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WHO KNIFED 4 IDAHO STUDENTS DEAD? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Four beautiful young college students massacred, slaughtered, some sleeping in
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Speaker 1: their beds. We're talking about the slaughter University of Idaho students.
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Speaker 1: The case unsolved, the murder weapon not found, the killer
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Speaker 1: on the loose. I mean, see Grace, this is crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: and Serious X one eleven. First of all, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at the Today Show. The most
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Speaker 1: pressing facts are still a mystery, no murder weapon, no motive,
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Speaker 1: not even a suspect description. Devastating for the families of
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Speaker 1: Xana kernodle Ethan Chapin, Mattie Mogan, and Keiley Gonzalvis, prying
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Speaker 1: for justice in their grief. Turn yourself in. You owe
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Speaker 1: it to these mothers of these children, these fathers, families.
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Speaker 1: You're wrong yourself in. And so far, the police say
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Speaker 1: that they've received about five hundred tips, and they're asking
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Speaker 1: for even more tips from the public, from anybody that
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Speaker 1: knows where these victims were the night before they were killed.
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Speaker 1: But right now, the biggest lead seems to be that
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Speaker 1: large fixed blade weapon, possibly a combat night. Let me
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Speaker 1: introduce to you an all star panel to makes sense
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Speaker 1: of what we know right now, But first I want
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Speaker 1: to go to Audrey Conklin, investigative reporter with Fox and
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Speaker 1: News Digital. Audrey, thank you for being with us. This
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Speaker 1: of course went down on the edges of the University
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Speaker 1: of Idaho along Greek Row at off campus housing. What
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Speaker 1: do we know about the area. We know that everything
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Speaker 1: is very close by. All of the places where each
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Speaker 1: of the four student victims were the night before the
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Speaker 1: murders and the early morning one into are all very
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Speaker 1: close together. You could even walk to each of the places.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they did, because at least two of
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Speaker 1: them were driven home by a private party. But they're
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Speaker 1: all very quick together. You know that's significant. That puts
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Speaker 1: things in an entirely different light. Now, Jose's got Morgan
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Speaker 1: with me, Professor Forensics Jacksonville State University and author of
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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon Strava hit series Body
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Speaker 1: Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. If most people walk to
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Speaker 1: where they are going, Joe Scott that tells me to
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Speaker 1: kill are probably walked there too. Yeah. And you know
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Speaker 1: when you look at this place, Nancy, it's got very
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Speaker 1: specific points of access. There's a big bank of windows
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Speaker 1: in the back of this house on essentially a second level.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of built into the side of a hill.
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Speaker 1: Looks like a split level. It does, and you can
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Speaker 1: assess the place from a long ways away but still
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Speaker 1: have cover. I think that's significant, and you could only
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Speaker 1: do that on foot. You know, that's interesting that we're
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Speaker 1: I just wonder sometimes, Joe Scott, if cops do the
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Speaker 1: same thing I did as a prosecutor, like we're doing
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Speaker 1: right now, sitting around and discussing and talking about possibilities. Again,
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Speaker 1: when you look at this house, I'm looking at it
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Speaker 1: right now, it looks like a split level. There is
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Speaker 1: what would you say, huge timbers holding up what appears
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Speaker 1: to be a wraparound patio or a little porch that
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Speaker 1: goes around the back, which would be very easy to
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Speaker 1: get on. When you look at it, I'm looking at
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Speaker 1: the sliding glass doors. The father of one of the
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Speaker 1: victims stated that, And it's very apparent that there are
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Speaker 1: two points of entry. One is the front door, which
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Speaker 1: is only entered with a code. Got to know the
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Speaker 1: code to get in, a code like you would see
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Speaker 1: on an to a unit. You know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Where you punched in one two, three, four,
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Speaker 1: and the door will open. The other point of access
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Speaker 1: would be that sliding glass door, which for time immemorial
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Speaker 1: has been a sweet spot for burglars. They're really easy
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Speaker 1: to get into and a lot of people leave them
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Speaker 1: a lot because they're painting the rear end a lock.
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Speaker 1: Yeah they are, and sometimes, you know, particularly college kids,
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Speaker 1: you'll forget to do stuff like that. But can I
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Speaker 1: draw your attention back to that door that has the keypad,
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Speaker 1: if FoST can find a static picture that just that
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Speaker 1: standalone static photo. And if you look to the left,
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Speaker 1: there is a road, a tiny road that runs up
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Speaker 1: the hill. Now, yesterday they had the police out there
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Speaker 1: taking a look at tire tracks or burn marks essentially
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Speaker 1: on the road. Do you know there's a tree line
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Speaker 1: right there. You can park adjacent to that and walk
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Speaker 1: through the tree line and get access to that top level.
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Speaker 1: So it will provide cover to get to that second
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Speaker 1: floor that you're talking about that kind of has the balcony,
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Speaker 1: the decking area. It's kind of built into the ground.
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Speaker 1: It's real interesting the way the whole thing's construction said.
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Speaker 1: Burn marks, What do you mean by that, Well, it
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Speaker 1: looks like someone you can kind of see the skid
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Speaker 1: marks in the road, like somebody has burned rubber in
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Speaker 1: that area, scratched off. Yeah, they have, And I really
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Speaker 1: wonder if they went out there and took rubber samples
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Speaker 1: as well off of those tracks that were left behind.
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Speaker 1: But here's the problem. There is absolutely no control of
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Speaker 1: the crime scene. When they got the call, everybody was
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Speaker 1: looking around, and Joe, you would know this. It's really
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Speaker 1: hard to keep people, particularly people of rank, from going
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Speaker 1: up and looking and seeing the bodies and those sorts
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Speaker 1: of things, and so the crime scene has been contaminated
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Speaker 1: very beginning of this case. Guys, you're hearing Dale Carson,
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Speaker 1: high profile lawyer joining us out of Jacksonville, and I'm
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Speaker 1: just lawyer. This is why he's critical today. He's former FBI,
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Speaker 1: former lease officer and author. You can find him at
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Speaker 1: del Carson Law dot com, Audrey Joe Scott, Dell Carson
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Speaker 1: and also with us someone we lean on a lot,
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Speaker 1: doctor Jorry Cross, and psychologists joining us faculty Saint Leo University,
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Speaker 1: research consultant and author of Operation SSS. Guys, please jump
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Speaker 1: in whenever you have a thought like Dell just did,
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Speaker 1: and like Joe Scott brought up those rubber marks where
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Speaker 1: somebody scratched off near the home. Is that connected? Don't know?
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Speaker 1: Half must investigate. What are they doing right now? And
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Speaker 1: what have we learned? I want you to take a
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Speaker 1: listen to the county coroner, Kathy Mabbott. Most of them
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Speaker 1: had just like one that was so lethal stabund Yes,
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Speaker 1: can you describe what that one might have been? Fatal
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Speaker 1: ones were to the chess area or the upper body area?
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Speaker 1: Were there? And I only ask this because it sometimes
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Speaker 1: determines what kind of a crime. This was a crime
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Speaker 1: of passion, a random crime, fight, a struggle? Was there
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Speaker 1: were any of them slashed? Were any of their next cut?
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Speaker 1: Or were these all puncture ones? Well it was a
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Speaker 1: pretty large nine, so it's really hard to call them
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Speaker 1: puncture wounds. And they were definitely stabbings. And I mean
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Speaker 1: it has to be somebody that's pretty angry in order
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Speaker 1: to stab. For people to hearing our friends over at
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Speaker 1: News Nation just got morgan. I got a problem. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I got a lot of problems, but one of them
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Speaker 1: is that Kathy Mabbett, who I'm sure is a fine person,
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Speaker 1: is a registered nurse right for it, who has a
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Speaker 1: degree a BS and political science and a law degree
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Speaker 1: from the University of Idaho that she got in I
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Speaker 1: believe two thousand and six could have been two thousand
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Speaker 1: and one. Did you hear me? A registered nurse with
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Speaker 1: a law degree and a degree in political science. All
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Speaker 1: those things, each of themselves, are spectacular feats. Okay, really
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Speaker 1: hard to do all that, But we need a trained
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Speaker 1: medical examiner to look at the wounds, and also not
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Speaker 1: to disseminate information until it has been determined by a
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Speaker 1: medical doctor, and possibly not even then do I have
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Speaker 1: to say Delphi. Look, I want to know the information
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Speaker 1: just like everybody else, but this is not the time
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Speaker 1: to be releasing information about the wounds of the victims.
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Speaker 1: Because if the killer is watching TV, what's he going
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Speaker 1: to do right now? He's going to take that fixed
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Speaker 1: blade knife and get rid of it, is going to
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Speaker 1: clean it and get rid of it because so much
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Speaker 1: information is being leaked and information critical to the case,
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Speaker 1: and there's no central point of control where it. This
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Speaker 1: is what really struck me about her interview, and she
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Speaker 1: had given one prior to the one that we just
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Speaker 1: listened to, is that she made a statement before the
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Speaker 1: police ever made a statement. I mean an open statement
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Speaker 1: where they gave an interview no offense, but shut your piehole, lady,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, No, yeah, and so that's that's a bit different.
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Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of this goes and
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Speaker 1: I'm not disparaging the jurisdiction up there. I think a
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Speaker 1: lot of this goes to a lack of a lack
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Speaker 1: of experience that they that they might have would deal
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Speaker 1: with mass fatalities like this. And something you know, people
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Speaker 1: don't think this can happen in your town is and
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Speaker 1: it does. It truly does. Evidence here and it all
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Speaker 1: everything demonstrates that you have to be on the same
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Speaker 1: sheet of music, have had a point of control for
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Speaker 1: all information it's coming in, and it's called a command center.
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Speaker 1: You're right, Del Carson. One of the noticeable things is
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Speaker 1: when you do crime scenes like this, you've got to
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Speaker 1: cover everything to prevent the environment from despoiling it. I
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Speaker 1: haven't seen one covered area, particularly in the back of
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Speaker 1: the property, where it's likely this individual stood and surveyed
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Speaker 1: the house from perhaps a protected period of time. And
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Speaker 1: that's why the assaults were on the upper floor. Time
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, the assaults are on two floors.
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Speaker 1: We know that there were two bedrooms on each floor.
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Speaker 1: We know that two of the victims are on the
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Speaker 1: second floor, two of the victims are on the third floor,
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Speaker 1: and the other two roommates to survive we're on the
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Speaker 1: first floor, which could be considered you know, look at it,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, an above ground basement. It's a split level house.
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Speaker 1: You've got the entry point there on the bottom with
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Speaker 1: the key code. Then the back kind of is built
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Speaker 1: into the side of a little bill. You got to
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Speaker 1: look at this place to get it. So at first
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Speaker 1: I thought, wow, the two surviving roommates are on the
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Speaker 1: bottom floor, so the port patch of walk up three floors.
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Speaker 1: He could have very well entered through that sliding glass door,
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Speaker 1: which would have put him at an upper level. Yes, no,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Yes, you're absolutely right. I think he came
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Speaker 1: into the sliding glass door. The more I'm reasoning it through,
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Speaker 1: look at the house guarantee you came through that sliding
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Speaker 1: glass store, although a lot of people seemingly had the
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Speaker 1: code to that front door. Guys, take a listen now
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Speaker 1: to our cut forty our friensic k r E and
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Speaker 1: new details emerging. New details are emerging in the stabbing depths,
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Speaker 1: so for you Unversity of Idaho Students. Tonight, the Layta
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Speaker 1: County Corner says the four students were likely asleep, some
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Speaker 1: had defensive wounds in each victim was stabbed multiple times.
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Speaker 1: Authorities found no sign of sexual assault. Moscow Police say
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Speaker 1: at this point in the investigation, they do not believe
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Speaker 1: the two surviving roommates or the man seen standing near
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Speaker 1: a local food truck were involved in the murders. Police
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Speaker 1: also address rumors swirling online claiming the victims were gagged
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Speaker 1: and tied, saying those are not accurate and the identity
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Speaker 1: of the nine one one caller has not been released. Okay,
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Speaker 1: we do know, Audrey Conklin joining us I investigated. Reporter
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Speaker 1: with Fox News Digital, Audrey, we are learning more about
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Speaker 1: the person that call on nine one one. Now correct
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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, Auge, but I think that one
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Speaker 1: of the roommates that survived. To surviving roommate tried to
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Speaker 1: wake up one of the victims. The victim wouldn't wake up.
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Speaker 1: The surviving roommate calls a friend says, hey, I think
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Speaker 1: she's passed out. He or she is passed out. They
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Speaker 1: came over. They realized she's not passed out, she's dead.
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Speaker 1: They call nine one one, police get there and they
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Speaker 1: find the other three vic can that's my understanding. What
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Speaker 1: do you know, Audrey, I haven't heard about one of
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Speaker 1: the roommates trying to wake up one of the victims.
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Speaker 1: But what I can see happening, and this is speculative,
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Speaker 1: but maybe the roommates, who we now know lived on
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Speaker 1: the first floor of the house boma or heard something
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Speaker 1: that frightened them, you know, that morning, maybe without seeing
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Speaker 1: the victims themselves, maybe they saw blood, Maybe they saw
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Speaker 1: or heard something that was, you know, not unusual in
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Speaker 1: that household, so they called friends over to check out
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Speaker 1: the situation. Those friends may have seen a victim in
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Speaker 1: their bed not moving, which I think would make the
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Speaker 1: unconscious person report makes sense. And they called police from
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Speaker 1: one of the roommate's phone. That's right, because one of
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Speaker 1: the surviving roommate's cell phone was used to call nine
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Speaker 1: one one, but apparently it was not the surviving roommate.
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Speaker 1: Your construction of effects makes perfect sense, Audrey. Guys, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Kyle Simchek. Detectives say they've
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Speaker 1: received nearly five hundred tips, which are being processed, investigated,
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Speaker 1: and cleared. Thirty eight people who may have information about
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Speaker 1: the murders have been interviewed. The whereabouts of the killer
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Speaker 1: and the knife used are still unknown. Detectives sees the
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Speaker 1: contents of three dumpsters on King Road to look for evidence.
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Speaker 1: Police have also gone to local businesses to see if
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Speaker 1: anyone recently purchased a fixed blade knife. Anyone who saw
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Speaker 1: something suspicious, has video surveillance, or can provide relevant information
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Speaker 1: about the murders is asked to call the Moscow Police Department.
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Speaker 1: Jessica Morgan joining me, Professor Forensics Jacksonviall State University. A
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Speaker 1: fixed blade lot knife as opposed to france as a switchblade.
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Speaker 1: It's not fixed, immovable in the hilt, or a pen
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Speaker 1: knife that folds out. A fixed blade knife is certainly
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Speaker 1: going to be the weapon because it's more sturdy, and
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Speaker 1: we know that these are very deep stab wounds. Explain, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they're very very robust. I would imagine in their appearance
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Speaker 1: that means that the width of the knife, and you
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Speaker 1: know it had been mentioned earlier they use the term
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Speaker 1: puncture one. That's not a puncture one. This is going
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Speaker 1: to be a big open wound where the knife is
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Speaker 1: introduced into the body specifically, and I think one of
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Speaker 1: the reasons they're drawing this conclusion. I remember they keep
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Speaker 1: saying military style. I think that perhaps what happened there
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Speaker 1: is a hilt guard. That's that little bar that goes
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Speaker 1: across the handle that separates the blade from the handle
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Speaker 1: horizontally across the knife. Yeah, and so I think, and
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Speaker 1: most military style knives have those. We can see actually
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Speaker 1: a bruise called a hilt bruise lots of times when
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Speaker 1: this is driven into the body. That might be where
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Speaker 1: they're drawing that conclusion from. They've used the term kbar,
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Speaker 1: which is generally associated with Marine Corps a combat knife.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that for a fact, but it had
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Speaker 1: that name has been thrown around. Our marines have used
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Speaker 1: that since World War Two. I've heard that too to
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Speaker 1: doctor joy Cross and joining US psychologists and faculty Saint
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Speaker 1: Leo University also author doctor joy question, think about it.
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Speaker 1: This is between three and four in the morning, and apparently, Jackie,
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Speaker 1: I read that one of the victims was making calls
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Speaker 1: up until two fifty eight. Two fifty eight, did you
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Speaker 1: see that? Did you see that, Audrey, that one of
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Speaker 1: the victims is on the phone at two fifty eight,
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Speaker 1: Yet police believe that she was on the phone right
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Speaker 1: before the murders are estimated to have happened. Yeah, how
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Speaker 1: is she asleep two minutes later? Very curious timing, but
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Speaker 1: that's got to have been established by phone records or
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Speaker 1: someone that spoke it could look at their phone and go, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was two fifty eight. Also, we know that one
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Speaker 1: of the girls continually called an ex boyfriend Jack. They
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Speaker 1: shared custody of a dog. I guess is one way
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Speaker 1: to put it, And we may even maybe even reconciling
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Speaker 1: that said Jack has been ruled out by the family,
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Speaker 1: whether it's a floury of phone calls to the friend
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Speaker 1: Jack right before the murders. So the last calls at
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Speaker 1: two fifty eight, and they're placing the murders between three
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Speaker 1: and four a m. Two minutes later, Yet they say
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Speaker 1: the victims were in bed and likely asleep. To doctor
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Speaker 1: Jerry Crawsen joining us, the thinking of this perp to
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Speaker 1: go from floor to floor. If the murders were targeted,
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Speaker 1: why kill four? Wouldn't it likely be one of the
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Speaker 1: victims was targeted, Yes, it could be, but then the
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Speaker 1: others just become collateral like witnesses. But also you know,
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Speaker 1: with a personality a frenzy attack, you know, once they
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Speaker 1: start the killing, then it just you know, the deviancy,
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Speaker 1: it just produces that behavior to kill again. I'd be
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Speaker 1: real interested in knowing the sequence of who was killed
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Speaker 1: first or how the bodies were found. And you know,
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Speaker 1: I think you could pretty well determine if we knew that,
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Speaker 1: like who was killed, because Ethan the boy, the male,
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Speaker 1: seems like he would be one of the first to
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Speaker 1: be eliminated. He said that he was likely in the
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Speaker 1: same bedroom with a female, his girlfriend. Yeah, Ziah, so
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Speaker 1: let's think this through. Jell Carson just got Morgan jump in.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about this scenario, and it's really impossible to
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Speaker 1: determine based specifically on the bodies, which murder was first,
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Speaker 1: but other information could tell us that. But think about it.
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Speaker 1: The lights are out, you enter a house, you're going
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Speaker 1: to kill somebody. You have a specific target, and mind
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Speaker 1: you go into one room, it's not the target, but
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Speaker 1: you kill them anyway. And if you work it away
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Speaker 1: progressively and you can determine when you find the target,
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Speaker 1: the target's nighthing is going to be different. And one
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Speaker 1: of the things that you mentioned that's really peculiar to
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Speaker 1: me is that if someone calls and says somebody's unconscious
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Speaker 1: here that and they're dead. There's no way you can
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Speaker 1: stab somebody in the chest and really eviscerat them without
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Speaker 1: leaving a tremendous blood trail. So you don't call the
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Speaker 1: police and say, look, there's somebody unconscious, You say, there's
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Speaker 1: blood everywhere. Somebody's dead exactly. I'm drawn with that killings
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Speaker 1: were so instantaneous, which belies the argum I meant that
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Speaker 1: there are multiple sab woms. What about it, Joe Scott, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking there is an outside possibility that science could
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Speaker 1: have the answer here. And this is what I believe.
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Speaker 1: If there is, if they are careful in collecting their evidence,
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Speaker 1: the person who was the first to be attacked will
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Speaker 1: have the least amount of others DNA on them. And
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Speaker 1: what I mean by that is once that night, assuming
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Speaker 1: of course, that they're using only one instrument, once that
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Speaker 1: blade is introduced into that first person's body, they withdraw
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Speaker 1: that blade. Okay, they now move over to the next
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Speaker 1: person and then reintroduce that blade into the next victim's
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Speaker 1: body and so forth and so on. You have what's yeah,
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Speaker 1: you have what's referred to as co mingling of blood
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Speaker 1: and certainly biological material DNA. So the person, if they
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Speaker 1: work their trace evidence right at the scene, the person
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Speaker 1: that has the least the least amount of DNA from
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Speaker 1: someone else, there's a higher likelihood that person could be
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Speaker 1: the first victim. Nancy, guys, take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut forty three. This is Sarah Robinson along with family members.
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Speaker 1: He says, Zanna was in constant communication with her family
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Speaker 1: and nothing about that night seemed unusual. The door lost,
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Speaker 1: with the number of code every time you open it,
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Speaker 1: How you go back to the how you go around
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Speaker 1: the house and getting in the house because the number
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Speaker 1: of codes. So they either knew that or they just
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Speaker 1: kind of went around and founded and slid over. The
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Speaker 1: father struggling to understand how this could have happened. Why, Zannah,
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Speaker 1: we were just hanging out at home. Yeah, Sannah was
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend. The code on the front door, the sliding
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Speaker 1: glass door on the side of the building, affixed to
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Speaker 1: a little patio, a kind of a wrap around patio.
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Speaker 1: What's the point of entry? Because they're you will find fingerprints,
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Speaker 1: and I say absolutely you will because this type of
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Speaker 1: frenzied attack is not conducive to the mind of a
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Speaker 1: killer who would wear gloves and then conduct four frenzied attacks.
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Speaker 1: That is inconsistent. What do we know investigators are doing
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Speaker 1: right now? They are retracing the steps two of the
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Speaker 1: victims who are a sportspar and then a food truck.
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Speaker 1: Two of the victims had been to a fraternity party
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Speaker 1: at the Sigma Kai house and then came back to
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Speaker 1: the residents on King Road. Why because they are looking
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Speaker 1: for suspects. Take a listen to Amanda Rowley at KREM.
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Speaker 1: Investigators believe Madison and Kayley were at the Corner Club
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Speaker 1: on Saturday from ten at pm to one thirty am
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Speaker 1: Sunday morning. Then they were at the grub truck on
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Speaker 1: Main Street at one forty am five minutes later. The
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Speaker 1: maps says they returned to their home on King Road.
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Speaker 1: Investigators also believe Ethan and Xano were at a party
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Speaker 1: at Sigma Kai from eight to nine pm Saturday night,
23:09
Speaker 1: then returned to the King Road home at one forty
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Speaker 1: five am on Sunday. The hope is that someone might
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Speaker 1: remember being at or near these locations around the same
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Speaker 1: time and potentially saw something suspicious or relevant to the investigation.
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Speaker 1: Police are asking those people to call the tipline number
23:28
Speaker 1: or email that information. The tip line is two zero
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Speaker 1: eight eight eight three seven zero five four repeat two
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Speaker 1: zero eight eight eight three seven zero four Dale. Is
23:43
Speaker 1: that you, Jeff Fana? Go ahead? Yeah, Yeah, that's that's
23:45
Speaker 1: just a dead end street. Look, the individual who murdered
23:51
Speaker 1: these folks was laying in wait, backed up on the hill,
23:56
Speaker 1: came in through that sliding glass door and perpetrated the crimes.
24:01
Speaker 1: He has no association with other people, and you're likely
24:04
Speaker 1: to find that the individuals either living in the woods,
24:08
Speaker 1: like individuals in prior cases that that are not part
24:13
Speaker 1: of polite society. They're not part of our society, and
24:16
Speaker 1: you can see them. They're living homeless. They're different than us,
24:21
Speaker 1: and they feel alienated from us, and that's one of
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Speaker 1: the driving features that causes them to injure us, aside
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Speaker 1: from any other psychological problem. What do you make of that?
24:32
Speaker 1: To you, dot Jory Crossing, I agree with it, and
24:34
Speaker 1: I think this person is going to be like a
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Speaker 1: transient person with no real ties to that community. You know,
24:41
Speaker 1: in college towns. You know, they can blend in really
24:44
Speaker 1: easy with the students, you know, and the people that
24:49
Speaker 1: go unnoticed, being anonymous basically, and then just like they
24:54
Speaker 1: are saying, you know, if they get a fixation stalking
24:57
Speaker 1: or see a target and then they're gone, They're in
25:02
Speaker 1: and out. Okay, Joe Scott Morgan, how does that jive
25:05
Speaker 1: with police series and this was a targeted attack? Well, yeah,
25:08
Speaker 1: I think that there's a chance that this individual has
25:11
Speaker 1: been watching for a while. Again, I go back to
25:14
Speaker 1: this idea of the points of observation. If they have
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Speaker 1: been tracking these girls. Listen, it would have been the
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Speaker 1: perfect environment that night, if they had been watching them
25:23
Speaker 1: on any level, watching them go to parties. They're walking around,
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Speaker 1: remember when we saw that image at the food truck.
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Speaker 1: They're kind of jovial, laugh and cutting up. They'd been
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Speaker 1: out partying that night, and they were perfect targets at
25:37
Speaker 1: that moment time for somebody that was looking to strike.
25:40
Speaker 1: And again, brutally cold at night, this person feels comfortable
25:44
Speaker 1: moving around in that environment. You saw everybody was wearing hoodies,
25:47
Speaker 1: jackets and all that sort of thing. They would have
25:50
Speaker 1: to be comfortable in that environment walking around, so that
25:52
Speaker 1: might go to the point that they are transient, that
25:55
Speaker 1: they're not part of polite society. We are learning more
25:58
Speaker 1: and more about the timeline. That's the first thing you
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Speaker 1: do is trying to establish a timeline. Take her. Listen
26:05
Speaker 1: to our friend. Zerene Shaw, a sister of one of
26:08
Speaker 1: the four college students found murdered at an off campus
26:11
Speaker 1: house near the University of Idaho, revealing new clues. So
26:15
Speaker 1: I was able to get a pretty good timeline on
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Speaker 1: Kaylee and Mattie the night of from about ten fifteen
26:23
Speaker 1: until shortly before three am, Olivia Gonzalvez says she discovered
26:28
Speaker 1: at least six calls from her sister Kaylee's phone between
26:31
Speaker 1: two twenty six and two fifty two, made to a
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Speaker 1: boyfriend in the early morning of November thirteenth. Detectives now
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Speaker 1: saying these phone calls are a part of their investigation.
26:42
Speaker 1: The phone calls are critical because we know that Gonzalves
26:47
Speaker 1: was up, Zanna was up at two fifty two a m.
26:55
Speaker 1: Let me think that through two fifty two am. It
26:59
Speaker 1: was Kael, not Zana car Noodle. Kelly was up at
27:04
Speaker 1: two fifty two am on the phone. Yet Augie Coughlind
27:09
Speaker 1: they're starting the timeline of their murders at three am, right,
27:14
Speaker 1: So police have said that between three am and four
27:17
Speaker 1: am is when the murders occurred. So they could have
27:21
Speaker 1: been asleep, but yeah, phone activity shows that they were
27:25
Speaker 1: up and trying to contact people right before the murders occurs.
27:29
Speaker 1: It's very creepy to doctor Jerry Crawsen to know that
27:34
Speaker 1: one of the victims, Kelly, is on the phone at
27:38
Speaker 1: two fifty two am and the timeline says the murders
27:44
Speaker 1: at three am. Could someone have been watching and when
27:48
Speaker 1: the lights are turned off they enter the home. They
27:53
Speaker 1: could have already been in the home, okay, and waiting,
27:58
Speaker 1: you know, fling down, like hearing a conversation on the phone. Okay,
28:03
Speaker 1: let the phone get hung up. You know one thing
28:07
Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier about the weapon, and they were looking
28:10
Speaker 1: and checking at the stores to see somebody. I would
28:15
Speaker 1: think this individual, this weapon is really important to them.
28:18
Speaker 1: I don't think they just went out and bought it.
28:20
Speaker 1: I think they've had it for a while. This has
28:22
Speaker 1: been part of that identity, if you lack for a
28:26
Speaker 1: better psychological term, well, it is actually an identity every
28:31
Speaker 1: time that we go camping, when we run into other
28:35
Speaker 1: campers a lot, and it's usually men will have huge
28:39
Speaker 1: hunting knives and sheets attached to their belts the way
28:44
Speaker 1: people will attach like an iPhone or some other instrument
28:50
Speaker 1: or tool to their belts. These knives are attached to them,
28:55
Speaker 1: so that does speak to their identity. Yeah, and you
28:59
Speaker 1: know here in the oh everybody carries a knife. They
29:02
Speaker 1: got those clip on it. I don't know about that
29:03
Speaker 1: because I don't know a single soul that carries a
29:06
Speaker 1: knife other than the Scout troop leader, the man, not
29:11
Speaker 1: the woman. Okay, well, you guys go ahead and carrie
29:14
Speaker 1: an if that's your business, take a listen now to
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Speaker 1: Captain Roger Lanier with a Moscow police on the morning
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Speaker 1: of November thirteenth, at eleven fifty eight am. Nine one
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Speaker 1: one call was On the evening of November twelfth, Kaylee
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Speaker 1: Gonsalvez and Madison Wigan were at a local bar and
29:36
Speaker 1: were later at a food truck in downtown Moscow. They
29:41
Speaker 1: arrived home at approximately one forty five am. On the
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Speaker 1: morning of November thirteenth. Ethan Chapin and Zana Carnodle were
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Speaker 1: at the Sigma Kai House before also arriving home at
29:53
Speaker 1: approximately one forty five AM. Two surviving roommates were also
29:59
Speaker 1: out in the community, and they returned home at approximately
30:02
Speaker 1: one m and did not wake up until later that morning.
30:21
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, right now, cops are
30:26
Speaker 1: scouring the area for video surveillance. I'm talking about ring
30:32
Speaker 1: doorbell cameras, stop light cameras, business surveillance video such as
30:39
Speaker 1: at the corner bar where they were two of them
30:43
Speaker 1: were that night at the food trucks where we spot
30:48
Speaker 1: two of the victims at the food truck just before
30:51
Speaker 1: their murders. Was that udal jump in. Look, they're gonna
30:56
Speaker 1: find a sniper's hide up on the hill behind that house.
31:00
Speaker 1: That's where their evidence is going to be. This person
31:02
Speaker 1: has waited for them to come home. He didn't follow them.
31:07
Speaker 1: He wasn't watching them and following behind him in a
31:09
Speaker 1: car or on a BikeE He was waiting and that's
31:13
Speaker 1: where the first investigation should have been conducted. Candidly. Now,
31:18
Speaker 1: I taught serial killers for the Bureau for a number
31:20
Speaker 1: of years. Those people had the patience of job. They
31:24
Speaker 1: will wait and wait and wait until the opportunity is perfect.
31:29
Speaker 1: From their perspective, what we've got to worry about, is
31:32
Speaker 1: there's another pet that was killed and I handled a
31:34
Speaker 1: case or was involved in a case involving that sort
31:38
Speaker 1: of thing where the pets started going missing first, and
31:42
Speaker 1: then there was a homicide that was directly connected to
31:45
Speaker 1: the individual who was taking the pet hold on ag
31:47
Speaker 1: Conklin joining us from Fox News Digital. Has a connection
31:51
Speaker 1: been made in any way from a pet to the
31:55
Speaker 1: quadruple murder. No connections have been made yet between any
31:59
Speaker 1: kind of animal violence in the murders, but I'm sure
32:02
Speaker 1: that something police are looking at. What about this theory, Audrey?
32:06
Speaker 1: What about the theory that the purp came into the
32:10
Speaker 1: home while everyone was gone? Every single person was out
32:15
Speaker 1: of that home, All six were gone, the five roommates
32:20
Speaker 1: and the boyfriend Ethan all gone. When they come home
32:25
Speaker 1: and he's already in there and everybody starts settling down
32:30
Speaker 1: to sleep. I wonder if it happened like that, or
32:33
Speaker 1: Joe Scott did he enter after they were asleep through
32:38
Speaker 1: that sliding class door? What do you think? You know?
32:41
Speaker 1: First Blush, When I heard about this, I really had
32:45
Speaker 1: thought that this guy was possibly laying in wait inside
32:49
Speaker 1: the residence. I mean, he could be in there for
32:52
Speaker 1: any reason, looking for food, looking for money, and looking
32:55
Speaker 1: for something to steal, and then everybody starts coming home.
32:58
Speaker 1: He may have thought they were hey, yeah, And you know,
33:00
Speaker 1: it's like Dale was saying, is this is this individual
33:04
Speaker 1: sole focus in life, perhaps his target. He can sit
33:07
Speaker 1: there and he can sit there and wait and wait
33:09
Speaker 1: because he's totally fixed on these individuals as targets or
33:13
Speaker 1: maybe one of them that he's rode in on. And
33:16
Speaker 1: it would not surprise me if they were to find
33:18
Speaker 1: evidence within the house that he had been hiding somewhere
33:21
Speaker 1: sequest or somewhere in that house and waiting for them
33:24
Speaker 1: to come in. But we just we don't know. And
33:27
Speaker 1: given the fact that that there was, it seems at
33:32
Speaker 1: least that there may have been a lack of security
33:34
Speaker 1: at the scene when processing. And look, you have to
33:38
Speaker 1: say things are chaotic at the beginning with many times
33:41
Speaker 1: like this. But it's it's troubling to me. I hope
33:45
Speaker 1: they haven't missed something outside the house. The dog del
33:48
Speaker 1: Carson is talking about high profile lawyer right at Jackson,
33:52
Speaker 1: former fed with the FBI, A woman who lives near
33:56
Speaker 1: the quadruple murder there in Idaho about three miles as
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Speaker 1: her little mini Australian shepherd had literally been filayed a
34:06
Speaker 1: few weeks before the quadruple murder, making some people think
34:11
Speaker 1: that the two are connected. Back to this, take a
34:15
Speaker 1: listen to Chief James Fry, Detectives are looking to develop
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Speaker 1: any context content that would help us in this event.
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Speaker 1: Anyone who has observed any notable behavior, or has any
34:29
Speaker 1: video surveillance, or can provide relevant information about these murders,
34:35
Speaker 1: please call our tip line at two oh eight eight
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Speaker 1: eight three seven one eight zero, or you can email
34:43
Speaker 1: the tip line at and that is a tip line
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Speaker 1: at CI dot Moscow dot id dot us and more
34:53
Speaker 1: from Captain Roger Lanier. Listen. On the morning of November thirteenth,
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Speaker 1: at eleven fifty eight, nine one one call was placed
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Speaker 1: to the Witcom Despatch center reporting an unconscious person. The
35:08
Speaker 1: call originated from inside the residence and was made from
35:12
Speaker 1: the phone of one of the surviving roommates. Moscow Police
35:17
Speaker 1: Department officers responded and located four victims, two on the
35:22
Speaker 1: second floor and two on the third floor. We're getting
35:26
Speaker 1: a little clarification regarding who made the nine one one call.
35:29
Speaker 1: Take a listen again to Chief James Fry. Gotti shorts.
35:33
Speaker 1: NBC News just following up on the nine one one call,
35:35
Speaker 1: you said that you don't believe that's the killer. Can
35:38
Speaker 1: you conclusively rule out the person that called nine one
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Speaker 1: one from inside the home as a suspect in this case?
35:46
Speaker 1: Can you aueads just ask that one more time? Please? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the person that was inside the home that called nine
35:51
Speaker 1: one one, that was not one of the roommates, can
35:54
Speaker 1: you conclusively rule that person out as a suspect at
35:57
Speaker 1: this point, I don't think I said that it wasn't
35:59
Speaker 1: one of the room. I said that it was used
36:01
Speaker 1: with the roommate's phone. I believe somebody asked if that
36:05
Speaker 1: wasn't the killer, and you say, no, no, that's correct.
36:10
Speaker 1: Respond there was other friends that had arrived at the location.
36:15
Speaker 1: So that goes back to what Audrey Coughlin from Fast
36:18
Speaker 1: New Digital was telling us that one of the roommates
36:23
Speaker 1: apparently couldn't wake up a victim. Maybe she just called
36:27
Speaker 1: her through the door, I don't know, and then she
36:31
Speaker 1: the surviving roommate, called friends over. The friends come over,
36:36
Speaker 1: one of them uses roommates phone to call nine one one.
36:40
Speaker 1: There's a lot that's been made about who called nine
36:42
Speaker 1: one one. It's a friend of the surviving roommate and
36:46
Speaker 1: they have been ruled out as suspects along with the
36:50
Speaker 1: surviving roommates. Here's more from Captain Rogers. Lanier investigators have
36:55
Speaker 1: determined to two areas of interest within the city and
36:59
Speaker 1: have provided maps which are on our Facebook page and
37:04
Speaker 1: on our website, and these are areas that they have
37:09
Speaker 1: canvassed for additional surveillance video and tips, and have contacted
37:15
Speaker 1: several residents in the areas. The areas are generally south
37:19
Speaker 1: of Taylor Avenue to Paulus River Drive in west of
37:24
Speaker 1: Highway ninety five. Detectives have also canvassed several other neighborhoods
37:30
Speaker 1: looking for evidence, looking for additional surveillance video, and contacting
37:36
Speaker 1: residents and speaking to them to see if they may
37:39
Speaker 1: have heard or seen something. Dude, you just got Morgan.
37:43
Speaker 1: I think that what the police need to be doing
37:45
Speaker 1: right now. And I've got it narrowed down to four
37:50
Speaker 1: or five things. One looking for the suspects and retracing.
37:55
Speaker 1: That would include Corner Claw where gone Salvas went, then
37:59
Speaker 1: the grub truck and of course a Sigma Kai house
38:03
Speaker 1: to look at all the rain cams, the doorbell cams,
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Speaker 1: a surveillance video, the DNA. There's no way that this
38:12
Speaker 1: scene could have played out the way it did without
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Speaker 1: fiber fingerprints, DNA hair and they're going to have to
38:23
Speaker 1: use ancestral DNA lt Y because I believe that the
38:27
Speaker 1: purp may not be in codis or aphis. They may
38:31
Speaker 1: get a fingerprint or DNA at the scene, but then
38:33
Speaker 1: I have anything to match it too, explain. Yeah, you know,
38:37
Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I don't know that I
38:39
Speaker 1: agree relative to fingerprints. I think that this person probably
38:43
Speaker 1: has been an offender at some point in time, possible
38:46
Speaker 1: if they can recover a late if they can recover
38:49
Speaker 1: a latent print at that scene. And trust me, this
38:53
Speaker 1: is an evidence rich environment. This place would have been
38:55
Speaker 1: bathed in blood, Nancy. He's going to transfer a lot
38:58
Speaker 1: of stuff, and he can total potentially have left bloody
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Speaker 1: fingerprints behind if he's not wearing clothes. And it's like
39:05
Speaker 1: you said at the open, I don't know that this
39:07
Speaker 1: guy is sophisticated enough to have shown up with gloves. No,
39:12
Speaker 1: probably has a real, real desire to run his hands
39:15
Speaker 1: over the surfaces, I would imagine, so he's gonna leave
39:19
Speaker 1: something of himself behind. Absolutely, somewhere out there are bloody clothes,
39:24
Speaker 1: bloody shoes. Yeah, one more thing I have to emphasize.
39:28
Speaker 1: As feverish as this was, Nancy, there is a high
39:31
Speaker 1: probability that this monster cut himself in these. He may
39:36
Speaker 1: have left his DNA behind, commingled with the victim's DNA's word,
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Speaker 1: we wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace comes choice, signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend.