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Fridays with Jack Windsor · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: The talk station.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, thirty fifty five KCD talk station. Happy Friday. Always
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  Speaker 2: a great time to be tuned in. Friday's this time
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  Speaker 2: we get talked to get to We enjoy the company
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  Speaker 2: of Jack Windsor from the Ohio Press Network Final on
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  Speaker 2: line at the Ohiopressnetwork dot com. I'm staring at the
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  Speaker 2: page right now. It's a good one to bookmark. Welcome back, Jack,
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  Speaker 2: my friend. Always enjoy having you on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Brian, It's always an honor and a pleasure. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for choosing me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, happy to man because you provide some great information
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  Speaker 2: and I understand you wanted to talk a little bit
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  Speaker 2: about Andy Wilson, who's replacing Yost as attorney general here
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  Speaker 2: in the state of Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we received a lot of inquiries from readers and
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  Speaker 1: listeners because Andy Wilson is set to take over the
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  Speaker 1: post of Attorney General. I think it's June seventh. I
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  Speaker 1: have to check my notes. But obviously Dave Yost stepped
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  Speaker 1: down for an opportunity in the private sector, and medicaid
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  Speaker 1: fraud cases are active, right, there's a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot going Really, I didn't get the memo on that.
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  Speaker 2: Now we're nationwide on that reality we're there with Minnesota.
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  Speaker 2: Now in the reporting on it, it's always Minnesota and
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  Speaker 2: Ohio among all the other states.
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  Speaker 1: It's scared, yes, And so a lot of people thought, well,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, if Yost is going away and this
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  Speaker 1: new guy comes in, is he going to be a placeholder?
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  Speaker 1: Is he going to be aggressive? And obviously he's currently
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  Speaker 1: public Safety director, but he's a former prosecutor, and many
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  Speaker 1: people had some positive things to say as I started
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  Speaker 1: turning over the rocks about his prosecutorial work. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: happy to report that after I started digging a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: I found that Andy Wilson was actually in Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 1: With Ohio Auditor Keith Faber. They both attended JD. Vance's
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  Speaker 1: press conference where he addressed rampant waste, fraud and abuse
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  Speaker 1: and government programs, particularly Medicaid. So my understanding is Andy
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  Speaker 1: Wilson is read in, and I do expect the Ohio
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  Speaker 1: Auditor to be dropping more information on several ways that
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  Speaker 1: waste is seeping into our system and what they're going
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  Speaker 1: to do about it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, the first eater job was minises, and
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  Speaker 2: they're still prosecuting people. They're still going through the records
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  Speaker 2: and Obviously there's some stonewalling by the folks up there.
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to hope that Ohio doesn't stone wall and
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  Speaker 2: every one of the entities that has information on the
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  Speaker 2: fraud and abuse would be more than happy to cooperate
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  Speaker 2: because now we're finally, we finally have our eyes focused
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  Speaker 2: on it. Oh Look, but isn't it an interesting thing?
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  Speaker 1: Jack?
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  Speaker 2: Because I know you've read the reporting on this the
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  Speaker 2: Daily Wire, for example, I spoke with the reporter who
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  Speaker 2: provided the information. This electronic verification is mandated by federal law.
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  Speaker 2: If you must have this luck, this GPS tracking before
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  Speaker 2: you get paid, it's precondition of payment. You have to
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  Speaker 2: provide the tracking information to show that that provider was
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  Speaker 2: actually doing the thing that they say they were doing,
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  Speaker 2: that they're billing for. Who in God's name shut that
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  Speaker 2: off in Ohio? It seems to be a swirling mystery.
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  Speaker 2: And by what authority they have to shut it down?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I joke about that, and I hope
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  Speaker 1: I don't convolute the matter too much and confuse listeners.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, remember back during COVID, when the mine
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  Speaker 1: stepped in front of Amy, acting figuratively of course, and
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  Speaker 1: said the buck stops with me. Well, that's what needs
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  Speaker 1: to happen here, because I'm assuming it's probably the former
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  Speaker 1: director of Medicaid, Maureen Corkoran, who stepped down after we
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  Speaker 1: started our investigative reporting, after State Representative Mike Devilla started
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  Speaker 1: digging and found about six billion dollars a year flowing
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  Speaker 1: through the system without proper oversight. So I think it
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  Speaker 1: probably boils down to there was a bureaucrat and administrator
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  Speaker 1: in the Department of Medicaid who talked her way into
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  Speaker 1: doing the thing that she shouldn't have done, which was
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  Speaker 1: turn off EVV. And oh, by the way, they brag about, well,
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  Speaker 1: we made it mandatory. And then once they made it mandatory,
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  Speaker 1: we have to remind listeners, they made the GPS function
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  Speaker 1: of that optional, yes, which gave the EVV not teeth. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Governor Mike Dwine Keith Faber gave him props
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  Speaker 1: during a testimony in the General Assembly this week and said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, at least the governor has kind of coming
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  Speaker 1: along with this and offering some more stringent rules and regulations,
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  Speaker 1: but we have to call it what it is. Mike
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  Speaker 1: DeWine did not see the light. Mike Dwine felt the heat,
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  Speaker 1: and so he did what he had to do. I think,
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  Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, billions of dollars
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  Speaker 1: probably slipped through the system, and improper payments were certainly made.
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  Speaker 1: And I think most of Ohioans just want to see
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  Speaker 1: some orange jumpsuits out of this.
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  Speaker 2: Brian, Oh, yeah, absolutely. And of course, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: heaven Andy Wilson's ageal result in that get some people prosecuted,
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  Speaker 2: line them up, and that's wonderful. I just still wonder
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  Speaker 2: what motivation someone would have to not want to protect
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  Speaker 2: the taxpayer dollars. I know, the big fat money flowing
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  Speaker 2: in for Medicaid helped bolster our revenues or whatever. I
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  Speaker 2: just find it offensive unethical. These are American taxpayer dollars,
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  Speaker 2: much of which comes from or many a lot of
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  Speaker 2: it comes from Ohio taxpayers i e. Constituents. But any
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  Speaker 2: damn taxpayer dollars stolen or allowed to slip out through
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  Speaker 2: negligence or intentional relaxing of these impediments to getting fraudulent
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  Speaker 2: payments for allowing fraudulent payments to go out, you know,
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  Speaker 2: crucifixion sounds to me like a good idea.
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  Speaker 1: Jack. Listen, if either you or I if we cheated
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  Speaker 1: the system for say even a thousand bucks, we'd go
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  Speaker 1: to jail. Oh yeah, these are people who allowed hundreds
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  Speaker 1: of millions, if not billions of dollars to flow through
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  Speaker 1: the system. And I'll just say this, at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, their bureaucrats, their government union employees, they're
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  Speaker 1: not going to turn on each other. And that's the problem. Luckily,
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  Speaker 1: Ohio has a new Medicaid administrator. My sources tell me
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  Speaker 1: that he's taking this investigation seriously, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: they're going to implement some changes. You have to stay
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  Speaker 1: on top.
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  Speaker 2: Of it right, get in front of it, prevent it
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  Speaker 2: from happening going out. This is I've made this comment before.
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  Speaker 2: We do tech fronted with Dave Hatter, and he always
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  Speaker 2: talks about Internet of things devices. They're designed to just
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  Speaker 2: capture data. They're designed to get out into the market quickly.
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  Speaker 2: They don't think about security. He always points out, you
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  Speaker 2: need to build security in as number one feature and
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  Speaker 2: then do whatever else your app does. I have said
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  Speaker 2: this is the same thing. If a dollar of tax
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  Speaker 2: payer money is going out, the first and foremost thing
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  Speaker 2: is there should be a mechanism in there to prevent
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  Speaker 2: anyone from bilking the system. These government programs, it's almost
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  Speaker 2: like they're intentionally designed to be lax to allow this
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  Speaker 2: to happen.
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  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, what came first, the chicken or the egg?
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people go, yeah, how do we get here? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think some nefarious people found loopholes, and in places
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  Speaker 1: like Minnesota, the people that exploited the loopholes, I'm certain
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  Speaker 1: gave some money back to the people in power, or
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  Speaker 1: delivered votes or something else. Now is that the case
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  Speaker 1: in Ohio? I think you have a governor who loves
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  Speaker 1: a big government and you have administrators who are just
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  Speaker 1: lazy and think if there's more money in the system,
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  Speaker 1: that means that we're helping more people. No, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: It can mean that money's going to the wrong people
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  Speaker 1: and the people who really need it are not getting
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  Speaker 1: the resources they need.
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  Speaker 2: And therein lies the ultimate point. Jack winsor pause theohiopressnetwork
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  Speaker 2: dot Com. We're going to find out about Well there's
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  Speaker 2: that word again. If it comes from government and has
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  Speaker 2: the word free next to it, there ain't no free lunch.
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  Speaker 2: Jack Wins is going to talk about free college and
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  Speaker 2: tech schools. We'll get to that in a moment, please stick.
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  Speaker 1: Around fifty five KRC.
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  Speaker 2: I'm no talk station. It is say, thirty nine to
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  Speaker 2: fifty five kcdtalkdation. It is Friday, and I'm happy about it.
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  Speaker 2: I got Jack Windsor, I'm staring at him. I get
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  Speaker 2: the benefit of seeing them on zoom, and we get
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  Speaker 2: the benefit of his commentary. And of course he's reporting
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  Speaker 2: the Ohio Pressnetwork dot Com pivoting over there. Ain't no
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  Speaker 2: free lunch, Jack Windsor, you know that. But making public
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  Speaker 2: college and tech schools free huh wow.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds great on the surface, right, because.
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  Speaker 2: Saying free sounds great.
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  Speaker 1: They tell you an economics class, ain't no such thing
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  Speaker 1: as a free lunch, And that's really the case here.
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  Speaker 1: Democrats dropped House Spill eight fifty four, and it's designed
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  Speaker 1: to make public college and trade school tuition free in Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: And it would make tuition free at the public colleges
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  Speaker 1: and trade schools. And the pitch for doing that is, well,
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  Speaker 1: this will remove the cost barrier, it will help lower
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  Speaker 1: income earners, it will help minorities. But the funding mechanism,
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  Speaker 1: as you can probably figure out, is new taxes on
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  Speaker 1: high earners, bigger payroll taxes, on businesses and along the
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  Speaker 1: line of nothing is free, somebody's going to pay somewhere,
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  Speaker 1: and in this case, the bill shifts the cost onto
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  Speaker 1: successful Ohioans and employers who create jobs here. And really,
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  Speaker 1: when you dig into this, it's classic tax and spend.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds compassionate on the surface, but raises the cost of
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  Speaker 1: doing business in Ohio. And I think not only does
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  Speaker 1: it hit higher income earners who already carry a heavy load.
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  Speaker 1: The real question is whether it creates more opportunity or
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  Speaker 1: just another program that grows government and raises everyone's tax burden.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's the latter. It grows government, raises
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  Speaker 1: the tax burden. And Brian, you know enough about economics.
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  Speaker 1: What's going to happen when you put this artificial increase
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  Speaker 1: in demand signal in the marketplace? Demand goes up, Supply
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  Speaker 1: really doesn't. So colleges are going to get crafty. And
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  Speaker 1: we've seen this before right play out with government funding
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  Speaker 1: and colleges got fat, the degree got less valuable. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what you're going to run into here, is you're
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  Speaker 1: going to have a bunch of degrees that don't hold
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  Speaker 1: as much value, and somebody's going to get left holding
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  Speaker 1: the bag for the cost of this education, and usually
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  Speaker 1: it's the average taxpayer.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, you mentioned the degrees get less valuable.
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  Speaker 2: I suppose if the college education is free at least,
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  Speaker 2: you know, under a you have to pay for it
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  Speaker 2: or go into debt to pay for it mechanism, and
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  Speaker 2: it hasn't always worked out well for everybody. You have
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  Speaker 2: some incentive to pursue a degree that is going to
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  Speaker 2: result in employment, not some sort of social and you know,
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  Speaker 2: nonsensical studies program about You know, that's a hobby man.
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  Speaker 2: I say that about art degies. I've made fun of myself.
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  Speaker 2: I got a political science degree, Jack, What the hell
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  Speaker 2: could I have done with that? I went to law school.
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  Speaker 2: The reason I got the political science degrees because I
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  Speaker 2: knew I wanted to go to law school, not that
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  Speaker 2: I was going to get in. We still had meritocracy
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  Speaker 2: back then. Se Yeah, competition, but I did get in. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 2: I look back on it and going, well, I loved politics.
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  Speaker 2: I got to talk about politics and wax poetic about
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  Speaker 2: philosophy and things like that. But would I have been
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  Speaker 2: employed with the political science degree, same thing with an
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  Speaker 2: art degree, same thing with a I don't know. Black
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  Speaker 2: Studies program. Maybe it's valuable on some level, but there
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  Speaker 2: isn't a job out there for a lot of these degrees.
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  Speaker 2: You make it free. It sounds to me like you're
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  Speaker 2: going to create more of these. Oh I just want
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  Speaker 2: to go and study Italian ancient history or something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well said. So, not only do you lower the
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  Speaker 1: cost of the degree, here's the other thing that I
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  Speaker 1: think you really run the risk of doing. We've covered
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  Speaker 1: several stories that came from accuracy and media. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you've ever run across them, but they've done
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  Speaker 1: a lot of great investigative work. In Ohio, Kent State University,
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  Speaker 1: University of Cincinnati, the Ohio State University, University of Toledo,
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  Speaker 1: all of those schools have been found skirting the recent
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  Speaker 1: Senate Bill one law change that requires colleges to not
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  Speaker 1: make de EI mandatory. Well guess what they're doing exactly
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  Speaker 1: what they were doing before the legislature made the change.
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  Speaker 1: And so you go, oh, okay, so they're willfully choosing
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  Speaker 1: to indoctrinate students. And I look at that and go, no, thanks.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want a free education for kids that are
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  Speaker 1: going to go into an indoctrination center, I mean, and
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  Speaker 1: by the way, the trade part of it maybe is
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  Speaker 1: a little better. I love the idea of kids graduating
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  Speaker 1: with a trade, but again you have to ask yourself
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  Speaker 1: the question who's going to ultimately pay the price and
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  Speaker 1: how valuable is the education going to be?
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  Speaker 2: Well, and you hit the nail on the head of
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  Speaker 2: something that just troubles me to know. And this idea
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  Speaker 2: that you know, it's K through twelve twelve has now
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  Speaker 2: been polluted with this left wing ideology that used to
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  Speaker 2: be exclusively the realm of college and now they want
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  Speaker 2: to have pre K. So from womb to womb to
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  Speaker 2: you know, age twenty two to twenty four through college,
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  Speaker 2: it's one constant indoctrination camp. And so this this sort
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  Speaker 2: of this feeding at the collective trophy and handing out
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  Speaker 2: free college education just ensures that more people are going
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  Speaker 2: to be subjected to the indoctrination you talk.
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  Speaker 1: About, which is exactly why democrats love it. Progressives love
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  Speaker 1: it and will continue to pitch it. They love the
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  Speaker 1: idea of using other people's money to indoctrinate other people's kids.
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  Speaker 2: They do, and so much of our taxpayer dollars, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's along these lines go to do that, but also
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  Speaker 2: the taxpayer dollars like, for example, that flow into the
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  Speaker 2: city coffers, funding a bunch of non governmental organizations which
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  Speaker 2: are canvassing and roaming the streets, and support of left
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  Speaker 2: wing candidates in their off time. That's the reward they
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  Speaker 2: get from getting city taxpayer dollars for whatever community work
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  Speaker 2: they're doing. Jack Wins, don't call away. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: talk about the debate over data centers. People not real
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  Speaker 2: happy with them, but can we say no to them?
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  Speaker 2: Jack Windsor from the High Press Network one more segment
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  Speaker 2: fifty five KRC in this edition of the Marketer's Report.
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  Speaker 2: Scott Henchel would it is a forty seven to fifty
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  Speaker 2: the High Press Network going through Ohio issues every Friday,
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  Speaker 2: beginning at eight thirty. Got one more segment with Jackson
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  Speaker 2: on the line, the debate over data centers. And I
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  Speaker 2: guess I understand on some level why people don't like them.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's like windmill farms or solar panel farms.
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  Speaker 2: You know, people got a problem with them. They don't
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  Speaker 2: look good. They in this case use up key bloads
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  Speaker 2: of electricity, right, Jack, and our electricity bills. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how you feel about it. Mine's gone through the
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  Speaker 2: roof and I'm not happy about it. But I hope
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  Speaker 2: that someday that these AI centers will bring forth a
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  Speaker 2: new revolution with small modular reactors so we can all
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  Speaker 2: have cheap abound of electricity with no carbon. Jack, Fine,
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  Speaker 2: but this technology is coming whether we want it or not.
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  Speaker 2: And I think, Jack, let me ask you this and
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  Speaker 2: see if you feel the same way I do. I
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  Speaker 2: think a lot of the online backlash, the social media
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  Speaker 2: anti artificial intelligence posts and people's anger toward it, and
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  Speaker 2: this being elevated to the point we're getting really really
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  Speaker 2: anti AI is generated a lot by our adversaries, like
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  Speaker 2: the CCP, maybe the Russians. I don't know. Someone is
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  Speaker 2: going to dominate this, and if we don't take the
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  Speaker 2: bull by the horns and be that someone, then we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna end up falling by the wayside in a bad way.
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  Speaker 2: So it's coming whether we like it or not. Do
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  Speaker 2: we want to control it or do we want to
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  Speaker 2: say nimbi to everything not in my backyard and let
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  Speaker 2: somebody else do it?
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  Speaker 1: Jack, your thoughts, there's a lot there, and I could
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  Speaker 1: talk about this for an hour. I like to use
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  Speaker 1: this comparison. Imagine that we're in the early nineteen hundreds
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  Speaker 1: and some people are squawking because they own a buggy
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  Speaker 1: company and they think, if we make the wheels better,
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  Speaker 1: if we if we find a better whip, the horses
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  Speaker 1: will go faster.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the automobile is ruthless people. Wasn't it that movie? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's that what it was. There'd be one buggy whip
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  Speaker 2: manufacturer left. It'd be the best buggy whip in the world,
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  Speaker 2: but nobody's gonna buy it because we've moved on.
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  Speaker 1: And that's really where we are with AI. Like I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking at you right now and you have a Cincinnati
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  Speaker 1: Reds jersey on it right. For years, how many people
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  Speaker 1: complained about how much money professional athletes make. You know
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  Speaker 1: what my answer was, then don't watch, don't buy the apparel,
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  Speaker 1: don't go to the game. When the market demands something,
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  Speaker 1: people are going to deliver it. And so the hard
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  Speaker 1: reality is we have AI because people are using AI.
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  Speaker 1: And I think what we have to think about is
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  Speaker 1: what is fair, what is safe? And at what point
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  Speaker 1: is government involvement excessive? And so I think that's what
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  Speaker 1: we're wrestling with now. Luckily of Ohio really is on
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  Speaker 1: the bleeding edge. You hit the nail on the head.
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  Speaker 1: We have legislation that has been passed that allows these
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  Speaker 1: data centers to build their own power supply on site,
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  Speaker 1: which is important. Governor Dewined this week just paused the
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  Speaker 1: tax exemption for new data centers, so that part of
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  Speaker 1: the challenge is going away because most people go, look,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to carry the burden that these big
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  Speaker 1: companies should be carrying. And so that's kind of falling
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  Speaker 1: into place. And I think there's still this ecological aspect
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  Speaker 1: as well. Is my this is a wastewater going to
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  Speaker 1: be brown? Is it going to screw with the water supply?
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  Speaker 1: We have to really figure those things out. Ty Matthews
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  Speaker 1: State Representative has a bill, it's six point twenty eight
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  Speaker 1: designed to create an independent verification organization to verify the
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  Speaker 1: safety and risk mitigation of artificial intelligence models and applications.
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  Speaker 1: It would go up under the Attorney General's office and
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  Speaker 1: the auditor would have some purview there. So, you know,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of moving pieces, but I'm going
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: to go back to one thing. People are demanding it
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: and on both sides. What really concerns me, Brian is
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: you have it doesn't surprise me that AOC and Bernie
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Sanders don't want data centers. What concerns me is there
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: are some people on the extreme or alternative right who
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: have really complex conspiracy theories that has really created some
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: hate and vitriol for technological advancement, which concerns me a
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: little bit.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Conspiracy conspiracy theories along the lines of what.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Jack surveillance state that we're all going to go crazy,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: that it causes cancer, that they're going to be able
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: to surveil everything you want, and I go, they already do.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: That's yeah, right, we know this is going on. Yeah,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: the whole five, the court thing, the whole idea. We
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: got this the Patriot Act, where they can listen to
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: phone calls some foreign nationals, and if you talk to
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: a foreign national, as I have in the past, and
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: I got a friend that lives in France, that means
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: that they can listen to every conversation you've had. Everybody else.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: We talk with Judging and Apaul Todd about this all
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I think it's it's about striking that balance.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: And look, I think this will eventually come into play.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: But Ohio is one of the top five states in
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: the country. We have over two hundred data centers, and
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of nimbi's people will use it. My guess
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: is many of the people who say not in my
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: backyard are also on grock or chat GPT, really yucking
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: it up and getting more efficient personally or with their businesses. Yeah.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: This is not to say I embraced the whole idea
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: that we have to deal with AI, because honestly, Jack,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I wish this was ach This was a technological development
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: that never happened. If for no other reason, it's dumbing
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: down the population, most notably our children relying on it.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: It's no longer logic and reason that leads you to
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: the answer. I love the Internet pre AI because all
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: the information was there. You had go out find it,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: read the article, draw your own conclusions, and come up
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: with some satisfactory answer to whatever it is you want
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: to get out of the world. In terms of information.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: This takes all that out of the equation. You ask
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: one question, and this scrapes data from literally the four
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: corners of the world of the Internet and summarizes it
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: for you, which is lazy.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Not only is it lazy, it comes back to a
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: really significant issue that we can't gloss over by programs.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: The programmer right, bias? Who yeah, bias? What's in that
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: person's mind that wrote the code, because this will eventually
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: be self generating. But when you go all the way
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: back to the source, to the beginning, what is that
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: person or what is that code believe in? And if
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: that's not right, you know how that works. You can
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: be off this much in the beginning. Years down the
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: road you're miles apart. And so that's the drift. I
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: get really concerned about who is God? Who are we?
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: What is our role? What is the truth? What government
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: structure works? If we don't get any of that right,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: we could be screwed.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: That's the direction that I always think. But going back
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: to the original premise, it's out there. You can't unring
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: the bell, and so you better damn we'll get in
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: front of it. Because as much as I have well
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: less a belief in my own government because of all
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: the times we've been allied to, I a lot trust
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: or trust us a lot more to deal with it
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: and provide the truth and maybe some oversight that will
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: ensure that this nefarious element never happens. You're more likely
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: to get that here than any place else on the globe.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: That's accurate. And by the way, I want to make
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: sure that I validate one thing that you're saying, not
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: that you need my validation, but China is very much
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: behind the push within America to get people to hate
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: data centers in AI and technological advancement because they'd love
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: to win that.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's ultimately my argument. It ain't going away.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: We better be in charge of it. Jack Wins at
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: the Ohio Pressnetwork dot com. Jack, I appreciate your time
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: every week here on the fifty five Carcy more sure.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to next Friday and doing it again.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Go Reds.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Goodness ye brother, take care of man. This is my
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: dad's shirt from fifty years ago. I got a REDS
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: jersey on. It's a real it's an official Rawlings jersey.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: It's got the number fifty five and the REDS patch
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: on it.