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EAGLES POSTGAME: Eagles vs. Lions, Week 11 · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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  Speaker 1: What's up, folks.
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  Speaker 2: You're listening to Eagles postgame analysis here at the Philadelphia
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  Speaker 2: Sports Table podcast show, the longest running week weekly sports
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  Speaker 2: podcast show in the world, twelve and a half years strong.
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  Speaker 2: The Philadelphia Eagles Wow. Amazingly enough, what do we got
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  Speaker 2: week eleven here as they beat the Deepfroit Lions down
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  Speaker 2: at the link by a score of sixteen to nine.
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  Speaker 1: What an amazing game from this Eagles defense.
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  Speaker 2: A total crapper once again by the Eagles offense. I
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  Speaker 2: am Jeff Warren here, I'm a good friend Josh Schuster
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  Speaker 2: from Philadelphia soccernow dot com.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna dive into our our analysis, give our.
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  Speaker 2: Themes, and then grade by unit first and foremost, Josh,
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  Speaker 2: good to see you, buddy, and thanks for filling in
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  Speaker 2: for the guys.
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  Speaker 1: Really appreciate it, man anytime.
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  Speaker 3: Jeff, It's always good to I don't know the word
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  Speaker 3: I want to use, but talk.
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  Speaker 2: Philly sports, Philly sports man, Yes I have.
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  Speaker 3: I guess the best way to phrase it from this
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  Speaker 3: game is I'm in a glass case of emotions from Anchorman.
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  Speaker 3: Oh God, yeah, about this game. I have many, many, many.
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  Speaker 2: Emotions with this game, many emotions which We're going to
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  Speaker 2: be diving into, folks as we get into our themes,
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  Speaker 2: but first and foremost talk about injuries. Man, Lane Johnson
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  Speaker 2: just cannot stay healthy. If you're watching on YouTube, I'm
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  Speaker 2: actually wearing his jersey. I actually got this jersey his
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  Speaker 2: rookie season down at the Eagles Pro shop at the Link.
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  Speaker 2: I love it, and I love Lane Johnson, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't love the fact that he just cannot stay healthy.
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  Speaker 2: The guy is definitely a warrior, but every game as
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  Speaker 2: of late, he's having to leave with some sort of injury.
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  Speaker 2: Today he was out in the first quarter with a
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  Speaker 2: foot injury. Fred Johnson came in and played respectably, I believe,
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  Speaker 2: and for the most part, we'll get into some of
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  Speaker 2: the I'm gonna get into some offensive.
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  Speaker 1: Line talking a bit, for sure, folks.
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  Speaker 2: Cam Jurgens also left the game in the fourth quarter
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  Speaker 2: with about I think it was about three minutes and
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  Speaker 2: thirty seconds left in the game. That poor guy's just
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  Speaker 2: been nursing injuries throughout this whole season as well. Josh,
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  Speaker 2: we just get get into the shit of this Eagles
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  Speaker 2: offense right off the bat, you know, because I want
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  Speaker 2: to end like with something good before we go to
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  Speaker 2: the break.
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  Speaker 1: I want to end with the defense, So why don't
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  Speaker 1: we do that?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about this dog shit offense of the
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  Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles were last week. They were only able to
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  Speaker 2: score ten points up in Green Bay, but the defense
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  Speaker 2: was absolutely lights out.
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  Speaker 1: Again, we'll get to the defense.
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  Speaker 2: This defense is Super Bowl worthy, the offense not even close.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm going to kind of go off a little
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  Speaker 2: bit here for a couple of minutes, so stick with
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  Speaker 2: me here, coming.
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  Speaker 3: In, fireway man, fire away.
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  Speaker 1: Look.
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  Speaker 2: Coming into this game, the theme really was what would
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  Speaker 2: this Eagles offense look like after what we saw up
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  Speaker 2: in Green Bay last week? And I'm going to preface
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  Speaker 2: this by saying that the Philadelphia Eagles have the most
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  Speaker 2: expensive offense in the NFL by a significant margin, and
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  Speaker 2: they are fucking terrible offense here at this point. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm not feeling good about this. I mean, there are
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  Speaker 2: such long stretches here, Josh, where they actually look hopelessly
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  Speaker 2: inept at almost every turn, and it's happening every week.
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  Speaker 1: Here.
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  Speaker 2: First two possessions of the game, the opening drive and
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  Speaker 2: then three plays after the Cooper dejen interception, the Eagles
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  Speaker 2: were only able to put up on offense twenty yards
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  Speaker 2: on those two possessions. Now, let's fast forward a little
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  Speaker 2: bit the next I should say, their first seven possessions.
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  Speaker 2: Six of those first seven possessions they were third and long.
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  Speaker 2: And what did those third downs look like? Those third
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  Speaker 2: and longs, third and ten, third and fifteen, third and eight,
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  Speaker 2: another third and eight, a third and ten and a
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  Speaker 2: third and eleven. Just a couple minutes into the second quarter.
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  Speaker 2: They then ran nineteen plays for forty four yards. Just brutal,
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  Speaker 2: Just absolutely brutal. That's how not to get momentum in
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  Speaker 2: the National Football League. That's how offenses don't get momentum,
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  Speaker 2: and especially in front of.
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  Speaker 1: Your home crowd.
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  Speaker 2: There is a disconnect somewhere within this offense, whether it
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  Speaker 2: is with coaching, whether it's the offensive line, whether it's
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts him getting on the same page as his receivers.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps it's all of it, Josh, but there is huge
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  Speaker 2: issues going on. Yet they play a team like the
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  Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers, who are p a good team. They're not,
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  Speaker 2: they're not the greatest team this season, but they're a
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  Speaker 2: pretty good team. And yes they squeak out a win,
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  Speaker 2: they squeak out another win against the Detroit Lions, another
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  Speaker 2: very good team. Yes, there were some injuries to the
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  Speaker 2: Lions heading into this game, but man, this offense is nowhere, nowhere,
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  Speaker 2: and I'd love to get your thoughts here.
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  Speaker 3: So I think if we're looking at the last two weeks,
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  Speaker 3: I think this week was worse than last week. Okay
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  Speaker 3: because I think, well, no, I think the defense set
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  Speaker 3: the offense up multiple times for them to be able
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  Speaker 3: to do something other field goals, and that's all the
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  Speaker 3: Eagles could muster. There is a great level of concern
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  Speaker 3: and I'm not I'm not blaming a J. Brown. There
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  Speaker 3: is and I text you this, there is a great
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  Speaker 3: disconnect right now between Jalen Hurts and the wide receivers. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand. And the thing I think I have
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  Speaker 3: the hardest time with is how you have Jalen Hurts,
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  Speaker 3: who I think is a I would say top five quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: I feel comfortable saying that. I think he's a top
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  Speaker 3: five quarterback in the league. I don't understand how you
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  Speaker 3: can have a top five quarterback in the league. How
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  Speaker 3: you can have AJ Brown and DeVante Smith but you're
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  Speaker 3: unable to use both wide receivers at the same time,
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  Speaker 3: you also have what I would view as a top
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  Speaker 3: half tight end right in, and I'll bring in fantasy
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  Speaker 3: in this terms. Most tight ends in fantasy are streamable.
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  Speaker 3: Now for the most part, you have to play Dallas
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  Speaker 3: Goddard because they do shovel passes to him and he
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  Speaker 3: gets touchdowns or he's targeted often over the middle. I
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  Speaker 3: don't understand how you can have those three receiving options
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  Speaker 3: with Saquon Barkley as you're running back, and the only
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  Speaker 3: way the defense or the offense gets a spark is
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  Speaker 3: when ten Biggsby comes in and runs like two straight
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  Speaker 3: ten yard games. I'm having a very and I've been
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  Speaker 3: very consistent from the very beginning of the season when
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  Speaker 3: I've started doing these. Well, not this year, but I've
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  Speaker 3: been very consistent since the beginning of the season. In
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  Speaker 3: the postgame shows where I'm going to be harder on
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  Speaker 3: the offense than the defense, because literally the defense is
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  Speaker 3: like patchwork. It's a bunch of draft picks. They have
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  Speaker 3: hardly any money invested in the defense, and here we
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  Speaker 3: are where the defense is going to have to be
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  Speaker 3: out the offense. Once again, I don't want to give
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  Speaker 3: credence to reports that there are issues with the offense
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  Speaker 3: in terms of the players having issues with Jalen Hurts,
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  Speaker 3: but at some point you have to look at the
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  Speaker 3: last two weeks. It has been horrible. I'm gonna set
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  Speaker 3: the Giants game aside because the Giants are just a
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  Speaker 3: miserable franchise right now. And so if you're going to say, well,
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  Speaker 3: the offense came together for that, I'm like, they're just
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  Speaker 3: They're just a mess. Like just be thinking you're not
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  Speaker 3: a fan of one of the New York football teams
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  Speaker 3: right now. They're just a total mess, both of them.
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  Speaker 3: I just I don't understand how this offense has such
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  Speaker 3: a problem, especially considering how much they were set up
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  Speaker 3: by the defense. That's really where my main issue is.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm looking at Jalen Hurts' numbers. He he
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  Speaker 3: completed fifty percent of his passage passes. He completed fourteen
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  Speaker 3: passes tonight. That is not good, and didn't even manage
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty yards.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, only four point eight yards per attempt.
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  Speaker 3: Correct, And in order for him to hit one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and fifty total yards of rushing and passing, you have
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  Speaker 3: to add in his thirty yards rushing. I mean, it
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  Speaker 3: was just I'm not sure if a root canal is
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  Speaker 3: more pleasant than watching the Eagles offense right now, right,
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  Speaker 3: but it's it's pretty close to a tie. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: that's not good.
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  Speaker 2: But where does it start from? But where does this
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  Speaker 2: start from? On the field? Right Because I'm thinking during
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  Speaker 2: this game, Josh that for years and years and years,
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  Speaker 2: we are so grateful to have an offensive line coach
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  Speaker 2: like Jeff Staltlin, And I'm wondering what the hell is
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  Speaker 2: going on here because these guys don't necessarily seem to
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  Speaker 2: be very coachable right now at this point. The Eagles
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  Speaker 2: run blocking is absolutely horrendous. It was horrendous last week.
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  Speaker 2: It's been horrendous just about all c When Sakuon Barkley
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  Speaker 2: coming into this game is averaging three point nine yards
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  Speaker 2: per carry, that's a problem. He averaged three point two
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  Speaker 2: yards per carry on twenty six carries.
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  Speaker 1: In this game.
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  Speaker 2: You have undisciplined guys on the offensive line are that
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  Speaker 2: It's just mind boggling. Last week, Jordan Mailatta had two
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  Speaker 2: false start penalties. In this game, he had a holding penalties.
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  Speaker 2: Tyler Steen was absolutely brutal throughout this game in run
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  Speaker 2: blocking and in pass protection. You see him throughout this
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  Speaker 2: game just standing up because he's missed a block, or
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  Speaker 2: he's standing around like he's just missed something.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Then you got Darius Cooper with a false start when
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  Speaker 2: they're trying to do the tush push in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 2: Why is he even out there? Fred Johnson with a
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  Speaker 2: false start at the end of the game. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of undisciplined play coming from the offense, but it's
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  Speaker 2: really starting with the offensive line. I know Darius Cooper
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  Speaker 2: just mentioned him. He's not part of the offensive line,
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  Speaker 2: but still it's undisciplined, an undisciplined nature coming from this
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  Speaker 2: offensive just from the offense in general, but with the line.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand what's happening when you have a coach
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  Speaker 2: like Jeff Staltlin, who has been so good with so many,
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  Speaker 2: so many guys who aren't even that talented, and we're
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  Speaker 2: having these issues. I wonder if it's injury. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to make excuses necessarily for these guys. I mean
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  Speaker 2: Cam Jurgens again out in the fourth quarter, leaving with
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  Speaker 2: about you know, three minutes left in the game, Josh,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but it starts with
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  Speaker 2: the offensive line, because what do we say all the time,
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  Speaker 2: have been on this podcast for quite some time, as
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  Speaker 2: we talked to various scouts over the years, everything starts
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  Speaker 2: with the line. If you don't have a solid offensive line,
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  Speaker 2: you're not going to have a rushing attack.
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  Speaker 1: You're not going to have a passing attack. That's where
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  Speaker 1: it starts.
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  Speaker 2: And we don't know what is actually happening here, but
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  Speaker 2: this is this is I believe the core of the
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  Speaker 2: problem on the field.
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  Speaker 3: So I have a couple of theories on this, Jeff
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  Speaker 3: all Right, I think what it is is it's a
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  Speaker 3: combination of things. I don't think it's just one thing.
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  Speaker 3: I think the reality is and I kind of talked
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  Speaker 3: about it two years ago, like when Kelsey was still
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  Speaker 3: playing that Jalen Hurts is not the one that calls
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  Speaker 3: out the blitzes. It's the center, right And so with
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  Speaker 3: him retiring, the problem is the center they have replacing
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  Speaker 3: him is a good player if he's able to actually
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  Speaker 3: suit up and play the whole game right the cam
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  Speaker 3: Jurgens is not playing a full game right now, and
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  Speaker 3: so the reality is I think part of one issue
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  Speaker 3: is Hurts is now responsible for diagnosing the defense. I
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't say that's his strong suit. I think there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of strong suits of Jalen Hurts, and I think
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  Speaker 3: he's adequate at it. I'm not saying he's bad at it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying he's passable at it. But in terms of
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  Speaker 3: going from Jason Kelcey diagnosing a defense to Jalen Hurts,
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  Speaker 3: that's a large step back, especially if you're going to
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  Speaker 3: rely on your center who's not really able to play.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and there's hiccups with it. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Correct. The second problem is there's been leadership change, and
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that the offensive line has been able
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  Speaker 3: to adjust that. Right Like, Jordan Malatta has his own
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  Speaker 3: show on WIP, and I'm not saying I'm not blaming
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  Speaker 3: WIP for the problems on the offensive line. It feels
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  Speaker 3: like he has been forced into this leadership role. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know that he's actually a leader, right Like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know because I'm not in the locker room and
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to speculate. I feel like that's pretty reckless.
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  Speaker 3: I do know for sure that Jason Kelsey was a
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  Speaker 3: leader on this team. Yes, I feel like that leadership
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  Speaker 3: is missing, and because Lane Johnson This goes into the
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  Speaker 3: third part of the problem because Lane Johnson and you
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  Speaker 3: use the term warrior, and he absolutely is. But I
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  Speaker 3: think that sometimes players are warriors to a fault. And
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  Speaker 3: what I mean by that is, rather than taking a
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  Speaker 3: week to rest to be in better shape for the
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  Speaker 3: following week, I put Lane Johnson in this category. He
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  Speaker 3: feels that he's needed, he's gonna suit up, he's gonna
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  Speaker 3: give it a go. And now the problem is you've
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  Speaker 3: had Lane Johnson prepping all week, not necessarily the backups,
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  Speaker 3: and Lane Johnson has gone at the end of the
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  Speaker 3: first quarter or the second quarter, and now you're stuck. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a multifaceted problem, and I don't think
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  Speaker 3: it's a Jeff Staltlin problem because I think there's a
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  Speaker 3: fourth problem. I told you this is this is multifaceted.
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  Speaker 3: It is when when you win Super Bowls, teams poach
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  Speaker 3: your players, whether they're really good or whether they're just okay.
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  Speaker 3: But the reality is, a really good backup is something
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  Speaker 3: that's really hard to come by. And the Eagles have
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  Speaker 3: lost players on the offensive line that were backups and
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  Speaker 3: also starters to other teams. And when that happens and
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  Speaker 3: you're not drafting with high picks, meaning first or second
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  Speaker 3: round with offensive linemen. Offensive line is very very hard
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  Speaker 3: to draft late Jason Kelce being an exception and Jordan
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  Speaker 3: Myliada being an exception. I'm not going to put basically
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  Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame sixth round pick and a basically
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  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame seventh round pick as standards. That's a
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  Speaker 3: very rare exception.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: When you have these types of players that are no
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  Speaker 3: longer backups but are starters or moving up the depth chart.
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  Speaker 3: Rather than being the third option, they're now the second option,
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  Speaker 3: it really creates a challenge, and I just think it's
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  Speaker 3: a lot for Jeff Statlin to try to be able
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  Speaker 3: to manage. And it's not his fault, it's just the
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  Speaker 3: reality of he's working with whatever he has. I really
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  Speaker 3: think it would be good for Lane Johnson to just
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  Speaker 3: take a week rest a little more get healthier for
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs because at this point, I mean, the Eagles
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  Speaker 3: are going to the playoffs. It's literally just a matter
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  Speaker 3: of seating now where they're going to be. The NFC
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  Speaker 3: East is, like we can say it's a trash division
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  Speaker 3: this year. It wasn't anticipated being that way, but it's
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  Speaker 3: a trash division. Yes, he needs to get healthy for
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs, and that's what I think really kind of
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  Speaker 3: the main priority is because it's going to have ripple
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  Speaker 3: effects in terms of backups getting to play. A long answer,
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  Speaker 3: but there you get.
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  Speaker 2: But that's what's needed to be talked about the details
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  Speaker 2: of this offensive line because if the offensive line isn't healthy,
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  Speaker 2: if the offensive line isn't able to perform the way
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  Speaker 2: they need to perform, then who gives a shit about
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  Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley and his three point nine yards per attempt
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  Speaker 2: coming into this game? Who gives a shit whether or
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  Speaker 2: not aj Brown and Smitty are going to be able
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  Speaker 2: to catch passes or even get it like, who cares
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  Speaker 2: if the offensive line is not working. Here's look, we
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  Speaker 2: want to talk more about the offensive line, certainly talk
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  Speaker 2: about this amazing super Bowl caliber defense, but I want
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  Speaker 2: to take a quick break here and then we get back.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to be getting into that stick with us
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  Speaker 2: real quick, folks. We'll be back in just a bit.
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  Speaker 2: All right, We are back, and we're going to continue
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: talking about this Eagles offense and how anemic that it
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  Speaker 2: has been. Josh mentioned earlier some Jalen hurt stats in
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  Speaker 2: terms of his attempts, his completions, yards. I mentioned how
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  Speaker 2: his yards per attempt, but really when you look at
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  Speaker 2: the wide receivers, it's so interesting. We had the week
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  Speaker 2: that we had and the narrative with aj Brown, him
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  Speaker 2: being on Twitch with his friend playing.
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  Speaker 1: Madden and ada da ba ba bye ba. It's the story.
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  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, he gets eleven targets, comes down
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  Speaker 2: with seven balls for only forty nine yards, seven point yard,
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  Speaker 2: seven point zero yards per reception. John Dotson gets two
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  Speaker 2: receptions for forty three yards. Davante Smith was only targeted
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  Speaker 2: five times. He came down one ball.
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  Speaker 1: For eight yards.
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  Speaker 2: The passing play selection and what is happening and the
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  Speaker 2: lack of the intermediate routes and passes over the middle
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  Speaker 2: of the field again so baffling. It is so hard
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  Speaker 2: to grasp this as this continues to happen with this offense,
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  Speaker 2: and this I believe is not only coaching, but I
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  Speaker 2: believe it's Jalen Hurts too. There was a play towards
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  Speaker 2: the end of the game. It was a third down play.
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  Speaker 1: I believe.
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  Speaker 2: Smitty was wide open right over the middle, running like
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  Speaker 2: a drag route basically, would it got the first I
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  Speaker 2: think it was third and three got the first down
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  Speaker 2: for sure if Jalen Hurts had to drop back a
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  Speaker 2: three step drop back.
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  Speaker 1: But he didn't.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's a combination of coaching, and I
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  Speaker 2: think it's a combination also of Jalen Hurts just feeling
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: more comfortable passing the receivers near the sidelines. I really do,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: and sometimes it can be so frustrating. I don't want
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: to crap on Jalen Hurts necessarily, like we were talking
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: about before the break, you know, I think he makes
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: some really good decisions at times. Other times I feel
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: like there's still some hiccups with his game and his
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: decision making. But man like the lack of the intermediate
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: passes over the middle of the field, Josh, it just
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: drives me crazy.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't tend to disagree with you on that point. However,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to put this year the offense on
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts. Okay, to me, we've played ten games, the
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: offense has had maybe one good game against a trash
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Giants team. We have an offensive coordinator problem. And I
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: say that I think I do well. And that was
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: that was gonna be my point. This is the second
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: time in Sirianni's tenure we've had an offensive coordinator problem,
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: and both of them have been quote unquote his boys.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Nick needs to not not have input on offensive coordinators.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: This is bad. And I think what's happened the two
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: years where we've had problems on offense because they're Knicks guys.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Nick has had more input on the offense and that
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: has not gone well. I think that I think that
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Nick is an excellent head coach and I don't think
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: you can look at his record and and disagree with that.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: You can't say he's trash, No, not at all correct.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: However, I don't think he's an offensive genius, and I
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: think that's been abundantly clear. I think he's been the
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: head coach now for what he's in his fifth year.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: There's been three years where the Eagles offense has been
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: really great where he has been completely hands off on,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: and two years where his buddies have been the offensive
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: coordinator and we've had massive issues, to the point where
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: one year the offensive coordinator was like go in the
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: middle of the season while the team had a winning record.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: It's not there is a coordinator issue, and so I
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: think part of it is and I don't give Jalen
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Hurts a pass for having a new offensive coordinator. Like,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: guess what, man number one in college you transferred, so
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: like you chose to have a different offensive coordinator. So
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: I don't want to hear about he's never had back
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: to back coordinators. He chose one year to leave the
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: spot he was at, So that to me is a
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: complete new argument. Also, when you have successful offenses, you're
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: gonna have player or coaches that are that are poached.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: But when you bring in the passing game coordinator to
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: be the new offensive coordinator, I don't understand how there's
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: that much of a difference. I'm sorry, there's not. Like Jeff,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: you and I have watched at the very least the
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: last three years, Like I've been on here, it is
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: basically the same offense as two years ago. It is
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: what they're running. And so I don't understand the argument
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: about how he's had all these different offensive coordinators. It's
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: literally the same offense. Basically, it's just different lingo. The
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: only change to it was last year when the Eagles
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: had a good offense. It's not a good offense and
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: I know you had mentioned about officiating and everything, and
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: I kind of went off on a tangent about it.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: I don't believe that officiating cost games. All of this.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: I agree with bad calls. The Eagles still one tonight.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: The reality is there was one missed call, and you
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: can even say that that last past interference penalty or
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: holding penalty on the lines was garbage, so it kind
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: of balanced out earlier the play call. After that questionable
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: call when it was third and six, you're gonna tell
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: me that Jalen Hurts, DeVante Smith, AJ Brown, Saquon Barkley
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: cannot get six yards.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I can't live in a world I think it's a
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: pathetic excuse. If I'm being totally honest, right, this is
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: an explicit one. It's a pathetic excuse by fans to
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: blame officiating. I'm sorry, absolutely absolutely. I can't deal with it.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: The biggest problem with the offense is what Meryl Reese
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: said tonight. I listened to the game on the radio
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: and watch it every time Shipley is in. And this
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: is coming from a South Carolina fan who watched Shipley
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: destroy South Carolina for four years. It was a horrible experience.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I'm happy he is on the Eagles now, but every
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: time he's in they passed the ball and Merril Reese
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: mentioned it four times tonight and don't you know every
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: well he mentioned it five times. The only time that
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: it wasn't a pass play, it was a quarterback draw
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: because it involves blocking. And that's why Shiffley is in there. Yes,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: it's a very predictable offense. Yes, if if the radio
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: announcer is able to tell you what they're doing ahead
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: of time, we've got a problem.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: And that was the theme last week with the with
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers, predictability. They knew what was coming,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: they knew the snap count, they knew the play that
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: was being run, and it go it comes down took
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: So much of.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: This comes down to coaching.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Look, I read a tweet that said, if Grant Calcatara
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: is asked to block as the rapper on a counter again,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: I'm going to lose my mind. That's what this individual said.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: And then one of our friends of the show, Patrick
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: down in Florida, responded to this individual and said, putting
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: players in a position to succeed is the hallmark of
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: good coaching.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Putting them in a position.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: To fail repeatedly is the opposite of that, and we
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: are continuing to see that with this Eagles offense.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Really quick.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Going back to the officiating, when I was texting that
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: with you earlier, I wasn't trying to blame the officiating.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: It was just the whole tush push thing. Like the NFL.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: When I say the NFL, it's teams, other players, people
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: in general. They have just been waiting for that false
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: start with the tush push, and they got the call tonight,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: but it was the fucking wrong call. It was actually
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: the ron club's like, why can't these officials do this
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: shit right? And then they get all wrong at the
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: end of the game too, and it's like, what the
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: hell is happening here?
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm actually I know I'm in the minority here,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: and I yeah, I'm actually okay with the call on
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: the tush push. All right. If you look, Steen is
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: putting his hand on the ground in front, He's moving
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: his hand all over the place like it is what
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: it is like, if you're not supposed to move, you
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be adjusting your shoulder moving your hand like That's
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: where I'm like, Wow, I may not agree with it.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Technically by the rule book, it's a false start. So
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: like this is one of those things where I say,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: you can hate the rule.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the other players in the neutral zone though,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: But the other players in the neutral.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Zone I'm just talking about.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: For me, it's just right stupid. It is.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so stupid. Anyway, Do we have anything else
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: we want to talk about with the offense? Maybe maybe
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: the fact that you know what, maybe the fact that
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I will give them credit for having one good drive
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: of the game right before the half. It was ten plays,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: sixty four yard cards, four minutes and fifty five seconds
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: off the clock. It ended with a Jalen Hurts toush
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: push touchdown again right before the half. That was That
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: was Jalen hurts first rushing touchdown since the October ninth
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: game against the Giants that they ended up losing in
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: East Ruth Off, New Jersey. Again an issue, a major
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: issue with this offense. If that's the last time Jalen
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Hurts has had a rushing touchdown, a touch push touchdown,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: major major issues? Anything else with the offense here, buddy,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: before we move over to the defense, because one end
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: on a positive note, because there was so much positive
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: in this game. There was more positive than negative in
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: my opinion.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'll just kind of summarize it with
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: the text I sent you where the Detroit Lions did
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: not even deserve that extra point. Ro That's kind of
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: how it. Like, as much as we are complaining about
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: the Eagles offense, Oh, I mean, I can only imagine.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: So I have a friend who I went to Russia
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: with on a mission strip, who attends our church now,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: and he's been a Lions fan as long as I've known,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: which is like decades at this point, and we were
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: kind of talking about the game beforehand, and I can
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: only imagine how frustrated he is, Yes, with Dan Campbell,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: like after tonight, Tonight was the definition of where being
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: too aggressive will kill you, Yes, And so I was
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: texting with him throughout the game. So, Sean, if you're listening,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to apologize for your coach because he
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: was an idiot tonight. But thankfully, the Lions offense was
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: worse than the Eagles. And I think that's the main
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: takeaway from tonight is the better of the two offenses,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: which is not saying a whole lot won the game Tonight.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, and look, it's not because.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: It's not because the Detroit Lions defense was that great
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: against the Eagles offense at all. But the Eagles defense
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: was that great against the Lions offense. My gosh, folks,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Jared Goff fourteen of thirty seven, fourteen of thirty seven. Yes,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: he was only sacked twice in the game, and yes,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: he passed for two hundred and fifty five yards, but
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: he had a Jamiir Gibbs on a long forty two yarder,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Jamison Jamison Williams on a forty yarder, a Monora Saint
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Brown on a thirty four yarder. Those were huge chunk
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: plays and part of that two hundred and fifty five
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty five yards passing and Jamiir Gibbs
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: being the guy being the highest receiver in this in
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: this game with one hundred and seven yards, he averaged
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: twenty one point four yards per reception. But man Eagles
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: defense holding this Detroit rushing attack, the two headed lion
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: of Jamiir Gibbs and David Montgomery seventy four total rushing
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: yards and that's including Jamison Williams nine yard rush as well,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: only thirty nine yards on the ground for Jamiir Gibbs,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: David Montgomery only twenty seven yards on the ground, and yes,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Jared Goff was throwing a lot. They had to try
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: to get back into this game, but very very poor
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: play calling and very poor management by Dan Campbell, as
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: you mentioned. But I think we go to what really
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: helps set the tone for this defense, and it was
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: that Cooper dejen interception on the Lion's very first drive
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: of the game. Jordan Davis with that awesome tip at
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: My god, he had.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Three throughout this game, but that first one fell right
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: into Cooper Dejean's hands and Eagles were able to get
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: a field goal out of that. But man, you look
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: at Jalen Phillips as well. He had his first sack
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: at Lincoln Financial Field. What a disruptor he was. And
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: you and I were texting about one particular guy in
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: the secondary who man, I was so I was so
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: worried about coming into this game, and that is a
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Dori Jackson. Yes, he did give up a touchdown to
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Jamison Williams, but man, overall, what a game he had.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: And it's nice to be able to say that actually
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: this defense was incredible, and again Cooper dejan with that
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: interception set in the tone throughout.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: But just pressure, pressure, pressure on Jared Goff. That disruption
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: led led to just this this super Bowl caliber defense
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: doing what they needed to do in order for them
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: to win this game. Vic Fangio MVP for sure.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I had touched you that the last two weeks, Yes,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Fangio MVP.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Think you know. I've mentioned it before on here. I
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: think that sometimes stats don't don't tell the truth.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: I think tonight is a prime example of that. I
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: don't think the stats that the Eagles racked up are
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: factual to.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: The box score when the box score right in the
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: box score. Yeah, I just.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: When you read the stats from the box score on
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: the Eagles defense, it looks like they had a very
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: pedestrian night. That's not the case at all. I mean,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: while there may have been a set number of certain pressures,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: it was very clear that they have been very effective
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: and if Vic Fangio had come up with a very
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: effective game plan to really make Jared Goff very nervous.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: And so I don't care what the pressure numbers are.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: I don't care what the sack numbers are. I don't
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: care what the interception the numbers are. The reality is
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: is Jared Goff looked completely lost tonight and I really
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: view the stats from the box score for the Lion's
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: offense is they're pointless. Golf had a really bad night.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Sure gives Montgomery they got off a couple of good runs.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: But the reality is the Lions have a good offensive line.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Like the Lions are built exactly like the Eagles. They
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: have a good defensive line, they have a good offensive line,
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: and they have playmakers. That's literally the blueprint of the Eagles.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: It's the formula.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: It's the formula. It's what wins like it's what wins.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Why other teams don't do that, that's a whole conversation
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: for another time. But the reality is is the Eagles
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: defense tonight just I had text you before the game started, right,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I text you before the game started, and I said,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: I didn't think the Eagles offense, to be fair, I
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: was right on this had enough firepower to be able
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: to keep up with the Lions offense. The reality is,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: I did not anticipate the Eagles tonight. To me, why
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: I shouldn't say tonight the last two weeks have really
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: defined for me that the Eagles have a very good,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: if not elite defense yet again. And so if you're
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: gonna do that, you only need the offense to put
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: up twenty one to twenty four points and you're gonna
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: win games. The Eagles tonight, I think I heard on
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: the radio. If they won tonight, their chance to lock
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: up the number one seed is at almost fifty percent
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: because of tiebreakers.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Part of it's because the NFC East is just trash
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: and they've won all the important games they want to.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Like now, after this win tonight, because of the defense
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: that Giants lost earlier in the season doesn't really mean
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: a whole lot, right, And so that's good news. Like
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: they've they've come into form, and I feel like if
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: you look at the defense, there's a lot of unsung heroes.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Dorry Jackson has been trash, straight.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Up gracious season.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: No, he has been horrible. However, I am an individual
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: that when you have a good game, I will give
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: you a hat tip. So to me, it was very clear,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: especially in the second half, that they were going after
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: a Dori Jackson, and you know what, he rose to
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: the occasion he had pass breakups, and you know what,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: if he didn't break up a pass, he was at
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: least in coverage to the point where even if Goff
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: had completed it, it's not going anywhere, which is wildly
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: different than the last couple of weeks. So, Dori Jackson,
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: you get a hat tip for doing your job. Which
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: it's amazing that that's now the state of things where
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: I'm happy if you can just be adequate at your job,
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: and I'm thrilled and over the moon. But here we
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: are exactly.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Look, the cornerback number two was a huge concern coming
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: into this season.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Even now it still is a concern.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: But again, you gotta give your you gotta give that
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: hat tip to adri Jackson for what he did in
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: this game, and just just for every other starter as well.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I mean when we get to.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: The grades, I mean I should just say the defense
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: a plus all around, my gosh, I.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Should just say.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah at every level, yep, yes, absolutely again and special
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: teams plus, well, yeah, I was gonna get right before
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: we go to our next break, I was going to
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: get to special teams because I do think there's another
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: MVP that that that that is an unsung hero in
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: this game as well. But really quick, Josh said, box
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: score really doesn't matter when it comes to the defense.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: It doesn't. But just to rattle off some of these numbers.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Two total sacks by the Eagles, three tackles for a loss,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: ten passes defended. Ten passes defended. That's including Jalen Carter's
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: to two blocks right up at the right up at
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: the front of the line.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: And also.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: I believe it so on third downs, Yeah, Jordan Davis
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: had three, Quinjon Mitchell had two pass breakups. Cooper Dejen
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: had two. Jalen again, I mentioned Jalen Carter, Dori Jackson
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: with one, Cooperjen two. Anyway, I could keep going and
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: going and going anyway. Uh seven quarterback hits two. Look,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: the special teams played such an important role in this
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: game as well, And I think an unsung hero was
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Jake Elliott.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Jake Elliott was a huge part of the Eagles story.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Tonight came through in a huge way as there were
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: thirty mile per hour wind gusts down at Lincoln Financial
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Field and you're like, gosh, how is it gonna go?
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: The broadcast was showing those balls being kicked during the
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: pregame warm ups, just going everywhere, kicked a forty nine yarder.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Jake Elliott has been on fire this season in general.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Back on his game. Last year was a tough year
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: for him, but he was three of three in this game,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: made one extra point, but again that long being forty
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: nine yards. He is an unsung hero in this game
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: because the offense was only able to put up six
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: points and he was able to do the rest with
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: his leg. He's definitely another MVP, I think.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I would also add to that, I think
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: the special teams coverage tonight was just I think it
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: was their best game all season.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: I mean they didn't let hardly any returns, they wrapped
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: up tackles, and I because we're probably not going to
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: talk about defensive grades rightfully, so because they all get
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: an A plus.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: You look at the decision Howie Roseman had to make
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: this offseason. He opted to keep Zach bond and let
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: other people go. I don't know that Zach Bonn ever
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: misses a tackle. I mean, if we want to talk
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: about unsung heroes, I mean, watch the rest of the
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Eagles defense attempt to tackle and I'll maybe I'll put
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: quinnyon Mitchell in this category as well, but they don't
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: really throw his way, which is a testament to how
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: good he is.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know that there's a better, better tackler on
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: the Eagles defense other than Zach Bonn. And it is
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: just amazing. After all the years of the Eagles not
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: investing in the linebacker position, they invest in one. And
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: my biggest fear was he's going to sign this huge
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: deal and all of a sudden it's going to become
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: a flop, Like that would be the most Eagles thing ever,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: because then Howie Roseman will go back to just like
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: patchwork linebackers, right, No, yep, I mean he just he
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: is such a pillar of stability. And I know to
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Kobe Dean's on there as well, right, Like I get that,
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: and Jo can amble like cool. Yeah, Zach Bond is
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: just he fills gaps to absolute perfection. Right Like, every
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: time there's a run play that doesn't go anywhere, you
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: know who's there, Zach Bond.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: In coverage, he never misses a tackle. Ye. He is
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: always the man is always going to the ball. It's
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: not like you know, watching kids play soccer where it's
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: clusters of kids just running around the ball. No, like
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Zach Bond goes where he's supposed to go, and he
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: provides back up, and he will run forty yards down
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: the field to tackle somebody if he's oh yeah, like
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: absolutely Zach Bond. And I agree with Jake Elliott. The
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: only reason why I don't consider him like an unsung
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: hero is because I think last year was a fluke
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: and he is just so good and kicker is one
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: of those things like when you have a good kicker,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: you don't give him any credit. Right. I appreciate you
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: giving him credit, But I just think Zachbaond is for me,
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: at least I should say the young sung hero. And
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: the close second would be the coverage tonight on both
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: punt returns and kick returns, because yeah hoo, many times
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: this year we've said they're getting these huge returns. Something's
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: been figured out tonight, and that's good.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: That's a good thing. Absolutely.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, folks, gonna take another break, last break,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: and then we're gonna get into our grades. Except for
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: the defense, they're gonna get an A plus, and I'm
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: gonna mention that after the break as well.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: But stick with us. We will be right back. All right,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: we're back.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: We're with our good friend Josh Schuster from Philadelphia soccernow
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: dot com filling in for the guys here. Let's get
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: into our grades. We're gonna grade the dog shit offense first,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: and we're Jalen Hurts in this game. We mentioned the
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: stats earlier. Look, I'm gonna get I'm gonna give Jalen
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Hurts a seat us. I maybe being a little too harsh,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: but I think there were certain plays we saw. He
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: has very fine touch with the ball. We have seen
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: this over the years. But how many times are we
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: now seeing him overthrowing players when these these are good
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: players that can go up and those fifty to fifty balls.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: We see it with Smitty all the time. Overthrow Smitty. Today,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: you overthrew Saquon Barkley. Saquon Barkley had his man beat.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: We're seeing that a lot. And as what we were
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: talking about earlier, No, the failures of this offense are
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: not on Jalen Hurts, but I think his play in
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: this game, again, going back to what you're talking about,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: whatever's happening with the quarterback and receivers, there's an issue
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: there and yes, he is the quarterback on this team,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: and there's something to be said for that. I'm giving
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: him a C plus in this game. What do you
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: give him?
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: I'm actually going to give him a D.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: And this goes back to something I had I had
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: texted you that you said, bring up all the show
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: to me tonight was Jalen Hurts of two or three
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: years ago, where it was overthrows, it was poor decision making,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: it was missing wide open people. But I think, to
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts' credit, it shows how far he's grown and
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: how hard he's worked. And so I'm okay with giving
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Hurts a D once a year. I don't think if
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: you were to ask him, he would say tonight was
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: a good game. It was not a good game. There
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: were a lot of plays that were left on the field.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: And he just didn't have a top five QB in
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: the NFL game tonight. And I said, that's how I
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: view him. So if you're not going to live up
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: to that standard, you're not going to get an average
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: grade to me, because I expect that out of you.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Partially watching say partially mostly because you've made me a
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: believer in you that you are a top five quarterback play,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: so I expect that every night that you play. There
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: were a lot of bad habits that came out tonight. Yeah,
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: and so I think for that reason, I'm gonna give
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: him a D. I have no doubt that probably next
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: week it will be a B or A plus.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Yep, all right, very good. Let's move to the running
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: back position.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: As I mentioned earlier, Saquon Barkley averaged three point two
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: yards per carry eighty three yards in this game on
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: twenty six carries. Tank Bigsby with four carries for thirty
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: four yards. My gosh, Tank Bigsby eight point five yards
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: per carry he's averaging He was coming into this game,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Josh averaging seven point four yards per carry. Yes, on
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: eighteen carries total. But still, I mean, the guy's been
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: impressive when he's been out there. But I'm gonna I'm
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: gonna give the running backs this week because I once
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: again it is not their faults that these lanes are
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: not opening up, that the gaps and holes are not
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: opening up up for them to run through. I'm going
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: to give the running backs this week of B minus.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: What do you give them?
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Question? Is this the Tank Bigsby game is that we're
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: we're calling this.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Every time he's touched the ball, good things happen.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Look, I would say that the running game was a
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: B and I do think moving forward, and I don't
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: think Tank Bigsby is a better running back than Saquon
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Barkley exactly. I think if that's your stance on things,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: you need to reevaluate your football knowledge, right. I do
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: think that what needs to happen is Tank Bigsby needs
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: to get some more carries. Solely for the fact, I
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: don't care if it's Tank Bigsby. I don't care if
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: it's Bill Shipley, I don't care if it's Joe Schmo
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: from section two thirty three. Somebody needs to give Saquan
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: a break and just have him prepared for the playoffs.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: And that's that's kind of where I'm at. I would
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: prefer to be Tank Pigsby because they gave up draft
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: picks to get him.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: But just there's got to be some form of a
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: break for Saquon. The wayes aren't there is getting hammered
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: in the backfield. Give give him a bit of a break.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: All right, let's move to the receivers. AJ Brown as
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: we mentioned, eleven Targets came down with seven balls for
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: forty nine yards. Johan Dottson targeted twice, came down with
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: both of them for forty three yards. Dallas scott Or
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: targeted five times, came down with two balls for twenty
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: four yards, and Smitty five targets, only came down with
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: one ball for eight yards. And I have no idea
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: why Ka Kalyn or Kylon Granson is out there, to
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: be honest with, you have no clue why he's out there.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: He caught one ball for four yards, and Saquon caught
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: one for seven yards. Total one hundred and thirty five
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: yards from the receivers, I'm gonna go with I'm gonna
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: go with a C plus here, But I feel weird
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: about this one.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: I feel like because the passing attack because of Jalen hurts,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: because of play calling and coaching. I feel like they
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: just didn't serve the wide receivers well. But then again,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: the wide receivers, you know, a J. Brown, he basically stopped,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: not stopped, but there was there was a go route
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: he was running and and and he kind of like
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: just there's a little Lacca daisical on it. I don't
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: know if Smitty was open all the time, He's opened
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: a lot. Jalen Hurts maybe didn't see him, So maybe
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: maybe a C area isn't fair. You know what, Maybe
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: I'll give him a B. What do you what do
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: you give him? This is a bizarre one degree.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: I'm actually going D.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: You're going D. Okay, there were a lot.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Of drops tonight.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going back down to C. I'm going back
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: down to see I can.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: I can swear you very easily.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I'm well, yes, I'm a public official.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Lol, I'm kidding.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: I just feel like, yes, Hurts didn't have his best game,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: but I also feel like the receivers this game like
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: it was not I kind of hope they just flushed
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: this film because it was not a batter night.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: It was very low energy. It was low energy.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know if that's because they played six
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: days ago or whatnot, but it was it was rough
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: out there tonight for the receivers. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: go with a D.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Too many drops, Okay, all right, offensive line, you know what,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: it's it's got to be an F. I think they
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: were just absolutely horrendous tonight. As we talked about, it
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: takes a lot for me to give various units on
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: this Philadelphia Eagles team. They're the defending Super Bowl champions
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: and stuff, and I know that really doesn't mean much
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: right now given the way this offense is playing. But
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: it takes a lot for me to give, as folks
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: in F but I'm giving. I'm giving the offensive line
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: and F tonight was absolutely horrendous and they still ended
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: up winning this game banks to the defense. But what
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: do you give the offensive line?
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: I give him a C plus. Part of it, yeah,
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: I think part of it, Jeff, is we are so
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: used to elite offensive line play. I think if you
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: talk to Cincinnati, if you talk to either of the
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: New York teams, if you talk to Houston, if you
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: talk to these really bad teams, they would have been
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: very happy with the performance tonight. Okay, I think that's fair.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: We're a number of injuries, like two fifths of the
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Eagles offensive line went out before half. So I'm gonna
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: give them a C plus because they're going to move
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: it D.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm moving up to D.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: I can sway you so quick.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: No, I just made good points.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: You did make good points you put in all seriousness,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: like you're able to give some perspective here at times
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: when I certainly need it.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right when it comes to the Bengals.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: When it comes to the Texans, there are so many
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: teams in the NFL that wish they had half the
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: talent on the offensive line that the Eagles do. We
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: are spoiled. We are used to the dominance, and that's
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: why things are so perplexing right now when you have
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: a talented group of guys like this and the talent
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: level is only getting up to maybe seventy percent eighty percent,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: and we're like, what the hell is going on with
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: this twenty twenty five percent that we're not seeing here?
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: So seriously, it's a very good point.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think even you know, pro football
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: focus and I'll view them as like the gold standard
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: or anything like that they have the Eagles is like
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: a top ten offensive line, but the reality is because
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: they're not top three, I think we're having a hard
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: time adjusting expectations. And I think for men, any of us,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: we love Jason Kelce, but I really thought that we
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: thought that Cam Jurgens was just gonna slide in there
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: and everything's gonna be hunky dory. The offensive line's gonna
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: be seeing Kumbaya together, and maybe that's not the case.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Right right, Okay, all right, move over to the defense.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: We said earlier we're gonna give the defense like we're
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: gonna give the defensive line, linebackers, and the secondary just
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: a pluses. This was the greatest game of the year.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: How they could top this, I'm not one hundred percent sure,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: but a plus is all around for the defense. Special teams, Buddy,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: I have a question for you here because somebody I
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: think was essentially given me a little guff or given
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: the PSD podcast show a little guff when they tweeted
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: out great special teams play on the fake punt, because
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Detroit is known to do some fake punts, fake field goals.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: They've been known to do that. Dan Campbell enjoys doing
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: that every now and again. And somebody was like, the
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: defense was on the fielt But I'm like, yes, the
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: defense was on the field, but that's technically they then
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: become like the special teams.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Correct, am I correct in that?
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: You don't know? Okay, I would I would tend to
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: agree with you. I think part of it is my
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: bare minimum. I should say the bare minimum that I
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: evaluate special teams on is can your kicker make field goals?
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: Can your punter be adequate? And most importantly, the heaviest
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: grade I put is is your special teams making tackles. Because, Jeff,
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: if you watch you watched football probably all day today,
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: how many mistackles do you see on kickoffs and punts?
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: It's just constant?
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: So special teams is about field position. It's about position
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: within the game. That's why it's so important. I'm giving
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: the special teams in a.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they get a plus for me. Jake Elliott did
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: a great job. They tackled when they were supposed to
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: A plus.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Getting into coaching grades. Vic Fangio A plus.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I mean that's yeah, we gotta do right, Yes, okay,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Kevin Patulo, Nick Sirianni, I'm gonna give these. I'm going
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: down to like D. I'm gonna I'm gonna go D here.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: It's it's low again. I don't want to go the
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: F because you're gonna have to convince me to like
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: bump it up perhaps, but I'm going D.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: With the coaching, what do you give? You give an
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: F two or.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: You give an F to them, because I look over
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: rate there too. If you look overall at the Eagles
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: coaching staff, I would say it was a C effort tonight.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: So if we're giving Nick Fan or Vic Fangio a plus,
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: the offensive side of the ball has to be just
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: an F. I don't see how you can give them
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: anything else. They were handed a golden platter three times
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: and they came away with six points. Yeah, not only
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: could they not score on every single one of those,
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: they didn't get a single touchdown.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not exactly right. That's not good at all.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: That's not good.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Definitely one of the worst offensive coaching games. I mean,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: aside from even last week too. Gonna be interesting what
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: happens next week with this team. It really is Philadelphia Eagles, folks.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Amazingly enough, they are eight and two on the season,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: a top not only of the nfcas but at top
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: the NFC as well. My goodness, this team that has
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: a great defensive identity a very poor offensive identity at
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: this point. But look again, they are eight and two.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I am happy about that, and I'm also happy that
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: I got to spend some time with my buddy Josh
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Shuster from Philadelphia Soccer Now dot com. Buddy, thanks so
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: much for filling in here. Always great talking to you.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Let everybody know what they can find you on the
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: socials out there if they want to connect with you anytime.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Jeff, it's my pleasure. I'm on Twitter or x or
• 54:55
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• 55:00
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• 55:03
  Speaker 3: I'm always happy to talk with you. Jeff.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, always great, my friend. Thank you so much, and
• 55:08
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• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Again.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: The Philadelphia Eagles here in Week eleven, beating the Detroit
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Lions by a score of sixteen to nine or eight
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: and two in the season. It's gonna do it for us,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Take care and we will catch you next time.