Latest / Dos Amigos / Built on Purpose with Joe Huff
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- 0:09Speaker 1: Hey, how you doing.
- 0:09Speaker 2: This is Freddie Rodriguez and I'm wilmer about the rama.
- 0:13Speaker 3: Welcome to the DOOS podcast where all of our dreams come.
- 0:16Speaker 1: True, All of our dreams come true.
- 0:18Speaker 2: Today we have another great episode.
- 0:20Speaker 3: Very excited to tap into some inspiration keeping giving all
- 0:25Speaker 3: of our dogs community, uh more things too. I realized
- 0:29Speaker 3: that you got what it takes to actually live a
- 0:31Speaker 3: happy life.
- 0:31Speaker 1: I guess that's right. And a real third amigo.
- 0:34Speaker 2: Yes, I like to introduce everyone to Joe Huff.
- 0:38Speaker 4: Joe.
- 0:39Speaker 3: Joey is a very dear, very dear friend of mine.
- 0:43Speaker 3: We've known each other for many, many many years and
- 0:47Speaker 3: I we'll dive right into it. But above it all,
- 0:49Speaker 3: he's an author, he's an entrepreneur, he's an incredible father,
- 0:54Speaker 3: he's a you know, like a C plus friend. It
- 0:58Speaker 3: kind of goes yes, but he's very good Chicago. And
- 1:04Speaker 3: I will also say, you know, he is the godfather
- 1:07Speaker 3: to my daughter and I kind of very interesting. I
- 1:10Speaker 3: hope is that it's something happened to me that they
- 1:14Speaker 3: pick it up where I left off.
- 1:15Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe be would have to be.
- 1:21Speaker 2: Joe, Welcome to those podcast.
- 1:23Speaker 3: I'm very excited to have you finally have look, we
- 1:26Speaker 3: we as we were continuing to talk about, you know,
- 1:31Speaker 3: the themes of this season, you know, which is like
- 1:35Speaker 3: what are we living on the table, like what are
- 1:37Speaker 3: we letting.
- 1:39Speaker 2: Go of ourselves?
- 1:39Speaker 3: But also how we building a more uh uh you know,
- 1:44Speaker 3: a space that makes things possible, you know, and more
- 1:47Speaker 3: and more and more possible space.
- 1:49Speaker 4: You know.
- 1:50Speaker 3: I think the idea that you can find happiness and
- 1:55Speaker 3: not just who you are, but the strengths that you've
- 1:58Speaker 3: yet to recognize, I think is really interesting.
- 2:00Speaker 2: You've had quite an amazing.
- 2:01Speaker 3: Story, and I would love to share your heart and
- 2:04Speaker 3: your spirit with everybody that listens to those amigos. But
- 2:09Speaker 3: starting from scratch, wouldn't you tell us a little bit
- 2:12Speaker 3: about you.
- 2:13Speaker 2: Know, where you're from. I know you guys were talking
- 2:14Speaker 2: about Chicago.
- 2:15Speaker 1: You were shutdown, baby, shutdown.
- 2:18Speaker 5: First of all, I didn't know there were going to
- 2:19Speaker 5: be hard questions. I'm probably gonna dip out starting off
- 2:25Speaker 5: hart Yeah. Yeah, originally yeah, from Chicago, but we moved
- 2:29Speaker 5: when I was a kid to Sokel and I acclimated
- 2:32Speaker 5: too well. I think it's why the sunny weather every
- 2:35Speaker 5: time I go back to Chicago and it's not fall
- 2:37Speaker 5: or spring. Yeah, I remember why my parents decided moving
- 2:42Speaker 5: was a good idea.
- 2:42Speaker 1: But no polar vortex for you.
- 2:45Speaker 5: No, yeah, yeah, I was just back actually in Minneapolis
- 2:48Speaker 5: for some work and there's like negative seventeen. It's like
- 2:51Speaker 5: almost like eighty four degrees in LA when I left.
- 2:54Speaker 5: But yeah, so it's it's great to be a so
- 2:58Speaker 5: cal person with perspective. I feel like that's important. You
- 3:02Speaker 5: know a lot of people you hear say things like
- 3:04Speaker 5: I just want to live where there are seasons that
- 3:06Speaker 5: have never lived where there are seasons. It's a little
- 3:09Speaker 5: bit yeah, it's a little bit of a statement, but uh, yeah.
- 3:12Speaker 5: I I grew up in Sokeel, not too far from
- 3:16Speaker 5: the LA area, like thirty forty minutes away, and you know,
- 3:19Speaker 5: I had a kind of crazy adolescence where.
- 3:22Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I wasn't going to go into that. But now, yeah,
- 3:28Speaker 3: I don't know where we're at.
- 3:29Speaker 5: You got it.
- 3:30Speaker 2: I got that exactly where we're at now, you got No.
- 3:33Speaker 3: I'm happy that you bring that up because they think
- 3:35Speaker 3: that that adventure is like, let's get it down. Mentality
- 3:38Speaker 3: comes from somewhere, and you definitely cultivated it at a
- 3:42Speaker 3: very specific time of your life. You know, Joe had
- 3:45Speaker 3: very long heavy metal hair really.
- 3:51Speaker 2: For those who are going to be watching that picture
- 3:54Speaker 2: on the screen also that at some point. But yeah,
- 4:00Speaker 2: he uh.
- 4:01Speaker 3: The first time I met him, he said, Hi, I
- 4:03Speaker 3: am Joey.
- 4:09Speaker 4: Does What year was it?
- 4:10Speaker 2: That was his go to? I don't remember. We both
- 4:12Speaker 2: like tequila back then.
- 4:13Speaker 5: Yeah, it was actually about twenty six years ago, believe
- 4:17Speaker 5: it or not.
- 4:18Speaker 4: Yeah, we were both ten something like that.
- 4:22Speaker 3: And yeah, but so, do you have any brothers? You know,
- 4:25Speaker 3: tell us a little bit about your family.
- 4:27Speaker 5: Two older brothers, you know, they're there West Coast, once
- 4:31Speaker 5: in San Francisco, the other ones in Irvine, kids, wives,
- 4:35Speaker 5: the whole shebang. I'm the youngest, and yeah, typical kind
- 4:41Speaker 5: of sokeel stranger.
- 4:42Speaker 2: Fairy, typical upbringing.
- 4:44Speaker 5: You know, a lot of BMX bikes, you know, right
- 4:46Speaker 5: around on trails, kind of lack of supervision, latch key.
- 4:49Speaker 1: Kids come home and the lights go turn straight up
- 4:54Speaker 1: and maybe yeah, maybe your mom's scream if it was
- 4:57Speaker 1: too dark, Like, yeah, wait, how did you two meet?
- 5:03Speaker 4: Though?
- 5:03Speaker 1: What was the what was the long hair? And the.
- 5:06Speaker 2: So how do I say this?
- 5:09Speaker 4: And it was delicate for him.
- 5:13Speaker 3: I was doing my first movie ever, cool summer catch
- 5:17Speaker 3: starting Freddy Prince Junior and Jessica Biel, Matt t. Lillar, who,
- 5:20Speaker 3: by the way, shout out to Matt de Lillard. He
- 5:23Speaker 3: was a major class act. On on that said, he
- 5:26Speaker 3: was like just an amazing nurser and friend, incredible man
- 5:29Speaker 3: Mark Bluke, Cedric Pendleton, Christian Kane, Brian Denahey, fred.
- 5:36Speaker 2: Ward just like.
- 5:39Speaker 3: It was so fun and was same producers Baschadory Blues.
- 5:41Speaker 3: It was this beautiful baseball movie. We were in South Polk, Okayland.
- 5:45Speaker 3: And at the time, you know, Joe and and Freddie
- 5:48Speaker 3: Prince Junior, which I have been remained really good friends
- 5:52Speaker 3: this whole time. Uh, they were best friends and I
- 5:54Speaker 3: think were you guys roommates.
- 5:55Speaker 4: Roommates for like five years.
- 5:57Speaker 5: I met Freddie when he first moved from New Mexico
- 6:00Speaker 5: to La before he had ever acted in anything, and
- 6:03Speaker 5: he was in my other roommates acting class and he
- 6:07Speaker 5: needed a place to live and we had an extra room,
- 6:10Speaker 5: so I was like, yeah, sure, you got a friend
- 6:11Speaker 5: that wants to move in. He moved in, and then
- 6:14Speaker 5: he got a couple of jobs, and then one of
- 6:16Speaker 5: them turned out to be a number one movie.
- 6:18Speaker 4: Right it was I know what you did last summer?
- 6:23Speaker 1: Oh wow, were you? Were you all actors?
- 6:27Speaker 4: Yeah?
- 6:27Speaker 5: No, I was just trying to figure out life still
- 6:31Speaker 5: at that time.
- 6:32Speaker 4: Voice.
- 6:33Speaker 5: Yeah, I was acting like a bartender mostly and a waiter, yeah,
- 6:40Speaker 5: a mover all kinds of things.
- 6:42Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 6:43Speaker 3: When did you get the first bug to entrepreneurship when
- 6:46Speaker 3: we were like, oh, you know, I like to start
- 6:48Speaker 3: this aster that, you know, I like.
- 6:50Speaker 4: To build things.
- 6:51Speaker 5: I just always felt one thing I think I got
- 6:54Speaker 5: from my parents which was really helpful, is my dad
- 6:59Speaker 5: specifically always maybe believe I could do anything.
- 7:02Speaker 4: And I think that's really powerful.
- 7:04Speaker 5: And it wasn't that my dad was like some super
- 7:06Speaker 5: successful person, but he really instilled in me that.
- 7:09Speaker 4: If you think you can do something, you do it.
- 7:12Speaker 5: Go do it. You could do it, why can't you?
- 7:14Speaker 5: And that mentality really stuck. And I really had a
- 7:17Speaker 5: couple of key moments though, you know, as I alluded
- 7:21Speaker 5: to earlier, but I had like a crazy adolescence that
- 7:24Speaker 5: got really this exclamation point where I just started to
- 7:28Speaker 5: figure things out.
- 7:29Speaker 4: I got and kicked out of high school. I figured
- 7:31Speaker 4: out how to get back into high school.
- 7:32Speaker 5: I started figuring out that maybe the decisions I was
- 7:35Speaker 5: making were actually terrible yeah, and I was looking at
- 7:38Speaker 5: my friends. A lot of people were going to jail,
- 7:40Speaker 5: and a lot of other terrible things were going on.
- 7:42Speaker 5: And I started to turn my life around, got back
- 7:45Speaker 5: into high school, and right before I graduated, my dad
- 7:50Speaker 5: had a heart attack. I came downstairs. He's white as
- 7:53Speaker 5: a sheet and dreshed in sweabs. This really crazy moment.
- 7:57Speaker 5: Oh my god, my dad's having a heart attack, and
- 8:00Speaker 5: we turn him the hospital. But it turned out it
- 8:02Speaker 5: wasn't a heart attack. He actually had advanced stage heart disease,
- 8:05Speaker 5: and so it was failing and he wound up going
- 8:07Speaker 5: on life support and needing a heart transplant. And it
- 8:10Speaker 5: was this period of a couple months of just this
- 8:13Speaker 5: just intense fear of Wow, like all the things my
- 8:18Speaker 5: dad always wanted to do, he's not going to get
- 8:20Speaker 5: a chance to do those things. He was only forty
- 8:21Speaker 5: eight years old. It was just crazy and it just
- 8:25Speaker 5: woke me up. That was like this really powerful moment
- 8:28Speaker 5: of life can change in an instant. Yeah, and you know,
- 8:33Speaker 5: the most important thing is our time. And we all
- 8:36Speaker 5: talk about it, but do we really get especially when
- 8:38Speaker 5: you're young, right, we all think we're going to live
- 8:39Speaker 5: forever and all that and really what happened was my
- 8:42Speaker 5: dad got the transplant and immediately had to like change
- 8:46Speaker 5: his entire life around because he realized he had done
- 8:48Speaker 5: all these things he wanted to do with his life,
- 8:50Speaker 5: and that watching him just kind of go after his
- 8:54Speaker 5: dreams and goals really inspired me to take action, not
- 8:59Speaker 5: just think I could do things, but like, I should
- 9:01Speaker 5: figure this out and start trying. And that was really
- 9:04Speaker 5: the impetus. I think to, like, what do I want
- 9:06Speaker 5: to do with my life? And I literally tried my
- 9:09Speaker 5: first company. I graduated high school and immediately great side story,
- 9:14Speaker 5: moved to the beach with two girls I met at
- 9:16Speaker 5: a party the week before.
- 9:20Speaker 4: The roommates didn't last.
- 9:21Speaker 5: They only lasted a few months, but I had already
- 9:24Speaker 5: made it to the beach, so I got new roommates
- 9:26Speaker 5: that yeah, exactly, I got different roommates and wound up
- 9:30Speaker 5: staying at the beach, and one of those roommates inspired
- 9:33Speaker 5: me to start my first clothing company, which was T
- 9:37Speaker 5: shirts that were grabbing T shirts that we made with
- 9:40Speaker 5: a credit card, my first ever credit card that I
- 9:42Speaker 5: maxed out immediately, and that company, as we all not,
- 9:46Speaker 5: turned into one of the most successful T shirt companies
- 9:48Speaker 5: of all time, which is I'm just kidding on My
- 9:50Speaker 5: lasted about a year, way more shirts than we sold
- 9:56Speaker 5: our friends all had.
- 9:57Speaker 4: Sure, turns out that's not a good business.
- 10:00Speaker 5: Plan, but it was a great experience and to me
- 10:03Speaker 5: it kind of gave me the bug of like, oh,
- 10:05Speaker 5: I should try to build something after it. I pay
- 10:08Speaker 5: off this credit card. But what was.
- 10:21Speaker 1: The one thing that you saw after your dad got well?
- 10:23Speaker 1: Because you said something interesting, you said, you know, my
- 10:26Speaker 1: dad got well and he decided that he was going
- 10:29Speaker 1: to change things around and follow specific goals that he
- 10:32Speaker 1: wasn't following before, Like what was a goal? What was
- 10:36Speaker 1: the one thing that stood out the most that he
- 10:37Speaker 1: did once he got well.
- 10:39Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, there's a couple That's a great question
- 10:41Speaker 5: because there's a couple different answers in that question. And
- 10:45Speaker 5: really he was also part of the story that I
- 10:48Speaker 5: left out. He got out of the hospital and he
- 10:50Speaker 5: was on permanent disability, like he had like this crazy
- 10:53Speaker 5: limited income of like seven hundred dollars a month.
- 10:56Speaker 1: And.
- 10:58Speaker 5: He could have easily just kind of curled up in
- 11:01Speaker 5: a ball and just said, yeah, I'm just gonna stay
- 11:03Speaker 5: close to the doctors and the hospital and all that stuff,
- 11:06Speaker 5: but he knew because of what had happened, right, this
- 11:08Speaker 5: is like, this is this crazy risk, this is my
- 11:11Speaker 5: one and only life. So he not only had to
- 11:14Speaker 5: make decisions, we had to make decisions with these extraordinary constraints,
- 11:19Speaker 5: both financial and otherwise. Right at the same time, my
- 11:22Speaker 5: parents actually wound up getting divorced, and there was just
- 11:24Speaker 5: this whole mess of situation. And my dad up and
- 11:29Speaker 5: moved to Mexico, to this small beach town where he
- 11:32Speaker 5: could afford to live on this beach in this tiny house.
- 11:36Speaker 5: And it turned out to be like this, you know,
- 11:38Speaker 5: extraordinary decision because it changed this entire last chapter of
- 11:42Speaker 5: his life. He called his last chapter his bonus round, right,
- 11:45Speaker 5: and that was like the kickoff moment to just this
- 11:49Speaker 5: entirely new chapter. I really truly believe it was that
- 11:51Speaker 5: last chapter of his life that changed his life story,
- 11:55Speaker 5: his own eulogy into like the one he was proud of.
- 11:58Speaker 4: He did.
- 11:59Speaker 5: He did all kinds of like kayaking and mountain biking
- 12:01Speaker 5: and about to sale and dancing and all kind of stuff.
- 12:04Speaker 5: I never thought my dad, if you knew my dad
- 12:06Speaker 5: before that, my dad got up at four thirty or
- 12:08Speaker 5: five in the morning, went to work, put a suit on,
- 12:10Speaker 5: went to work, came home at like seven thirty and
- 12:13Speaker 5: I ate dinner, went to bed, repeat, you know, Monday
- 12:16Speaker 5: through Saturday, Sunday.
- 12:18Speaker 4: Did the crossrod puzzle, watch some football. That was it?
- 12:21Speaker 4: Like he I don't, Sadly, I don't.
- 12:23Speaker 5: As much as my dad inspired me by telling me
- 12:25Speaker 5: I could do those things. He didn't go to a
- 12:28Speaker 5: sporting event or I don't remember him in any activity
- 12:32Speaker 5: taking me doing it. There were no moments like that
- 12:35Speaker 5: because he was just working all the time. He was
- 12:37Speaker 5: just trying to get to this imaginary finish line that
- 12:40Speaker 5: maybe doesn't exist.
- 12:41Speaker 4: Right. So that's kind of the lesson.
- 12:43Speaker 5: That I took away from it, Like everybody's planning for this,
- 12:46Speaker 5: you know, let's let's plan for this future that just
- 12:50Speaker 5: might be an apparition.
- 12:51Speaker 4: So that's why I invested in it. Today it's pretty
- 12:54Speaker 4: cuy wow.
- 12:56Speaker 3: So going back to your investments and going and what
- 12:59Speaker 3: you learn from there, what do you said your launched
- 13:01Speaker 3: that a teacher company, and then and then what took
- 13:04Speaker 3: cute to that? Then you started kind of trying to
- 13:07Speaker 3: find your plays again because I remember you just started
- 13:10Speaker 3: doing a little stand up well again, I.
- 13:12Speaker 5: Moved actually So I was still living at the beach then,
- 13:15Speaker 5: and this went on for a few years, and I
- 13:17Speaker 5: was just trying to figure out how to survive and
- 13:19Speaker 5: get by and figure out how to scrape up enough
- 13:21Speaker 5: money to actually start something. Again, I didn't have like
- 13:24Speaker 5: a access to capital or anything. I didn't even know
- 13:27Speaker 5: anybody that had any access to capital or anything like that.
- 13:30Speaker 5: So I was just trying to figure out how to
- 13:32Speaker 5: make enough money to start something that could work. And
- 13:35Speaker 5: after a few years, I just realized the beach was
- 13:38Speaker 5: kind of a smaller environment. I didn't want to get
- 13:40Speaker 5: involved in, like the serve for action sports community, so
- 13:43Speaker 5: I said, you know, I think I'll move to LA
- 13:45Speaker 5: And there was one guy who from high school that
- 13:47Speaker 5: had moved to LA after high school and he lived
- 13:50Speaker 5: in Hollywood, and I told him and he was like,
- 13:52Speaker 5: I need a new place.
- 13:53Speaker 4: So we were found this house and moved up to LA.
- 13:56Speaker 5: And when we got to LA, I was just kind
- 13:59Speaker 5: of trying to figure out things that I like. And
- 14:01Speaker 5: I had always been kind of the comedian, funny friend
- 14:04Speaker 5: or whatever.
- 14:05Speaker 4: You know.
- 14:05Speaker 5: People were like, oh, you should try comedy, and first
- 14:08Speaker 5: of all, absolutely terrifying. One of the most terrifying things. Ever,
- 14:14Speaker 5: there's a great lesson in that though too. But so
- 14:16Speaker 5: I was still I was. I started doing personal training,
- 14:20Speaker 5: all the typical stuff that you hear like people that
- 14:22Speaker 5: are living in LA trying to do.
- 14:24Speaker 3: Yeah, by the way, if anybody noticed that, you know,
- 14:28Speaker 3: the season three of that seventies show, fest was a
- 14:33Speaker 3: little buffer than usually.
- 14:35Speaker 2: It was this guy putting the first time.
- 14:37Speaker 3: But you know what, I also got to say thank
- 14:39Speaker 3: you because you were the first one to say you
- 14:42Speaker 3: got to train now for whatever life you're going to
- 14:45Speaker 3: have after that seventy show.
- 14:47Speaker 2: And I needed to look like who I.
- 14:49Speaker 3: Wanted to play next in the movies, when the TV
- 14:52Speaker 3: shows and all that stuff, and if it wasn't for him,
- 14:55Speaker 3: like transforming the way I thought about my physical appearance
- 14:57Speaker 3: and all that stuff because I was gonny, skinny you
- 14:59Speaker 3: know kid, you know get well.
- 15:02Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean it was I just love
- 15:04Speaker 2: ranch stressing.
- 15:05Speaker 4: I mean.
- 15:09Speaker 3: You craft services was like corn dogs every Friday. But
- 15:12Speaker 3: I think that the thing that really that really uh
- 15:16Speaker 3: stuk might be is like making this long term decisions
- 15:20Speaker 3: at a time where you are coherent enough to understand
- 15:23Speaker 3: that you know you need the runway to get to
- 15:25Speaker 3: the most ambitious version of yourself and you come in
- 15:29Speaker 3: full circle to that moment in time where you started
- 15:32Speaker 3: personal training and all that. And I remember you even
- 15:35Speaker 3: launch another T shirt company.
- 15:37Speaker 2: You know, you learned your lessons from the first one.
- 15:39Speaker 5: Wasn't enough I did. I did not none the lesson
- 15:43Speaker 5: and uh, I was doing the comedy. And by the way,
- 15:47Speaker 5: the actual wardrobe folks on seventies would actually tell me
- 15:51Speaker 5: when you'd go to the taping, they would say, stop training.
- 15:54Speaker 4: Because it's close anymore. They're actually getting mad at me.
- 15:56Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, in their defense my bell bottoms.
- 15:59Speaker 3: Where as they said back then, juicy mo better juicy
- 16:05Speaker 3: against stand up company is really hard. Yeah, So I
- 16:12Speaker 3: started this other T.
- 16:13Speaker 5: Shirt company and I'm doing comedy, like, you know, poorly,
- 16:16Speaker 5: probably just it was fun and it's funny. This is
- 16:20Speaker 5: I like to say that it's a great lesson because
- 16:22Speaker 5: the first time I did stand up, you know, I
- 16:24Speaker 5: was I was plausible as passable, and if people laughed,
- 16:28Speaker 5: I was like, that was really fun. It wasn't like amazing, amazing,
- 16:32Speaker 5: but as hard as it was, it was actually so
- 16:36Speaker 5: much fun that I was like, oh, I could see
- 16:38Speaker 5: doing this more. And I did it more and more
- 16:41Speaker 5: until I actually got good enough that I was performing
- 16:44Speaker 5: pretty regularly, and I grew to really love.
- 16:45Speaker 4: It, and I loved like the whole process of it.
- 16:48Speaker 5: And I think that's a great example of like doing
- 16:51Speaker 5: things you're afraid of and that you're not good at
- 16:53Speaker 5: naturally and seeing what happens, because most people aren't good
- 16:56Speaker 5: at things that are worth doing, you know, the first
- 16:59Speaker 5: time around. Most people start as beginners. Surfing is another
- 17:03Speaker 5: great example. Always say like, I'm a terrible surfer, but
- 17:05Speaker 5: I love it. But if everybody that you know was
- 17:08Speaker 5: a terrible surfer never served, that, no one would serve
- 17:10Speaker 5: because you start off terrible, right. But yeah, So I
- 17:14Speaker 5: started this next T shirt company with a really a
- 17:16Speaker 5: good friend of mine, and you know, it's the same
- 17:20Speaker 5: kind of thing the T shirt companies. It takes off
- 17:23Speaker 5: at first, and it's really hard. It's not really getting anywhere.
- 17:26Speaker 5: We have this small garage a couple thousand square feet,
- 17:29Speaker 5: and we're trying to figure out how to make this
- 17:31Speaker 5: thing survive. And a friend of ours comes over and
- 17:33Speaker 5: looks around and he's like, you know, you got a
- 17:35Speaker 5: lot of extra room here, wy, don't you help me
- 17:37Speaker 5: ship my company's products? Since you're not using all the space,
- 17:40Speaker 5: which again I feel like was a nice way for
- 17:42Speaker 5: him to say, it looks like your T shirt company's failing.
- 17:45Speaker 5: But yeah, so we we wound up helping him ship
- 17:49Speaker 5: his inventory. And some other friends were like, oh, you
- 17:51Speaker 5: know you you actually are helping Rob ship his inventory.
- 17:54Speaker 5: We were not that good, I don't want you to
- 17:55Speaker 5: help us, and okay, and slowly but surely we turned
- 17:59Speaker 5: this T your company that was failing that we loved,
- 18:02Speaker 5: by the way, and absolutely, Ya's such a great brand.
- 18:06Speaker 5: But you know, after like three years of trying to
- 18:09Speaker 5: get it somewhere, the shipping company was like take skyrocketing,
- 18:13Speaker 5: and his teacher company was like stagnating or decreasing.
- 18:17Speaker 1: What were you doing in your shipping company that was
- 18:19Speaker 1: so different than everyone? How come they couldn't?
- 18:21Speaker 5: You know?
- 18:23Speaker 4: It was a couple of things.
- 18:24Speaker 5: I think that shipping as an industry was just dominated
- 18:28Speaker 5: by massive players and with like old like Italian guys
- 18:32Speaker 5: in like the New Jersey Meadowlands.
- 18:33Speaker 4: They're smoking cigars.
- 18:34Speaker 5: Go let me tell you how, I'm gonna put your
- 18:36Speaker 5: stuff in the corner and it's going to go next
- 18:38Speaker 5: to some vacuum cleaners and mayonnaise jars, and we were young.
- 18:41Speaker 5: We were like young friends of all these people going
- 18:44Speaker 5: to all these trade shows, like apparel and fashion trade shows,
- 18:47Speaker 5: and they're like, I want my stuff to go in
- 18:49Speaker 5: the cool you know place with all the other guys
- 18:52Speaker 5: cool stuff.
- 18:52Speaker 4: You know, Like it was all a premium apparel brands.
- 18:55Speaker 5: So it just became like the place for it and
- 18:58Speaker 5: just grew and grew and grew here every year. So
- 19:01Speaker 5: that was like my first real successful right. It was
- 19:04Speaker 5: probably already my fifth company at that point of attempts
- 19:07Speaker 5: of things that I had tried to start.
- 19:08Speaker 3: So you eventually sold that company, yeah, right, and then
- 19:12Speaker 3: you went into something.
- 19:13Speaker 1: Sold the shipping company.
- 19:14Speaker 3: Yeah, and made up pretty good on that add and
- 19:17Speaker 3: what with that successful organisation that so, you know, selling
- 19:21Speaker 3: the company, he decided to go into a more humanitarian,
- 19:27Speaker 3: you know journey, and he started thinking about other companies.
- 19:31Speaker 3: I don't want to paraphrase it, but I think I
- 19:34Speaker 3: were saying that his heart has always been the thing
- 19:38Speaker 3: that people you know, really connect to. He's he'll he'll
- 19:42Speaker 3: always be there, he'll he'll always show up, and translated
- 19:46Speaker 3: into you know, I think the next chapter of his life,
- 19:49Speaker 3: which was the you know, giving a piece of himself
- 19:52Speaker 3: to humanity in a way that came in a form
- 19:54Speaker 3: of different you know, humanitarian moments, you know, And maybe
- 19:58Speaker 3: talking about listening will be a really because listen is like,
- 20:02Speaker 3: you know, what you were able to see in humanity,
- 20:06Speaker 3: you know, and how you travel the world would listen.
- 20:08Speaker 2: I think there's something that was very inspiring. Do you
- 20:10Speaker 2: mind talking a little bit.
- 20:11Speaker 3: About listening and you started listening and what listen eventually
- 20:14Speaker 3: went out to do?
- 20:15Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I mind, I definitely mind talking. That was
- 20:20Speaker 5: no questions day.
- 20:22Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 20:22Speaker 5: So you know, there's all stemmed again, you know, not randomly,
- 20:25Speaker 5: but you know, I think it's important to point out
- 20:28Speaker 5: it's stemmed again from my dad. What happened was my
- 20:31Speaker 5: dad actually after fifteen years of his bonus round, he
- 20:34Speaker 5: passed away. And when my dad passed away, at that moment,
- 20:39Speaker 5: I remember those last moments I was with him, and
- 20:42Speaker 5: I remember thinking, what does he care about?
- 20:44Speaker 4: What is he thinking about right now? What mattered to
- 20:46Speaker 4: him in his life?
- 20:47Speaker 5: And he even told me some of the things that
- 20:49Speaker 5: were the most important things those last few days. And
- 20:53Speaker 5: it was just this like great realization again of like
- 20:57Speaker 5: what am I going to care about?
- 20:58Speaker 4: Like at the end of my life, what am I
- 21:00Speaker 4: really going to care about?
- 21:00Speaker 5: And that's what, you know, inspired me to sell, to
- 21:04Speaker 5: basically sell the shipping company, And I said, if what
- 21:07Speaker 5: I'm going to care about? And really what the conclusion
- 21:10Speaker 5: I came to is what I did to have an impact,
- 21:13Speaker 5: you know, what I did to make the world a
- 21:14Speaker 5: better place in whatever way.
- 21:16Speaker 4: And you know, people do that a lot of ways.
- 21:18Speaker 5: People do that through their craft, through their business, and
- 21:21Speaker 5: you know, philanthropy doesn't have to be the only way.
- 21:24Speaker 5: But I remember thinking at the time, what am I
- 21:28Speaker 5: waiting for? Like, am I going to like do something?
- 21:30Speaker 5: You know, maybe I'm not going to be Bill and
- 21:33Speaker 5: Melinda Gates or whatever and have some foundation.
- 21:35Speaker 4: Why don't I start something now?
- 21:37Speaker 5: And I sold my shares in the company and started
- 21:40Speaker 5: first a T shirt company again third one that was
- 21:44Speaker 5: dedicated to giving back. And then that led I started
- 21:48Speaker 5: doing some work with a water filtration providing clean water
- 21:53Speaker 5: and some building schools and things like that that I
- 21:55Speaker 5: cared about. But then a friend of mine called, she said, hey,
- 21:59Speaker 5: you know, Joe, I see you're doing with the T shirts.
- 22:01Speaker 5: It's really cool and you're doing this charity work. But
- 22:04Speaker 5: I just saw this video of this girl hearing for
- 22:06Speaker 5: the first time, and I did looked it up. There's
- 22:09Speaker 5: all these crazy statistics, hundreds of millions of people don't
- 22:12Speaker 5: have access.
- 22:13Speaker 4: And I basically heard.
- 22:16Speaker 5: Her ideas goes, what why don't we sell headphones and
- 22:20Speaker 5: try to get people hearing aids?
- 22:21Speaker 4: Like it's a way better idea than my T shirt.
- 22:24Speaker 5: And by the way I sung it selling shirt, it's like,
- 22:27Speaker 5: I'm clearly not great at this. And yeah, we actually
- 22:30Speaker 5: started that company Listen together, and we had this, you know,
- 22:34Speaker 5: crazy dream of helping one person here for the first time,
- 22:37Speaker 5: just like in this video that we saw.
- 22:39Speaker 4: And you know, but.
- 22:40Speaker 1: How did you discover that that that headphones and hearing
- 22:44Speaker 1: aids could be synonymous?
- 22:46Speaker 5: Well, because we wanted it's story, Like you know that
- 22:49Speaker 5: everything's about the story, and people that appreciate and love
- 22:54Speaker 5: music that use headphones. The idea of not being able
- 22:57Speaker 5: to hear is very easy to explain to someone and say, hey,
- 23:00Speaker 5: imagine if you couldn't actually hear, whether you couldn't enjoy
- 23:03Speaker 5: music or rain or laughter or any of these things
- 23:06Speaker 5: that we all take for granted. So tying it to
- 23:08Speaker 5: a hearing related thing that not only was something that
- 23:12Speaker 5: everyone understands what was global, Like the thing with the
- 23:15Speaker 5: T shirt. Companies were doing things like water filtration that
- 23:17Speaker 5: doesn't affect everyone, or maybe it was for schools or education,
- 23:21Speaker 5: but hearing loss actually affects everyone around the world. So
- 23:25Speaker 5: it was something that we could tell this story that's like, hey,
- 23:27Speaker 5: we'll sell headphones and we'll use the proceeds.
- 23:30Speaker 3: We are about the statistics in that because I think
- 23:32Speaker 3: they find them really interesting.
- 23:33Speaker 5: When I started listen that was twenty twelve. Actually there
- 23:36Speaker 5: was over three hundred million people globally that have severe,
- 23:41Speaker 5: too profound hearing loss that just need access to hearing
- 23:44Speaker 5: aids that don't have access, and now it's actually over
- 23:47Speaker 5: five hundred thous.
- 23:50Speaker 4: Half a billion people.
- 23:51Speaker 3: And the craziest part is that, you know, since they're babies,
- 23:55Speaker 3: they just say, oh, he can't hear, Oh she can't hear,
- 23:58Speaker 3: and all they realized come to realize later later in life,
- 24:01Speaker 3: after their last two decades or even three decades of
- 24:05Speaker 3: their life, they realized that all they needed was a
- 24:07Speaker 3: hearing it exactly.
- 24:08Speaker 5: And so this is our mission statement was selling enough headphones.
- 24:12Speaker 5: We literally maxed out our credit cards again, bought some inventory,
- 24:15Speaker 5: built the website, we're gonna sell enough heaphones, so we're
- 24:17Speaker 5: gonna give somebody hearing. Just like in that video we
- 24:20Speaker 5: saw get out there. We don't even get the product
- 24:23Speaker 5: in yet. We build the website and we get an
- 24:25Speaker 5: email from the Today Show before we even get product,
- 24:28Speaker 5: and we don't know how they found us, and they're like, hey,
- 24:31Speaker 5: we're going to feature you on the show. Like what
- 24:33Speaker 5: we literally they feature us. We sell like one hundred
- 24:36Speaker 5: thousand dollars in headphones before we even have products. We're
- 24:39Speaker 5: like sending your emails, so it's gonna ship soon, et cetera.
- 24:43Speaker 5: But we wind up, you know, striking this chord with
- 24:46Speaker 5: all these people, and this dream of ours, of like
- 24:49Speaker 5: helping somebody hearing for the first time, you know, happens
- 24:52Speaker 5: in like eight months. We wind up going on a
- 24:54Speaker 5: mission in Peru and in front of this young girl
- 24:56Speaker 5: and then Maria who had never hurt eighteen or she
- 24:58Speaker 5: was like fifteen, and I had never heard before, just
- 25:01Speaker 5: never had access, and we get to see this girl
- 25:03Speaker 5: here for the first time. And then that just kind
- 25:06Speaker 5: of went on to us traveling around the world for
- 25:09Speaker 5: a decade and helping over fifty thousand people get hearing. Aids,
- 25:12Speaker 5: and we got to like see that firsthand's volunteer and
- 25:15Speaker 5: work on the ground.
- 25:16Speaker 4: This is again this this.
- 25:18Speaker 5: This kid that barely graduated high school, that you had
- 25:22Speaker 5: these failed attempts at all these other things. I was like,
- 25:25Speaker 5: I could again, I could do things if I just
- 25:28Speaker 5: keep trying and taking action on things that matter.
- 25:39Speaker 1: It is the hearing aid integrated into the headphone?
- 25:43Speaker 4: No, no, no, it's like we're selling. Like that's the
- 25:46Speaker 4: confusing part of the business. For sure.
- 25:48Speaker 3: It's like Tom's shoes, right, Tom claim at the beginning,
- 25:50Speaker 3: it's like you buy a pair of shoes.
- 25:52Speaker 2: We provide a pair of shoes too.
- 25:57Speaker 5: We sell actual consumer products like a Beats headphone, and
- 26:01Speaker 5: then we use the proceeds from the sales to give
- 26:04Speaker 5: hearing aids now people. So we fund our charity partner,
- 26:07Speaker 5: and then we go work with them and actually fit
- 26:09Speaker 5: people with hearing aids.
- 26:10Speaker 3: Got them which and then and then you know the
- 26:13Speaker 3: next chapter, which I also think is one of the
- 26:16Speaker 3: most it's a major moment of legacy. If you become
- 26:19Speaker 3: an author and you know, you guys wrote a book
- 26:21Speaker 3: that I thought was one of the most prolific hacks
- 26:26Speaker 3: for life. Uh that anyone could discover. So I want
- 26:30Speaker 3: to make sure that we talk about this book because
- 26:31Speaker 3: I want everybody to get this book. This book kind
- 26:35Speaker 3: of realigns not just priority, but what you invest in.
- 26:39Speaker 3: And when I mean investment, I'm talking about how are
- 26:42Speaker 3: you investing the hours and the days that you have
- 26:46Speaker 3: in life to get the currency that actually really is profitable,
- 26:51Speaker 3: which is happiness and you know, health, which is living
- 26:55Speaker 3: in a life.
- 26:56Speaker 2: Full of experiences. And I think.
- 26:58Speaker 3: That that that philosophy was so incredible, so obtainable in
- 27:03Speaker 3: this book. I felt like was you know, and anybody
- 27:07Speaker 3: comes across this book, it's just like like their head
- 27:10Speaker 3: explodes because they're like.
- 27:11Speaker 2: This is what I was missing.
- 27:13Speaker 3: I was missing this part of perspective that allows me
- 27:16Speaker 3: to kind of now read this triviu how I lived
- 27:18Speaker 3: my life?
- 27:20Speaker 2: You know this versus Dad? How many of that? How
- 27:22Speaker 2: many of this?
- 27:23Speaker 3: And what are you doing for yourself that actually keeps
- 27:26Speaker 3: you making memories? Or or what are the memories you
- 27:29Speaker 3: take with you when you're no longer here?
- 27:31Speaker 4: What? What?
- 27:32Speaker 2: What one?
- 27:32Speaker 3: What expired inspired this book? And talk a little bit
- 27:35Speaker 3: about the name of the the of the book and
- 27:37Speaker 3: and and what is it about?
- 27:39Speaker 5: Yeah, so the book, which is called Experiential Billionaire. It
- 27:45Speaker 5: was born because we were traveling around the world giving
- 27:49Speaker 5: all these hearing aids and doing all this travel at
- 27:52Speaker 5: the same time. Of course, so people started coming up
- 27:54Speaker 5: to us and saying, well, you guys must be so rich.
- 27:57Speaker 5: The reality was we were donating most of the money
- 27:59Speaker 5: to the chair because it's a charity's work, right, you
- 28:02Speaker 5: donate the money or there's no work done, And so
- 28:06Speaker 5: we would just laugh and go, we're more like experiential billionaires.
- 28:11Speaker 5: And then people would always laugh and say, well, I
- 28:14Speaker 5: hope you can teach me how to become an experiential
- 28:16Speaker 5: billionaire because I want to travel and do these things
- 28:18Speaker 5: you're doing.
- 28:19Speaker 4: And that led us going, maybe we can.
- 28:22Speaker 5: Help people because we realized that after like myself, especially
- 28:25Speaker 5: after twenty five years of building these companies and working
- 28:28Speaker 5: with all these people and doing all these things on
- 28:30Speaker 5: the ground, that like, really there was one thing that
- 28:33Speaker 5: all the people that felt like their lives were successful
- 28:36Speaker 5: all had in common. And to make sure that we
- 28:39Speaker 5: weren't just crazy or egotistical about our opinion of it,
- 28:43Speaker 5: we decided to write the book. But to write the book,
- 28:45Speaker 5: we ran a study of over twenty thousand people around
- 28:47Speaker 5: the world where we asked them, what are the most
- 28:49Speaker 5: valuable things in your life your biggest regrets? Do you
- 28:52Speaker 5: feel like your life is successful?
- 28:53Speaker 4: Why or why not?
- 28:55Speaker 5: And the study just made it crystal clear, literally at
- 28:59Speaker 5: that direct center of our happiness or our regrets is
- 29:04Speaker 5: whether or not we're taking action on the things that
- 29:06Speaker 5: matter to us. And that taught us that our dreams,
- 29:11Speaker 5: they're not selfish, they're so important they actually lead to
- 29:14Speaker 5: our greatest contributions because when we're living fulfilled, we actually
- 29:19Speaker 5: show up better everywhere. We lead better, we're better friends,
- 29:22Speaker 5: we're better relationships and collaborators and all those things because
- 29:25Speaker 5: we have passion about the things we're doing. And it
- 29:28Speaker 5: was just this moment of like, how do we capture
- 29:31Speaker 5: this in a book to teach people that it's not
- 29:34Speaker 5: about traveling and you know, doing all these exotic, bucketless things.
- 29:39Speaker 5: It's about identifying what you care about and just trying
- 29:42Speaker 5: and taking action. Because what the book shows, I think
- 29:46Speaker 5: hopefully well, is that it's not about succeeding. And in
- 29:49Speaker 5: the study this came out so clearly because a third
- 29:53Speaker 5: of the people's most valuable experiences in their entire life,
- 29:57Speaker 5: we're negative experiences like my dad probably right, or something
- 30:01Speaker 5: gave them some huge value and maybe they tried something,
- 30:04Speaker 5: it didn't work, it go as planned, but it unlocked
- 30:07Speaker 5: something else or so it was just really this powerful moment,
- 30:11Speaker 5: and the book is just this memoir story to try
- 30:14Speaker 5: to help people believe that they can do those things.
- 30:17Speaker 1: Do you feel that the hearing aid aspect in regards
- 30:21Speaker 1: to all of the businesses that you started, do you
- 30:23Speaker 1: feel that that's been the most fulfilling part?
- 30:27Speaker 4: You know, I think that anytime.
- 30:30Speaker 5: Any interaction I've ever had with someone that led to
- 30:34Speaker 5: their life getting better is just so rewarding. The hearing thing, obviously,
- 30:38Speaker 5: it unlocks a lot of potential for people, especially in
- 30:41Speaker 5: a lot of parts of the world where things might
- 30:43Speaker 5: be more limiting if they don't have the ability to
- 30:46Speaker 5: you know, communicate like you know, through normal hearing conversations.
- 30:52Speaker 5: But I think that there's a lot of you know,
- 30:54Speaker 5: a lot of other things as well. I've the book
- 30:56Speaker 5: has probably been the I hear the most direct fee
- 31:00Speaker 5: back of how people have changed their life in extraordinary
- 31:03Speaker 5: ways from reading the book because they stopped and took
- 31:06Speaker 5: action and started to realize The book is really the
- 31:10Speaker 5: core message is what I learned from my dad, which
- 31:13Speaker 5: is that life is short and uncertain and it's important
- 31:15Speaker 5: to make the most of it. And by the end
- 31:18Speaker 5: of the book, people, I think get that pretty clearly.
- 31:20Speaker 1: And do you feel that people also share stories with
- 31:24Speaker 1: you of how they're it? Almost and correct me if
- 31:26Speaker 1: I'm wrong here. It almost seems like you're you found
- 31:29Speaker 1: this need to be of service, right is would that
- 31:33Speaker 1: be a correct way to to categorize it? Right? Like? Here,
- 31:38Speaker 1: you've done well? Right, you started companies, some have done well,
- 31:41Speaker 1: some have failed, But at the end of the day,
- 31:43Speaker 1: you've been of service of service to people. And so
- 31:47Speaker 1: do you find that that's when people read your book,
- 31:50Speaker 1: that that's mainly what they get out of it, and
- 31:52Speaker 1: they're sharing stories with you about how they've been of service.
- 31:56Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, Actually I don't.
- 31:59Speaker 5: I think think that that's one possible component. But I
- 32:03Speaker 5: think one of the beautiful things about taking action on
- 32:07Speaker 5: things that matter to you is you unlock a ripple
- 32:10Speaker 5: effect of more action and inspiration that you might not
- 32:14Speaker 5: even see or know about. For instance, my dad, right
- 32:17Speaker 5: my dad passed away, and part of the reason that
- 32:21Speaker 5: I started the charity work is because my dad had
- 32:23Speaker 5: started a charity with one hundred dollars when he was
- 32:25Speaker 5: in Mexico that by the time he passed away had
- 32:28Speaker 5: already led to hundreds of underprivileged children going all the
- 32:31Speaker 5: way through university.
- 32:32Speaker 1: Wow.
- 32:32Speaker 5: But that inspired me to take action and try something right.
- 32:37Speaker 5: So here I've helped fifty thousand people all around the world.
- 32:40Speaker 5: My dad doesn't know that. You never saw that. So
- 32:43Speaker 5: what are you going to do when you take action
- 32:45Speaker 5: on the thing that matters to you? Who are you
- 32:47Speaker 5: going to affect? Just by proxy, like someone that just
- 32:49Speaker 5: happened to see you and you gave them permission to think,
- 32:52Speaker 5: maybe I can take action on my goal or my dream.
- 32:55Speaker 5: So it doesn't have to be direct aid. I think
- 32:58Speaker 5: it's more about just letting people signaling that we all
- 33:04Speaker 5: can do these things.
- 33:05Speaker 1: Right, as opposed to sort of the hamster wheel. You
- 33:08Speaker 1: describe your pop being on every day just sort of
- 33:11Speaker 1: putting on the suit and going to work and coming
- 33:13Speaker 1: home and doing something that really matters. Yeah, that's interesting.
- 33:16Speaker 3: And now Joe is uh, you know, traveling the country
- 33:20Speaker 3: giving speeches to thousands of people, making sure that he's
- 33:23Speaker 3: preaching you know, really the the urgency to start living
- 33:27Speaker 3: the life that you want well, and that.
- 33:29Speaker 5: Was spurred on by the event of the personal nature
- 33:33Speaker 5: that happened to us when I finished the book. If
- 33:36Speaker 5: we finished the book, turned in the book, which was
- 33:39Speaker 5: a huge lift.
- 33:39Speaker 4: It was so hard.
- 33:41Speaker 5: Uh, you know, writing a book, as you know, is
- 33:44Speaker 5: just extraordinarily difficult. You ever written a book forty I haven't. Yeah,
- 33:48Speaker 5: if you do, call us for support, yes you're going to.
- 33:53Speaker 5: But uh, you know, we finished the book and my
- 33:55Speaker 5: my h my second son was just born, and we
- 33:59Speaker 5: got all these plans for the next few years and
- 34:02Speaker 5: literally turned the book to the publisher, and my wife
- 34:04Speaker 5: is suddenly and unexpectedly diagnosed with cancer. You're very aware, well,
- 34:10Speaker 5: and yeah, that just kicked off a year plus of our.
- 34:15Speaker 4: You know.
- 34:15Speaker 5: She she went through chemo and immunotherapy and radiation, all
- 34:18Speaker 5: this stuff, and when she finally got her cancer free
- 34:23Speaker 5: diagnosis after the treatment, she was like, you got to tell.
- 34:27Speaker 4: People this message. You got to get out and share
- 34:29Speaker 4: this message.
- 34:30Speaker 5: More So, that was really kicked off this urgency to
- 34:33Speaker 5: like the book school, let's start speaking about it, and
- 34:36Speaker 5: let's start really trying to hammer this home and get
- 34:39Speaker 5: as many people to just kind of shake them awake
- 34:41Speaker 5: and start living their lives kind of thing.
- 34:44Speaker 2: And when she's an inspiration, she's she's incredible.
- 34:47Speaker 3: And I mean, I'm so grateful that you were able
- 34:50Speaker 3: to be here and tell the world, you know, have
- 34:52Speaker 3: you been inspired? Because everybody has a story there at
- 34:54Speaker 3: beginning in middle and yours est that is anywhere near
- 34:59Speaker 3: your last chapter. And you've done so many extraordinary things.
- 35:02Speaker 3: So thank you for being here.
- 35:03Speaker 1: Joe, Absolutely, thank you, Thank you. You know, my dad
- 35:07Speaker 1: passed away a few years ago, my mother passed away
- 35:10Speaker 1: of breast cancer, so I could very much relate sort
- 35:14Speaker 1: of the trajectory that you've been on. And uh, and
- 35:17Speaker 1: I think it's wonderful. And I've met you before through
- 35:19Speaker 1: Wilmer and he speaks so highly of you, so.
- 35:21Speaker 2: I can't wait for you.
- 35:22Speaker 3: Beautiful read his book man, Yeah, really great, Absolutely absolutely,
- 35:26Speaker 3: I got one in the car.
- 35:27Speaker 2: Awesome.
- 35:30Speaker 3: Thank you very much, my brother, Joe, godfather, my child,
- 35:34Speaker 3: Yanks for having me.
- 35:35Speaker 4: Guys.
- 35:35Speaker 3: I'm Wilmer Valdorama, I'm Freddie Rodriguez. This is Amigos Podcast
- 35:39Speaker 3: and Joe Houff. We're going to pick up your book.
- 35:44Speaker 4: Thanks guys.
- 35:49Speaker 1: Those Amigos is a production from WV Sound and iHeartMedia's
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