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Growing Up in the Spotlight · Pop Culture Junkie®

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[Music]
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Welcome to the Pop Culture Junkie podcast. I am Nicole here with my fellow Junkies.
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-Shauna. -Olivia.
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All right, well, Olivia, I'm glad you are back for another week. I'm happy, Shauna, and I haven't drove you out quite yet, but...
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-Yeah, just wait. -You're basically professional now.
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How do you like podcasting?
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Well, first off, I missed you guys. There were so many moments this week where I was like, "Oh, man, I should text them. We should talk about this."
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So, I'm just beyond excited. It's only been like a week or two, but, you know, I was really missing you.
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[Laughter]
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Anytime you see stuff pop up, shoot that mask text our way.
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[Laughter]
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I need to be filled in. I'm sure there's so much stuff. All three of us, like, don't know.
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And if we just hold it on until we record, then it's just for an explode. Or forget something.
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I'll forget everything, basically. Try to tell the topic, but it won't come out the way it should.
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I remember I was freaking out about something days ago, but now I don't care anymore.
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[Laughter]
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Yeah, right. I have a little notes where, like, just in general, if you look at my notes, "Apps" section, it's like a string of, like, ADHD notes, where they don't really make sense to anyone.
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If you were to look at my notes, "Apps" section, and be like, "I'm gonna commit this woman of a crime." Like, no one could really figure it out, except me.
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But I just have, like, a random thing, where it's like, "Talk about X." And, you know, hopefully we remember to look at it, but you never really know.
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You look at it just months later, and you're like, "What the hell was I thinking?" Like, "What does any of this mean?"
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Sometimes it'll just be like, "Been sprout." Like, "What?"
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All of the plans when I'm like, my sister-in-law, like, cousin and I, we're all at the Easter picnic, and we're like, drinking and stuff.
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And we're like, "We should hang out soon." And we just put in our calendar, like, "Girl time." And it didn't end up happening.
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And then, like, weeks later, I looked at my phone, and I'm like, "Tolinder alert for "Girl time." And I just kept her like, "What the hell?"
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And I'm like, "Which girls? There's too many of them."
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Like, "Do I text everyone?" And I don't feel like all your groups of friends, like, "All right, watch out, do it!"
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"I feel like somebody wanted to." Everyone says, "No."
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"Oh, okay." The phone, who does?
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I love it. Awesome.
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All right, well, let's just get right into it. What we do every week.
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Try to take over the world. Yeah, yeah. What have you both been watching or keeping up with?
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Let's entry you within the news the past week that you want to talk about.
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I was traveling. I was in Miami all week. So I wasn't watching, like, a ton of stuff, like, not really, like, sitting down.
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But one thing I did watch, well, two things. The first was the Hillsong documentary about Carl Lenz, kind of the scandal.
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It was just in Bieber's pastor. Yeah, and Chris Pratt, right?
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Yeah, Chris Pratt as well. Hayley Bieber, Kendall Jenner, goes there, really kind of this celebrity church that a lot of individuals go to in LA.
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And they started one in New York. It's an Australian-based church.
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And they brought it over to the United States. And really, it's the downfall of them.
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He was so popular and it comes out that he actually cheats on his wife.
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And the church kind of like offers him up and like throws him under the bus. But what happened after that was people started to look into Hillsong as a church as a whole.
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And they do LGBTQ conversion camps. Yeah.
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And what was actually really crazy is Brian Houston allegedly his father was molesting these children.
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And it became exposed. And right now it is actually being investigated by the Australia government.
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There's an ongoing case. And it's really, really crazy. It's kind of this first domino that falls. They don't get into it too much.
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Discovery Plus has a good one as well around it. But it's really, really crazy.
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Is it a TV show or a movie?
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It's a Hulu documentary right now. So it's two parts. It was done by FX actually.
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So they've been crushing it when it comes to documentaries like anything they do lately is just really good from drama series to a documentary.
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But really, really recommended. It's very good. And it'll send it down a rabbit hole.
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Dude, that sounds fascinating. And I saw a preview for a documentary about like the Dugger family and their church or like the religion they describe to as well.
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And I really want to check that one out about the gosh, I don't remember what it's called, but like the quiver full movement where everybody has 10 million kids.
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That's hilarious because I actually went to this YouTube rabbit hole like last night of the Dugger's and like all of their teaching. But there is so much there.
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Before we started recording, we were just talking about memoirist ginger Dugger has an interesting memoir and talks a lot about it.
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All that stuff is just so fascinating to me. It just reminds me of like cults, you know, and I just I love any documentaries or intrigue and cults.
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I mean, it's terrible what's happening to people and obviously it's disgusting. You know, I don't kind of sucks making entertainment out of people's tragedy, but it's just so fascinating how people get started with that kind of stuff and get sucked into it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I think the more that you can hear other stories right, I think there's a big stigma of like, oh, like dumb people doing a call, but it's not that right?
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Like they've had like neuroscientists. They've had really successful people like in the case of a nexium or something like that. Join them.
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And it's the more that we learn like why people get sucked into that the more you can prevent it. But yeah, I think it's really interesting.
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I think any human being can fall into that.
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Oh, yeah, especially if you're born and raised into it like the Westboro Baptist church, a lot of those kids were born into that and they thought that's how you're supposed to treat people and they don't realize it until they grow up and they start thinking for themselves and then they can leave.
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And so it's not their fault that they were born into a cult essentially. So yeah, you know, if these documentaries can help other people avoid cults or joining or just anything, then amen, sister.
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Yeah, the other one that I've been watching, which just kind of like hit the internet, it goes with the thing we've all been talking about is the Randall Emmett scandal documentary.
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It's really, really interesting. They talk a lot about like his abusive power.
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So he is a producer, produce like Rambo and is famous for dating Lala Kent. She's on Vanderpump rules. She's got a really popular storyline. She had a kid with him and it came out that he was defrauding investors sexual misconduct in the workplace.
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He was abusing people. Yeah, he's just in all around alleged bad guy, but it was a really good documentary. I think one thing that is kind of missing from Vanderpump rules the season is what happened with him.
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Obviously, the Ariana sand of all scandal has taken over everything, but I do think it's a really interesting part of it.
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I've never seen an episode of the show ever. Every time I know who Ariana and sand of all are against my will.
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Just from me doing my job. Yes, you are.
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What about you Nicole? What have you been watching?
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I've been traveling. I went to Chicago very unexpectedly beat for something and then after it came back, I had a day in Arizona and then went to Disneyland.
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I have a much in this show. It's called Road Wars and it is on A&E, I believe.
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It's basically just dash cam videos that people catch and they kind of combine it into one big show and it's just road rage incidents.
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Oh, I know. It's honestly kind of funny.
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You would watch that, but it's such a Nicole show.
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It is, but it's funny. It's also kind of scary too because it's like I'm kind of a crazy driver. I'm aggressive sometimes.
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It makes me kind of in my mind be like, okay, you have to calm down sometimes when you're driving.
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You don't want to be involved in a situation like this that you're seeing on TV right now.
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But I'm not one of those drivers that will throw hands up in the air towards the driver.
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I'll just say bad words in my car and be like, that way I'm not going to get aggressive because I'm literally a small girl and I can't defend myself because I'm like, I'm not going to get into that.
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It's a really good show. It's really funny. I think the dash cam videos are quite funny. Sometimes it's different incidents.
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Sometimes it's good deeds that people do that are caught on dash cams, but mostly it's just road rage incidents.
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I see people physically get out of their cars and like fight people with bats and stuff like that.
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That's insane. I couldn't ever imagine doing that.
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I remember I went to driving defense school for a ticket years ago and they told this story about this guy who got in this road rage incident and like,
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you know, pull over, pull over and they both pull over and one of them got a,
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oh God, what's it called when you shoot it, but an arrow comes out.
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A bone arrow? No, not like a, like you shoot like a trigger. A crossbow. A crossbow.
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You got a fucking crossbow out of his trunk. It's shot a guy with a crossbow.
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So that is, that's the only thing I remember from traffic defense school was don't get in road rage.
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Don't flip this person off because they might kill you with a crossbow. They might do it.
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Nowadays, you never know what someone has on the car.
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One time I was in high school and someone like pissed me off and I flipped them the bird and they chased me.
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And like down the road for like 20 minutes and it was hopeless.
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So I've never do that anymore. So like flip them the bird.
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I do like the eany, eany, like with your with your fingers, you know.
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What's evening? What are you guys doing?
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Those who got to get it. Shona and the rest don't know.
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I'm trying to hurt patients.
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Yes, just tiny little patients, tiny little patients.
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That reminds me though, have you guys ever seen the movie unhinged with Russell Crow?
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No, I haven't.
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No, but isn't that literally like a movie about road rage?
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I remember seeing the street boards.
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Yes, it's pretty, it's pretty frightening.
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I would.
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Russell Crow is like the last person I would want to cut off in traffic, too.
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He's terrifying.
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He seems like.
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It's just an angry man.
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I don't know.
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I wouldn't want to meet him.
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Be like, oh, do you want to get dinner with Russell Crow?
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I'd be like, no, I'm all right.
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Like I'm pretty sure he threw a phone.
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It's someone's head at one point like.
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Okay, Naomi Campbell goes.
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Oh, I just want to say, I did feel you want me to do that.
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If Naomi Campbell wants to throw a phone in my head, she can absolutely do it.
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It's like Mean Girls, she punched me in the face one.
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It was awesome.
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It's like your whole past.
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Who's the whole past?
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I could throw a phone at you and not.
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Right.
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Any supermodel could throw a phone in me.
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That's fine.
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Go ahead.
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I love it.
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What have you been watching, Shana?
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So much.
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So I have to narrow it down.
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I did see the Guardians of the Galaxy 3 movie.
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Oh my god, it was so good.
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You cried, right?
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I cried three times.
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Oh my god.
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I cried within the first four minutes of this movie.
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And I won't spoil anything.
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Dude, immediately, I mean from the videos we see, we get to see Raffet Raccoon.
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He's like a little baby Raccoon.
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And you know, one can insinuate.
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He went from being a tiny baby Raccoon to being modified.
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And so that's the story of what happened to him.
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So, oh my god.
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And he has other little animals that he's in captivity with.
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And anytime they're on screen, I was just a blubbering baby.
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It was awful.
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But the movie itself was really great.
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It's a great send-off to the Guardians.
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I mean, I think we're going to see some of them and other properties going forward in other Marvel movies.
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But you know, they're not going to be the Guardians like they have been for these three movies.
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But it was so good.
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I mean, I'm such a big Marvel fan that I really struggle to find fault at a lot of their stuff.
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But even I can admit that some of their movies over the last year have been a little lesser quality than...
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I mean, after we saw Endgame, it was just, oh my god.
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That was so stupendous.
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Like, how do you even do anything after that?
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But definitely going to pop Guardians of the Galaxy 3.
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Okay, so the other movies that I've been watching lately, I started with Olivia actually.
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And we watched Screen 2.
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And I realized I haven't seen all of the screen movies.
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So my husband and I have been watching.
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Which is just...
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Just predictable.
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No, I can't believe I have it.
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And I know you love them too, Nicole.
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It's like, it's time that I finally do this.
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I have to do this.
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And so I watched every single screen movie in order.
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And I have thoughts.
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I have thoughts.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So I'm going to say, one is the best.
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Mm-hmm.
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And then I think five.
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And then three, six, two, four.
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Whoa, two is super low.
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Wow.
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I think so.
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I think that was it.
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Why am I like a three and four mixed up?
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Which one is the best?
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The movie producer guy.
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What?
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Like, we're at the movie.
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It's a movie about the movie.
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I mean, no.
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Every screen movie is about a movie with it a movie.
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No, I feel like the movie is the one with the editing.
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The movie.
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Yeah, one of them they're making a movie and ghost face is like screen three.
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Yeah, that was my least favorite one, I think.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Well, then you mess that up.
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I messed it up.
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So you're, your favorite was like your least favorite.
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My favorite was one and then five.
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Okay.
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I can't, I don't agree with those two.
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My favorite is actually scream two, which is the one that you and I watched.
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I thought it was okay.
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I feel the most like lived in, but not overdone at that point.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What about you Nicole?
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What's your favorite?
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Um, I'm gonna Google screen for.
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I don't know if I can see.
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I know now I'm getting them all out of order in my head.
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Screen four is the hate and panatir one.
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Oh, we know I like that one.
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Okay.
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I'm gonna go back.
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I take it back.
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I got one.
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Google, the top.
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I watch them all in such close accession that they're all just melding together.
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Oh my God.
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I haven't seen the newest one yet, which I'm like really annoyed because I keep like waiting
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for my friend and they're obviously taking too long.
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I know I'm just not allowed to them.
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I'm just gonna lie to them.
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I'm gonna be like, oh my God, I haven't seen them.
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I'm just gonna stare.
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I can't play with ghost faces.
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No, one of my favorite things.
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I think Scream is the most iconic.
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It's the most parody as well.
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But no, I love Scream.
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It's the most parody.
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It's the most iconic.
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But I love him mainly because he is the clumsiest of the killers.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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No agility physical.
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In the first couple.
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Yes, ghost faces clumsy, but also just ghost face get fucking superpowers.
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The minute this mask goes on because all of a sudden, like tiny,
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like tiny women will end up being ghost face.
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But while they're fighting, they have the strength of like a full grown man.
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And, you know, they'll be there on the ground one second and then you turn around and then they're fucking gone.
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So I guess they can just teleport as well.
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And then the minute they're so silly goofy mood.
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So silly goofy mood.
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Just goofing.
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Just snoo-boo-boo-boo-boo.
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The minute ghost face is revealed.
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All of a sudden that person is not good at fighting anymore, not good at combat.
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And is not intimidating in the slightest anymore.
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I don't know.
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The adrenaline rush.
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Maybe.
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Yeah, it's just the adrenaline rush of having the mask on.
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And then, okay, my last note on the Scream movies, which I did very much enjoy as a whole, including the new one,
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is people will get shot and stabbed over and over where you're like, that person is hell-a-dead.
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They did.
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And then at the end of the movie, they're like taken out in a stretcher and they're like, "I can't believe I survived."
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And like, I can't believe you survived either, bro.
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You were stabbed like 19 times.
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Shouldn't you at least be unconscious at the very least?
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I don't know.
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You were seriously dead.
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Yeah.
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You were like really dead.
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At the end of the fifth movie, though, you're like, "Okay, it was Dewy's time because he's just been burned to like an every movie."
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And you're like, "Alright, so at some point, if my hangovers catch up to me, your stabbings have to catch up to you."
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Yeah.
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Like the older it gets, the harder it is to drink, the harder it is to get stabbed.
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I think it's just common sense.
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I am 34.
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I'm getting stabbed once.
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I'm going out.
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Like, I'm done.
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I don't care if it's in the knee.
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I'm laying down.
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I'm like, "Jesus, take me away.
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I'm out."
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Oh my god.
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You get one little limp and you give up.
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You can't.
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Oh, God, I'm ghostly.
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Take me.
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Dewy could never.
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Dewy could never.
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Dewy will fight.
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He will fight.
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He's a terrible cop.
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They're all terrible cops.
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They're awful at police work.
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They're awful at police work.
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They're awful at police except Dewy.
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[Music]
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Alright, so I know I mentioned that I was in Disney this past weekend.
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And while I was there, I don't know what came upon me, but I just started thinking about Disney Channel
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and thinking about all these celebrities that just were not treated well while they were at Disney Channel.
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And how they grew up and had multiple different mental health issues or other issues within their lives
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that were basically caused because they became into the spotlight so early on in their life.
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And there is a word for it.
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It is called Child Star Syndrome or Child Actress Syndrome.
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I believe it goes both ways.
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And just kind of give a little description of what that actually is.
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It is used to describe the troubled adult lives of child stars.
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These adults tend to have anxiety, lack of empathy, narcissistic personality disorder, substance abuse, and depression.
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And I kind of want to just jump right in and say the first person I thought of immediately when I thought about this topic was Demi Lato.
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She has had such such such a rough life and we've seen it firsthand through social media.
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Through news outlets that I just want to put her on a spot to make things worse for her.
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Rather than trying to reach out to her and give her the help that she needed in that time.
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She is doing pretty well now, I think, with how she seems to be living her life.
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She seems like she is trying to get sober whether she stays sober or kind of has relapsed.
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Yeah, I mean any addiction like that is going to be a lifelong struggle for sure.
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So I mean that's a disease she's going to struggle with for the rest of her life and it's just a matter of trying to do the best that you can day to day and the support systems you have in place.
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But God, I can't even imagine growing up in the spotlight like that and essentially going through puberty and like the most vulnerable times of your life in front of an audience sounds horrifying to me.
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Like I think back to what an awkward preteen I was and just some of the cringe things that I would do and say and oh my God if any of that was on video or I mean just reliveable on YouTube over and over again.
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I don't know if I could do it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, Demi Lovato's her YouTube documentary. She has a few different documentaries that she's done. It's beautiful. It's honestly like one of the more like real documentaries that I've seen.
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Like the way that she opens up is really, really beautiful about her story and it's it's pretty crazy what she went through.
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I mean she had the strokes she couldn't see when she first woke up after this relapse. The only thing that really does concern me about her is after this relapse she got involved with scooter brown and scooter brown works with Justin Bieber.
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Ariana Grande. Now Demi Lovato. I feel like I'm missing someone else, but all people have had very public struggles and substance abuse issues.
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And a lot of their problems have happened under him. So I am kind of afraid for her then and when she was with scooter she really did start like that California sober thing which it was like a year into her recovery.
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And so that's really not good in that time. So I am worried about her, but she does seem to be doing better.
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Yeah, it's tough and I mean at least she's with us. You know you think of so many child stars who aren't even here anymore obviously you know we recently lost Aaron Carter.
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But even before that I mean you think of Britney Murphy, Corey Hame, you know all sorts of child actors who have died.
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You either drug issues, mental health problems, things like that and just weren't surrounded by people who supported them and a public who didn't support them and kind of relished in the downfall.
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Yeah, I think a lot about Hayden Pena to your I don't know if you guys saw six six months ago maybe she did an interview with people and I actually pulled the quote for it.
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And so Pena to her says when she was 15 someone on her team began offering her happy pills before she walked red carpets.
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They were to make me peppy during interviews. I had no idea that this was not an appropriate thing or what door that was for me.
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Yeah, and she has very publicly struggled with addiction in her in her adult life.
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And one of the comparisons that I've always seen with her and just a lot of these child stars is like that Judy Garland.
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She was being given speed and then given downers at night to be able to sleep and it really messed up her health.
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And I just look at the 2000s child star we sell so many kids crash and burn and it's like well, yeah we were giving them frickin speed and you know and Fedda means at the age of 11 years old.
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And it's crazy. Yeah, I mean Amanda binds to like.
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Yeah, just such a public downfall that people seem to just love to gossip about.
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Well, a lot of people like forget Lindsey lowhand and that as well and very public downfall with her in Amanda bind.
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That is true.
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Yeah, I mean Lindsey.
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She seems like you know recently she's got the low hand a song that she's coming back and she seems to be healthy and doing well.
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But gosh, I can't even imagine the struggle she went through from such a young age like just being mega famous out of nowhere.
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Same with McColley Colken.
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I had the biggest crush on him in the 90s.
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I thought he was so cute and he was so mega ridiculously famous and turns out his parents were like extorting him and stealing money from him.
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So well. Yeah, and I mean he was spending time with Michael Jackson and he definitely kind of yeah, he I think he's come out and claimed you know like it was nothing happened to him personally.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that basically shouldn't have happened, but I don't know he was just definitely in the spotlight in the news from a very young age.
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He kind of flew under the radar for a while. I've seen him in a few projects here and I know he's married to Brenda Song now and they seem to be doing good.
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He doesn't have any of the money left over from home alone or a richy rich or any of his dad stole it all from him.
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He got like a man stated at like 15.
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It's really really crazy.
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When I think of a lot of these child stars, I don't know if you guys have ever listened to Christy Carlson Romano's podcast.
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Yes.
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Yeah, interview is a lot of the 2000s Disney stars, a lot of the ones that we grew up with and just their experience, but I think of like Selena Gomez.
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Her public struggles with like mental health and maybe some substances Vanessa Hudge and Shia LeBuff, Demi LeBato, the Sprouse twins, like all very public Belathorn and Taapend for Brittany and Christina and all of those many, many years before as well.
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So it's such a pattern unfortunately.
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Another one that pops in my head. She's not Disney, but she's Nickelodeon.
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I know we kind of talked about this beforehand too is Jeanette McCurdy. Yeah, that's right.
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Oh my goodness. The struggles that she went through and that she publicly talks about in her book.
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I feel like it was definitely Dan Schneider who did it, but it was also her mom.
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Yeah, the creator that she mentions is.
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And he's got such a weird like foot fetish thing if you just Google Dan Schneider foot fetish it is disturbing what he was doing these actors do.
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Yeah, have a foot fetish. That's fine, but you're an adult and don't put it into your children's television shows and make like the underage people act.
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That makes a lot of sense though. That's so creepy. The Nickelodeon logo. Yeah, so fun. It was a foot. It's crazy.
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Oh my gosh. It's so fun.
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No. Oh my gosh.
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Consenting of age foot. Yeah.
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Oh man. I have my opinion on this, but I'm sure there's people out there who think, oh, what was them? Oh, they're ridiculously rich and have been their whole lives.
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Like, what kind of problems could they really have? I mean to those people like I would just say.
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These kids didn't get into this themselves. They had parents who put them into it. And even if you tell your parents, oh, I want to act. I want to be a movie star. I want to be a rock star, whatever. I want to play music.
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They can't drive themselves to auditions and also they can't make the choices of what roles to take them.
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There has to be some kind of parental influence in power there and keeping them safe.
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So I don't care that they're ridiculously rich. That's not worth their mental physical health and safety.
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Yeah, I have a hot take. I don't think children should be allowed to like child act.
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Like if you look at we have 30 year olds playing teenagers, why do we need like little kids actually playing little kids?
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Doesn't make a lot of friends to me. I think there's a lot that can be done and way more safeguards that can be put into place.
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Parents aren't going to do it.
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So who do you think should play like a kid in a movie? Like a very small person?
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A small person? CGI? A CGI? Make a look younger?
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Interesting. I guess I could see that. I'm just thinking of the CGI baby and Twilight though.
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Remina or what? Runez May. Yeah. So bad.
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No, I see where you're coming from though. I think there are definitely workarounds that could be done to at least shorten a child's time on set and not make them the star of the entire series.
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But then it's just I don't know. Then it's like children's television. Do we want adults all being the actors and stars of children's television? I don't know.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Yeah. But I mean we don't let teenagers see their cells in it. That's true.
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You know, it always creeps me out too if you're watching even these screen movies where I watch bodies, bodies, bodies recently.
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And I think there's supposed to be in college, but at a certain point in a lot of these movies, like people start making out and taking off their clothes and like in Riverdale and stuff too.
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And my husband and I will be like, okay, we know the actors are in their 20s. They're probably pushing 30, but they're playing 16.
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And they're having like a raunchy sexy right now.
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And like I just don't know where the line is of appropriateness there. I'm like, am I allowed to be I feel creepy and gross watching it? I don't know.
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Like this we're supposed to be suspending our imagination watching people act. You're supposed to be thinking while you're watching euphoria.
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Oh, these are all teenagers. Okay, but they're all like bangin'.
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Yeah, I don't know. It's weird.
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Yeah. People are saying that these kids are so rich, blah blah blah, how can their life be so bad? I kind of think, do you really think that these kids are rich?
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I guarantee you most of their parents are taking in that money for themselves and not either opening up a savings account for their kid or putting it aside for their kid or getting their kid.
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I don't know if you can get a bank account at that young of an age, but whatever.
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Some kind of trust or something. Yeah, I tend to these kids themselves aren't rich. It's going to be their parents that are inhaling all that money.
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It's really cool. It's like we just said.
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Yeah. And another person/pair that came into my head as we were talking about child actors is the Olsen twins.
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Oh, yeah. Yes.
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Like they were on full house. They had their own shows when they were growing up, Marikain Ashley, whatever they did, went to grandma's house, I don't know.
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But they just went out of the spotlight and they not trying to sound mean or anything like that. But you have Elizabeth Olsen who looks incredible.
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She's gorgeous, beautiful, as a great actress. And then you kind of see the Olsen twins and they just look like they're run down and drained.
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And it's sad to see because they were such cute child stars. And now they're kind of just there, I guess.
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Yeah, and I respect them for they both realized they didn't want to be actress. And so they went their way like the fashion industry.
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So I think that takes a lot of courage to be like, oh, this is what I was supposed to do my whole life. And this is what everyone expects me to do. And I don't want to do it.
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But yeah, they're totally under the radar now. And you know, good for them if they're getting that ounce of privacy that I'm sure so many child stars are just clamoring for.
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Yeah. Yeah, I just every time I think about the Olsen twins leaving, I just think about that countdown to when they turned 18 and how disgusting that was.
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Yeah. And forgotten gone too soon, Mary Kate was essentially with Heath Ledger when he passed away, right?
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Like there's there's a lot of stuff going on there, even, you know, with with him, where they just lived a really hard life.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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God, the countdown to 18 is just so gross and like, really Bobby Brown went through similar stuff where like, this is a child that you guys and yeah, people are just counting down until they feel they're allowed to lust after her.
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And just the sexualization of these child stars is so ridiculous too. And obviously stuff with Britney has come to the limelight with that.
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Just the way that she was interviewed and sexualized is such a young age. But you know, the Burke Shields documentary coming out and like, I don't know, the way that these young girls, especially are supposed to portray sexual creatures that have young age Natalie Portman is spoken out about it too.
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But it's just, I don't know, who's looking out for these kids?
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You know, there is the the Cougan law, but really it doesn't do enough. I think it says they have to say about 20% put it in a trust, but a lot of that, you know, doesn't doesn't meet the millions of dollars that they're making.
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You know, it really does come down when I was thinking about this to what makes a child's son or like make it out alive and what makes them really trouble that comes down to the parents and them looking out for them, like really popular Disney children, like a good example is Zendaya and Bella Thorne, right?
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And Daya has two amazing parents who are very hands on, very involved, very involved in her career. She has exploded and gone this really great path and is very respected, despite, you know, being a black woman and one of the first like really successful black Disney stars, right?
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At least for her as a leading woman and then you look at like a Bella Thorne who was unfortunately like being abused at home and all the things that she's gone through and it really comes down to those parents like we talked about Christy Carlson Romano, great parents, shall above horrible parents.
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And it just keeps going.
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Exactly like Hillary Duff came out pretty well and has a thriving career now and Hillary Duff's parents seem very supportive and she's got her sister there too who's in the industry and people like to put her up on the pedestal of like the child star who made it out on the other side, but I agree it's a lot of her parents.
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Now obviously you put personal responsibility in there to some degree if you these people are doing with their time, but you're raised in that environment, of course, and you're around drugs and just people exploiting you, that's what you're going to know, that's why you're raised.
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Yeah.
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Unfortunately, the system looks for those kids that can be exploited because a way around the coup in law is if they get emancipated there an adult that can work like an adult.
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And so a lot of the time they'll manipulate these kids into it and get them to to act this way and a lot of people hate on these nepotism children because like they have it all and they seem so successful.
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They probably are like the best suited in the industry is to like actually survive that they parents who get it and like are already successful and all those things.
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That's a really good point.
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I didn't think about that with nepotism movies.
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Like their parents are like, okay, this is what you do. This is what you don't do. I got you.
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This is like how we're going to navigate this together because I've been there.
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Yeah, except for lesbian and that side, but I think that is a big reason that a lot of these people will invest in them because it's like, okay, your parents have prepared you and done these things to set you up.
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I do want to have a conversation in a later episode about just nepotism babies in general and ones that we think have actually earned their keep and others that are like, what?
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I saw this really funny YouTube video and it was like what nepotism babies are we saving in our car in the apocalypse?
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And I think we should do something like that. I think it would be really, really fun.
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We have a survivor. We have a survivor status of the nepotism babies. We put them through a ring of challenges.
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We break them on a likelihood of survival techniques. That's how they get in the car.
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Oh my god. That totally just reminded me of another TikTok that was.
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Now we're going to get a tangent. I don't care. It was like things that are likely to kill Gwyneth Paltrow.
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They were like raiding different items and they're like slamming hot cheetos.
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Yes, absolutely. She eats one. She is dead.
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One shot at tequila. Done.
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Oh my god. She's dead.
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One pickle back to us over the edge.
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She only needs her bone broth.
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Oh my god.
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I feel like we can go on forever about this topic because there's so many child stars that have gone through this.
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