she is phenomenal.
43:35
I really do hope that she breaks out of these movies and goes on
43:39
to do bigger things too. I mean.
43:41
She's already got some upcoming projects announced.
43:43
Good. Yeah, I know that they're not
43:45
gonna be keeping these up forever.
43:46
I think I've heard that they've got maybe one or two more left.
43:49
Yes, I always say that. Yeah.
43:51
But you know, I understand wanting to move on to new things
43:54
too. Well, he's always had like a
43:56
planned arc with this, like he, like he's very much been telling
44:00
this story, you know, with, with Sienna versus art.
44:05
Yeah. Light versus dark, good versus
44:07
evil, you know? It's been going on for decades
44:09
at this point for. Him.
44:10
All that to say, I'm also gonna give it a 10.
44:11
So we was starting average of 10.
44:13
OK, cool. All right, so if you can hear,
44:16
we gotta go feed our pets real quick because Zoe's gonna bust
44:19
on the door and kill us if not. So we'll be right back.
44:23
So we open, it's a Christmassy house.
44:26
It's nighttime also. OK, sorry, just a thought.
44:30
I need to say right off the top. You know how in some Halloween
44:33
movies, there's like a lot of Jack O lanterns in each shot?
44:37
Like so many Jack O lanterns? Like an unrealistic amount of
44:41
Jack O lanterns? Like who is putting up all of
44:43
these Jack O lanterns? Like who has this much time?
44:45
Yes. Yeah, that's how I feel about
44:47
the Christmas decorations in this movie, cuz it's yeah,
44:49
everywhere. It's include in that dingy dive
44:51
bar. They don't have Pretty Little
44:53
Garland with lights intertwined going around all of the corners
44:56
and doorways. Yeah, you know, I mean, yeah,
44:59
it's like movie magic. And I wish that our place looked
45:03
as good as the places and everywhere we it looked as good
45:06
as the places in this movie. Like the fucking like white
45:10
situation at the frat house. Yeah, So insane.
45:13
Yeah. But yeah, that one I actually
45:16
believe they probably put like pledges up to like doing all
45:19
that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
45:20
But either way, it's yeah, it's it's amazing.
45:23
I love that we've. Been to dingy dive bars at
45:25
Christmas time. They're not decorated.
45:28
No that one. But I love it.
45:29
It does a good job of getting you in the Christmas mood with
45:33
this movie. Well, we start off very much.
45:36
We know it's Christmas time. Yes, we have a daughter, Juliet,
45:40
AKA Jules. She wakes her mom up, and she
45:43
says somebody's on the roof. Mom.
45:45
Jen puts her back to bed. And she was like, you know what?
45:48
It probably is. And it's probably 1 of Santa's
45:51
elves scouting the area because I got to check, make sure
45:53
everything's up to code. Yeah.
45:55
The kind of bullshit parents tell their kids to keep the
45:57
Santa magic alive. Yeah, I like it.
45:59
I dig it. Yeah.
46:01
It's good parenting right there. Yeah, and she asks very sweetly.
46:05
Can we set out cookies and milk for the elves?
46:07
How are you going to say no to that?
46:09
Got it. So she goes downstairs and sets
46:13
out cookies and milk, sees the front door is a jar and then
46:16
comes upstairs is mad at her husband because he left the door
46:20
unlocked again and she's like what?
46:23
She cared about her family safety.
46:24
By the way, your daughter thinks that an elf is going to eat some
46:27
cookies and milk downstairs, so take care of that in the
46:29
morning. I feel like she could have just
46:31
not put them out but whatever, it's fine.
46:33
Yeah, I mean, she could have a couple crumbs.
46:35
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, eat one, maybe.
46:37
Like you know, but you know they are.
46:41
Did you ever put out? Carrots for the reindeer.
46:45
No, my cousins came over and they had reindeer mix they
46:52
called it and they would just go out into our yard and just throw
46:55
shit. I never got it, wasn't ever part
46:59
of my family. I went along with it because I
47:01
didn't want to ruin it for them. But I'm like OK guys, thanks for
47:05
throwing food in our ER fuckers. Yeah, so he's grumpy.
47:13
He's gotta be up in three hours. I can't relate.
47:16
But also at the same time, like waking up and you realize you've
47:19
still got 3 hours before you have to wake up.
47:21
That's nice. That's like the time when I
47:23
wanna have to get up to pee. Yeah, unless you get that
47:26
feeling. Oh no, I'm not falling asleep
47:28
this time. Sometimes it'll happen and I'll
47:31
be like, oh God, it's probably like 4:30 or something and then
47:34
I'll look at my watch. It'll be like 11:45.
47:37
I'm. Like.
47:37
Man, is Travis even asleep yet? Like.
47:41
So oh, and she also heard some steps up on the roof too, but
47:45
she kind of just brushed them off.
47:46
So she goes back to sleep. And then meanwhile, the little
47:51
girl, Jules, yeah, decides to get up and take a peek
47:53
downstairs just in case there are any elves or Santa Clauses
47:57
down there. And she?
47:58
Sees somebody in a Santa suit so she goes to try to wake her
48:00
brother Timmy and he's like not now Juliet.
48:04
Which IMDb put a quote from the scene.
48:09
I miscredited her as Julia. Julia.
48:12
It's Julia. Yeah, Yeah.
48:14
Well, user submitted. Whatever, but yeah.
48:18
And he just, like, shrugs her off.
48:20
So she goes, and then she goes downstairs and then hides in the
48:25
kitchen. And then this is when you see
48:27
Art go and reach in the bag. And he pulls out an axe from the
48:31
bag instead of a present. So he starts to make his way
48:35
upstairs. It goes in the old Timmy's room,
48:37
flips on the light, and we hear. A lot of flesh squelching.
48:41
Yeah, he's like I told you, Jules, to get out of here.
48:43
Right out the gate you get a kid getting chopped up.
48:46
And then we go to Mark next. He's being hatcheted.
48:50
And Jennifer finally wakes up and she's like, what are you
48:52
doing? Why are you wet?
48:54
And then she, like, realizes there's blood on her and starts
48:57
screaming. And she screams at the kids to
49:01
run and she tries to run out. She closes the door behind her.
49:05
This is where we get a shining reference because he access
49:08
through the door and peeks his head through.
49:10
I had forgotten that that was happening, but I knew I was
49:12
like, you know what this is? I mean any time that this is set
49:15
up in. A war would be.
49:16
It doesn't. Yeah, I mean, you can't help
49:18
yourself. Yeah, so she runs to Timmy's
49:22
room and. We see body parts all over the
49:26
bedroom. I again, I can't imagine making
49:30
tiny little prosthetics like that.
49:31
That's gotta be kind of fuck you up a little bit doing it.
49:35
Yeah, no, it's really, really fucked up.
49:38
She runs to Juliet's room, finds it so open so she runs
49:42
downstairs, and she tries to get to the front door.
49:44
Ironically, she can't get it unlocked fast enough to get out,
49:47
and Art gets a hold of her. He does make sure that he chops
49:50
off her arm so she has one last horrifying thing to stare at
49:54
before he acts as her in the head.
49:55
Right in the head. Yep.
49:56
Oh my God, it's so good. Then he goes into the kitchen
49:59
and he has Santa, so he eats his milk and.
50:02
Cookie, he knows the rules, yeah.
50:04
And I want to point out he does eat and drink human food and
50:09
drinks. This is important later, OK.
50:13
Why is it important later? I'll bring it up when it's
50:16
important later, OK? OK.
50:19
And then, and then, because Art has his own weird set of values,
50:25
he washes the plate and cup. I love that.
50:27
That was so fun. Whenever I saw that, it's like,
50:30
you know, yeah. I mean, didn't he do that in the
50:32
second movie too? I wasn't he like doing the
50:35
dishes at one point like. No, he wore an apron to make
50:38
mashed potatoes. No in Casey's house.
50:41
No, he was just getting a glass of water from the sink.
50:43
OK. OK, yeah, I'm pretty sure he was
50:46
Ally. The actress's name is Casey.
50:48
I can never get her name. OK, I'm just gonna call her what
50:51
I know. So yeah, he starts eating the
50:54
cookies, and then he's just having a good time.
50:55
And then he hears a little noise in the cabinets down below.
50:58
So this is like fucking nightmare shit right here.
51:02
He goes down there, crouches down, opens up the cabinet door.
51:04
It's the little kid. Juliet.
51:07
She doesn't look scared, she just looks resigned to her fate.
51:10
I also want to point out this kid has a slick little Bob cut,
51:15
and I want to know if it was a decision on the part of like,
51:18
Damien or if her mom was like, fuck yeah, you're in a movie,
51:24
let's go get your hair cut right now because it's a fresh cut.
51:27
You think the parents know what kind of movie it is like, oh,
51:30
OK, like. I seem to have to know that was
51:32
one of the fun things too with the mall scene was in the behind
51:36
the scenes stuff like David Howard Thornton just being a
51:39
goof and taking pictures of the kids.
51:40
Oh, he went. Joking around with them, he's.
51:42
Like I wanted, I wanted to just let you guys know who I really
51:45
am before we do the scene. Like, I'm just a big goofball.
51:47
I'm not gonna be like an actual scary clown or anything like
51:50
that. Yeah, it was really sweet.
51:52
But man, yeah, this whole thing of him, just like he sees her
51:55
and then it just cuts back to the axe on the table and you
51:58
know he's about to grab it and then boom, title card.
52:02
Five years prior, we see a cop responding to.
52:05
The. Terrifier too, and it's.
52:07
Terrifier. Yes, he got an anonymous call.
52:11
I was going to say he responded to the terror fire, which is the
52:15
right. Yeah, they got an anonymous call
52:18
that there was the body of a man and potentially somebody else
52:22
armed and dangerous down there. So he's looking around.
52:25
He came to this knowing that there's potential for somebody
52:28
else. Still came alone.
52:29
Yeah. And.
52:31
Small town under staff, just like the medical staff of the
52:34
last movie that we discussed. So he sees the headless body of
52:39
art and he calls it in. And then he hears some shuffling
52:44
around. He says I'm not allowed to
52:45
please send back up. And he goes and peeks in the
52:48
hole. We're seeing it have been pushed
52:49
through, sees nothing, like there's no trace of her, her
52:52
sword or anything. And then he glances over, body's
52:56
gone. And then we see headless body
52:59
standing behind him. And then he just works on just
53:03
yanking that noggin straight off.
53:06
This is one of those things where when we first watched it,
53:10
I thought, this is a flashback. We're getting an art origin.
53:14
Yeah, I didn't realize that we were getting a time jump to
53:18
catch us up to 2020. Four, Well, not only that, but
53:21
it's just weird to wrap your head around.
53:23
Five years ago was the timeline in the movie that released in
53:26
2022? Yes, which was only two years
53:29
ago for us. So like, it was a lot of going
53:31
on. I'm like, wait, this doesn't
53:33
make. So is this what happened?
53:34
Like, he's like, does he just take over people's bodies?
53:37
Oh, no, this is just the ending of two.
53:39
Yeah. So yeah, he rips off his head
53:42
and then he takes it upon himself to go and.
53:46
He goes on the subway, he's holding the cops head on his
53:48
body the whole time and as a woman's just like staring at
53:51
him. And I think it's a really funny
53:53
scene. This is another one of the
53:54
things I forgot to mention from my absurd.
53:56
But like, art is just like, a patron of public transportation.
54:00
Yeah, and it's just so casual about it, this fucking bizarre
54:04
demon man. Listen, I wouldn't be surprised
54:07
if in his human life, though, he may have been a serial killer if
54:12
he wasn't a diligent taxpayer and didn't want to take
54:14
advantage of the public transit system that he helped fund.
54:18
Yeah, You know, I don't knock it.
54:20
It's just. Maybe Tax Day is one of the
54:22
holidays that Art the Clown celebrates.
54:24
Could be I just feel bad for all the other patrons.
54:27
It's got to be terrible. Well, he mostly seems to ride it
54:30
late at night when you just know you're going to run into some
54:33
characters anyway. That's true.
54:35
That's a good point. So we cut to the Miles County
54:40
Psychiatric Prison and we see that nurse from the end of the
54:46
last one being eaten by Vicki and Arts Head.
54:49
Chris Jericho, he gets a call about or he hears like some
54:53
screaming going down the hall, so he goes to investigate, opens
54:56
up the door. And then he responds and he sees
54:58
her and Vicki's like, please, he's making me do this.
55:01
And then she, like, starts cackling.
55:03
So we know. I almost felt believable there
55:05
too, for a second, and like maybe that was her last little
55:07
bit of humanity right there before she got possessed.
55:10
He looks down the hall. He sees his headless art just
55:12
waving at him. No, no Vicky pins.
55:14
Him up against the wall? Yeah.
55:15
Pins him against the wall. Art smooshes in his head.
55:18
And then we cut to Vicky and Art on the bus or subway again, and
55:25
I don't know if he caught those, but Art's head is duct tape to
55:29
his body. No, I didn't notice.
55:31
That I don't know how it. It actually like sews itself
55:35
back together, but it's duct taped in that scene.
55:38
Maybe that's what the hibernation process is for here.
55:40
The five, you need five years for it to be attached.
55:43
You know the thing that I cuz I was looking at his head here.
55:46
I'm like, oh, OK, so this is his head without the little flap,
55:50
like the little head cover that he always wears.
55:53
His ears are gross. He looks like a synabite.
55:56
Honestly, he looks like he belongs in the Hellraiser
55:59
universe. I could see that.
56:00
I read somewhere that supposedly Damian Leon has, like, been
56:05
making the mask, like, sharper and sharper, like on the
56:10
cheekbones and chins to make him look more and more gaunt as the
56:13
movie goes on. As the movies go on, yeah.
56:16
Interesting. I hadn't.
56:17
Noticed which if you pay attention to the differences
56:19
between like the first one and now, you can definitely see it.
56:23
Yeah, interesting. I didn't know if that was like,
56:25
stylistic choice or if that. I guess it's so intentional.
56:28
That's cool. Yeah.
56:29
But yeah, he just looks weird. And then we get a dude that is
56:32
dressed as the Miles County clown getting on the subway.
56:35
I'm guessing it's still Halloween.
56:37
It's still the night from Terrified, too.
56:39
And he compliments Art and Vicky on their costumes.
56:43
And they just kind of like stare at each other and just.
56:45
Like, and I like how this is taking place on the same night
56:48
when you know, Jana had said, Jonathan, don't do that.
56:53
That's incredibly disrespectful because those murders just
56:55
occurred a year ago. Yeah.
56:57
So I think that's funny. They go to this like abandoned
57:01
house and art's in a new costume and Vicki's got the cosplayer's
57:06
horn so it's very much presumed that they killed him and took
57:09
his costume in horn. I didn't catch that.
57:13
That makes sense. Yeah, she's like getting on his
57:16
nerves. I like that.
57:18
I like that there's somebody too much for Art, even where he
57:21
like, hand waves her away. He spent the whole last movie
57:24
with a little pale girl and didn't have any issues but Vicki
57:29
too much for him. But Vicki goes to the bathroom
57:32
and she is kind of upset about basically the loss of her life
57:40
as she knew it. Smashes her face and the wall,
57:42
climbs into the tub and takes the mirror Shard and cuts her
57:47
wrist. That would be very confusing for
57:48
Talia, cuz she's just repeating pretty girl, pretty girl, pretty
57:51
girl. She's bashing her face.
57:52
That's what we call Italia. Yeah.
57:54
So yeah, Talia's got feelings about this movie.
57:59
And then Art does Billy and just sits in the chair.
58:04
Big I clocked this the first time we want to this is such a
58:07
black Christmas reference. Big old rocking chair in the
58:09
attic right at the window. I love that he just goes there,
58:13
sits down and he just freezes. So now.
58:17
Present Day Present day, we're at Sunny Valley.
58:19
It's an inpatient facility and Uncle Greg is there to pick up
58:23
Sienna on the way home. He tells her that her cousin
58:26
Gabby is very excited to see her, has missed her a lot.
58:30
She's all she talks about and is very artistic like her, which we
58:35
get some glimpses of that, so I think that's cool.
58:37
Yeah, so they make it there to the house and Gabby is like our
58:43
nieces and nephews whenever we get into the house.
58:45
And it's me like, hey, let me go show you this.
58:46
Let's go do this, this, this, this, and here's.
58:49
The itinerary of everything we need to do, and we need to do it
58:51
all at the same time. Yeah.
58:52
And then the parents are like, hold on, Gabby, let her get
58:55
established, you know, maybe settle in and then we can maybe
58:58
do things. But then they immediately go
59:00
upstairs and she shows Sienna the room that they're going to
59:04
let her stay in and she is decorated for Sienna.
59:06
Yeah. Which is really.
59:08
Sweet. Yeah, that is really sweet.
59:09
She's like, I know you like drag Dragons and Wizards and stuff.
59:12
That'll be like nerd shit, so here's some.
59:14
Nerd stuff up on the wall. For you.
59:17
So now we're back at Art's house.
59:19
This is Art's house, right? Yes, and we get some Texas
59:23
Chainsaw Massacre esque music and this, you know the little
59:26
stings that they do. Yeah, they we get this a lot
59:30
throughout the movie, but I noticed it heavily here.
59:33
Yeah, I could. OK, that's cool.
59:34
Good catch. So we get some demolition
59:37
workers that are going to go. I call them the demo duo.
59:40
The demo duo there we go and they are about to tear down this
59:43
house obviously and they are splitting up but before they do
59:48
so, the. Dennis is scared.
59:50
Yeah. And Jackson's like, tell me you
59:52
don't believe those stories. And he's like, what stories?
59:54
He's like, well, supposedly in the 90s there was this killer
59:58
who liked to abduct and kill children, and he buried the
1:00:00
bodies in this basement. Yeah, brought them to the house
1:00:03
to kill them there. And the guy's like, oh, you're
1:00:07
fucking with me, right? He's like, of course I'm fucking
1:00:09
with you. But I wonder, that's gotta be
1:00:12
real, right? Yeah, I think this was actually
1:00:14
Art's house when he was like a serial killing clown.
1:00:16
Yeah, that's what dude, that makes this so much darker.
1:00:19
Like, not cuz, but beforehand we didn't know.
1:00:23
Yeah. We just thought maybe it was
1:00:24
like a manifestation that just kind of came up as a demon.
1:00:27
No, his SO some of this is explained in this movie a little
1:00:32
bit better than in past movies, but in past movies you had to
1:00:35
have like paid attention to the director's commentary and
1:00:39
whatnot. So it he's a demon that
1:00:42
possessed art when he died at the end of the first terror fire
1:00:46
movie and that's why he came back to life in the Mortuary
1:00:49
cause the demon possessed him. Oh, that's not explained at all
1:00:54
in any of the movies. No, no, no, Jonathan kind of
1:00:57
like they give Jonathan some like demonology letters that he
1:01:00
writes to Sienna and they give a little bit of lip service to in
1:01:03
the movie. But that's kind of why I think
1:01:05
because a lot of people are like, I don't understand this
1:01:07
lore at all. And so they're like, this is
1:01:08
what happened, people. Can you imagine?
1:01:10
Dude? He has really no grasp.
1:01:12
This right here. I mean, the demon took him over
1:01:14
the demon like, OK Damian. But yeah, so he was like just a
1:01:21
real man through the events of the first terror fire.
1:01:24
OK, interesting. And Sienna also is now
1:01:27
supernatural after dying in the end of Terror Fire too.
1:01:31
I know that she's supernatural now, but I wasn't sure that she
1:01:35
like actually died and resurrected.
1:01:36
Too. Yes, the Clown Cafe was supposed
1:01:39
to be her test from the Fort, from the forces of From Beyond
1:01:42
that chose her to be arts like rival.
1:01:46
I love the war here but I feel. Like he's not explained.
1:01:50
He's got to do a better job of doing this shit on screen.
1:01:53
Yeah, it's very much in his head.
1:01:55
He needs, he needs like somebody to help edit his script and then
1:01:59
edit the movie to be like, we need somebody that's not in your
1:02:02
head, Damien, to make sure that this is like.
1:02:04
Again, they're like, understand Damien?
1:02:06
So why this, like the demon dude, do you not get at this
1:02:09
page right here? He dubbed the thing like, yeah,
1:02:12
okay, yeah, in this head it makes perfect sense, I'm sure.
1:02:17
So CNN Gabby are unpacking and CNN sees a picture of her and
1:02:22
her dad when she was a lot younger.
1:02:24
That's the whole thing with her dad is so weird.
1:02:26
Too. Yeah, we get a flashback to the
1:02:28
dad showing illustrations. I guess he's like a comic book
1:02:31
illustrator. Seems that way he's got posters
1:02:33
of what I'm assuming are his works.
1:02:35
Yeah, Blaster man especially. Blaster Man Yeah, what a lame
1:02:39
generic ass superhero blaster. Man, that is definitely like AD
1:02:43
level superhero. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
1:02:46
Yeah. So he's showing her the latest
1:02:49
drawings and she's upset. She was like you said, you were
1:02:51
going to draw a girl character. And he goes, well, I got plenty
1:02:53
of girl characters and she's like, I met a girl superhero.
1:02:57
Women being like killed. And I got it right here.
1:03:00
She's being abducted. She's not doing it, you know?
1:03:02
She's like dying, but you know. That's Damian Leon being like,
1:03:06
listen guys, I write female characters.
1:03:09
I feel like this is like a meta commentary on his own
1:03:13
progression writing women. Character he gives people,
1:03:16
people that complain about the whole at the crack of dawn scene
1:03:19
like the male version of that waiter in this movie.
1:03:24
So yeah. And then he's like, you know
1:03:26
what? OK, fine.
1:03:26
I promise I'll make you a girl superhero.
1:03:29
It will happen once I finish this project.
1:03:32
Gabby is reading Sienna's Ari and Sienna takes it back and
1:03:36
she's like, this is just where I like write down my thoughts and
1:03:38
they are private. So we cut back to the demo duo.
1:03:42
Dennis finds art in the attic and at first he thinks maybe
1:03:45
it's fake and then he's thinking maybe it's not and he calls for
1:03:48
Jackson. But Jackson has just found Vicki
1:03:50
in the tub, and she is not as rotten.
1:03:57
As she should be. Should be more rotten.
1:03:59
Yeah, I like, I like Art's face here the way that it's frozen.
1:04:05
I wonder like, I mean, they had to, but like, he did a great job
1:04:10
keeping still. Yes, because I was looking.
1:04:13
I was like, is he, is there any movement here?
1:04:16
But he was frozen solid. And they showed him sitting in
1:04:19
the chair and being, yeah, with the cobwebs.
1:04:21
So we know it was him. Yeah, yeah, it was super
1:04:23
impressive. And then I like the thing with
1:04:25
Vicki. You can tell that she's alive
1:04:26
because before when she walked into the bathroom, the lights
1:04:29
kind of glow whenever she gets there.
1:04:31
And then right here, like the lights start going again with
1:04:33
the guy right there. Yeah, so this is supposed to be
1:04:35
the the entity that was the little pale girl in the last
1:04:39
movie. The entity has now moved into
1:04:40
Vicki since she recently passed. It took her over when that
1:04:44
happened. Yes, OK, I figured that much.
1:04:47
Else yeah, so she stabs Jackson as he is like trying to bend
1:04:52
down and check on her and then goes and joins Art as he is
1:04:57
throwing Dennis and then biting his fingers off and ripping his
1:05:01
face apart. And she does what has now been
1:05:06
the glasturbation scene. This I have a Co worker who big
1:05:12
fan of these movies. He brought I think his sister to
1:05:15
this and this scene happened where she masturbates with a
1:05:19
Shard of glass as this is happening and his sister's like
1:05:22
I gotta go to the bathroom and she went to the bathroom and
1:05:25
never came back. So yeah.
1:05:29
However, I'm also going to say that I think this might be kind
1:05:32
of a loose homage to The Exorcist where she is stabbing
1:05:37
the crucifix. Yeah, I could see that.
1:05:40
So. It's a gnarly scene, Yeah.
1:05:43
Even art is like whoa. Art's like.
1:05:46
Whoa, He did the thing you pointed out to me.
1:05:48
He does. A shame.
1:05:48
Yeah, yeah. You were like, what is that
1:05:50
hand? Sign me, you know.
1:05:52
Yeah, he's just like brushing his finger and was like, was
1:05:54
this? That was the thing we did to
1:05:55
everybody in middle school. Really.
1:05:57
Shame. Shame.
1:05:57
I don't remember that. I liked it.
1:05:58
It's a nice little flare. Oh yeah.
1:06:00
It's like, shame on you. But it was like a cheeky like
1:06:04
you. Little rasp.
1:06:05
Yeah, yeah, I they put so much care, like he has so much
1:06:10
character to him in this, and I think it's fun.
1:06:13
It's nice having Vicki like so he has a talking sidekick.
1:06:17
Yeah. And I think it was necessary
1:06:19
after 2 movies and not having a lot of shit explained, to have
1:06:22
somebody be like, all right, we're going to give a little
1:06:23
narration. Yeah, it helps to have somebody
1:06:25
vocal at least. And plus, I read somewhere that
1:06:29
Damian Leon was kind of upset he didn't get to really develop
1:06:34
Victoria very much, so instead of killing her off like he'd
1:06:39
originally planned, he decided to make her a part of this.
1:06:43
Movie. It makes sense, really.
1:06:45
I like. I like the way it's all tied
1:06:46
together here. Yeah, so.
1:06:49
So now it's dinner time at the family house.
1:06:52
Sienna is they're eating Chinese food.
1:06:56
And then she's starting to get visions of Brooke.
1:06:58
Brooke, who is all bloody. Yeah, And her chest is broken
1:07:03
open, like it was very much when she was murdered.
1:07:06
And she's saying pass the rice, pass the rice.
1:07:08
She's like, come on, I'm dead because of you.
1:07:10
We're all dead because of you. Your mom's dead because of you.
1:07:12
The least you could do is. Pass the rice.
1:07:15
And Sienna is like, just trying to be very calm and collected.
1:07:18
And at one point she kind of Mumbles and they're like, what?
1:07:21
And she's like, excuse me, please, and runs off to the
1:07:24
bathroom. So we come over to Jonathan who
1:07:28
is now in college, and he walks in on his roommate making out
1:07:32
with the girl. This is Cole and Mia, and I'm
1:07:36
saying these names now because Travis won't ever say these
1:07:39
names. He couldn't remember these names
1:07:40
and he's referred to Cole as the boyfriend multiple times.
1:07:43
I have said Mia every time this yes episode.
1:07:48
I keep forgetting Cole though, I'll give you that.
1:07:51
So they she starts nurting out on Jonathan because she
1:07:55
recognizes that hey, it's the fucking kid from the clown
1:07:59
thing. So do.
1:08:00
You think do you think she started dating Cole just to get
1:08:04
close? I was just thinking that before
1:08:06
you even said that It's this woman is like calculated with
1:08:10
all of her shit. Can I just say though, like her
1:08:13
weird obsession with Jonathan and how uncomfortable it makes
1:08:16
him, I wonder if he ever thinks back to Sienna talking about how
1:08:21
disrespectful it is to the families of the victims to dress
1:08:24
up as the killer. I wonder if he hears that
1:08:27
conversation in his head all the time.
1:08:28
I just God damn she's right. I just imagine he just says to
1:08:32
himself, I deserve this. That's why he's like, maybe,
1:08:37
maybe I'll do your fucking podcast.
1:08:38
Yeah, He's like, he plays it cool.
1:08:40
He's like, yes, you know, like. Yeah, OK.
1:08:42
And listen, they say that actually see that because in
1:08:45
this thing, he's like, dude, Mia, like, leave him alone.
1:08:48
He doesn't want to talk about that.
1:08:50
That shit was fucked up. He's just being playful with
1:08:52
Cole. He's like, yeah.
1:08:53
You treat me like shit, you know, big buddy type behavior
1:08:57
right there. But no, they're they're
1:08:58
definitely tight. Yeah, yeah.
1:09:00
It seems like he's looking after Jonathan.
1:09:02
Yeah. Sienna calls him.
1:09:05
And she's just, like, I miss you.
1:09:07
Yeah. She's like, yeah.
1:09:08
Are you going to come over to like, hang out?
1:09:10
Like early for the, for Christmas, for Christmas.
1:09:13
He's like, Oh no, I'm actually invited to a party tonight.
1:09:15
I got to go do that instead. And she's like, Oh my God,
1:09:17
you're actually getting invited to parties?
1:09:18
Holy shit. OK, go do that, please.
1:09:21
Gabby comes and checks in on her.
1:09:23
And Sienna just, you know, she's just like, oh, you know, I'm
1:09:26
just on these new meds and they made me queasy, so I had to
1:09:29
excuse myself. Which is, I mean, it's a.
1:09:34
Lie, but it's an H friendly lie instead of being like I'm having
1:09:37
traumatic hallucinations with my dead friend that got murdered in
1:09:40
front of me. Yeah, I mean, you pick your time
1:09:42
to. Divulge that information.
1:09:44
Not the time right now. So we see Art, he's at his house
1:09:48
and he is working on new tools to do some killing with, this
1:09:52
time specifically liquid nitrogen, which he tests.
1:09:55
On a rat and I'm just calling it Jason X Yeah, I felt bad for
1:10:01
the. Pack of rats that he tosses the
1:10:04
carcass to. That was cruel.
1:10:06
Yeah, I kind of felt bad for Vicky too, because she.
1:10:09
Made friends with the rats. She liked her, but she she
1:10:11
didn't care. She she could have stopped him,
1:10:14
but she didn't. So we now see Santa's at a bar
1:10:19
and Santa is drinking. He's getting all of the ladies
1:10:23
and that is getting all of the Quinn Howard's in the house.
1:10:26
Really, really jealous. He's like having a running
1:10:30
commentary. On what is happening as this is
1:10:33
going God like talking about how he wishes he had pretty lady
1:10:36
sitting on his lap and he's just I listen I understand your
1:10:41
complaints with Clint Howard's death in this, but he was
1:10:44
cracking me up the whole time because literally everything
1:10:46
somebody said he agreed with even if it was a direct
1:10:49
contradiction to his last statement.
1:10:51
I don't I don't have a problem. I think it's in the scene at
1:10:53
all. I.
1:10:53
Love him in the scene I. Just I do have.
1:10:55
A problem with how the death was handled.
1:10:57
But yeah, so he's funny. Art's walking through and he
1:11:01
sees in the window. Santa and he I don't know what
1:11:06
percentage of. Our.
1:11:07
Audience overlaps with the audience for ELF, but it's very
1:11:11
much your buddy seeing hearing that Santa is going to be at the
1:11:15
department store. Yeah, that's his reaction, the
1:11:17
MIME version of that he runs in as.
1:11:20
The women are leaving and. He's like knocks that get out of
1:11:24
the way, ladies. I got to see Santa Claus.
1:11:27
And I like that the Bart Turner's like, all right, we're
1:11:29
getting. Rid of this freak.
1:11:30
And I like that this guy takes his Santa work very seriously.
1:11:34
He's like, I'm in the suit. If the guy wants the Santa
1:11:37
experience, he gets the same experience.
1:11:40
It's like Elvis. I got to do it to everybody.
1:11:42
Everybody gets the real deal, so he invites them over.
1:11:45
Art is like fanboying out and he's like pointing at the Santa.
1:11:47
He's like, yeah, yeah, it's me, I'm Santa.
1:11:50
So he says he he's going to buy him a drink.
1:11:54
Speaking of drinks, we got to Sienna and.
1:11:56
Jess and they're. Drinking some cocoa together.
1:12:00
Sienna has just had like a fun little makeup sesh with Gabby,
1:12:03
so having a little bit of fun together.
1:12:05
And then she has adult time with her mom's sister and they talk
1:12:09
about Barb. They reminisce.
1:12:11
They say she was a good person. She was so easy to talk to.
1:12:14
Swore like a truck driver one time.
1:12:17
Called one of the sisters at their school a cunt.
1:12:20
Yeah, stressed out mom of sorts. Yeah.
1:12:25
Yep. And just, you know, Santa just
1:12:29
says it feels good to be somewhere on Christmas and feel
1:12:32
kind of normal right now. Yeah.
1:12:34
And it's kind of heartbreaking hearing her say it like that.
1:12:37
Yeah. That's sad.
1:12:38
So we. Come back over to the bar and
1:12:41
Santa's ordered shots for everybody, the bartender
1:12:44
demands. ID Yeah.
1:12:47
And they're like, seriously. And he goes, I'm not losing my
1:12:49
license over this clown. So he takes out Maurice
1:12:52
Jackson's wallet. I love how he's just like, he's
1:12:55
like. Rolling his eyes, like, OK,
1:12:57
fine, if I must, he just throws a whole wallet down, like, all
1:13:00
right, Maurice. So they do their shots.
1:13:06
And This is why I pointed out it's.
1:13:08
Not like an. Evil entity thing that he can't
1:13:10
eat human food or drink. It's that he's probably never
1:13:14
drank alcohol, yes. So he.
1:13:16
Spits it in. Santa's face.
1:13:18
Clint Howard initially laughs. Then the bartender and Santa are
1:13:22
both mad. And then he goes, yeah, man, a
1:13:25
guy buys you a drink and he spit it in space.
1:13:27
Yeah, it's it's a little rude. And not only that.
1:13:30
He. Then looks and he just like
1:13:31
gives Santa this big smile and he starts peeing on his lap.
1:13:35
That reminds me of one time Natalie was a puppy.
1:13:38
I had the day off from work and I was like, I'll probably do
1:13:40
laundry later today. This is when we lived in an
1:13:43
apartment complex. We had to take our laundry to a
1:13:46
laundry room across the apartment complex, which meant
1:13:49
putting it all up in the car, driving, you know, it was a
1:13:52
whole thing. And I was like, but I'll worry
1:13:55
about that later this afternoon. And.
1:13:57
Taya jumps up on the bed and she looks at me and then peed on my
1:14:00
pillow, wagging her little. Dumb tail the entire.
1:14:05
Time. Probably with the same smile.
1:14:07
Yep. So they freak.
1:14:09
Out and they. Toss them over.
1:14:11
There, and they're in the verge of getting them kicked out.
1:14:13
Listen, why are people in this movie so bad?
1:14:16
At throwing art out of places, because this is the same move
1:14:20
the security guard uses at the mall.
1:14:22
They like you're out of here pal, but they just shove him
1:14:25
slightly in a different direction within the building.
1:14:28
Generally with people you don't have to actually.
1:14:30
Pick them up and throw them out of the building.
1:14:32
They usually take the hint, but Art is a whole other beast.
1:14:36
So he goes over there by the fireplace and he starts digging
1:14:39
in his bag, which gets the bartender pissed off.
1:14:41
So he goes over there to try and actually do that, kick him out
1:14:44
even further, but has a gun. And then he shoots him right in
1:14:47
the head. Yeah.
1:14:49
And then Quinn Howard also gets shot in the head.
1:14:51
Smokey, we found out, is his nickname Smokey?
1:14:54
Yeah. So he's dead and then?
1:14:56
He goes over to Santa, holds him up and Santa's like you up.
1:15:00
He's like we're in the same. Business, right?
1:15:02
Like we make people smile. You're a clown.
1:15:05
I think you're fucking funny. He keeps calling him Clowny the
1:15:09
entire. Time.
1:15:10
And in the most sincere way, it's like, all right.
1:15:12
Clowny, please, you don't. Have to do this, Clowny.
1:15:14
Come on, man. It's Maurice.
1:15:16
Yeah. You already know his name.
1:15:18
Yeah. So yeah, he.
1:15:21
Just robes him and ties him. Up and then he tortures him with
1:15:24
his liquid nitrogen sprayer and holy shit these are brutal.
1:15:28
He gets his. Arm and then he gets his shin.
1:15:31
I think this is worse than a chainsaw.
1:15:33
He Yeah, this is pretty. Fucking bad, yeah.
1:15:35
And then he takes. The hammer and he just bashes
1:15:37
them and then it's just like, oh, everything is just like
1:15:40
busting open and then he sprays his face and he rips his.
1:15:44
Beard off because the Santa told him not a real Santa without a
1:15:48
beard cuz he was talking to his beard before and he's.
1:15:51
Like that's attached, man, yeah. So we cut to Greg and dress
1:15:56
sitting in bed, and Greg says that he thinks Sophie really
1:15:58
brought some life back to CNN. You know, she seems kind of
1:16:02
happy for the first time in a while.
1:16:04
Sophie. You mean Gabby?
1:16:08
Who's Sophie? That's what Gabby.
1:16:12
Looks like in my. Notes Yeah.
1:16:13
Gabby. Yeah.
1:16:15
So he he says that Gabby. They like really connected.
1:16:19
It made both of them happy to be around each other the entire
1:16:22
time. But then he's also like, but we
1:16:24
gotta keep an eye out on her, you know, you never know.
1:16:26
She, she's something like about her, just a little bit unhinged.
1:16:29
Still, he's very worried. Like it's not the unhinged.
1:16:32
But he's like, you know, what if this episode at dinner is just
1:16:37
indicative of some other stuff brewing still, like you just
1:16:40
need to keep an eye on her. And then Jess is like, well,
1:16:41
they're going shopping tomorrow and he's like alone.
1:16:44
Yep, Yep. Really.
1:16:46
So she. Agrees.
1:16:47
She's like, OK. We'll keep an eye on.
1:16:48
Her in the diary. Santa is writing.
1:16:52
She says it's her first time here in two years, so it's been
1:16:54
about two years since she's been at Aunt Jess's and she reads
1:17:00
through some of. The old letters.
1:17:01
From Jonathan, this is terrible. This is how.
1:17:04
And they're like, oh. Jonathan figured everything out.
1:17:07
This is the exposition that we needed for the movie.
1:17:10
Look, I love this movie, but this is just bad if this is how
1:17:12
you're telling the story, Jonathan.
1:17:14
Jonathan becomes a fucking demiologist or something.
1:17:17
Demonologist I just. I'm just.
1:17:21
When you study the Demi. Weenies.
1:17:23
But for real, it's just. Bad.
1:17:25
That's bad writing. I'm sorry but I I hate this.
1:17:29
I How the fuck does he know they had to get the story out there
1:17:32
somehow? So you know it's an improvement.
1:17:34
Besides, read Damian Leone's mind.
1:17:37
Have a third party. I'm not buying Jonathan being.
1:17:40
This fucking demon expert suddenly, Yeah, it doesn't make
1:17:43
any sense. So it kind of tracks from his
1:17:46
character. Cuz he like studied serial
1:17:48
killers and Nazis in the second movie so.
1:17:52
So naturally he goes to demons, I mean.
1:17:56
I mean, they're both. Terrible.
1:17:57
Slippery a slope? They're, you know.
1:18:00
You're right about there. Yeah.
1:18:02
It's just all I, I. I don't care for that.
1:18:05
So at the mall, Gabby. Tells.
1:18:08
Sienna, that Jonathan's no longer into the black or death
1:18:11
metal. And then it was probably just a
1:18:12
phase, not a phase. And then the Muzak, I loved this
1:18:18
moment in a theater because the Muzak turns into the Clown Cafe
1:18:21
song. And at first I was like, why
1:18:23
does this song sound familiar? And I was trying to place it
1:18:25
before the lyrics started coming in.
1:18:28
And you're like, oh, so I thought that was really slick.
1:18:30
Really. Well, that's cool.
1:18:32
I like before that we got a clip.
1:18:34
Of the mall Santa doing his mall duty work.
1:18:36
And then we get the alpha there. I complain by saying yeah, it's
1:18:39
better than Louisville. Suck it, Louisville.
1:18:42
That's right, Lexington. Wins.
1:18:45
And they did say Louisville correctly.
1:18:46
No they didn't, they said. Louisville.
1:18:48
They didn't say Louisville. They they it was like a.
1:18:50
Mishmash of the two they. Tried.
1:18:52
They tried to do it accurately, but they they've still failed.
1:18:55
They made an attempt at it, which is better than Louisville.
1:18:57
Yeah, that's fair. Either way.
1:18:59
So I get. Louisville, so she.
1:19:02
Sees a a. Santa walk by and he's wearing a
1:19:06
mask, kind of looks at her. They make eye contact and he
1:19:10
waves. And then Gabby approaches and is
1:19:12
like, are you OK? And she's like, yeah, yeah,
1:19:15
let's go. Yeah.
1:19:17
And you can definitely tell it's art.
1:19:18
Because got some blood on him and also got the hand gloves.
1:19:23
Yep, Yep. So we cut to Jonathan.
1:19:25
He's. Like school cafeteria I guess.
1:19:29
And he is watching Graven image that is Mia's podcast.
1:19:34
The Co host believes Sienna is guilty and did it all and that
1:19:37
the only reason she isn't in jail is because Jonathan
1:19:39
testified on her behalf. So fucking trashy.
1:19:42
I hate these people and. Mia's defending.
1:19:44
She's like, there's so many holes in the story.
1:19:46
That you're you've come up with. But Sienna calls and interrupts
1:19:50
so we don't get to hear the rest of Mia's argument, so they meet
1:19:55
up. Sienna asked Jonathan if he will
1:19:59
stay with them but again he's like I gotta go to the party.
1:20:02
So Cole and Mia pop up and then Cole was instantly like God
1:20:06
sorry well let me go man. But then Mia is like no, no, no,
1:20:09
let me sit here and insert myself, Cole.
1:20:12
At first didn't think. About it in terms of Mia,
1:20:15
because at first he's just like, here's my friend Jonathan.
1:20:18
Oh, this is your sister. Here's a totally normal thing
1:20:21
people do where they meet their roommates, family.
1:20:23
And he was like, hi, I take care of him.
1:20:25
Like, he's my own little brother.
1:20:26
And Jonathan's like, you treat me like shit.
1:20:28
He's like, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
1:20:30
And having fun and it's a good time.
1:20:32
And then Mia comes over and ruins everything.
1:20:37
God, she's so insufferable. I fucking hate.
1:20:40
Her as a character for all the reasons they write her as a
1:20:44
hateable person, yes, and also she doesn't know the five.
1:20:47
Year anniversary because we are five years later and we're a
1:20:50
couple months past Halloween, so it is past the five year
1:20:54
anniversary. She's asking for all of this
1:20:57
going on and on and on, just rambling, has barely even said
1:21:00
hello to CNR. Let Sienna get a word in
1:21:03
edgewise. And then she was like, you know,
1:21:04
just so many people know how you're coping.
1:21:06
And she's like, OK, well, I've been in and out of psychiatric
1:21:08
facilities for the past five years.
1:21:09
I'm covered in hideous scars. I see hallucinations of my dead
1:21:12
friend, family and friends. And on the nights I do actually
1:21:14
sleep, I'm having nightmares of everything that happened.
1:21:17
And you leeches are all the same.
1:21:20
I you know, the way that she. Delivers.
1:21:23
This I get a hint of Barb like they're like slamming your hands
1:21:27
down on the table. Like I get like.
1:21:28
She got that from. Her mom right there.
1:21:30
Yeah. You know what?
1:21:31
This is where you want the Barb spirit though.
1:21:33
Yeah, for sure, Yeah, Barb was stressed out when?
1:21:36
It was appropriate to be stressed.
1:21:37
Out Sienna is she has kept calm around her family who just wants
1:21:41
to support her this and then this person who wants to exploit
1:21:45
her she's like fuck you this right here she.
1:21:49
Took all of the. What the fuck?
1:21:51
Jonathan's and bottled him into this moment and pointed at Mia.
1:21:55
She took every instance of Barb. Going.
1:21:58
Sienna. Yeah, yeah.
1:22:03
It was perfect. So yeah, that kind of, you know,
1:22:05
shuts everybody up right there. And then she takes Jonathan or
1:22:09
she storms out Jonathan Fox, like, hey, what the fuck was
1:22:11
that about? And she's like, hey, I saw him.
1:22:13
He's at the mall, pretty sure it was him.
1:22:17
So you should definitely come and be with us for the rest of
1:22:20
this time. And he says that we need to move
1:22:22
on. And she's like, oh.
1:22:23
Big Mr. Academic now and he's like, at least I'm trying.
1:22:27
And that kind of like snaps her. She's like, you think you're too
1:22:30
fucking good for me, and then she's like.
1:22:31
Oh, actually that was really shitty for me to do.
1:22:34
But then she starts talking about the letters that he'd.
1:22:36
Originally written when he was back into the demonology stuff
1:22:39
and then he was like, well, if you really think this, then you
1:22:43
need the sword. So she's got a they all right
1:22:48
Say here, Vic. Is the host of the demon they
1:22:51
all right say right here yes, and that you know she was.
1:22:56
Basically, the summary that they give is that demonology and
1:22:59
possession. A demon possesses a recently
1:23:02
passed spirit of somebody who's evil, somebody like a mass
1:23:05
serial killer, a mass murderer. Sienna was chosen as kind of a
1:23:08
counterpoint to that demon, and their dad was pushed to create
1:23:13
the weapon that would be used against him.
1:23:16
The demon, Well, they had all that figured out early.
1:23:20
If it was back when she was a child, well, they didn't have it
1:23:25
figured out. When she was a child, it was
1:23:26
just the whatever the forces that were knew the demon was
1:23:29
coming or whatever. It's not that Jonathan knew that
1:23:33
back. Then no.
1:23:34
No, I'm saying like the angels like.
1:23:36
Sienna was tested as an adult to do that, but they're like, oh,
1:23:39
but we're already going to set you up for it here, I guess.
1:23:43
So there's an alley oop right there.
1:23:45
They ooped her. We cut back to the mall Santa
1:23:48
area. Except the mall Santa has gone
1:23:50
on break. Bill.
1:23:51
Bill is his name and Art comes out and he wants his moment in
1:23:56
the sun and he like beckons some children in that are like
1:24:00
waiting patiently in line. They cut through the rope and
1:24:03
they come up and he's giving toys.
1:24:05
Some of these toys came from the house in the cold open, like one
1:24:11
of the. Dolls for sure.
1:24:12
They, like lingered. On I didn't notice that Yes,
1:24:14
catch and one of the one of the. Toys.
1:24:17
Is a stuffed possum and the way he tosses it and a kid is very
1:24:21
similar to how he tosses it and Jonathan in the second.
1:24:23
I didn't notice that. That's so cool.
1:24:26
I love. This whole scene though, this is
1:24:28
legitimately creepy. Whenever I see him sitting up at
1:24:31
that like chair and then like motioning for the kids to come
1:24:35
over, it's fucking creepy. And the parents, once they start
1:24:38
paying attention, are rightfully.
1:24:40
Horrified. And yeah, I like how the mom is
1:24:43
like. What's my?
1:24:45
Daughter doing over there with that Santa.
1:24:47
He's creeping my kid out and then he's like, yeah, he's
1:24:49
creeping me out too. So they get security and
1:24:52
security again. Shoves him slightly.
1:24:56
Farther away from. Where he was the more forcefully
1:24:59
stay out, yeah, and get. And.
1:25:02
A little boy. Opens his.
1:25:03
Present which is above. Yep.
1:25:08
And it goes off and it kills everybody.
1:25:10
There and here's The thing, is that in the in the?
1:25:13
Movie In the moment, I knew something bad was going to
1:25:16
happen. I didn't know what was going to
1:25:18
happen. That explosion caught me off
1:25:20
guard completely. I had a feeling I was like, you
1:25:23
know what this almost seems? Like we're getting set up for
1:25:25
these to be like exploding toys that they have here.
1:25:28
I didn't expect it to be one soul bomb in the bag, but yeah,
1:25:32
it seemed like it was going in that direction.
1:25:34
So yeah, big old death. This is gonna sound weird, but
1:25:38
it makes me think of the. End of Mockingjay when the bomb
1:25:43
is dropped, when the medics are like going to help the kids.
1:25:46
That's probably what he's referencing.
1:25:48
In this right here. All the movie references here,
1:25:52
he's like, I got The Shining, I got Black Christmas.
1:25:55
Here's the thing though. Hunger Games, Dan Collins wrote
1:25:58
those as like real life, like political.
1:26:00
Allegories, basically, and I think it's interesting that
1:26:03
those movies are PG13 and also depicts children dying by a
1:26:06
bomb. Yeah, nobody was freaking out
1:26:09
there. Exactly where?
1:26:10
Were the Christian moms protesting?
1:26:12
Mockingjay, I'm sure you get one get one clown dressed as sand
1:26:16
and. He doesn't.
1:26:17
Oh my God, we lose our shit. I wouldn't be shocked if The
1:26:20
Hunger Games. Ends up on a banned book list in
1:26:22
2025. Really.
1:26:24
Well, OK, let's not talk about that.
1:26:25
Right now, OK. So.
1:26:32
I. My next note is Jonathan.
1:26:34
Tantrums. And that's funny to me because I
1:26:37
just think of Talia's tantrums where she gets on the couch and
1:26:40
she's like, knocks off her blanket, knocks, yeah, knocks
1:26:42
pillows down. She's like, take that.
1:26:44
That's essentially the energy that Jonathan has when he's
1:26:46
like. In his room he just like takes
1:26:48
his blankets and just throws him around and he throws shit around
1:26:51
his desk and stuff like that, I wrote.
1:26:53
Jonathan takes meds just. Jonathan take meds, just draw a
1:26:56
room cry, which makes me think of like all girls do is eat Hot
1:27:00
Chip and lie. He may have.
1:27:04
Had Hot Chip also. He may have had Hot Chip.
1:27:06
Yeah, that's how he got that Spacey.
1:27:08
Attitude. Yeah.
1:27:10
So Sienna's back. At the house, you know.
1:27:12
What though I also? Just got a flash to Tommy wise
1:27:14
though. Destroying the room at the end
1:27:16
of the room? Nah, Nah.
1:27:22
So. Sienna alluded before that she
1:27:24
was. Gonna go get the sword again
1:27:25
from the terrifier. She said she had to go and
1:27:27
retrieve it. And now we see her pull back up
1:27:30
at the her uncle and aunt's house and she has the sword with
1:27:35
her, we assume because there's like a present wrapped there.
1:27:38
Yeah, her, her hands are all dirty.
1:27:40
Gabby sees that her hands are dirty.
1:27:42
Well, at first she sees the present.
1:27:44
She's like, it's it for me. And she goes, no, and don't
1:27:45
Snoop like you do to other Christmas presents.
1:27:48
I mean, she kind of hides it behind the tree so that way
1:27:50
it's, you know, just out of the way full fucking Gabby.
1:27:53
And then Gabby's like, why are your hands dirty?
1:27:55
And she? Goes because I.
1:27:56
Fell in about in front of about 20 college students.
1:27:59
Is that what you wanted to hear? Which got The only thing worse
1:28:03
than falling in front of 20 college students would be
1:28:05
falling in front of 20 high schoolers.
1:28:07
Yeah, my anxiety is going up. Just thinking about.
1:28:10
It so now we see art he. Is in a van now.
1:28:14
And he pulls into a frat party. They don't.
1:28:18
I was really hoping they were gonna.
1:28:19
Address this in the behind the scenes because they showed the
1:28:22
lit up fraternity house letters so many times.
1:28:27
The Gamma's backwards. It's just fucking backwards.
1:28:30
I wonder if they did that like intentionally did not.
1:28:34
Get like suit or anything but all you have to do is throw 3.
1:28:37
Random Greek letters together and Google it to make sure it's
1:28:41
not an existing fraternity. That's what every other movie
1:28:44
does. It's just a letter like.
1:28:46
You can't like an alphabet can't sue you.
1:28:48
You just have to make sure it's not an existing like.
1:28:51
Panhellenic entity. I I'm confused about this, so
1:28:56
why? Is he going to this place?
1:28:57
Is he just hitting up random places?
1:28:58
It seems like that that like the opening is to be kind of like it
1:29:02
falls in line with this timeline, I think.
1:29:05
Yeah, I think it's somewhat him just hitting up random.
1:29:07
Places. And I think there's probably
1:29:08
also an element of him being drawn to the Shaw family.
1:29:12
So, like, he knows Jonathan is supposed to be coming to this
1:29:15
party. Yeah.
1:29:17
OK. So I guess that's true, yeah.
1:29:20
So I like that he gets a sack out and he, like, holds the door
1:29:24
open for the frat for us. They're bringing the keg in.
1:29:27
And I like how the frat Bros are like, yeah, yeah, so.
1:29:32
CNN realizes that. Gabby read more of her journal
1:29:36
because she's like, oh, and you don't like a cereal anymore.
1:29:40
So, Damien. Damien.
1:29:43
Damien, I want to ask you about cereal so badly and why you
1:29:49
struggle so hard to write dialogue about cereal, because I
1:29:53
think that was my least favorite line of dialogue.
1:29:55
And Terrifier too, where she's like, can we just not talk about
1:29:57
cereal? So what's the bad part about the
1:29:59
dialogue here? She's like, Oh yeah, I forgot,
1:30:01
you don't like cereal anymore. And then Uncle Greg, who we also
1:30:04
called John St. him. He's like, what's wrong with
1:30:10
cereal? Cereal's great cereal's.
1:30:11
Amazing. Cereal's the best food.
1:30:13
Like, I'm sorry, I don't have a problem with that cereal.
1:30:16
Is the best food. He just it's like if you asked.
1:30:21
AI to write about why Cereal's amazing, that's what you would
1:30:25
get it's awesome, it's great, it's the.
1:30:28
Best. It's amazing.
1:30:31
I am inclined to agree with Greg here.
1:30:34
He makes a very, very compelling argument here.
1:30:37
I don't see a problem. But I do think it is funny that
1:30:41
he's like got this weird vendetta out against cereal.
1:30:44
He's like, there's people, stay away from cereal.
1:30:46
Beware of cereal. I got so upset because at
1:30:51
breakfast. This morning I accidentally
1:30:52
grabbed a cereal with yogurt bits in it I didn't realize it
1:30:55
had. Yeah, which that's just gross.
1:30:57
Anyway. It's just gross.
1:30:59
Like, yogurt shouldn't be in bits.
1:31:01
Like, that's not how that should work.
1:31:05
And also like, cereal should be a safe food.
1:31:08
It shouldn't be a food that I have to consistently read
1:31:10
ingredients on. And yet I do, and it's just
1:31:13
frustrating. And by the time I got upstairs
1:31:15
and realized that it had yogurt in it, I just, like, gave it to
1:31:18
somebody else. And I was like, I'm not going
1:31:20
back down to exchange it. That's almost as embarrassing as
1:31:22
grabbing the wrong one in the freeze place.
1:31:24
Yeah, He sold me a cereal with bits and hold.
1:31:27
On bits of my cereal, I thought. I was grabbing.
1:31:30
Red berries. I didn't.
1:31:31
Realize that I was grabbing and yogurt.
1:31:35
OK, so Sienna takes Gabby. To the side, it's like, OK, So
1:31:38
what the fuck? I didn't tell anybody that I
1:31:40
don't like cereal anymore. So how did you know that?
1:31:43
And she's like, I read your diary.
1:31:45
She's like, how much of it did you read?
1:31:47
She's like, all of it. She's like, I just wanted to
1:31:51
know what happened to you. And Sienna goes.
1:31:53
Gabby and then like. She can't.
1:31:57
She's. Mad but.
1:31:58
Also like she can't make Gabby unread it, you can't make her
1:32:02
unread it, but still like. Give her like a little harsh
1:32:05
lesson, like don't Gabby is so fucking nosey, Like I would hate
1:32:09
to actually be around this kid all the time, getting in my
1:32:12
fucking business like the but then she you know, she's like,
1:32:16
listen, this is. Private for me and it's because
1:32:18
I'm sick and it helps me sort out my thoughts and deal with
1:32:21
the dreams I have and then I talk about them with people that
1:32:25
help me sort these things out and give me medicine that assist
1:32:28
me. Like she has a very good
1:32:29
explanation for why she does these things.
1:32:32
Oh, it's all Yeah, I mean it always good.
1:32:33
But then she's like, oh, so. Like, so it's the clown thing
1:32:36
real. Did you actually chop a clown's
1:32:38
head off? Just like, no, I'm sick.
1:32:41
Kind of like what you were talking about before.
1:32:43
So Mia is now bitter about the whole CNA confrontation that
1:32:47
happened before she's complaining about to Cole.
1:32:50
I do want to say that Cole is also in the middle of trying to
1:32:52
get. A hold of Jonathan, 'cause he
1:32:53
hasn't heard from him and he's worried about him, and I think
1:32:55
that's nice. Again, he's a good guy.
1:32:57
He's a good roommate. Yeah, so Mia is like still.
1:33:00
Yeah, like you said, she's still upset and he's.
1:33:02
Like, well, I mean, and she's like, still, she could have been
1:33:05
like, at least a little nicer about it.
1:33:07
And then she's like, can you please talk to Jonathan, please?
1:33:09
He looks up to you. He'll listen to you.
1:33:11
And she's like, I'll make it worth your while.
1:33:14
And he's like, why are you so obsessed about this?
1:33:15
Anyway, and this is where we. See art like sneaking down the
1:33:18
hall and she was like, I just think it's it would be so
1:33:22
fascinating to know like what it's like to look into his eyes.
1:33:26
That's the last thing you see is you're dying.
1:33:28
He's like, do you want to like learn about him or do you want
1:33:31
to fuck him? She goes, no, I don't want to
1:33:32
fuck him. And he's he like waves his
1:33:34
hands. He's like, get out of here.
1:33:36
So. Offended.
1:33:37
I love that, yeah. So she bribes him.
1:33:40
With sex to get Jonathan to agree to do the podcast so they
1:33:46
move towards the shower. Yep, but beforehand there's a.
1:33:51
News. Report about the mall incident.
1:33:54
And Greg is really, I think he's like, oh shit, Sienna's gonna
1:34:00
see this. Well, no, I think at first he's
1:34:02
just horrified at the news. Oh, yeah.
1:34:03
And then Sienna freaks out when she hears about it, and she's
1:34:06
like, it's him, it's him, I know it's him.
1:34:07
We've got to get Jonathan here. She's like, we need to call
1:34:10
Jonathan. Call Jonathan.
1:34:11
And so they start to call him and he's like, yo, Jonathan,
1:34:15
your sister's freaking out. I'm like, dude, she can hear you
1:34:18
like, but I mean, it's kind of like he doesn't do it.
1:34:21
Disrespectfully. He's like, look, she thinks that
1:34:23
you're in dangerous. She really thinks that you need
1:34:25
to come over here right now. And then Sienna's like, this
1:34:28
isn't good enough. She goes over there, snatches
1:34:30
the phone out. She's like, Jonathan, he did it.
1:34:32
He killed a bunch of people at the mall.
1:34:33
You got to get here right now. So he's like, fine, I'll come.
1:34:37
So Jess gives CNS sedative. To get her to.
1:34:39
Sleep and tells Greg that he was right and they need to figure
1:34:43
out what they're going to do. And she talks to Gabby, who is,
1:34:46
you know, again, like I mentioned at the beginning, she
1:34:49
was concerned about her having to go back to the hospital.
1:34:51
And she's like, I don't want her to be gone again.
1:34:52
And she goes, yeah, but if that's what's going to be best
1:34:55
for her, that's what we need to do.
1:34:58
She she really scared Gabby. Before.
1:34:59
Too, Because she's like. She was freaking out about the
1:35:02
clown because earlier she's like, yeah, it wasn't a thing
1:35:04
that happened. Now she's like, no, definitely
1:35:05
happened. There's a clown.
1:35:06
I saw the clown earlier today. He's coming.
1:35:08
He's going to kill us. She's like, we need to leave.
1:35:10
We need to get out of here. We're.
1:35:11
Like we're not safe here. Poor kid.
1:35:15
Yeah, OK, so me and Cole are now in the shower.
1:35:18
They're fucking and is at the I need to talk about this.
1:35:22
Go ahead. Art is at the urinal.
1:35:24
Yeah, he. Is peeing.
1:35:26
And then he he washes his hands, which surprising for Art, but he
1:35:30
doesn't take off the gloves, which makes it a little bit more
1:35:33
believable. Yeah.
1:35:35
It's it's really having your. Gloves be all wet like that,
1:35:39
Yeah. I mean, he's probably used to
1:35:40
them being wet with the blood. And whatnot.
1:35:42
That's fair. So he then.
1:35:45
Goes to his back, pulls out a chainsaw, and then he goes over
1:35:49
there, Revs it up right outside the door and then bursts right
1:35:52
through the the glass door. This is where we get.
1:35:55
This is very. Pieces.
1:35:57
Like I thought of pieces too in the corner, like cowering under.
1:36:00
The chainsaw? It's shopping.
1:36:01
Half too. Yeah, same way and.
1:36:03
He leans down. While she's.
1:36:05
Still. Alive takes off the glasses,
1:36:07
looks her in the eye. This is with her face built off
1:36:11
so. Yeah, she's still alive.
1:36:13
Her eyes are moving around. Yeah.
1:36:14
He's like, this is me, this is it, this is where you wanted.
1:36:17
He takes the glasses. Right onto her face and then he
1:36:21
cuts her in half and then he goes after Cole and Cole he gets
1:36:25
a little Chainsaw Massacre moment with his foot being cut
1:36:28
off or his leg being cut off. He he cut his leg.
1:36:32
To the point where he tried to run.
1:36:34
Away took a step, his leg just went sideways completely so he's
1:36:37
crawling. Then he grabs which is also like
1:36:40
an H2O moment from the the dumb. Waiter.
1:36:43
Yeah, that happens with her. Yeah.
1:36:46
And then he grabs his foot to. Pull him back, but when he pulls
1:36:49
him back he just pulls the whole foot off instead and he sniffs
1:36:53
the foot and makes the face like it.
1:36:55
Stinks, but he was in the shower.
1:36:57
It doesn't mean it's clean yet. I know, but it.
1:36:59
Probably doesn't actively smell like.
1:37:02
Sweat. No, but they weren't.
1:37:04
This is why people. Always wore flip flops in the
1:37:07
shower in college. People pee in the shower all the
1:37:10
fucking time. Just gross.
1:37:11
That's what it is. That's what you do when you live
1:37:13
in the college storm. But he takes up the chainsaw and
1:37:17
for anybody that ever complained about the up at the crack of
1:37:20
dawn scene, this is the male version of it here.
1:37:23
So he takes it and puts it right at his butt crack.
1:37:26
And then we see him chainsaw right through the Dick and
1:37:28
balls. Yep.
1:37:29
And we see it. We see Dick and Ball just
1:37:31
flapping around getting chopped in half and we see him just
1:37:34
like, reveling in all of it. Does his little Blood Angel and
1:37:38
we've got the Terror Fire Christmas song playing in the
1:37:40
background. I love that they had a whole
1:37:42
song made for this. They had a whole choir singing
1:37:44
it. Yeah, I know.
1:37:46
It was impressive. I I really dug.
1:37:47
It I'm surprised we only got it in this one moment and the
1:37:50
credits yeah, I'm kind of glad because it.
1:37:53
Would have gotten overused. Yeah.
1:37:56
Yeah, that's true. So Greg is outside of the dorm
1:37:59
and he calls. Jonathan and gets a very
1:38:01
distorted answer, Like very. And we know from the second one
1:38:04
that this is what it sounds like when the entity is like
1:38:06
mimicking Jonathan's voice. Yeah, Sienna is dreaming.
1:38:11
Of her dad's Angel. Warrior drawing and he's like
1:38:15
showing it to her. And she loves it.
1:38:16
And he? Says you can name it.
1:38:17
And then when she goes to grab it, like there's this moment
1:38:20
where it seems like her dad is maybe possessed and he looks
1:38:23
very angry. He's like holding on to it.
1:38:26
She's like daddy let. Go and he's not letting go and
1:38:29
things are getting weird. It's like an earthquake type
1:38:31
situation and then she starts getting flashes of images of the
1:38:35
whole battle with art in her head.
1:38:37
Yes, and then she used to use this sword and armor.
1:38:40
Being forged by like a little demon slave.
1:38:43
Yeah, that was so weird and like it almost.
1:38:46
Looks like a fucking Christmas Angel down there watching over
1:38:49
your shoulder like, oh hey, this is also gonna happen around
1:38:51
Christmas time, just so you know.
1:38:53
Like what? There's some I can't think of
1:38:56
the movie. Because this felt like a
1:38:57
reference to something too, with like the Angel face moving like
1:39:00
that. The way it did felt very
1:39:03
uncanny. It was cool.
1:39:04
Yeah. It's very confusing, though.
1:39:06
Like I guess I. Wasn't really sure it looked
1:39:08
like that armor, but at the same time I'm like, yeah, no, the
1:39:12
armor was definitely like that she had been wearing in the.
1:39:14
Second one, that was definitely being forged down there, but she
1:39:17
made the armor herself. I mean, this is just a dream so
1:39:24
but. It's also it's.
1:39:26
Not this is like a flashback to that thing that actually
1:39:30
happened. What?
1:39:34
Demons in hell forging something.
1:39:37
It's an image that was projected on.
1:39:38
To her whenever. He was handing over the paid the
1:39:42
paper to her of the drawing. That doesn't mean that it
1:39:45
actually happened. I think it in this.
1:39:49
Case that's what they're implying.
1:39:50
I don't. Think that this is a dream of
1:39:52
that being done. I think that they're like, oh,
1:39:53
this is the shit that happened. I thought that this was a
1:39:56
glimpse of like, this is the type of shit you're probably
1:39:58
going to see in the next movie where she actually goes to hell.
1:40:02
Regardless, she wakes up it's. 158 and she hears Greg and
1:40:06
Jess's voice and they're arguing about calling the doctor or
1:40:10
killing her. Yeah, or we can take a pillow
1:40:13
and just go smother. Her upstairs, you can tell this
1:40:16
is getting a little bit too weird.
1:40:18
It's like the mom's like into she's like.
1:40:20
Oh yeah, let's go do. That she goes downstairs and she
1:40:23
finds Vicki. And art.
1:40:25
And art knocks her out. Yeah, she sees Art hanging up
1:40:30
the body. Of Greg, yes, as in like an
1:40:32
Angel on the wall. Yes, very like Christ like.
1:40:36
Motif are happening here his head is on it's a Christmas
1:40:40
start start yeah on the tree as. The Star and.
1:40:43
Eventually his intestines will be the Garland, yes.
1:40:47
So CNN just. Wake.
1:40:49
Up. They are both tied.
1:40:50
Up and Vicky points to like a wrapped gift in the middle of
1:40:56
them and unwraps it and it's a skull being chewed on by rats
1:41:01
and she says that's Gabby's skull and then they kill Jess
1:41:07
with the old rat tube contraption.
1:41:10
And this I was I was so confused at first.
1:41:13
At first I was like. Oh, they're going to take the
1:41:14
rats and they're going to take the tube and they're going to
1:41:16
put up against her stomach and make them go into the stomach.
1:41:19
We've seen it like a million times in movies before, but
1:41:22
they're like, no, let's take the fucking tube, put it in her
1:41:25
mouth, take a mallet and then bash it into her fucking mouth.
1:41:30
That way it's dislocating the jaw.
1:41:32
Then take the rat, put it in there and heat it up so it'll go
1:41:35
in there. It was fucking gnarly.
1:41:38
And then by the time the rats get to the neck, they just split
1:41:40
the neck open and then they all just come like pouring out of
1:41:43
the neck. So clearly 2 Fast 2 Furious does
1:41:45
this. But also, yeah, American Psycho
1:41:49
in the book, and I would eat my hat if I learned that Damian
1:41:55
Leon is not a fan of American Psycho.
1:41:58
You know what I mean? That seems like the type of shit
1:42:00
right up his alley. Well, ask him.
1:42:02
And if he is not you? Will, in fact, have to eat a
1:42:04
hat. Well, let's He's like American.
1:42:08
Psycho, What's that? So Vicki says.
1:42:13
That she will. Destroy Sienna and invade her,
1:42:16
and then destroy her from the inside out.
1:42:18
She says that you're all alone in the world now.
1:42:20
And then she goes. But there's one other thing.
1:42:23
I lied. That head wasn't.
1:42:24
Gabby's art brings Gabby out. So we see Gabby is still alive.
1:42:29
And then we see the school is put on the mantle and Jonathan's
1:42:32
glasses are gently placed upon it.
1:42:35
Yeah, so. Then Vicky's like, OK, now I'm
1:42:38
gonna possess you. So she goes over to Sienna, puts
1:42:40
her hand on her head, and then starts to possess her for a
1:42:44
little bit, but she fights back. Uh huh.
1:42:47
And ends up rejecting the possession.
1:42:50
So then they're like, OK, well, I know something that'll get
1:42:53
you. So they bring Gabby out.
1:42:54
But they already have. They've already brought Gabby
1:42:56
out and then Vicki. Says that she's fighting for
1:42:58
her, so OK, we're gonna kill her.
1:43:00
And then Gabby says it's only too bad you didn't get to open
1:43:05
my present to you. And then Vicki goes, well that's
1:43:08
not fair cuz again, these demons have really weird respect for
1:43:11
the holidays. That and they're also just super
1:43:14
mischievous. So they.
1:43:15
Just wanna fuck with you however they can so they're like, OK,
1:43:18
let's let her open a present. She asked which one it is and
1:43:21
Gabby points out the one that the.
1:43:23
Sword had been wrapped in earlier, Yeah.
1:43:25
And we're kind of like, how does she know this?
1:43:29
And we think maybe it's because of the diary, but we know
1:43:32
Gabby's a Snoop. And when the Vicky pulls out the
1:43:34
present, she looks at her, she goes, did you wrap this
1:43:36
yourself? And she goes, yeah, she goes
1:43:38
shitty job. They made a reference before
1:43:40
because they were talking about how.
1:43:42
She used to unwrap all the presents and wrap them back up
1:43:44
terribly. So yeah, you know.
1:43:46
Oh, OK, She did that. So they let Sienna do it, but
1:43:50
not before Art goes over there and takes them out and busts her
1:43:54
fucking hands and thin cuts her hands loose so she has to open
1:43:59
unwrap and then grab this sword with her fucked up hands.
1:44:02
She says it's the best gift ever and she.
1:44:05
Slices Art's throat and throws the sword into Vicky's gut, then
1:44:09
pulls it out, stabs her through the mouth and beheads her.
1:44:12
Boom, No more Vicky. Art comes out with a chainsaw
1:44:16
again because he saw how effective it was before.
1:44:19
And they have this fantastically choreographed fight scene.
1:44:23
This is where there was a lot of stunt double action happening.
1:44:26
Yeah, which Lauren Laferra is a trained martial artist, so I I'm
1:44:32
pretty sure she does most of her own stunts.
1:44:34
I mean, she did from the behind the scenes stuff here.
1:44:36
It was all. Her from what I could tell.
1:44:39
So yeah, they are just kind of they're having a back and forth
1:44:41
there with the sword in the chainsaw and then eventually she
1:44:45
gets art and then stabs him up against the wall.
1:44:48
But meanwhile, this whole time. Sure.
1:44:51
Yeah, I can give you that. That's right here.
1:44:53
Evil Dead. Vicky's head is decomposing.
1:44:55
Very evil dead. Like when the deadites do catch.
1:44:59
And what this is doing is dissolving the floor.
1:45:02
Yeah. Except instead of going into the
1:45:04
crawl space, your basement. Or whatever.
1:45:06
It's opening a portal to hell. Yep.
1:45:08
Which is worse? I'm pretty sure your.
1:45:10
Homeowners. Insurance won't cover that.
1:45:12
Definitely doesn't and Gabby. Falls, but she doesn't fall away
1:45:17
through. She's grabbing onto the edge and
1:45:19
then Sienna has to choose between finishing off Art or
1:45:22
saving Gabby. So she leaves Art and then goes
1:45:25
to try and reach for her, but she hands the sword down holding
1:45:29
the blade in to give her the handle to hold on to but Gabby
1:45:33
can't reach it and then she falls in and takes the sword
1:45:36
down with her. Yep, and then Sienna.
1:45:40
What's Up realizes Art's gone. He's left through the window,
1:45:43
and she vows that she was gonna find Gabby.
1:45:46
Art goes to the bus stop I love. This shot of him.
1:45:49
It's Silent Night playing. And it's just a shot of him
1:45:51
sitting at the bus stop all by himself in the middle of the
1:45:54
night, waiting. And then the bus pulls up.
1:45:56
I fucking love that shot. Sienna's hands are.
1:46:01
Healing on their own? Yeah, this is happening too.
1:46:04
I was confused. Because I wasn't.
1:46:06
Sure that she was. Immortal at this point, but or
1:46:09
not immoral but supernatural. I just thought that the sword
1:46:12
gave her healing properties, but the sword's down in hell so it
1:46:16
wasn't able to heal her. I don't know, it was confusing
1:46:19
to me, but we see. The bus driver.
1:46:23
That Jesse was talking about at the beginning of the episode is
1:46:26
talking to a passenger reading the 9th Circle book.
1:46:29
It's a horror book. And then as they stop at the bus
1:46:32
stop the art's at, he gets on. And then he just kind of stares,
1:46:36
slowly picks up his horn. Uh huh.
1:46:39
Yep, and that's it. And that's the end of the movie.
1:46:44
All right, change your. Rating Any No.
1:46:47
I mean, there are still things. I would wanna change but I'll
1:46:50
keep it a 10. I'll keep my edits in too, like
1:46:53
yeah I have. Some problems with it, but
1:46:56
they're all overshadowed by all of the things that I love so
1:46:59
much about this movie that I really don't care and this isn't
1:47:02
like it's one of those movies that like I'm.
1:47:04
So into it, but reading the lore on it, it's not really something
1:47:07
I necessarily go searching for. It's just stuff that like
1:47:11
populates on my feet at this point because it's the stuff I'm
1:47:14
naturally reading. So yeah, I see some discussions
1:47:18
about it online, which is. Cool to learn like that.
1:47:21
You know, there are some things where it's cool to learn things
1:47:22
second hand, but really for a movie like this and where you
1:47:25
have shit like that, where CNN just starts healing, I feel like
1:47:29
we need to do a better job of explaining that stuff.
1:47:32
Yeah. So I hope that.
1:47:34
That is an improvement. I hope that's the next
1:47:37
improvement that comes with the script writing because and
1:47:41
that's, that'll be my change. Yeah.
1:47:42
We don't want a different way instead of just an.
1:47:45
Exposition dump? Yeah, cuz you're better.
1:47:49
Than that I mean, and these movies aren't deep movies or
1:47:51
anything. I'm not asking for anything
1:47:53
super fucking grand. I just need to understand
1:47:58
somewhat If it's that important to the story, let us know.
1:48:04
That's all I say. I felt like you were doing slam
1:48:06
poetry for a minute. No, I just sometimes.
1:48:10
Take a break in the middle of the sentence for impact and
1:48:16
also. So I can figure out.
1:48:18
What I'm about to say There we go, There we go.
1:48:22
No, but I mean for real. And that's how I feel like I we
1:48:26
need to get that shit on screen. Do you know how Taya feels?
1:48:29
Well, she. Was looking forward to this
1:48:31
movie. For a long, long time.
1:48:32
So I think that she was relieved to finally see it.
1:48:34
Yes, she's very happy. She's very glad.
1:48:37
It's. A Christmas movie.
1:48:38
She loves watching Christmas movies with us.
1:48:40
She does a lot of them involve dogs, so that usually makes her
1:48:42
pretty happy. This one didn't involve a dog,
1:48:44
but that's OK because I don't I don't know how Art would react
1:48:48
to a dog and at this point I'm scared to ask.
1:48:52
I think that she will let it. Slide because Sienna's.
1:48:54
Got that dog in her. And I think that.
1:49:00
She enjoyed Vicki, you know, repeating Pretty Girl over and
1:49:04
over. She loved that part.
1:49:06
And I think. She really?
1:49:08
Enjoyed the respect for the Christmas holidays and opening
1:49:12
gifts because she likes ripping into things lately.
1:49:15
I agree. Yeah.
1:49:16
So I think Talia will also get this A. 10 out of 10, she had a
1:49:19
great time. With us now.
1:49:22
So is ultimate. Warrior.
1:49:23
So is Ultimate Warrior. All.
1:49:24
Right. I think.
1:49:29
I think it's going to be Gabby. OK.
1:49:33
Explain yours and. I'll propose mine.
1:49:36
Are you also saying Gabby? OK, I think.
1:49:39
It's Gabby because Gabby is all up in your face when you get
1:49:43
there about the thing that she wants to do.
1:49:45
She's very nosy, snoopy. She'll get in the shit even
1:49:48
though she's not supposed to be getting in the shit.
1:49:50
And you've told her time and time again not to do that shit,
1:49:52
but she still gets into it because she doesn't care.
1:49:55
But ultimately she doesn't because she loves you and she's
1:49:58
hungry. I don't know if that's true
1:50:00
about Gabby, but she. Probably thinks that's what.
1:50:02
Gabby's motive is, I think. Zoe's ultimate warrior.
1:50:08
Is Mia because Mia wants what she wants.
1:50:14
Fuck your feelings about it. She'll do whatever it takes to
1:50:16
get it, and she's certain that she's going to.
1:50:21
Die in a bathtub. Someday.
1:50:23
OK, I don't like that. Ending part right there.
1:50:26
She hates bathrooms. She does.
1:50:27
So yeah, she hates baths specifically.
1:50:31
If I could combine. This too I would say yes, but.
1:50:34
I'll I'll give you Mia, OK? Yeah.
1:50:38
All right. Who did you relate to?
1:50:42
Oh. A lot of trauma recovery
1:50:50
therapy. Speak from Sienna.
1:50:52
Hit true for me and the whole like how much do I shield from
1:50:57
the people I love what's actually happening up in the
1:51:01
noggin from time to time. So I think I'll probably have to
1:51:05
go with CNN on this. OK, I.
1:51:09
Related to the cosplayer and the subway?
1:51:13
Yes, I just felt that. So hard whenever that happened.
1:51:18
OK, no, I think it's. Tagline next.
1:51:21
Yeah, what's the tagline for this?
1:51:26
Hi, what about? You'll die, UYULE.
1:51:31
Die. You'll die OK.
1:51:36
My brain was just going Jingle. Bells Cole's foot smells Ricky
1:51:42
laid ahead. Oh, that's.
1:51:44
Really good. That's good.
1:51:46
I don't know if that's a good. Tagline, but I like it as a
1:51:49
Jingle. Sienna Shaw has lost it all but
1:51:52
art. 'S still got away, hey?
1:51:57
Hey, yeah, I like that a lot. That's really good.
1:52:00
But again, I don't know if I would do it.
1:52:02
I like it as a Jingle, but I don't know if it makes a good
1:52:04
tag. Well, write it down and make it
1:52:05
the show notes then please. When you edit this, OK, perfect,
1:52:09
all right, you will die. Is that?
1:52:10
Gonna be your tag line. You will die.
1:52:12
OK, All right. Now it is time for dream.
1:52:17
Sequel. OK, so.
1:52:21
I've got this all. Planned out, right.
1:52:22
So we've done. Halloween and now we've done
1:52:24
Christmas and we've seen art have a weird respect for the
1:52:28
lore of the holidays and we've also had a lot of Crest like and
1:52:31
resurrection imagery. It is just begging for an Easter
1:52:35
movie. Easter, yes, OK, because.
1:52:38
Like we even had. The.
1:52:40
Crown of Thorns. On Sienna's head, she has.
1:52:43
Oh, I guess Sienna did wear too. And.
1:52:45
You know she has gone through like all.
1:52:47
The torture and suffering and she's meant to be there to save
1:52:50
mankind, resurrected and all that stuff.
1:52:52
Yeah, it's very like Jesusy. Imagery and she's going to have.
1:52:54
To go down to hell. So we've already got that all
1:52:56
out. Plus, wouldn't you love to see
1:52:59
art involved in an Easter egg hunt?
1:53:03
I would actually. Really like that.
1:53:05
You're right. Also, I mean Easter is very very
1:53:08
underrepresented in the horror movie Yes area so it would.
1:53:13
Be cool to have. That get some representation.
1:53:16
I just, I think there's so much there to work with and.
1:53:19
He's already laid a lot of groundwork to make it, like,
1:53:22
plausible. Yeah, Easter's not a bad.
1:53:26
Idea OK, yeah, I can't think of a better holiday other than
1:53:31
Halloween and Christmas so fuck it let's do Easter yes yeah,
1:53:35
let's let's do that I like that what do you want to I mean to
1:53:40
happen though I mean it's going to be going.
1:53:42
Down the hill. Right, it's got to go to hell at
1:53:44
this point because she's got to go looking for Gabby.
1:53:47
Yes, we need. We need.
1:53:49
Gabby to survive. She's definitely surviving that.
1:53:54
Yeah, she's. Got the sword.
1:53:55
She's probably down there defending herself with the
1:53:56
sword. Yes.
1:53:57
It may have granted her some also ability of some sort.
1:54:02
I'd also like to get a little bit more resolution.
1:54:05
On her dad's character. Because we've learned a little
1:54:08
bit of learned little Nuggets. Of them here and.
1:54:10
There, I've heard of people. Theorize about him before
1:54:16
because his name is art the quown and his dad is an artist
1:54:20
so he drew him. He like made all of these things
1:54:23
himself, but that kind of this movie.
1:54:27
Kind of, I think. Knocked that against the wall
1:54:29
because a little bit, yeah, but he's still responsible for.
1:54:33
The shit And he had drawings of Art the quown before Art even
1:54:38
was around doing this shit. Remember, they found the old
1:54:42
drawings that he had in the last movie.
1:54:46
As a wise man once said, he's a microscopic.
1:54:50
Cog and a catastrophic plan. You know, possibly we'll find
1:54:55
out. I guess I'm really curious to.
1:54:56
See what the whole thing is with the dad though.
1:54:58
Yeah. So I and then Jonathan.
1:55:01
Jonathan's going to be the 1st circle.
1:55:03
Of the 9 circles, yeah. And I would love to actually see
1:55:06
like. Some Dante's Inferno type shit
1:55:08
like I want, I want that lore used in this.
1:55:11
And I do think that cuz Damien's been sitting on this storyline
1:55:14
for so long, I do think he's got a lot of really good ideas and I
1:55:17
just want him to stick the landing on this so badly.
1:55:21
You know, they've said there, I've seen.
1:55:24
Time a time or two, the 4th one is gonna be the last, but then
1:55:30
I've also seen where there's two more that'll happen, so it
1:55:33
sounds like he's got an idea for what would.
1:55:35
Potentially be one really long movie so split it up into two
1:55:38
shorter movies is how I've read it at this point.
1:55:41
He really doesn't do short movies from.
1:55:43
What I which is why it's and I. I think it's kind of funny too
1:55:47
'cause it's like all the other blockbusters where you've got
1:55:49
like so many parts and then the last one is like a Fast 1
1:55:52
Furious. Yeah, Fast Sex Part 2.
1:55:55
Yeah, like so. That's that's.
1:55:59
What I want, that's what I want from this.
1:56:00
And I, I really fucking. I will be so furious if he
1:56:04
doesn't take this groundwork. He is late for himself to do a
1:56:08
really hilarious Easter bit. I hope so.
1:56:11
That'd be awesome. All right.
1:56:14
So I guess it's time for reviews.
1:56:15
Yeah, yes. All right, so I knew.
1:56:19
That we were positive on the movie.
1:56:21
So I pulled a more negative review and I tried to find
1:56:26
something that like gave some reasons and not reasons that I
1:56:30
would just. Be like, well, I.
1:56:31
Disagree, you know what I mean? I wanted to get like well
1:56:34
thought out things that seemed possible.
1:56:38
So this is a 2. Out of 10.
1:56:43
There was a time when Art the Clown excited me.
1:56:44
He was creepy, maybe even scary at times.
1:56:46
The grindhouse vibes and unsettling scenes such as the
1:56:48
VHS or train station segment brought something fresh to this
1:56:51
killer clown. A powerful less is more
1:56:54
approach, such as close-ups of his demented laugh in warehouses
1:56:57
or gas stations, or him conducting mental warfare on
1:57:00
victims with dark, sadistic humor.
1:57:02
This all changed. His looks have become goofier
1:57:05
with every movie, and so has his behavior.
1:57:07
He went from menacing to a caricature.
1:57:09
Part 2 had a nice balance of humor and brought some fresh
1:57:11
ideas, but Art started looking too cute to be taken seriously.
1:57:15
Part three turns him into a cartoon and has no redeeming
1:57:18
qualities. His performance is forgettable
1:57:20
and overacted. The setting doesn't work.
1:57:22
It isn't scary at all. Damien said he wanted to focus
1:57:25
on making Art scary again. Well he did the opposite of this
1:57:27
movie. Gore for the sake of gore is
1:57:29
cheesy, unnecessary and played out in my opinion.
1:57:32
View way more interesting to see a truly frightening Art the
1:57:34
clown movie. The gore actually hinders me
1:57:36
from taking the movie seriously because it's so over the top and
1:57:39
unrealistic at times. Art could look so much more
1:57:42
menacing with simple changes such as fully black eyes and
1:57:45
razor sharp bloody black teeth. I don't understand why they're
1:57:48
making him look less frightening every time.
1:57:51
Also, please don't give him any sidekicks.
1:57:53
We want to see a movie about art, not a movie with art.
1:57:57
I feel that this clown has potential, but he has yet to
1:57:59
star in a movie he truly deserves and that will bring out
1:58:01
the best qualities of the actor. The best scenes are the scenes
1:58:04
that give him some depth such as the laundromat scene, Halloween
1:58:07
store trick or treating homeless lady with the baby doll,
1:58:10
taunting victims in a scary way, etcetera.
1:58:12
Give art some depth and stop treating him like a gory killer
1:58:15
to fill in the blanks. I don't have any expectations
1:58:18
anymore after this movie. Part 3 was a complete let down
1:58:20
and the worst thus far. Damien should go back to the
1:58:22
roots of Terrifier if he wants to explore his best material and
1:58:25
create his best Terrifier movie yet.
1:58:29
Yeah, OK. You know.
1:58:32
I can see what they're saying with him being a little bit more
1:58:34
goofy. Yes, cuz the first one.
1:58:38
He. Kind of was a little goofy, but
1:58:40
he was more just kind of unsettling.
1:58:44
But the way, like, he was like goofing around, but it wasn't
1:58:47
that he was having fun. He was trying.
1:58:50
The goal was to make you uncomfortable.
1:58:52
Yeah. Here he's like, even without
1:58:55
anybody paying attention, doing like a little goofy gag when
1:58:57
he's eavesdropping on Mia and Cole, you know, things like
1:59:02
that. He's just being like a little
1:59:04
like he's being very cartoonish, but I don't personally have a
1:59:09
problem with it. I think that he's very creepy
1:59:12
still, especially in this movie. I think for.
1:59:17
Me it helps balance. Out the overtopness, over the
1:59:20
topness of the gore in a way that like makes it, I don't want
1:59:25
to say palatable, but I guess palatable.
1:59:28
I don't it it like evens it out some tonally I guess.
1:59:33
Like I don't understand. How the gore being what?
1:59:38
Like what you see here being to the point where I go, that's too
1:59:41
cartoonishly overload the top. Like I think what we're seeing
1:59:45
is like what you the parts that you don't normally see when you
1:59:48
watch these movies, Yeah, they shy away from.
1:59:52
I don't feel like it's like, oh, that's a cartoon anything.
1:59:54
I feel like they do an amazing job with the effects here.
1:59:57
Like, that's probably as real as I ever want to see.
2:00:01
Anything like that ever demonstrated?
2:00:03
Well, that's like whenever I think about stuff where like, it
2:00:06
cuts. Away and you have to fill in the
2:00:07
blanks with your head and I'm like I don't know if my brain is
2:00:11
sick enough or if it's too sick to fill in this blank here you
2:00:14
know what I mean and it's nice seeing a director be like no I
2:00:17
want you to know exactly what we're going for and yes it's the
2:00:19
worst possible thing you could actually imagine yeah I I really
2:00:22
like that too but. I mean, to their credit, I
2:00:26
understand where they're coming from because he has.
2:00:29
They've gotten more playful with him, for sure.
2:00:32
Yeah, for sure. So if you don't like that
2:00:33
aspect. I I get why you're kind.
2:00:36
Of a little bit more turned off with this I I like art though.
2:00:40
I like that. And you know, that moment of him
2:00:42
like slapping seed outside the head, We didn't even talk about
2:00:45
that. There was a lot of people's
2:00:46
favorite moments. And that was just like a spur of
2:00:48
the moment thing that Damien did because it was like feeling very
2:00:51
heavy on set. And he just told David he's
2:00:53
like, just smack her whenever you walk by, Like, and it just
2:00:56
turned into a thing. And it added like, again, I
2:00:59
think they do a good job of balancing, in my opinion, for
2:01:03
what I prefer in a horror movie. They do a good job of balancing
2:01:06
humor in horror. Yeah, I agree.
2:01:09
I mean that opening. Scene that's not goofy or
2:01:13
anything at all. I mean, maybe like the goofiness
2:01:15
comes from when he's washing the dishes, but everything in
2:01:18
between and after that part is fucking horrific.
2:01:23
That could be its own short horror film right there.
2:01:26
It could stand alone, Absolutely.
2:01:28
So, OK, but you know. What Totally, totally see where
2:01:32
they are coming from there. All right, I disagree about
2:01:36
David's performance. So I don't think it's.
2:01:37
Overacted. No, no, no.
2:01:39
He fucking knows it. I I think.
2:01:41
It's so eerie watching. Him jump from David, the art,
2:01:45
the way he does, which I know he's been playing this character
2:01:47
for close to a decade now, but it's still very weird.
2:01:51
Yeah, it's still very, like, weird to see him, like, joking
2:01:54
around and then he immediately gets into the mode.
2:01:57
Yeah, yeah, he nails it. He does a great job.
2:02:00
So I don't agree with that for sure.
2:02:03
OK, so are we ready for listener reviews?
2:02:06
All right, well, thank you guys for sending in reviews.
2:02:10
You all showed out this week. So I've got a bunch to go
2:02:12
through here. OK, we'll start on Instagram.
2:02:16
1st. Off.
2:02:17
Horror, Ryan says not as stomach turning as two in my opinion.
2:02:21
Fun and raises questions I hope are answered. 7 out of 10.
2:02:25
OK, you know what? That.
2:02:28
I do think Terrifier 2 has. The.
2:02:31
Harder to watch death scenes for me, so I can agree with that.
2:02:35
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'd say so.
2:02:39
This one I hear the the chainsaw one in the shower is the most
2:02:43
upsetting for me to watch but. Yeah.
2:02:48
I'd say too. Probably does have a beat with
2:02:50
Allie's death scene for sure. Cubesafe says I just.
2:02:55
Really like the scene. When he meets Santa, yeah,
2:02:59
that's one of my favorite scenes.
2:03:00
I love that moment. I really do.
2:03:04
OK, this is from. Tucker, he's got one that he had
2:03:08
to send in a direct message. So if you all ever have bigger
2:03:12
reviews, do that instead of the little sticker I put on
2:03:14
Instagram. So actually took a date to see
2:03:18
this one in theaters. She was a Terrifier newbie, had
2:03:21
never seen Slash, knew next to nothing about the first two and
2:03:25
wanted to watch it after seeing it all over TikTok.
2:03:28
That sounds like Carolyn. Yeah, this is my little sister.
2:03:31
I tried my best to. Give her an.
2:03:32
Idea of what she was. In for a leading up to it and
2:03:35
suffice to say she knew well and good that I hadn't been kidding
2:03:39
by the time the second child was murdered in the 1st 15 minutes.
2:03:43
I also have no shame in saying that both.
2:03:44
Her and I were. Clutching each other in horror
2:03:46
during the shower scene where Art swipes the dudes butt crack
2:03:49
with the chainsaw like it was a discovery card and he was making
2:03:53
a purchase. That alone would make this an 8
2:03:56
out of 10. But Art the Clown's shenanigans.
2:03:58
Shocker. That is disgusting.
2:04:01
Who uses Discover anymore? Yeah, the other one.
2:04:06
Would make this an Anton but Arthur clown shenanigans, the
2:04:09
interesting world building story, mind blowing creative
2:04:13
kills and awesome effects and astounding performance by Warren
2:04:16
Rivera bumps it up to a 9.5. I can't give it a full time
2:04:20
attend for how they did my boy Jonathan.
2:04:23
OK, I agree with that man. Yeah.
2:04:25
Like. I still give it that full 10,
2:04:28
but you can't do my boy Jonathan like that.
2:04:31
I don't necessarily even, I don't feel that strongly about
2:04:34
Jonathan as a character personally, but he's a major
2:04:37
character and you can't really kill him off that way if you're
2:04:41
actually doing it that way. OK, over on Blue Sky, Tyler
2:04:48
says. Possibly my favorite in the
2:04:50
franchise. Art was great, so hilarious even
2:04:53
when doing what art does. Victoria was a fun addition even
2:04:57
with the oh that doesn't go there of it all.
2:05:00
Sienna. Sienna is quickly becoming a
2:05:03
favorite final girl for girl for me as well.
2:05:06
Kills were great. Not quite bedroom status.
2:05:08
Thank God. Yeah I like it.
2:05:14
I think this is my favorite. Also I there.
2:05:19
I can't choose between 2:00 and 3:00.
2:05:21
Honestly at this point I don't know.
2:05:24
Maybe we need to watch this one a few more times maybe.
2:05:26
Also I do feel like this is making CNM like.
2:05:29
A more of a final girl like she's already one, but I I like
2:05:32
her character more after this. I they're building her up really
2:05:35
well. I just, like I said, I I really
2:05:37
love. This nuanced take on trauma in
2:05:40
this movie, when people say that this franchise is just all about
2:05:43
the gore and there's no plot, I'm like, you just aren't paying
2:05:45
attention. All you're saying is the gore,
2:05:48
and that's a you problem, not a movie problem.
2:05:50
That's true. Yeah, that's there.
2:05:52
Sometimes you have to go to the. The director's commentary there.
2:05:56
OK and then finally Ward Zombie says oh Terrifier.
2:06:00
I might be counted as a tourist on this one as I have never seen
2:06:04
the others. I went to the theatre to see the
2:06:06
hype. Overall I felt like a bunch of
2:06:08
skids put together to be called a movie.
2:06:10
Some were better than others, some not needed.
2:06:13
Art is good. A likable killer.
2:06:15
His magic trash bag is impressive.
2:06:17
Most of the characters were likable if not a confusing
2:06:20
family setup. As for the big topic of
2:06:22
violence, I feel people did not grow watching Troma movies.
2:06:25
I found the violence all entertaining but by no means
2:06:28
outrageous. It was a good watch, just a
2:06:30
little long. And then he ends up by saying.
2:06:33
But most importantly, happy holiday to both of you and the
2:06:36
fur kitties. Happy holiday zombie.
2:06:39
What is? I.
2:06:42
This is what our poll is. Going.
2:06:44
To be did you watch Terrifier 3 without watching Terrifier 2?
2:06:48
Because we're hearing, I thought, I thought my sister was
2:06:51
just blasphemous in this when she was like, I watched
2:06:55
Terrifier, I'm gonna go see Terrifier 3.
2:06:58
And my mom and I were both like, that's a terrible idea.
2:07:01
You can watch Terrifier 2 and Terrifier 3 and skip Terrifier
2:07:06
1. Like you don't have to see
2:07:06
Terrifier to see Terrifier 2. No, but you definitely.
2:07:10
Need to see Terrifier. Two, to understand Terrifier 3,
2:07:13
and it helps to have seen Terrifier.
2:07:15
Also look to be fair, these movies are not very high.
2:07:18
On ply, you can go into this movie and have a good time still
2:07:22
watching it on its own. But if you want to have any idea
2:07:25
of what's going on, you will want to watch that previous
2:07:28
movie for sure. But I think that you could if
2:07:31
you don't really care. I mean again, these are not very
2:07:34
strong story movies, so you you'll still have a fine time
2:07:38
watching it by itself. I still think they have enough
2:07:40
story, especially like. The two to three, like that's a
2:07:44
continuation and I think it is important enough to like watch
2:07:47
that because, you know, Zombie said, confusing home situation.
2:07:51
It makes more sense if you realize like that you know, her
2:07:54
and her brother have been orphaned.
2:07:56
He may have, he may have known. I don't.
2:07:58
Know he may have done his research.
2:08:00
So I just I'm just. And.
2:08:02
I'm not knocking anybody for doing it that way.
2:08:05
That God knows. There have been plenty of times
2:08:06
that I've gotten to the sequel without seeing the the ones
2:08:09
before it. That was my that was my
2:08:11
introduction to Sleep Away camp. As a franchise, a lot of horror
2:08:14
sequels don't really follow up. On another, I know I just, it's,
2:08:19
it's just bizarre. To me, and I think this is just
2:08:21
one of those symptoms of us living so deeply in the horror
2:08:24
world at this point that like, I forget that like people that are
2:08:29
maybe more casual horror fans not calling you all casuals, No,
2:08:34
not calling you. All casuals.
2:08:35
I'm just saying like. This.
2:08:36
Where we've seen multiple time like instances of this.
2:08:39
See, The thing is is. This also became more widely
2:08:44
known this year. Yeah, they made him a character
2:08:46
in Call of Duty. Like that's pretty fucking big.
2:08:49
So people are finally starting to be like, who the fuck is this
2:08:53
guy? It's a creepy clown.
2:08:54
And then they see the movie out and they're like, OK, I'll see
2:08:57
the movie with that creepy clown from Call of Duty.
2:09:00
To them, that's not that big of a deal.
2:09:04
To us, he's icon status, but really, in the grand scheme of
2:09:08
things, he hasn't fully made it there yet because he's not.
2:09:12
Not every household will know the name like Freddie, Jason,
2:09:16
all those things you say Art the Clown.
2:09:18
Some people are like who? You know, but he's got, he's
2:09:21
got. He's getting there.
2:09:22
Yeah, he's getting momentum. I just.
2:09:25
I don't know, I guess it's just like a a weird notion for me
2:09:29
because I'm so into these movies, so it's hard to kind of
2:09:32
take myself out of that mindset. So yeah, it's interesting.
2:09:35
Yeah. OK.
2:09:36
But thanks for the review. I you know.
2:09:38
That was a great. Point of trauma, because watch.
2:09:42
Fucking toxic. Avenger, everybody.
2:09:44
Holy fucking shit those movies go there.
2:09:48
And not just that one. All like a lot of relentless
2:09:51
child murder. Yeah, that fucking kid on the.
2:09:53
Bicycle that they run. Down.
2:09:55
They just run over his head. Yep.
2:09:56
Yeah. Holy shit.
2:09:59
So that was a great point. Yeah.
2:10:02
OK. So that's it.
2:10:02
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2:10:06
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2:10:07
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