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Episode 60: All the Ways We Believe Leia is Like Anakin and Padme · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello there, it's time for most things Kenobi.
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I prefer all things Kenobi, but I suppose that's not the Jedi
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way. Hi everyone, welcome to another
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episode of most things Kenobi. A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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and all things. Star Wars.
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I'm your host Lauren. And I'm your host Leanne and
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this week, we are going with something that our patrons chose
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on patreon, how Leia Organa is like her parents Padme and
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Anakin this was by popular demand.
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We did a little poll on our patreon and 100% of the people
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who voted wanted us to talk about.
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Leia will talk about Luke at some point in the future, maybe
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even next episode but everyone is still feeling their fields
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from the Kenobi's see. Is, and they want more Leia.
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Yes. And for our 60th episode.
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This one is dedicated to our patrons who chose this topic.
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All of our patrons have a say regularly.
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This is the first time, but regularly will have a say in the
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content of the podcast at times. So, thank you for an amazing
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topic choice because I have absolutely no problem talking
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about how little Leia and big Leia all the Laius.
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Are like her parents which we got that clip.
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We got the snippet. It was so sweet.
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When Kenobi, went down on her eye level, and told her about
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her parents and I think it sparked a need for more because
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yeah, he was painfully accurate. It was painful because of the So
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just the Bittersweet tone of his voice and when they started
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playing Leia's theme underneath and I got is what I just lost my
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shit. That music is beautiful anyway
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that theme is beautiful. It's one of my favorite Star
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Wars themes. It gets me every time and I've
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got to know if there is any. Raise your hands out there?
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If every time you hear Leia's theme, you get a little bit
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choked up because Do hands up. Raise your hand.
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Yeah. We're both hands up every time
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that yes, that one. It's so, it's beautiful.
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But like also, heartbreaking. It's a little Melancholy at the
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same time it just like it's, it's just beautiful.
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Yes, anyway, now I have chills again.
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This, I'm excited to talk about this.
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This is like there are obvious things and then less obvious
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things to me that that I'm I was actually very pleased and
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shocked too surprised to discover as I was researching,
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God, can you tell? I'm tired.
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I'm already like inverting my sentences.
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It's all good. It's been a long week.
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You sure has for both of us. Holy shit.
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This is why we have servers it, sustains.
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Yes, it does. It really does gives and our
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listeners. My God.
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Yeah, we need this. We all need this know you do,
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but this is, this is one of my favorite topics talking about
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how the Skywalker twins are like their parents specifically.
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Now that we have so much more On the character of Leia, man.
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It just kind of opened it up even further and Vivian's,
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portrayal of Leo was spot-on. So, I would say that we have a
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very nice continuous, fluid growth pattern here, happening
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from her little character, and her younger self, I should say,
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to her more adult self that we know much more about.
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So I have a question to kick this off.
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Awesome. Do you think Leia is more like
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her mother or her father and I guess we're going to get into
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it? Yeah but just before we do, do
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you have an initial Feeling on that.
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I had an easier time coming up with similarities with Anakin
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honestly. Yes, she has a lot in common
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with pad mate. And maybe I'm a little blind to
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Padme because I find her frustrating but I you find the
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actress frustrated. Yeah.
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And like the character is very frustrating to me in the movies
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and not in Clone Wars but like, in the movies.
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Oh I agree. Fiery furnace.
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Ed, but yeah, I definitely see a lot of Anakin in Leia.
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And like in many ways, not just in the most obvious sense.
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So yeah, that's what I would say.
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What about you? Oh, same.
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Same, I've always felt and while this episode isn't about Luke,
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I've always felt that Leia was more of a small mini me of
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Anakin and had so many more characteristics of Anakin in
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her, the good ones. Mmm.
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So sometimes the ones that are a little off-putting as well.
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I mean, Leia is very strong in her presentation and so is an
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again, you know? But I always, I also always felt
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that underrepresented in the character of Luke Skywalker and
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underappreciated is His connection to his mother.
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Yeah, because I think the most obvious thing is well, lay it
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turns into a senator and a leader and a you know, an
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organizer and a just a general you know.
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Right. And it's that at its most
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obvious level is very pad me. Yeah.
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But it's how she leads it's how she gets people rallies the
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troops, you know, it's a very Anakin, you know, figure the
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Clone Wars where he could literally level.
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With any one of those clones and they all respected him.
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Yeah, I totally agree. It's yes padme's.
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Obvious connection is the political thing.
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I mean they had the will to bring people together.
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Yes. You know the, yeah, the which I
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keep keep thinking, Luke but um, Luke's tip more tender in that
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manner. Hmm, I think Padme I'm sorry
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this is going to keep happening so just expect it throughout the
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episode has worse than my Mother who was like Kelly.
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Matt know what's your name? Lee?
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Anne it was my cousins, but she went through all the cousins,
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you know, because she got to my name anyway.
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I think that Leia has like a rough.
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A more Brash way about her that? Yes, which is very Anakin.
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Yeah. Padma was very polished she was
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and but, yeah, I think that Anakin was very I actually wrote
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Brash specifically, oh, she's bold and she's Brash in the way.
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The Anakin is and like walks right up to a person, takes no
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shit from them and says, like, I could smell your foul stench
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when I was brought on board, which is yes, super vibing in
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the way Anakin would like give shit to Dooku about being an old
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man or like talk shit about Grievous being shorter.
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Yes. Shorter.
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That there's always that comparison because there is like
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a head tilt that's in the picture of Carrie Fisher as Leia
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from Hope sassing, I believe is Darth Vader, which is ironic and
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then there's the picture of Anakin sassing Grievous in the
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same manner. And I'm telling you, they even
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have the same nose. You ever notice that Hayden and
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Carrie Fisher have the same nose like it's really, you know, I
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know it's they're not each other's relations.
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Yeah, they're not even there's no connection there, but it's
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just cute to see, you know, Because Mark Hamill has the
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cleft chin that that Hayden has. So it's you know I pay attention
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to those things. It makes it more real for me.
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But yeah we saw in the Kenobi series that lady just walked
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right up and made up a story and fell right in with it was like
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come on Obi-Wan like yes. I mean how many times do we see?
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And I can do that in the Clone Wars like must have been such a
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moment for everyone to be like oh God this is happening again.
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They're all the same all the time.
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I can't escape them but he says it lovingly, right?
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Because he's actually he literally fell in love with that
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little girl. So yeah.
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It's oh God. How many weeks did ban in my
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heart? My heart is still.
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I know, I miss it. I miss it bad.
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Another show of hands out there who misses it.
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Okay. Both of us.
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What? Answer please give us more but
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she's also kind of Ruthless the way.
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A Anakin / Vayner my. Yes.
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Oh, and I love that about her. It's funny because when it's
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Anakin, it's kind of like, oh, he's treading a line there that
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he might go too far with when it's Leia.
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You never get that sense. You always feel like she's
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Justified kind of like I love the moment where she's just
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gonna let Chuy strangle and oh, she's oh, we don't need your
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help, do we? I was just like, I just love
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this. You just say, And there is just
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like, go ahead chewy, I'll just watch.
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Yeah, it's fine. I approve, go for it.
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It's a great. It's just like, she doesn't
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really second-guess herself, you know.
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And I know I see that a lot in Anakin as well, you know, it's
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like he also can't be ruthless, especially if like, there's a
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job that needs to be done. He doesn't second-guess himself.
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He just does what needs to be done.
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Especially you see that in Clone Wars a lot and I I thought that
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was. If it's an interesting line to
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try to because the other thing that I saw that they really have
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in common is that they both change their path to save a
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loved one. Mmm-hmm like, absolutely.
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That's a good point. Yeah, because like Leia is
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training with Luke to be a Jedi and then she sees the death of
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her son and decides that she doesn't want to keep going
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forward on this path of this is where it's going to lead, and
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Anakin sees the death of his wife.
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Also decides to change course to save her and it doesn't save
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either of them. That is a beautiful Point.
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Beautiful. In the sense that it is Star
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Wars beautiful as in painful. Yeah.
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And it's done for different purposes.
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Like they have different. Like, I don't believe that Leia
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trying to save Ben is selfish. I think it's to try and protect
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someone. She loves but not because like
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Anakin's was like Session where he couldn't bear to live when
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house Padme. Yes.
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Whereas I think it's any mother wouldn't want.
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You know, it's like a mother's intuition.
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Yeah, exactly. Save Your Child.
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So I think that the root is obviously the same that they are
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worried for the well-being of their loved one.
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But like they come at it from different sides, but they still
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get the same result. Mhm.
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So I thought that was kind of heartbreaking and interesting
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for sure. Fuck you Star Wars.
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I never looked at that that way and you use some that, uh,
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pretty damn. Well, yeah, that's that's a good
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one. It's a shame too.
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Because of the amount of loss that just, I mean, both of them
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have experienced insane amounts of loss.
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Yes. Truly.
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They both lost their parents. Yeah.
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Leia lost her parents, because of her Father, which Which she
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didn't know at the time. Her birth.
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Father. Like not.
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Yeah, true. But it's interesting because
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Anakin lost his mother. He didn't have a father but
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like, you know, he couldn't save his mother.
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It's just they both carry this pain but they just move forward,
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you know? Hmm, we never see Leia morn
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alderon, really? She never gets a chance to know
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I believe in headcanon time in in Personal time away from
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everyone. She has private moments.
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She has to she was last year, not great for films, or
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entertainment, perhaps, and, but I do believe that she isn't so
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cold as to not mourn. You know what I mean?
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Yes, yeah, I agree with you. But conversely speaking Padme
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had an entire family sister mother father, you could say
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that her handmaidens and the queens that came before her all
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part of a succession of family members, if you will at both
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adopted and biological. So she had a great support
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system and didn't necessarily experience the kind of loss that
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Anakin did or that Leia eventually did.
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But I think it taught Padme really Great treats in like to
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nurture the ones around you. So for example, a Sokka, right?
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Yeah. Padme is The Unofficial mother
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of Ahsoka Anakin is The Unofficial father of Ahsoka in
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my head, Canon world, but they both loved her and nurtured her,
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and it's natural for pad made to nurture.
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And I think that we see that with Leia, and Ray should no
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reason to take rayon, but she believed in her and saw
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something in her and had enough nerve, you know, She nurtured
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that and believed in her. And I I like the parallel that I
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believe that's a lot of padmé because, you know, there's the,
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the trouble with the Jedi, right Anakin loved Ahsoka, baby,
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sister, you know, but they couldn't ever just naturally
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show it. But Padme was able to show
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comfort and love to whoever she needed to, you know, whoever was
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in need but Ahsoka, especially so.
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I like the comparison that Leia had that in her, she nurtured
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people in the ranks such as po, I mean, she lay a new pose
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mother. And so when Paul lost his
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parents, she nurtured Po and to being the best leader that he
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was. But on the flip side, I think
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she truly loved Ray and saw something really special in her
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obviously. Yeah, I agree when she has the
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natural kindness. That is similar to Padme.
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You know, how Padme found Anakin in the the once they had left
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here to win and it was freezing cold and she put her hair bun
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him and she way it does the same thing in the sense that she She
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Comforts Lucas Luke right after Obi One dies even though now we
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see that she was also so much. I love God and it kind of
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strikes because you forget this because you see po and Finn
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arrived at the base and they're talking to Leia when Leia.
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First sees Ray come off the ship after Han is did they've never
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met and the very first thing they do is hug each other.
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Yeah and there's tears. Yeah they have a shared
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connection right off The bad and maybe you can feel that through
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the forest. Like, you know, Leo never got
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rid of her ability with the for, she just chose not to utilize
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it. So I do think that they felt
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each other. They felt that loss.
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Yeah, you know Ray really cared about hon.
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Yeah. In the short period that they
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knew each other. Well that's just how good hanyu
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is, right? Everybody just well, they just
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told a connected, right? They have that great like the
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way she was talking about bypassing the compressor and he
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was just looking at. Who the hell are you?
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Yeah. How can I hire her?
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How can I make her my eyes? It's like, how could she, how
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could she fly this? What I'm gone and she ended up
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doing it. But like, you know, it's if
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there's I love that hug for so many reasons, I have what I
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remember, I saw that in the theater and I just loved that
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moment because it was solea. Yeah, and it's so Padme.
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Yes. Yeah.
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It's like they, they're just naturally warm and kind.
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That's yeah, you know. And they also are just like
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Padme and Leia are also. So, willing to do the right
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thing, despite like, the personal cost to them.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You know, yeah, they don't even think twice.
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I mean, it's it's service before self.
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Hmm. Yeah, and it's a great leader.
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They're great leaders boy, wouldn't it be nice to have
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someone who's in real life? Geez man I just got back from a
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whole class teaching us how to lead.
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Yeah, I mean it's as a servant, it is a skill, right?
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It is it is it had? It's a learned skill.
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Yes, not everyone is born that way.
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And It just what? Everyone has the potential.
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Yeah. And it's a choice.
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It's an absolute Choice. Yes.
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But also you don't see either Padme or Leia.
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Guilting, people who don't want to make that personal sacrifice.
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It's like they might be willing to help the Rebellion, or help
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the senate, or whatever, but not at the cost of their own
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personal family and but you never see them.
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Like casting shade for people who have that opinion
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necessarily you know it's like right, you know, and they're so
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diplomatic do. They're like willing to hear
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other points of view, like when Padme goes to C, is it Mina
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bonteri or something, huh? Oh yeah, yeah, yes, yes, because
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Lex right is the sun. Yes, yeah I am.
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No, I'm pretty sure I'm mispronouncing the last name.
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I'm In his off, the top of my head, but like bonteri Venturi.
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Yeah, that's it. So, like, you know, she goes to
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hear their other point of view, because she's feeling the loss
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of life is just the toll is too large.
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It's time to like, at least hear the opposition's point of view
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and understand them, but I think Leia has that skill as well.
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Well, she also shares it in, she serves the exact same skill from
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Anakin in a much different manner of like, there's a job to
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be done, and I will tackle it, and we must do this.
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And, like, in the Clone Wars, specifically Anakin is very
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like, okay, I see a and we need to get to be And I'm going to do
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whatever it takes to get to be, but Obi-Wan's constantly, trying
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to slow him down. Mmm, like think a little bit.
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We gotta, we gotta worry about this and we got to worry about
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that and what might happen with this, but lay, it is also like
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we got to get from A, to B. Yeah, and I think she does
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methodically think through it, but I think she may have a
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tendency to not. Because if there's a job to be
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tackled. I mean, look at her in the
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Kenobi series, granted, she's much younger.
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And hasn't experienced doesn't have the experience, but she
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needs. Okay, we have a We have a
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problem, let's storm in take care of it and get to the end
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result type of deal you know I feel like she probably learned
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more like to be more methodical like after the Kenobi series,
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you definitely sit. I think Luke is more likely to
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be the one until Return of the Jedi.
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When he's like fully matured into a very good eye, he's more
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likely to go like barreling in without really giving it any
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thought. Whereas by the time you see The
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sequel Trilogy especially when you see it.
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Like Poe Leia is trying to like stop Po from being that way.
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It's like I have a place to she's, like Kenobi to, she is.
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She is just so much, like, Obi-Wan actually in so many
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ways. And now we kind of like
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understand why and it's like, she's like, I have a plan.
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Would you just shut up? And let me do my thing like I've
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thought it out step acting rashly, you know, and I that
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comes With a learned experience, you got to go through trial and
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error to see like, okay, this doesn't work.
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I got a slow down. Anakin never got to that point.
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Yeah, you know, due to circumstance here, but loss of
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Limbs and fire and lava, all the, all the things, all of the
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things that happened, I think perhaps she saw a little bit of
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herself and Po, and was just like, I'm trying to make you a
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leader, but you gotta slow down and breathe, you know what I
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mean? Yeah, maybe a little high and
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maybe a little Luke in there as well.
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Maybe I'll maybe all three. I've seen this shit before.
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I'm surrounded by men in my life, who don't slow the hell
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down. I must be the one to slow down
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and look fabulous while I do it. Oh, that is another thing.
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Can we? We have to talk about it.
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Yeah, Leia is Brash like Said she is powerful.
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She is caring. She is a go-getter and sassy as
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fuck. Right?
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Right in your face. Hmm.
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Goddamn it does she pull it off with the hair and the clothes
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and the Pomp and that is so Padme and now that we've seen
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Brea and bail. Yes.
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Hmm. I mean, there isn't a hair out
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of place even when she's running and going through the ice cave,
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trying to get out of Hoth, you know, not a hair out of place.
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Nope, which is also very Kenobi. Oh, and that ridicu.
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Damn, right, you damn right, yes, always true.
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Perfectly put together no matter what is going on, and I think of
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parents is very important. Yes, you can wear a poncho and
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be fabulous at the same time. Absolutely.
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How many examples have we seen of the Poncho looking fabulous?
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Too? Many many.
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Although I have a fabulous Poncho, do you?
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It's wolf for the winter and I never wear it.
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Oh well, you live in the mountains.
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You need such a thing I do. I try and look fabulous, but you
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know what? I just need to wear fleece, you
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know, necessity over looking good.
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I could never be a Padme, never or a layout for that matter.
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If you could get Leia's, hot outfit.
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You'd be great. I Aspire, right?
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It's like one of the best costumes and all of Star Wars
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the best. I just love it.
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I think people are pretty much always in love with Hoth Leia
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because she has sole is everything.
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Yes, she's leading. She's the last one to leave.
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Like she refuses to go when she needs to, she's making out in
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the hallways. She's fighting in the hallways.
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This is passionately. I had her fine.
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She does it in all white, What a symbol, right?
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I mean she is cold as ice as you could say around her, but then I
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like warm in the fleece and the Quilted pants.
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Yes. I love it.
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I love it, too. That's the other thing.
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Her use of a blaster. And I mean, her lightsaber
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handling on par with anything Anakin's ever done.
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Yeah, I mean to the point where Luke looks stunned because he
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just got bested, you fucking love that shit.
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But I mean, I'm pretty sure, Leia has no problem.
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Just taking out people when they need to a very Anakin trait,
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also very Padme. I just did Padma never hesitated
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to use her Blaster. Know she did and they And have
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like a lot of similarities if I kind of skimmed through the, I
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looked up like best of padmé videos and she's always just
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like shooting the shit out of people.
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Exactly like Leia. Like they have no problem with a
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blaster. They have no problem handling
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themselves. They have no problem keeping
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like a battle debrief before or briefing.
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I get, I could always get confused between briefing and
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debrief, I'm sure she gave debriefs, as well as she did.
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Both. Yeah, but I love like I love Pat
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or anak. See it's a thing.
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Yeah, I love Leia and Hoth, which is giving the whole speech
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about the ion cannon and you know, good luck.
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And then there's a similar speech by padmé and Phantom
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Menace. When they're talking about
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breaking into the palace or a truce is like they're just not
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phased by action, you know they don't know, none of them.
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Not any of these Skywalker's shy away from a fight ever, there
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are a lot braver Or than I am, that's for sure.
25:15
Oh, don't say that. Well, I'd run, you're on your
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own Pals. Ha ha ha.
25:24
Well, I hate to admit it. But if I had a lightsaber and
25:27
and Obi-Wan was standing there arguing with his girlfriend, I
25:29
would just stabbed the man in the back if I was trained, that
25:32
might be a different story, but the thing, that's what range
25:35
right now. I got nothing coward.
25:40
For those who don't know, I'm referencing a scene in Cologne
25:43
Cause I'm not just going around stabbing people in the back.
25:45
It's just one of those boys teams Temptation, right?
25:48
Yes, thank you. Yes.
25:49
And it can just ends the whole thing by stabbing the do in the
25:52
back. It's like what he wasn't, what
25:54
you wanted. No he wasn't wrong, but he's
25:57
gonna blow up the ship. Just love Obi-Wan's.
26:02
Just like Anakin and it's like he just killed a guy.
26:07
That's your reaction. Looks like he's some stuff.
26:11
He's seen it a thousand times. Times before.
26:14
But do you have to do it in front of his girlfriend?
26:16
His pacifist girlfriend's think you're making me look good.
26:24
Well also Leah is very stubborn just like Pat solutely like
26:31
Anakin just like Luke, these are family trades for sure.
26:34
And I love I love her stubbornness I do.
26:37
I do to see it in myself. I loved the Kenobi called her
26:40
out on it too and she's like, I'm not stubborn.
26:43
He's like, yes, you are. Yes, you are.
26:47
I think she learns a little bit more about it but she still
26:50
holds onto a because you can't cancel out who you really are.
26:53
Yeah. You know what I mean?
26:54
You can just curve it a little. Yeah, but her stubbornness, I
26:58
believe is quite on display throughout the original trilogy
27:01
and I love it. I do too.
27:04
She has so many good lines. The walking carpet is possibly
27:08
my favorite line. Well, the impatience thing.
27:11
Yeah, is also a very can't rate. Yes.
27:15
Yes, Anakin can't help it. It's also like a Luke thing to
27:20
sew and self. Rescuing is also a very Anakin
27:25
thing. Very resourceful.
27:28
Yes. Yeah.
27:29
A good Under Pressure. Mmm.
27:31
Excellent. Under Pressure.
27:32
I would say yeah. God I love Leah just so fucking
27:37
amazing. She's fucking great.
27:39
I there's a reason why she's the reason I got into Star Wars.
27:44
Yeah there's something so special about her as a young
27:49
person. I mean I was probably on the
27:52
cusp of my teenage years. I was just entering High School.
27:54
I think when I first watched the VHS has hmm.
27:57
The of the original trilogy for the first time and I said, there
28:00
is something different about this character, and I can't look
28:03
away. And I see parts of myself.
28:05
Even as a young, like a young child, young teenager young.
28:09
Adult that just I just was like, wow.
28:12
I love her. I love her.
28:15
Yeah, she's so, I would follow this woman.
28:19
Yes, I were to, and like that. I love that.
28:22
She is not flat. She's not know.
28:26
She's so, like, she's got so many layers because this is
28:30
something I really relate to also that like Leia can either
28:35
be Be in a beautiful gown with her hair up and braids and still
28:40
like not lose who she is but still like she has.
28:43
Yeah, the ability to be soft and hard, you know.
28:47
She can also be like dress up like a bounty hunter carrying a
28:51
thermal detonator blasting the shit out of people.
28:53
It's like she's not, she's not a stereotype and assert in most
28:59
senses there's some like sex pot stereotyping going on that I
29:03
find irritating but Very 1970s. So it was a part.
29:08
Yeah, we're not excusing. It.
29:10
It's just we understand that. That's yeah, it's very combine
29:12
of. Yeah, yeah, well George Lucas
29:15
to. But yeah, right, I can't help it
29:19
even. Yes Sokka is in a tube top for
29:22
god sakes. Why question questionable to
29:25
this day, but it's just think of the episode power through it.
29:33
Yep. but on that note, and you may have been getting to this
29:41
Often in society, it's women can't be both.
29:45
It's one of the other, right? Never soft and hard at the same
29:49
time, and I think that's a very limiting and Antiquated thought.
29:55
Yeah, I totally agree and it's just not realistic, like, people
29:59
have so many layers. So many sides, we can be girly.
30:03
And like people called me a tomboy when I was a kid.
30:06
I don't know if that phrase is used anymore nowadays, but
30:09
that's what I was called as a kid.
30:10
Anyway and it's like there is literally a picture of me
30:14
wearing. Did you ever have fake dress-up
30:16
clothes? You know, you could buy like
30:18
absolute dress-up clothes? I like Toys R Us.
30:20
Yeah. Yeah.
30:21
There's a picture of me wearing a pink evening gown with a
30:26
Chicago Cubs baseball jersey underneath it.
30:30
I love this. Please post this on patreon, I
30:33
gotta give it to me because I've never seen this photo and I need
30:37
to see it. It is like all of me wrapping
30:40
Wrapped up in one photo. It's like all the things I was
30:43
sporty, I was girly. I was a tomboy who wanted to
30:46
like, get dirty and I also wanted to like, have my nails
30:49
painted, you know, it's just like, it's okay, you see that
30:53
reflection? You see it in Leia and as you
30:57
said, oh, okay, I'm not a mutant.
31:00
Look at how she put on the boots, the Blaster, the gloves,
31:05
she, you know, at the very end, the Kenobi series, she put on
31:08
her more. Dylan items.
31:12
If you will, if we're if we're prevent bullying.
31:15
Yeah, we're gonna go with like old-fashioned labels.
31:19
Yeah. But she's the perfect mix.
31:23
She walked right out there. She had her hair done, she had
31:25
her chest, using the power pose, you know, but she had her
31:30
Blaster and her boots in the gloves and Kenobi gave her some
31:33
of those items. Hmm.
31:34
And she never lost that her entire life.
31:36
And I just the way that they handled her, Younger self in the
31:41
show is a plus and I'm so thankful we got it and I think
31:47
it's such an important message at the end there with Bria to
31:50
because yes went yeah I know the scene.
31:54
Yeah. Where we've talked about before
31:56
where she's like, is that a blaster?
31:58
I love it and it's like, it's not about masculine feminine.
32:01
It's about like just being allowed to be yourself.
32:04
Exactly, yeah, whatever that is. Who doesn't want that?
32:07
Exactly, who does not want that. From anyone just to be
32:12
themselves. No matter what?
32:14
Yeah, I love it. Bria is amazing.
32:17
Yeah. And it's like the thing that I
32:18
think we all yearn for on some level what like one way or
32:23
another. And so to see at least this
32:25
character get that freedom finally because we saw her
32:28
fighting for it at the beginning of the show and she finally gets
32:32
that acceptance and yeah, that that hit deep.
32:36
I don't know. It was just a really beautiful
32:38
moment. Okay.
32:39
So at the end, End of the Kenobi series ob1 like you said come
32:43
stand eye level with her and he tells her that she is wise
32:47
Discerning and kind-hearted like her mother.
32:51
Yes. And then he says that she is
32:53
passionate fearless and forthright like her father And I
32:59
love it to pick three words to describe each.
33:03
Those are the perfect three words honestly.
33:05
Yes. And they're all Like the kindest
33:09
most positive spin on that because forthright could be a
33:13
negative thing. It's like Anakin's likeliness to
33:18
say something that maybe isn't appropriate in mixed company or
33:22
something like that. But it really is ultimately it's
33:27
a very positive thing to be so honest, you know, you know, like
33:31
some people don't like honesty, it makes them uncomfortable but
33:33
if you're the kind of person who Like thrives with that.
33:37
Like, it's a really rare thing to have a person be like that
33:40
straightforward with you like Leia, she just like told
33:43
everyone. What was on her mind?
33:45
No matter if she thought he was a grandpa or what?
33:48
Yes, yes, exactly. She's so cute.
33:53
Oh my God, and I think it would be it would be so hard to be
33:58
Obi-Wan in those moments thinking back to those two
34:01
special people in his life that he knew and literally grew up
34:04
with. I mean, he He matured at the
34:09
same rate that Padme did and Anakin did but all at different
34:13
ages, right? They all had to mature after the
34:15
death of Qui-Gon. Yeah.
34:16
The beginning of this, this war facilitated their growth, right?
34:19
Yes. And isn't that just something
34:23
that Leia and Luke's maturity was also facilitated in some way
34:27
by a war. That it was linked to those two
34:32
characters, Obi-Wan and Anakin any sense.
34:36
So it really is full circle and I loved every second of it.
34:42
Yeah, I am so glad we have Leo because without Leia, who would
34:47
be my, who would be my girl that I Look to, You know, there's so
34:52
many great lead, female stars out there, strong female
34:57
characters, however you want to call it but like Leia.
34:59
Is Leia. Is mine?
35:02
The original ya and hoo hoo to play her better than Carrie
35:08
Fisher. Absolutely my God.
35:11
And Carrie Fisher lived it every day.
35:14
Oh, my gosh, for better. Those were the straight.
35:17
Those traits of her mother? Yes.
35:19
Yeah, Carrie Fisher. May have been the most of all,
35:23
like, Anakin Skywalker. Oh my gosh.
35:25
Yes, if you know what I mean? Mean bless her heart.
35:32
I know she let you carry this. She says, she's like I am Leia.
35:36
And Leia is me. There's like got to a point.
35:38
Yeah, she couldn't remove herself and Billie.
35:41
Lourd carries daughter said. Leia is my mother and my mother
35:46
is Leia. That's it.
35:47
Yeah, and I believe it. It's true.
35:49
It's true. He really is Carry on.
35:55
Oh, carry on this week's question for you is, who do you
36:08
think Leia is? Most like her mother Padme
36:10
Amidala or her father Anakin Skywalker.
36:13
I think we covered quite a bit of each.
36:15
She's she's a very even split. Yeah, maybe leaning a little bit
36:19
more to the Anakin side, but we would love to know your
36:22
thoughts. Who does she remind you or who
36:25
does she mimic the most a mom or her dad, biological mom or dad?
36:33
Next week, we will cry together because Star Wars this pain.
36:39
Yes, because that's guaranteed to happen.
36:41
At least one time in your life, Lee Anne.
36:44
And I are going to break down our top 5 moments from clone
36:48
wars that always make us cry, like, guaranteed losing our
36:52
shit, and why emotion is so important in a storyline in
36:58
general. Bring the emotion in these
37:00
things, you know? Yeah.
37:03
We found that out in the Kenobi series.
37:04
That emotional stuff is just as important as the the flashy
37:10
blasters and lightsabers. And so yes.
37:14
Yeah. We're gonna we're gonna go hit
37:15
the feels next week bring your tissue boxes last week, we
37:21
discussed the wills and what we did and did not know about them
37:25
and our friend, silly jelly goatee, I hope I'm pronouncing
37:29
that correctly wrote to us on our Tumblr, Are a very lengthy
37:34
message which we love, but I'm going to try and condense it
37:37
down into one point of several. This person says silly jelly
37:42
goatee says, the way I personally see it.
37:45
The force is often spoken of as having a will and intention of
37:49
its own sometimes dabbling into details by focusing on certain
37:53
individuals, by sending them random Visions, for example.
37:56
But overall, It has the tendency to keep itself in Balance.
38:01
The part of the force that has its own thinking, in a sense are
38:05
the wills they or it or however many It is, believed to exist,
38:09
are basically the gods of the universe, the origin of the
38:12
creative and destructive forces, the cause of change.
38:16
They also say, this was my take on the understanding of the
38:19
force, and it's in Universe logic.
38:21
I love listening to your podcast while I'm at work, because it
38:24
always makes me my geeky heart, skip a little.
38:26
Both of you have so much fun, talking.
38:28
The same thing I love and it's just such a joy.
38:31
Well, you are extremely well-versed in this topic given
38:36
the message you sent us. So thank you so much for
38:38
explaining your point of view. I know I didn't get a chance to
38:40
read all of it here but these are the kind of comments we love
38:43
when people deep dive into things.
38:45
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38:48
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38:52
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