Latest / DISGRACELAND / River Phoenix: Religious Cults, Deadly Speedballs, and a Disappearing Act
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- 0:00Speaker 1: This episode contains content that may be disturbing to some listeners.
- 0:03Speaker 1: Please check the show notes for more information.
- 0:07Speaker 2: Disgraceland is a production of Double Elvis. This is the
- 0:19Speaker 2: story of River Phoenix, but once in a generation actor,
- 0:24Speaker 2: big talent and big heart. It's also the story of
- 0:27Speaker 2: a religious cult, a disappearing guitar player, hustlers out on
- 0:32Speaker 2: Vasilene Alley, and a deadly speedball and a death outside
- 0:37Speaker 2: the viper room. It's the story of not only a
- 0:40Speaker 2: great actor, but of that actor's friends who made great music.
- 0:46Speaker 2: Unlike that music I played for you at the top
- 0:48Speaker 2: of the show. That wasn't great music. That was a
- 0:51Speaker 2: preset loop for my mellotron called Oki Dokie Smokey Bear
- 0:56Speaker 2: MK two. I played you that loop because I can't
- 1:00Speaker 2: afford the rights to dream Lover by Mariah Carey. Hey,
- 1:05Speaker 2: why would I play you that specific slice of emotions
- 1:08Speaker 2: sampling cheese? Could I afford it? Because that was the
- 1:13Speaker 2: number one song in America on October thirty first, nineteen
- 1:16Speaker 2: ninety three, and that was the day that River Phoenix
- 1:20Speaker 2: died suddenly on the Sunset Boulevard sidewalk. On this episode,
- 1:26Speaker 2: religious cults, disappearing guitar players back Ally, Hustlers in the
- 1:31Speaker 2: Late Great River, Phoenix, Tom Jake Brennan, and This This
- 1:38Speaker 2: Disgrace Land.
- 2:03Speaker 1: Although some hadn't seen him in.
- 2:05Speaker 2: A few years, they all knew they would miss him forever.
- 2:08Speaker 2: Filmmakers like Gus van Zandt and Neil Jordan dedicated their
- 2:12Speaker 2: latest movies to his memory. Arim dedicated their new album
- 2:16Speaker 2: Monster to him, and later a song Ebo The Letter
- 2:19Speaker 2: bore an inscription with his name on the sleeve of
- 2:22Speaker 2: its single, The Cult, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Natalie Merchant,
- 2:26Speaker 2: Belinda Carlyle, Rufus Wainwright, the Stereophonics, not a Serf. They
- 2:30Speaker 2: all wrote songs that were directly about his legacy or
- 2:33Speaker 2: about the tragedy of his untimely death. And every person
- 2:38Speaker 2: behind every song, every movie, and every other piece of
- 2:40Speaker 2: art that strived to quantify the sense of loss all
- 2:44Speaker 2: acknowledged one truism. The most important thing is the hardest
- 2:48Speaker 2: thing to say, to paraphrase Stephen King. Anyway, he was
- 2:53Speaker 2: only twenty three and the most talented actor of his generation.
- 2:56Speaker 2: His greatest roles lay ahead of him, and he was gone.
- 3:00Speaker 2: It was too soon. He was too young. How do
- 3:03Speaker 2: you say that, how do you convey exactly what that
- 3:06Speaker 2: all means? It was near the end of nineteen ninety
- 3:09Speaker 2: three when River Phoenix walked into the Viper Room on
- 3:11Speaker 2: Sunset Boulevard.
- 3:13Speaker 1: The room was dark.
- 3:14Speaker 2: It was always dark inside the Viper Room that Hollywood
- 3:17Speaker 2: club way, so dark that the stars could disappear.
- 3:21Speaker 1: It had been that way since nineteen.
- 3:23Speaker 2: Oh three, eight eight two five Sunset Boulevard for over
- 3:27Speaker 2: one hundred years. The La Hideaway on the corner of
- 3:30Speaker 2: Sunset and Larrabie was known by many names, The Cotton Club,
- 3:34Speaker 2: Rue Angel, the Last Call, the Melody Room, Filthy mcnasty's,
- 3:37Speaker 2: the Central. In the nineteen forties, it was a hangout
- 3:40Speaker 2: for wise Guy Mickey Cohen, who ran dirty money through
- 3:43Speaker 2: the basement. In the nineteen fifties, it was a strip
- 3:46Speaker 2: joint again with Mobcash and Bob Mussel, until it was
- 3:49Speaker 2: shut down for violating obscenity laws. In the nineteen eighties,
- 3:53Speaker 2: it was a dive bar where John Belushi could be
- 3:55Speaker 2: spotted in the shadows and off the radar and on
- 3:57Speaker 2: the rails. Once before River Phoenix walked inside on that
- 4:02Speaker 2: fateful evening October thirtieth, going on thirty first, nineteen ninety three.
- 4:07Speaker 2: Johnny Depp had outbid both Arnold Schwarzenegger and Frank Stallone
- 4:11Speaker 2: to become the club's new owner. The address maintained it
- 4:15Speaker 2: to see and be seeing the lure, even if the
- 4:18Speaker 2: Vendi's low lit vibe made it hard to see anything
- 4:20Speaker 2: at all. Tom Petty played there Grottis on opening night.
- 4:26Speaker 2: Unlike the story about Chris Chambers, the character River played
- 4:29Speaker 2: and Stand by Me the Rob Reiner film, adapted from
- 4:32Speaker 2: a Stephen King novella called The Body. River did encounter
- 4:36Speaker 2: two men arguing inside the viper room when he entered,
- 4:39Speaker 2: and there was no knife, and River wasn't stabbed in
- 4:42Speaker 2: the throat as he tried to keep the peace, like
- 4:44Speaker 2: the fictional Chris Chambers had been. But River was the
- 4:47Speaker 2: kind of person to keep the peace. He was big
- 4:50Speaker 2: on peace, big on love, big on family and veganism
- 4:52Speaker 2: and goodness to others and to the earth itself. He
- 4:55Speaker 2: was the kind of guy he wanted for a brother,
- 4:57Speaker 2: the kind of guy you could bring home to Mom.
- 5:00Speaker 2: It's a kind of guy who was up for any adventure,
- 5:02Speaker 2: the crazier the better. The kind of actor that directors
- 5:05Speaker 2: only found once every generation if they were lucky. Rob
- 5:09Speaker 2: Reiner found that actor when he cast River and stand
- 5:11Speaker 2: By Me. That was nineteen eighty six. It was River's
- 5:15Speaker 2: breakout role Coming of Age, Flick piss Up a rope Man,
- 5:18Speaker 2: and that's all River had been doing up until that point.
- 5:21Speaker 2: Coming of Age, River was just fifteen. He was Chris
- 5:24Speaker 2: Chambers because he had already lived that role, just like
- 5:27Speaker 2: he had lived the role with Charlie Fox and Peter Weirs.
- 5:30Speaker 2: The Mosquito Coast, released later in eighty six, River played
- 5:34Speaker 2: the son of a brilliant inventor, Harrison Ford, who rejects
- 5:36Speaker 2: the commercialism of the United States and moves his family
- 5:39Speaker 2: to Central America. River was intimately familiar with that narrative.
- 5:43Speaker 2: He could also relate to the role of Danny Pope
- 5:46Speaker 2: and Running on Empty, directed by veteran Sidney Lumett, who'd
- 5:49Speaker 2: worked with everyone from Alpaccino to Paul Newman. In that
- 5:53Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight film, River played the son of counterculture
- 5:56Speaker 2: radicals who were on the run from the FBI and
- 5:58Speaker 2: never stayed in one place for too long. River knew
- 6:01Speaker 2: about counterculture just like he knew about the rejection.
- 6:04Speaker 1: Of American commercialism.
- 6:07Speaker 2: River pold from his own life experiences to make each
- 6:10Speaker 2: character feel lived in.
- 6:12Speaker 1: Unlike a lot of his.
- 6:13Speaker 2: Contemporaries, River had something unique, something special. He borrowed into
- 6:18Speaker 2: his roles like the method actors of your and delivered
- 6:21Speaker 2: performances that transcended his straight out of central casting good looks.
- 6:26Speaker 2: That all changed after Halloween nineteen ninety three, shortly after
- 6:30Speaker 2: River died on a sunset boulevard sidewalk. The tragedy of
- 6:34Speaker 2: his death overshadowed all that other stuff, his talent, his choice, roles,
- 6:39Speaker 2: his goodness. Fame will do that because fame doesn't care
- 6:43Speaker 2: about what movies you were in or the sort of
- 6:46Speaker 2: impact you made while you were around. Fame just wants
- 6:49Speaker 2: to know how it all ended. Fame wants the stuff
- 6:52Speaker 2: from the dark room, the room where you disappeared, where
- 6:55Speaker 2: your star went out, The room that you managed to
- 6:57Speaker 2: emerge from, only to collapse on cold a fault under
- 7:00Speaker 2: the pall of Hollywood light pollution. River's next role was
- 7:04Speaker 2: supposed to have vent Daniel Molloy in Neil Jordan's adaptation
- 7:07Speaker 2: of the Anne Riis novel Interview with the Vampire, a
- 7:10Speaker 2: role that ultimately went to Christian Slater. Excepting that role
- 7:14Speaker 2: was a calculated move. It must River's image. He'd been
- 7:18Speaker 2: mussing that image ever since his pin up photos graced
- 7:21Speaker 2: the pages of fan rags like teen Beat and Bob.
- 7:24Speaker 2: His dedication to the cultivation of himself as an actor
- 7:27Speaker 2: was at the center of the best stories about River,
- 7:29Speaker 2: the stories people told to keep the memories alive, the
- 7:32Speaker 2: ones that made the campfire circles and tracks out into
- 7:35Speaker 2: the woods were trains rumbled down nearby tracks and junkyard
- 7:39Speaker 2: dogs failed to live.
- 7:40Speaker 1: Up to their legend.
- 7:41Speaker 2: River lived up to his legend even when he was
- 7:45Speaker 2: denying his own legend. Gainesville, Florida, nineteen eighty nine. A
- 7:52Speaker 2: skinhead at the party made River Phoenix as the River Phoenix,
- 7:56Speaker 2: the one who had just been at the Oscars, the
- 7:58Speaker 2: one who was trying to blend in with the low
- 8:00Speaker 2: vocals play shows with his alt rock band Alekazattic, The
- 8:04Speaker 2: same one who'd spent the day tearing down some of
- 8:06Speaker 2: those old Tiger Beat pinup photos that Arrival band had
- 8:09Speaker 2: stapled next to the flyers for his band's upcoming show
- 8:12Speaker 2: at the Hardback. The skinhead knew he wasn't just another dude.
- 8:16Speaker 2: He wasn't gonna let him slip into anonymity that easily.
- 8:19Speaker 2: But River was feeling contrarian. He was all method. He
- 8:23Speaker 2: slipped into a role. He told the skinhead that his
- 8:26Speaker 2: name was Rio. You must be thinking of another guy,
- 8:29Speaker 2: he said, I'm Rio, not River. Who's the difference? Another
- 8:33Speaker 2: skin had got in on the debate. He summoned a third,
- 8:36Speaker 2: and soon River was surrounded. Nah, man, you're full of shit,
- 8:40Speaker 2: one of the skin had spat his head tilted, Why
- 8:43Speaker 2: you full of shit? You got a fucking problem with me? No?
- 8:47Speaker 1: River responded, no problem.
- 8:49Speaker 2: He looked as three tormentors in the eyes, just not
- 8:52Speaker 2: interested in having this conversation right now? And the skin
- 8:55Speaker 2: heads laughed, not interested, and they laughed some more, not interested?
- 9:00Speaker 2: Are you interested in my fist in your face? Are
- 9:02Speaker 2: you interested in my boot up your fucking ass? Or
- 9:04Speaker 2: are you too good for that too?
- 9:06Speaker 1: Look?
- 9:06Speaker 2: River said, you want to beat the shit out of me?
- 9:09Speaker 1: Fine?
- 9:09Speaker 2: Why do you want to beat the shit out of me?
- 9:11Speaker 2: Because I look like someone else? Because I am someone else?
- 9:14Speaker 2: Because you think I'm not telling you the truth? The
- 9:16Speaker 2: skinheads paused, Wait, they were confused. Did not want to
- 9:20Speaker 2: beat the shit out of him? Was he actually not
- 9:21Speaker 2: the person that he thought he was. Was he telling
- 9:23Speaker 2: the truth? Too many questions? The confrontation had become all
- 9:27Speaker 2: pretzel logic and was therefore rope in the process. However,
- 9:32Speaker 2: River Phoenix had become someone completely different right there before
- 9:36Speaker 2: their eyes. Hollywood, February nineteen seventy one. John McVie looked
- 10:07Speaker 2: out the window of his room at the Hollywood Hawaiian Hotel.
- 10:10Speaker 2: Yuka Street was eerily calm, but John's anxiety was on eleven.
- 10:16Speaker 1: His English band.
- 10:17Speaker 2: Fleetwood Mac had just rolled into town on their American tour.
- 10:20Speaker 2: It was supposed to be a rebirth, their first record
- 10:23Speaker 2: and tour without founding member Peter Green.
- 10:25Speaker 1: They had a lot to prove.
- 10:27Speaker 2: And they were scheduled to prove it for three straight
- 10:29Speaker 2: nights at the Whiskey at Go Go. There was one
- 10:31Speaker 2: major problem. Fleetwood Max guitarist and singer Jeremy Spencer was missing.
- 10:37Speaker 2: He left after they checked into the hotel, said he
- 10:39Speaker 2: was going to the grocery store. When hours passed and
- 10:42Speaker 2: it was obvious that Jeremy wasn't coming back, the band
- 10:45Speaker 2: went into panic mode. They called the British Consulate, they
- 10:48Speaker 2: called the LAPD, they called their label Warner Brothers. They
- 10:51Speaker 2: even got the whiskey's owner, Elmer Valentine, a former Chicago
- 10:54Speaker 2: cop with a storied history of losing and finding guys
- 10:57Speaker 2: via his connections in organized crime, to join the search,
- 11:01Speaker 2: but no Dice. There would be no Fleetwood Mac shows
- 11:04Speaker 2: at the Whiskey that week. Three days later, the phone
- 11:08Speaker 2: in John's hotel room rang. It was the band's manager,
- 11:12Speaker 2: Clifford Davis. The voice on the other end of the
- 11:15Speaker 2: line was frantic, John, You're not going to believe this.
- 11:17Speaker 2: They found him, They found Jeremy. You're not going to
- 11:20Speaker 2: believe this. Jeremy had gone tropo with the Jesus Freaks.
- 11:24Speaker 2: He was found dancing, chanting, and praying alongside four hundred
- 11:27Speaker 2: others at a four story building in LA's gritty downtown,
- 11:30Speaker 2: the makeshift headquarters of the Children of God, a pseudorevolutionary
- 11:34Speaker 2: religious sect that preached change through rejecting societal norms. Jeremy's
- 11:39Speaker 2: hair was cut short, he was wearing a sackcloth. He
- 11:43Speaker 2: had given his two hundred dollars over to the Children
- 11:45Speaker 2: of God, or more accurately, to its self appointed prophet.
- 11:48Speaker 2: David Brandt. Burg Berg was a pastor who had fallen
- 11:52Speaker 2: from grace. Booted from an evangelical church on suspicions of
- 11:56Speaker 2: sexual misconduct, he rebounded by attracting impressionable hippies along the
- 12:00Speaker 2: beaches of Greater la to what he called Teens for Christ.
- 12:05Speaker 2: The hippies called him Father David, or Moses, or eventually
- 12:08Speaker 2: just Moe. By the time Jeremy Spencer was absorbed into
- 12:12Speaker 2: Moe's fold, Teens for Christ had morphed in two Children
- 12:15Speaker 2: of God. This membership was growing exponentially. Moe was seizing
- 12:20Speaker 2: the attention not to mention the worldly possessions of twenty
- 12:23Speaker 2: something counterculture types who continued to desperately seek out the
- 12:26Speaker 2: hippie dream, the same hippie dream that had begun its
- 12:29Speaker 2: death spiral a few years earlier at the Rolling Stones
- 12:32Speaker 2: deadly Altamont festival. John and the others in Fleetwood Mac
- 12:37Speaker 2: hardly recognized their bandmate. All it took was a few
- 12:40Speaker 2: days for Jeremy to become someone else. He had nothing,
- 12:44Speaker 2: he wanted nothing, He said very little. They asked Jeremy
- 12:47Speaker 2: to return, but he refused. He renounced Fleetwood Mac. He
- 12:50Speaker 2: renounced materialism, He renounced his wife and his two children.
- 12:54Speaker 1: He was an ever turning back. He was a child
- 12:57Speaker 1: of God.
- 12:58Speaker 2: Now Crockett, Texas, nineteen seventy two, Fleetwood Max Sentimental Lady
- 13:07Speaker 2: crackled from the speakers as John Bottom drove his VW
- 13:10Speaker 2: down I forty five. Sitting behind him, his wife Arlen
- 13:15Speaker 2: held their two year old boy, River Jude, and sang along.
- 13:18Speaker 2: River was their first child, though they were currently expecting another.
- 13:22Speaker 2: He was born at a peppermin farm in Madris, Oregon,
- 13:25Speaker 2: which John and Arland stumbled upon while driving around with
- 13:28Speaker 2: their DIY mobile commune. With Arlind nearing her due date,
- 13:32Speaker 2: they had put down stakes for a spell, and the
- 13:35Speaker 2: couple's commune members worked the farm in exchange for a
- 13:38Speaker 2: place to crash. The idealism of their hippymo is what
- 13:42Speaker 2: led John and Arland to Oregon in the first place,
- 13:45Speaker 2: and also what led them to Texas. Now they were wanderers,
- 13:49Speaker 2: peace and lovers, and they knew there was more to
- 13:51Speaker 2: life than materialism. There was a higher consciousness out there
- 13:55Speaker 2: for the taking. War was over if you wanted it,
- 13:58Speaker 2: And they were searching for something, something real, something true,
- 14:01Speaker 2: and they would know it when they found it, Just
- 14:04Speaker 2: like he John Bottom had known that she Arlen Dunetts
- 14:08Speaker 2: was Lee one when he first saw her standing on
- 14:10Speaker 2: the edge of Santa Monica Boulevard back in nineteen sixty
- 14:13Speaker 2: seven film Stuck out in the dry Los Angeles are
- 14:16Speaker 2: She took his breath away. He pulled the VW over,
- 14:20Speaker 2: offered her a ride, and that was that brother, and
- 14:23Speaker 2: they started a new journey together in that moment.
- 14:26Speaker 1: It was fate.
- 14:27Speaker 2: From there, Fate gave him a mobile commune, and then
- 14:30Speaker 2: the Peppermint Firm, and then River arrived, and then cut
- 14:33Speaker 2: to another epic VW odyssey with John and Arln River
- 14:37Speaker 2: and tow of course, still searching for that thing, that honest,
- 14:41Speaker 2: real thing, somewhere away from the trappings of stuff, free
- 14:45Speaker 2: from political and economic ideologies that smothered creativity and individuality.
- 14:50Speaker 1: And they would know it when they found it.
- 14:52Speaker 2: And in Crockett, Texas, in nineteen seventy two, they thought
- 14:56Speaker 2: they'd found it. The Children of God Community Crockett was
- 15:00Speaker 2: one of over one hundred that had popped up across
- 15:02Speaker 2: the United States and Canada in the early seventies, and
- 15:05Speaker 2: at each one, members were expected to follow the same rules.
- 15:10Speaker 2: Reject society, reject materialism, give up all your worldly possessions,
- 15:14Speaker 2: don't pay taxes, and don't vote. David Brandtberg aka Father
- 15:19Speaker 2: David aka MO. So called children were also expected to proselytize,
- 15:24Speaker 2: and they sang songs, they bore witness, they handed out pamphlets.
- 15:28Speaker 2: John and Arlin were put in the group's leadership track,
- 15:31Speaker 2: and soon they were seeing the world and spreading the
- 15:33Speaker 2: word from Mexico to Puerto Rico to Venezuela. And during
- 15:37Speaker 2: their four year tenure as proselytizers, their family grew a girl,
- 15:40Speaker 2: Rain Joan of Arc and then another boy, Joaquin Raphael,
- 15:43Speaker 2: and then another girl, Liberty Mariposa River and Rain took
- 15:47Speaker 2: the street corners of Caracas with a guitar and sang
- 15:50Speaker 2: songs to scrounge up tips. And there was a darker
- 15:53Speaker 2: reasoning behind MO. Their leaders called to live lean and
- 15:57Speaker 2: live communally. The apocalypse was near and it was best
- 16:00Speaker 2: to unburden yourself of such meaningless flotsam and jetsam before
- 16:04Speaker 2: the biblical shit hit the fan. But families like the
- 16:07Speaker 2: Bottoms were being duped by Mo's cult, because that's what
- 16:11Speaker 2: it was a cult. They weren't told about everything that
- 16:14Speaker 2: was going on behind the scenes. There were unspeakable things
- 16:17Speaker 2: happening in the darkness behind closed doors. Some light was
- 16:21Speaker 2: shed on the true nature of MOA's cult when he
- 16:23Speaker 2: sent around a missive to his flock that encouraged women
- 16:26Speaker 2: to freely practice what he dubbed flirty fishing, in other words,
- 16:30Speaker 2: find wealthy and powerful men, sleep with them, and convince
- 16:33Speaker 2: them to turn their money and their bodies over to
- 16:35Speaker 2: the Children of God. When that piece of mail arrived
- 16:39Speaker 2: in the Bottom's mailbox, the wool was pulled from their eyes.
- 16:42Speaker 2: They began to see the cult for what it really was,
- 16:45Speaker 2: and it wasn't that real true thing they had searched
- 16:49Speaker 2: so long for on the road, and they severed their
- 16:52Speaker 2: ties with the Children of God for good. It wasn't
- 16:57Speaker 2: until much later that more of the cult's truth emerged.
- 17:00Speaker 2: Mo had been openly promoting incest and pedophilia in the ranks.
- 17:04Speaker 2: Children were encouraged to experiment sexually with other children, and
- 17:08Speaker 2: according to mo it wasn't taboo for adults to engage
- 17:11Speaker 2: in sexual acts with kids either. Back in nineteen seventy eight,
- 17:16Speaker 2: the Bottom family split for good from David Bramptberg aka
- 17:20Speaker 2: Moe and his Children of God when they boarded a
- 17:23Speaker 2: cargo ship in Caracas and sale to Miami, and they
- 17:27Speaker 2: would search for a better reality. They would make a
- 17:29Speaker 2: fresh start, and they cleansed the past by adopting a
- 17:32Speaker 2: new surname, Phoenix, which was rich and meaning for river.
- 17:37Speaker 2: It was his first experience becoming someone new.
- 17:44Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this. We're were were.
- 17:52Speaker 2: The club kids came from the suburbs. They came from
- 17:54Speaker 2: Gresham and Beaverton, and they came across the Columbia River
- 17:57Speaker 2: from Vancouver. When they made it to port into the
- 18:00Speaker 2: City nightclub on Northwest Thirteenth Avenue, the boys could finally
- 18:04Speaker 2: take their shirts off, and the girls could ignore the boys,
- 18:07Speaker 2: and they all could feel free to be whoever they
- 18:09Speaker 2: truly were. Gay, bye, stray, curious, unsure, whatever. Most nights,
- 18:14Speaker 2: the line to get inside the alcohol free all ages
- 18:16Speaker 2: clubs stretched down the sidewalk, and the anticipation to get
- 18:20Speaker 2: beyond the front door was palpable. Each time the door
- 18:23Speaker 2: would open to let in another guest, unrelenting bass would
- 18:26Speaker 2: ooze out into the night, so with a steady waft
- 18:30Speaker 2: of close cigarettes, the club kid at the front of
- 18:32Speaker 2: the line would get the customary pat down and then
- 18:35Speaker 2: would walk inside past the sign of the front office,
- 18:38Speaker 2: the one that prohibited over heterosexual behavior, and then on
- 18:41Speaker 2: into the main room, a dance floor heaving to the
- 18:44Speaker 2: rhythm of house music and the flash of strobes, boys
- 18:48Speaker 2: and wigs, girls with shaved heads, studded collars.
- 18:50Speaker 1: Next to pop preppy callers.
- 18:52Speaker 2: From ten pm to two am, every Wednesday through Sunday,
- 18:55Speaker 2: anything went. The City Nightclub was the only place in
- 18:59Speaker 2: Portland and where marginalized kids between the ages of fifteen
- 19:02Speaker 2: and twenty five felt comfortable being themselves. In the early
- 19:06Speaker 2: nineteen nineties. It was an important gathering place for gay
- 19:10Speaker 2: teens and kids who had nowhere else to go, and
- 19:13Speaker 2: the City Nightclub offered a room where they could live
- 19:15Speaker 2: out loud without fear of judgment. August nineteen ninety River
- 19:20Speaker 2: Phoenix stood in the City Nightclub's long line, just another
- 19:23Speaker 2: twenty year old anticipating the transformative powers of deep bass,
- 19:27Speaker 2: flashing lights, and sweaty bodies. But unlike the other clubgoers
- 19:32Speaker 2: looking to be part of something bigger than themselves, River
- 19:34Speaker 2: was looking to disappear. He didn't want to be River
- 19:37Speaker 2: Phoenix that night. He wanted to be another anonymous Portland
- 19:40Speaker 2: street kid looking for something they couldn't be found in
- 19:42Speaker 2: the daylight. His locks of blonde hair were cut short,
- 19:47Speaker 2: his tiger beet pinup style replaced with something greasy and haggard, thin,
- 19:52Speaker 2: sunken eyes. He wore a dirty barn jacket. He was
- 19:55Speaker 2: a fallen j crue angel. The River was disappearing into
- 19:58Speaker 2: research for his next My Own Private Idaho, directed by
- 20:02Speaker 2: Portland's hot indie filmmaker Gus van Zant, whose last film,
- 20:06Speaker 2: Drugstore Cowboy, took home awards for Best Picture and Best
- 20:10Speaker 2: Director from the National Society of Film Critics. In My
- 20:13Speaker 2: Own Private Idaho, River would play Mikey Waters, a narcoleptic
- 20:17Speaker 2: street hustler who hits the road with co star Keanu
- 20:20Speaker 2: reeves to seek out some idealized version of his mother.
- 20:23Speaker 2: For both River and Keanu, then best known as one
- 20:26Speaker 2: half of the excellent Bill and Ted, the roles were
- 20:29Speaker 2: daring choices that broke from their established tiger beat tight
- 20:34Speaker 2: The role was such a dramatic shift that River's agent,
- 20:36Speaker 2: Iris Burton, didn't want River.
- 20:38Speaker 1: Taking the role in the first place.
- 20:40Speaker 2: She was worried it would destroy him.
- 20:42Speaker 1: It was worth the risk.
- 20:43Speaker 2: Maybe if the role destroyed anything, it would be his
- 20:46Speaker 2: teeny bopper image to deliver a faithful character on screen,
- 20:51Speaker 2: something dark and desperate, unlike anything he'd played before. River
- 20:54Speaker 2: lost himself in the city underworld street culture of Portland.
- 20:58Speaker 2: He got into heroin using hard drugs like cocaine, since
- 21:01Speaker 2: he was fifteen, freebasing at an age when his peers
- 21:04Speaker 2: were experimenting with zema, and so it was easy enough
- 21:08Speaker 2: for River to go even harder. Important smack was everywhere,
- 21:11Speaker 2: especially in the cities underworld of dealers, users and hustlers,
- 21:16Speaker 2: and at places like the City Nightclub.
- 21:18Speaker 1: He sought out the.
- 21:19Speaker 2: Action going on above the big communal dance party on
- 21:22Speaker 2: the first floor. He was looking for what was happening
- 21:25Speaker 2: upstairs in the smaller room, the room with a darker soundtrack,
- 21:29Speaker 2: more alien sex fiend than Frankie Knuckles. Because like all
- 21:34Speaker 2: great things, the City Nightclub had a flip side, a
- 21:37Speaker 2: dark side. It lurked upstairs. It blended in among the
- 21:41Speaker 2: shadows of the wallflowers, coke, heroin and pills, or the
- 21:44Speaker 2: currency creepy old men going incognito or trying to go incognito,
- 21:49Speaker 2: though they always stuck out like sore thumbs, and they
- 21:52Speaker 2: were looking to take advantage of younger boys hard up
- 21:54Speaker 2: for attention or for a few bucks. The boys, on
- 21:57Speaker 2: the other hand, were playing their own grift. Soon they
- 22:00Speaker 2: were the ones propositioning the older men in order to
- 22:02Speaker 2: make a quick buck in one of the bathroom's stalls.
- 22:05Speaker 2: River had already been given a crash course in the
- 22:08Speaker 2: grift game.
- 22:11Speaker 1: That happened earlier that night.
- 22:12Speaker 2: When Scott Green, a former Portland street kid who was
- 22:15Speaker 2: part of the inspiration for the character of Mikey Waters,
- 22:19Speaker 2: took River down to a four block stretch of Southwest Stark.
- 22:22Speaker 2: Portland's gay community referred to it as Vassaline Alley, the
- 22:27Speaker 2: Pied Piper, Somebody's place gay bars and hotels, where impulsive
- 22:31Speaker 2: trysts were just as likely to happen in a lobby
- 22:34Speaker 2: bathroom as they were in a paid hourly room. River
- 22:37Speaker 2: and Scott took their spots against the wall of a building.
- 22:41Speaker 2: The paint was peeling, cigarettes burned between their fingers, the
- 22:45Speaker 2: pavement was wet from a recent storm. Scott gave River
- 22:48Speaker 2: pointers on his posture. Posture was everything. Posture could make
- 22:51Speaker 2: a brick a deal, And they watched a kid climb
- 22:54Speaker 2: into the passenger seat of a sedan that had just
- 22:56Speaker 2: pulled over into a handicapped spot on the side of
- 22:58Speaker 2: the road. Bumper was dented on the driver's side. Headlights cut,
- 23:03Speaker 2: muffler rumbling, and the kid closed the door behind him.
- 23:06Speaker 2: How old is he, River asked, Scott shrugged. A few
- 23:09Speaker 2: minutes later, the kid was out of the car, stuffing
- 23:11Speaker 2: a bill into the pocket of his jeans. He lit
- 23:13Speaker 2: a cigarette and disappeared into the shadows on Stark where up.
- 23:17Speaker 2: Scott said to River as a Vovo station.
- 23:19Speaker 1: Where I can pulled up next to them.
- 23:22Speaker 2: The middle aged bald man at the wheel was making
- 23:24Speaker 2: discreete eye contact. Just remember if he box at the price.
- 23:28Speaker 2: Remind him that he's welcome to drive back home without
- 23:30Speaker 2: getting anything.
- 23:31Speaker 1: You've got the upper hand.
- 23:35Speaker 2: River and Scott never actually followed through with any of
- 23:37Speaker 2: the Johns they met on the side of the street.
- 23:40Speaker 2: River just wanted to see how the deals were made.
- 23:42Speaker 2: The two would bail on the Johns as soon as
- 23:44Speaker 2: the deals were struck, laughing and screaming as they tore
- 23:47Speaker 2: ass down the back streets of Vasiline Alley. Now standing
- 23:51Speaker 2: in line for the City nightclub, River looked across Thirteenth Avenue.
- 23:55Speaker 2: He was distracted by a small group of protesters lining
- 23:58Speaker 2: the opposite sidewalk, and they were silent and pointed handmade signs.
- 24:02Speaker 2: Of the crowd of club kids repent read one of them,
- 24:05Speaker 2: the letters surrounded by a cartoon depiction of Hell, and
- 24:09Speaker 2: the doorman had to yell to get River's attention.
- 24:12Speaker 1: He was next in line.
- 24:13Speaker 2: There was an issue. River wasn't carrying his wallet, immersing
- 24:17Speaker 2: himself in the research of the role. He wasn't carrying
- 24:19Speaker 2: anything that would identify him as his true self, and
- 24:22Speaker 2: since he and Scott had bailed on all the Johns
- 24:24Speaker 2: that night after sealing each deal, he didn't have any
- 24:26Speaker 2: cash on him either. He couldn't pay the cover charge.
- 24:30Speaker 2: Against his best judgment, he told the doorman under his
- 24:33Speaker 2: breath that he was, in fact River Phoenix, researching a
- 24:36Speaker 2: new role, Gus van Zan and all that. Surely that
- 24:39Speaker 2: name meant something here, right, drunk store cowboy? You know?
- 24:42Speaker 2: Could you let him in for a quick look around?
- 24:44Speaker 2: And the doorman asked for id and the River had nothing. Listen,
- 24:48Speaker 2: the door man said, you know you got the five
- 24:50Speaker 2: bucks to get inside or you don't, But we gotta
- 24:53Speaker 2: move this line along. And if you really are who
- 24:54Speaker 2: you say you are you should ask some idea on
- 24:56Speaker 2: you proven that to be true. I think I would
- 24:58Speaker 2: know River Phoenix when I see him. Let me tell
- 25:00Speaker 2: you you ain't him.
- 25:02Speaker 3: Media Smoller Saller, Slower, slower, slower, slower.
- 25:28Speaker 2: In the early nineteen nineties, the Sunset Strip in Hollywood
- 25:31Speaker 2: was a twenty four to seven pharmacy. Whatever you wanted
- 25:34Speaker 2: you could get. He just had to know where to
- 25:36Speaker 2: look or.
- 25:37Speaker 1: Who to ask.
- 25:38Speaker 2: Sometimes you didn't even have to look for it, and
- 25:40Speaker 2: the pharmacy would find you.
- 25:42Speaker 1: Did you need anything?
- 25:43Speaker 2: Coke, ecstasy, weed, uppers, downers, junk was a bad scene
- 25:47Speaker 2: for someone who was doing more drugs than he was
- 25:49Speaker 2: letting on, perhaps even self medicating as he navigated the
- 25:52Speaker 2: demons of.
- 25:53Speaker 1: His past and the pressures of fame.
- 25:55Speaker 2: While researching his role from my own private Idaho, River
- 25:59Speaker 2: disappeared a little too far into his fictional character, so
- 26:03Speaker 2: far that when the shoot was over, he didn't fully
- 26:05Speaker 2: return to who he was before his recreational drug use
- 26:09Speaker 2: had become unchecked. He would often binge for hours or
- 26:12Speaker 2: days and then swear off drugs when another Sunday morning
- 26:15Speaker 2: came down, and this was a cycle that played out
- 26:18Speaker 2: over and over again. He ran that cycle sometimes with
- 26:22Speaker 2: John Fruchante, guitarists for the Red Hot Chili Peppers, the
- 26:25Speaker 2: La band River had become friendly with as he continued
- 26:28Speaker 2: to make a go of it with Alkaz Attic Pruschante
- 26:31Speaker 2: really left that faded pink mansion up Laurel Canyonway, the
- 26:35Speaker 2: one that everyone called Houdini's Mansion, even though it was
- 26:38Speaker 2: Erro Flynn who had lived there, not Houdini. Fruschante had
- 26:42Speaker 2: gone on hiatus from his stay job with the Chili
- 26:44Speaker 2: Peppers and was spending most of his days and nights
- 26:47Speaker 2: at the so called Houdini's mansion doing the so called
- 26:49Speaker 2: disappearing act. The River was interested in that disappearing Hollywood,
- 26:57Speaker 2: October thirty first, nineteen ninety three, twelve twenty seven, Am
- 27:02Speaker 2: River carried his guitar as he made his way inside
- 27:05Speaker 2: the Viper Room. It was his intention to get on
- 27:08Speaker 2: stage as part of the pickup band that Johnny Depp
- 27:10Speaker 2: had assembled to perform songs of his band p As
- 27:13Speaker 2: in the letter that evening, every performer in the band
- 27:16Speaker 2: was looking for the same thing River was looking for
- 27:19Speaker 2: to play against type to be reborn, if only for
- 27:22Speaker 2: the evening to disappear, And there was Johnny Depp, actor
- 27:26Speaker 2: by day and Viper Room owner by night, playing the
- 27:28Speaker 2: role of singer and guitarist Al Jurgensen, ditching his standard
- 27:32Speaker 2: industrial fare and ministry for something far less transgressive. Gibby Haynes,
- 27:37Speaker 2: frontman for the Butthole Surfers, seeing what it was like
- 27:39Speaker 2: to not be the sole frontman for once, Ben montyche
- 27:43Speaker 2: keyboardist for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, down shifting from
- 27:46Speaker 2: sold out arenas to slummet with the cool kids. And
- 27:49Speaker 2: there was Flea, bass player for the Red Hot Chili Peppers,
- 27:52Speaker 2: who wanted a jam with a unique roster of la
- 27:55Speaker 2: cats and gleaned some new insight into the art of collaboration.
- 27:58Speaker 2: Flea's usual collabiter, Jean Fruchante, had already attempted to play
- 28:02Speaker 2: an opening set, but he had brought that Houdini Mansion
- 28:05Speaker 2: vibe with him down from the hills. He was high
- 28:08Speaker 2: as shit. He barely made it through one psalm before
- 28:10Speaker 2: we stopped and puked on the stage. And the Viper
- 28:13Speaker 2: Room stage was as tiny as the pickup band's roster
- 28:16Speaker 2: was deep. There just wasn't enough room for River to
- 28:19Speaker 2: take part, so he took a seat guitar aside. It
- 28:23Speaker 2: wasn't in the cards to become another version of himself
- 28:26Speaker 2: on stage alongside all the other versions of all the
- 28:29Speaker 2: other performers who were better known for doing things besides
- 28:31Speaker 2: being in a pickup band called p And though the
- 28:35Speaker 2: room was dark, this wasn't the streets of Gainesville or
- 28:38Speaker 2: the meaner streets of Portland. This was Hollywood, and inside
- 28:41Speaker 2: the viper room, he was made as the River Phoenix
- 28:44Speaker 2: by those who walked by his table. Not even thirty
- 28:48Speaker 2: minutes later, however, almost as soon as River had been
- 28:51Speaker 2: made by those in attendance as a celebrity that he was,
- 28:54Speaker 2: River was gone again. He'd split.
- 28:57Speaker 1: He wasn't at his table.
- 28:58Speaker 2: He wasn't standing in the tight packed crowd in front
- 29:01Speaker 2: of the small stage absorbing the ripple of sound waves
- 29:04Speaker 2: coming from Johnny Depp's band. Where was River Phoenix. He
- 29:09Speaker 2: had slipped out the back door of the viper room,
- 29:12Speaker 2: undetected by most inside. He remained anonymous on the outside too,
- 29:16Speaker 2: And that's where he was, on his back on the
- 29:19Speaker 2: sunset boulevard sidewalk. The seizures started. His arms flailed, his
- 29:25Speaker 2: legs kicked, his head banged against the pavement, and the
- 29:28Speaker 2: rumble of Johnny Depp's pickup rock show seeped out from
- 29:31Speaker 2: the Viper Room's black walls. Hollywood revelers taking advantage of
- 29:35Speaker 2: a Saturday night to celebrate Halloween one night Early side
- 29:38Speaker 2: stepped around River's convulsing body, and they were used to
- 29:41Speaker 2: random encounters with derelicts tweaking on the sidewalk, but they
- 29:45Speaker 2: had no idea who was literally dying right.
- 29:47Speaker 1: In front of them.
- 29:48Speaker 2: Neither did anyone still inside the Viper Room, and by
- 29:52Speaker 2: the time the paramedics arrived, River had been having a
- 29:54Speaker 2: series of seizures for about fifteen minutes straight. He was
- 29:58Speaker 2: out cold, no pop yes, they administered a shot of
- 30:01Speaker 2: narcan CPR. They took him to Cedar Sinai, and he
- 30:05Speaker 2: was pronounced dead at one fifty one am Halloween morning.
- 30:10Speaker 2: Official cause of death an overdose of cocaine and heroin.
- 30:15Speaker 2: News of River's death hit the wires and the disappearing
- 30:18Speaker 2: started again.
- 30:19Speaker 1: John Fruschante locked.
- 30:20Speaker 2: Himself from the Houdini mansion up the hill, Johnny Depp
- 30:23Speaker 2: skipped town, and the Viper Room closed down for a
- 30:26Speaker 2: week and became a makeshift shrine to River's memory. Steve Lightfoot,
- 30:29Speaker 2: an unemployed cook who drove a van around town that
- 30:32Speaker 2: read Stephen King shot John Lennon See the photos that
- 30:35Speaker 2: prove it, peddled a crackpot theory that River was secretly
- 30:38Speaker 2: murdered by the American government for his crusades against animal cruelty.
- 30:42Speaker 2: Years later, another particularly explosive murder theory bombshell, was dropped
- 30:47Speaker 2: by someone close to River. Director William Reichart, who had
- 30:51Speaker 2: worked with River on the nineteen eighty eight film A
- 30:54Speaker 2: Night in the Life of Jimmy Reardon and at the
- 30:56Speaker 2: time of River's death was preparing to work with him
- 30:59Speaker 2: again on his upcoming version of The Man in the
- 31:01Speaker 2: Iron Mask, gave an interview to writer Gavin Edwards in
- 31:05Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. Edwards was speaking to Reikert as research for
- 31:10Speaker 2: his book about River called Last Night at the Viper Room.
- 31:13Speaker 2: In that interview, Reichart claims that shortly after River entered
- 31:17Speaker 2: the Viper Room, and immediately before he began to have convulsions,
- 31:21Speaker 2: a friend of his, a guitarist, stopped by his table
- 31:24Speaker 2: it gave him a cup and told him to drink it.
- 31:27Speaker 2: Reichardt's story goes that River did as he was told,
- 31:30Speaker 2: but that he had no clue that the cup contained
- 31:32Speaker 2: a dissolved speedball that's cocaine and heroin, and not just
- 31:36Speaker 2: any speedball, but one that was eight times a lethal dose.
- 31:40Speaker 2: You can easily go online and find many zealous defenders
- 31:43Speaker 2: of this theory, the theory that River Phoenix was actually killed,
- 31:47Speaker 2: whether intentionally or not, by someone that he knew. These
- 31:51Speaker 2: theories from William Reichart and Stephen Lightfoot, regardless if you
- 31:54Speaker 2: believe them or not, regardless of whether or not they
- 31:56Speaker 2: are real or fake, they do do the same thing.
- 31:59Speaker 2: They displaced the pin and draw our focus instead to
- 32:02Speaker 2: the scandal and the shame of it all, and they
- 32:05Speaker 2: also get to a more profound truth, the truth that
- 32:08Speaker 2: the most important things are the hardest things to say.
- 32:11Speaker 2: And sometimes it's easier to mask grief behind a scandalous
- 32:15Speaker 2: claim or a makeshift sign on a white van than
- 32:18Speaker 2: it is to state what we really feel. That it
- 32:21Speaker 2: sucks that River Phoenix is no longer with us, and
- 32:24Speaker 2: how do you convey exactly what all that means? When
- 32:28Speaker 2: we watch as intoxicating jaunt as a young Harrison Ford
- 32:31Speaker 2: in the opening scene of Indiana Jones in the Last
- 32:34Speaker 2: Crusade or as nuanced comedic turns and I Love You
- 32:37Speaker 2: to Death and the vastly underrated Sneakers we all think
- 32:40Speaker 2: the same thing. Will miss them forever because River Phoenix
- 32:46Speaker 2: ought to be here, but he's not, and that is
- 32:50Speaker 2: a disgrace.
- 32:54Speaker 4: I'm Jake Brennan in this is disgrace Land. All right, guys,
- 33:10Speaker 4: thanks for checking out this episode.
- 33:12Speaker 1: On River Phoenix.
- 33:13Speaker 2: I called River a once in a generation actor in
- 33:16Speaker 2: this episode, but Wizzy, do you guys agree? Do you
- 33:18Speaker 2: think so?
- 33:19Speaker 1: And I want to know for you, guys, the question
- 33:21Speaker 1: of the week is who is the greatest.
- 33:23Speaker 2: Actor from the nineteen nineties and why? Six one seven
- 33:28Speaker 2: nine oh six six six three eight. Leave me a voicemail,
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