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- 1:11We so appreciate it. The first story that I have for
- 1:14you guys is we have to talk about how Reddit is blocking the
- 1:19Internet Archive. We literally spoke about the
- 1:23Internet Archive a couple of weeks ago.
- 1:25But as a quick refresher, the Internet Archive is a nonprofit
- 1:28organization that hosts a free digital library.
- 1:31It essentially lets you view links and digital materials that
- 1:34have been deleted or altered, making them challenging to find
- 1:37otherwise. It also runs the Wayback Machine
- 1:40where you can drop links into a basically like a search box and
- 1:43see old versions of a website. Obviously, the Internet Archive
- 1:46and Wayback Machine are really important in terms of accessing
- 1:50information as Reddit, but it seems that now the two are at
- 1:55odds. Reddit has come to the
- 1:56conclusion that various AI companies are using the Internet
- 2:00Archives tool to scrape the platform.
- 2:03Reddit has been really strict when it comes to AI scraping of
- 2:05the platform. This is largely because it has
- 2:08struck deals with tech and AI companies to be able to do so.
- 2:12So it has become basically like a revenue generating tool for
- 2:15the company. For example, Reddit signed a
- 2:17deal with Google for both search and AI training in early 2024.
- 2:21It also struck a deal with Open AI last year.
- 2:23And earlier this year, Reddit actually sued another AI
- 2:26company, Anthropic. So Reddit allege that the
- 2:29company was scraping the platform and had accessed the
- 2:31site over 100, 1000 times without permission.
- 2:34With that context, it isn't exactly surprising as to why
- 2:38Reddit would be basically doubling down on the Internet
- 2:40Archive. Now.
- 2:41In a comment to The Verge, a Reddit spokesperson said quote
- 2:44Internet Archive provides a service to the open web.
- 2:47But we've been made aware of instances where AI companies
- 2:50violate platform policies, including hours and scrape data
- 2:54from the Wayback Machine until they're able to defend their
- 2:57site and comply with platform policies, EG respecting user
- 3:00privacy, redeleting removed content.
- 3:03We're limiting some of their access to Reddit data and to
- 3:05protect Redditors. According to the same article,
- 3:08the efforts to limit access to Reddit through the Internet
- 3:11Archive have already started. The company also confirmed to
- 3:14the publication that the platform had reached out to the
- 3:16Internet Archive before all of this to inform them of their
- 3:20limits. OK, so there has been some
- 3:22interesting discourse around this.
- 3:23Some Internet users feel like it's hypocritical for Reddit to
- 3:26essentially like, sell out by making deals with AI companies
- 3:30like Open II and then claim that they they are worried about
- 3:34protecting Redditors. Meanwhile, others are actually
- 3:37OK with the Internet Archive having limited access to Reddit,
- 3:41not because of AI scraping, but because they don't necessarily
- 3:44want these somewhat personal conversations online forever.
- 3:47On top of this, like with every story around the Internet
- 3:50Archive, there are also questions about what this means
- 3:54in terms of access of information, whether a platform
- 3:57should be able to dictate what lives on the archive and what
- 4:00doesn't. Finally, there are still several
- 4:03questions around how many AI companies are actually using the
- 4:07Internet Archive to scrape Reddit.
- 4:09There's a lot of people who are kind of skeptical about whether
- 4:12this is actually about AI or part of more of like a general
- 4:15war against digital bookkeeping and archiving that is slowly
- 4:19taking over at the digital space.
- 4:21While there have been some wins for the Internet Archive, like a
- 4:25few weeks ago we covered how the US government designated it as
- 4:29basically a federal library, there have also been many
- 4:32outages and problems. Many users see the digital space
- 4:36entering a new age of censorship, and the Internet
- 4:38Archive is kind of caught in the middle of that.
- 4:41I do see both sides, but I also do agree it is like hypocritical
- 4:45for Reddit to use this excuse. Like they just want these deals
- 4:49that they have in place. In my opinion, they just want
- 4:51these deals that they have in place with all of these AI
- 4:53companies to withstand, right? Like there could be things in
- 4:57these contracts where it's like, if you find out that other
- 5:00companies are scraping your data when we've had to pay presumably
- 5:03millions of dollars for it, then you need to put a stop to that.
- 5:06So yeah, I, I feel like that it's, it comes down to money.
- 5:09They want Internet Archive to pay them, you know, like the
- 5:12other AI companies, probably. It is so true that at this
- 5:15current moment, there genuinely is like a war against archiving
- 5:19information and information bookkeeping and all of the
- 5:23things that the Internet Archive tries to do.
- 5:26I cannot believe how much they've come up just in the last
- 5:29year. And I do think a lot of these
- 5:31like, or I guess the the rise of AI, the boom of AI does have a
- 5:35lot to do with that. OK, Speaking of AI, the next
- 5:37story that we have is we need to touch on at the very least open
- 5:42a eyes release of GPT 5 S GPT 5 was released last week on August
- 5:497th and was rolled out to all ChatGPT users and developers.
- 5:53It's billed as the quote smartest, fastest, most useful
- 5:56model yet, which is not a surprise given that these
- 5:59companies always describe their latest models as the best yet.
- 6:03While the updated model is available to all users, there is
- 6:06a limit on the usage of the most advanced model for non on paying
- 6:10users. Before we get into the response
- 6:12of the update, let's talk a little bit about the features.
- 6:15OK, so the company's press release on the website offers
- 6:18some explanation as to why GBT 5 is supposedly the best model
- 6:23yet. Part of it comes down to its
- 6:24ability to answer questions more efficiently.
- 6:28As it's written quote, GPT 5 is a unified system with a smart,
- 6:31efficient model that answers more questions, a deeper
- 6:34reasoning model for harder problems, and a real time router
- 6:38that quickly decides which to use based on conversation type,
- 6:41complexity, tool needs, and your explicit intent.
- 6:44The company positions GPT 5 as a trailblazer, encoding creative
- 6:49expression, answering health related questions, which feels
- 6:53kind of weird, evaluations, performing economic tasks, among
- 6:58other claims. There's also been a concerted
- 7:00effort to limit ChatGPT from sharing incorrect information
- 7:04and hallucinating responses, instead hoping that the model
- 7:07will start admitting when it cannot complete a task.
- 7:10There are also opportunities to make the AI more personalized.
- 7:14Users can now change how ChatGPT acts with four preset
- 7:19personalities, as Open AI explains.
- 7:22Quote the four initial options. Cynic, robot listener, and Nerd
- 7:25are opt in, adjustable, anytime, and settings and designed to
- 7:29match your communication style. Cynic, I think that's the one
- 7:33that I would always choose if I was using this model.
- 7:35I'm going to go with Cynic because I always want to know
- 7:38the worst case scenario. Like I want to know why
- 7:41something's not going to work. I want to know why I'm
- 7:43delusional. Like I want to prepare for the
- 7:47worst at all times. OK so now we should go into the
- 7:50reactions to the rollout which was not very positive.
- 7:54For context, 1 post on the R slash ChatGPT subreddit titled
- 7:59GPT 5 is a mess has received over 1.4000 upvotes.
- 8:04Another user on the R slash out of the loop subreddit asked why
- 8:08the reaction to GPT 5 has been so negative.
- 8:11The top answer reads GPT 5 feels like it was developed with a
- 8:15strong focus on cost optimization.
- 8:18Conversations are less personal, the answers are shorter, and it
- 8:21feels more you are writing to someone in a business context.
- 8:25Now this brings us to one of the main criticisms about GPT 5, the
- 8:29supposed lack of quote connection and creativity.
- 8:32This was worsened by the fact that to encourage users to try
- 8:36out GPT 5, the GPT 4-O model has been removed from the platform.
- 8:41This was met with major backlash from ChatGPT users who enjoyed
- 8:47GPT 5 for its personable tone. Nevertheless, open AI ended up
- 8:51bringing GPT 4. O back as an option quote.
- 8:55We will let plus users choose to continue to use four O.
- 8:59We will watch usage as we think about how long to offer legacy
- 9:02models for Sam Altman shared on X reporting from The Verge and
- 9:06the garbage day newsletter both expanded on the reasons as to
- 9:09why users were so upset about GPT 4 OS removal.
- 9:13As I already mentioned, many were kind of mourning this like
- 9:16more personable model. Now, obviously the personable
- 9:20model has kind of become a bit of a blessing and a curse.
- 9:24It has helped some people feel less lonely, but it has also led
- 9:28to ChatGPT and do psychosis and some users building romantic
- 9:33relationships with the bot. As Ryan Brodrick explains for
- 9:36garbage day quote the R slash My boyfriend is AI subreddit has
- 9:40been in active freefall all weekend.
- 9:42The community's mods had to put up an emergency post helping
- 9:46users through the update, and the board is full of users
- 9:49mourning the death of their AI companion who doesn't talk to
- 9:53them the same way anymore. 1 user wrote that the update felt
- 9:56like losing their soul mate after the GPT 4-O model was
- 10:01added back to ChatGPT. Another user wrote I got my baby
- 10:05back. No, no, no, you guys, no.
- 10:11Do you guys remember the movie Her?
- 10:13Like this is what we're living through?
- 10:15That was some like crazy futuristic.
- 10:19Like, could you imagine if somebody fell in love with their
- 10:23AI robot? Like, I can't believe that this
- 10:25is what we're experiencing in real life right now.
- 10:28Now that being said, Open AI has reportedly put a system in place
- 10:31to try and limit these obsessions.
- 10:34ChatGPT is now meant to warn the user when it seems like they may
- 10:37be quote UN quote obsessed. As per reporting by Futurism, A
- 10:41blog post by Open AI reads quote, keeping you in control of
- 10:44your time. Starting today, you'll see
- 10:47gentle reminders during long sessions to encourage breaks.
- 10:50We'll keep tuning when and how they show up so they feel
- 10:53natural and helpful. All right, the last word that I
- 10:56have today is all about in Instagram maps.
- 11:00If you've been on social media at all recently, there has
- 11:03essentially been a scare campaign going on about
- 11:06Instagram maps. This is a new feature introduced
- 11:09by Instagram that is essentially meant to compete with Snap Maps
- 11:12and find my As explained in the Meta blog quote, you can opt
- 11:16into sharing your last active location with friends you
- 11:19choose, and you can turn it off anytime.
- 11:21You can also open the map to see content your friends and
- 11:24favorite creators are posting from interesting or fun
- 11:27locations. Jen said has really embraced
- 11:29location tracking, so it seems like Meta is trying to kind of
- 11:32tap into that. I've also seen a lot of people
- 11:34say this is just another example of Big Tech trying to surveil us
- 11:37even more. So many posts online right now
- 11:41are talking about how Instagram Maps is a privacy risk,
- 11:45encouraging Instagram users to go and basically make sure
- 11:47they're not sharing their location unwillingly.
- 11:50It has been positioned as something that users have to opt
- 11:53out of, as opposed to something that users have to opt into.
- 11:56But according to the same Meta blog quote, location sharing is
- 12:00off unless you opt in. If you do share your location
- 12:03with friends, you have controls to customize this experience.
- 12:07Now, we don't have this feature in Australia yet, so like I
- 12:10can't confirm whether this is really the case or not.
- 12:12I do think that is reasonable. I would be really surprised if
- 12:19everybody's location was just naturally opted in.
- 12:22I don't know. But like if you guys have
- 12:24Instagram maps, can you please let me know?
- 12:27I think it was Macy from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
- 12:30She did a question box. Somebody said, hey, like your
- 12:33maps is on, we can see your location.
- 12:35She responded to it on her story saying I didn't turn it on, but
- 12:39also the location that meta map says that I am like I'm not
- 12:43there. So I don't understand how this
- 12:45works. If you guys have it, please let
- 12:48me know. Obviously there's some other
- 12:49issues with it. You know, apparently it updates
- 12:52your location whenever you're using the app, so that's
- 12:55something to have to think about.
- 12:56Second, it can be easy to share your location with users that
- 12:59you don't necessarily want to based on the settings.
- 13:02So Instagram users can share their location with friends and
- 13:05followers that you follow back. close friends only selected
- 13:08friends or no one. So obviously users should be
- 13:11careful you know who they select here.
- 13:14And 3rd. Some users allegedly saw their
- 13:16posts on the map before they opted in, according to the New
- 13:19York Times quote. One explanation offered by
- 13:21Instagrams leader Adam Masseri is that the map was populated
- 13:25not only with real time locations, but also with earlier
- 13:29posts tagged with a location. Either way, I feel like the
- 13:32comms around Instagram maps has been an actual nightmare and and
- 13:37they really should have been more considered about this
- 13:40rollout because people are so concerned about big tech
- 13:44surveillance about just in general privacy concerns right
- 13:48now. And I think rolling this out
- 13:49without very clear communications as to how it
- 13:53works, when it will update your location, who it can be updated
- 13:57for, if it's an automatic opt in or not.
- 13:59Like that needed to be like a widely spread message because
- 14:03there are so many like conspiracy theories going around
- 14:05about this. And of course, everybody hates
- 14:08Meta, so everybody is inclined to believe those.
- 14:11All right guys, that's it for mini scroll today, Mini tech
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