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What's up, gentlemen?
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It's Super Bowl week.
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Yes, sir.
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Yes, sir.
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I already got, I already got a couple parlays going.
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You know?
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You know?
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Hey.
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Coach is trying to hit one of these and retire from his 65 jobs.
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Well, you know what?
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It it'll happen.
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So but yeah.
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You know, it's Super Bowl week.
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You know, we just saw some highlights of the boringness all star game ever in the Pro Bowl.
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Oh, was that going on?
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Yeah.
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I think it was last week or something, but they're replaying it.
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But, you know, but out of all that, I mean, you know, what can we say?
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You know, as long as we get a good Super Bowl season, you know, to end the season, I think
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the season is was a phenomenal year with a lot of great games and stuff like that.
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Let's end it on a banger.
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Yeah.
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And I think it's gonna be a hell of a game.
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I kind of after watching the first round of the player, you know, the second round, I had
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called Seattle being real tough towards the end of the season.
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Watch them kick the shit
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out of the niners was very eye opening.
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Yeah.
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There you go.
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So so that's what we said, Daniel.
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Close to it.
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Yeah.
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Andre in the house.
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Welcome in, brother.
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I'm looking forward to some hot takes tonight out of Andre.
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I'm sure we're gonna find him.
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Shout out to vocal Vik who brought his
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Well, over under that, you know, he talked about firing, KOC throughout the show.
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I mean, over under.
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I mean
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Crazy firing.
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We know that, KOC is safe at least for this week, but, you know, I think his seat's hot.
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If this offense comes out and stumbles early on, he's got no excuses, but I because I think
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and let's just start there.
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For everybody that doesn't know, hot news of the week here in Vikings fandom, Quasi Adolfo
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Mensa fired after the senior bowl.
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Weird timing.
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A lot of talk about that.
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It kinda seems like they maybe shipped him out for the senior bowl, had some secret meetings
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behind, closed doors while he was gone, and said, see you later.
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This is something we were calling for midseason.
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I I think from the first the first time that we had done the show, this had been a topic of
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discussion.
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So no surprise here.
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Quasi fired, and now I think KOC given a lot of authority over the picks that are going to
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happen.
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Right?
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You don't have a GM that they're hiring until after the draft.
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So, you know, it almost puts him in a hotter of a seat, I feel like, moving forward.
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There's no stumbling entering the entering our fan bases in shambles.
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I thought everybody was gonna be happy, Andre.
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Like, I just I figured everybody was kinda calling for this, you know, for a long time,
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but now it's KOCs turn to shit or get off the pot.
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Look, buddy.
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You you like to lay the blame at everyone else's feet, your young quarterback, your
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staff, and all these different things now.
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So put up or shut up.
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You you have the reins now.
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What are you gonna do about it?
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And I don't I think the leash is gonna be fairly short.
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I think you could see a midseason firing of a head coach because you've resigned Bflow.
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Right?
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And and you could feel very comfortable putting him in that position.
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We've had some other, you know, assistant head coaching hire as well.
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So you kinda have people waiting in the wings now.
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So for me, this firing, I I think, is going to make KOC's seat a little bit hotter if there
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are some stumbles out of the gate next, you know, next season.
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Coach, what's your take?
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Well, I mean, first of all, wow.
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Like, weird timing.
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You know?
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And you never I don't know.
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I I was on the train of letting him go mid season, before the season, and even before last
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season.
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But, you know, my sources say that he wasn't liked inside that office, that front office.
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Him and Flores didn't get along.
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It was known that he was kinda just learning on the job, And, I mean, you could tell.
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You could definitely tell in some areas.
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So, I mean, we'll we'll have to see what goes on.
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But, like you said, now KOC can't blame anybody.
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Like, it's it's on him.
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Like, it's put up or shut up time, like you said.
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Should her get off the pot.
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Let's see if we can do it.
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If we start off slow, you know, it who knows how long that leash is gonna be?
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I you know, the, you know, the behind the Adam Thielen signing or the trade, that wasn't even
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a chaos a quasi move or nothing like that.
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He had nothing to do with that.
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I got people telling me that, you know, it's the now acting as GM that pulled the trigger on
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that.
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So, I mean, it just makes you wonder what are we even doing.
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Yeah.
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Bee, what do you got on the Quasi firing?
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Well, I mean, it was funny because I'm at work, and my boss calls me on the on the work phone.
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You know, I sit in the office all day.
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He calls on the work phone and goes, hey.
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They just fired.
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I was like, what?
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Really?
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And, you know, so then I said I texted you guys.
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But, overall, I'm somewhat shocked.
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But, I mean, you breed in a guy to run an organization that's I mean, he probably knows
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the game of football, but he's never been in a football organization.
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He would come from Wall Street.
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You know?
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So I I think they were trying to play the whole analytics game and see what, you know, formulas
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he can come up with and, you know, ideas, and it just didn't work.
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So now, like we said, you know, KLC's got pretty much full control of the draft and what
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it's gonna be.
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Hopefully, he doesn't his ego doesn't get involved too much, and they talk about things
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instead of trying to get his guys.
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I'm just kinda worried now that maybe with all that power, you know, if the Joe Burrow saga
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continues or the trade rumors continues, does he pull that trigger to bring in Joe Burrow to
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get his guy?
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Does he go outside Aaron Rogers?
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You know, what what are those guys?
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Was JJ not his guys?
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So it's gonna be something that we're gonna watch all off season and see who's on the
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center week one.
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Hopefully, they go with the kid, but, again, if it wasn't if it wasn't a KLCs guy, where does
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that go now?
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I mean, I think that just leaves a bigger question on the offensive side at the
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quarterback position on what they're gonna do.
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Well and I just wanna address Andre's things here.
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Now Quasie may have wanted it, but Quasie and KOC got hired at the same time.
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So they they he never really was in that position.
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And if he was so adamant about Harbaugh, he didn't have to take the job either.
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Right?
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So, I mean, I I kinda pushed back a little bit on that.
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He says, we're doomed if KOC has all the power.
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I mean, that's we've seen.
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You know, to me, I think Brian Flores is gonna have quite a bit of say.
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We're really gonna see what that team looks like.
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I think the two gentlemen work pretty well together.
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You know, I I don't mind KOC as a head coach.
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Where I really had a problem with them was as the play caller.
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Now and and in theory, the whole Adam Thielen thing sounded good.
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Right?
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But you weren't having eyes on him in the building anymore.
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And and if you thought you were getting the Adam Thielen that you had on your team two
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years ago, and in your mind, you're like, oh, we're getting our guy.
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And then he shows up, and you're like, he's lost 30 attribute points in every area.
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Right?
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Like, that's he's just a different player.
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Right?
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And it's hard to see that if you're not really putting Eisen as a head coach.
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You're not getting that time.
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You're relying on your pro scouting department to kinda feed you some information.
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And, you know what?
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I I don't think it was great.
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If that was all KOC, and just to have that security blanket because you knew that you
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weren't going to have, you know, Jordan Addison for those first three games and Naylor's
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availability was looking iffy as well, and you just needed somebody that you could plug and
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play in.
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I kind of understand it, but giving up draft capital for a player that was barely on your
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team and then was happy to leave it and requesting to get out at the end of the day,
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this is not a good look.
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So, you know, a little bit of pushback there, but but also, you know, I can kinda understand
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the move.
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But, hey.
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It's it's not all about being comfortable.
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Sometimes you just gotta go.
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One thing I wanna add on that that led up to that Adam Thielen trade was you know, Naylor
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was hurt.
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Jefferson was battling an injury, and they you know, I'm I'm hearing that they actually went
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up to Quasi and was like, hey.
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We got what are we doing?
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We gotta get somebody in here.
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And he was just hemming and hawing at that.
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And then finally, you know, someone else had to step in and make the trade for a deal.
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And and
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Yeah.
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And Andre Not
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to happen.
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QB coach and then elevated to offensive coordinator on a team that went to the Super
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Bowl that year before.
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So he didn't just jump from QB coach to head coach.
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And and when you're looking for someone who doesn't have the experience, they gotta come
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from somewhere.
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So I don't know what you're kind of expecting to do.
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Obviously, it sounds like you were kind of a a Harbaugh guy, and you wanted Harbaugh just as
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much as Quasi did reportedly, which would I mean, I don't I'm not pushing back on the
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Harbaugh thing, but, you know, the guy's got an abrasive personality.
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He wanted all the control.
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Right?
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And you don't know that the, you know, belts were willing to do that.
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At the end of the day, we don't own the team.
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Right?
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We don't know what goes into those decisions.
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So, you know, not pushing back too much on it.
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I don't find I don't find KOC to be a bad leader of men.
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The way he, you know, has control over the locker room, the way he presents himself, I
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don't have a problem with that.
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I really had a problem with his play calling, and I don't know that he can ever get out of
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his own way in that regard as well.
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Well and I think that Not pushing back out.
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We know Sean McVeigh calls the plays in in his thing, but you you for a guy that's looking to
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elevate, like, where are you gonna go in that world?
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Right?
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So, you know, that's fine.
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I don't want KOC calling the plays on this team.
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I would prefer them find someone to go out and to be the play caller.
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I'm saying as a head coach, a CEO of the team, you have to deal with personalities, and you
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need a person in that position that can deal with different personality, that can maybe
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coddle someone when they needs it when they need it or to be a little bit more stern and to
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do that.
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Now that's to be seen.
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I I don't necessarily like how he handled the way he kinda threw his QB under the bus several
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times this year, but maybe that's what JJ needs to be the the quarterback that we want him to
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be.
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Maybe he needs a little bit of that tough love and to be called out publicly for some things.
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I think the continuing to take shots at him for missing that one practice when he was literally
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at the hospital watching his child be bored.
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I don't know if those shots need to do that, but, you know, we we see there.
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But the love for j Harbaugh, go back to when they I I think they were both in San Fran at
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the same time.
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I think he was in the office.
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So, of course, he's gonna want a guy he's familiar with.
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I'd have to go back and look and find out who was hired first, Quasi or KLC, because I know
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it was within matter of days, I think, between from the higher end of multiple.
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I'm sorry.
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Weren't you asking for Randy Moss to be the head coach last week on the show?
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I can't remember.
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You had a lot of crazy
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takes last week.
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So I'm Yeah.
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I'm cool.
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But but I definitely I'm with you, Bubba.
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I think I think KLC just needs to focus on the head coach.
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Let's get a offensive coordinator in there.
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You know, we already got d d coordinator that's doing a good job.
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Let's let's find some of that call the plays, you know, and and get the ship right.
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Yeah.
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I I just I I think it's asking too much.
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I I know there's some coaches, but those coaches aren't in the Super Bowl.
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Right?
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Those guys that are head coaches and calling the plays, you know, McVeigh's not in there,
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Right?
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And hasn't been really back to that level.
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I think it's a tough ask for any coach to be able to do to do both because there's so much
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going on on on the sideline.
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And, Cody, you can speak to this.
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You know?
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Were you calling the plays on your defense, with the Saint Paul Bears during this season?
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Me and coach Chris, McGregor.
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Yeah.
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We were we were tag teaming that up, and, know, I let, coach Fred Rashaw take care of the
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offense.
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I just let it go.
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You know, there is too much, you know, to manage also being GM of the team.
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You know?
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So it was it got to be a lot, and, you know, you just gotta you know, know when enough is
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enough and start delegating.
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And so that's what we had to do, and it it worked out.
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Exactly.
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And that's what I would like to see.
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I I would like to see KOC do a little bit more of this season because he's not going anywhere.
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Like I said, his his ass could be on the line by week eight if this team's stumbling and is
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below 500 entering mid of the season, especially if they do get the veteran
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quarterback that they want, and it and it appears like they're really going to, you know,
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assess those avenues.
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The Mac Jones trade wouldn't surprise us at this point.
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I think there were some failures.
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I think putting it on a, essentially a rookie QB right into his second year who was coming
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off a knee injury, I don't think that was a smart play.
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I I think having someone in the building that could start those first few games, which I
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don't think that KOC is, like, all out on JJ, but also coming into the season going, look.
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The kid we haven't seen the kid practice and be out on the field.
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He didn't get all that time on the field last year.
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Like, we should have someone that's in that role.
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And, obviously, with with Donald, you know, going to the Super Bowl this week and, you
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know, Daniel Jones kinda tearing things up the way that he was, I think a lot of that falls
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onto the that's crazy.
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That that's a crazy, crazy statement.
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KOC is the worst Viking coach of Vikings history by far.
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That's just wild, man.
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Man.
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Oh my god.
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That's just you're you're you're out of control, Andre.
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I I appreciate your taste.
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The the man's done nothing but win since he got here.
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He's had, you know, the even last year, they finished above 500.
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So to say he's a worth Viking coach by far
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is With Brad Childress?
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Yeah.
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That's My ties?
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Crazy.
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With my ties.
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What?
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Does he have flaws?
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Yes.
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But I don't think
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that he's perfect by any means.
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Get the job done, though.
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That was that was wild statement.
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I I appreciate you, Andre.
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Stick around.
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So so I looked it up.
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Kwasey was hired a month prior to KLC coming.
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January 26 was when Kwasey got hired, and then February 20 or February 22 is when, KLC got
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hired.
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So
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Yep.
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I mean, I well and how much say does a new GM coming in who's fresh to the job to have in
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that process.
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Right?
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Obviously, he wasn't given all the reins right off the the get go to make, you know, all of
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those decisions.
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And who knows?
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You know?
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Who knows where this team would be with Harbaugh?
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I mean, Harbaugh ended up spending another season at Michigan before getting a thing in
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here.
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And, you know, we maybe maybe we still end up with JJ McCarthy on this team considering that
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he played for Harbaugh at Michigan.
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Right?
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So, you know, where we stand now I know one thing that if Jim Harbaugh was here, we would
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be running the damn mall, you know, and we would be built around that.
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But we're not here to play revisionist history.
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The team is where we're at now.
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KLC is your head coach.
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He's also your de facto GM, I would assume, at this point being in here.
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Yeah.
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I think I think the reports are about Prudzinski, I think, on the role and Yeah.
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I guess what I'm saying
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is that he ain't making the football decision.
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Sounds like he's more of a a
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cap out Somebody guy.
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Yep.
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Gonna need.
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I think I think KOC is running the draft.
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That would be my opinion that he's definitely running that draft room and getting, you know,
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his guys in here, and you're gonna rely on, you know, the what was his name?
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B?
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Rob Perzinski is the money guy.
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So you'll be relying on Perzinski to kinda fill in the veteran roster and to kinda work it?
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Because you got some you got some finagling you need to do with this cap.
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Right?
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You got some caps that are are gonna be here.
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Yeah.
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Totally agree with you, Mike James.
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Yeah.
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This this is KOC's draft room now.
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Yeah.
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You don't know how much say and what that Excuse me.
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Courtroom was like in seasons past.
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And I think it's gonna be a lot of, you know, him and Flores and kinda laying I mean, they're
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laying the foundation for the next three years.
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They both are now on deals through 2029 to see what happens.
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And, you know, it it really puts the onus on them to go, okay, boys.
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Here's what you got.
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I I'm assuming KOC is gonna be in the room for the hiring of the next GM as well and is gonna
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be in the conversations as well as O'Brien Flores.
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I think you have to have Bflow and everybody kind of on the same page.
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You you want someone who's a partner, not necessarily coming over top of them to say this
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is my team.
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You're looking to put something together that they that work harmoniously between the three
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of them.
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I think the wolves are obviously happy with the coaching staffs that they have in place now,
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and they're willing to put someone in probably on a three year deal, I would assume, that
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kinda runs everybody running to the 2029.
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And then at that point, if it's, you know, in shambles that you're blowing the whole damn
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thing up, and maybe they are looking to tank a season and not looking at this kind of
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competitive rebuild that they've been stuck in for, you know, year after year.
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You know, one good season and then you're back to the competitive rebuild, and then you have
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another double digit win season, and then you're kinda back to the same thing.
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I I just I just admit envisioned that the draft room was, you know, the normal thing.
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But it always comes to mind, Draft did the movie where Kevin O'Connor or Kevin O'Connor.
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Kevin I can't think the actor's name.
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Walks into the room and goes, oh, the pic's already been in.
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And the and the whole room erupts, Like, I thought we're turning it together, you know,
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and stuff like that.
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So
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You can't base everything just off of playoff wins on No.
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I I understand.
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You're talking about the one one of those wins being the Minneapolis miracle.
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Right?
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Like, come on.
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You're talking about the flukiest of fluke plays that wins you a game against the saints.
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Like, you you that's not the coach.
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That's not the coach who won that game.
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That's an incredible play by one player.
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And, yes, with fairly new school.
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I haven't been with Or or
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a bad misplay on the defense.
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I mean, that could have gone either way.
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So
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Yeah.
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Okay, Andre.
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Well, we can we can agree to disagree on that.
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You have your opinions, obviously.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So a win is a win.
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So what about the 14 that they had last year or the, you know, what, 12 or 13 win season?
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So you're kinda contradicting yourself a little bit with your with your things here.
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KOC is your coach.
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So whether you like it or not and and I would like to see if a win is a win, then when he
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wins a playoff game next year, then he's the greatest coach of Vikings all time.
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Right?
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It's one playoff win now.
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He so I I would kinda like to see your theories here hold some water in case he does get a
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playoff win.
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So we'll we'll see what happens.
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I But but, Bubba, I think I think you're right, though.
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Going going into the season, and I think we could all agree, his his seat's gonna be on
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simmer.
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Oh, yeah.
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You know?
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You know?
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And depending on how the season goes, the plane's gonna turn out.
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It's it's all on scene.
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And, Andre, I'm not disagreeing with you here.
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If this team stumbles out the game, the offense looks like shit, he is can, and this is Oh,
25:07
yeah.
25:07
As his team.
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I am not disagreeing with you at all in that in that scope.
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But, again, I mean
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bringing in a veteran QB who's gonna be learning a new system and walking it.
25:21
Like, I don't know.
25:22
And I don't think that you go out and mortgage the entire future to get a borough.
25:28
You don't even know if
25:29
a borough is available.
25:30
Right?
25:30
That's right.
25:31
Or a or a Matt Stafford or, you know, some of the names that have been kicked around.
25:35
So I don't really know who's out there and who's gonna be available.
25:39
I think, honestly, what you end up with is a tier two veteran who can start in case the JJ
25:47
or to push JJ.
25:48
I think JJ McCarthy is your week one starter barring a Burrow trade.
25:53
Right?
25:53
That's just where I think it's going.
25:56
Or, you know, you never know.
25:57
The kid could get hurt.
25:58
Right?
25:58
The kid could get hurt in in training camp even though they're not doing their and come on.
26:05
You're a young man, Andre.
26:06
You're only 49, brother.
26:07
It's all we understand.
26:08
We all want a Super Bowl, right, before before we die.
26:12
But, yeah, I I I think that your best the best path to the the Super Bowl right now is letting
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this coaching staff do what they're going to do this year.
26:24
And if it shits the bed, then B Flow is your head coach maybe by before the end of next
26:30
season, and you ride him out for the next two years in that role.
26:34
I I think your your next head coach of the Vikings is already on this staff through 2029,
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whether it's Kevin O'Connell or it's Brian Flores.
26:44
I think that's kind of what you're being told by their by their thing here.
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Hey.
26:49
That's great, man.
26:49
Nobody fucking likes Zimmer.
26:51
Right?
26:51
Like, no like, you are, like, the only person I feel like that's on the Zimmer trade.
26:55
I don't feel, you know, him and Spielman's relationship being what it was.
27:00
You know, I just and well, not a bad coach.
27:03
I'm not saying that Zimmer was shit.
27:04
I'm just saying that So people really liked him or his style of ball.
27:08
So I got you know, I'm looking up the coaching history for Minnesota, and, you know, Andre
27:14
saying that O'Connell is the worst coach possible.
27:18
But I would say a 63% winning percentage is pretty dang good for a coach, and that is tied
27:26
for first in Minnesota history.
27:28
So Mike Mike Zimmer's Mike Zimmer's had a 400% winning percentage.
27:35
So no.
27:36
I'm sorry.
27:37
Five five sixty two.
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Yeah.
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That's good guy.
27:39
Still a good coach, man.
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And and
27:41
we're talking about different styles of ball.
27:43
My thing is, Ben, if there was a and, hey.
27:47
I am not I'm not fighting you on this either, Andre.
27:52
I the KOC as the as the play caller really bothers me.
27:56
And I wish you would have the the ego.
27:59
I wish you would have the lack of ego and the humbleness to say, I need someone in here I
28:05
trust that can help me call plays.
28:07
Because he gets stuck in that Madden mode going in here.
28:10
Next thing you know, you're chucking it 50 times, and it's just not it's just not good
28:15
ball.
28:15
Right?
28:16
So play caller, head coach, to me, they need to be separated.
28:20
I I well, I mean, he was out of the first round of the playoffs last year or that he should
28:25
have been.
28:25
You know what I mean?
28:26
Like, you should have had the buy.
28:27
Beating, to me, losing to Detroit in that last game of the like, that was your first round of
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the playoffs.
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So yeah.
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No.
28:34
Hey, man.
28:35
Not like I said, I like, my whole thing with your comments, Andre, has been, like, he's the
28:41
worst of all time.
28:41
I'm not saying he's the greatest of all time here, but I think he's proven he's a pretty
28:45
damn good football coach.
28:46
He just struggles to get out of his own way when the pressure is the highest.
28:51
And then, you know, really put it on Darnold, and that's probably a big reason why Sam
28:55
Darnold didn't resign here this last year.
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Do you guys even know who the offensive coordinator is?
29:04
Of this team?
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Yeah.
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I have no idea.
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West Phillips.
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Right.
29:09
Right.
29:09
Right.
29:09
Yeah.
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Okay.
29:10
So, yeah, I did know that.
29:11
So, yeah, West sticking around, but, obviously, he's not trusting him to call plays on this
29:15
team.
29:16
Yeah.
29:16
I know.
29:17
Well, that's I don't know.
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I I
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I don't know why.
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Yeah.
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Well and like you said, Cody, on your team that you had you had a guy calling plays, but you
29:29
were always on the headset.
29:30
Right?
29:31
And maybe you saw something and and had input on that, and I don't think KOC's ever going to
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not have that.
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My problem is is his relinqui he he has such a problem relinquishing any of it to anyone.
29:41
Right?
29:42
And to let someone just hand that, and that's not to say that you're not on the headset and
29:46
you're not following along with everything, but there needs to be some other input in here.
29:51
And maybe you see that.
29:52
Maybe he had, you know, a come to Jesus moment over because the play calling changed.
29:57
Right?
29:57
The play calling on this team changed midway through this season, and then you started
30:01
winning games.
30:02
So maybe he's had it.
30:04
I don't appreciate, really.
30:06
I I doesn't you know, kind of, alluding back to Andre, that a tiger doesn't change his stripes
30:11
that it really sounded in his postseason press conferences that they really wanted to get back
30:16
to calling place the way they were at the beginning of the season, which gives you a
30:20
little bit of pause.
30:21
But, I mean, it it it is what it is.
30:23
They we're gonna have to let this thing play out at this point.
30:26
I don't think it changes.
30:31
Who's the drunk on the staff?
30:34
Is that Wes?
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Is Wes
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Yeah.
30:37
Wes Wes was suspended.
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Hey.
30:40
Yeah.
30:40
Up his back.
30:41
But, yeah, he was suspended three games for altercation or issue in 2023.
30:49
So you know?
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Yeah.
30:53
Well, we'll see.
30:54
I mean, obviously, Wes is an older Wes is, like, in his sixties, isn't he?
30:58
He's a much older guy.
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I
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think that's
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no.
31:03
Wes is on 46.
31:05
Oh, wow.
31:06
So okay.
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I I just
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You're thinking of his dad.
31:09
You're thinking of his dad.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
31:11
I I thought he was an older guy.
31:13
Okay.
31:13
So, yeah, young guy with an alcohol problem.
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Yeah.
31:15
We'll see.
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We'll see.
31:17
Hey, man.
31:18
I don't know, you know, these people.
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Hey.
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And I and this is where I I differentiate between, like, the head coach of Kevin
31:28
O'Connell and the offensive coordinator play caller of Kevin O'Connell.
31:31
But, also, he made adjustments through the season, albeit too little, too late.
31:37
If he would have made those adjustments, I mean, maybe one game earlier, maybe, like,
31:40
Baltimore game, but that game was just such a shit show because of the penalties as well.
31:46
There's a couple of games this season where if he had adapted in game, how he adapted
31:51
midseason Mhmm.
31:52
This Vikings team maybe makes the playoffs and maybe surprises another team.
31:56
You never know, man.
31:57
Yeah.
31:57
I mean, that that's facts.
31:59
I mean, how many times do we get on this show or the Vikings pregame show and say, hey.
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This dude's gotta make adjustments.
32:07
He's gotta figure out something because what he's doing, it wasn't working.
32:10
And I I swear it was three weeks before he actually made that change.
32:14
That's way too long.
32:16
Like, was
32:17
way too long.
32:18
Off with a little blue ball.
32:22
I don't know if that's his best accomplishment there.
32:25
I mean, I would say fourteen and two is a pretty good accomplishment as a head coach.
32:30
Hell, yeah.
32:30
I'll take a fourteen and two.
32:32
Yeah.
32:33
And yeah.
32:33
And I agree with you on Oh, yeah.
32:35
Yeah.
32:35
Adjustments.
32:36
And I think, like, the worst game of the season for me this I mean, obviously, Seattle was a
32:40
mess, but you can't I mean, you had Max Brosper, an undrafted rookie starting in his
32:46
first game.
32:46
Like, for me, the worst game was the Green Bay game in Green Bay
32:51
Oh.
32:51
Where you came out the punt muff, on the two, and then, like, couldn't recover.
32:59
Right?
32:59
Like, they were running the ball early.
33:01
They were having success in the first half.
33:02
The game wasn't by any means out of control, and then it was just like he just went back to,
33:10
like, his default, which is like, well, we gotta pass the ball.
33:13
We're down 10 points.
33:14
We gotta we gotta throw the ball, you know, another 30 times.
33:17
Just panic.
33:18
Oh my god.
33:19
That team just destroyed it, man.
33:22
I think the honestly, I think the worst game and we can't do it or we can't really blame it
33:28
being the worst game because of the scheduling was that charges gave off the short week, and
33:33
we were hurting.
33:35
And Yeah.
33:35
That was bad too.
33:36
Yeah.
33:37
We we had nothing done.
33:39
Together with duct tape at that point.
33:42
That that was honestly probably the worst game.
33:49
Andre, well, you keep on praying, buddy, but it's gonna be at least it's gonna be at least,
33:55
like, seven, eight months before you might hear that news.
33:58
That's not happening.
33:59
I'm just hearing
34:00
Dude, all, I mean, the actually, right now, the only way that KLC is getting fired between now
34:05
and week one is if something personal comes out that Yeah.
34:10
You know, we think it I mean
34:12
yeah.
34:13
It's not happening.
34:14
But week six, you know, and this team has stumbled, then then you see it.
34:19
So, just, you know yeah.
34:22
You're gonna have to let it ride out at this point, man.
34:25
It is what it is.
34:26
KOC is picking, these players in the draft.
34:30
You got Przyzinski is gonna be hopefully able to work with Bflow to put together a defense
34:36
that they can kinda pull off the scrap heap and guys that they can identify through their pro
34:41
scouting department to kinda piece that together, which Bflow's been great at doing.
34:46
You know what I mean?
34:47
So there is some hope there that the defense can be rebuilt on the fly.
34:51
I don't know that you put a lot of draft capital over on that side besides maybe, you
34:56
know, if there's a top tier cornerback in round one, I think.
35:00
And we're gonna get into our draft coverage over the next couple of weeks.
35:03
We're gonna get through the Super Bowl, so we'll start next week with some draft coverage
35:07
and going through there.
35:08
And maybe starting with that side of the ball, coach, because you're a former DB coach, that
35:12
we go with your strengths right off the bat.
35:15
We maybe go DBs and receivers right off the hill to and kind of looking at that side of the
35:20
ball.
35:22
And because I think that's a massive need.
35:23
Obviously, safety cornerback, you you have the biggest needs in there.
35:29
Yeah.
35:29
Yeah.
35:30
No.
35:30
If, you know, I've and I've I'll still say it.
35:33
I I want Jeremiah Love.
35:35
I don't know if the Saints are gonna take him or not, but if they don't, we probably he'll
35:41
probably follow us.
35:41
But
35:43
I don't think it was on
35:44
the board at, what, eighteen we're picking?
35:47
Yeah.
35:47
If that don't happen, though, I we do have to go defensive back, corner or safety.
35:53
It just has to happen.
35:54
I I'd rather wait till second round and maybe snag a wide receiver if we can first round,
36:01
but, it's just like I said last week, you know, Flores doesn't start rookies.
36:11
He doesn't really
36:12
Right.
36:12
Give him a chance.
36:13
Right.
36:13
So why waste that?
36:15
Nobody's also never had has this team since Beefalo has been here, have they picked a top
36:20
tier defensive talent in the first couple of rounds?
36:24
And, just my memory kinda, like, going back quickly that it's always been offensive guys up
36:29
at the top of the draft.
36:31
So I don't there.
36:32
Hey, Andre.
36:32
No pushback from me on that, man.
36:34
You've been here.
36:35
You've been following this team your whole life.
36:37
Great idea, man.
36:38
I just That's
36:39
what we never fail.
36:41
Know?
36:43
No.
36:44
You know, everybody's got and that's the one thing with sports in general.
36:48
Everybody's got their opinions on which way the team should go and who they should get.
36:51
Andre is definitely passionate about the Vikings and, you know, Cody and myself are.
36:56
Bubba, you're, you know, you're passionate too about them, and we just all got different views
37:01
and you know?
37:03
Mean, there
37:03
is a laundry list of things they could do that we could call dumb and be like, Jay Jay was
37:08
right.
37:08
Right?
37:09
You know what?
37:10
I look Honestly, I'm very I'm very impressed.
37:13
Button bar ready.
37:14
Let's get that button bar ready.
37:15
To you, but just that I I hope this team comes out, make some good moves.
37:20
I hope they have a draft that we're proud of at the end of the day.
37:23
Top to bottom, 10 picks, whether some of those get packaged for a quarterback or for, you
37:29
know, elsewhere.
37:30
You know, let's see.
37:32
I think you I think yeah.
37:35
You gotta take the best player available, I think, in that first round.
37:38
That eighteen's such a hard pick.
37:40
Right?
37:41
Because you don't have the top you don't have the number one player at a lot of premium
37:47
positions at that level already.
37:49
Right?
37:49
You are not getting the first you know, the guy that's number one on your board at that.
37:53
I don't think they have the capital or the wherewithal to move up to get somebody right
37:58
now.
37:59
You know, that's why I was kind of entertaining.
38:01
We talked about it a little bit, you know, on last week's show, a trade back, a couple of
38:05
spots maybe to pick up an extra second or third rounder in there.
38:08
Mhmm.
38:08
I don't hate that depending on who's available in that range.
38:12
You know?
38:12
It's always tactical.
38:13
Right?
38:14
But now not having a GM who's kind of in that role, what do those talks look like?
38:19
Because now you're kinda putting your head coach or a guy who hasn't been developing
38:24
relationships with other GMs in the league in that position.
38:28
So we may be just stuck, and you may not see really any trades here because there's no one
38:33
really that has those relationships built to make it.
38:36
Right?
38:36
And you don't wanna see someone who's inexperienced to do that.
38:40
So
38:41
Well, mean, you know he's gonna reach out to the rams to see what they're feeling.
38:47
I mean, he's gonna reach out to the teams that he's got Right.
38:50
Right.
38:50
Somewhat.
38:51
KOC doesn't have connections in the league and have some of those relationships still.
38:56
Yeah.
38:56
So he's gonna he's gonna reach out, but I think if if the Vikings are gonna move, it's gonna be
39:00
somebody calling them.
39:01
I don't think they're gonna be doing much calling like you said.
39:05
You know, the relationships out there between GM and GM, but the Vikings do have, you know,
39:10
some players they could move, some draft picks they could move to move up or move down to
39:15
Gainesville or Capital.
39:16
So, you know, I think it's fair game.
39:19
About Jordan Addison and kinda letting him go from this team.
39:25
I'm sure there's teams that would give you, you know, a a second, you know, maybe a mid late
39:29
second or a third.
39:31
Hey, man.
39:31
Maybe there's somebody that is, you know, still interested in him.
39:34
I think You
39:35
know, I I mean, I just great.
39:36
Brings up a good point.
39:37
There there's gotta be one voice in the front office, but yet, you still gotta hear both
39:42
sides of the argument.
39:43
I mean, Cody, you could, you know, throw in your opinion, but when you're trying to build a
39:48
team, I mean, you can't just be like, okay.
39:50
I'm going all offense this year and and at the defense or I'm I'm going all defense at the
39:55
offense.
39:55
I mean, there's gotta be some talk and some agreeance on the player and the pick and what
40:01
they do.
40:02
I mean, you know, Cody, I mean, this can't be easy to come together with your offense and
40:08
defense to get the right guys.
40:10
I mean, it's it's tough, you know, because, you know, I was going from 11 man outdoor, you
40:16
know, you got the full roster, then go into arena ball, had to cut that roster down to 30,
40:22
and then start to figure out, alright, how many do we can we bring on offense and defense?
40:27
I'm actually, getting ready for another league after this Wyoming cavalry one, gets over with,
40:34
and we're at the point where we can sign 15 players before the draft.
40:38
And then we have a draft and then a free agency pool.
40:42
And so, you know, we're trying to figure out, like, hey.
40:45
What's our main priorities with these first 15?
40:48
And then from there, that's how we're gonna attack the draft.
40:51
But, I mean,
40:52
you I think we need to start getting in Cody's office staff here.
40:56
I think we need to start being on Cody's office staff or something.
40:59
Man.
40:59
I'm like,
41:00
come on, man.
41:01
Yeah.
41:01
I need more jobs too, coach.
41:04
Let's let's get it.
41:05
You know, you already know.
41:06
You already know.
41:09
Here we go.
41:10
There we go.
41:10
Avion Terrell, Armand Sur, Delaine, both shut down cornerbacks in the first round.
41:15
Yeah.
41:15
Terrell.
41:16
Second big defensive tackle to stop the run and also get pressure up the middle against pass.
41:20
Yeah.
41:21
We see.
41:22
For me, I think this offense the offense needs to get healthy.
41:27
Right?
41:27
The offense the offensive line
41:30
That's a line.
41:30
I think you can solve I think you can solve those problems in free agency, though.
41:34
Right?
41:35
Like, you need a center.
41:36
I don't think you're drafting and putting a a a rookie center out there anyway regardless.
41:42
So a lot of these issues can be solved.
41:45
You got a new offensive line coach that's gonna be coming in.
41:48
Right?
41:48
So I I think you re you're rebuilding the line from the from the free agent class and trying
41:55
to do what you can there, maybe elevating.
41:57
Maybe you got some guys that are in your building already that you're looking to move
42:01
around.
42:01
Right?
42:01
A lot of talk about Blake Brandel, you know, possibly in that starting center role.
42:07
You know, I think he did he was very serviceable there, I would say.
42:11
There's so many moves that need to be made just to get cap under the cap right now first.
42:17
And I think that, you know, that's gonna be the first steps I would assume next week, like,
42:22
after the Super Bowl's over, that you are making the necessary cuts and getting in there.
42:29
Yeah.
42:30
Well, we'll see.
42:31
You know?
42:32
At this point, I feel like you had Quasie who was the general, obviously, the general manager
42:36
of this team that nobody really had a lot of faith in, where now it feels like this draft is
42:41
gonna be committee.
42:42
I don't think that it's AOC's choices alone.
42:45
I think there's a lot of like, they just gave Brian Flores an extension.
42:49
So I think that they're elevating his voice.
42:51
Now I know he didn't get the assistant head coach job, but you elevated another voice and
42:56
brought in some outside perspective in here to do that.
42:59
I'm assuming that was a KOC hire, not a not a Kwasey hire.
43:04
Right?
43:05
So you have some different voices now and some people that were outside of the organization
43:10
now coming in that can maybe bring some some clarity to it.
43:13
Because and, Cody, you can maybe speak to this that, like, when you're in the fight and you're
43:18
in the building, it's really hard to sometimes pull away and see that 10,000 foot view or that
43:23
view from, you know, a different a different perspective.
43:28
Yeah.
43:28
Yeah.
43:29
No.
43:29
It it definitely gets tough.
43:31
But, I mean, you know, he he's right.
43:34
You know, I'm I'm asking for input, but at the end of the day, you know, most of the calls
43:39
were my calls.
43:41
I and so it just came down to what did I what did my gut tell me?
43:45
You know, did is this player gonna fit the my scheme better than this one?
43:50
Stuff like that.
43:53
See.
43:54
If you
43:54
if you wanna say worst play caller, Dre, I will back you up.
43:58
Like and I don't know whether he's the worst, but, like, he definitely has flaws as a play
44:03
caller because I think he wants to be the quarterback so damn bad sometimes Yes.
44:09
That he's like, well, this is what I would do.
44:11
What what motherfucker?
44:12
Sam Darnold ain't you and you ain't you.
44:14
There's a reason that you didn't make it as a player too.
44:16
Right?
44:17
Like, come on.
44:17
So Right.
44:20
Play caller again.
44:21
It's it's different.
44:22
I like the way that he's able to
44:26
And going back to Andre's comment about too many generals or whatever.
44:31
There's our No.
44:32
I've been
44:32
going on.
44:32
That's the there's our guy.
44:34
Hey, man.
44:35
What's up?
44:36
Brother.
44:37
Appreciate you, man.
44:37
We had so much fun last week.
44:39
I know I can say this, guys.
44:41
We had a blast having you on.
44:43
Looking forward to doing it again.
44:45
Maybe we can get you back in for some draft coverage, and we all owe you an appearance on
44:49
your show to shout out.
44:50
Hey, everybody.
44:50
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44:56
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44:56
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44:59
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45:00
Happy to have Appreciate you tuning in.
45:03
We kinda covered off the top.
45:05
Obviously, Quasi getting fired.
45:08
Vike, Rap, you can throw you can throw your take on the Quasi fire, and I know you had to
45:13
be fired up on that one.
45:14
We talked about it quite a bit on the show last week.
45:18
But going back to Andre's comment about too many generals or what that was, he's got a
45:23
river.
45:23
He's been a Viking fan for forty six years or forty nine, whatever.
45:27
Back in the early nineties, the Vikings had the they call it the triangle of authority or
45:32
whatever.
45:33
It was Dennis Green, the owner, the GM, and there might have been a couple other players in
45:38
fact.
45:38
So I don't think the Vikings are at that point now where we got all these people trying to
45:43
throw and put.
45:44
I mean, you know, it's gonna be the office coordinator, defense coordinator, head coach,
45:48
you know, but, I mean, we you gotta remember, yes, the more people that are in charge of
45:53
making calls, it is gonna be a hectic situation.
45:56
But I think I think we're in a good thing right now where we know that it it seems like KLC's
46:03
got the final say.
46:05
He's gonna listen to his coaching staff.
46:07
He's gonna listen to his scouts.
46:09
You know?
46:09
So we'll I mean, it's all on him.
46:11
I mean, we've said it over and over again.
46:13
So
46:13
Yeah.
46:14
Well and I think that him and B Flo have a really good relationship.
46:18
Obviously, you don't continue to work together and to build teams the way that you have.
46:22
I mean, he definitely lets Flo kinda handle the defense.
46:25
Obviously, you don't have a lot of complaints on that side of the ball since since Flo has
46:30
been around.
46:31
So you think that they have a a respect level there.
46:34
And what it sounds like, especially coming out after the Quasie firing is that a lot of these
46:40
football y football guys didn't respect Quasie because he wasn't a maniac like they are about
46:45
the game.
46:46
And when you have that, then it makes it hard to kinda build a solid foundation for when shit
46:52
goes wrong.
46:53
And that's why Quasie was the one that was shown the door because, obviously, the wolves,
46:57
as an ownership group, have a lot of faith in their coaching staff to do that.
47:02
And I think that you have I don't think KOCs coming in and going, it's my guys or nothing.
47:06
I think it's gonna be a lot more of a little bit more by committee here.
47:11
And maybe, you know, maybe he can let the ego go on this side of the ball where he's not
47:16
calling the plays.
47:17
Right?
47:18
They're not drafting a quarterback, so that kinda takes him out of the position of highest
47:23
authority.
47:24
Quarterbacks is what he knows the best.
47:26
So, you know, the the QB guru.
47:28
Right?
47:29
Now you're kinda having to defer, I think, a little bit to the Brian Flores and the rest of
47:34
this coachings or the the scouting staff, which who knows how the structure is and how much
47:40
they're talking during the season and in the off season leading up to this.
47:44
Like, there's a lot of stuff that we don't know that now, you know, things are starting to come
47:50
out about Quasi, but we don't know what their structure is like behind closed doors in that
47:54
front office.
47:55
And this draft is gonna be very telling about where they go.
47:59
Well, and the thing and the same thing is is, like, we talk about trade players.
48:03
Well, why don't they just get rid of this guy?
48:04
We're gonna rid of this guy, rebuild the team.
48:07
You know, when the team's struggling, it's always easy to get rid of one player, which is
48:10
typically the coach over the whole team.
48:13
And I would say it's the same thing in the front office.
48:16
Easier to get rid of one guy, the GM, instead of trying to get rid of the whole coaching
48:21
staff and keep your GM.
48:22
So, you know.
48:24
Yeah.
48:25
I the GM hire after the draft is gonna be a really cool thing to follow.
48:29
Obviously, we're gonna be talking a lot.
48:31
I don't think we can get a GM until the end of next year.
48:35
Really?
48:35
You think they roll with it as as this until There
48:39
there's nobody that I mean, there's no standout guys.
48:42
I mean, unless somebody stands out from one of the Super Bowl teams, but I have a feeling that
48:47
the Vikings are not gonna have a per se GM until Cody gets accepted to the job or he finds
48:53
somebody at the end of the next year's, you know, next year's off season or at the end of
48:58
next year.
48:59
So
48:59
Yeah.
49:00
Look at Andy Reid on the sidelines watching the playoffs from his fucking couch this year
49:05
because his team is not good.
49:07
And I think they're gonna show up for a couple of years, man.
49:10
Paying that quarterback position $50,000,000 a year.
49:14
Right?
49:15
That's that's a, what, like, 20% of the cap.
49:17
Right?
49:18
That's a lot.
49:19
And then you had all a lot of other Super Bowl winners on there as well.
49:23
But he's got the rings now to back it up too.
49:25
So, I mean, not
49:26
Well, there's another guy that I actually heard on BH's show today.
49:31
Mike Holger.
49:31
I think he would be a pretty decent GM if he just focuses on that guy on that part.
49:36
I mean, I could be wrong.
49:37
See, and I
49:38
think that's it's not coming from someone that's in the league now.
49:41
I I think they are probably talking.
49:43
The wolves have been around as an ownership, you know, as owners for a long time.
49:46
They got a lot of connections.
49:48
You have to think that they have a short list in their head already.
49:51
They're not just like, oh, we'll figure it out.
49:54
There's people that are already having cover.
49:55
You know people are putting their resume in.
49:57
To me,
49:58
this is Well, Cody probably already put three in already.
50:00
I mean
50:06
Yeah.
50:07
You mentioned PA.
50:08
I think that's a good transition that we can kinda talk about.
50:12
You know, obviously, we haven't covered, you know, the comments that he made and the fallout
50:16
from that, which now we know is, really, nothing.
50:19
A a few days off work to let things cool down.
50:22
This is pretty much exactly what I told you was gonna happen when you kinda threw it to me.
50:27
Let it cool down.
50:28
Let people simmer, and then he's gonna be back.
50:31
There's this how because, honestly, he's beloved.
50:34
And I don't think one set of comments, and the guy's been making offhand comments his whole
50:40
career.
50:40
So it's not like it was that surprising.
50:45
Yeah.
50:45
I think I think I'm bigger
50:47
Andy Reid just addressing Dre's comment.
50:49
Yeah.
50:49
Like, Andy Reid on yeah.
50:52
It he had been coaching for twenty years at that point.
50:55
You know what I mean?
50:56
Like, before he got that first one, had been in the game for a long time before he finally
51:01
cracked through.
51:01
They don't come easy.
51:03
They they struck gold with the Mahomes and the way that he structured that team.
51:08
That team was ready for a young guy to step in that kinda had the moxie that Mahomes does.
51:12
But, you know, Andy Reid's real test as a, head coach now, comes over the next five years, and
51:18
who knows if he sticks around for that long or if he says, you know what?
51:22
I've had my time.
51:23
It's time to let, you know, somebody else go and kinda go out, on top still.
51:28
Because, yeah, I I don't think he gets fired.
51:30
I think he walks away on his own terms, I think.
51:33
Well, I mean, I'm not arguing.
51:35
I'm not arguing that.
51:36
No.
51:37
I'm not either.
51:38
But with PA, I think I think the comments I mean, I don't think we're earth shattering, but
51:46
I think it would've came down to it.
51:48
The Vikings would've went to K fan and said, hey.
51:51
You know, we're gonna let PA go.
51:54
You guys gotta let PA go or we're gonna take our sponsorship elsewhere.
51:58
So I think it it came down to, I think, maybe Minnesota say or the Vikings saying, hey, you
52:03
know, we're not letting them go, so there's no reason for you guys to let them go.
52:06
We're still you know, he's still our guy.
52:07
So Right.
52:08
Literally the voice of the Vikings.
52:10
You know?
52:11
Mhmm.
52:11
I think that you have to take men like that with a grain of salt.
52:16
Also kinda reading the room.
52:18
Sure.
52:18
There was some outrage shortly, but I think a lot of I think a lot of the the silent,
52:24
majority, if you will, that there's a lot of fans that don't align politically with the
52:29
people that were being loud either in the fan base.
52:32
Right?
52:32
A lot of this Viking fan base is a lot more red even though the city of Minneapolis might be
52:38
very blue.
52:39
So I I think there's also the recognition of that, and a lot of people that are listening to
52:43
the games are listening from out of the out of the city.
52:47
And a lot of people that are coming in for these games don't live in the city of
52:50
Minneapolis.
52:50
Right?
52:51
They don't live in Minneapolis, Paul.
52:53
So I I think there's from the ownership group and from the the front office realizing those
52:59
things.
53:01
Yeah.
53:02
I think it was smart smart to keep him, you know, smart the way they played it.
53:07
It would have been absolutely stupid that they let him go.
53:10
That's all I'm gonna say.
53:12
He would honestly have to, like, run over someone in his car.
53:15
You know what I mean?
53:16
And I, like,
53:16
he would have
53:17
do something pretty
53:19
Well and and that's the whole thing is, you know, maybe K fan would've let them go if they
53:24
did have the you know, if it was just a different DJ that said this.
53:28
But I think with him being the voice of the Vikings, they're kinda waiting to see what the
53:32
Vikings were gonna do with the comments.
53:34
And then think they were gonna
53:35
wasn't gonna let him go unless the Vikings were like, we ain't bringing this motherfucker back.
53:39
You know?
53:39
Right.
53:41
You don't you don't just let him walk.
53:43
I like Dre here.
53:44
Big big b, you gotta teach them Vikings history.
53:46
Well, maybe that's a new segment as we move.
53:48
It's a long off season, Dre.
53:50
So maybe we can get
53:51
on the show.
53:51
We go through some things, and, you know, we address that.
53:56
Dre says I'm putting this all on you, big b.
53:59
So we gotta have some some history lessons here.
54:02
I could be educated.
54:03
I'm not lying, man.
54:04
I haven't followed this team my whole life.
54:06
I didn't live in the area and really only got introduced to watching the team over the last
54:11
seven years as my wife's a fan.
54:13
And I've obviously watched NFC North football.
54:15
My family's from the Chicago area.
54:17
I grew up watching the bears and rooting, you know, for that bears team.
54:20
So I've seen a lot of this, like, young quarterback thing, and that's what attracted me
54:24
to, you know, rooting for the Vikings and kinda letting that bears fandom go.
54:27
Of course, they fucking go well this year and, you know, make it to the second round of the
54:31
playoffs.
54:31
That's just the you're welcome, city of Chicago, for that.
54:34
But I I it doesn't make me any sense.
54:36
It might be the coach above or it might be the curse above them.
54:41
Maybe we just need to push Bubba to the side now.
54:44
Man.
54:45
It might be it.
54:46
I I don't I don't think so.
54:47
I think this
54:48
is PA.
54:49
Yeah.
54:49
Almost untouchable, literally.
54:51
Yeah.
54:51
So I can't disagree with you, Mike.
54:53
And I I mean have to
54:55
literally put someone in the hospital.
54:57
Right?
54:57
Wasn't like, wasn't he working doing the show, and it was just ill willed like, ill timed?
55:04
It it was ill timed because the thing happened, like, just shortly after that.
55:08
Think of all
55:09
the stupid shit that I say on this show two hours a week, man.
55:12
The guy's
55:13
on air fucking thirty hours a week.
55:15
And I think I think it was I think what might have been the saving grace is is Greenway, I
55:20
think was he was chatting with this.
55:22
It's like, yeah.
55:23
I'm not gonna touch that one.
55:25
Let's move on, you know, type of thing.
55:27
So Oh, great.
55:28
After you know, come on, man.
55:30
They're, like, not great timing on the, you know, thing, but he comes back.
55:34
He says, I'm sorry, and it's all good.
55:37
Chance, thanks for chiming in.
55:39
Hey.
55:39
What up, Chance?
55:40
You guys think they trade Jordan Addison or Jonathan Grenard this offseason to get more
55:45
draft capital, more players coming and contribute day one.
55:49
Mac Jones of KOC wants him.
55:51
Yeah.
55:51
I mean, I think everything's on the table now.
55:53
Greinhard Greinhard for Mac Jones.
55:56
Now we've been throwing out a lot of
55:57
second round picks there,
55:59
but Greinhard Mac Jones might be something that San Francisco might be interested in,
56:03
especially with Fred Warner suffering the injury Yeah.
56:07
Last year and kind of probably gonna be a little bit different player.
56:11
And they need a little help on that defense regardless.
56:14
Now I know he would be a little bit out of position because I'm pretty sure that they play
56:18
a four three in in San Francisco, but Jonathan Grenard's a a talent that he you could put him
56:26
anywhere on the field, man.
56:27
That would be that would be dangerous.
56:28
But, you know, I I don't I don't know.
56:32
The Grenard thing is a touchy one because I think you can get cap compliant with some of
56:37
the other moves.
56:38
Addison, I would like to see gone.
56:40
I it feels to me like KOC is kinda done with him just because just the look on his face when
56:46
he was at the presser, and he's always having to answer questions about this guy and his off
56:50
the field issues, that I feel like he's kind of would take a suitor for that.
56:55
Oh, yeah.
56:57
Oh, yeah.
56:58
I mean, mean, what I would not be able to to put up with that.
57:04
Yeah.
57:04
See, and I missed the Peyton days.
57:06
I was born in '86, so I didn't, like, get to celebrate any good bears It's
57:10
not like Michael Shepherd.
57:11
Nope.
57:12
My god.
57:13
I did get to live through the nineties with Jordan.
57:15
I still root for the other Chicago teams.
57:18
You know?
57:18
I
57:18
don't follow
57:19
maybe the Blackhawks is the one that I followed, like, the most adamantly as far as
57:23
Chicago and the Cubs, I guess.
57:25
See, I got the wizards, Jordan.
57:27
Yeah.
57:29
See, the thing is is
57:30
here on the PA only mentioned truth in passing.
57:35
Yeah.
57:35
See, and that was my thing.
57:37
I did just you know?
57:39
And that's that to me, that's the Vikings organization reading the room on their fan
57:45
base.
57:45
Right?
57:46
Like I said, Minneapolis may be a blue city, and you have all the things happening in there
57:50
now, but a lot of the noise is coming from outside of the Vikings fandom.
57:55
It's coming from outside in that political sphere, not necessarily inside of the football
58:01
field sub.
58:02
Right.
58:03
You know, that that's something there.
58:04
People just got mad just to get find something to get mad about and hop
58:08
on the train just because every oh, you're mad too?
58:11
I I'm gonna join you on that type of shit.
58:13
Like
58:14
You know what's crazy about you mentioned that, Devin Hester.
58:17
Man, I was, like, out on the West Coast fucking hitting rave parties, and, like, I wasn't even
58:21
paying attention to football.
58:22
They were so bad for so long.
58:24
The bears were, like, the third or fourth team in my career.
58:27
Right?
58:27
Like, I loved the hockey team.
58:29
And I had
58:29
moved to South Dakota in, like, '96.
58:32
So I kind of missed the back half of the three peat in the bulls even.
58:36
So, like, we've lived in South Dakota.
58:37
We didn't get all the bears games.
58:39
Like, it's just like that was the team you grew up and all your family rooted for.
58:43
Kick returning the Super Bowl.
58:45
That was your peak.
58:46
Careful.
58:46
They were fucking fucking awful, awful, man. Man. I
58:47
Man.
58:47
Believe I don't believe you too. Too.
58:48
Too.
58:49
Rex Grossman got to
58:51
the Super Bowl.
58:51
Game last year that I watched him just lay down, and and all the all the fan base out
58:56
there was all against, you know, is so torn on the Caleb Williams talk, which I think, you
59:01
know, he proved a little bit this year.
59:03
I still think he has plenty of flaws as a quarterback, but that's kind of going through
59:08
that and just how toxic that fan base was where I was just like, I can't do this.
59:12
Now coming over to the Vikings fan base and, you know, for me, I love the super fan group.
59:17
I love the Viking World Order.
59:18
They've kind of accepted us with open arms.
59:20
Great people.
59:21
I saw what they were doing in the community.
59:23
I'm too fucking old to be, like, putting all of my life in it.
59:26
I'm too busy.
59:27
Right?
59:27
Like, my whole life doesn't revolve around any one team or anything.
59:32
I saw an opening to cover this team.
59:35
I was watching all the games with my wife anyway, so that's kinda where I was coming
59:38
from.
59:38
I was rooting for the Vikings except for maybe two games a year.
59:41
And even in those, was, secretly, like, hope they kick the shit out of the bears.
59:44
So it it changed that, but for me, rooting for this team.
59:49
Now I will say that I was a lot happier because I don't have that deep emotional attachment,
59:54
and I definitely come from an area where where, like, Dre is obviously he's been rooting for
59:59
the same team.
59:59
Mhmm.
1:00:00
They've been abusing him for so long, right, that you have that emotional attack.
1:00:05
Like, I don't have that with the Vikings, but I no longer have that with the bears either.
1:00:10
Now I didn't get to ride that high with them this year as they're going through making the
1:00:13
playoffs and stuff, but I'm okay with that.
1:00:15
Like, I celebrate my own wins.
1:00:17
Mostly, I'm in music, Dre.
1:00:19
I I I have a my the scene project, sports network is just a division of the scene
1:00:24
projects podcast network, which is mainly focused on entertainment, mostly on independent
1:00:29
musicians.
1:00:30
Like, I'm off celebrating my own wins in my own organization, kinda give a shit what these
1:00:34
teams do besides it being content for our channel.
1:00:37
Yeah.
1:00:37
So, you know, yeah, it it kinda sucked.
1:00:39
Right?
1:00:40
You know, it is what it is.
1:00:43
Live and die, football.
1:00:44
That's alright, brother.
1:00:45
Hey.
1:00:45
I appreciate your takes in here too, Dre.
1:00:47
Yeah.
1:00:48
Honestly.
1:00:49
In the
1:00:49
show, hanging out with us, man.
1:00:51
Like, getting
1:00:51
these And this is
1:00:52
what we wanted.
1:00:53
We wanted
1:00:53
to place everyone to come.
1:00:54
And
1:00:55
to be a space where you can kind of voice your opinions, and we're always gonna put them up,
1:00:59
man.
1:01:00
Regardless of how I feel about your takes, we're gonna put them up there.
1:01:02
You give us a lot of great talking points.
1:01:05
We can agree to disagree.
1:01:06
It's all good, man.
1:01:08
That's how sports is.
1:01:09
Agree to disagree.
1:01:11
Grenard needs to shut up and quit missing tackles.
1:01:14
I'm kinda the same thing on, you know, on Van Ginkle too.
1:01:18
Like, you know, these guys may make these huge splashy plays, but they don't necessarily show
1:01:23
up and make the little plays throughout the year.
1:01:26
Things.
1:01:26
Yep.
1:01:27
We'd like to see we'd like to see more now.
1:01:30
I'm super impressed with a young man this year showing up defensive end.
1:01:36
What's his name's evading me right now.
1:01:41
Turner?
1:01:41
Second
1:01:41
year.
1:01:42
No.
1:01:42
No.
1:01:42
No.
1:01:43
Second year defensive end this year.
1:01:44
After Gennard got hurt, he started getting Oh.
1:01:49
My brain's crying.
1:01:50
Got Come on big v.
1:01:51
I'm I'm getting there.
1:01:54
Yeah.
1:01:55
I I was thinking Turner off the bat.
1:01:58
I was thinking Turner too.
1:02:00
Let's see.
1:02:01
Defense of not Hargrove, not Dallas.
1:02:07
Dallas Turner.
1:02:09
Yeah.
1:02:09
Dallas Turner.
1:02:10
Yeah.
1:02:10
Yeah.
1:02:10
Yeah.
1:02:11
Yeah.
1:02:11
You're right.
1:02:11
Yeah.
1:02:12
Okay.
1:02:12
My stupid brain was thinking Daniil Hunter, and I was like, I know that's not right.
1:02:16
I'm
1:02:16
like, that's the name that
1:02:18
But Dallas Turner, I thought, showed up, played in that role.
1:02:22
You know?
1:02:23
And Dipo was such like he's so maniacal that this hybrid defense, is he only playing that
1:02:30
hybrid defense because he had to because of the talent that he was given?
1:02:35
Would he be more into playing guys in a traditional role?
1:02:39
Having more four down linemen looks.
1:02:41
It it just, you know, it it it's gonna be interesting to see where this team goes now
1:02:46
because I feel like the draft especially is now going and and the to a certain extent now, the
1:02:54
free agent class as well is gonna kinda be done by committee.
1:02:57
Przyzinski is not coming in here and saying it's fucking my way or the highway.
1:03:00
He's like, look, fellas.
1:03:01
What can I do for you?
1:03:02
You know?
1:03:03
What what can we do in here?
1:03:06
So we're gonna see.
1:03:07
Hey.
1:03:08
Brother.
1:03:09
Thank you for your service, man.
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You see operation Hey.
1:03:12
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Fucking kitten woke up at, like, 01:30 last night.
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Wouldn't go back to bed after I fed him.
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I couldn't get back to bed.
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Like, damn, man.
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Was up for two hours in the middle of the night.
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And then I think I finally went back, like, four, slept from four to
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six.
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Maybe you need to send that kitten over to Cody so the cat could just follow Cody around all
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day and we'll we'll work out.
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No way.
1:05:05
I'm a do that.
1:05:05
I am a Oh.
1:05:08
Dre says he's blaming beef for not teaching us the Vikings way.
1:05:11
We piss him
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back every year.
1:05:13
Hey.
1:05:13
I'll do some homework.
1:05:14
I'll get some Viking history out there each week.
1:05:17
I mean, if that's the thing that we need, then I like it.
1:05:20
Go with it.
1:05:20
Hey.
1:05:20
You know what?
1:05:21
Some some Vikings history facts, I'm down with.
1:05:25
Dre also says he's all in on Arch Manning, b.
1:05:29
What do we got?
1:05:30
We'll hit on, like, a little bit of Arch Manning talk.
1:05:33
Now he's not coming out in the draft this year.
1:05:35
Right?
1:05:35
That's gonna be next year?
1:05:37
Possibly next year.
1:05:39
Of course, his dad or his granddad played here for a short time.
1:05:44
Yeah.
1:05:45
We'll see what happened.
1:05:47
I mean, if JJ comes off balls off this year, we're not talking quarterback next year.
1:05:52
Plain and simple.
1:05:53
Right.
1:05:53
You know?
1:05:54
So now if he doesn't, then we're talking,
1:05:59
you know, what do we do
1:06:00
as a quarterback?
1:06:00
But I honestly, knock on wood, I wasn't so impressed with year one of Arch Manning.
1:06:08
I think it was a lot of hype, but, you know, everybody could improve each day.
1:06:12
I mean, he did play better towards the end of this year, but definitely a guy to watch for a
1:06:18
next year.
1:06:19
They might be up at the top of that draft too with
1:06:23
Oh my god.
1:06:24
If they if they end up with a quarterback and they could stash him away for another three
1:06:29
years under love, then he's the next starter for the next six, you know.
1:06:34
And that that's one thing.
1:06:35
I I talked about this on coast to coast, and we talked about it.
1:06:39
The Packers had the best way to develop a quarterback.
1:06:42
They stash them away for a few years, let the veteran play, and then when it's their time,
1:06:47
it's their time.
1:06:47
I mean, I'm gonna talk about what we do.
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You you're wasting his rookie years.
1:06:52
Well, technically, yeah, but, again, we're we're developing this guy.
1:06:57
Cheaper on that second deal because you haven't let him go out and ball out and maybe have a
1:07:03
little bit of fools going out there and then end up paying a guy big money and, you know
1:07:08
I mean
1:07:08
that you I mean,
1:07:09
how many teams how many teams could say that they went from Brett Favre 1992 to Jordan Love
1:07:16
or to Rogers and then to Jordan Love as their main starting quarterbacks?
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Three starting quarterbacks since '92.
1:07:23
You know?
1:07:24
Yeah.
1:07:24
It's crazy.
1:07:25
I think I I've listened to the the bears shows in years past, and we would the bears had,
1:07:30
like, 65 quarterbacks in that time.
1:07:32
Yeah.
1:07:34
Yeah.
1:07:35
Oh, just crazy, man.
1:07:37
But not like the browns, though.
1:07:39
I mean, the Vikings kinda got a starting quarterback in the Super Bowl.
1:07:42
Right?
1:07:42
I mean, Sammy d balling out.
1:07:46
He's obviously had a great season.
1:07:48
Seattle's had an awesome season this year.
1:07:51
I mean, they look dominant to me.
1:07:53
I don't know what the betting lines are coming out at.
1:07:55
I'm assuming Seattle's favored.
1:07:58
Oh, yeah.
1:08:00
I think they're favored by not by much, though.
1:08:05
You're so dark, man.
1:08:07
Just already punting on twenty twenty six and tear it down.
1:08:11
Four and half.
1:08:12
That was fair by four and a half.
1:08:14
Four and case if anybody's listening that wants to know score the Pro Bowl, fifty two fifty two
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end of the third.
1:08:22
Oh, I can't believe we scheduled a show over top of the Pro Bowl.
1:08:26
Silly us.
1:08:27
I would've probably watched Pedro over the Pro Bowl right now.
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So Yeah.
1:08:31
Thanks.
1:08:32
I'd I'd rather watch Cody's videos of him working at his job over the Pro Bowl.
1:08:39
Hey.
1:08:40
The sometimes they get pretty interesting.
1:08:43
I bet.
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No.
1:08:46
I I I well, you're right.
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And Mendoza, here.
1:08:50
Yeah.
1:08:50
I'll I'll put up the one where everything was spelled right.
1:08:54
Yeah.
1:08:55
Well and, we'll see.
1:08:58
Now are they kinda forecasting Mendoza as the leader number one?
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Right now, he's 99.9%.
1:09:05
They're clear number one pick for the
1:09:07
one overall this year?
1:09:08
Haven't even looked at draft coverage, man.
1:09:09
I've been so fast planning this week.
1:09:11
Everybody right now is picking the Raiders to take Mendoza number one.
1:09:15
Yeah.
1:09:15
Well, I mean, they need a quarterback.
1:09:17
So
1:09:17
They need everything.
1:09:18
Yeah.
1:09:19
Well, yeah, they're the Raiders.
1:09:21
I've been hearing a lot of Max Crosby could be leaving talk, but I think anybody would be
1:09:26
happy to add a Max Crosby to your team.
1:09:29
Oh, Max Crosby for Jordan Anderson in the sixth round pick?
1:09:33
I mean, Well, about him, man.
1:09:36
That'd be freaking
1:09:36
I would do I'd be all in.
1:09:40
That dude's an all in.
1:09:41
That dude's an absolute freaking animal.
1:09:44
He he would be, yeah.
1:09:46
That's I we're not we're not getting too far down the dream hole there like that.
1:09:50
That shit ain't happening, but we might get a second round pick out of him, for Jordan
1:09:55
Addison.
1:09:56
That would be awesome.
1:09:58
I I I bet you we get, like, a mid round pick for.
1:10:03
I know.
1:10:04
We keep talking like they're gonna do something smart, and Dre's telling us that that's not the
1:10:08
fucking way.
1:10:09
Hey.
1:10:10
We're trying we're hoping for change.
1:10:12
Right?
1:10:12
Yeah.
1:10:12
I mean, that's what we're looking for is improvement and change.
1:10:17
You know, we gotta let the history behind us go.
1:10:19
I mean, you know, we learn from history.
1:10:23
Much, Dre.
1:10:24
You gotta let it go.
1:10:25
It's a new era, but that's also what he's saying too is tear it down, and let's just
1:10:29
restart the whole thing.
1:10:31
But how many times are we gonna do that?
1:10:32
Yeah.
1:10:32
How many times that?
1:10:33
Times this?
1:10:33
I mean Yo.
1:10:35
Because after two years
1:10:36
of that, it's gonna be the same thing.
1:10:38
Tear it down.
1:10:39
Exactly.
1:10:40
I mean, okay.
1:10:41
So we made we made a what?
1:10:43
2018 to the title game, right, with with Case Keenum.
1:10:48
You know?
1:10:49
Then we brought a Kirk Cousins.
1:10:50
Then they're like, oh, we need a young quarterback.
1:10:52
We've drafted, what, three quarterbacks that haven't panned out, you know, because they
1:10:57
haven't given them time.
1:10:58
We got JJ now.
1:10:59
You know, he's a starter.
1:11:01
Everybody says that.
1:11:02
Let's give him time.
1:11:03
And one, I think we could all agree on, you gotta make sure the offensive line is a top 15
1:11:11
offensive line and healthy to keep your quarterback up there.
1:11:13
It doesn't matter who's gonna be back there if your offensive line can't block.
1:11:17
Yeah, Steven.
1:11:18
I don't know how long you've been you've been hanging out with us tonight, but it it
1:11:22
definitely feels like the what I feel like is gonna happen is it'll kinda be by committee.
1:11:29
So, you know, with with flow and and KOC, obviously, KOC having the final say over it.
1:11:35
But I don't think that KOC operates in a I I am making all the calls and everybody can just
1:11:40
deal with it away.
1:11:42
I think that this is gonna be taking input from a lot of different voices, which maybe they
1:11:47
didn't have with Quasie.
1:11:49
Right?
1:11:50
So, you know, it kinda plays out.
1:11:52
Now I know they've already said that they're not going to make a decision on the GM until
1:11:56
after the draft.
1:11:57
B, you'd kinda mentioned that maybe they go the whole season without a GM.
1:12:00
I don't think that's possible.
1:12:02
I I mean, don't think it's possible, but, I mean, again, right now, there's no names being
1:12:08
thrown out there that who could be, you know, the front runner, who could be the candidate.
1:12:13
Maybe they're not interviewing, but a lot of the experts I've been listening to and reading
1:12:19
about, there's nobody that they're like, oh, this would be a good fit for Minnesota to go
1:12:23
after this guy.
1:12:23
And, you know, so I mean, it wouldn't shock me, Vikings way, that they wait until towards the
1:12:29
end of the season to name a GM, but we'll see.
1:12:35
The deal in Green Bay who knows how to go.
1:12:38
Yeah.
1:12:38
They know how to develop them.
1:12:39
Well, they have the I'm not gonna argue that.
1:12:42
They have the We're all with you.
1:12:44
Just let that young guy and to not be reactive to what's out there.
1:12:48
You've also had hall of famers at quarterback for for
1:12:50
for That's what I'm saying is they I mean, who would have thought Brett Favre was a hall of
1:12:54
fame quarterback?
1:12:54
He goes to Green Bay.
1:12:56
He develops into that.
1:12:57
They let Rogers sit behind him for a year.
1:12:59
Rogers, you know, may not be a first ballot hall of famer, but he'll be at the hall of
1:13:03
fame.
1:13:04
Jordan Love, again, you know, he if if he doesn't win the ring, maybe that keeps him out
1:13:09
of the hall of fame, but, you know, he's been there, you know, in in the for the years.
1:13:15
So they know how to develop quarterbacks.
1:13:17
Right.
1:13:18
And, Dre, I definitely saw what I think
1:13:22
They've already said that.
1:13:22
You were leaning towards firing Quasie.
1:13:27
You should have fired him right after the season or even in
1:13:30
the season.
1:13:30
That's that's kinda where I but at this point, who the hell are you gonna hire?
1:13:34
You're gonna hire someone that's still gonna be fucking meeting people for the first time
1:13:38
before they drop.
1:13:39
That And and I think the bike I think
1:13:42
your entire scouting staff to bring them in.
1:13:45
I think you just put yourself in a really tough spot.
1:13:47
So, yeah,
1:13:48
I the I think the wolf said that at the firing about
1:13:52
hiring him until now more than, like, not hiring someone till after the draft.
1:13:56
Yeah.
1:13:56
And I think the wolf stated that they weren't gonna hire GL until after the draft.
1:14:03
Yeah.
1:14:04
Sean Manion.
1:14:05
New offensive coordinator in in in Philly.
1:14:09
Yeah.
1:14:09
That's former Viking quarterback.
1:14:11
Are you serious?
1:14:13
Sean Manion?
1:14:14
Yeah.
1:14:16
Yeah.
1:14:17
He's former Viking QB.
1:14:19
Phil Donahue, official.
1:14:21
Thank you.
1:14:21
Appreciate you tuning in, Phil.
1:14:27
Oh, well and you know what?
1:14:28
This year, we had a chance, man.
1:14:30
I mean, you you beat Green Bay in Green Bay, which is a game that I kinda look at that you
1:14:35
could've you just let you just let Micah Parsons just fucking run all over you in the
1:14:41
second half, man, and and you had no answer there.
1:14:44
You refused to run the ball, and you let the man just dominate you.
1:14:48
Wow.
1:14:50
Or we stop a kick return from almost being different person.
1:14:53
Game.
1:14:54
Right?
1:14:54
Yeah.
1:14:54
They're just, yeah.
1:14:57
It it is what it is.
1:14:58
They should have parked by saying, k o c, we got you, Dre.
1:15:01
We we we are a man.
1:15:02
And and honestly and typically, when the GM gets fired, the coach does go to I mean,
1:15:08
because, normally, they're one one a and one b.
1:15:10
But for some reason, there there's stuff in the locker room.
1:15:14
We don't know what happened.
1:15:15
So Long manion straight guard.
1:15:17
Well, then he's in the right city now.
1:15:19
Well, and like I said earlier, I mean, like, my sources are telling me that k that Quasie
1:15:26
wasn't trusted and that people just didn't trust his, level of experience.
1:15:31
They were saying you know, they're just, people saying that he was literally learning on the
1:15:36
job, but at least with, KOC and Bflow, you know, and Rob Burzinski, they've been in those
1:15:44
rooms, during drafts with, Quasi.
1:15:49
They've heard those conversations.
1:15:51
They've been in the predraft process talking to GMs.
1:15:54
They they got a little bit of rapport with some some GMs at least.
1:15:58
Like, we're not going in completely shit out of luck.
1:16:02
You know?
1:16:03
We got
1:16:03
This year, you don't.
1:16:04
I I think in drafts where you maybe only have a few picks, you gotta be a little more tactile
1:16:09
in how you're operating.
1:16:10
You got 10 picks this year.
1:16:11
Yeah.
1:16:12
You're kinda holding a lot of cards moving forward, but you also have a lot of holes.
1:16:15
And you have a lot of things that need to be dealt with.
1:16:18
And to me, I think it's gonna play out with Przyzinski kind of taking care of the free
1:16:25
agent, you know, not really having a lot of say in the draft process, handling the the cap
1:16:33
situation, getting you I mean, they gotta get cap compliant first.
1:16:36
Right?
1:16:36
Like, there
1:16:37
there's that need to be made and and contracts that need to be, you know, either renegotiate
1:16:41
or whatever before you even get to April.
1:16:44
Right?
1:16:44
So there's
1:16:45
And that's another thing that we can go over is who do we think is gonna be getting cut and let
1:16:49
go.
1:16:50
You know?
1:16:51
So
1:16:55
Yeah.
1:16:58
Yeah.
1:16:58
Especially now.
1:16:59
I I think it's harder than ever to get into the hall of fame.
1:17:01
I have fucking Bill Belichick came in.
1:17:03
I was just gonna say Bill.
1:17:05
Well, okay.
1:17:06
You know, the thing is is, you know, what the what the players get passed over as hall of
1:17:11
fame players.
1:17:12
I mean, how many players go into the draft?
1:17:16
Oh, there are can't miss players.
1:17:17
They're gonna be this.
1:17:18
They're gonna turn over a franchise, and they turn out to be, you know, dog crap.
1:17:23
And then, yeah, you got these guys that goes are late round draft picks, not drafted,
1:17:29
turning out to be a better hall of fame player than the guy they drafted.
1:17:33
So
1:17:34
I will tell you this, Bill Donahue.
1:17:36
If the fucking Timberwolves get Giannis, we are covering every single pregame, postgame.
1:17:42
Like, we are turning this into a Don't
1:17:44
get Cody started.
1:17:45
Don't get Cody started because I I accepted that too, and Cody wasn't too happy with me on
1:17:50
that.
1:17:52
Not But also Like
1:17:54
What are saying they would have to give up?
1:17:56
I mean, you would have to get I mean, they would be giving up a lot to get Giannis.
1:18:00
If if if Well, that that's all I'm saying.
1:18:03
It all depends on who you give up and what you give up.
1:18:05
I'll I don't wanna go up Nasrid.
1:18:08
I mean, I I think him and Ant to me are, like, two of the people I don't wanna get rid of.
1:18:12
Yeah.
1:18:12
I mean, he would come up.
1:18:13
It would have to be putting Giannis with Ant and Nasrid that made you, like, this is your
1:18:18
big three now.
1:18:19
But you literally ever like, we'll give you the rest of the team.
1:18:22
Yep.
1:18:22
You want you want I mean, they don't have much draft capital.
1:18:25
They don't you know what mean?
1:18:27
You know, so it would have to be something to get a third third or fourth team involved with
1:18:33
that trade, you know, and it's just like the Burrow thing.
1:18:36
I want my Burrow, but I don't I don't want to give up too much to get Burrow.
1:18:41
You know?
1:18:42
So, I mean, that's the whole thing is how much you gotta get to give them up.
1:18:45
Real quick with this Giannis situation, he's not worth 2 first rounds.
1:18:52
He's maybe worth a first and a second, and that's it.
1:18:56
Maybe a third second.
1:18:58
That's it.
1:18:59
I would I would story.
1:19:01
End of story.
1:19:02
I I I I think it would be one of those where I would offer, like, a couple first with the with
1:19:08
or a couple seconds with one of them being a conditional first depending on how the
1:19:13
Timberwolves do and and how long he plays with us.
1:19:16
Okay.
1:19:17
Know, something like that and a couple of players.
1:19:18
I mean but again, also, NBA's got that weird trade clause where the salary caps have to
1:19:26
match a certain percent of each one.
1:19:28
So it's not just you know, they they gotta have some money, you know, on both sides of the
1:19:34
ball.
1:19:34
But
1:19:35
My my Jay says you're tripping, Cody.
1:19:38
I knew I'd I knew I'd rather see people would
1:19:41
get was back in talking about that third and one tight end sneak.
1:19:46
Yeah.
1:19:47
I I that that was that was one moment where I was definitely on the fire KOC train.
1:19:55
Oh, get this fucking guy out of here, man.
1:19:57
I I can't watch that.
1:19:59
Giannis Giannis is a poor man's Ben Wallace.
1:20:02
Oh.
1:20:02
Oh.
1:20:06
Oh.
1:20:10
Man, Ben Wallace.
1:20:11
I mean, I'm not much of a basketball guy, but
1:20:15
Bro, Ben Wallace.
1:20:16
You don't you don't win two MVPs than being a par Ben Ben Wallace.
1:20:20
I mean
1:20:23
Alright.
1:20:23
Alright.
1:20:25
Hey.
1:20:25
I mean, I did run that team overseas for a little bit, but, you
1:20:30
know You
1:20:31
got basketball teams too?
1:20:33
Damn, man.
1:20:35
Yep.
1:20:35
That yeah.
1:20:36
That that one over in Thailand.
1:20:38
Taking shots.
1:20:39
Taking shots.
1:20:40
Damn.
1:20:41
Yeah.
1:20:42
I'm
1:20:43
I'm catching catching strays over here.
1:20:45
You don't don't necessarily have to know know ball to play ball or to coach it either, so
1:20:50
come on now.
1:20:51
KLC used to be as the worst coach in history, but he still got a job.
1:20:57
Yeah.
1:20:57
I I love it.
1:20:58
You we have the best friends, the best fans in the world, man.
1:21:01
Y'all are funny.
1:21:02
Stop taking shots
1:21:03
at coach Cody, man.
1:21:04
Thanks.
1:21:04
Pleasure.
1:21:04
Jason Walter's show.
1:21:06
Calm down,
1:21:06
Mike James.
1:21:07
Calm down.
1:21:08
Not our opinion.
1:21:09
Damn, Mike James.
1:21:10
Damn.
1:21:11
That's how you real feel, man.
1:21:13
How about you?
1:21:14
Dre, I can't say that.
1:21:15
I don't coach Cody's our ace in the hole for football analysis, so I can't even put that up
1:21:20
on the screen.
1:21:22
Oh, damn.
1:21:23
Let's talk a little Super Bowl.
1:21:25
We've kinda glossed over it a few times.
1:21:27
Obviously, we got the seahawks and the patriots.
1:21:30
Seahawks favored by four and a half, said.
1:21:32
Right, b?
1:21:33
Yep.
1:21:34
Four and a half.
1:21:37
I
1:21:39
think that's probably right where the line should be.
1:21:41
After watching the patriots play against the Broncos and just couldn't really get much going
1:21:46
offensively there, I think they're really gonna struggle against the Seahawks, Dee.
1:21:49
So I'm definitely picking the Seahawks to win here.
1:21:52
I know that's gonna hurt a lot of people in Vikings fandom.
1:21:56
Me, I'm on the, hey.
1:21:56
Look.
1:21:57
You know, things happen behind closed doors that we don't know.
1:22:01
You know, did Kwazi drop the ball with Sam Darnold?
1:22:03
Did it I don't know that Sam wanted to to stick around.
1:22:07
Right?
1:22:07
I think, you know, his camp is hearing what's coming out and people kinda putting it all on
1:22:12
Sam Darnold and maybe them looking back and going, look, man.
1:22:14
This guy can't call a fucking game to save his life.
1:22:17
You know?
1:22:17
You know?
1:22:18
And who knows the internal conversations that his team is having?
1:22:21
So I don't know that Sam was ever going to necessarily come back to the Vikings playing as
1:22:26
well as he did last season.
1:22:28
There were offers on the table, and and he kind of had the pick of the litter.
1:22:32
And, obviously, the man chose right because he's playing in the damn Super Bowl now.
1:22:36
Does that say that, you know, Sam's now going to be a future hall of famer to put some to let
1:22:42
some things slip past on my lips as Norspieus was saying?
1:22:47
No.
1:22:47
I I think Sam is he is who he is, serviceable, and can he show up in the big moment?
1:22:54
We're we're still gonna see here.
1:22:57
Mike James says, not the strays you made your bet.
1:23:02
Hey.
1:23:02
Hey, man.
1:23:04
He he might be a little bit better.
1:23:06
Maybe like a poor man, some Mario Stottomai or something.
1:23:09
You know what I'm saying?
1:23:10
Like, a little bit better.
1:23:15
Yeah.
1:23:16
I love it.
1:23:16
We're gonna have to start covering ball, man.
1:23:18
Everybody's Hey.
1:23:19
We can switch to it.
1:23:21
Dre says, I'll teach you this sports stuff.
1:23:26
Cody's doing quite alright.
1:23:28
Cody, we talked a little bit about it off series.
1:23:31
I I think oh, let's get your guys' picks for the Super Bowl.
1:23:34
Is everybody picking Seahawks?
1:23:35
Anybody got the Patriots?
1:23:38
No.
1:23:39
I got Seahawks.
1:23:40
Yeah.
1:23:41
I've been passing and turning.
1:23:44
I'm gonna go Seahawks.
1:23:46
I want a good game.
1:23:47
I want a good defensive battle.
1:23:48
I I I'm not up for the big blow too, though.
1:23:51
You know, some sometimes those big plays are very nice.
1:23:55
I'm gonna throw out the old cliche, though, that I think the team with the most turnover
1:23:59
that can capitalize over them and is gonna win their game.
1:24:04
So both defenses are good.
1:24:06
Both offenses are, you know, okay.
1:24:08
I think Donald's probably got some better off of it.
1:24:11
Mike James says Donald blow up game is due.
1:24:14
What I think is different
1:24:15
Man, that's Mike James, I'm I'm with you on that.
1:24:18
Well, I feel like this seahawks team is kind of built to
1:24:22
Did you talk about blow up in a good blow up or blow up in a bad blow up?
1:24:26
I mean, that's all too.
1:24:26
That.
1:24:27
I think you saw a blue screen of death, Sam.
1:24:29
But I feel like this Seahawks team is built to kinda, like, insulate the quarterback from that
1:24:33
happening.
1:24:34
They have some creative ways.
1:24:35
And especially with the way that they were using JSN last in their last game, I mean,
1:24:42
putting him in the backfield, but then finding ways to get on the ball of that.
1:24:44
Now you put a lot of shit on tape for this Patriots team to have two weeks to prepare for
1:24:49
some of that stuff.
1:24:50
But it it'll be yeah.
1:24:52
I mean, if Darnold is serviceable, I I think they win.
1:24:55
They're gonna run
1:24:56
the ball.
1:24:56
Run.
1:24:57
They gotta run the ball.
1:24:58
K nine run the ball, man.
1:24:59
Well and and the and the one thing I I noticed or I've seen and heard that the teams talked
1:25:04
about is the defense is there to back up the offense.
1:25:09
The offense makes play.
1:25:10
The defense knows they have to pick it up.
1:25:12
And vice versa, if the offense is if the defensive makes a mistake, then the offense
1:25:18
knows they gotta take control and and get that back.
1:25:21
So, I mean, they're they're all in it.
1:25:23
They're all drinking the same Seattle juice over there, going to the same fish markets and
1:25:27
stuff like that.
1:25:27
So they're all honored.
1:25:28
Right this week that Kubiak is he already hired as a head coach?
1:25:35
Kurt Kubiak is hired.
1:25:37
Yeah.
1:25:39
I wanna say I wanna say the Raiders.
1:25:41
I think he would too.
1:25:44
Yeah.
1:25:44
So and I mean, that that's kinda crazy to accept the job before you've left the other one
1:25:51
and to kinda know your coach into your lap game.
1:25:53
That's kinda interesting.
1:25:55
Hey, Dre.
1:25:56
We appreciate having you, man.
1:25:58
Always a pleasure.
1:25:59
Appreciate your takes, man.
1:26:01
I hope you tune in every Tuesday with us.
1:26:03
We're gonna get a nice little Big B's Vikings history.
1:26:07
We're gonna dive into the archives with you, man, and it's gonna be a great time.
1:26:12
So thanks for tuning in.
1:26:13
Appreciate you.
1:26:14
Have a good night, brother.
1:26:15
God bless you as well.
1:26:17
Oh, hey.
1:26:20
How did how did the Browns Pro Bowl quarterback do in the in the big game?
1:26:26
I'd like
1:26:27
to They don't do the stats for that, but I thought he threw he he tried to throw the the
1:26:33
try to throw the chase and bounced off his hands for a pick or something like that.
1:26:36
But Oh.
1:26:38
Don't feel good.
1:26:38
That that's the guy I wish the bike is one of trying to get track.
1:26:43
Yeah.
1:26:45
Facts.
1:26:46
Yeah.
1:26:47
I yeah.
1:26:48
It's gonna be interesting thing.
1:26:50
So everybody picking the Seahawks here just because
1:26:53
Yeah.
1:26:53
The Seahawks
1:26:55
tracking a
1:26:55
whole lot.
1:26:56
They look dominant, man.
1:26:57
They just looked dominant.
1:26:59
We we obviously watched them in the season, shut out the Vikings in that game.
1:27:03
You know, they didn't look like world beaters in that game necessarily.
1:27:09
I think the Vikings defense really showed up against them, but they still put up 28 points.
1:27:14
Right?
1:27:14
Like, they still had a they put up a bunch of points on a Vikings defense that didn't give up
1:27:19
a lot of points during the season even not being, you know, a a playoff team, although
1:27:25
just kinda being on the outside of that.
1:27:28
Watching them beat up on the forty niners was an eye opener to me where I was like, damn.
1:27:34
That team could win a Super Bowl.
1:27:36
Right?
1:27:36
Where because the
1:27:37
I think that opened up a lot of eyes for a lot of people.
1:27:40
Well, because it was a a game that could have decided a lot of stuff.
1:27:43
Right?
1:27:44
Like, it was still you know, that was kind of a playoff game at the end of the season.
1:27:48
And to come out and do what they did to him was like, okay.
1:27:51
This team this team's for real.
1:27:52
And they're believing.
1:27:53
And I think there's a lot to be said, and maybe, Cody, you can speak to this from the,
1:27:57
you know, player coach perspective that when when you roll in with confidence and there's
1:28:02
not a lot of question marks in your head that, you play differently as a unit.
1:28:07
You know?
1:28:08
And to come out in their first their first play in the playoffs this year was a freaking 90
1:28:13
some yard touchdown return.
1:28:15
Right?
1:28:15
Like, first time you touch a ball, you're you're feeling like, you know, the football
1:28:19
gods are smiling down on you at that point.
1:28:22
Yeah.
1:28:22
I mean, when you're feeling it and things are just rolling, and you get that confidence, you
1:28:28
get that momentum, it honestly feels like you're just on cloud nine.
1:28:33
Everything, seems to work out in your favor, especially with that kick return, but it's a
1:28:39
it's a whole different type of feeling when you start to believe.
1:28:43
You know, at the beginning of the season, everyone's got their you know, we're going to
1:28:47
the Super Bowl.
1:28:48
And then as the season goes on, you're like, oh, shit.
1:28:51
I'm like, this might be of a thing.
1:28:54
And then you get through the playoffs and you're like, damn.
1:28:56
Like, we're untouchable.
1:28:58
Like, someone asked me how I'm feeling.
1:29:00
I'm like, unstoppable.
1:29:01
That's that's the type of feeling that, you know, you get.
1:29:06
Yeah.
1:29:06
That I think the weather played a big factor in that game up in New England.
1:29:11
Yeah.
1:29:12
That is the quarterback.
1:29:13
Yeah.
1:29:14
And, yeah, he just played so poorly.
1:29:16
What do you have?
1:29:17
Five turnovers?
1:29:18
Five in that game?
1:29:20
So, coach, you you probably have more experience in championship preparation than me
1:29:27
and Bubba do on Madden.
1:29:30
So what what's the team's aspect?
1:29:32
I mean, going into you know, I mean, granted there's a two week spread here between their
1:29:37
last game, but as the game is getting closer, what's your aspect of your team?
1:29:42
I mean, what's what's going through the mindset you guys are preparing to step on the field one
1:29:47
last time for everything?
1:29:49
Right.
1:29:50
Well, I mean, you know, leading up to the Super Bowl or to the big game like that, a
1:29:55
championship game, you know, you're still riding that high from the last game, but then,
1:30:00
you know, you you know deep down, you gotta, like, you gotta just, throw that to the side
1:30:06
and get ready for the next one.
1:30:07
And you try to do that as quickly as you can.
1:30:10
That way you can get locked in as quickly as you can.
1:30:14
And then it's just, you know, you get you get so locked in that the last, week, you know, it
1:30:22
it just nothing else matters, and you're just so focused on winning and, like, handling the
1:30:31
job, you know, playing for your family, you know, because your your team is your family.
1:30:38
So, you know, you just everything is amped up.
1:30:43
Your preparation, your, the practices, everything is just, you know, wanna go out and,
1:30:53
you know, ball out for your your team one more time and make sure that you come out on top.
1:30:57
So every everything is just kicked up a notch.
1:31:02
Well, man, this is such a different game.
1:31:05
Sorry to cut you off there.
1:31:06
No.
1:31:07
Go ahead.
1:31:07
Super Bowl is such a spectacle and really unlike any other game.
1:31:12
The media attention and all of that.
1:31:14
Now I know it's hard to say because we've never been there.
1:31:18
Although bucket list, I think as a trio, I would love to go and experience
1:31:22
all that
1:31:22
with you guys.
1:31:23
And and regardless of who's playing, I think it would be wonderful to experience.
1:31:28
But do you think that neither one of these teams really having as they're constructed now
1:31:34
having that experience.
1:31:35
Now you have Mike Vrabel, head coaching on the Patriots side who's been up to a lot of these.
1:31:40
Right?
1:31:41
Let's be honest.
1:31:42
A man that knows what to expect and maybe can prepare his team a little bit better than the
1:31:46
Seahawks.
1:31:46
Do you think that gives a little bit of maybe a tactical advantage just in the preparation of
1:31:51
the leading up to the week and the media attention and being able to give them a little
1:31:54
bit of a, you know, kind of a crash course in it before they get there?
1:31:59
Or do you think that it really doesn't matter?
1:32:01
These guys are professionals, and it's not really gonna have an effect either way.
1:32:06
No.
1:32:06
It it definitely plays a part a big part into it.
1:32:09
You know, you've been there, especially Mike Mike Vrabel.
1:32:14
You know, just being to so many Super Bowls, you know what to expect.
1:32:19
You know how it's laid out, how it's planned out, media day, and all that stuff.
1:32:26
I mean, for some of these players, especially rookies, you know, second year players, you
1:32:32
know, it can be a lot.
1:32:33
It can be a a lot.
1:32:35
You know?
1:32:35
And, it's just being that being a guy that's been there, you know, you can kinda prepare the
1:32:44
your players like, hey.
1:32:45
This is how it's gonna go down the day one, two, and three, and just lead them into it
1:32:50
instead of going in blind and kinda, I guess, kinda shell shocked.
1:32:55
You know?
1:32:57
Yeah.
1:32:57
I think they're gonna I think both teams are gonna lead on a lot of veteran people that have
1:33:02
been to the game even maybe you didn't win it, but they're gonna reach out to I mean,
1:33:07
Seattle's probably gonna reach out to some of their former players to come in and talk to the
1:33:10
team.
1:33:11
Of course, the Patriots get on that experience.
1:33:13
You know, Drebold, though, is on the verge of being the first player coach or the first coach
1:33:19
to win the Super Bowl as a player and a coach with the same team.
1:33:24
You know?
1:33:25
That's crazy.
1:33:26
That's tough.
1:33:27
That's tough right there.
1:33:28
I I I think we can I I think there's a lot more that has to happen besides the similarities of
1:33:33
them being in the same uniform and waiting for the same team that Drake May does?
1:33:37
We can pump the brakes on the Tom Brady comparisons.
1:33:40
Maybe if he wins two, we can start to kinda go there.
1:33:45
And yeah.
1:33:46
Yeah.
1:33:46
I don't like the comparisons to a young person a couple years into it.
1:33:51
I mean,
1:33:51
you know, Brady was a fifth round guy.
1:33:53
Drake May was still a first round quarterback.
1:33:55
There's higher expectations that come around with that anyway.
1:33:59
And the thing is is the what ifs play.
1:34:01
What if Drew Blesso doesn't get hurt?
1:34:03
Do we know who Brady is?
1:34:04
I mean, we're talking a whole different history.
1:34:06
Yeah.
1:34:07
Yeah.
1:34:07
No.
1:34:10
Yeah, man.
1:34:12
Wow, man.
1:34:13
It it's gonna
1:34:13
be a MVP prediction.
1:34:15
Coach, b, are you doing a Super Bowl party?
1:34:18
I know you'd mentioned your buddy was maybe doing some stuff.
1:34:20
I don't know if we're gonna do a watch along.
1:34:23
I I don't know.
1:34:25
I haven't heard nothing lately.
1:34:27
Yeah.
1:34:28
Next round pick.
1:34:29
But, yeah, we'll we'll see.
1:34:32
I mean, if if there's a podcast that wants to do a party and need some people to talk about
1:34:36
it, I'm all in.
1:34:39
You know?
1:34:39
So I know I work until two, so I'll get home, grab something to eat, get ready to sit down
1:34:44
and watch the game.
1:34:45
But Cody matches Super Bowl MVP predictions.
1:34:51
I think the favorite is Sam Darnold to win it.
1:34:55
So I guess if Seattle wins and he balls out, you know, unless he's throwing everything to
1:35:01
JSN.
1:35:01
I mean, unless JSN has, like, three
1:35:04
top top just thinking that.
1:35:05
It'd be like, maybe JSN could win it.
1:35:08
But if
1:35:09
If JSN has more touchdowns
1:35:12
throwing the ball, so it's like they're kinda tied together.
1:35:15
Well, but Sam could ball out a different way.
1:35:17
JSN, you know, has four four catches, a buck fifty, and three touchdowns where Santano has
1:35:23
four touchdowns, 350 yards.
1:35:25
I mean so, I mean
1:35:27
Yeah.
1:35:27
But also
1:35:28
gonna be an offensive it's gonna be an offensive player, but if Seattle
1:35:32
did to the track.
1:35:34
It's gonna it's gonna be one of the core quarterbacks that, you know, the quarterback
1:35:37
the winning team's quarterback is gonna be the one that's probably gonna get the MVP.
1:35:41
So I left this one up here from Mike James.
1:35:43
Thoughts on Tom Brady saying he has no dog in this fight.
1:35:46
Lame to not hear an all time great, not support the team.
1:35:49
I know Vikings legends would be hyped for this team.
1:35:52
The fact of the matter is is they let Tom go and kept Bill.
1:35:56
So, I
1:35:56
mean Yeah.
1:35:57
I think
1:35:57
there's some animosity.
1:35:58
So, obviously, him making these statements kinda speak to that a little bit.
1:36:03
And then the moment kinda rubbing their nose in it, winning one with the Bucks is something
1:36:08
there.
1:36:08
Well, you got you gotta understand, though, Tom Brady's, you know, announcer slash part owner
1:36:13
of the Raiders.
1:36:14
So does he really want to say, oh, yeah.
1:36:17
I'm gonna go with my old team.
1:36:19
And Is that different, though, if he just finishes it out, they let Belichick go and he
1:36:23
finishes his career out as a Patriot?
1:36:27
Is that a I mean, that's kinda, you know, revisionist history, obviously, there.
1:36:30
But is it different?
1:36:32
I feel like there's some I that felt like a little tension.
1:36:35
Yeah.
1:36:35
That's it.
1:36:36
I mean, if he stays with if he stays with he stays with the Patriots but ends up in the same
1:36:40
jobs that he has, I still think he makes the same comic because he doesn't want his new team
1:36:45
to be like, oh, you're oh, what's the Patriot?
1:36:48
Oh, Patriot.
1:36:49
You know you know, what was that Mighty Ducks theme, but, you know, making the coach was
1:36:56
making jokes about the team that he's coaching.
1:36:58
The team heard about it, and they started mocking them.
1:37:01
You know?
1:37:01
And it's just like so I I think Brady was smart just to kinda say, I don't have a dog in the
1:37:05
fight.
1:37:06
Yeah.
1:37:07
Steven
1:37:09
says May for MVP.
1:37:10
He's on that Patriot train.
1:37:12
I mean, if he's not a Walker.
1:37:14
You know, speak of Benson.
1:37:15
He had Kenneth Walker, maybe, a question mark there.
1:37:18
Kenneth Walker.
1:37:19
Yep.
1:37:20
You know, it it Yeah.
1:37:21
Means something.
1:37:22
Now what JJ are we talking about here, Stan?
1:37:25
Are we talking about
1:37:26
Justin Jefferson?
1:37:27
Yeah.
1:37:28
He's talking about Justin Jefferson.
1:37:29
Okay.
1:37:30
Yeah.
1:37:31
I think Justin Jefferson ain't going nowhere, man.
1:37:33
Well He did make those comments.
1:37:35
What did he say?
1:37:36
What happened?
1:37:37
Yeah.
1:37:37
Yeah.
1:37:39
And, Steve, you can help me out, but I'm pretty sure he he just the whole yeah.
1:37:46
You we coulda kept Sam Darnold Sam Darnold's, like, a Super Bowl caliber quarterback,
1:37:53
something like that.
1:37:54
And so now everyone's freaking out.
1:37:58
Oh, but, again, I mean, again, we talked about it before.
1:38:04
Did Sam after after we drafted JJ the year before, the what was there a chance to get Sam
1:38:10
Darnold to stay?
1:38:11
I mean, you know, you you go to the big team.
1:38:14
Chance you had was when you had the exclusive rights.
1:38:17
Right?
1:38:17
Like, the time
1:38:18
to sign Sam was midseason before you got to the end, and, you know, we'll see.
1:38:26
Mike James yeah.
1:38:27
But but the thing is too is he they didn't make no.
1:38:30
They didn't make
1:38:31
for a reason.
1:38:32
That man has been addictive as hell.
1:38:33
You don't know the little things that goes on in his head to prepare him every single day.
1:38:38
So right now, like I said, I I think the post the post going into it I mean, he was a
1:38:44
Buccaneer for what?
1:38:45
Three?
1:38:45
He played, like, three more seasons after he left the Pat.
1:38:47
So it's not like it was just, like Yeah.
1:38:48
Left for a year, and and then, you know, they he was gone for a little while, and I don't
1:38:54
think that that I think that love was kinda lost there.
1:38:58
I mean, what
1:39:00
was it?
1:39:00
We said You're you're getting mixed reaction because all year JJ stuck behind JJ.
1:39:05
All year said, this is our dog.
1:39:07
This is our guy.
1:39:07
You gotta say
1:39:08
for him.
1:39:10
And you gotta say that.
1:39:11
And and again, you know, you know, is he happy for Sam Donald to get a shot?
1:39:16
Yeah.
1:39:17
So he's probably saying, you know so you gotta read into it a little bit.
1:39:22
I mean, Vikings would be forced to, you know, trade away JJ Jefferson.
1:39:28
I I don't think
1:39:29
you can put it all on McCarthy with the shambles that was the offensive line all season
1:39:37
either.
1:39:38
You can't throw the ball 25 yards down the field on those deep crosses and those deep ends
1:39:43
if you have no time in the backfield.
1:39:46
So we'll see.
1:39:48
Hopefully, they can get some
1:39:49
And and I'm and I'm not gonna dispute this comment for, you know, JJ's time being a waste
1:39:56
of it.
1:39:56
I mean, yes.
1:39:57
It is being wasted per se.
1:39:59
But, again, only two teams could play for the title.
1:40:03
Only one team can win it.
1:40:05
You know?
1:40:05
And it and it takes 52 guys or 56, whatever the roster is, to get you there.
1:40:10
So How
1:40:10
many yards how many yards did he have in the year with Darnold?
1:40:16
How many yards did Jefferson have in 2024
1:40:22
Let's see here.
1:40:23
Compare.
1:40:26
So let's see here.
1:40:28
So 2024, fifteen fifteen thirty three, so he was 500 yards less.
1:40:36
With JJ, he was about 20 catches less with JJ and the quarterback crew this year, and he
1:40:45
definitely his touchdowns are way down.
1:40:47
So
1:40:49
And that's what it's all about.
1:40:51
But it but I mean, it's mean, this was his lowest average crew.
1:40:56
McCarthy didn't play quarterback in, what, six games this year.
1:41:00
Yep.
1:41:01
Right?
1:41:02
So there's a lot of extenuating circumstances there.
1:41:05
They didn't play 17 games together.
1:41:06
You can't put it all on Jay Jay McCarthy in that thing.
1:41:09
Mike James, I agree with you as well.
1:41:12
I mean, honestly, it's not like his year was total shit.
1:41:15
He's still at over a thousand yards.
1:41:17
He could've caught some more balls and helped his numbers too.
1:41:21
Right?
1:41:21
There was a couple bombs that changed the thing.
1:41:24
500 yards over the course of a 17 game season.
1:41:27
Quick math on that.
1:41:29
You're talking, like, 30 yards extra per game that he didn't get.
1:41:32
That's one catch.
1:41:33
That's one extra deep catch that he didn't get.
1:41:35
Two.
1:41:36
So, I I mean, the numbers aren't that far off, and he dropped a few.
1:41:41
Well, he dropped he dropped quite a bit.
1:41:43
Look at the catch percentage.
1:41:45
I mean, you know
1:41:47
Well, yeah.
1:41:47
I I think
1:41:48
that's the yeah.
1:41:49
The the best juice they got sorry.
1:41:51
I was addressing Steve's comment here.
1:41:52
The Vikings get burrowed.
1:41:53
JJ will be, hell yeah, man.
1:41:55
These guys won a goddamn national championship together.
1:41:58
That's his boy.
1:41:59
And I think that's the juice that they have in this whole Burrow talk.
1:42:03
I I they think that's the only thing they got going on that where Burrow would request the
1:42:06
trade and be such a problem in Cincinnati.
1:42:09
Like, Cincinnati is not just coming out and going, yeah.
1:42:11
We're getting rid of this fucking bomb.
1:42:13
Right?
1:42:13
Like, that's not the conversation that's going on.
1:42:15
Burrow is
1:42:16
a As much as we like Burrow and and Jefferson would definitely be stoked to have his own
1:42:22
running buddy.
1:42:23
Burrow's not the healthiest guy either.
1:42:25
I mean, so we still gotta focus on the offensive line and still come back to that
1:42:29
offensive line.
1:42:30
Yeah.
1:42:30
Yeah.
1:42:31
I was
1:42:31
on it.
1:42:31
Yeah.
1:42:31
He he had a couple of drops this year that completely changed the narrative on JJ McCarthy
1:42:36
and on his season and those things too.
1:42:38
So, you know, it's not, you know, the the the Dallas game.
1:42:42
He dropped an easy one.
1:42:43
He
1:42:43
had another one.
1:42:45
I I can't remember what game it was, but, I mean, even in the back half of the season, two,
1:42:49
three touchdowns.
1:42:49
Then And you got a little bit of confidence rolling on the on the team as well and things
1:42:53
changed.
1:42:53
So, you know, a lot of things happened.
1:42:55
This wasn't such an up and down year with injuries, offensive line play Dropping
1:43:00
the asses.
1:43:01
There was a lot to fight through, man.
1:43:03
Addison too.
1:43:04
Yeah.
1:43:05
Only, like, trustworthy receiver you had in the core was Speedy Naylor.
1:43:09
Like, to me, that has to be that's the guy that has to come back.
1:43:13
You gotta get Speedy back.
1:43:14
Addison's gotta go.
1:43:16
Make
1:43:16
Naylor can go.
1:43:17
Still think Naylor is a probably a number three in that position.
1:43:21
I think you're honestly going out and trying to find somebody that a bigger bodied receiver
1:43:25
that can maybe, like, you have Naylor and and a bigger bodied receiver in that, like, two,
1:43:29
three.
1:43:30
Right?
1:43:30
So your three you whoever's in that x you know, I don't know what they named them.
1:43:34
Cody.
1:43:35
You would you would probably have to correct me on this, that you kinda have that x y and and
1:43:40
what they call the receivers.
1:43:42
But that's you need a bigger bodied core in that in that.
1:43:47
You know?
1:43:47
You have a speedy guy in Naylor.
1:43:49
To me, him and Addison are kind of almost carbon not necessarily carbon copies.
1:43:54
I know Addison's a little bit bigger, but you you need somebody that can go up and get it
1:43:58
like JJ with like Jefferson, right, in that position too to take a little bit of that
1:44:03
pressure off that can go make those same kind of catches.
1:44:06
Well, and then it's all the same.
1:44:07
Take take the pressure off because the team knows that the bread and butter is Justin
1:44:13
Jefferson.
1:44:13
What are they gonna do?
1:44:14
He's gonna double team them.
1:44:16
You know?
1:44:17
So we need a running game.
1:44:18
We need a second receiver.
1:44:20
We need a lot more to get Jefferson open more to get him the ball.
1:44:26
I mean, because
1:44:27
tight end play.
1:44:29
Well, and and, coach, you can agree with me.
1:44:31
But if you know that one player is their dominant player, what are you gonna do?
1:44:35
You're gonna let you're gonna do your best to stop them and to make everybody else beat you.
1:44:38
Right?
1:44:39
Correct.
1:44:39
So everybody knows Jefferson's our best player, so they're gonna stop them.
1:44:47
Yeah.
1:44:48
And, Mike, you're right.
1:44:49
I I don't, I don't know ball.
1:44:51
I know podcasting.
1:44:52
That's why I'm here.
1:44:53
So, I I defer to Yeah.
1:44:56
Cody on pretty much all the ball talk.
1:44:58
But yeah.
1:44:59
So the x is, like, your number one, and then the y would be that.
1:45:02
And then your third one would, what, be a z?
1:45:04
Is that what they would kinda affirm that as?
1:45:06
QB or wide receiver three?
1:45:08
Yeah.
1:45:11
Yeah.
1:45:11
I I think having another body, you know, not necessarily, you know, it doesn't have to be AJ
1:45:16
Brown, but you could find other guys out there, hopefully.
1:45:20
So I will be scouting through that too.
1:45:21
I'm like
1:45:22
AJ Brown.
1:45:22
But again, the Vikings could've used you know, they could've moved AJ around a lot more like
1:45:27
the Seattle did what JSN and put him in the backfield here and there and and try to get
1:45:32
ways to get him open and just instead of keeping him on the outside.
1:45:35
I mean, so the Vikings are off a little bit.
1:45:38
So but, again true.
1:45:40
Like, he's your number one playmaker, and you got and you're failing to try to get him the
1:45:45
ball.
1:45:46
Like And
1:45:46
I feel like we saw a little bit of that later on with, you know, kind of these, like, de
1:45:51
facto screenplays that were running him.
1:45:53
You were you were doing a couple of different things.
1:45:54
But, yeah, why didn't it happen earlier in the season?
1:45:56
Right?
1:45:57
KOC was just too damn stubborn for too long.
1:46:02
Crazy was like Chris Rock vanishing.
1:46:04
Oh, it was something, man.
1:46:09
I don't you know, I think I mean, I've been calling for Crazy's job since we started this
1:46:15
show midway this year.
1:46:18
So I I no no skin off my back to see him go.
1:46:23
I I wanna see a lot of different things from this team over this
1:46:26
It's like Chris Rockman.
1:46:29
No.
1:46:29
I know.
1:46:30
I know.
1:46:31
Busting out Chris Rock.
1:46:33
Oh, man.
1:46:34
It was just funny.
1:46:36
Yeah.
1:46:36
It'll be interesting to see, what goes on here.
1:46:39
I I don't know who's out there, and we're gonna obviously get into it with the draft coverage.
1:46:43
Maybe they find a a day two or a day three wide receiver that can mail more fit that mold that
1:46:49
KOC can get a little bit out of.
1:46:51
That's a go up and get it type guy.
1:46:53
Because, really, Jefferson's the only one you have that's like that.
1:46:56
All these other guys have to be kinda schemed open and run-in that way.
1:47:01
It'll be interesting.
1:47:04
Yeah.
1:47:05
I I think the Vikings are gonna I mean, I would say probably 85% of the offense is gonna be
1:47:10
back next year just because of the cap situation and, you know, what we got to work
1:47:16
with.
1:47:16
I mean, you're definitely gonna get a few new rookies, probably a draft undrafted guy.
1:47:22
You're definitely gonna have two new quarterbacks behind JJ or maybe three new
1:47:25
quarterbacks depending on what they wanna do.
1:47:27
So I would say 80% of this team is back next year.
1:47:31
Yeah.
1:47:32
I still am leaning towards JJ McCarthy as the starter just because I don't know what deal
1:47:37
you're gonna be able to make.
1:47:39
To me, it's a hail Mary that Burrow is even available and you're able to make that deal.
1:47:44
So I don't know that there's a lot there.
1:47:47
I don't think there's really anybody else on my list that I'm even asking there.
1:47:51
And as far as, like, people that are available now, right, I mean, like, Tyrod Taylor was a
1:47:55
name that got thrown out, and it's like, I don't know.
1:47:58
Like, that's not an upgrade.
1:47:59
He's not starting over JJ McCarthy, but you never know who's getting cut right before camp,
1:48:06
what goes on on some of these other teams.
1:48:07
You just never know.
1:48:08
You know?
1:48:08
Well, know it's that was a big issue.
1:48:11
App situations on other teams to know who may be available.
1:48:15
And that was the big issue last year is that they waited forever to hire or sign a veteran
1:48:20
quarterback, and we will
1:48:22
You're not gonna have that problem this year.
1:48:25
Malik, just once again, doesn't really fit what KOC wants to do and what he wants out of his
1:48:30
quarterback.
1:48:30
You know?
1:48:31
So it's gonna be
1:48:33
Do we got a break?
1:48:33
You think we keep Brosmer?
1:48:36
Yeah.
1:48:37
Or you think we practice squad got him?
1:48:39
It's a decent story.
1:48:40
He can run the practice squad.
1:48:42
I think he's serviceable in that.
1:48:44
The Vikings have to give somebody that's been around for a while, that's not too much of a
1:48:49
threat to JJ's job, and that will be willing to teach JJ the NFL game.
1:48:56
Yeah.
1:48:57
Like, the Kirk Cousins keeps coming up.
1:49:00
Don't
1:49:00
think No.
1:49:02
I don't think he's got it left.
1:49:03
Somebody was telling us last week or maybe I was in, I was talking with Flacco, Mike James.
1:49:08
Flacco will be the guy I would say that would fit that bowl where he's coming there's a of
1:49:14
James missed him.
1:49:16
But the thing is is he comes in, he does the game, he's been around for a while, he's not
1:49:21
gonna threaten JJ's job.
1:49:23
Jamos Winston's an interesting name there.
1:49:26
He's got the arm strength that KOC likes.
1:49:29
I just don't say I don't know if I he kinda does fit that mold of the scrap heap guys that
1:49:36
that KOC has had success with.
1:49:39
Right?
1:49:40
People I wouldn't mind Baker Mayfield.
1:49:42
No.
1:49:44
Now Baker, I think, would threaten JJ's job.
1:49:47
I mean
1:49:48
That's fine.
1:49:48
Get him.
1:49:49
Push him.
1:49:49
Well, maybe get it.
1:49:50
Oh, well, yeah.
1:49:51
Push him is a good thing.
1:49:52
I mean
1:49:53
Tyler Murray, Once again I don't trust him.
1:49:57
I don't trust him in that playbook.
1:50:00
Hey, Mike James.
1:50:01
Appreciate you tuning in, man.
1:50:02
Yeah.
1:50:03
Yeah.
1:50:03
We're probably getting ready to tap out.
1:50:05
Been here for Yeah.
1:50:07
Cody's gotta get back to work, one of his other six jobs.
1:50:11
I got contracts.
1:50:13
Cody, in our last ten minutes here, man, go ahead and tell everybody, about your weekend
1:50:18
out in Wyoming and how everything went and kinda get us a little bit prepared for, the
1:50:23
cavalry season that's coming up fucking soon, man.
1:50:26
Yeah.
1:50:27
Look look look look cramped in that van that you had there.
1:50:31
Oh my goodness.
1:50:32
Yeah.
1:50:32
I it was
1:50:33
I'm glad you sent
1:50:34
in a pic, man.
1:50:35
I well, I'm gonna go scour your Facebook real quick.
1:50:37
See if we
1:50:38
can Yeah.
1:50:38
No.
1:50:38
It was it was it was interesting.
1:50:41
We went, you know, I'm the assistant head coach and defensive coordinator for the Wyoming
1:50:46
cavalry.
1:50:47
We're an arena team, in the AIF, and, we just had our training camp out in Gillette, Wyoming.
1:50:54
I run the defense here in Minnesota.
1:50:57
The offense lives in Gillette, Wyoming.
1:50:59
And so, we had to take a transit van, not big enough, apparently, to fit all of us, but we
1:51:08
had to take a transit van out there and, you know, spent a couple days out there.
1:51:13
Got to meet people from the community, do meet and greets, and, just get everybody excited
1:51:18
about bringing arena football back to Wyoming.
1:51:22
Their former team played in Casper, so we had to make sure we set the record straight.
1:51:29
But it was amazing.
1:51:31
The weather I mean, right now, what is it right now here in Minnesota, Big B?
1:51:35
Because out there, was 54, no no snow on the ground, feeling like spring, and then we come
1:51:40
back to, like, in the teens, maybe single digit weather.
1:51:46
Right.
1:51:47
Every everybody had a blast.
1:51:48
We got there.
1:51:49
You know, it was it's always nice to have a safe, smooth trip.
1:51:53
You know, going out for a training camp and trying to fight for a roster spot, I mean, I I
1:51:59
brought, 13 of us out there and, you know, just hoping for the best.
1:52:05
I knew that I was bringing dogs, but, you know, just being able to come back and have all 13,
1:52:12
have good news and make that squad.
1:52:14
Yeah.
1:52:15
Yeah.
1:52:16
Oh, man.
1:52:17
Dogs.
1:52:18
We got dogs.
1:52:20
Our everybody's excited.
1:52:21
We're hyped, ready to go.
1:52:23
They brought, energy, competition, and just everybody's hyped.
1:52:29
Our first game is actually on Valentine's Day in Gillette, Wyoming against the CNY Blue
1:52:34
Devils.
1:52:35
I'll throw up as a link for the stream.
1:52:37
That way everybody could watch it.
1:52:39
So and we're excited
1:52:41
to get it.
1:52:41
Well, that's So, Cody, is there defensive players down there already on the team, or is
1:52:45
this all coming from up here in the in Minnesota?
1:52:48
There's a few.
1:52:50
There's a few that are over there right now still, just, you know, that from were from
1:52:56
around the area.
1:52:58
But, you know, I just had a guy, from Florida.
1:53:01
He competes and trains with a bunch of NFL, players.
1:53:06
He's flying to his hometown of Wisconsin, and then he'll be, driving to practices here with
1:53:11
me.
1:53:12
I got a couple people from Fargo, North Dakota.
1:53:15
I'll also be carrying some offensive players too, quarterback, few wide receivers, o line.
1:53:22
So
1:53:24
Okay.
1:53:25
Hell, yeah.
1:53:27
Definitely some memories made there, some team bonding.
1:53:30
Yeah.
1:53:31
Looks
1:53:31
like you got a hell of a crew, man.
1:53:33
Yeah.
1:53:34
I'll I'm I'm grateful for each and every one of them, and we're just ready to ball out.
1:53:38
We're ready to hit somebody.
1:53:40
Yeah.
1:53:41
Well, maybe we get that link of me and Bubba does play by play from a distance here.
1:53:46
Yeah.
1:53:46
Let's get it.
1:53:47
We're gonna
1:53:48
watch Logan at PSN and call the games from here.
1:53:52
And, yeah, man.
1:53:53
We we love covering this your team, and I actually have a show that night, so I won't be
1:53:57
doing it live.
1:53:58
But depending what time is the game?
1:54:01
07:00, 7PM.
1:54:03
7PM on Valentine's Day.
1:54:04
On Valentine's Day
1:54:05
is the good So I'm gonna wear
1:54:07
the headset set on stage.
1:54:09
You can mute me while I'm singing a song b.
1:54:13
Maybe I can do a halftime show with you or something.
1:54:15
Well, it'll be better than big bad buddies halftime show probably.
1:54:22
Oh.
1:54:22
We're gonna have comments on that.
1:54:24
So we are gonna do a watch along.
1:54:25
Super Bowl Sunday.
1:54:27
Let's
1:54:27
do it.
1:54:27
We'll make it happen.
1:54:29
We'll throw up a link for everybody.
1:54:30
If you guys are gonna be tuning in, please join us.
1:54:33
We're gonna do a little Super Bowl watch along.
1:54:35
I don't know if I'll be out here in the studio, if I'll be in the house watching on prime.
1:54:41
But yeah, man.
1:54:42
Just a a great time to celebrate football, celebrate this family, obviously talk some more
1:54:48
cavalry football and leading up to the big game.
1:54:51
You know, for us, I'm not all about the game.
1:54:54
We're here.
1:54:54
We're gonna comment on some commercials.
1:54:56
We're gonna comment on a Bad Bunny halftime show.
1:54:59
I'm not gonna know a single song in this one.
1:55:01
Man, how did y'all feel?
1:55:02
I thought Rihanna's halftime show was fucking balling.
1:55:04
Like, why don't they just run Rihanna back?
1:55:06
You know what I'm saying, though.
1:55:08
Oh, man.
1:55:10
Come on.
1:55:10
Like, spring Janet Jackson's titty back.
1:55:12
What are you doing?
1:55:18
Having boost ratings.
1:55:19
It's all about ratings.
1:55:21
Man, I've I love doing this show with you all so much, man.
1:55:25
These last few weeks have been have been awesome.
1:55:29
Last week, having rap on from Vocal Bike.
1:55:33
That's the guy we need to get out from a I mean, he's probably gonna do his own football
1:55:36
thing, but yeah.
1:55:37
He's definitely gotta be on Yeah. The
1:55:39
The
1:55:41
Yeah.
1:55:41
Well, we'll we'll make sure we send out the invites.
1:55:43
It'll be interesting.
1:55:44
Obviously, we have VWO.
1:55:46
We got Sir Picasso with us occasionally.
1:55:48
We'll see what they're up to if they're watching the game somewhere or if they can tap
1:55:52
in with us.
1:55:53
I think it'll be fun, man.
1:55:55
We'll we'll open it up.
1:55:55
We'll spend a few hours together watching the game, commenting on it, and just kinda hanging
1:56:00
out and talking ball, having our own little digital Super Bowl party.
1:56:04
So we'll be making an event for that and kinda running some stuff out there.
1:56:08
Make sure you look for the link.
1:56:09
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1:56:16
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1:56:22
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