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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 2-13-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 3: Speaking of the Jazz.
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Speaker 4: Five hundred thousand dollars fine handed down to the Utah
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Speaker 4: Jazz by the NBA for conduct detrimental to the league.
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Speaker 4: There were a couple people who thought I was overreacting
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Speaker 4: to the way that the NBA circles were starting to
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Speaker 4: talk to and about the Utah Jazz. I feel vindicated
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Speaker 4: in that this fine shows you everything you need to
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Speaker 4: know about the choice that the NBA has made to
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Speaker 4: make the Jazz fall on the sword of tanking. Now
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Speaker 4: it is decided that tanking is something that needs to
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Speaker 4: be addressed and fixed more aggressively in the NBA.
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Speaker 3: It's just like a few years back, remember when they.
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Speaker 4: Were like when we all started to complain that there
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Speaker 4: was too much flopping in the NBA, and it was
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Speaker 4: a problem that had existed for ye like pushing a decade.
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Speaker 4: And finally the NBA said, we've had enough, and there's
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Speaker 4: a couple of players in particular that we're gonna throw
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Speaker 4: a fine at to be the examples. Well, the Utah
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Speaker 4: Jazz have been chosen as the team. We're gonna make
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Speaker 4: an example out of the Utah Jazz. And I told
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Speaker 4: you all the reasons why I thought that was happening.
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Speaker 4: Because you don't have a big, powerful, influential player. Even
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Speaker 4: your big powerful influential alums are not heavily active, are
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Speaker 4: not in media, are not visible voices like you're all stars,
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Speaker 4: the all time greats of your past are either deceased
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Speaker 4: or they are guys that they stay in the shadows,
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Speaker 4: or they're guys that people don't want to hear from
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Speaker 4: because they said things folks don't like about COVID vaccines
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Speaker 4: or whatever.
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Speaker 3: The Utah Jazz.
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Speaker 4: Have a new money owner, right, he's the new kid
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Speaker 4: on the block in NBA ownership. They don't have a
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Speaker 4: big boy big brother. Hey, you can't do that to
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Speaker 4: meet presence, really on any level right now, not on
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Speaker 4: the court, not with off the court people, not with
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Speaker 4: front office individuals. There's nobody who's got the muscle to say,
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Speaker 4: uh no, I'm not dealing with that, or you want
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Speaker 4: to hand down a five hundred thousand dollars fine to
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Speaker 4: make an example, make an example of somebody else. You
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Speaker 4: need to throw a little headline out there to make
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Speaker 4: the fans in the rest of the league, and probably
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Speaker 4: most importantly, your gambling sponsors, feel like you're doing something
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Speaker 4: to address the issues that plague this league in terms
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Speaker 4: of tanking. Do it to somebody else. The Jazz don't
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Speaker 4: have it. And Ryan Smith is gonna have to rise
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Speaker 4: to this occasion. And I think you know his presence
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Speaker 4: on social media these last couple of days. He's not
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Speaker 4: just taking it quietly. Five hundred grand doesn't hurt him
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Speaker 4: like it would hurt you or me. But that's not insignificant.
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Speaker 4: And more importantly, it's the optics of it. We are
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Speaker 4: doing something in a slightly more creative way that everyone's
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Speaker 4: been doing for years, and now you decide it's a
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Speaker 4: problem NBA. Now you decide that you need to do something.
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Speaker 4: Now five hundred thousand dollars to the Utah Jazz. You're
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Speaker 4: gonna pile on with what Bobby Marks, who joined us
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Speaker 4: on the show yesterday, was saying, Oh, we're threatening the
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Speaker 4: integrity of the game. Bullcrap, wrong, dumb, And the thing
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Speaker 4: that I underestimated, the thing that I did not account for.
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Speaker 4: Credit to Tony Jones because he was one of the
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Speaker 4: first guys saying this, and now it's universally accepted across
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Speaker 4: the league. Draymond Green was talking about it on his podcast.
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Speaker 4: What I underestimated was the fact that Oklahoma City, the
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Speaker 4: Oklahoma City Thunder, they want that Jazz first round pick badly,
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Speaker 4: and they don't want the Utah Jazz to keep them
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Speaker 4: from it. They don't want the Utah Jazz to be
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Speaker 4: able to manipulate minutes and to fake injuries and to
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Speaker 4: sit people down and to tank their way out of
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Speaker 4: having to turn over that pick. We're the Oklahoma City Thunder,
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Speaker 4: We're the defending champions. Oklahoma City's getting real big in
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Speaker 4: their breeches right now. Sam Presty's feeling good about himself. Well,
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Speaker 4: we're a championship team. We're on the verge. You see
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Speaker 4: all these young players, this incredible young talent. We're about
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Speaker 4: to be a dynasty. We've got the pieces in place.
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Speaker 4: I want another one. I'm getting greedy. And guess what,
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Speaker 4: I never thought I would spend two three days in
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Speaker 4: a week defending the tanking methods of the Utah Jazz
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Speaker 4: because it's been a relatively unseerious franchise for the last
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Speaker 4: couple of years that I don't think has always done
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Speaker 4: what is right for the fan base. But now now,
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Speaker 4: Oklahoma City, NBA, You've got me all the way on
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Speaker 4: the side of the Purple Mountains. Now it's us versus everybody.
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Speaker 4: Now it is Utah and Utah Jazz versus the League
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Speaker 4: versus Oklahoma City, versus Indiana, who's.
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Speaker 3: Slightly getting a slap on the wrist as well.
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Speaker 4: Certainly us versus the Lakers, us versus the Dallas Mavericks,
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Speaker 4: who magically everything's working out kindly for them. It is
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Speaker 4: us versus everybody. Back us into a corner. And you
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Speaker 4: know what, Ryan Smith probably doesn't like me right now.
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Speaker 4: I'm squatting up with him. Call me, Ryan, I'll go.
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Speaker 4: I'll go to the NBA offices with you. I will
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Speaker 4: have my I'll be the stupid like social media guy
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Speaker 4: put my phone in Adam Silver's face and be like,
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Speaker 4: explain for me how this tanking is more punishable than
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Speaker 4: the decades worth of tanking you've witnessed previous to it.
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Speaker 4: We woa, well, tell me what master do you serve?
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Speaker 4: Adam Silver? Is it DraftKings? Is is it fan Duel?
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Speaker 4: Is it whatever polymarket? Is it a some prediction engine?
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Speaker 4: Is it an AI overlord that says oh no, no, no, no,
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Speaker 4: we can't.
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Speaker 3: Control this is too weird. We don't like this.
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Speaker 4: We want the good old fashioned like Oh, the unibrows
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Speaker 4: sitting again, Anthony Davis says he's out for the nine
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Speaker 4: millionth game of his career. Oh, Luca has backspasms. We
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Speaker 4: got to sit him down. Whatever.
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Speaker 3: We want them to either not play at all or
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Speaker 3: to play the whole game.
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Speaker 4: By the way, you're being fined for manipulating the outcome
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Speaker 4: of a game that you won, for tanking in a
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Speaker 4: game that you won against Miami. Did you try to
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Speaker 4: lose it? Yeah, you did say the quiet part out loud,
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Speaker 4: but you didn't.
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Speaker 3: How do you this should be?
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Speaker 4: If anything, at two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, fine,
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Speaker 4: if you didn't like the behavior of these substitutions in
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Speaker 4: two games. All right, Well we won one of those games,
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Speaker 4: so you can't punish us for that one.
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Speaker 5: What do you have against Bryce Sensiba and how clutch
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Speaker 5: he is? Adam Silver?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you have?
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Speaker 4: I guess like I'm I'm gonna be the annoying TikToker
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Speaker 4: and put my phone in Adam Silver's face. Explain for
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Speaker 4: me why it matters when it's the Utah Jazz. Why
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Speaker 4: does it hurt you when it's the Utah Jazz. Why
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Speaker 4: were we supposed to trust the process with the Philadelphia
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Speaker 4: seventy six ers, but with the Jazz it's threatening the
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Speaker 4: integrity of the NBA.
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Speaker 3: It's crap. It's a double standard. It's a triple standard.
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Speaker 4: It's egregious and ridiculous in Oklahoma City, how dare you?
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Speaker 3: You just did this to get Chet Holmgren. You just
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Speaker 3: did this.
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Speaker 4: The guys on your roster, now some of them, a
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Speaker 4: lot of them are on your roster because you just
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Speaker 4: completed this process. You just pulled yourself out of this
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Speaker 4: u turn and the guys in your front office and
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Speaker 4: on your roster were.
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Speaker 3: Involved in it.
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Speaker 4: You can't forget what you are and who you are
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Speaker 4: Oklahom the city, and you certainly can't wag a finger
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Speaker 4: at the Utah Jazz, and you better not be calling
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Speaker 4: the NBA front office and you better not be telling
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Speaker 4: at himself.
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Speaker 3: Well, but Adam, they're doing this thing.
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Speaker 4: They're taking we want that pick, and you're gonna get
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Speaker 4: to pick the blogs to them his projective.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, this.
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Speaker 4: Is the system that the NBA has set up, and
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Speaker 4: the Jazz are the only ones being punished for coloring
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Speaker 4: outside the lines in a way that honestly is way
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Speaker 4: better for the fans.
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Speaker 3: And it's not new.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep bringing up for
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Speaker 5: last year's rod. Last year like this, we act like
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Speaker 5: we act like we like to hear Bobby Mark say,
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Speaker 5: I've never seen this before.
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Speaker 3: Was really off putting yesterday.
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Speaker 4: Bobby, you didn't watch any Toronto Raptors games last year.
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Speaker 5: And it probably wasn't just the Raptors, but they were.
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Speaker 5: That's just one I know for sure, right because I
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Speaker 5: told the story already a few times. This week, the
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Speaker 5: guys who cover the team every day came to Salt
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Speaker 5: Lake and we're fit, we're joking about taking bets. Is
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Speaker 5: when Scottie Barnes was gonna leave in the fourth quarter?
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Speaker 5: How much time left on the clock? And guess what
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Speaker 5: Scottie Barnes left with at least I remember it being
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Speaker 5: at least seven or eight minutes left in the game.
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Speaker 5: And it's like, Okay, the Raptors didn't get any flak
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Speaker 5: for that last year.
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Speaker 4: Why the jam get me Adam Silver on the phone, James, Okay, now, please,
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Speaker 4: It'll be easy.
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Speaker 3: He's a big he's a big fan of the show.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I gotta call Spence first because Spence had
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Speaker 5: a line to David Stern, and then he probably has
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Speaker 5: a number for Adam Silver.
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Speaker 4: And then after I want you to get Sam Presty
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Speaker 4: on the phone. Okay, And I'm gonna ask him both
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Speaker 4: the same question. Is it in the best interest of
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Speaker 4: your television partners, the NBA fans, your fellow owners to
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Speaker 4: have d NPCD in the box score or rest or whatever,
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Speaker 4: or rest next to Lowry Marketen's name, next to Trey
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Speaker 4: J's name, next to Kiante George's name, next to.
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Speaker 3: Any good player on any good team.
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Speaker 4: Is it better to have did not play coaches decision
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Speaker 4: in the box score? Better for the league, better for
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Speaker 4: the fans, better for your partners to have that? Or
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Speaker 4: is it better to have Lowry Markinen twenty eight minutes,
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Speaker 4: Jared Jackson Junior twenty seven minutes, thirty minutes, Keante George
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Speaker 4: twenty four minutes?
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Speaker 3: What's better? What is better?
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Speaker 4: Let's let's take it away from the Utah Jazz. Okay,
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Speaker 4: and let's give me any team with star players on it.
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Speaker 3: Let's go Lakers. Can we go Lakers? Yeah? Okay?
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Speaker 4: Is it better if Lebron James shows up to a
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Speaker 4: city and plays twenty minutes in a game or zero
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Speaker 4: minutes in a game? Is it better if Luca plays
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Speaker 4: thirty minutes in a game or zero minutes in a game?
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Speaker 4: For your television partners, the fans in that arena that
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Speaker 4: bought tickets or are thinking about renewing a season ticket package,
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Speaker 4: or the the in arena sponsors that are throwing product
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Speaker 4: out and the T shirt cannon is loaded up with
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Speaker 4: their stuff, is it better for them if Lebron James
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Speaker 4: is in the game for ten minutes or zero minutes.
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Speaker 4: The answer is the easiest one ever, It's better if
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Speaker 4: the players play.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 4: You want competitive integrity, you want everyone to be trying
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Speaker 4: to win all the time.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I have a solution.
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Speaker 4: Take the NBA Draft lottery away, take the suck for
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Speaker 4: Andrew luck thing away, take the if you lose you
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Speaker 4: get rewarded away, and let's just do this. See how
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Speaker 4: much NBA teams and NBA owners are gonna love this
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Speaker 4: and accept this.
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Speaker 3: All right?
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Speaker 4: How many teams are there in the NBA, James, it's thirty.
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Speaker 4: There's thirty teams. There's gonna be thirty two soon when
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Speaker 4: Seattle and Vegas get a couple of teams, right, right,
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Speaker 4: So when they get their expansion, here's what's gonna happen.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 4: You're gonna wait until the expansion and you're gonna say,
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Speaker 4: number one pick and number two picks are going to
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Speaker 4: the expansion franchise, and we're gonna flip a coin to
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Speaker 4: see who it is. And the rest of the NBA
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Speaker 4: is gonna grumble about it, but they're gonna be like,
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Speaker 4: all right, fine, expansion team, they got to get a
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Speaker 4: gotta get a head start, whatever. And then you're gonna
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Speaker 4: tell all other thirty NBA teams, we're gonna put your
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Speaker 4: name in a hopper now, and we're gonna do it
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Speaker 4: based on nothing other than one of thirty. Everybody has
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Speaker 4: the same odds. And if you get to pick in what,
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Speaker 4: let's say this happens in twenty thirty, you get the
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Speaker 4: number one pick in twenty thirty after the expansion, and
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Speaker 4: after that one and two for Seattle.
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Speaker 3: And Las Vegas or vice versa.
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you everyone an equal opportunity. Whether you
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Speaker 4: won the NBA Championship, you were the runner up, you
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Speaker 4: were the last place team in the league, I'm gonna
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Speaker 4: give you an equal percentage chance you have a one
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Speaker 4: in thirty chance of being the number one overall pick
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Speaker 4: in the NBA draft. And everyone's gonna grumble about it
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Speaker 4: and be like, no, we don't like that. We don't
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Speaker 4: like that. If the champions teams the number one teams.
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Speaker 3: At the bottom, why don't you like it?
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Speaker 5: Well?
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Speaker 3: What if the champs get it again?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, what if the final their finals opponent
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Speaker 5: does whatever.
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Speaker 3: Teams at the top, why don't you like it?
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Speaker 4: Well, because like, you know that, I don't want to
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Speaker 4: have the same odds as everyone else. Well, guess what
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Speaker 4: you're you're you're fine, So you don't get to complain,
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Speaker 4: All right, Fine, our teams at the top are going
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Speaker 4: to accept it. Jazz do you like this? No, Pelicans,
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Speaker 4: do you like this?
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Speaker 6: No?
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Speaker 3: We hate it.
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Speaker 4: Anyone else have an opinion about it. No one's gonna
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Speaker 4: agree to this. But let's get rich. Let's get away
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Speaker 4: from this, this tanking incentivizing system. Okay, now you get
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Speaker 4: the number one pick, your name comes out of the hopper.
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Speaker 4: Next year, you don't have a chance at the number
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Speaker 4: one pick for thirty more years.
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Speaker 3: That's it. I hate that. Well, what you are the
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Speaker 3: number one pick?
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Speaker 4: Let I'll go on my head, But what about it?
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Speaker 4: I hate How do we keep this cyclical? And how
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Speaker 4: do we No?
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. You guys would not be adults
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Speaker 3: about this thing.
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Speaker 4: And you didn't like how many random, random enforcement opportunities
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Speaker 4: the league took on the rules. So we're just gonna
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Speaker 4: do it. You have a one in thirty chance. Then
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Speaker 4: the next year, have you won it? Sorry, you have
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Speaker 4: a one in thirty two chance because we're talking post expansion,
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Speaker 4: And after that you have a one in thirty one chance,
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Speaker 4: and after that you have a one in thirty chance
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Speaker 4: and a one in twenty nine chance. You got the
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Speaker 4: first pick in the twenty thirty one draft. The next
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Speaker 4: time you have an opportunity at number one is in
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Speaker 4: the twenty sixties.
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Speaker 5: You cool with that, and you may not get it
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Speaker 5: till twenty ninety something in then a while that that'd
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Speaker 5: be that'd be insane and.
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Speaker 3: People will be like, no, I've been really yeah, we
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Speaker 3: can't do it. Here's the thing.
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Speaker 4: You either find a way in the system you've created
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Speaker 4: now and just accept that this is what you have
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Speaker 4: put people through, This what you put franchises, owners, etc.
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Speaker 4: Through and know that they're going to race to the
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Speaker 4: bottom in order to get that number one pick, especially
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Speaker 4: in a loaded draft year, and just realize, Okay, this
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Speaker 4: is it's flawed, but it's our system.
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Speaker 3: Or change it, rip.
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Speaker 4: The band aid off and make it something that is
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Speaker 4: also intolerable. I guess for people, you probably, if you're
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Speaker 4: Adam Silver, you probably just ask DraftKings and fan duel
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Speaker 4: and the betting money like, hey, what would you like
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Speaker 4: us to do with the draft? And you let them
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Speaker 4: make the decision for you. You know what they're going
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Speaker 4: to say, give us something we can monetize. I saw
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Speaker 4: a proposal yesterday being bandied about the league that a
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Speaker 4: lot of people hate.
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Speaker 3: I love.
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Speaker 4: If you're out of the playoffs, you're in another tournament
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Speaker 4: to see who gets the number one pick.
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Speaker 5: So the only thing, the only thing that I don't
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Speaker 5: know if I like about that is I do the
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Speaker 5: players on the team or I guess it's a question
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Speaker 5: will the current players on the team, especially those with
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Speaker 5: expiring contracts, will they care to play hard in that tournament?
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Speaker 5: Because they may not. They don't have much incentive. That's
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Speaker 5: not for us to figure out. That's for team culture.
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Speaker 5: That's for general manager to figure out.
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Speaker 4: That's for owners. If you have the right kind of people,
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Speaker 4: they will compete hard for you. Yeah, if you've got
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Speaker 4: the right people in your building, the right people on
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Speaker 4: your roster, they're gonna try to win when you tell them, hey,
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Speaker 4: it's time to try to win. The Utah Jazz have
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Speaker 4: that right now. Okay, everybody in that locker room knows
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Speaker 4: how terrible They know better than we do, how terrible
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Speaker 4: it looks and feels to be losing on purpose, losing, losing, losing.
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Speaker 4: These are basketball players at the highest level of the
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Speaker 4: sport in the world. They don't want to be a
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Speaker 4: bottom four team, three team, six team.
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Speaker 3: They want to be a top team in the league.
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Speaker 4: Right they also understand that this is part of this
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Speaker 4: is how the sausage is made. And that's a team
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Speaker 4: that we've seen it. We have seen it now. They
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Speaker 4: will overperform their talent level even when you don't want
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Speaker 4: them to. If you say, hey, guys, we are in
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Speaker 4: this lottery pick tournament. I now need for you to
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Speaker 4: win this thing so we can get number one, number two,
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Speaker 4: number three. We want Darren Peterson, we want aj Debonsa,
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Speaker 4: we want Cam Boozer. Go get us that by playing hard.
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Speaker 4: The right people are in this organization, they're gonna do
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Speaker 4: it right now. If you're if you're somebody, if you're
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Speaker 4: at James Harden, you might just be like, what, why
19:46
Speaker 4: do I want you to get some great rookie that's
19:48
Speaker 4: gonna take shots and minutes away from me. You don't
19:51
Speaker 4: have the right person in your organization. But again, this
19:54
Speaker 4: is a system that the NBA has helped to create,
19:57
Speaker 4: and if you're gonna find a solution for it, you
19:59
Speaker 4: have to be willing to listen to all things, or
20:02
Speaker 4: you can do what you're doing right now. You can
20:05
Speaker 4: just alienate a fan base here and a fan base
20:08
Speaker 4: there by selectively punishing the Utah Jazz selectively punishing the
20:12
Speaker 4: Indiana Pacers. Maybe you choose somebody else to punch, somebody
20:16
Speaker 4: else to bully.
20:17
Speaker 3: Sooner than later.
20:20
Speaker 4: It infuriates me that it's the Utah Jazz, even though
20:23
Speaker 4: it's the most predictable thing in the world, because of
20:26
Speaker 4: all the reasons we talked about this week. It's because
20:31
Speaker 4: you have a new money owner. It's because you don't
20:33
Speaker 4: have a big time vocal all star. This would never
20:37
Speaker 4: happen to a team that had even like a forty
20:40
Speaker 4: five year old Lebron James on it. Like if Lebron
20:44
Speaker 4: just decides to hang on as long as he can
20:46
Speaker 4: so he can play with his son Bryce, like he
20:49
Speaker 4: played with Bronni and somehow ended up on a Utah Jazz,
20:52
Speaker 4: or maybe he goes back to Cleveland and Cleveland is
20:54
Speaker 4: doing a tank thing. They would never do this to
20:58
Speaker 4: that team because they have that voice, that figure, that
21:03
Speaker 4: face that could say, no, you are not punishing us
21:07
Speaker 4: for something that the rest of the league also does
21:10
Speaker 4: and is also done for decades now. We are not
21:13
Speaker 4: accepting this. We are not going to be the face
21:18
Speaker 4: of tanking. Are we tanking?
21:20
Speaker 3: Yes?
21:21
Speaker 4: Are there seven teams in the league tanking? Yes, are
21:23
Speaker 4: there ten after the All Star break that are gonna tank. Yes,
21:27
Speaker 4: we are not going to bite this bullet and fall
21:29
Speaker 4: on this sword for the rest of the league and
21:32
Speaker 4: especially you, Oklahoma City. You can shut up all right.
21:36
Speaker 4: Our women are better looking than yours. Our team history
21:40
Speaker 4: is a lot more fun than yours. Our state is
21:45
Speaker 4: more beautiful than yours. Our geography is better are uniquely
21:49
Speaker 4: American religion is more charitable.
21:52
Speaker 3: Like, we are better than.
21:54
Speaker 4: You in every way, Oklahoma, except for you now have
21:57
Speaker 4: an NBA championship which we don't have. And because you
22:00
Speaker 4: got at least that, you need to be grateful. You
22:04
Speaker 4: need to take your ball, you need to go over there,
22:06
Speaker 4: and you need to get out of our business. Shut up,
22:10
Speaker 4: Oklahoma City, don't don't go tattling.
22:16
Speaker 3: To the NBA front office.
22:17
Speaker 4: Well, the Jazz aren't trying, and we want their pick,
22:20
Speaker 4: and we're not gonna get it because they're trying to
22:23
Speaker 4: lose us into trying to win.
22:25
Speaker 3: That's unacceptable, Adam and Adams.
22:27
Speaker 4: So it was like, you're right, okay, you're my little
22:29
Speaker 4: darling right now, you're my sweet little boy who I'm
22:32
Speaker 4: gonna powder your bum and make you feel good because
22:34
Speaker 4: you've got some star players, and you're a great story
22:37
Speaker 4: in the league. Right now, remember where you came from,
22:39
Speaker 4: Oklahoma City. Remember how you got what you got, And
22:43
Speaker 4: don't look across the fence and be like, well, I
22:46
Speaker 4: don't like the way that they're doing it.
22:48
Speaker 3: You did it this way.
22:50
Speaker 4: Look his lawn looks really bad right now, dude, your
22:54
Speaker 4: long looked the same way two years ago.
22:56
Speaker 3: Shut up, Oklahoma City.
22:59
Speaker 4: It's in furiating the double standard that this Utah Jazz
23:03
Speaker 4: team has to live on. If I'm Ryan Smith, I'm
23:08
Speaker 4: sitting here and I'm going I thought I was a
23:10
Speaker 4: cat person, all right. I bought myself the most beautiful
23:16
Speaker 4: cat that I could find, and it turns out that
23:19
Speaker 4: owning a cat kind of sucks.
23:22
Speaker 3: But you know what, you know what else Ryan Smith did.
23:25
Speaker 4: He bought himself a dog, and he's like, man, I
23:30
Speaker 4: got this beautiful, purebread Persian hairless, freaking hybrid cat, my
23:36
Speaker 4: dream cat. I bought that cat. And it turns out
23:38
Speaker 4: and it kind of sucks owning this cat. Cat's not
23:41
Speaker 4: very affectionate. It's a thankless thing owning a cat. The
23:45
Speaker 4: cat doesn't appreciate what I'm doing for it. There's a
23:47
Speaker 4: lot of complaints from the cat. And over here, I've
23:51
Speaker 4: got this dog that I kind of bought as an afterthought,
23:54
Speaker 4: and this dog loves me. Man, This dog wants to
23:56
Speaker 4: cuddle all the time. Is like following me, comes to
24:00
Speaker 4: work with me. I love this dog, man. And you
24:02
Speaker 4: know who else loves this dog? Everyone around me, everyone
24:05
Speaker 4: in the neighborhood realized that even though they were like, man,
24:08
Speaker 4: we used to love that cat. That cat actually kind
24:10
Speaker 4: of sucks. But the dog, the dog is rad Cats
24:15
Speaker 4: are kind of lame.
24:16
Speaker 3: Dogs. Turns out we.
24:17
Speaker 4: Like dogs just as much as we thought we like cats.
24:20
Speaker 4: We might love dogs more than cats, and dogs are
24:23
Speaker 4: a lot more appropriate for this particular climate. That's what
24:27
Speaker 4: Ryan Smith got right.
24:28
Speaker 3: Now.
24:29
Speaker 4: He's got a cat in the Utah Jazz that's a thankless, annoying,
24:34
Speaker 4: stupid thing.
24:35
Speaker 3: To have to own.
24:36
Speaker 4: And then he's got a dog in the Utah Mammoth
24:38
Speaker 4: that is like, Man, this dog is wonderful, unexpectedly great.
24:43
Speaker 4: I think I might just become a dog person. If
24:46
Speaker 4: you're Ryan Smith, you know what, NBA, You've screwed us
24:51
Speaker 4: now a couple of times. You're not helping us out.
24:55
Speaker 4: You're not gonna help us out with this upcoming draft.
25:00
Speaker 4: I'm paying the fine, but you can have your cat.
25:05
Speaker 4: My focus, my effort, my attention now belongs to the dog,
25:10
Speaker 4: because the dog gives me a lot more back.
25:13
Speaker 3: If I'm Ryan Smith and I know he's not going
25:15
Speaker 3: to do this.
25:16
Speaker 4: I am regretting buying the Utah Jazz and I'm loving
25:21
Speaker 4: that I have the Utah Mammoth, and I would be like, man,
25:25
Speaker 4: every egg goes in that basket right now, because guess what.
25:28
Speaker 4: Guess what, NBA and my fellow NBA owners and Adam Silver,
25:34
Speaker 4: not all ownership groups are created equal. And if you
25:38
Speaker 4: want to know what it looks like to be a
25:40
Speaker 4: bad owner in the NBA, I can do that for
25:42
Speaker 4: you too, because this is a thankless pursuit right now.
25:48
Speaker 4: The stewardship of the Utah Jazz the NBA is for
25:52
Speaker 4: cat people, and I'm a dog person. Now, thank you
25:57
Speaker 4: NHL for coming to Salt Lake City.
26:01
Speaker 3: You don't have to worry about any of this.
26:05
Speaker 4: The culture of the NHL doesn't allow this stuff to happen.
26:09
Speaker 3: We don't have to defend the tanking. We don't have
26:12
Speaker 3: to sit here and be like this, look.
26:15
Speaker 4: This, this kind of sucks and it sucks in a
26:20
Speaker 4: way that we know is very obvious.
26:21
Speaker 3: But it's our sucky situation.
26:23
Speaker 4: So you don't throw any stones at our sucky situation.
26:27
Speaker 3: It's ours and we're gonna defend it.
26:29
Speaker 4: I don't like that, That's where I'm at right now,
26:31
Speaker 4: but it's the right thing to do. This is our team,
26:38
Speaker 4: this is our franchise, This is our state.
26:40
Speaker 3: Whether you like the ownership group or not.
26:44
Speaker 4: The fact that Oklahoma thinks it can bully us, we
26:50
Speaker 4: need not put together some kind of sports Mormon militia
26:55
Speaker 4: to just march across the plains and just start slapping
26:58
Speaker 4: Oklahoma's in the head.
27:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, how about how about this, Oklahoma?
27:02
Speaker 5: How about did you know that almost two hundred years
27:06
Speaker 5: ago we just stomped all over your land on the
27:08
Speaker 5: way to a better place like this?
27:10
Speaker 4: How about this they actually didn't go through. Let's form
27:12
Speaker 4: a big old posse, all right with My parents live
27:18
Speaker 4: in Oklahoma. All right, there's nothing about Oklahoma except the
27:22
Speaker 4: fact that the thunder won themselves a championship.
27:26
Speaker 5: Sooners football is usually good, that's about it.
27:32
Speaker 3: They do have a pretty good Sooner situation there.
27:34
Speaker 4: Okay, So with those the exception of those two things
27:38
Speaker 4: the state of Oklahoma, and I guess healthy oil reserves.
27:41
Speaker 3: Aside from those.
27:42
Speaker 4: Three things, the state of Oklahoma has nothing desirable about it. Okay,
27:48
Speaker 4: let's form up a posse. You put on your favorite
27:52
Speaker 4: Utah Jazz gear. We're gonna march across. Let's be realistic.
27:58
Speaker 4: We'll probably fly all right, and we're just gonna start
28:01
Speaker 4: wedgieings some people. We're gonna give wedgies. We're gonna give
28:04
Speaker 4: wet willies. Okay, we're gonna we're gonna go bully Oklahoma
28:10
Speaker 4: City and the Oklahoma City thunder back into the place
28:13
Speaker 4: where they belong. You don't get to call the office
28:19
Speaker 4: and tattle on the Utah Jazz and be rewarded for it.
28:23
Speaker 4: And guess what after we do it to Oklahoma City,
28:26
Speaker 4: we're all getting back on the caravan of planes and
28:29
Speaker 4: we're flying to wherever Adam Silver is and we're gonna
28:32
Speaker 4: pants him and give him a swirly and we're gonna
28:36
Speaker 4: bully him and say, uh uh, dude, you don't get
28:39
Speaker 4: to do this to the Utah Jazz.
28:41
Speaker 3: That is ridiculous. It is hypocritical.
28:45
Speaker 4: And if you want to find somebody to make an
28:47
Speaker 4: example of, it ain't gonna be me.
28:49
Speaker 3: This has turned into a prison yard.
28:52
Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen. And I've never done time, but we've
28:55
Speaker 4: all seen the movies. What do you do on your
28:57
Speaker 4: first day in prison? What do you do on the
28:59
Speaker 4: first day when you wake up and you realize it
29:02
Speaker 4: is now kill or be killed? It is the strong
29:06
Speaker 4: eat the week, right. You cannot be shown to be
29:10
Speaker 4: the weak guy. So you go to the commissary, You
29:13
Speaker 4: go over to the cafeteria.
29:16
Speaker 3: That's what I'm thinking of.
29:17
Speaker 4: You go to the cafeteria, you find the biggest, meanest,
29:20
Speaker 4: ugliest looking person, You walk them right up to their
29:23
Speaker 4: face and wham.
29:25
Speaker 3: That's what the Utah Jazz have to do. Now. We
29:28
Speaker 3: are not going to be.
29:31
Speaker 4: Your punching bag NBA Oklahoma City anybody else.
29:36
Speaker 3: We're not. We're not gonna sit back and take this crap.
29:42
Speaker 4: I don't actually have the power to put that sentiment
29:45
Speaker 4: into reality, but that's the attitude I need for the
29:49
Speaker 4: entire NBA basketball sporting community in the state of Utah
29:54
Speaker 4: to have right now.
29:57
Speaker 3: And Ryan Smith call me.
30:00
Speaker 4: I will go with you on your private plane to
30:04
Speaker 4: wherever Adam Silver is pretending he cares about the game.
30:09
Speaker 4: And I will eat something sticky. While I'm chewing up
30:14
Speaker 4: that sticky thing, I will put my index finger into
30:17
Speaker 4: my mouth. All right, I'll slather a bunch of goo
30:22
Speaker 4: right onto my index finger, and I will wet Willie
30:25
Speaker 4: Adam Silver for you. I will clog up his giant
30:30
Speaker 4: ears with some sticky mess of high fructose corn syrup
30:36
Speaker 4: in saliva while you sit on the other side of
30:39
Speaker 4: him and tell him we are not standing for this anymore.
30:43
Speaker 3: Adam. And you want to bully somebody, do it to
30:47
Speaker 3: the Memphis Grizzlies, not us. Go find the New Orleans
30:53
Speaker 3: Pelicans for letting Zion Williamson get too fat and ruin
30:57
Speaker 3: his potential in the NBA.
31:04
Speaker 4: It's disgusting, It's terrible, hypocritical, and I would love to
31:10
Speaker 4: see Ryan Smith refuse to pay the fine.
31:14
Speaker 3: All right, come get it, let's tie this up in court.
31:17
Speaker 3: NBA sue me for it. I'm I'm not gonna accept
31:24
Speaker 3: the fine.
31:26
Speaker 4: In fact, I'm gonna bring up every I'm gonna have
31:28
Speaker 4: my research team.
31:30
Speaker 3: We know people over there in the Jazz building.
31:33
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have my research team bring up every obvious
31:36
Speaker 4: example of tanking that has ever happened in the NBA,
31:40
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna have them match those obvious examples up
31:43
Speaker 4: with the monetary fines that you the front office handed
31:46
Speaker 4: down to that franchise. And if we don't establish a
31:51
Speaker 4: pattern that five hundred thousand dollars is the going rate
31:54
Speaker 4: for what we did in those two games, I am
31:58
Speaker 4: not paying the fine. Spoiler alert, it has not been
32:02
Speaker 4: established because teams have been tanking for years without so
32:06
Speaker 4: much as a comment from the league. All right, I'm
32:13
Speaker 4: gonna climb down off my soapbox, off my angry ledge.
32:17
Speaker 4: Right now, we got a fun show lined up for you.
32:23
Speaker 4: Andy Larson's gonna join us. Yes, that Andy Larson, who
32:26
Speaker 4: is now transitioning out of NBA coverage, but right now
32:30
Speaker 4: he's in the thick of it. He's Twitter fighting with
32:34
Speaker 4: Bobby Marks. We're gonna talk some college hoop next with
32:40
Speaker 4: Jerry Palm, a little bracketology. It's that time of year
32:43
Speaker 4: to get into it. We got the airing of grievances,
32:46
Speaker 4: although I just spend about thirty minutes airing grievances, so I.
32:48
Speaker 3: Don't know how much gas I'll have left in that tank.
32:52
Speaker 4: It's the Shot O'Connell show, just getting started on a Friday,
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Speaker 1: You're attuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
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Speaker 7: talk a little n C Douaba who Jerry Palm kind
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Speaker 7: dot com.
33:28
Speaker 4: You know about the bracketology expertise that this man has
33:31
Speaker 4: been bringing to us for years and years, and we're
33:34
Speaker 4: lucky enough to lean on him yet again.
33:36
Speaker 3: Jerry, Welcome to the show. How are you, sir?
33:39
Speaker 8: I'm all right. How are you doing?
33:41
Speaker 3: Okay?
33:41
Speaker 4: I just spent a lot of time ranting about the
33:43
Speaker 4: NBA punishing the Utah Jazz, in my opinion, unfairly. So
33:47
Speaker 4: it's nice to talk about something else because there's no
33:50
Speaker 4: solution in sight for me. But you, uh, your two
33:55
Speaker 4: worlds of basket are your world of basketball. It definitely
33:58
Speaker 4: crosses over into that draft lottery system because a lot
34:01
Speaker 4: of these guys in the brackets end up being top picks.
34:05
Speaker 4: Is there any solution that you think makes sense for
34:07
Speaker 4: the NBA?
34:09
Speaker 8: Oh? I don't know what the NBA's problems are I
34:11
Speaker 8: don't even know the Utah Jazz story. I get so
34:14
Speaker 8: focused on college basketball I don't.
34:16
Speaker 9: Even start paying attention to the NBA.
34:19
Speaker 4: That's what a cool, what a cool way to view
34:21
Speaker 4: the sports world right now. I was gonna was gonna
34:23
Speaker 4: ask you how much Olympics you're watching? But I think
34:25
Speaker 4: I got the answer to that as well.
34:27
Speaker 8: A little bit. Yeah, I get to peak at it
34:29
Speaker 8: a little bit. It's hard to ignore the Olympics entirely,
34:32
Speaker 8: but yeah, I'm not spending a lot of time on
34:34
Speaker 8: that either. Okay, but it's yeah, the NBA has got
34:40
Speaker 8: their own problems. College basketball's got, you know, problems with
34:44
Speaker 8: like eligibility rules which seem to change day to day.
34:49
Speaker 8: You know, they've got their own off the court problems.
34:51
Speaker 3: That's absolutely true. Maybe we'll get to those at some point.
34:54
Speaker 4: But let's talk a little bit about the two in
34:56
Speaker 4: state teams and where they're gonna find themselves when March
35:00
Speaker 4: Madness begins. Will start with BYU, because the expectations at
35:05
Speaker 4: BYU all time high coming into this year for obvious reasons.
35:09
Speaker 4: AJ debonsa Rob Wright, the returning guys from last year's
35:13
Speaker 4: roster that have been equally important so far this season,
35:17
Speaker 4: and BYU they snapped a little bit of a skid.
35:22
Speaker 4: It was almost five in a row, but they ended
35:24
Speaker 4: up losing four in a row and winning that fifth one.
35:27
Speaker 4: And they're not necessarily having the regular season that a
35:30
Speaker 4: lot of people hoped they would. But there's plenty of
35:33
Speaker 4: good basketball left to be played even before they get
35:35
Speaker 4: to the Big twelve tournament.
35:37
Speaker 3: Where do you see BYU right now?
35:39
Speaker 4: And where's their ceiling When we talk about seeding for
35:42
Speaker 4: the upcoming and CAA tournament.
35:44
Speaker 8: Well, I'm actually still working on my bracket, but I
35:46
Speaker 8: just put BYU in and there are five So but
35:50
Speaker 8: you think about that four game losing streak, be itse Arizona, Houston,
35:54
Speaker 8: Kansas and then the at Oklahoma State. You know how
35:57
Speaker 8: life on the road is tough, but that's the worst
35:59
Speaker 8: of those losses and that's still at least a maybe
36:03
Speaker 8: tournament team. So but for b YU to move up,
36:08
Speaker 8: they need to win those games. You know, they need
36:11
Speaker 8: to beat Oklahoma States, they need to beat Arizona and
36:13
Speaker 8: Houston and Texas Tech. I mean, those are the kinds
36:16
Speaker 8: of teams that they need to beat. The teams ahead
36:19
Speaker 8: of them in the bracket, in their own league to
36:21
Speaker 8: really get the Jews they need to move up. They're
36:24
Speaker 8: gonna get Iowa State at home, They're gonna get Texas
36:26
Speaker 8: Tech at home. You know, that's the place where you
36:28
Speaker 8: want to, you know, best take advantage of it. And
36:31
Speaker 8: UCS has been tough too, especially on their home floor. Uh.
36:35
Speaker 8: And they're that's a tournament team at least for now.
36:37
Speaker 8: So you know, those are the games that you want
36:40
Speaker 8: to win to get some Jews to move up. And
36:42
Speaker 8: then you have to win the games you're supposed to
36:44
Speaker 8: win anyway.
36:47
Speaker 4: In the case of b YU and the you know,
36:50
Speaker 4: the roster as it stands now, you know, one of
36:53
Speaker 4: the criticisms is that you spend all this money and
36:56
Speaker 4: you got all these big time star players, but the
36:58
Speaker 4: depth has not really come through. And that is part
37:02
Speaker 4: of the NIL world that we're all living in now.
37:05
Speaker 4: When we get to the tournament and when you get
37:07
Speaker 4: to your brackets, do you find that teams that, you know,
37:10
Speaker 4: some of these smaller schools or some of the lesser
37:13
Speaker 4: knowns who aren't as big a players in NIL might
37:16
Speaker 4: actually do okay because they have a more even distribution
37:20
Speaker 4: of talent and maybe even better depth.
37:23
Speaker 8: Maybe depth. I've never really thought of depth as a
37:27
Speaker 8: big issue in the NCAA tournament because you play two
37:30
Speaker 8: games in three days, and then you get a week
37:32
Speaker 8: off or most you know, half a week off, and
37:34
Speaker 8: then you play two games in three days, and you know,
37:37
Speaker 8: it's it's not as rigorous a schedule as any more rigorous,
37:42
Speaker 8: at least in a regular season. So I don't know
37:46
Speaker 8: how much depth really matters in the NCAA turmal unless
37:51
Speaker 8: you foul trouble. That's where your depth comes in is
37:53
Speaker 8: if you if you have to go to your bench,
37:56
Speaker 8: you know, you want to have guys that you can
37:58
Speaker 8: count on on your bench, and foul trouble is and injuries,
38:02
Speaker 8: but mostly foul trouble is what causes that. You know,
38:05
Speaker 8: it's depth is good in the regular season because you
38:09
Speaker 8: know it's a grind, but it's it's important and it's
38:15
Speaker 8: also important to cover for injuries. But I don't know,
38:18
Speaker 8: I think you can get by with a seven man
38:20
Speaker 8: rotation if your seven man rotation is good enough.
38:25
Speaker 4: How many teams from the Big twelve conference are going
38:28
Speaker 4: to be in the bracket this year, so you know.
38:31
Speaker 8: It's funny because they have great teams at the top.
38:35
Speaker 8: I mean they've got five or six that could win
38:38
Speaker 8: the national championship, and then beyond that they might only
38:41
Speaker 8: put one more in the field, or maybe two if
38:44
Speaker 8: somebody makes a run. So seven or eight I think
38:49
Speaker 8: nine would be a stretch. The other major conferences will
38:52
Speaker 8: probably put at least nine in and the Big Twelve
38:55
Speaker 8: may come up on the short end in terms of
38:58
Speaker 8: the raw numbers of teams, but in terms of actual
39:01
Speaker 8: title contenders, they might actually have the most.
39:04
Speaker 4: As it stands now, both Arizona and Houston one seeds.
39:09
Speaker 8: I still have Houston as a two. They're my number
39:13
Speaker 8: five overall, so three of the top five from the
39:16
Speaker 8: Big Twelve, but you can make a case for Houston
39:18
Speaker 8: as a one. I've been every bracket I do the
39:21
Speaker 8: last couple of weeks. I'm still checking to see if
39:24
Speaker 8: it's time to move them up, and I haven't got
39:26
Speaker 8: there yet.
39:26
Speaker 4: When you talk about those five or six teams that
39:29
Speaker 4: might actually be national championship contenders from the Big twelve conference,
39:34
Speaker 4: should we put by you in that conversation?
39:36
Speaker 8: Yeah, they're in Iowa State, Arizona, Houston, Kansas because coming
39:41
Speaker 8: on and you know, they get Darren Peterson to be
39:44
Speaker 8: able to play every game, you know, regular minutes every game.
39:47
Speaker 8: Kansas might actually be the best of the bunch.
39:50
Speaker 4: How does somebody like Darren Peterson with his inconsistent play
39:54
Speaker 4: factor into the predictive nature of bracketology.
39:59
Speaker 8: Well, it's you know, the committee can only you know,
40:04
Speaker 8: put so much weight on what he's done. Typically, when
40:07
Speaker 8: it comes to players that miss time for whatever reason,
40:11
Speaker 8: they'll try and judge you a little bit more little
40:15
Speaker 8: being the operative ward there on how you have performed
40:19
Speaker 8: with the roster you're taking into the tournament versus otherwise.
40:24
Speaker 8: But you know, it's, you know, and for Peterson, you know,
40:27
Speaker 8: he's in out and out and out.
40:28
Speaker 9: It's it's inconsistent.
40:30
Speaker 8: It's hard. It's going to be harder for them to
40:31
Speaker 8: judge that as opposed to a case like but North Carolina,
40:35
Speaker 8: where one of their key players just got hurt and
40:38
Speaker 8: broke a hand and it's gonna miss probably some significant
40:41
Speaker 8: time and may not come back at all. So you know, now,
40:45
Speaker 8: what are we going to see from North Carolina? How
40:48
Speaker 8: they finished the year is going to be really important
40:51
Speaker 8: in the eyes at the committee because that might be
40:53
Speaker 8: the team that North Carolina has taken into the tournament.
40:57
Speaker 4: We spent a lot of time in the through the
41:00
Speaker 4: college basketball lens talking about the great players because of
41:04
Speaker 4: the Utah Jazz kind of expected place in the lottery
41:07
Speaker 4: and picking near the top, and so you look at
41:09
Speaker 4: all the individual talents they are going to be in
41:11
Speaker 4: that conversation, it's not always the case that the best
41:16
Speaker 4: player in college basketball is also going to be one
41:20
Speaker 4: of these top picks, or the most impactful player in
41:22
Speaker 4: an NCAA tournament doesn't end up always being one of
41:25
Speaker 4: these top picks. Is there a player that you can
41:28
Speaker 4: identify for anyone big twelve, especially that you know, maybe
41:32
Speaker 4: they don't have the biggest NBA future, maybe they're not
41:35
Speaker 4: a future lottery pick, but they're going to be a big,
41:37
Speaker 4: big deal in March.
41:40
Speaker 8: Oh, I still like JT toppin I'm not I really
41:45
Speaker 8: don't know what his NBA prospects are because it's like
41:47
Speaker 8: I tell you, I know great players might see and
41:49
Speaker 8: just you know, there, We've got a freshman class this
41:52
Speaker 8: year that could put six guys in the top ten
41:56
Speaker 8: of the draft. I mean, it's just amazing this freshman class.
41:59
Speaker 8: But j Top to me is h he's an upper classman.
42:02
Speaker 8: That's a guy that's I think are really good to
42:05
Speaker 8: be a really good NBA player. I don't know how
42:07
Speaker 8: the scouts feel about him, because like I told you,
42:09
Speaker 8: I don't really pay attention to that stuff until, you know,
42:12
Speaker 8: after the season's over. But I know that that's the
42:15
Speaker 8: guy that that that they like and an upper classman.
42:18
Speaker 8: Uh And and I think that if he can lead
42:21
Speaker 8: Texas Tech, especially to some sort of a you know,
42:26
Speaker 8: a relatively deep tournament run, uh, sometimes that the scouts
42:31
Speaker 8: pay attention. You know, NBA scouts are always watching everything,
42:35
Speaker 8: so they know about all these guys. But sometimes, you know,
42:39
Speaker 8: when you get into a high leverage situation and you're
42:42
Speaker 8: leaving your team, you know, farther maybe than people expected.
42:46
Speaker 8: That's kind of a gold star.
42:50
Speaker 4: Jerry Paulmer guests for another couple of minutes here on
42:52
Speaker 4: the Sean O'Connell show, talking bracketology with the MCNAA tournament
42:57
Speaker 4: and the conference tournaments right around the corner. UH, def
43:00
Speaker 4: taxes and somehow Utah State basketball regardless of coaching changes
43:05
Speaker 4: and anything else that it seems to happen up in Logan.
43:09
Speaker 4: They find a way to be consistent in a sport
43:12
Speaker 4: marked by inconsistencies, especially at kind of like that mid
43:15
Speaker 4: major level.
43:16
Speaker 3: What do you think of the Aggies?
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Speaker 8: I like them and I always like them, and for
43:21
Speaker 8: the reasons you just mentioned. I mean, if they hadn't
43:23
Speaker 8: lost that game at UNLV so they'd be a you know,
43:27
Speaker 8: maybe a five or six type of seed, maybe they
43:30
Speaker 8: could end up there anyway. But you know, and and
43:33
Speaker 8: it helps that not just the Utah State is good
43:38
Speaker 8: on a consistent basis, a borderline at least top twenty
43:41
Speaker 8: five team, but they've got other good teams in their
43:44
Speaker 8: league so that when they're playing conference games, you know,
43:48
Speaker 8: there's gonna be half a dozen conference games each year
43:52
Speaker 8: that are gonna be quality games. San Diego State might
43:56
Speaker 8: make the tournament. New Mexico might make the tournament. Grand
43:59
Speaker 8: Canyon doesn't like you're going to get there, but still
44:01
Speaker 8: a good team. Boise State still a good team. So
44:05
Speaker 8: you know, you're playing in a conference that's got enough
44:09
Speaker 8: depth of good teams and usually multiple NCAA Tournament teams
44:15
Speaker 8: that you're able to prove yourself both in your league
44:18
Speaker 8: and out of your league. And Utah State's been able
44:21
Speaker 8: to do that.
44:23
Speaker 4: Are we in an era now of college basketball? We
44:26
Speaker 4: talked so much about how nil has changed the landscape
44:29
Speaker 4: of sport, and in college basketball and college football more
44:32
Speaker 4: than any other. Are we in an era right now
44:35
Speaker 4: where the Cinderellas are going to find themselves overwhelmed because
44:40
Speaker 4: they can't keep the you know, the players that they
44:42
Speaker 4: used to keep. Instead those guys transferred to go play
44:45
Speaker 4: for a blue blood are Cinderella is going to slowly
44:48
Speaker 4: go extinct in college basketball.
44:52
Speaker 8: I don't like the directions that that is going, and
44:55
Speaker 8: it's because it's like you describe, you know, I say,
44:59
Speaker 8: the money flows up hill uphill to the major conferences,
45:02
Speaker 8: of which there are still five in college basketball. But
45:05
Speaker 8: I even wonder how long the Big East can maintain that,
45:09
Speaker 8: you know where that because the money generally is coming
45:12
Speaker 8: the big money from football, and the Big East doesn't
45:15
Speaker 8: play it. I mean, they've got a few FPS schools
45:19
Speaker 8: and then Yukon plays FPS, but you know, they're not
45:24
Speaker 8: getting these schools aren't getting the big money from football
45:27
Speaker 8: even in the Big East that the other majors do.
45:30
Speaker 8: And I'm afraid that college basketball and probably other sports
45:34
Speaker 8: as well, is going to be such that the major
45:38
Speaker 8: conferences dominate so much that it will be hard for
45:43
Speaker 8: even at large teams to come from some of these
45:46
Speaker 8: other leagues, you know, sometime in the I would say
45:50
Speaker 8: relatively near future, maybe five years or so, where you
45:55
Speaker 8: hardly see very many at largely, we might not have
45:58
Speaker 8: more than five that large teams from outside the major
46:03
Speaker 8: conferences this year. In fact, I'll be surprised if it
46:05
Speaker 8: gets to five.
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Speaker 4: How many how many more years before you and I
46:10
Speaker 4: get to talk about Utah basketball being back in the bracket.
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Speaker 8: You know, Utah, I don't know what's going on there.
46:22
Speaker 8: The Big Twelve is very competitive. Utah has always been
46:26
Speaker 8: kind of a proud basketball school, so I don't know
46:31
Speaker 8: if it's you know, poor decision making in terms of
46:35
Speaker 8: how they're spending money or not getting enough money and
46:37
Speaker 8: debuilding it to basketball while still trying to stay competitive
46:41
Speaker 8: in football. I don't know Utah basketball closely well enough
46:48
Speaker 8: to say for sure, but they should be getting resources
46:53
Speaker 8: like the rest of the teams in their league. And
46:56
Speaker 8: it's one thing to have money and another thing to
46:58
Speaker 8: spend it. Wifely.
46:59
Speaker 4: Well, we'll keep our fingers crossed that it's sooner than later.
47:02
Speaker 4: Jerry can't tell you how much I appreciate your time.
47:04
Speaker 4: I know that it's it's a busy few well couple
47:07
Speaker 4: of months now ahead of you, So thanks very.
47:09
Speaker 8: Much, so sure any times.
47:12
Speaker 4: Jerry Palm palmbrackets dot Com, one of the best bracketologists
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Speaker 4: you're gonna find and an encyclopedia of college hoops knowledge.
47:21
Speaker 4: Well done, James getting Jerry Palm on the show today.
47:24
Speaker 4: Big thanks to Jerry for joining us. Hot lunch is next,
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Speaker 3: What do you have coming up this weekend?
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Speaker 10: This weekend, obviously football is over, but Sunday we have
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Speaker 4: All right, I need you to be honest with me
49:56
Speaker 4: right now, because we all we assign, you know, we
49:59
Speaker 4: pick our passions when it comes to the Olympic competitions.
50:03
Speaker 4: And you're a big, strong guy, but I know you
50:06
Speaker 4: love the ice dancing.
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Speaker 3: Be honest with me.
50:09
Speaker 4: What is what is the Olympic Winter Olympic event that
50:12
Speaker 4: you're like obviously you're not watching it, but once every
50:15
Speaker 4: four years that that really gets you.
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Speaker 10: So I can't say that Bob slid, you can. I
50:21
Speaker 10: like the Bob slid. I do like the double luge.
50:24
Speaker 10: It's very it's very odd.
50:26
Speaker 3: Nobody likes that. It's so strange. I mean, if they crash,
50:29
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a disaster.
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Speaker 4: It's just why why didn't need to we get it?
50:34
Speaker 4: You're going fast? Honestly, does the person do what does
50:37
Speaker 4: the top person.
50:38
Speaker 10: Do does the weight make it go faster? Like, I
50:41
Speaker 10: don't get it.
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Speaker 4: It's it makes me feel like the sport was invented
50:45
Speaker 4: by someone who did the luge, and they had like
50:49
Speaker 4: a kid who was too big to be like can
50:52
Speaker 4: I sit on your lap and go down with you?
50:54
Speaker 4: And there's like fine, doesn't know how to say no
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Speaker 4: to They're like twelve year old, and they then they realized, holy,
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Speaker 4: this makes me go faster.
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Speaker 3: We should do it. Doubles louge, there's no.
51:05
Speaker 10: Or the person that came in second and just threw
51:06
Speaker 10: that big of a fit and he's like, I'm just
51:08
Speaker 10: getting on top.
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Speaker 3: We're going down together.
51:10
Speaker 4: We're going can't beat them, join them literally all right, Yeah,
51:14
Speaker 4: you had to make bigger sleds and everything.
51:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so.
51:16
Speaker 10: Doubles luge, Yeah, doubles luge. Right, what do you like
51:20
Speaker 10: to watch Michelle figure skating? Michelle likes to figure skating.
51:24
Speaker 3: She loves the outfits.
51:26
Speaker 4: We were talking about the outfits before we came on
51:29
Speaker 4: the air. We should if we had a little more foresight,
51:33
Speaker 4: we should have found somebody to make us some figure
51:35
Speaker 4: skating outfits and warn those in for the Olympic broadcasts.
51:39
Speaker 10: Yes, or just dress up in our comic con outfits.
51:43
Speaker 4: Yes, in the same like thet We were talking about
51:47
Speaker 4: it casually the other day. One of the couples was
51:49
Speaker 4: dressed in costumes from the movie Dune, and I was
51:53
Speaker 4: watching it on mute here in the studio.
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Speaker 3: People heard you. If you're listening to the show, you
51:57
Speaker 3: heard me talking about it. All they look like done outfits.
51:59
Speaker 4: Then I watched the repel on Primetime and they were
52:01
Speaker 4: Dune outfits on purpose. It was doune music and Dune outfits.
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Speaker 4: I was like, this is unseerious. You can't go to
52:07
Speaker 4: an Olympic competition and be like I want to.
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Speaker 3: I want to addresses Luke Skywalker. What place was that
52:13
Speaker 3: group in are they in?
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Speaker 10: First?
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Speaker 3: No? No?
52:18
Speaker 4: I feel like if you want to win and like
52:21
Speaker 4: be serious about the medals, you have to be kind
52:23
Speaker 4: of mean and scary looking right like that French couple.
52:28
Speaker 3: Beautiful scary people, Yeah.
52:30
Speaker 4: Right, controversial by the way, Yeah, bribing the judges or
52:34
Speaker 4: extorting the judges. But the point is you can watch
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52:56
Speaker 4: Anything else I'm missing? I think that's it for the week. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: just come down. The Olympic environment at the bar is awesome.
53:04
Speaker 4: Everyone's cheering for whatever country they come from. Most of
53:08
Speaker 4: it's here in the US, but it's it's a good
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Speaker 4: vibe and and it's you know, it only happens every
53:13
Speaker 4: four years, so come down and enjoy it in a
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Speaker 4: group setting. How are the Greeks at the Winter Olympics.
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Speaker 4: I we delivered the torch. I mean, what else do
53:22
Speaker 4: you guys want? Well, I mean Patrick is Greek, but
53:26
Speaker 4: like you guys invented the Olympics. But the Winter Olympics
53:30
Speaker 4: feels like there's probably not a lot of Greek success
53:32
Speaker 4: in the winter.
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Speaker 10: No, I don't think we had much say with sports.
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Speaker 3: Is there any snow even in Greece? I don't know, No,
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Speaker 4: I wanted the whole pile of tachos to myself.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not mad about it at all.
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Speaker 5: Still, Yeah, it's okay, it's your prerogative.
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Speaker 4: I said, I'm grateful when you do have the headphones on,
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Speaker 4: At check. Yes this is vitamin C. Yes it is
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Speaker 4: a song that if you listen to the lyrics and
55:25
Speaker 4: you're from a very specific age group of the millennial generation,
55:31
Speaker 4: it probably makes you a little melancholy.
55:33
Speaker 3: It makes you feel a little sad. It's a goodbye song.
55:37
Speaker 4: And we're being melodramatic about the fact that our next guest,
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Speaker 4: Andy Larson, is uh he's switching roles. Instead of being
55:46
Speaker 4: trip Jazz, instead of being the Utah Jazz insider, he's
55:49
Speaker 4: going to be continuing and focusing his work on the
55:53
Speaker 4: data the data column.
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Speaker 3: We'll let him explain more of it.
55:57
Speaker 4: But uh, yeah, saying goodbye to the sports version of
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Speaker 4: Andy B.
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Speaker 8: Larson.
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Speaker 3: Andy, welcome to the show. How are you good man?
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Speaker 11: I like, my millennial era is a little younger than
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Speaker 11: Vitamin C. So I was just like, oh yeah, oh,
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Speaker 11: SE's bringing in the show with some pacovall cannon all
56:17
Speaker 11: right like this and I don't know if that I
56:20
Speaker 11: don't know what that means about me, but yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah this was Uh.
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Speaker 4: So, I graduated in two and that song I think
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Speaker 4: released in the United States in two thousand, so that
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Speaker 4: was like everyone's graduation song. It was that and it
56:34
Speaker 4: was Time of Your Life by Green Day, where they
56:36
Speaker 4: both came out around that time, and it was just like, man,
56:39
Speaker 4: those those those are the tear jerker songs of my generation.
56:44
Speaker 11: I mean I remember like Green Day, like that was
56:46
Speaker 11: that hit for us in middle school, like because I.
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Speaker 9: Graduated in eight.
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Speaker 11: Okay, so yeah, like that, you know that was like
56:53
Speaker 11: kind of right in that timeline. But I don't know
56:56
Speaker 11: the kids were not listening to Vitamin C.
56:58
Speaker 3: I don't think it's fine.
57:00
Speaker 4: It's totally fine, all right, So before you move on
57:04
Speaker 4: to your life in the data world full time, the
57:08
Speaker 4: Utah Jazz. It's fun to see you, you know, picking
57:11
Speaker 4: fights on Twitter. I like that going out with a bang.
57:14
Speaker 4: And we had Bobby Marks on the show yesterday and
57:17
Speaker 4: I tried to push back on his comments about the
57:19
Speaker 4: integrity of the NBA being threatened by the Utah Jazz,
57:23
Speaker 4: and obviously the NBA piles on with a five hundred
57:25
Speaker 4: thousand dollars fine for conduct detrimental to the league. I
57:32
Speaker 4: was ranting about this earlier. I am never reasonable with
57:35
Speaker 4: my takes and my responses.
57:37
Speaker 3: Are you give me.
57:39
Speaker 4: The reasonable take on how we should feel about what
57:42
Speaker 4: the NBA is doing right now with the Utah Jazz.
57:46
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean they're trying to send a message, right,
57:50
Speaker 11: And when you do something just to send a message,
57:55
Speaker 11: you know, the likelihood that you are correctly applying justice
58:00
Speaker 11: is pretty low, and I think that's what we're seeing. Like,
58:03
Speaker 11: I think the Jazz have become the face of this
58:05
Speaker 11: thinking issue for a couple of reasons. One, like, they
58:08
Speaker 11: just have been doing it for a long time, right,
58:11
Speaker 11: Like the Jazz traded Mike Conley in Lowry's first season
58:16
Speaker 11: with the Jazz, right that was four years ago now,
58:18
Speaker 11: and they tanked out the rest of that year. They
58:20
Speaker 11: tanked out the rest of the next year. Obviously there
58:23
Speaker 11: was some significant thinking last year, and you know, yeah,
58:25
Speaker 11: we're in year four of this, and then, you know,
58:28
Speaker 11: I do think like the strategy of sitting, of playing
58:31
Speaker 11: guys for three quarters and sitting them in the fourth
58:34
Speaker 11: is a you know, it's certainly if the Jazz aren't
58:36
Speaker 11: the only ones to do it, but you know, it
58:39
Speaker 11: is a very obvious way to tank in a way
58:43
Speaker 11: that sometimes just sitting a guy and not seeing him
58:46
Speaker 11: at all is a little bit more subtle. Now that
58:49
Speaker 11: being said, Like, I think you're right, You've made argument
58:52
Speaker 11: on this show, and I agree with you that, Like, yeah,
58:53
Speaker 11: playing the guy for three quarters is obviously better than
58:56
Speaker 11: not playing him at all, you know, but it is
58:59
Speaker 11: just different, and so it attracts the eye in a
59:01
Speaker 11: different way. And so yeah, the Jazz became the face
59:04
Speaker 11: of this issue. But it does not make sense, you know,
59:07
Speaker 11: given that we know nine other NBA teams are tanking
59:11
Speaker 11: and doing things that are are pretty egregious.
59:14
Speaker 9: And you know Will's.
59:16
Speaker 11: Press conference comment last night that hey, Larry.
59:19
Speaker 9: Marketing market in was on a minute restriction. I'm going
59:22
Speaker 9: to listen to my.
59:23
Speaker 11: Medical staff and playing him is a little bit disingenuous.
59:26
Speaker 11: But also like, so is the idea that Anthony Davis
59:29
Speaker 11: or Trey Young can't play basketball right now? Right Like
59:31
Speaker 11: the medical staffs have always.
59:33
Speaker 9: Made up injuries. So yeah, look, you know.
59:37
Speaker 11: I think the league is is trying to solve a
59:39
Speaker 11: problem that they can't solve with fining, and they got
59:42
Speaker 11: to figure out what it is about their incentive structure
59:46
Speaker 11: that causes teams to want to do this and and
59:50
Speaker 11: solve that right like, and uh, you know, five hundred
59:54
Speaker 11: thousand dollars fines here and there just aren't going to
59:56
Speaker 11: cut it.
59:57
Speaker 4: I know I've asked you this question before, but have
59:59
Speaker 4: you I've seen a proposal on how to combat tanking
1:00:02
Speaker 4: that actually makes sense for the NBA.
1:00:07
Speaker 11: There's you know, there are a couple out there, and
1:00:09
Speaker 11: I think they have kind.
1:00:11
Speaker 9: Of different strengths and weaknesses. I kind of like one
1:00:14
Speaker 9: that I.
1:00:14
Speaker 11: Heard recently that breaks the season up into kind of
1:00:19
Speaker 11: different sections. So you could say the way that would
1:00:24
Speaker 11: work is before the All Star break, you play, let's
1:00:28
Speaker 11: call it, fifty eight games, two against every opponent, and
1:00:34
Speaker 11: then you know, you rank the teams. That way, you
1:00:36
Speaker 11: have a kind of a regular season, and the top
1:00:39
Speaker 11: ten teams that are playing for playoff spots for the
1:00:42
Speaker 11: remaining twenty five games, the team, the middle team ten
1:00:47
Speaker 11: teams are playing in the play in tournament and to
1:00:49
Speaker 11: try to get into the play in spots. And then
1:00:52
Speaker 11: the bottom ten teams, as ranked by this first fifty
1:00:54
Speaker 11: eight game regular season, are playing for a draft pick
1:00:58
Speaker 11: or you know, the winner of the act twenty five
1:01:01
Speaker 11: games late of games of schedule, I guess get ad
1:01:07
Speaker 11: to bonsor Darren Peterson or Cambuser or whatever.
1:01:10
Speaker 9: I think that makes a little.
1:01:11
Speaker 11: Bit of sense because then you do have, you know,
1:01:13
Speaker 11: teams basically trying to win for the entire year.
1:01:18
Speaker 9: You know, but that's not.
1:01:20
Speaker 11: Perfect either, and it's also really complicated and like no
1:01:23
Speaker 11: league has ever done anything like that and be confusing
1:01:26
Speaker 11: for fans.
1:01:27
Speaker 9: And you know, but and.
1:01:30
Speaker 11: You know, if you eliminate the draft entirely, teams get
1:01:33
Speaker 11: stuck at the bottom and you get, you know, kind
1:01:34
Speaker 11: of where the English Premier League or whatever is right now,
1:01:37
Speaker 11: where you just get you know, they're they're the top six,
1:01:40
Speaker 11: and then it's hard to break into that.
1:01:44
Speaker 8: You know.
1:01:44
Speaker 11: I think if you just say, hey, you know, Adam
1:01:47
Speaker 11: Silver suggested a tournament at the end of the year
1:01:49
Speaker 11: for teams to see who gets a topick, you know,
1:01:53
Speaker 11: I could see teams kind of tinking out of the
1:01:56
Speaker 11: playoffs in order to try to make their way into
1:01:58
Speaker 11: that tournament. That's no good.
1:02:00
Speaker 3: I mean, I have a way we could fix that.
1:02:02
Speaker 9: I could really solid answer here.
1:02:04
Speaker 3: I have a way we could fix that.
1:02:06
Speaker 4: This this is my proposal for how you you make
1:02:10
Speaker 4: that tournament more of like a you keep competitive integrity
1:02:14
Speaker 4: in that tournament, right, like if you played for the
1:02:17
Speaker 4: right to have the top pick. But I agree some
1:02:21
Speaker 4: teams would tank their way into that tournament to try
1:02:23
Speaker 4: to get the top pick. Right, So you make a
1:02:26
Speaker 4: rule in that tournament. That for the Pick tournament, that
1:02:31
Speaker 4: your players are available for whatever percentage of the regular
1:02:35
Speaker 4: season they played in that tournament. So if you if
1:02:40
Speaker 4: you had a guy miss fifty percent of the regular season,
1:02:43
Speaker 4: he can only play fifty percent of the minutes in
1:02:45
Speaker 4: that tournament.
1:02:47
Speaker 9: Okay, I like that. I guess then, like, if a
1:02:51
Speaker 9: guy has.
1:02:52
Speaker 11: A legitimate knee injury or whatever, then you're kind of
1:02:55
Speaker 11: out of luck for the second But that's fine, I guess. Okay,
1:03:00
Speaker 11: So let's say, yeah, Walker Kestler is out with the
1:03:04
Speaker 11: shoulder injury and doesn't play two months in the regular season,
1:03:08
Speaker 11: then he doesn't get to play half of.
1:03:09
Speaker 9: The Picks tournament. I guess yeah, I guess that's not
1:03:13
Speaker 9: that big of a deal. I don't know.
1:03:15
Speaker 4: Well, then you're you're you're double punished for legitimate injuries,
1:03:19
Speaker 4: which kind of stinks, but you're also double punished for
1:03:22
Speaker 4: fake injuries, which bounces it out.
1:03:24
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
1:03:26
Speaker 4: I would get on board with it because it's my
1:03:28
Speaker 4: own idea. So you're welcome, NBA.
1:03:32
Speaker 11: It's not crazy, and you know, just the status quo
1:03:35
Speaker 11: can't be this way, right like, and I do think
1:03:39
Speaker 11: you know it's there is an element of now, Oklahoma
1:03:44
Speaker 11: City and San Antonio are the best position teams in
1:03:47
Speaker 11: the league, and they are, you know, kind of trying
1:03:49
Speaker 11: to pull the ladder up from under them to the
1:03:52
Speaker 11: system that they use to get where they are. But
1:03:56
Speaker 11: it's it just can't you know what you have now
1:04:00
Speaker 11: when you have nine or ten teams. Tanking means that
1:04:03
Speaker 11: over half of your games are worthless and pointless, you know,
1:04:06
Speaker 11: like are not good product for the league. And you know,
1:04:11
Speaker 11: if you're selling your product to MBA, you know, the
1:04:15
Speaker 11: broadcasters for billions of dollars each year. They want something
1:04:19
Speaker 11: that people are interested in turning into. And when half
1:04:22
Speaker 11: of your games are worthless, you know they're they're not
1:04:24
Speaker 11: going to.
1:04:26
Speaker 4: Andy Larson is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
1:04:29
Speaker 4: talking about the NBA's issues that the Jazz have become
1:04:32
Speaker 4: the face of with the soul tanking situation. What happens
1:04:36
Speaker 4: if Ryan Smith says, I'm not paying five hundred grand
1:04:39
Speaker 4: for doing something that everyone else is doing. Is there
1:04:42
Speaker 4: any any way you can push back without having it
1:04:45
Speaker 4: be bad for the franchise?
1:04:49
Speaker 11: It would be in like the NBA's you know, governor
1:04:54
Speaker 11: contract that I don't think is public.
1:04:57
Speaker 9: I do know that like MBA cannot sue the NBA.
1:05:03
Speaker 11: You know, that's that's part of the deal of having
1:05:05
Speaker 11: an NBA franchise, and in the same way that like
1:05:08
Speaker 11: McDonald's franchise owners can't sue McDonald's or I don't even
1:05:12
Speaker 11: know if that's actually true, but you know, it's just
1:05:14
Speaker 11: in that contract. So I suspect they probably legally just
1:05:17
Speaker 11: do have to pay this fine.
1:05:19
Speaker 9: And there's not a whole lot they can do about it.
1:05:21
Speaker 3: That's annoying. I don't like that.
1:05:25
Speaker 4: The Jared Jackson junior timing with the shutdown was I mean, pointed,
1:05:33
Speaker 4: felt conspicuous. But then you look up this knee injury
1:05:36
Speaker 4: that I was not aware of previously, despite an entire
1:05:39
Speaker 4: professional lifetime of covering sports and pro sports, and it's like, okay, yeah,
1:05:44
Speaker 4: this is like it's a thing and the correction for
1:05:48
Speaker 4: this thing is surgery. Did they really need to shut
1:05:53
Speaker 4: him down with a legitimate knee cleanup or could he
1:05:56
Speaker 4: have played through this for the rest of the year.
1:06:00
Speaker 11: I think he probably could have played through it. I
1:06:02
Speaker 11: mean that was something we asked Austin am yesterday and
1:06:05
Speaker 11: he said, look, you know it's we decided that it
1:06:08
Speaker 11: was an.
1:06:09
Speaker 9: Issue that needed surgery, and.
1:06:12
Speaker 11: It makes sense to do it as soon as possible
1:06:14
Speaker 11: rather than risk it getting worse. And I think that
1:06:16
Speaker 11: that totally makes sense, right, like, given where the Jazz are,
1:06:20
Speaker 11: even if you know, even if they weren't trying to
1:06:23
Speaker 11: lose games, they were just kind of in a period
1:06:25
Speaker 11: of development or you know, just you know, you're out
1:06:28
Speaker 11: of playoff position. I think even ten fifteen years ago,
1:06:32
Speaker 11: they still would have had Jared Jackson Junior get the surgery.
1:06:35
Speaker 3: Now, I think.
1:06:35
Speaker 11: Maybe fifteen years ago they tried to bring him back
1:06:39
Speaker 11: to the last two weeks of the season in a
1:06:40
Speaker 11: way that I don't think will happen this year because
1:06:43
Speaker 11: it is kind of a minor surgery.
1:06:44
Speaker 9: It's kind of a arthroscopic.
1:06:45
Speaker 11: It sounds like kind of a four to six week
1:06:47
Speaker 11: out kind of thing rather than a eight to twelve
1:06:50
Speaker 11: week out kind of thing. But yeah, you know, I
1:06:53
Speaker 11: think it is a real thing. It's funny. I was
1:06:56
Speaker 11: reading some Memphis Grizzly fans online that were like, how
1:06:59
Speaker 11: did our medical staff KNO gives us jess Pat Darren
1:07:01
Speaker 11: Jackson Junior for a week and all of a sudden
1:07:03
Speaker 11: they've discovered this chronic issue that needs treatment, which I
1:07:07
Speaker 11: agree the Grizzlies medical staffs has some egg on their
1:07:10
Speaker 11: face about this, but you know, it does seem to
1:07:13
Speaker 11: be a It's one of those things that it's good
1:07:16
Speaker 11: that the Jazz found in the MRI. And you can
1:07:19
Speaker 11: tell how serious it was by the fact that they
1:07:21
Speaker 11: did allow him to play the three games that he
1:07:23
Speaker 11: got to play after they discovered it. But yes, and
1:07:27
Speaker 11: then you know, take care of it now, allow him
1:07:30
Speaker 11: to have the full off season to train and get
1:07:32
Speaker 11: better and rest and all that and come back next year.
1:07:36
Speaker 11: It does just kind of make sense for all parties evolved.
1:07:39
Speaker 4: Okay, what is the path forward for the Utah Jazz
1:07:43
Speaker 4: knowing that when you play everybody you're too good to
1:07:46
Speaker 4: keep your pick, probably, but wanting desperately to keep that pick,
1:07:50
Speaker 4: and especially now wanting to throw the double birds to
1:07:53
Speaker 4: Oklahoma City who is playing Tattletale and maybe put some
1:07:56
Speaker 4: of this pressure on you. You especially need to keep
1:07:59
Speaker 4: that pick now. But it's like you know when you
1:08:03
Speaker 4: tell your kid, hey, the next person who throws a
1:08:06
Speaker 4: punch is getting a spanking, and then that kid's like,
1:08:10
Speaker 4: oh crap, now I really can't do anything wrong because
1:08:12
Speaker 4: mom or dad is watching me. You've already been punished
1:08:15
Speaker 4: for this tank once and you still need to continue
1:08:19
Speaker 4: it in like the I guess accepted manner. What does
1:08:23
Speaker 4: that look like for the Utah Jazz.
1:08:26
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean that's kind of what I tried to
1:08:27
Speaker 11: ask Will Hardy last night, and I thought it was
1:08:29
Speaker 11: pretty clear in his answer that the Jazz are going
1:08:31
Speaker 11: to continue tanking in.
1:08:32
Speaker 9: The way that they see best fit.
1:08:34
Speaker 11: I mean, I I five hundred thousand dollars to an
1:08:39
Speaker 11: NBA franchise worth four point one billion dollars.
1:08:42
Speaker 9: It's just not that much.
1:08:43
Speaker 11: It was something actually the players were joking about in
1:08:46
Speaker 11: the locker room after the game yesterday, like this to
1:08:49
Speaker 11: Ryan Smith, is not actually that big of a large
1:08:52
Speaker 11: amount of money. I mean, they got three million dollars
1:08:55
Speaker 11: for example, in the Jock Landale trade, which I don't
1:08:58
Speaker 11: think you know happened to last and I don't know
1:09:00
Speaker 11: that there are a lot of.
1:09:01
Speaker 9: Jazz fans I remember that.
1:09:02
Speaker 11: So that'll take care of a few fines there, you know,
1:09:05
Speaker 11: like this is this is a rounding error in the
1:09:09
Speaker 11: NBA spectrum, so I you know, even if they escalate
1:09:13
Speaker 11: these fines to a million dollars or then the player
1:09:16
Speaker 11: Participation policy says you escalate it by a quarter million
1:09:19
Speaker 11: every fine, and oh yep, and seven finds from now
1:09:22
Speaker 11: the Jazz will be fined two million dollars. And it's
1:09:25
Speaker 11: just like, well, you know, how much are you currently
1:09:28
Speaker 11: paying for a j debonsa Frankly while he plays for BYU.
1:09:32
Speaker 9: So you look, I do not think that this will
1:09:36
Speaker 9: change the jazz is behavior.
1:09:38
Speaker 11: And again that's one another thing that makes us so
1:09:41
Speaker 11: ludicrous and just absurd is these fines won't do anything.
1:09:45
Speaker 11: You know, Adam Silver can shake the rattle and say, ah,
1:09:48
Speaker 11: you're threatening the integrity of the NBA.
1:09:50
Speaker 9: And it's just like, all right, bro, well.
1:09:53
Speaker 11: We're gonna keep doing this because that's the system is
1:09:56
Speaker 11: just a joke.
1:10:00
Speaker 4: We haven't talked about the Pacers and their one hundred
1:10:03
Speaker 4: thousand dollars fine and the clear distinction between the way
1:10:08
Speaker 4: the Pacers conduct their business in the way the Utah
1:10:11
Speaker 4: Jazz conduct their business. I mean, will will more teams
1:10:15
Speaker 4: if you're going to do it to the Jazz and
1:10:17
Speaker 4: there are, like you said, ten teams doing it, are
1:10:20
Speaker 4: more teams going to find themselves in the crosshairs? Of
1:10:22
Speaker 4: the NBA, or is this like the message being sent
1:10:25
Speaker 4: to everyone and the Jazz just have to be the
1:10:29
Speaker 4: the bullied team right now?
1:10:32
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know.
1:10:33
Speaker 11: I don't think that the statement and the fine landed
1:10:38
Speaker 11: last night and today the.
1:10:39
Speaker 9: Way that the NBA thought it would.
1:10:41
Speaker 11: I mean, I thought I saw a lot of pushback
1:10:44
Speaker 11: on social media, and then I'm seeing a lot of
1:10:47
Speaker 11: pushback among like NBA kind of official platforms today right
1:10:52
Speaker 11: like on ESPN, on from like Amazon Prime commentators like
1:10:56
Speaker 11: there's a real sense in this in this find that
1:10:59
Speaker 11: like that the NBA kind of did screw the Jazz
1:11:03
Speaker 11: a little bit in a way that was unfair.
1:11:05
Speaker 9: And I don't you.
1:11:06
Speaker 11: Know, there's I think a lot of conversation about how
1:11:09
Speaker 11: the league can fix this, But I don't think like
1:11:12
Speaker 11: everyone was like, oh, yes, justice has been done here,
1:11:15
Speaker 11: well done NBA. Adam Silver finally growing a backbone to
1:11:18
Speaker 11: the issues of the league. You know, it's like everyone's
1:11:21
Speaker 11: gonna making fun of Adam Silver here he looks pretty bad,
1:11:25
Speaker 11: and then he's gonna have a press conference during All
1:11:28
Speaker 11: Star weekend where he's going to.
1:11:29
Speaker 9: Be asked about that.
1:11:30
Speaker 11: So I would not be surprised if there are continued
1:11:35
Speaker 11: finds moving forward.
1:11:36
Speaker 9: But kind of limited finds moving for Like, I.
1:11:38
Speaker 11: Don't think that they're going to have an eagle eye
1:11:41
Speaker 11: on every instance of this, And yes, that means that
1:11:44
Speaker 11: they are probably treating the Jazz differently than the other teams,
1:11:47
Speaker 11: but like, it's just not a big pr win for
1:11:51
Speaker 11: them to have a new tanking fine every day that
1:11:53
Speaker 11: makes the league look awful.
1:11:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's that at least.
1:11:59
Speaker 4: So give me give me some insight on the decision
1:12:03
Speaker 4: making process you went through personally to abdicate your throne
1:12:09
Speaker 4: as the jazz writer and move into the data world
1:12:13
Speaker 4: more consistently.
1:12:16
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's I you know, I love
1:12:20
Speaker 11: the jazz and this has been my dream job, right,
1:12:22
Speaker 11: Like I grew up reading the Tribute and reading the
1:12:25
Speaker 11: jazz coverage there, like with my breakfast cereal when I
1:12:28
Speaker 11: was like in high school, and to be able to
1:12:31
Speaker 11: like go around the country and watch basketball games for
1:12:33
Speaker 11: my job has been a dream come true. It also
1:12:36
Speaker 11: is a crazy life, and it is a lot of travel,
1:12:41
Speaker 11: and it is insane hours and you don't get very
1:12:44
Speaker 11: much sleep and you end up eating you know, like
1:12:47
Speaker 11: weird Tgi Friday's meals that you know, I posted the
1:12:51
Speaker 11: pictures of me when I started this job, when I
1:12:53
Speaker 11: was twenty two, and what I look like now when
1:12:55
Speaker 11: I'm thirty four, and I look like I've aged thirty
1:12:59
Speaker 11: five years.
1:12:59
Speaker 9: You know, I look like I'm fifty now.
1:13:02
Speaker 11: So you know, I think like just living a healthier lifestyle,
1:13:07
Speaker 11: developing relationships in my world with friends and family and
1:13:11
Speaker 11: what you know, I think I'm really excited for. And
1:13:14
Speaker 11: then I'm excited to like kind of open my fear
1:13:18
Speaker 11: of interest. You know, Like I love basketball for sure,
1:13:21
Speaker 11: and sports will always be an important part of who
1:13:24
Speaker 11: I am. I love competition, I love everything about it.
1:13:29
Speaker 11: The last four years of covering the Jazz have been a.
1:13:32
Speaker 9: Little bit mundane, have been a little.
1:13:34
Speaker 11: Bit you know, not every day was as interesting as
1:13:38
Speaker 11: yesterday was. And so I'm excited to kind of get
1:13:41
Speaker 11: to use my curiosity, my analytical skills on other things
1:13:48
Speaker 11: in the world, whether that's you know, I think it
1:13:51
Speaker 11: can be politics sometimes I don't think it wanted to
1:13:53
Speaker 11: be all the time. I want it to be about
1:13:57
Speaker 11: kind of issues that matter to Utahon's and from Like
1:14:02
Speaker 11: I'm doing an article right now on airfare costs from
1:14:04
Speaker 11: Salt Lake City's airport, healthcare.
1:14:07
Speaker 9: I mean, all this.
1:14:08
Speaker 11: All kind of random stuff that happens in our world
1:14:11
Speaker 11: that matters to people.
1:14:11
Speaker 9: So yeah, I'm honestly really looking forward to it.
1:14:15
Speaker 4: Well, I'm very much looking forward to the airfare one,
1:14:18
Speaker 4: like I travel a lot, and that's one I'm very
1:14:22
Speaker 4: very interested in.
1:14:22
Speaker 3: So when is that coming out?
1:14:25
Speaker 11: It's I think in two weeks is the current plan,
1:14:29
Speaker 11: which I know now you've got to wait for that,
1:14:31
Speaker 11: but yeah, that's what we.
1:14:33
Speaker 3: Got, all right. I like it.
1:14:35
Speaker 4: I mean, we appreciate the work that you've done obviously
1:14:39
Speaker 4: on the Jazz Beat and all the contributions you've given
1:14:43
Speaker 4: to this show and to every other show that I've
1:14:44
Speaker 4: done over the years that I've known you, and obviously
1:14:47
Speaker 4: wish you luck.
1:14:47
Speaker 3: But hopefully we still see you around.
1:14:49
Speaker 4: Hopefully every once in a while we can still reach
1:14:52
Speaker 4: out and make up a reason to talk to you
1:14:54
Speaker 4: here on the air.
1:14:56
Speaker 11: Yeah, man, I was first of all, I'm not going away.
1:15:00
Speaker 11: I also cover some jazz games. I'll still help out,
1:15:02
Speaker 11: you know. It's just kind of going from a major
1:15:05
Speaker 11: focus to the minor focus. And then I was telling
1:15:07
Speaker 11: Spence the other day, like, YESPM seven hundred has been
1:15:10
Speaker 11: a huge part of my story, right, Like I hosted
1:15:12
Speaker 11: the Saltity Hoops show on the station, and you know,
1:15:15
Speaker 11: the chance to talk to you guys on a weekly
1:15:18
Speaker 11: basis and all the time. And heck, I have enjoyed
1:15:21
Speaker 11: my friendship with you, like it's this has been uh,
1:15:24
Speaker 11: it's you guys have given me a lot. So I
1:15:26
Speaker 11: want to thank you and obviously your listeners for that too.
1:15:29
Speaker 4: Well, the relationship will continue and we do appreciate you,
1:15:33
Speaker 4: and good luck and.
1:15:33
Speaker 3: We'll chat agin soon.
1:15:36
Speaker 9: Sounds good. Thanks man.
1:15:37
Speaker 4: Andy Larson or as I affectionately referred to him, Andy
1:15:41
Speaker 4: Blarson because it's Andy B. Larson on Twitter. He's really
1:15:46
Speaker 4: really good at what he does. And I know he'll
1:15:48
Speaker 4: be really really good focusing more on the data side
1:15:51
Speaker 4: of things. And yes, I will be eagerly awaiting what
1:15:55
Speaker 4: he can find with the uh the airfare costs traveling
1:15:59
Speaker 4: from Salt Lakes at the airport, because I do that
1:16:01
Speaker 4: quite a lot.
1:16:02
Speaker 5: It's not been surprising, but it has been really cool
1:16:06
Speaker 5: since since the pandemic. As he as he just mentioned,
1:16:10
Speaker 5: he's been doing a data column for the Trib just
1:16:14
Speaker 5: every once in a while kind of thing. I guess
1:16:16
Speaker 5: it was once a week UH for at the most anyway,
1:16:20
Speaker 5: it's not been surprising how good those have been because
1:16:23
Speaker 5: he is data is his thing. He knows how to
1:16:26
Speaker 5: analyze data. He's a he's a he was a math
1:16:29
Speaker 5: major in college, so he knows he knows numbers and data.
1:16:34
Speaker 5: And that's what one of the unique things he brought
1:16:37
Speaker 5: to his NBA coverage right before it was really this
1:16:40
Speaker 5: huge analytics UH driven revolution in the NBA. He was
1:16:45
Speaker 5: one of the writers as a blogger bringing that kind
1:16:48
Speaker 5: of bringing that side of things to the league. But
1:16:52
Speaker 5: it had it's been fascinating to see him write things
1:16:55
Speaker 5: other than sports in those data calumns and go, oh
1:16:58
Speaker 5: my gosh, he's incredible at this too, right, and how
1:17:03
Speaker 5: just how interesting and entertaining those stories and informedive those
1:17:07
Speaker 5: stories can be too, those columns can be. So I'm
1:17:09
Speaker 5: looking forward to the full time data columns from Andy
1:17:13
Speaker 5: as well.
1:17:16
Speaker 4: This coming in on the text line from ninety four
1:17:18
Speaker 4: to twenty one. Look at what the PWHL that's Women
1:17:23
Speaker 4: Talky New League does for tanking. Once the team is
1:17:25
Speaker 4: eliminated from the playoffs, they can start accumulating draft points.
1:17:29
Speaker 4: The eliminated teams with the most points get the top
1:17:32
Speaker 4: draft picks. So in that case, you're trying to be
1:17:35
Speaker 4: the best of the worst.
1:17:38
Speaker 3: Interesting, it's still.
1:17:41
Speaker 5: If I mean, they probably aren't trying to tank out
1:17:45
Speaker 5: of the playoffs in that league. Yet hopefully that never
1:17:49
Speaker 5: becomes the case, but it still leaves you vulnerable to
1:17:52
Speaker 5: what Andy brought up that Hey, if I'm at the
1:17:56
Speaker 5: bottom of the playoff, of the playoff picture, I'm not
1:17:59
Speaker 5: gonna and I don't feel like I have a chance
1:18:01
Speaker 5: to even make it out of the first round. I
1:18:04
Speaker 5: probably have a better chance to the number one overall pick,
1:18:06
Speaker 5: and I can be better than I was.
1:18:07
Speaker 3: Last What do you think of my minutes? Fix? I
1:18:10
Speaker 3: love that.
1:18:10
Speaker 4: Actually, if you say to teams, look, availability for this
1:18:17
Speaker 4: this pick tournament is going to be the same as
1:18:20
Speaker 4: the availability of the regular season. So if you shut
1:18:24
Speaker 4: a guy down, he's shut down for the tournament. If
1:18:27
Speaker 4: you shut a guy down halfway, he shut down for
1:18:30
Speaker 4: half of the tournament, half of the minutes in your games,
1:18:33
Speaker 4: and then you know, you gotta figure out how you're
1:18:36
Speaker 4: going to distribute those. But we're going to make this
1:18:39
Speaker 4: a reflection of the whole regular season, and if that
1:18:42
Speaker 4: guy was not available, and that's part of the reason
1:18:44
Speaker 4: you're down here in the bottom. Fine, then he's he's
1:18:48
Speaker 4: not available. I mean, teams probably wouldn't buy into it
1:18:52
Speaker 4: and would be like, well, no, what I want is
1:18:55
Speaker 4: I want to have Like remember the Golden State Warriors
1:18:58
Speaker 4: when Klay Thompson got injured and they were like, oh
1:19:01
Speaker 4: wait a second, we have like a championship roster that
1:19:05
Speaker 4: now two of our best players.
1:19:06
Speaker 3: Are hurt, yes, Steph.
1:19:08
Speaker 5: Steph breaks his hand midway through the year, and they're like,
1:19:10
Speaker 5: all right, we don't need to try to win anymore.
1:19:14
Speaker 4: So like in a case like that, you could just
1:19:16
Speaker 4: be like, all right, well, we have a less than
1:19:18
Speaker 4: ideal injury situation and we're gonna go ahead and tank
1:19:21
Speaker 4: our way into this tournament. And then oh look, Steph's
1:19:24
Speaker 4: healthy for this and now we're going to win this
1:19:26
Speaker 4: tournament and now we get the number one pick. You
1:19:28
Speaker 4: don't want that to happen, right, So how do you
1:19:30
Speaker 4: control that? How you have to put something in place
1:19:34
Speaker 4: to say, nope, if he was not available for these
1:19:36
Speaker 4: regular season games, whatever that percentage is, he's not available
1:19:40
Speaker 4: for this tournament.
1:19:41
Speaker 5: Actually, the making it minutes I think makes it a
1:19:45
Speaker 5: little bit more complicated to figure out but I also
1:19:48
Speaker 5: think it's better because when you first were saying that,
1:19:50
Speaker 5: before you finished your thought with Andy, I thought you
1:19:54
Speaker 5: I thought you were going with. And what I was
1:19:56
Speaker 5: thinking is that the amount of the percentage of games,
1:20:00
Speaker 5: then they would have to then they'd have to figure
1:20:02
Speaker 5: out they'd have to hold them out of games to
1:20:04
Speaker 5: make sure they're there later in the round, but they
1:20:07
Speaker 5: might not get there anyway. That's that's why I think
1:20:09
Speaker 5: it's harder because you say the minutes better because you
1:20:12
Speaker 5: don't have anyone holding out players for these games. If
1:20:15
Speaker 5: you do it on minutes percentage of minutes available, right,
1:20:18
Speaker 5: you know how long an NBA game is, Yeah, forty
1:20:20
Speaker 5: eight minutes.
1:20:21
Speaker 3: You don't know how.
1:20:22
Speaker 4: Many games a team's going to be able to play
1:20:24
Speaker 4: in a tournament in the regular season. You do so
1:20:27
Speaker 4: you can get you know, like, all right, he played
1:20:29
Speaker 4: forty one games, he's fifty percent available. Well, then what
1:20:33
Speaker 4: do you base it on the fifty percent of the
1:20:35
Speaker 4: entire tournament? If you make it all the way through,
1:20:37
Speaker 4: if you're the best team in the tournament, and then
1:20:39
Speaker 4: they got it just like hey, guys, sorry, but you
1:20:42
Speaker 4: left minutes on the table in that case, or you
1:20:45
Speaker 4: held them out too long and so you lost.
1:20:46
Speaker 3: Your way out of the tournament. Whatever.
1:20:48
Speaker 4: But if you're just like, hey, you missed the first
1:20:50
Speaker 4: half of the season, you can only play in the
1:20:52
Speaker 4: second half of these games.
1:20:54
Speaker 5: And you go instead of instead of going off of
1:20:57
Speaker 5: how many minutes they played in the games that they play,
1:21:00
Speaker 5: you're just saying we're assuming forty eight minutes.
1:21:03
Speaker 3: We're assuming full games. If you played in.
1:21:05
Speaker 5: A game, if your whole game, so you get you
1:21:08
Speaker 5: get twenty four minutes a game.
1:21:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I love that. We all.
1:21:13
Speaker 5: It's also not that different from like Will Hardy mentioned
1:21:18
Speaker 5: it as one of the excuses that the Jazz are
1:21:21
Speaker 5: using is that, oh, we didn't sit these guys because
1:21:25
Speaker 5: we're tanking where it's at them because they're on minutes restriction,
1:21:28
Speaker 5: which that's a normal thing in the NBA when guys
1:21:31
Speaker 5: are coming back from injury. We're used to a minutes
1:21:33
Speaker 5: restriction for star players for those things. So this would
1:21:36
Speaker 5: not be a huge detraction to be like, oh, that
1:21:39
Speaker 5: guy's on a minutes restriction.
1:21:41
Speaker 3: It's just for a completely different reason.
1:21:44
Speaker 4: If you're if your league is going to embrace load
1:21:47
Speaker 4: management and then minutes restrictions that are associated often with
1:21:51
Speaker 4: load management and then a team uses that and manipulates
1:21:56
Speaker 4: their tanking situation based on that. You you actually we
1:22:00
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1:22:04
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Speaker 5: Yeah, why are you talking so much about the figure skating?
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Speaker 5: And that's not what we care that much about.
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Speaker 4: I'm just so fascinated by all of the broadcasting dynamics
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Speaker 4: in these Olympics. We talked about Mike Turrico doing the
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Speaker 4: the first primetime show on Sunday, Super Bowl Sunday from
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Speaker 4: the field, the field.
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Speaker 5: Of the Super Bowl at San Francisco. It's got confetti
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Speaker 5: on his shoulders. It's crazy. Like now, he's obviously in Milan.
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Speaker 5: He was on the Dan Patrick Show this morning. The
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Speaker 5: guy is just the best in the business.
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Speaker 4: I got such a man crush on Mike to Rico
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Speaker 4: and his abilities, because you know, he's he's dialed in
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Speaker 4: on all these obscure sports. He manages to sound so knowledgeable,
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Speaker 4: because of my research team, and he calls him out
1:29:13
Speaker 4: by name, and he's like, he just is.
1:29:16
Speaker 3: A professional of the highest order.
1:29:18
Speaker 4: So there's that, and then there's like the other things
1:29:21
Speaker 4: that NBC is doing. One of the funniest ones that
1:29:24
Speaker 4: I've seen is that they have Snoop Dogg go in
1:29:28
Speaker 4: and give like pep talks.
1:29:29
Speaker 3: To Olympic athletes. Have you seen this?
1:29:32
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like it's it's very Jameis Winston ish.
1:29:37
Speaker 3: Okay, pep talks.
1:29:39
Speaker 4: Now, it's kind I mean, it's kind of cool because
1:29:41
Speaker 4: it's Snoop Dogg. Right, But let's say that you are
1:29:45
Speaker 4: a like twenty three year.
1:29:47
Speaker 3: Old Olympic hockey player.
1:29:51
Speaker 4: Do you really want a pep talk from a fifty
1:29:54
Speaker 4: four year old skinny pothead like that. You're an Olympian
1:30:01
Speaker 4: who your dad probably like your dad.
1:30:03
Speaker 3: Loves Snoop Dogg, and you're just like, uh, where's Travis Scott?
1:30:08
Speaker 3: Like I don't know.
1:30:09
Speaker 4: I mean, I love Snoop and I love how he's
1:30:12
Speaker 4: he has embraced He went from being like a gangster
1:30:15
Speaker 4: rapper in the early part of his career, you know,
1:30:18
Speaker 4: bleeped the police and all this stuff, to a guy
1:30:20
Speaker 4: who now is like, it's like him and Martha Stewart
1:30:23
Speaker 4: hanging out on TV. You know what I mean, He's
1:30:25
Speaker 4: embraced universally. I mean the Winter Olympics.
1:30:30
Speaker 5: I mean Martha Stewart might might embrace that first slogan too,
1:30:34
Speaker 5: considering what happened.
1:30:35
Speaker 4: Well, did you ever see do you ever see the
1:30:38
Speaker 4: roast where she was like Snoop Dogg was one of
1:30:41
Speaker 4: the panelists on the Martha Stewart roast, and she was
1:30:44
Speaker 4: like ice Cube and Snoop Dogg and she was just like,
1:30:47
Speaker 4: I'm up here with like a bunch of these guys,
1:30:49
Speaker 4: and uh, I'm the one who's done the most time.
1:30:51
Speaker 4: It's a great joke. It's a wonderful joke. But anyway,
1:30:55
Speaker 4: that's just something I wanted to point out. The wonder
1:30:58
Speaker 4: of Olympic coverage does also include Snoop Dogg giving pep
1:31:06
Speaker 4: talks for obscure and sometimes mainstream Winter Olympic sports to
1:31:11
Speaker 4: twenty somethings from all over the world who may or
1:31:14
Speaker 4: may not have ever even heard his music, And when
1:31:17
Speaker 4: you really boil it down, it's Snoop Dogg. He's never
1:31:21
Speaker 4: done any of this. Uh, it's just funny.
1:31:25
Speaker 3: I like it.
1:31:26
Speaker 5: But I love that he's in on the joke too,
1:31:28
Speaker 5: Like he doesn't he's he's just he's just being himself, right.
1:31:33
Speaker 5: Like when people said that he was starting in the
1:31:36
Speaker 5: Paris Games a couple summers ago, that he was going
1:31:40
Speaker 5: to be part of the Olympics coverage, we part, I
1:31:43
Speaker 5: think a part of all of us was like, oh no,
1:31:46
Speaker 5: they're not gonna try to have him break down what's
1:31:49
Speaker 5: going on in each of the games, like he's some
1:31:50
Speaker 5: kind of analyst, right, And he hasn't. He's just been
1:31:54
Speaker 5: the entertainment and the kind of sideline reporter, the goofy
1:31:59
Speaker 5: sideline reporter type thing, which is just perfect, perfect thing
1:32:03
Speaker 5: to add to the Olympic Games. Have you we have
1:32:07
Speaker 5: not assigned an Olympic ski jumping expert? Have we no
1:32:14
Speaker 5: missed opportunity, especially with these Milan Games? Should we get
1:32:17
Speaker 5: should I get Andy Phillips on the phone? Be like
1:32:20
Speaker 5: we are now appointing you ski jumping expert.
1:32:23
Speaker 4: Because like, I know everything about downhills, King, No, no, no, no,
1:32:25
Speaker 4: we want you talking about the flyers. Okay, there's controversy
1:32:30
Speaker 4: all over this sport this year.
1:32:32
Speaker 3: Have you seen any of this, James, I've missed it.
1:32:34
Speaker 4: Okay, you have to hell, you're in for a treat, buddy, Yeah, okay, okay,
1:32:39
Speaker 4: because three different things. Finland's coach got sent home for
1:32:44
Speaker 4: some alcohol related incident. They just sent him home from
1:32:47
Speaker 4: the games. You're just too trashed, man, Go back to
1:32:51
Speaker 4: the North Pole. You're embarrassing our country. Back to Lapland
1:32:55
Speaker 4: with you. Go hang out with the reindeers and be
1:32:57
Speaker 4: drunk up there. Okay, so they.
1:32:59
Speaker 3: Just sent Santa Will get drunk with you.
1:33:02
Speaker 4: They set the ski jumping coach home, all right, whatever,
1:33:05
Speaker 4: minor little splash in the controversy world. And this is
1:33:09
Speaker 4: where things have gotten a lot more interesting. Obviously. Ski
1:33:12
Speaker 4: jumping is one of these sports that is very very
1:33:17
Speaker 4: data driven, and they have all of these like physics analysts.
1:33:21
Speaker 4: It's about maximizing lift and reducing drag and aerodynamics and
1:33:26
Speaker 4: things like that. Because you're flying through the air, you're
1:33:29
Speaker 4: turning yourself into a glider after going off this ramp
1:33:33
Speaker 4: right and you're trying to make your body rigid in
1:33:37
Speaker 4: this certain position, et cetera, et cetera. Now there's two
1:33:40
Speaker 4: crotch related controversies happening in ski jump.
1:33:45
Speaker 3: All right.
1:33:47
Speaker 5: One that's quite a sentence though, Yes, one.
1:33:53
Speaker 4: I guess like uh, trigger warning, spoiler alerts warning to
1:33:58
Speaker 4: if you've got kids in the car right now.
1:34:00
Speaker 3: Now.
1:34:00
Speaker 4: One of these is I'll get to it in like
1:34:03
Speaker 4: two minutes. I'll do the clothing related one first, Oh, no.
1:34:07
Speaker 3: One, they are.
1:34:10
Speaker 4: They're now doing closer inspections on the ski jumper suits
1:34:14
Speaker 4: because you know how they kind of like they kind
1:34:16
Speaker 4: of like spread their legs out or whatever. People are
1:34:19
Speaker 4: adding more fabric to the crotch of their of their
1:34:24
Speaker 4: tight suits. They're like Spandex suits, so that it has
1:34:27
Speaker 4: kind of a flying squirrel effect, creates a little bit
1:34:30
Speaker 4: of a wing there between the legs, all right. And
1:34:35
Speaker 4: then there's the direct opposite thing happening. This is absolutely wild.
1:34:42
Speaker 3: Is this the one?
1:34:45
Speaker 4: This is the one where if you don't want to
1:34:47
Speaker 4: have to explain to your children some anatomically correct terms,
1:34:52
Speaker 4: then you know, turn turn the radio down right now.
1:34:55
Speaker 4: But we have to talk about this, Okay, Some competitive
1:34:59
Speaker 4: ski jumper are artificially enlarging their crotch areas, particularly male
1:35:04
Speaker 4: ski jumpers, by injecting their genitals within gorging chemicals or fluids,
1:35:14
Speaker 4: because there is some sort of physics advantage to having
1:35:18
Speaker 4: a larger bulge, a more uniform bulge in that part
1:35:22
Speaker 4: of the ski jumping outfit. You have to be married
1:35:27
Speaker 4: to the game man, if you're willing to mess with
1:35:30
Speaker 4: that in order to fly an extra two to three
1:35:34
Speaker 4: feet on the ski jump in Milano Cortina. Oh man,
1:35:39
Speaker 4: Now here's the other thing about it, right, there's that
1:35:43
Speaker 4: option where some hyper competitive and probably not as smart
1:35:47
Speaker 4: ski jumpers are artificially enlarging their crotch areas by injecting
1:35:53
Speaker 4: things into their actual bodies and sensitive nethers. And some
1:35:58
Speaker 4: other people are just doing the thing that I don't
1:36:00
Speaker 4: know the path of least resistance.
1:36:03
Speaker 3: They're just they're just stuffing some socks down there. They're
1:36:08
Speaker 3: they're just creating. They're just creating, like a making it
1:36:11
Speaker 3: bigger with some padding.
1:36:13
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm gonna go with door numbers, middle school crush.
1:36:18
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna go with door number two.
1:36:21
Speaker 4: Okay, if I'm giving the option if if the coach
1:36:24
Speaker 4: comes to me, my super drunk finished coach comes to me,
1:36:27
Speaker 4: and he's just like, that's.
1:36:29
Speaker 3: Why, that's how this came about.
1:36:30
Speaker 9: This guy.
1:36:31
Speaker 3: It was a drunken idea.
1:36:33
Speaker 6: We figured it out, dude. Science has told us we
1:36:35
Speaker 6: need to do a large crotch here. You're like, okay, well,
1:36:38
Speaker 6: all right, a couple. You just gonna roll up a
1:36:41
Speaker 6: towel to start. He's like, no, no, no, let's inject something
1:36:44
Speaker 6: in there. What coach, you're not doing it? Whoa, it's
1:36:48
Speaker 6: pretty extreme.
1:36:49
Speaker 3: Do you want the gold or not?
1:36:52
Speaker 8: Like?
1:36:52
Speaker 3: What are we doing here? All right?
1:36:55
Speaker 5: Who do I complain? Who I make a complaint to
1:36:58
Speaker 5: about how drunk my coach is? By the way, get
1:37:01
Speaker 5: him sent back home? Oh my gosh.
1:37:04
Speaker 4: Now, look who among us has not tried to figure
1:37:08
Speaker 4: out a way to be more impressive but.
1:37:12
Speaker 3: For the sake of.
1:37:12
Speaker 4: Aerodynamics on a ski jump. Not not just to impress
1:37:19
Speaker 4: whoever you're into. You're you're you're.
1:37:22
Speaker 3: Actually compressing those judges. You're trying to imagine being the guy.
1:37:30
Speaker 4: Who's just like, yeah, man, I actually I got this
1:37:33
Speaker 4: huge needle and I injected a bunch of crazy stuff
1:37:36
Speaker 4: to give me like an extra two millimeters of bulge here.
1:37:40
Speaker 4: And then some other guy walks up to you. It's
1:37:43
Speaker 4: just like, oh, I just I just rolled up a
1:37:45
Speaker 4: towel and shoved it down there.
1:37:49
Speaker 3: Same thing. Oh will, I have no regrets. You're the
1:37:52
Speaker 3: injector guy. You're just like, oh geez, why did I
1:37:55
Speaker 3: figure that? You play you? You? You play it off. Well,
1:37:59
Speaker 3: I have no regrets. All right.
1:38:01
Speaker 4: You still hey, spoiler alert, you start doing this, there
1:38:05
Speaker 4: are gonna be regrets. Okay, there's gonna be some serious,
1:38:10
Speaker 4: serious regrets.
1:38:11
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I will say this all right.
1:38:15
Speaker 4: People go to extreme extreme measures to be successful in
1:38:20
Speaker 4: whatever competitive endeavors they find. Ski jumping is one that
1:38:27
Speaker 4: the risk and reward quotient here is not nearly as
1:38:32
Speaker 4: high as it needs to be for me to be
1:38:34
Speaker 4: messing with my undercarriage.
1:38:37
Speaker 3: All right.
1:38:38
Speaker 4: If you came up to me and we're just like,
1:38:39
Speaker 4: I got a two hundred million dollar NBA contract for you,
1:38:45
Speaker 4: if you can just add some aerodynamics down there, I'm like,
1:38:49
Speaker 4: all right, well I'll consider that. That's that's a pretty
1:38:52
Speaker 4: hefty reward system. If somebody's just like, hey, you'll be
1:38:56
Speaker 4: famous for eight minutes every four years, and you'll get
1:39:00
Speaker 4: like whatever your country's gold metal bonuses, it's like fifty
1:39:04
Speaker 4: grand in most places. Or you think all you gotta
1:39:07
Speaker 4: do is inject some dubiously legal and maybe completely devastating
1:39:13
Speaker 4: chemicals into the most sensitive part of your body.
1:39:17
Speaker 3: No, I think I'm just gonna roll up a sock,
1:39:20
Speaker 3: thank you.
1:39:21
Speaker 5: And by the way, by the way, you'll get a
1:39:24
Speaker 5: you'll get a metal lanyard that doesn't stay, that doesn't
1:39:29
Speaker 5: work when you.
1:39:31
Speaker 4: Look, it will almost certainly fall off and get chipped
1:39:35
Speaker 4: and or dented while you're at the after party, which,
1:39:38
Speaker 4: by the way, at the Olympic Village after party, you're
1:39:41
Speaker 4: now out of commission, okay, because you've been injecting stuff
1:39:46
Speaker 4: and you can't you can't live the Olympic village life.
1:39:50
Speaker 3: If you know what I mean. This is all bad.
1:39:53
Speaker 3: What are we doing? Ski jumpers, you're crazy. They're calling
1:39:58
Speaker 3: it crotch gate. I mean, unbelievable.
1:40:06
Speaker 5: I was not expecting that controversy. When you said you
1:40:09
Speaker 5: were gonna clue me in on ski jumping controversy, I was.
1:40:12
Speaker 3: Not expecting to have to talk about that.
1:40:14
Speaker 4: Either a sport and a sport that's often decided by
1:40:19
Speaker 4: a matter of centimeters. Any additional hangtime could be the
1:40:23
Speaker 4: difference between gold and silver. I've actually heard a few centimeters.
1:40:27
Speaker 4: It's not that big of a deal. That's what I've
1:40:29
Speaker 4: been told. Get it, got it, got it, get it?
1:40:34
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1:40:39
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1:40:42
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Speaker 4: Shout the Mountain Home Services. Sorry to deliver that whole
1:40:57
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Speaker 4: in just a second. But I started the show ranting
1:44:44
Speaker 4: about the Utah Jazz being, in my opinion, unfairly fined
1:44:49
Speaker 4: by the NBA. And I know that I'd probably sound
1:44:52
Speaker 4: whiny occasionally on the show about all that. You know,
1:44:55
Speaker 4: why does why doesn't it work out better for us
1:44:58
Speaker 4: here in the state of Utah. Why is it happen?
1:45:00
Speaker 4: This is a very, very obvious and egregious example of
1:45:05
Speaker 4: the NBA giving preferential treatment to other teams, turning a
1:45:09
Speaker 4: blind eye to the misconduct of other teams, and choosing
1:45:13
Speaker 4: kind of the already already, you know, poor franchise from
1:45:19
Speaker 4: a talent standpoint.
1:45:20
Speaker 3: At least poor franchise.
1:45:21
Speaker 4: Utah Jazz, the small market, the the sort of ugly
1:45:25
Speaker 4: step child of the NBA right now saying Okay, yeah.
1:45:29
Speaker 3: We're gonna we're gonna take away your dinner. We hold on.
1:45:33
Speaker 4: Everyone in the house is acting crazy. I know, but
1:45:35
Speaker 4: you're the loudest, and we don't like the way that
1:45:37
Speaker 4: you're being obnoxious. But everyone's big obnoxious I know, but
1:45:41
Speaker 4: you're the only one that we're gonna really punish for it.
1:45:46
Speaker 4: There's no true justice in pro sports most of the time.
1:45:49
Speaker 4: It's not actually a democracy. It's not fair. We see
1:45:54
Speaker 4: how it is in baseball. The richest teams win more championships,
1:45:58
Speaker 4: They have the biggest payroll, and they accumulate the best
1:46:01
Speaker 4: players because of it. The NBA has a soft salary
1:46:06
Speaker 4: cap where you can spend into a luxury tax and
1:46:09
Speaker 4: do a little bit of what we see in baseball.
1:46:12
Speaker 4: But then they at least portray themselves to be more
1:46:15
Speaker 4: democratic and fair with a draft lottery system that rewards
1:46:22
Speaker 4: the worst teams in the league. The losing his teams
1:46:24
Speaker 4: in the leagues with higher levels of incoming talent through
1:46:28
Speaker 4: a draft lottery. Now, we saw the Utah Jazz end
1:46:31
Speaker 4: up on the wrong side of this last year, where
1:46:35
Speaker 4: the obvious and aggressive tanking resulted in the top lottery
1:46:40
Speaker 4: draft odds, but it still was a lottery and they
1:46:43
Speaker 4: ended up with the fifth pick instead of the first pick.
1:46:46
Speaker 4: They dropped as far as you can drop.
1:46:48
Speaker 5: And sounds like you're coming around to no conspiracy with
1:46:52
Speaker 5: the way you're talking incorrect.
1:46:53
Speaker 4: I am fully second and the Utah Jazz hope they
1:46:58
Speaker 4: would get Cooper Flag and they got acep Alien instead,
1:47:00
Speaker 4: and thankfully, Ace Bailey seems to be working out pretty
1:47:04
Speaker 4: nicely as a player. Is he going to be Cooper
1:47:05
Speaker 4: Flag at any point in his career at this juncture,
1:47:09
Speaker 4: It doesn't look like he will, but he's at least
1:47:12
Speaker 4: going to be a good player and someone that we
1:47:14
Speaker 4: will say was worth that number five pick.
1:47:16
Speaker 5: He's shown plenty of flashes of the star potential that
1:47:20
Speaker 5: everyone thought he had at the beginning of last college
1:47:23
Speaker 5: basketball season.
1:47:24
Speaker 3: For sure, and it's great to see.
1:47:25
Speaker 4: Right so, you make some lemonades and some lemonade out
1:47:29
Speaker 4: of that lemon It's cool.
1:47:30
Speaker 3: It's fine.
1:47:31
Speaker 4: Right now, the Utah Jazz find themselves in a situation
1:47:36
Speaker 4: where they have new leadership in the front office, Austin
1:47:39
Speaker 4: Ainge has said, I'm not going to do the tanking thing,
1:47:42
Speaker 4: but we know that he has to do the tanking
1:47:44
Speaker 4: thing at least to some extent, and they find a
1:47:50
Speaker 4: way to do it that is not completely novel, not unprecedented,
1:47:57
Speaker 4: but is at least unconventional in NBA circles, and unfortunately
1:48:05
Speaker 4: the NBA decides to lose its mind about this particular
1:48:08
Speaker 4: two to three game stretch. Or you now have accumulated
1:48:12
Speaker 4: through a trade, a blockbuster trade, another All Star caliber
1:48:15
Speaker 4: player and Jared Jackson Junior, and you decided that you
1:48:19
Speaker 4: were going to put him on a minute's restriction. Turns
1:48:21
Speaker 4: out he actually had a knee injury, but whatever. And
1:48:24
Speaker 4: when you pulled him in one of those games, and
1:48:25
Speaker 4: pulled Lowry Market in one of those games, you ended
1:48:27
Speaker 4: up winning the game anyway because of Bryce Sensiba. But
1:48:32
Speaker 4: the NBA was like, no, they tried to lose the game,
1:48:34
Speaker 4: so we're still going to find him again. I feel
1:48:40
Speaker 4: odd defending the practice of deliberately losing games in pro sports,
1:48:49
Speaker 4: but it is something that has been a tried and
1:48:51
Speaker 4: true and fully accepted method of competitive roster building for
1:48:58
Speaker 4: years in the end, for decades in the NBA, and
1:49:04
Speaker 4: now the Jazz have done it in a way that
1:49:06
Speaker 4: ruffled the wrong feathers. And when I say ruffled the
1:49:10
Speaker 4: wrong feathers, I specifically mean it ruffled the feathers of Betters,
1:49:17
Speaker 4: Bettors and the Oklahoma City Front Office because they want
1:49:22
Speaker 4: the Jazz's pick. And Oklahoma City is a bit of
1:49:25
Speaker 4: an NBA darling right now and apparently a lot more
1:49:29
Speaker 4: influential than the Utah Jazz, and they started their back
1:49:33
Speaker 4: channel influence to see that the Utah Jazz are not
1:49:36
Speaker 4: allowed to tank. Don't you dare keep your own pick?
1:49:42
Speaker 4: Don't you dare rob us of the ability to steal
1:49:44
Speaker 4: that pick from you? Is the stance of the Oklahoma
1:49:48
Speaker 4: City thunder And it is an embarrassment for the state
1:49:51
Speaker 4: of Utah and sports in the state of Utah right
1:49:54
Speaker 4: now that we are supposed to cow tow and defer
1:49:58
Speaker 4: to Oklahoma in any thing. Oklahoma is better at producing
1:50:07
Speaker 4: oil than Utah is, and they are better at barbecue
1:50:12
Speaker 4: than Utah is, and they are better at nothing else
1:50:15
Speaker 4: than Utah's as a state, as a populace, we don't
1:50:20
Speaker 4: have a great public education system here in the state
1:50:23
Speaker 4: of Utah. Line it up against Oklahoma, like, are you
1:50:28
Speaker 4: smarter than an Oklahoma My dog under the table is
1:50:34
Speaker 4: going to do a pretty good job there. My parents
1:50:36
Speaker 4: live in Tulsa right now and they have for almost
1:50:39
Speaker 4: twenty years, and it was a serious adjustment when they
1:50:42
Speaker 4: moved there because culturally it is it is a different place.
1:50:46
Speaker 3: Right.
1:50:47
Speaker 4: Everything about Utah is better than everything about Oklahoma except
1:50:50
Speaker 4: those two things I talked about, oil production and barbecue.
1:50:53
Speaker 3: And barbecue is a pretty good one. Okay.
1:50:56
Speaker 5: They're also good at not knowing what mountains are they
1:50:59
Speaker 5: have better at They're better than us at that.
1:51:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm deliberately ignoring the fact that they have the
1:51:06
Speaker 4: Oklahoma Sooners college football program.
1:51:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we were doing that on purpose.
1:51:13
Speaker 5: We also left out their their great softball program in
1:51:16
Speaker 5: the College Softball World Series.
1:51:19
Speaker 3: Is I heard cool? E?
1:51:20
Speaker 12: Then?
1:51:20
Speaker 3: Okay, But guess what Utah would be better at hosting that?
1:51:23
Speaker 3: If it was in Utah.
1:51:24
Speaker 4: You throw that thing down in like Saint George, Let's go, baby, Yeah,
1:51:29
Speaker 4: let's go. Everyone would be like, this is way better
1:51:32
Speaker 4: than the crappy humidity of Oklahoma City.
1:51:35
Speaker 5: By the way, not that far from the New Black
1:51:38
Speaker 5: Desert Resort is a do you know how huge softball complex.
1:51:43
Speaker 5: If you've been George, you know what I'm talking about.
1:51:45
Speaker 5: You know how much more picturesque that would be. Yeah,
1:51:48
Speaker 5: where you can see like the opening of Snow Canyon
1:51:51
Speaker 5: State Park from this this incredible softball complex, which is
1:51:56
Speaker 5: basically an Ivans.
1:51:57
Speaker 3: Have have one single.
1:52:01
Speaker 4: Softball tournament at the NCAA level in Saint George and
1:52:05
Speaker 4: suddenly never want to go back.
1:52:07
Speaker 3: They would never want to go back.
1:52:08
Speaker 4: They just be like, this is a lot more visually pleasing,
1:52:10
Speaker 4: looks better on TV.
1:52:12
Speaker 5: You know what, can we turn some of these into
1:52:14
Speaker 5: baseball diamonds too, and we don't need Omaha anymore either.
1:52:18
Speaker 3: Actually it drives me insane.
1:52:21
Speaker 4: Like if you get bullied around by the the Boston
1:52:25
Speaker 4: Celtics or the LA Lakers and they're just like, hey man,
1:52:29
Speaker 4: we're the New York Knicks. We want that pick, so
1:52:32
Speaker 4: Adam Silver makes something happen for us, I would kind
1:52:35
Speaker 4: of understand.
1:52:36
Speaker 3: It's like, hey, we're the where the Chicago Bulls.
1:52:38
Speaker 5: We as a populist, we'd probably be even more upset
1:52:42
Speaker 5: because we hate the Lakers.
1:52:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, still hate getting bullied around by the Lakers makes
1:52:47
Speaker 3: more sense.
1:52:48
Speaker 4: But yes, it would make more sense if you were like,
1:52:51
Speaker 4: if you're reading these articles, just like it turns out
1:52:53
Speaker 4: that the La Lakers, or the Chicago Bulls, or the
1:52:57
Speaker 4: New York Knicks or the Golden State War are influencing
1:53:01
Speaker 4: the NBA to punish Utah. You just be like, gosh,
1:53:03
Speaker 4: it stinks that those types of franchises in cities that
1:53:07
Speaker 4: large have the ability and they drive the viewership and
1:53:10
Speaker 4: they push the weight that they you know, I guess
1:53:13
Speaker 4: gained through populace, but it's Oklahoma City. They accidentally got
1:53:20
Speaker 4: a franchise, and yes, they've done a great job and
1:53:24
Speaker 4: they won last year.
1:53:25
Speaker 3: Oh partially because they tanked.
1:53:27
Speaker 4: So it drives me insane and I express as much
1:53:31
Speaker 4: on Twitter, and I express as much on the show
1:53:33
Speaker 4: to start the show today, and I'm getting worked up again.
1:53:35
Speaker 4: And here's the most ridiculous thing about these smug morons
1:53:41
Speaker 4: on Twitter. Second, well, it's because the betters. What you're
1:53:45
Speaker 4: crying about it it's because of the betters. Yeah, I know,
1:53:47
Speaker 4: it's we know, why do you think that's a good thing?
1:53:52
Speaker 5: And I don't, to be fair, there's not many of
1:53:55
Speaker 5: them that are making it clear that they think it's right,
1:53:59
Speaker 5: but they are stating the obvious and kind of an
1:54:02
Speaker 5: annoying way.
1:54:04
Speaker 3: Shout out to you guys. So thanks for the engagements.
1:54:07
Speaker 3: Oh thanks, keep crying about it. It's for the betters, okay.
1:54:12
Speaker 4: If you want something to serve betters, and for the
1:54:16
Speaker 4: rules in that system to take care of the gamblers,
1:54:20
Speaker 4: and for the rules in that franchise, that organization to
1:54:24
Speaker 4: favor whatever is best for the people wagering money.
1:54:27
Speaker 3: There are plays that go to Vegas, play poker.
1:54:30
Speaker 4: All right, sit down at a blackjack table, roll some
1:54:35
Speaker 4: dice whatever, Fly the wendover.
1:54:38
Speaker 5: Could you fly the win over? I don't know, like
1:54:40
Speaker 5: they get take one of those air taxis the wind over. Yeah,
1:54:42
Speaker 5: if you want. Actually, by the way, non secular because
1:54:47
Speaker 5: of the air because I just mentioned air taxis. Apparently
1:54:50
Speaker 5: we're gonna have air taxis here for the Winter Olympics
1:54:53
Speaker 5: in twenty thirty four. All right, I will not be
1:54:57
Speaker 5: riding yeah, moving on, I will not be flying around
1:55:00
Speaker 5: at last night.
1:55:01
Speaker 3: Okay. It's because of the betters.
1:55:07
Speaker 4: So don't defend the practice of favoring and serving betting
1:55:14
Speaker 4: companies in your professional sports.
1:55:16
Speaker 3: I'm fine with sports betting.
1:55:17
Speaker 4: I am like, if you want to do it, if
1:55:20
Speaker 4: as long as you don't render your family destitute, you
1:55:25
Speaker 4: got a little expendable.
1:55:26
Speaker 3: Income, you want to throw a fiver down on a game.
1:55:28
Speaker 4: Whatever, man, if it makes you more interesting for you responsible, cool, fine, whatever.
1:55:32
Speaker 4: I'm not here to regulate your vices as long as
1:55:36
Speaker 4: they don't hurt anybody else.
1:55:38
Speaker 3: Do your thing, live your life.
1:55:40
Speaker 4: But if you're gonna be the sports fan, that is
1:55:42
Speaker 4: just like I want. I want the NBA rules to
1:55:46
Speaker 4: make sure that DraftKings is happy. I want the NBA's
1:55:49
Speaker 4: enforcement arm to make sure that fan duel doesn't get upset.
1:55:55
Speaker 4: You're gonna talk to me about integrity of the game.
1:55:57
Speaker 4: You're gonna talk to me about fairness of competition, and
1:56:00
Speaker 4: then you're gonna turn over your professional leagues, your college
1:56:04
Speaker 4: sports or whatever to the powers that be in gambling
1:56:10
Speaker 4: as the justification or the explanation for anything. Well, yeah,
1:56:13
Speaker 4: you gotta punish the jazz or they're gonna upset fan duel.
1:56:19
Speaker 3: What No, thank you like wrong? Fan? By all?
1:56:24
Speaker 4: This is what you do, Okay. If you're the NFL,
1:56:28
Speaker 4: you're the NBA, you're college football or whatever. You bring
1:56:32
Speaker 4: in the betting companies and you say, here's what I
1:56:34
Speaker 4: want from you. Okay, I want your money, but I
1:56:38
Speaker 4: don't want your voice. I want the riches that come
1:56:45
Speaker 4: from you tapping into this dark corner of our human psyche.
1:56:53
Speaker 4: Go ahead and let people bet, plaster your logos all
1:56:58
Speaker 4: over everything, But don't even one time try to tell
1:57:01
Speaker 4: me how to run my league, how to manage my rosters,
1:57:06
Speaker 4: how to figure out any of this. If you want
1:57:08
Speaker 4: to be part of this, you want to be part
1:57:10
Speaker 4: of what we already created, what we already put here.
1:57:13
Speaker 4: You do not get to come in and tell us
1:57:15
Speaker 4: how to run it. Hey, but we're bringing in more
1:57:17
Speaker 4: money than you've ever had before. I appreciate it and
1:57:19
Speaker 4: thank you. But what you're investing in as a partner,
1:57:22
Speaker 4: what you're buying into, is sport, not entertainment that is
1:57:29
Speaker 4: manipulated by your desired outcomes. I don't give a bleep
1:57:34
Speaker 4: if it's good for the betters or not. I don't
1:57:36
Speaker 4: watch sports for the betting, and you shouldn't either, if
1:57:39
Speaker 4: it's an accessory thing. It's kind of like I like
1:57:42
Speaker 4: going to a jazz game because the churros are delicious.
1:57:44
Speaker 4: You don't go to a jazz game for the churros.
1:57:48
Speaker 4: You go to a jazz game to watch the basketball.
1:57:51
Speaker 4: You go to a hockey game to watch the hockey,
1:57:53
Speaker 4: and it's a bonus that they've got that really delicious
1:57:57
Speaker 4: Greek place on the concours. I go, you know what,
1:58:02
Speaker 4: I love going and watching me some hockey.
1:58:05
Speaker 3: It's a bonus that they put the.
1:58:07
Speaker 4: Mountain menu in place, and I only have to spend
1:58:09
Speaker 4: five bucks to grab some nachos in the water.
1:58:12
Speaker 5: Or you know what, I really love the uh I
1:58:14
Speaker 5: really love the golf game. They do in both those
1:58:17
Speaker 5: in both those games.
1:58:18
Speaker 3: But that's not like, it's not why you go.
1:58:21
Speaker 5: You don't go to a hockey year a basketball game
1:58:23
Speaker 5: to watch They watch people and put for for thousands
1:58:26
Speaker 5: of dollars.
1:58:27
Speaker 3: Fair.
1:58:28
Speaker 4: I'll be fair because there are actually a lot of
1:58:30
Speaker 4: people now whose entire engagement with sports, professional, amateur and
1:58:35
Speaker 4: otherwise is based solely on betting interest. They only care
1:58:40
Speaker 4: about the sports because they want to bet on the sports.
1:58:42
Speaker 3: That's fine.
1:58:43
Speaker 4: That is a niche market, and you should take as
1:58:46
Speaker 4: much of their money and market to them as much
1:58:50
Speaker 4: as you want to do. But don't you dare tweet
1:58:54
Speaker 4: at me with your smug ellipses at the end, it's
1:58:58
Speaker 4: not better for the better dude, I you don't want
1:59:04
Speaker 4: the NBA catering to betting companies.
1:59:06
Speaker 3: You don't want the NFL catering to betting companies. You
1:59:08
Speaker 3: don't want.
1:59:08
Speaker 4: University of Utah BYU Utah State, You don't want them
1:59:12
Speaker 4: catering to betting companies with anything that actually affects the competition.
1:59:16
Speaker 4: And we know that it's a risk, and we know
1:59:18
Speaker 4: that players are gonna throw points and shave or shave
1:59:21
Speaker 4: points and throw games and things like that, and we
1:59:23
Speaker 4: try to enforce that out of things because it is
1:59:26
Speaker 4: not better for the overall health of the sport and
1:59:29
Speaker 4: for our continued interest in the sport. And if you
1:59:33
Speaker 4: have a problem because Lowry Marketing is only gonna play
1:59:36
Speaker 4: three quarters of a game, you know what your problem
1:59:39
Speaker 4: is that you don't realize that the Utah Jazz are
1:59:42
Speaker 4: trying to lose games. You don't don't bet on them
1:59:46
Speaker 4: to win. Well, Lowry Marketing is playing guess what, he's
1:59:48
Speaker 4: not gonna play the whole game.
1:59:49
Speaker 5: Probably go under with Lowry's points, then like, just don't be.
1:59:53
Speaker 3: Dumb, Well, the betters, it's better for the I.
1:59:56
Speaker 5: Don't care you beat you bet smarter. Then that's the
2:00:00
Speaker 5: onus is on you. It's your money, it's not it's
2:00:04
Speaker 5: not the Jazz. The Jazz are not responsible for how
2:00:06
Speaker 5: much money you win or lose. And that's that's actually
2:00:12
Speaker 5: a larger problem with with the with fantasy game, daily
2:00:17
Speaker 5: fantasy games, and sports betting is the amount of people
2:00:20
Speaker 5: that get mad at the players too because oh, you
2:00:23
Speaker 5: didn't play well enough, you lost me that you must
2:00:25
Speaker 5: me x amount of dollars Like, that's actually not on them,
2:00:30
Speaker 5: It's actually on you.
2:00:32
Speaker 3: For risking that money.
2:00:34
Speaker 5: And guess what risk means that you might lose that
2:00:38
Speaker 5: you gotta be able to accept that.
2:00:44
Speaker 4: It's the same as point shaving and as detrimental to
2:00:47
Speaker 4: the game per player participation policy that the CBA agreed
2:00:49
Speaker 4: to was an acted in twenty three to twenty four season.
2:00:52
Speaker 4: It's simple, Okay, you're right, I'm being too harsh. Here
2:00:57
Speaker 4: here's here's here's the real stance. If you want to
2:01:01
Speaker 4: go buy the this is thank you for sighting the
2:01:04
Speaker 4: CBA and thank you for citing a specific clause in
2:01:07
Speaker 4: the CBA.
2:01:08
Speaker 3: Lawyer participation in policy. Okay, wonderful.
2:01:15
Speaker 4: If you want to punish the Jazz for what they
2:01:18
Speaker 4: are doing and you don't like me justifying it with
2:01:22
Speaker 4: the well everyone else is doing it mentality.
2:01:25
Speaker 3: That's fine because I have.
2:01:28
Speaker 4: I have lamb basted Lance Armstrong, and I won't let
2:01:32
Speaker 4: him off the hook because he blood dope. Everyone else
2:01:35
Speaker 4: was doing it, So why don't I write it's when
2:01:37
Speaker 4: you go to your mom, like if everyone else jumped
2:01:39
Speaker 4: off a bridge, would you two?
2:01:40
Speaker 3: You're like, what, I don't even know what you mean.
2:01:42
Speaker 3: I just want to go to the concert. My friends
2:01:44
Speaker 3: are going to the concert.
2:01:46
Speaker 4: But if you want to cite this, if you want
2:01:49
Speaker 4: to go by the letter of the law, if you
2:01:51
Speaker 4: want to play everything by the book, and you want
2:01:53
Speaker 4: the Utah Jazz to be fined five hundred thousand dollars, fine,
2:01:58
Speaker 4: line up the Washington Wizards. Line up the Indiana Pacers.
2:02:03
Speaker 4: Line up the Atlanta hawksmo line up the Sacramento King
2:02:07
Speaker 4: and line them all up, and let's just let's, you
2:02:12
Speaker 4: know what, let's build a U center for kids who
2:02:15
Speaker 4: can't read good with all this fine money, let's full Zoolander,
2:02:18
Speaker 4: this bad boy. You cannot selectively punish one group because
2:02:23
Speaker 4: sure enough, right, it's not a reading center for ants
2:02:27
Speaker 4: you have you have to be consistent. That's the whole
2:02:30
Speaker 4: problem here. If the Utah Jazz and all other nine
2:02:35
Speaker 4: teams that were tanking were all given the uniform punishment,
2:02:39
Speaker 4: I probably still would be like, well, why did you
2:02:41
Speaker 4: just decide twenty twenty six was the time to start
2:02:43
Speaker 4: doing this? But I might also say, all right, they're
2:02:47
Speaker 4: actually trying to do something about it. They're actually trying
2:02:49
Speaker 4: to deter this across the board. But they're not trying
2:02:52
Speaker 4: to deter this across the board. They're trying to punish
2:02:55
Speaker 4: Ryan Smith, will Hardy Lowry markin in the Utah Jazz,
2:03:01
Speaker 4: specifically Salt Lake City specifically, in a way that they
2:03:05
Speaker 4: have not with other teams.
2:03:07
Speaker 5: It's it's not unlike the in college football. Something happened
2:03:12
Speaker 5: before I was born, but I still know the story
2:03:15
Speaker 5: the SMU Mustangs, right, they got the death penalty for
2:03:19
Speaker 5: they had evidence that they were that they had bag men,
2:03:22
Speaker 5: that they were paying these these players, and they were
2:03:24
Speaker 5: one of the best college football programs of the nineties
2:03:27
Speaker 5: or the eighties. Excuse me with this money that they're
2:03:31
Speaker 5: they're paying players.
2:03:32
Speaker 3: But like.
2:03:34
Speaker 5: University of Texas in the same state, in their same conference,
2:03:39
Speaker 5: much bigger brand than SMU back then, now and and
2:03:43
Speaker 5: back then. As well as good as SMU was, they're
2:03:45
Speaker 5: also paying people, you know, a litany of other big
2:03:52
Speaker 5: brand programs. Where why did you decide to single out
2:03:55
Speaker 5: like you said yesterday, I'll see punched down on a
2:03:58
Speaker 5: program that, like what you deciding to single them out is.
2:04:05
Speaker 3: It was ludicrous back then.
2:04:07
Speaker 5: Yes, they they broke a cardinal They broke a cardinal
2:04:11
Speaker 5: rule in in instantly football back then. That's no longer
2:04:15
Speaker 5: relevant now. But like the consistent punish everyone as equal
2:04:21
Speaker 5: to be as possible, don't just punch down on a
2:04:24
Speaker 5: smaller program that you know you're not gonna get as
2:04:26
Speaker 5: much backlash for the other.
2:04:27
Speaker 4: The thing that drives me so crazy about it, too
2:04:29
Speaker 4: is I'm sitting here, I'm watching tweet after tweet and
2:04:32
Speaker 4: text after text come in, and people are just like, no,
2:04:35
Speaker 4: it's better if you don't play them at all. You
2:04:41
Speaker 4: will never There's no human being on earth that can
2:04:45
Speaker 4: convince me it is better for the NBA to have
2:04:49
Speaker 4: guys d NP street clothes instead of playing even half
2:04:53
Speaker 4: a game. Is it better to play half a game
2:04:56
Speaker 4: than a full game? Obviously not play in the full game,
2:05:00
Speaker 4: But if you're trying to lose, and the NBA has
2:05:03
Speaker 4: set up a system where you're rewarded for losing with
2:05:05
Speaker 4: a higher draft pick. It makes sense for you to
2:05:08
Speaker 4: do that. The painful acceptance that you have to find
2:05:12
Speaker 4: yourself dealing with is it's better if we lose, and
2:05:18
Speaker 4: so we're gonna suffer through this.
2:05:19
Speaker 8: Now.
2:05:19
Speaker 4: The Jazz did kind of They mucked it up for
2:05:21
Speaker 4: three or four years. This year they got it right. Yeah,
2:05:24
Speaker 4: last year they got it right. This year they got
2:05:26
Speaker 4: it right. It was the two years before that.
2:05:28
Speaker 5: It's like they should have they should have leaned into
2:05:30
Speaker 5: this a lot heavier than they.
2:05:32
Speaker 4: And they're now doing it and it's finally starting to
2:05:35
Speaker 4: bear some fruit. And now the league is like, oh,
2:05:37
Speaker 4: you guys are messing this up. No, no, they're getting
2:05:41
Speaker 4: it right now, morons. It's starting to pay dividends just now,
2:05:45
Speaker 4: and you're gonna fight. And again, a five hundred thousand
2:05:49
Speaker 4: dollars fine does not change anybody's life for the it's
2:05:53
Speaker 4: the optics of it. Let's pick on the Jazz. Let's
2:05:56
Speaker 4: single out the Utah Jazz. Let's use them as as
2:06:00
Speaker 4: an example. It's so unacceptable and everyone's just kind of
2:06:04
Speaker 4: taken it like, yeah, well, all right, it's where I'm
2:06:08
Speaker 4: glad the NBA is finally combating this tanking problem by
2:06:13
Speaker 4: punishing Utah.
2:06:15
Speaker 3: We had Andy Larson on earlier.
2:06:17
Speaker 4: He was trying to get the skinny on whether or
2:06:20
Speaker 4: not the Jazz we're gonna keep tanking, and.
2:06:21
Speaker 3: Spoiler alert, they are. This is like that.
2:06:30
Speaker 4: Stupid punishment that gets handed down to the career criminal. Hey,
2:06:38
Speaker 4: that drunk driving is a real bad habit for you.
2:06:41
Speaker 4: We're gonna have to like really deter you from this.
2:06:45
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you three extra points on your license.
2:06:48
Speaker 4: It's like what they're still gonna do the thing that
2:06:51
Speaker 4: you don't like. You haven't actually deterred anything. You've just
2:06:55
Speaker 4: given this particular team a bunch of bad pr and
2:06:59
Speaker 4: having to answer for a system and a pattern that
2:07:03
Speaker 4: dozens of teams have participated in, and you're blaming them
2:07:08
Speaker 4: for it. It's so dumb enough for the complaining. That's
2:07:15
Speaker 4: that's like an hour of grievance airing against the NBA Today.
2:07:19
Speaker 4: We're gonna take a break. We're gonna do the real
2:07:20
Speaker 4: airing of grievances. Okay, We're gonna let you get it
2:07:23
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Speaker 13: A you all right, Time for the airing of grievances
2:08:07
Speaker 13: on The Sean O'Connell Show eight seven seven three five
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Speaker 13: three zero seven hundred text us your grievances.
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Speaker 1: The Festivus begins with the airing of grievances. I got
2:08:19
Speaker 1: a lot of problems with your people.
2:08:21
Speaker 3: Now you're gonna hear about it. We have a saunic
2:08:26
Speaker 3: grievance update.
2:08:27
Speaker 4: It sounds like they came in on the phone line
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Speaker 4: eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. Alec
2:08:32
Speaker 4: from Vineyard. Let's start with that one. James tell me
2:08:36
Speaker 4: is he is Alec on the phone?
2:08:37
Speaker 3: Alec? Alec. First of all, I.
2:08:41
Speaker 4: Want to tell you how proud I am that you
2:08:44
Speaker 4: You said something about the loud cell phone talker in
2:08:47
Speaker 4: the sauna.
2:08:48
Speaker 3: Now tell me what the latest is.
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Speaker 14: Oh see, I'm glad you're back. I'm glad you were
2:08:54
Speaker 14: able to hear about the update on the uh the
2:08:57
Speaker 14: important business man, let's call him. So I called it
2:09:01
Speaker 14: last week and there was my grievances. There's this new
2:09:05
Speaker 14: couple that's just been giving each other massages very eventually.
2:09:10
Speaker 14: Not only that, but they take up an entire bench
2:09:13
Speaker 14: and the sauna is pretty small.
2:09:15
Speaker 8: As it is.
2:09:16
Speaker 14: And so I think this is either yesterday or the
2:09:19
Speaker 14: day before, and they just caught me on a morning
2:09:22
Speaker 14: where I was stressed out of my mind. It wasn't
2:09:24
Speaker 14: a good day for me, and so I was in
2:09:26
Speaker 14: there to relax and they're taking up a bench, they're
2:09:29
Speaker 14: massaging each other, and there are three people having to
2:09:32
Speaker 14: stand up in the sauna because they don't have a
2:09:35
Speaker 14: place to sit. And I just I wasn't mincing words.
2:09:39
Speaker 14: I was like, hey, you guys, time and place move.
2:09:42
Speaker 14: People are standing up and they want to relax and
2:09:45
Speaker 14: sit down. This couple did not say a word. They
2:09:48
Speaker 14: were bewildered by my bluntness. They stood up and walked
2:09:53
Speaker 14: out of the sauna. Not a word was said. So
2:09:57
Speaker 14: the sauna has been made a safe for a more
2:10:00
Speaker 14: relaxing place because of the encouragement that you.
2:10:04
Speaker 8: Have given me.
2:10:05
Speaker 3: So I appreciate those times. Oh we've created a monster
2:10:07
Speaker 3: and I love it. Well done.
2:10:09
Speaker 4: Look, that couple might have been trolling for some you know,
2:10:14
Speaker 4: m'd be like down in Utah County, there's some swinging
2:10:17
Speaker 4: going on.
2:10:18
Speaker 3: If you're massaging in the public place.
2:10:20
Speaker 4: They probably were surprised you weren't just like, hey, guys,
2:10:23
Speaker 4: what's up telling them to skid out?
2:10:24
Speaker 14: All that takes place up in draper and daybreak. I'm
2:10:27
Speaker 14: not gonna let that stand for Utah County.
2:10:30
Speaker 4: All right, Well, I applaud your airing the grievance with
2:10:35
Speaker 4: them directly in the sauna.
2:10:37
Speaker 3: Well done. That's great. People.
2:10:39
Speaker 4: There's an etiquette to every situation you're in, and a
2:10:42
Speaker 4: sauna is certainly one of those. Okay, people, it's generally
2:10:47
Speaker 4: better to be quiet. If you're gonna have conversation, you
2:10:50
Speaker 4: should kind of like keep it between the booies a
2:10:53
Speaker 4: little bit. And sensual massages of a romantic partner in
2:10:58
Speaker 4: a public sauna is gross and outside of the etiquette lines,
2:11:04
Speaker 4: just don't do it all right?
2:11:05
Speaker 5: Which is worse the important businessman guy or the sensual
2:11:09
Speaker 5: massaging couple?
2:11:10
Speaker 3: Do you think?
2:11:13
Speaker 4: Uh? This is from Jared on the text line grievance,
2:11:21
Speaker 4: Utah's persecution complex the people, not the university.
2:11:25
Speaker 3: All right, I'll take it.
2:11:27
Speaker 4: The Spurs were fined two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
2:11:29
Speaker 4: back in twenty twelve for siting players have been finding
2:11:31
Speaker 4: multiple times since.
2:11:32
Speaker 3: So the NBA is not picking on the Jazz.
2:11:34
Speaker 4: They're just they just aren't very good at tanking. Look,
2:11:38
Speaker 4: teams have been fined in the past. The Jazz are
2:11:43
Speaker 4: not even the most egregious tankers of this season. They're
2:11:47
Speaker 4: just doing it in a way that the NBA doesn't
2:11:49
Speaker 4: like the optics, So they are picking on the Jazz.
2:11:53
Speaker 3: They are singling out the Utah Jazz.
2:11:54
Speaker 5: Also, other than Sam Hinky and the Process Sixers, when
2:12:00
Speaker 5: have you heard this much backlash from national media about
2:12:05
Speaker 5: a way the way a team is tanking. No one said,
2:12:10
Speaker 5: good for the NBA. They find the Spurs. Does anyone
2:12:13
Speaker 5: know that they find the Spurs? You know, why is
2:12:15
Speaker 5: this guy a Spurs fan? Is that the only reason
2:12:17
Speaker 5: he knows why they find the Spurs back in twenty twelve,
2:12:20
Speaker 5: his who cares? They didn't make it an addendo, They
2:12:24
Speaker 5: didn't go on a diet diet tribe on every single
2:12:28
Speaker 5: NBA show in this in this country about how the
2:12:32
Speaker 5: Spurs are ruining the league. That's what they're doing to
2:12:35
Speaker 5: the Jazz unfairly. That's why we're saying. And yes, there
2:12:39
Speaker 5: is a persecution complex here, but it does not apply here.
2:12:46
Speaker 4: I actually have a superiority complex over the fact that
2:12:48
Speaker 4: Oklahoma City is being allowed to skip the line and
2:12:51
Speaker 4: to be like, I'm telling you people from Utah need
2:12:55
Speaker 4: to flood Oklahoma, and I have all these Oklahoma's looking
2:12:58
Speaker 4: around just be like, wait, where are all these attractive,
2:13:02
Speaker 4: cool people coming from. They don't fit here in Oklahoma.
2:13:05
Speaker 4: They don't belong here in Oklahoma. And just look them
2:13:08
Speaker 4: in the face and say, yeah, we're jazz fans. We're
2:13:09
Speaker 4: from Utah, and you guys need to stop playing tattletale
2:13:14
Speaker 4: else so I'm.
2:13:14
Speaker 3: Gonna give you a wedgie.
2:13:15
Speaker 5: And by the way, our pioneers are cooler than yours too,
2:13:18
Speaker 5: Boomer Sooner.
2:13:25
Speaker 4: Like, you guys have some quirky Christian religions here in Oklahoma.
2:13:29
Speaker 3: That do some wild stuff. We got one of those too.
2:13:32
Speaker 3: Ours is more charitable though, all right.
2:13:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, we we have covered wagons that we like to
2:13:38
Speaker 5: celebrate too, all right.
2:13:40
Speaker 3: And we're better at that than you are.
2:13:42
Speaker 4: Well you're saying we're better at covered wagons like the
2:13:44
Speaker 4: thing where you fart and then pull the pull the
2:13:46
Speaker 4: sheets up over. You brought that, all right, me Friday
2:13:50
Speaker 4: agreements from Jeff on the text line eight seven seven
2:13:53
Speaker 4: three five three zero seven hundred. If you want to
2:13:55
Speaker 4: bring one in as a long suffering jazz fan, I
2:13:58
Speaker 4: have agreements for you people. Adam silver sand I'm pressed
2:14:00
Speaker 4: the Bobby Marks in the boot looking NBA national media.
2:14:03
Speaker 4: That is all all right, Jeff, I think expressing the
2:14:07
Speaker 4: opinions of several people today. A little update by the way,
2:14:10
Speaker 4: where I was wondering if you can fly to Wendover
2:14:14
Speaker 4: and our last seping, I was talking about how you
2:14:16
Speaker 4: shouldn't be working actively as a professional league league to
2:14:20
Speaker 4: serve the betters, like they can bet on your sport,
2:14:25
Speaker 4: but don't adjust your sport to make it better for
2:14:27
Speaker 4: people who want a wager.
2:14:30
Speaker 3: That's what casinos are for.
2:14:31
Speaker 4: If your if your whole experience is geared around betting,
2:14:35
Speaker 4: go to a casino, go like play some poker, play
2:14:39
Speaker 4: some blackjack. And this is our resident BYU fan says,
2:14:43
Speaker 4: you can fly to Windover. I own a plane and
2:14:45
Speaker 4: I fly to Windover. Okay, it's a flex, but it
2:14:49
Speaker 4: also answers my question.
2:14:50
Speaker 5: Good good flex from from the resident BYU fans shout out.
2:14:54
Speaker 4: This from twenty two to eighty nine grievance. Having the
2:14:56
Speaker 4: Kachuck brothers on Team USA is painful. They are dirty
2:15:00
Speaker 4: rotten players. But for these two weeks, there are dirty
2:15:03
Speaker 4: rotten players. That's the problem.
2:15:04
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're We're cool with the dirty rottenness of as
2:15:09
Speaker 5: long as they're doing it for Team USA.
2:15:15
Speaker 3: Ooh, this one's interesting.
2:15:17
Speaker 4: Twenty four oh nine, Derek, I'm all in on the
2:15:22
Speaker 4: Olympics coverage, but I have agreements. I cannot stand the
2:15:24
Speaker 4: whirling noise of the drones. Is there any way to
2:15:27
Speaker 4: get to digitally silence that sound? Uh, there's gotta be
2:15:31
Speaker 4: I notice it. But for me, the angles and the
2:15:38
Speaker 4: pursuit angle of the drones, especially in the downhill skiing,
2:15:43
Speaker 4: more than worth the little winding sound.
2:15:47
Speaker 5: It's this is this is gonna be quite the callback
2:15:50
Speaker 5: I'm about to do. But it's not. It's nothing like
2:15:53
Speaker 5: the what they call the vovuzelas zuzuvelas. However you said
2:15:57
Speaker 5: them in the South African World Cup how long ago
2:16:00
Speaker 5: that was that the sound like a beehive was everywhere
2:16:04
Speaker 5: in the stadium, Like I can handle the light drone
2:16:07
Speaker 5: sound Compared.
2:16:08
Speaker 4: To that, uh, Brown Bear grievance, Utah football doesn't have
2:16:14
Speaker 4: something to rival the Sooner Schooner. Oh yeah, what about
2:16:19
Speaker 4: those giant Japanese drums they brought out in third quarters
2:16:23
Speaker 4: for like two years, or the proud tradition.
2:16:26
Speaker 5: What's the name of the cannon that they brought back?
2:16:30
Speaker 5: Just a I don't know, as I thought there was
2:16:31
Speaker 5: a name, maybe that maybe there's a name of it.
2:16:34
Speaker 5: I thought there was a name, But the were the
2:16:36
Speaker 5: cannon that fires when.
2:16:37
Speaker 3: It's not unique enough, A lot of teams do that.
2:16:40
Speaker 5: The walk probably still not very unique, that's.
2:16:44
Speaker 3: True, Brown Bear. We got to work on that.
2:16:48
Speaker 4: When's the last time the Sooner Schooner wiped out by
2:16:50
Speaker 4: the Remember that one?
2:16:51
Speaker 3: That was like really obvious a few years ago.
2:16:53
Speaker 5: If Utah had a covered wagon type thing, uh, that
2:16:57
Speaker 5: they would that they rolled out every game, they would
2:17:00
Speaker 5: not ever wipe out because we are better.
2:17:02
Speaker 3: At pioneering than they are in Oklahoma.
2:17:05
Speaker 4: Charles Charles on the text slite says, I hate the
2:17:07
Speaker 4: pursuit angles of the drone cameras. It's like the Blair
2:17:10
Speaker 4: Witch Olympics makes me motion sick.
2:17:14
Speaker 3: What what, man?
2:17:18
Speaker 4: You have a sensitive visual processing unit if that gives
2:17:22
Speaker 4: you motion sickness.
2:17:24
Speaker 3: They're pretty smooth.
2:17:26
Speaker 4: They're pretty smooth with the camera and they use them
2:17:28
Speaker 4: on the Bob Sled tracks. Now, these drone pilots are
2:17:32
Speaker 4: really they're good at what they do. You could probably
2:17:36
Speaker 4: I guess if you're talking about the Bob Sled track,
2:17:39
Speaker 4: you could probably program that right. You could probably program
2:17:43
Speaker 4: the drone to like fly specific turns and angles at
2:17:46
Speaker 4: certain times on a track. So maybe you don't have
2:17:50
Speaker 4: to be like a skilled video game pilot. But I
2:17:54
Speaker 4: love the pursuit angles.
2:17:55
Speaker 3: Man.
2:17:55
Speaker 4: This is it's important to remind myself that on the
2:17:59
Speaker 4: Shawn O'Connell show, everyone looks through the lens, looks at
2:18:04
Speaker 4: life through their own lens. I think that the drone
2:18:07
Speaker 4: cameras in skiing especially are one of the greatest additions
2:18:12
Speaker 4: to Olympic covers that we've had, maybe ever. And there's
2:18:17
Speaker 4: some people like I don't like the sound of them,
2:18:18
Speaker 4: and I don't like the pursuit. Angle makes me motion sick.
2:18:22
Speaker 5: So brown Bear, I think, is telling us that the
2:18:24
Speaker 5: cannon is called you Thunder. Is that is that right?
2:18:28
Speaker 5: It must be all caps you Thunder from brown Bear.
2:18:32
Speaker 4: Nineteen forty three says no grievance today, Just to shout
2:18:35
Speaker 4: out Alec from Vineyard awesome updates.
2:18:38
Speaker 3: He's three weeks in a row. Incredible.
2:18:41
Speaker 4: We might need to have Alec just give us a
2:18:43
Speaker 4: sawt update every week as part of our Friday airing
2:18:46
Speaker 4: of grievances.
2:18:47
Speaker 3: That might be a thing. Shout out to Vineyard.
2:18:49
Speaker 5: I kind of think that we might be heading down
2:18:51
Speaker 5: the road you mentioned we created a monster. We might
2:18:54
Speaker 5: be heading down the road where someone else in the
2:18:56
Speaker 5: sauna is calling about you know how.
2:18:58
Speaker 3: Much I would love that if that well called in.
2:19:01
Speaker 4: I was just like, we only see each other once
2:19:04
Speaker 4: a week, and it happens to be in the sauna.
2:19:06
Speaker 4: It's the only time we could express our love for
2:19:09
Speaker 4: one another. And this guy just walks in and he
2:19:11
Speaker 4: starts yelling at us or important business called guy. I
2:19:16
Speaker 4: fear that we've turned Alec. We've turned Alec into like
2:19:19
Speaker 4: Larry David where he just says what's on his mind.
2:19:22
Speaker 3: It's just stream of consciousness.
2:19:23
Speaker 4: There's just no filter at all, you know, just walking
2:19:26
Speaker 4: in the grocery store. Hey, you should spank that kid.
2:19:29
Speaker 4: He's not behaving properly.
2:19:30
Speaker 3: You know.
2:19:32
Speaker 4: I fear that I've created a monster or alec just
2:19:35
Speaker 4: as there's no filter at all. But I kind of
2:19:37
Speaker 4: hope it also happened. I'm afraid I've done that, but
2:19:40
Speaker 4: I also hope I've done that.
2:19:41
Speaker 3: It's not good, it's great content for the show.
2:19:43
Speaker 4: Also nineteen forty three, This is from earlier in the
2:19:46
Speaker 4: week nineteen forty three, asked a question about there was
2:19:49
Speaker 4: an ear biting incident in MMA, in a heavyweight fighting MMA,
2:19:53
Speaker 4: and he was asking me about that. I only saw
2:19:55
Speaker 4: the highlight. I didn't see he said, what do I
2:19:57
Speaker 4: know about it? I only saw it. You can go
2:19:59
Speaker 4: find it on YouTube. Whatever it was. Look, it was
2:20:03
Speaker 4: low level fighters that obviously have poor emotional regulation skills.
2:20:07
Speaker 3: And one of these guys was biting the other guy.
2:20:10
Speaker 3: That is bad deal.
2:20:11
Speaker 8: Well.
2:20:11
Speaker 4: Actually, one of the best fighters from the local scene
2:20:14
Speaker 4: in Utah was He's a guy who's got like a
2:20:16
Speaker 4: couple of screws loose. He actually bit a bit a
2:20:19
Speaker 4: fighter on the leg one time. He was put in
2:20:23
Speaker 4: an arm bar, And part of an arm bar submission
2:20:25
Speaker 4: is like they put their their leg so their hamstring
2:20:28
Speaker 4: is like on your head and your arm is isolated
2:20:31
Speaker 4: and they're cranking and it's like and he's spin out
2:20:34
Speaker 4: his mouthpiece and he bit the guy on the back
2:20:36
Speaker 4: of the leg, like you are just if you're if
2:20:40
Speaker 4: you're in an MMA fight already, you probably have a
2:20:44
Speaker 4: questionable mindset. You're probably a little bit weird. If you're
2:20:48
Speaker 4: biting people in an MMA fight, it's you need to.
2:20:51
Speaker 3: Be incarcerated, Okay. That is just that just means that
2:20:55
Speaker 3: you have lost the plot completely. You you have you've
2:20:58
Speaker 3: devolved back to kindergarten.
2:21:00
Speaker 4: And this is coming from someone there who as a
2:21:03
Speaker 4: proud history as an MMA fighter. Like, the sport is
2:21:06
Speaker 4: full of pretty awesome people, and like there's some cool
2:21:09
Speaker 4: stuff that happens. If you're biting people in a combat sport,
2:21:13
Speaker 4: you're just a sociopath. Because here's the thing, here's one
2:21:17
Speaker 4: of the best things about combat sports. Right, all the
2:21:21
Speaker 4: grievances you have with everything in life, you get to
2:21:23
Speaker 4: take it out in that competition, it is encouraged. You
2:21:26
Speaker 4: get to be violent within a certain rule set. And
2:21:30
Speaker 4: by the way, that rule set is very permissive. Like, ah,
2:21:33
Speaker 4: my gosh, I just wish I could punch something. But
2:21:36
Speaker 4: what if you're not good at punching? All right, fine,
2:21:38
Speaker 4: I wish I could kick something. Guess what you can?
2:21:41
Speaker 4: You know if I could just take someone down. I
2:21:43
Speaker 4: wish I could just wrestle someone to the ground and
2:21:44
Speaker 4: break their arm. You can actually do that. If then
2:21:48
Speaker 4: you're like, you know what, I need something else? I
2:21:50
Speaker 4: also need to bite. Nope, you need to go to jail.
2:21:54
Speaker 5: Like, maybe learn some coping strategies.
2:22:00
Speaker 4: Stop you short of biting. So what starts beating you up?
2:22:03
Speaker 4: You're about to lose. Your recourse is to bite. You're
2:22:07
Speaker 4: either three years old or.
2:22:09
Speaker 3: You need to go to jail. That's it. Grievance against you.
2:22:13
Speaker 5: Hey, Captain Insano shows no mercy. Shout out to Zach
2:22:16
Speaker 5: for texting that eight seven seven three five three zero
2:22:21
Speaker 5: seven hundred. If you have any other grievances, air them
2:22:23
Speaker 5: for us. We'll take our final break here. We'll come
2:22:26
Speaker 5: back with the PGA Tour leaderboard update. It's the Sean
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Speaker 2: Am, Well, James, give me a quick PGA Tour leaderboard
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Speaker 3: What do we have, James on our leader board? Pebble
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Speaker 3: Beach Pro am huh Ox Shay Botia has taken the lead.
2:23:10
Speaker 5: He is two over on Ricky Fowler who's in second,
2:23:13
Speaker 5: Batia at fourteen under, Fowler at twelve under. Rio Hisatsune,
2:23:19
Speaker 5: who's led for a lot of this tournament early on,
2:23:22
Speaker 5: is now tied for third at eleven under, three shots
2:23:24
Speaker 5: off the lead. We have uh Sepstraka who is fifth
2:23:31
Speaker 5: at ten under, and a host of guys tied for six,
2:23:34
Speaker 5: including Tommy Fleetwood, Matt Fitzpatrick, Patrick Rogers at nine under
2:23:39
Speaker 5: and running at the top ten. We got guys like
2:23:41
Speaker 5: Shane Lowry, Rory McElroy, Jordan Speith. If basically, if you've
2:23:45
Speaker 5: won a major, you're tied for ninth in this one
2:23:47
Speaker 5: at eight under, and let's see Tony fen Now at
2:23:52
Speaker 5: seven under, tied for sixteenth, So good showing to start
2:23:57
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2:24:18
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2:24:21
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2:24:23
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2:24:26
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Speaker 4: Spence check its How are you?
2:25:00
Speaker 3: I have a question for you right off the top.
2:25:01
Speaker 3: All right, So.
2:25:05
Speaker 12: When you work in sports stock radio, you listen to
2:25:08
Speaker 12: sportstock radio differently and as somebody who has launched into
2:25:14
Speaker 12: an unplanned analogy a time or two in my lifetime,
2:25:18
Speaker 12: and I'm thinking in my head it's like Michael Scott
2:25:20
Speaker 12: where he's just talking hoping that you land the plane.
2:25:23
Speaker 3: That's happened to me several times.
2:25:24
Speaker 12: It may have happened to you today, And so I
2:25:26
Speaker 12: just need ask a question.
2:25:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, fair Because I had to get out of there.
2:25:30
Speaker 12: I didn't want to get out of the car because
2:25:31
Speaker 12: I'm like, how the hell is he gonna get out
2:25:32
Speaker 12: of this? How is Sean gonna land? But I had
2:25:34
Speaker 12: to get out of the car, so I didn't hear
2:25:35
Speaker 12: how you land the plane? The mammoth as a stray dog,
2:25:40
Speaker 12: Oh no, that's planned, that was not accidental, And the
2:25:43
Speaker 12: jazz as a cat No, no, all right?
2:25:46
Speaker 4: Ryan Smith he got himself a purebred cat, and he
2:25:51
Speaker 4: got himself a purebred dog, and he's realizing right now
2:25:55
Speaker 4: they're both purebreads. He's realizing right now he's a dog person.
2:25:59
Speaker 4: Because the cat is persnickety and is spoiled, and is
2:26:03
Speaker 4: problematic and is difficult and doesn't give you anything back
2:26:08
Speaker 4: no matter how much you pour into it. It's just like, h,
2:26:11
Speaker 4: you don't you love the cat, but the cat doesn't
2:26:14
Speaker 4: love you back. The cat is standoffish and sometimes outright mean,
2:26:19
Speaker 4: and probably scratched one of your kids, and you're just like,
2:26:22
Speaker 4: I really spent so much of my life dreaming about
2:26:26
Speaker 4: owning this Egyptian hairless cat, and I finally got one,
2:26:30
Speaker 4: and it's not all it's cracked up to be. And
2:26:33
Speaker 4: shortly after he got the cat, he also got this
2:26:36
Speaker 4: beautiful whatever white cream golden Retriever English English cream golden Retriever.
2:26:43
Speaker 4: And it turns out that's the greatest thing going in
2:26:45
Speaker 4: his life, Okay, And he probably was like the dog
2:26:50
Speaker 4: was an afterthought. The dog was like, well, yeah, I
2:26:52
Speaker 4: got a cat, might as well get a dog too.
2:26:55
Speaker 4: And it turns out the dog is way better, so
2:27:00
Speaker 4: much better, gives back more a lot more lovable, not
2:27:05
Speaker 4: picky about its diet, happy to see you. The dog
2:27:11
Speaker 4: loves you. You pour into the dog. Everything you put
2:27:14
Speaker 4: in comes back tenfold. You pour into the cat. The
2:27:18
Speaker 4: cat just takes and takes and takes, and oh jeez,
2:27:20
Speaker 4: a five hundred thousand dollars VET bill for this stupid cat.
2:27:24
Speaker 3: That's what's happening with the jazz and the mammoth.
2:27:27
Speaker 12: Okay, so that's how you landed it. It's actually not bad.
2:27:30
Speaker 3: It's great, is what it is.
2:27:31
Speaker 12: Okay, it's fine, all right. So the the jazz or
2:27:37
Speaker 12: the cat. The mammoth is the dog. Ryan's for cat people.
2:27:40
Speaker 12: It turns out Ryan owns both. Yeah, and his lifelong
2:27:43
Speaker 12: dream was known a cat. And what he's realized is
2:27:46
Speaker 12: owning the dog is where the true treasure is. Exactly Well,
2:27:49
Speaker 12: it's hard to argue we were talking on fair. This
2:27:52
Speaker 12: has been really weird, just like forty eight hour seventy
2:27:56
Speaker 12: two hour jazz news cycle. I did a couple of
2:27:59
Speaker 12: hits this morning, and I think I'm I'm in a
2:28:03
Speaker 12: different lane than I think most people.
2:28:05
Speaker 3: I was listening to you earlier.
2:28:06
Speaker 12: I was actually in the car when you started your show,
2:28:08
Speaker 12: so I was able to hear the start of it,
2:28:10
Speaker 12: and then I was listening like Zach Lowe and I
2:28:12
Speaker 12: caught the NBA today, guys a little bit. My opinion
2:28:16
Speaker 12: is the Jazz did deserve this. My opinion is the
2:28:19
Speaker 12: Jazz absolutely deserve to be punished. What I continue to
2:28:23
Speaker 12: be confused about is why is it only the Jazz? Sure,
2:28:28
Speaker 12: Sure the pacers one hundred thousand of the pacer. That's
2:28:30
Speaker 12: window dressing. Okay. So I hear a lot of people like, Hey,
2:28:34
Speaker 12: the Jazz didn't deserve Yeah, they did. The Jazz have
2:28:36
Speaker 12: been unseerious about competing for years now, and this isn't
2:28:40
Speaker 12: the first year that they've manipulated lineups in the name
2:28:42
Speaker 12: of draft capital. It's not the first year they've made
2:28:45
Speaker 12: player acquisitions and decisions in the name of trying to
2:28:48
Speaker 12: position themselves for the draft. The Jazz deserved this. Let
2:28:52
Speaker 12: me say that very clearly. The Jazz deserved this. Okay,
2:28:55
Speaker 12: all right, but so does Washington, Yeah, okay, and so
2:28:58
Speaker 12: does Sacramento.
2:28:59
Speaker 3: And I could keep going.
2:29:00
Speaker 12: Chris Mannix from Sports Illustrator wrote a really good piece
2:29:03
Speaker 12: yesterday and he identified ten teams. Now where we get
2:29:07
Speaker 12: lost a little bit in the minutia is the approach.
2:29:09
Speaker 12: And I think it's fair to say the Jazz were
2:29:11
Speaker 12: a little bit more intentional and in your face about
2:29:13
Speaker 12: what they were doing, But that shouldn't matter.
2:29:15
Speaker 3: It doesn't change the exercise.
2:29:17
Speaker 12: I don't even agree with that, but we can disagree
2:29:21
Speaker 12: all you want about that. It shouldn't matter. If you're
2:29:23
Speaker 12: going to find teams for tanking them, all, you have
2:29:26
Speaker 12: to find every team that's un serious about competing. Sure,
2:29:29
Speaker 12: if it's the Jazz sitting their best players in the fourth,
2:29:31
Speaker 12: that's fine.
2:29:32
Speaker 3: If it's teams.
2:29:33
Speaker 12: And by the way, this minute restriction bs like, shut up,
2:29:36
Speaker 12: that's so insulting. That's the most bad faith thing I've
2:29:39
Speaker 12: heard anybody say. Larry was not on a minute restriction.
2:29:43
Speaker 12: We saw in three games prior to play thirty eight minutes.
2:29:46
Speaker 12: Jaron Jackson Junior looked awesome in forty nine minutes. And yes,
2:29:49
Speaker 12: I know we're supposed to do the thing where it's
2:29:51
Speaker 12: like knee surgery is serious. Okay, that's fine, but this
2:29:54
Speaker 12: is a smoke screen for what's actually going on, and
2:29:57
Speaker 12: every single team that's doing it is using different ways
2:30:00
Speaker 12: to go about it, but it doesn't change what they're
2:30:02
Speaker 12: all doing. So let's be clear, the Jazz deserve this,
2:30:04
Speaker 12: but nine other teams do as well.
2:30:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, well let's make it a family analogy. Now, okay,
2:30:14
Speaker 4: all right?
2:30:15
Speaker 3: Now? Is this planned or are we just going?
2:30:16
Speaker 4: Every check it's kid, Every check it's kid does the
2:30:21
Speaker 4: same thing wrong, steals a dollar from dad just one
2:30:26
Speaker 4: walks right up to dad and takes that out of
2:30:27
Speaker 4: his wallet.
2:30:28
Speaker 3: One waits still Dad's asleep, and then goes in and
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Speaker 3: takes that.
2:30:31
Speaker 4: One waits until Dad throws a spare change in the
2:30:33
Speaker 4: dish and then takes four quarters out of there. Every
2:30:36
Speaker 4: check it's kid steals a dollar from dad, and Dad
2:30:39
Speaker 4: finds spence and goes, you're the one I'm punishing.
2:30:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you deserve it? We all deserve it. I
2:30:46
Speaker 3: think you underscore my point. But okay, so I can't
2:30:49
Speaker 3: be under underscoring your point. Now. Do all of the
2:30:53
Speaker 3: other kids say I deserve to be punished? Y? Yes, Sean,
2:30:56
Speaker 3: they do. They don't say that, but they should be.
2:30:59
Speaker 3: Do they feel that way genuinely? Of course?
2:31:01
Speaker 12: Who's going Who's going to call the league office and
2:31:03
Speaker 12: volunteer to be fined five hundred thousand dollars?
2:31:06
Speaker 4: They don't have to, that's the thing is like, it
2:31:08
Speaker 4: would be an injustice. Now, the injustice that has been
2:31:11
Speaker 4: done to your dad. Thanks for being part of the
2:31:14
Speaker 4: show today. Mister checkis, by the way, the injustice that's
2:31:19
Speaker 4: been done to him because you all took a dollar.
2:31:21
Speaker 4: Now he has amplified that injustice and made it one
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Speaker 4: hundred times worse because he only selected Spence to punish,
2:31:29
Speaker 4: but he should so.
2:31:30
Speaker 3: It selected every kid to punish.
2:31:32
Speaker 4: But he didn't, but he should, right, So he is
2:31:35
Speaker 4: now more wrong than you were for taking the dollar
2:31:37
Speaker 4: in the short.
2:31:37
Speaker 12: And yes, the league is wrong for not punishing every
2:31:40
Speaker 12: team the same.
2:31:40
Speaker 3: Who's doing this.
2:31:41
Speaker 12: I'm not really clear on exactly where you're trying to
2:31:44
Speaker 12: go with this.
2:31:44
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just saying that your outrage is correctly placed.
2:31:48
Speaker 4: You can be outraged at not competing, but you should
2:31:52
Speaker 4: also be outraged at the NBA. I am for unequal
2:31:56
Speaker 4: enforcement for singling out the Utah Jazz for the injustice
2:32:00
Speaker 4: of that, because you either care about the justice of
2:32:03
Speaker 4: punishing for tanking or you don't, and people like me
2:32:08
Speaker 4: I'm mad that the Jazz are singled out. If you
2:32:10
Speaker 4: want to punish everyone, I'd be like, yeah, okay. Ryan
2:32:13
Speaker 4: Smith can afford it moving on, and now I don't
2:32:16
Speaker 4: have anything to talk about on the show today, So
2:32:18
Speaker 4: I guess I benefit from the fact that Adam Silver
2:32:20
Speaker 4: is an inconsistent parent.
2:32:22
Speaker 12: It's actually not a bad point to bring up, because
2:32:24
Speaker 12: there is part of me, after listening to like four
2:32:27
Speaker 12: podcasts this morning, listening to you watching NBA today, part
2:32:31
Speaker 12: of me is like, is this manufactured media outrage to
2:32:34
Speaker 12: bring interest to a league that's dormant for five and
2:32:36
Speaker 12: a half months because the regular season products sucks? Like,
2:32:39
Speaker 12: is that what we're doing? The games are boring because
2:32:41
Speaker 12: players don't want to play. People only care about the postseason.
2:32:45
Speaker 12: All you do is flex your seventy two billion dollar
2:32:47
Speaker 12: TV deal at us. Because this is not a new
2:32:51
Speaker 12: phenomenon in pro basketball. I cannot yell that enough. This
2:32:56
Speaker 12: has happened for thirty years. We went over the David
2:32:58
Speaker 12: Robinson example, yes, and there are plenty more where that
2:33:02
Speaker 12: came from. So the fact that this is the conversation
2:33:06
Speaker 12: on the precipice of Shaboozy performing at All Star Weekend,
2:33:10
Speaker 12: which we haven't talked about once, by the way, shame
2:33:12
Speaker 12: on us. Is this manufactured NBA media outrage to try
2:33:16
Speaker 12: to get attention on a league that people don't give
2:33:18
Speaker 12: a rip about.
2:33:19
Speaker 3: Because the regular season product is so bad.
2:33:22
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe uh, before I leave, I turn it over
2:33:26
Speaker 4: to the drive.
2:33:28
Speaker 3: It is daring of grievances every Friday.
2:33:30
Speaker 4: Here we going about me grievance with Spencer saying consummate
2:33:33
Speaker 4: when it comes to trades. You know, no one uses
2:33:36
Speaker 4: that word for NBA trades. He's probably gonna use it
2:33:40
Speaker 4: even more now that I've mentioned it, but whatever.
2:33:41
Speaker 3: You're damn right. Yes, that's exactly right. That is the word.
2:33:45
Speaker 12: You remember pee Wee's playoffs, the word of the day,
2:33:47
Speaker 12: what everybody would scream.
2:33:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, consummate is the word of the day.
2:33:49
Speaker 12: Okay, every transaction from here on out, henceforth and forever
2:33:54
Speaker 12: will be consummated.
2:33:55
Speaker 3: From two to six on ESPN seven hundred, thank you
2:33:57
Speaker 3: Jordan for a way. Thank you, Jordan, appreciate it. Pal,
2:34:00
Speaker 3: have a great show today, Spanks, buddy, good to see you.
2:34:03
Speaker 4: TUSA Women's hockey up one zero on Italy and James
2:34:08
Speaker 4: owes us both baclavash shakes because Spence said five to two,
2:34:11
Speaker 4: I said four to one for the men's final, and
2:34:15
Speaker 4: neither score landed any other score under the Sun and
2:34:18
Speaker 4: that means James lost the bets somehow, So thanks James.
2:34:22
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do what Ryan Smith has doesn't have the
2:34:25
Speaker 5: guts to do and be like, I'm not paying the fine.
2:34:27
Speaker 4: Oh okay, he's gonna pull a Ryan Smith and push
2:34:29
Speaker 4: back on the fine. Great Sean O'Connell Show is done.
2:34:33
Speaker 4: Have a great weekend. We're back live on Tuesday. Have
2:34:36
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