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Epstein’s Own Words on David Rockefeller, The Trilateral Commission & Fractionalized Banking · Healthy Happy Wise Wealthy

• Mary Meyer [0:05]: Welcome to Healthy Happy Wise Wealthy, the podcast where we talk about how to make our lives happier, wiser, and wealthier, but first, it all begins with our health. I am your host, Mary Meyer. Mary Meyer [0:17]: Everyone, welcome back to Healthy Happy Wise Wealthy. On today's episode, we're gonna go look at Epstein's stuff, and I think I've painted myself into a corner with this because if I'm talking about healthy, happy, wise, and wealthy, why is it like this? Can we do it better? Why is the wisdom of the world doesn't seem very wise? Why are things the way they are, and can they be done better? We have to look at what just came out in between season one and season two were... Mary Meyer [0:44]: I stopped, we had this little two-week break, and in between there I had chaos going on for me 'cause I'm, in the spirit of being realigned to what is important, I am switching jobs and so that is a thing that is happening just so I can be healthier. We have to do that first, right? Mary Meyer [1:07]: And all these amazing guests that we've had, about thirty-six episodes, every single piece of it is such an important part of making sure we are grounded and thriving. It is very hard to be grounded and thriving when there is so much that is working against us. The Epstein files is so based in the US, all this human trafficking is based so much in the US, and we are the ones that seem to not be able to talk about it or look at it, and I think we're tired. I think we're sick of political battles. I think we're sick of hearing about stuff, and this is a guy who died, and he trafficked some women, but he's gone, so we don't wanna deal with it. It is so much more than that. You cannot actually go more than a couple seconds into an interview with him or more than just a file without realizing the trails are so long and so deep, and they cover about every aspect of life. Mary Meyer [2:16]: I want to look at this in a way to kind of guard our ability to still be present for what we're doing in the world and in our work and with our families and in our jobs, and we're trying to be leaders or entrepreneurs or take care of our circle in the world. I understand all that, and I have all the same things that I'm trying to do too, so I completely get it. But we have to look at it because it's just too big to not look at. I'm going to share an interview that's on several different places on YouTube, and this is not a leaked interview. It's on the Department of Justice website, but the Department of Justice has made it kind of hard to find information. Mary Meyer [3:15]: We're gonna look at it and just watch it on YouTube for a second, and there's more than one place you can watch it on YouTube. In this interview, the one thing that there's some takeaways that I feel like we need. One thing is this is a calm man. He is well-spoken. He's a little bit almost bumbling. Like, you don't look at him when you listen to him and think predator. You think, "Yeah, he's a nice guy, probably." I mean, he seems very cordial. He seems well-spoken, intelligent, can talk about the soul and all this different stuff that he talks about in here, and yet, when we dive into what he did, it is so much worse. As if trafficking is not bad enough, not just trafficking teenagers, we're talking babies, infants, missing children from around the world, and then he's doing all kinds of—he's involved with the Rothschilds, with the Rockefellers, with people who are looking into human cloning, all these things, and I'll show you some files. Mary Meyer [4:29]: Apparently everyone in our government, not everyone, but leadership across the board in our government seems to be compromised in one way or the other from this. Leaders in business, it really goes on and on. When we look at this right here, what we wanna think about is he's the predator. He's calm. Mary Meyer [4:53]: There's a few lessons I think we need to learn and unlearn. One is that we tend to trust people who are calm and well-spoken, and not all of them are predators obviously, but a predator is usually calm and well-spoken, intelligent, where their victims look crazy, act crazy, are screaming or crying, are destabilized in about every way. Who knows what's really going on better than someone who lived through it firsthand and saw it? Mary Meyer [5:32]: But they're not gonna be okay. We as a human race do not do a very good job in believing a victim. And now, certainly there are people who tell stories and they're fabricated. There's that too. But in general, this is truth-telling. Someone who is acting crazy is sometimes the one who knows all the information you need and I need. They're the ones who hold the wealth of knowledge. But we want to listen to someone who is just kind and looks kind, looks calm. Mary Meyer [6:15]: Let's listen a minute to this. Jeffery Epstein [6:16]: Excuse me for these things I want to do and inquire from the others. Walk me through the Santa Fe Institute. What was it about the time— Mary Meyer [6:24]: First of all, two seconds in, the Santa Fe Institute, what is that? We can jot it down. What's the Santa Fe Institute and why are they asking Jeffrey Epstein about it? Jeffery Epstein [6:36]: the math and this was in the late 90s santa fe institute why when you're at the top of your game on wall street do you decide to finance which was at the time randell or become the donor sponsor however you want to say it for what was considered the most cutting edge group of mathematicians in the world action— Mary Meyer [6:59]: The most cutting edge group of mathematicians in the world. Santa Fe Institute, the most cutting edge in mathematicians in the world. Why are we asking Jeffrey Epstein this right out of the gate? Mary Meyer [7:12]: These are questions to ask. Jeffery Epstein [7:14]: The Santa Fe Institute in the late 80s, early 90s, I was interested, I was on the board of Rockefeller. Mary Meyer [7:22]: I was on the board of Rockefeller. We're a minute into this. Okay, you're on the board of Rockefeller. You're involved with the leading mathematicians in the world. This automatically, we can automatically go, this isn't just a guy who did some bad things to women. We're already so far past it. Jeffery Epstein [7:41]: So that starts Rockefeller University formed by John D. Rockefeller to sort of give back to the community east side of— Mary Meyer [7:50]: Give back to the community. Here's another thing. It does seem very often that these group of people have foundations. They are under the guise of doing good work, which is another thing that predators do often. They seek positions of power and they pretend to be the ones who are doing the good work. Jeffery Epstein [8:11]: Manhattan, except it was old. It was sort of old-fashioned. They were talking about medicine, and medicine by itself was again subject to the ideas of science. Jeffery Epstein [8:22]: They were trying to use science to find cures for disease. And I said, no, we need to do something different. We need to start interdisciplinary work. In most—How did a schmuck like you get on the board of Rockefeller? Mary Meyer [8:39]: They were trying to use science to find cures for disease. And I said, we need to do something more. We need to do something different. We need to do interdisciplinary work. That probably in and of itself could also be studied. What does that mean? Mary Meyer [8:59]: Okay. So then he asks, how does someone like you, a schmuck like you get on the board of Rockefeller? Jeffery Epstein [9:06]: What year was that? I don't remember. I think 89 and 91. So that's some of the most prestigious research places in the world, correct? Yes. Okay. How did a guy like you get on the board of Rock, a blue blood, internationally known, internationally known, hard research, Nobel Prize winners all over the place? How do they pick a guy like you, a trader from or basically some guy from Bear Stearns? Good question. So I was asked to be on the board of Rockefeller. And I think it was I was on the board of Rockefeller. There was a money manager who said Rockefeller needs someone with financial expertise because the university is growing and there's lots of new things. Jeffery Epstein [9:50]: You have to again, we go back to the original discussion the last time and up until the mid 80s or sort of early mid 70s. The most important thing was your name. If you were Rockefeller, you already were considered to be brilliant. If you were head of General Motors, it was your reputation. It was who you knew, who your family was. What was your character? And then in the mid 70s, basically, if you remember, you probably had a calculator. It was very advanced in those days to have a Texas instrument calculator where it could by putting in the numbers, it would multiply for you to do square roots. Jeffery Epstein [10:28]: And that was the first and everyone who had a calculator was already advanced on Wall Street. Jeffery Epstein [10:33]: A simple almost like your account. The most important parts of business were really now going to calculations. So it's not only mathematics, but things that could be calculated. Reputation couldn't be calculated. I could give you a 10 on a reputation scale of eight. What does it mean to have a measurement of your reputation? We'll get to that later. Jeffery Epstein [10:59]: But— Mary Meyer [11:00]: Just looking at this even so far, he's, he can talk a good game. He's kind of talking in circles. He's already going to how important your reputation is. Mary Meyer [11:15]: Wouldn't everyone who is saying any good leader is going to say your reputation is important. This makes sense. What I have noticed as I've listened to this two hour recording, and I don't know that we're going to listen to all two hours of this recording and dive, just this part is such a small part of the total. This could put you to sleep. It's kind of boring. You don't look at him and there's nothing in his manner that would make you think this man is capable of stealing children and doing what he did to them. Jeffery Epstein [11:56]: People, places like Rockefeller needed someone to say, look, we are entering a different world where numbers and the numbers of companies, portfolio management was going to be balanced. It was going to be statistical. Jeffery Epstein [12:08]: Jeffrey, could you come on the board? Potentially sit on the finance committee, Nancy Kissinger and a bunch of other people. And David Rockefeller and I got along very well. He was this unbelievable human being, respectful to everyone. He introduced his driver as his colleague, not his driver. He would never say, "This is my driver." He'd say, "This is my colleague." And David started to explain— Mary Meyer [12:38]: Again, he's describing things that are really good leadership skills. He looked at everyone as an equal. It wasn't my driver, it was a colleague. There's so much in this where you can see where he's winsome enough for people to just believe him. Mary Meyer [12:59]: Not everyone who interacted with him knew what was going on. It was just easy to believe him. He's not the only predator like this in the world. Mary Meyer [13:12]: There is this thing where it's like you can't look in his eyes and see a demon. You don't see that thing. You just see this calm, gentlemanly man, and you don't know that it's bad except that we know the name is bad. Explain to me world politics. So David would say, "Jeffrey, money is going to be sort of the most important thing, 'cause people don't understand money. You seem to have this knack for money." I said to David, "Tell me about your life. What was the worst and the best part of your life?" So David said, "When I grew up, everyone knew I was a Rockefeller. They didn't know that my father told me he would not leave me a dime, no money. But every time we went out to eat, me and my five friends at school, they would leave me the bill. Jeffery Epstein [14:02]: They would expect me to pick up the check, 'cause I was a Rockefeller." And he said, "I was chairman of Chase Bank." And he said, "I remember like it was yesterday, one of the headlines in Time Magazine said, 'David, please fire yourself.'" So he thought that there was a world that existed that would be a combination of both politics and business and leadership. What do I mean? Mary Meyer [14:33]: There is a world that would exist that's a combination of politics and business and leadership, and sex trafficking. He's leaving that part out. Jeffery Epstein [14:42]: He formed something called the Trilateral Commission. The Trilateral Commission is some spooky stuff. People said it was something the Illuminati, there's some mystery about it, people that ran the world. Mary Meyer [14:56]: He founded the Trilateral Commission. How far are we in? Five minutes into this two-hour thing, and this is just an interview. David Rockefeller, this is what Epstein is saying, founded the Trilateral Commission. People say it's some spooky thing from around the world with the Illuminati or something. When he talks like that, when someone talks like that, I take it as a confession. Mary Meyer [15:25]: What he's saying is the Rockefellers said, "We're gonna have this mix of business and politics," and obviously this is the money. This is Chase Bank. He just said Chase Bank. So here we are at the leaders of the banking industry, the leaders of politics in the business world, and he's with the leading mathematicians. You see already these tentacles that are going into everything, and he just says, "Oh, it's just some spooky thing. Mary Meyer [16:00]: People think it's the Illuminati." Jeffery Epstein [16:03]: It was politicians, but David said, "Most countries, the politicians get elected for four years or eight years, separate from the royal families in England or in the Middle East. Someone's there for four years, and then they're not there anymore. Jeffery Epstein [16:19]: The most important people to have stability and consistency would be businessmen." So he formed this Trilateral Commission of businessmen and politicians from three major continents. Jeffery Epstein [16:34]: So it was the North Americans, the Europeans, and the Asians. Mary Meyer [16:39]: North Americans, European, Asian, North American, European, and Asians. Politicians are only in office for four years, so we need stability, which are going to be the businessmen to do what? Create a stability in government? What does it mean? And it's worldwide, the Trilateral Commission. People think it's a spooky thing, like Illuminati, that David Rockefeller and he, of course, he's not saying all the sex trafficking trade that's in there and the other stuff that's in the files beyond that. Mary Meyer [17:20]: It's worth a question. Jeffery Epstein [17:21]: So he said to me, "Would you like to be on the Trilateral Commission?" Now, I was thirty years old, thirty-two years old. I said, "Great." And he said, "Well, you have to fill out— Mary Meyer [17:33]: At thirty-two years old, he's on the Trilateral Commission, a worldwide organization where business and politicians work together, and probably the business people with the money choose who they're going to put in office, 'cause they're the one who have to fund the campaigns. Jeffery Epstein [17:51]: out this application so they have your bio." And I looked at the list of people, and it was Bill Clinton, former President of the United States, Paul Volcker, every great leader in America, the Asians, the Japanese. Mary Meyer [18:09]: Who's Paul Volcker? We know who Bill Clinton is. Who's that? Okay. Jeffery Epstein [18:15]: And with a very long description of their history. And they asked me to fill in what I would like to have written. And I wrote Jeffrey Epstein, comma, just a good kid, which I thought was funny. Nobody else did. In answer to your question, at that time, I recognized around the world that monies and currencies were not really well understood. But again, it was only numbers. So numbers, and I'll get to the fact that it was bad thinking. Jeffery Epstein [18:51]: Numbers are very good. Mary Meyer [18:53]: Are most people, even on the Trilateral Commission, when you meet most people, do you find most leaders financially illiterate, economically illiterate? Jeffery Epstein [19:05]: Most political leaders don't come out of a background of finance. Most political leaders come out of a background of being popular. In some of the countries, in some of the African countries, for example, they might have been a military person. They were a general. In some of the African countries, they might have been a disc jockey. Or in our country, they would have been an actor. The knowledge of money isn't, they don't have expertise. They have no degrees in finance. Jeffery Epstein [19:33]: They really, and this is one of the major problems. Their expertise, if they have any financial knowledge, is of their own checking account or bank account and filling in their own taxes. So many world leaders who don't really have a financial underpinning make fundamental errors when it comes to money on a country or institutional level. Jeffery Epstein [20:00]: Let me— Mary Meyer [20:00]: This part to me is interesting too because it really is like, yes, this is true. There's things he's saying that are absolutely true. This man is so smart, which he is. But here you got to ask questions. What are the questions we could ask? Are they taking advantage of the fact that so many elected leaders aren't going to know all the systems of money and the systems of money tend to govern all of us in about every way? So is this an avenue where Rockefellers, Illuminati can easily control governments, elected leaders because government leaders don't have a background in all these things? Mary Meyer [20:59]: It's a question. Jeffery Epstein [21:02]: Let me give you an example. If you, Mr. Bannon, if I said your assets increased last year, you'd say, well, that sounds pretty good. And I'd say, what does that mean to you? You'd say, well, I have more money. I guess I'm wealthier. I'd say yes. Jeffery Epstein [21:24]: And if your debt increased, would you feel wealthier or poorer? You'd say, well, I don't want to have increased debt. I don't like the idea of that sound increased debt. Now, world leaders understand when their assets go up, they feel better. However, institutions like banks, things that people don't really understand are financial underpinnings of banks. When I say your bank, Mr. Bannon, you have the Bannon Bank, you doubled your assets. Sounds good, but what does it really mean? Jeffery Epstein [22:08]: It means people owe you more money. You don't have any more money. What? Yeah. That's crazy. So if the bank— Mary Meyer [22:28]: A bank's assets are how much it is owed by other people. A bank's assets are how much it is owed by other people. Jeffery Epstein [22:41]: When it goes from $2 billion of assets to $10 billion, it means people owe it an additional $8 billion, but their assets have gone up. Mary Meyer [22:52]: If a bank goes from $2 billion in assets to $10 billion in assets, that means people owe them an additional $8 billion. So banks' currency is us owing them money, is what I'm hearing him say. There would be finance people who could comment on this better than I can. Jeffery Epstein [23:15]: So the terminology of assets and liabilities is different for banks. It's not natural. And what most people, and you ask questions about world leaders, as many people I think your old boss Mercer understood, there's a fundamental part of money, which is called fractionalized banking. Jeffery Epstein [23:35]: And fractionalized banking is something that finance people understand, and the people on the street would find it impossible to believe. Impossible. Why? Mary Meyer [23:52]: Fractionalized banking that people on the street would find it impossible to believe. Jeffery Epstein [23:58]: Bannon Bank, I give you $1, just one single dollar. In our system of banking, I would say, okay, Steve, I gave you a dollar. How much can you lend out to your friends? And your natural reaction would be probably something less than a dollar because I want to keep something in my pocket. The way our system works is if you as a bank are holding my dollar, you can lend out an additional eight or nine dollars. Mary Meyer [24:33]: The way our banking system works, what he's saying is if I give you a dollar, now can you loan me some money back? You'd be like, "Thirty cents maybe. I only got a dollar." But the banks, this is what he's saying, we give them a dollar and they will loan out nine dollars. They will loan money they don't have, and that seems to be the power move. Jeffery Epstein [24:59]: No, it's impossible. They only have a dollar, Jeffrey. We have something called fractionalized reserves, which is if you have one, you can lend out nine. That's the way our system works. Jeffery Epstein [25:10]: And so not only do world— Mary Meyer [25:13]: That's the way our system works. We're not even, we're at eleven minutes. This whole talk so far is on how the banking system owns governments around the world, if we read between the lines. Mary Meyer [25:26]: And how he said, "Oh, it's the Illuminati," but "Oh, it just seems like the Illuminati," but he's saying it's the Illuminati. Mary Meyer [25:33]: I recently did a Google search about what is the truth. Is there any truth in this, the Illuminati that we always hear about? And then I found the bloodlines of the Illuminati introduction on the CIA website, which I will show you in just a second. Jeffery Epstein [25:58]: Leaders not understand banking, but the man on the street, my father worked in the park department, it would be beyond his imagination that people could lend out more money than they actually had in their pocket. Mary Meyer [26:12]: Next question. Jeffery Epstein [26:12]: But— Mary Meyer [26:14]: People can... I'm gonna stop sharing this for a second. This is cia.gov\library. There's a document called Bloodlines of the Illuminati by Fritz Springmeier in nineteen ninety-five. This is a two hundred and ninety-two page book. This is not the only thing on the CIA website that references it. Mary Meyer [26:47]: So I'm like, the CIA has this on there? The Astor family. Maybe there should be a time I'll just read through this, but it's very— It seems like something that you'd read to put yourself to sleep at night. John Jacob Astor is the first one he's going through. Mary Meyer [27:14]: John Jacob Astor leaves Germany for England and America. William Blackhouse Astor, John Jacob III, the Roosevelt connection has been connected to the Delano family, which is a Black Venetian noble family that goes back for many centuries. I can't read two hundred and ninety-two pages, obviously, but it's on the CIA website. Families in the world who are allied with the Illuminati. What kind of family are allied to the top thirteen Illuminati bloodlines? The Illuminati seeks to capture the occult power of powerful occult bloodlines around the world. They have intermarried with American Indians to gain the spiritual power resident within the leading spiritual American Indians. Mary Meyer [28:00]: Various Indian reservations are used for Illuminati rituals, and they have been doing this type of things for thousands of years. Mary Meyer [28:06]: I'm just reading. I'm no expert on this. This is a document on the CIA website, and it's hard to know how much of it— I don't know. I'm not an expert in it. I'm just sharing the information. You all have to go do research on all of this stuff, and there are so many different trails to go down that it would be nice if everyone maybe took a trail, people that are just good people in the world, it would be nice if you participated to some extent in this. Paragraph two, this is page seventeen, powerful families around the world participate on different levels with the Illuminati. Some participate on a business level, such as the various crime mafia-type families around the world. Mary Meyer [28:57]: Mafia families might not subscribe to the occult philosophy, but they do recognize the power in business. Some powerful families around the world participate simply on the level that they have been sucked into the world's systems and are dependent upon going along with the flow of the world's systems. An example of this would be King of Nepal. The King of Nepal rules over poor Hindu kingdom. The British Empire has done a great job in trying to make Nepal dependent upon them. Nepal was given British protection. Mary Meyer [29:22]: Their leading families were given British education, and their leading tribe of warriors, the Gurkhas, have been serving as British mercenaries. Mary Meyer [29:31]: I think this could go on. This is the Bundy bloodline. Page nineteen. The who's who of the Bundy. Eric Bundy, Frederick McGeorge Bundy. Who are these people? More. Harvester Hollister, Eric Bundy, McGeorge Bundy, Harry Bundy, the Collins bloodline. Collins family who have been the first to be in the Astor and the Bundy family. Now we're on to the Collins family. Mary Meyer [30:09]: At some point, this is from nineteen ninety-five, so it's not even gonna go into all the things that are really the Epstein's. This looks like it's naming Playboy Magazine, presidents are in here. Mary Meyer [30:30]: Presidents Madison and Lincoln were married to Todds. Lincoln's wife, Mary Todd, was into the occult. Mary Meyer [30:38]: I'm just reading. Again, cia.gov\library\abbottabad-compound, bloodlines of the Illuminati. That is something that I will read more on, and hopefully you will too, and we can wonder together. Page forty-eight, the DuPonts, a dynasty of Satanic royalty. John Coleman, a researcher of the elite, commented to me when he had researched the Queen of Denmark and had discovered the royal Danish family was slipping away secretly from everyone, and the leaders of Freemasonry in Denmark and the Danish royal family princes had been active Masons. Mary Meyer [31:35]: John Dale wrote a book, The Prince and the Paranormal, which goes into the secret occult activities of the British royal family, especially Prince Charles, but also many other royal family members too. Like I said, this is more than just a little thing that Jeffrey Epstein did, just these little bad things and now he's dead. There is some documentation that would question whether he actually even is dead. Mary Meyer [32:11]: In the hours that I've tried to just go through and prepare for what do you even begin to say, there's so much that you can barely even— You do a little scratch like we did in ten minutes with Jeffrey Epstein, and we have now thousands of hours of things we could study to figure out what is truth. It seems questionable that the government's going to do that for us or that news coverage is gonna do that for us. Why not the news? Because who owns them seems to be tied in with this. It's the money that runs the world, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds. Mary Meyer [33:01]: I'm still scrolling through this book, a two hundred and ninety-two page book of bloodlines of the Illuminati. Page sixty-two is the Freeman bloodline. The amazing thing about this family is not that it's a family that people would have thought as of being one of the top thirteen. For me, as a researcher of the elite and Satanic hierarchy, the name pops up with surprising frequency. Stephen M. Freeman runs the Legal Affairs Department of the Civil Rights Division of the Anti-Defamation League, which is a daughter of the B'nai B'rith. The ADL is a dangerous organization controlled by the hierarchy. Mary Meyer [33:41]: The Illuminati drug money to fund the organization. Another Freeman is Walter Freeman, who introduced the lobotomy into the US with James W. Watts in nineteen thirty-six. The frontal lobotomy was a brutal method of mind control that has been permitted to be done on us under the disguise that it is of benefit to humanity. Mary Meyer [33:59]: Then there is Simon Freeman, an important intelligence officer, and the list goes on of other people that are key in places in the Freeman name. Again, cia.gov\library\abbottabad/compound is where I'm reading this from. If you're saying, "Do I believe this? What do I know?" I'm just sharing information at this point. I don't know how we can— Mary Meyer [34:40]: I'm not an expert on this any more than you are. I'm just asking questions. Page sixty-seven, Illuminati and Satanism. Again, this is written in nineteen ninety-five. However, I have been able to identify one Freeman in the Illuminati. He was Minnesota's Governor Orville Freeman, who appointed Walter Mondale to the position of Attorney General when Walter was just thirty-two years old. Walter Mondale later enjoyed the status of being the only US senator on the Trilateral Commission. Mary Meyer [35:20]: There's the Trilateral Commission again. Mary Meyer [35:24]: Walter Mondale went on to serve the Illuminati as US Vice President, and Orville Freeman was appointed as a cabinet member for Kennedy's and then Johnson's administration. Another Freeman is listed on secret membership lists as joining the Order of Skull and Bones in eighteen sixty-nine. See his picture, which is reproduced. Don Freeman wrote books on witches, including Space, Space Witch and Tilly Witch. Another Freeman was instrumental in the O.T.O., O period T period O period, being set up. For those who know about the O.T.O. I've mentioned in the past, it is a hermetic magic and Satanism. Right here in Oregon, we have been watching more some Freemans because it appears that there are some Satanic coven, coven members here in Oregon who are Freemans. Again, reading this from cia.gov\library\abbottabad/compound. Reading this again from the CIA website. Mary Meyer [36:28]: Here to help us, more on the Freemans. More on the Freemans. The Kennedy family. This is page seventy-one of this. To be a researcher and to be informed that the Kemeny-Kennedy family is in the top thirteen Illuminati families is akin to being told a needle is in a haystack. Someone had estimated that there are two hundred thousand Kennedys in the United States, and on a list of the most populous surnames in of Ireland in eighteen ninety, Kennedy ranked seventeenth, and a recent book listed it as sixteenth, the most common today. Fortunately, there is information that allows me to identify at least part of the Satanic Kennedys from the rest of the Kennedys, and you will learn some of this later in the article. Again, I'm just reading. For the first time. I'm reading this for the first time. The Kennedy ties to other elite families. Again, the ties between the various Illuminati families is very involved in a long unraveling process, similar to untying a set of bad knots confronts the researcher. This was written in nineteen ninety-five. The Kennedys that we will look at closest, at are the F Fitzpatricks, a powerful Irish family with a coat of arms, has three florally... I don't know how to say florally. With a dragon and a lion. The Fitzpatricks may tie back to France, and they may be part of the Sang Royal, Sang Royal, Sang Royal. Mary Meyer [37:51]: I'm saying that wrong. Is a term used in older manuscripts, which can mean both royal bloodline and Holy Grail. Jackie Bever I'm saying that wrong too, Kennedy Onassis, who married John F. Kennedy, was tied to the, oh my goodness, Auchincloss via her sister's marriage into the, A-U-C-H-I-N-C-L-O-S-S, Au-Auchincloss family. The Auchinclosses are a Scottish bloodline of the Illuminati. Mary Meyer [38:39]: Five instance four instance, Hugh D. Auchincloss, sir, married Emma Brewster Jennings, daughter of Oliver B. Jennings, who co-founded Standard Oil with John D. Rockefeller. Standard Oil. As for the numerous Kennedy intermarriages with notable names, for instance, Burnett Shafer Kennedy, seventeen ninety-eight through eighteen seventy-eight, married Phoebe Freeman in eighteen twenty. But then the question arises, were either of these people secretly part of the occult? Andrew Kennedy married Margaret Penny Hatfield in eighteen twenty-four to nineteen eighty-nine. That doesn't seem... That's way too long. The Andrew Kennedy family is allied with the Hatfield, Bailey, Collins, and Mullins families. Again, a person is confronted with a great deal of clues, but precious little time and resources to try to follow up on these numerous leads. Page seventy-one, I'm not even reading the rest of it. Some of this is gonna like, how do you even begin? How do we even begin? Marilyn Monroe. This is interesting. Okay, again, this is written in... published in nineteen ninety-five. It's on cia.gov/library/abbot about-compound. Anton LaVey knew how to be a showman. He took Marilyn Monroe, helped her with her acting and with her connections, helped her to get a chance to act. John F. Kennedy had a long-term relationship with Marilyn Monroe. When JFK was elected at the convention to be the presidential candidate, the Kennedys threw a party at the convention. Mary Meyer [40:10]: The party was described this way. Every delegate at the convention was provided by the Kennedys group with anything they wanted for their entertainment, including liquor and women sent to the room. JFK spent the time at the convention and the next day afterwards making love with Marilyn Monroe. After his acceptance speech, the whole group went over to his close friend Peter Lawford's for a skinny-dipping party. Peter Lawford, Frank Sinatra, and Sammy Davis Jr. were close friends to each other and to John F. Kennedy. Sammy Davis Jr. became a manager of the Church of Satan after LaVey started it. From the middle of nineteen fifty-five to the end of nineteen fifty-five, JFK had a suite on the eighth floor of Washington's Mayflower Hotel set aside for his extramarital affairs. That's an FDA file, apparently. Okay. Good Lord. There's a poem by Jackie, revisiting the top thirteen. I'm just gonna scroll through here for a second and see if I can find the next thing for us. There's the Li family, the L-I Li family. This is on page eighty-three, published in nineteen ninety-five by Fritz Springmeier, cia.gov. In the writing about the Li family and the Chinese secret societies, I am like the man who wakes up in the middle of the night while everyone else sleeps and then gropes around in the darkness trying to feel his way. I can share with you what I've learned, and undoubtedly, there is a great deal more that can be learned. When the year started, I knew only a little bit about the Li family, and that only from what I had learned. I didn't even know how to spell their name right. It was spelling it L-E-E. Actually, the Li family name is spelled L-E-E in some areas, such as Hokien, Teochew, Singapore, and by some Chinese Americans. Because I knew so little about this family, it was one of the primary areas, areas of focus of what I was doing. Okay. How... And then it goes into how, how these people, Li met Mao. Closer look of the Illuminati family in Hong Kong. The rest of the Li Hong Kong clan. Triad leaders of the family. There's bibliographies, newspapers. I'm on page ninety now of this. Again, doing a very, very fast look through this book. Page ninety-two, Triad Rituals. Triad rituals were an elaborate affair but have continued to be streamlined over the years. The ritual initiation drew from three religious sources, Taoism, Buddhism, and what we might be called Confucianism. Mary Meyer [43:11]: Taoism emphasized the importance of blood ancestry, of magic and alchemy. The traditional initiation also lasts about eight hours and includes ritual dance, secret handshakes, a blood sacrifice, and pricking the finger of new initiates. The Triads have an extremely long history and a long heritage. In order to try to cap capsulize what they are, one has to look at what they are doing in a particular moment. At times, they are a secret fraternity like the Masons. At other times, they have more appearance of a revolutionary army, and other times they look like the mafia. They are all these things, and so they are a much more complex group to understand than some of the other secret societies that might fit into a nice label. Sometimes their services as hitmen are hired out to others. Their heritage and history makes them almost a subculture in a subculture that is difficult for law enforcement agencies to penetrate. Their blood oath and traditions bind them together. Okay. Ag this is written, again, published thirty years ago. Thirty years ago? Almost thirty years ago. So we're talking about things that have been going on a long time, and they are referencing things going back for quite a long time, hundreds of years anyway. Page ninety-seven, the, the Onassis bloodline. O-N-A-S-S-I-S, the Onassis bloodline. Again, this is on the cia.gov website, Bloodlines of the Illuminati by Fritz Springmeier, nineteen ninety-five. I'm just sharing it, not giving anything except for reading it, and you all are adults and try to just... It just, to me, it what it means is there's a lot more that we need to dive into and understand versus these really simplistic, conclusions that we've come to. And also, it is overwhelming, for sure, to try to, as a human, a regular human who doesn't have access to all kinds of, ability to track this stuff and understand it at the level where they're, where they're controlling the world, what do we do with it? Mary Meyer [45:05]: These are questions that are hard to answer, and certainly I don't know who, who can answer it. There, there's gonna be opinions, right? You know, at the end of the day, it's gonna be I feel like we're gonna get smaller. We're gonna trust the people we know more. We're going to trust, the official story less. We're going to realize that, people who are calm and in control aren't necessarily good people. We're gonna have to realize that, in my... This is my opinion. Left versus right is more of an illusion than anything because the people that have the money are funding both sides. So the actual control, it just it feels like more of an illusion of... And, and we think it's the President of the United States that has all the control. That's not what we're hearing, from Jeff-Jeffrey Epstein. He basically says, "Yeah, they don't... All these leaders, they don't know much. They don't understand the money." Mary Meyer [46:35]: So it seems like there's another layer of who is running the world. And it seems like, obviously, it is the people with the money. So it is the people who run the banks. And if, if the people who run the banks are also involved in blackmail and sex trafficking, and then they have kompromat on all these leaders, and then they also are the people who own the money systems and control the money systems, then it seems like they can control everything. It seems like it. Again, I'm just reading stuff and looking at stuff. I'm trying to ask questions. I'm trying to be careful to not jump to conclusions. But it is difficult to not jump to conclusions when there is so much that is connected. So more and more now connections into Europe, Aristotle's friends, evidence of conspiracy. Howard Hughes, a self-made millionaire and genius. Howard Hughes was not part of the system, so he was fair game to destroy. Even millionaires like Hughes and Hunt brothers have to toe the line, or they can be taken out by the Illuminati. This doesn't mean Howard Hughes was virtuous. Howard Hughes gave Nixon's brother Donald a quarter million dollar loan in nineteen fifty-six in order to continue having vice pres-Nixon in his pocket. Hughes has been a supporter of Nixon for many years. So, keeps getting more interesting, don't you think? The Rockefeller bloodline, page one o five. One of the thirteen satanic bloodlines, we just heard Jeffrey Epstein, being on the board of the Rockefellers. One of the thirteen satanic bloodlines that rule the world, there is a Rockefeller bloodline. Today, there are around a hundred and ninety members of the bloo of the family. Now, today was nineteen ninety-five. This is written by Fritz Springmeier, Bloodlines of the Illuminati on the cia.gov website, which is why I'm reading it. The Rockefeller bloodline. One of the thirteen satanic bloodlines that rule the world today is a Rockefeller bloodline. Today, there are around a hundred and ninety members of this family with a Rockefeller name, and of course, some others by other last names. The article is to explore further for those who want to investigate the Illuminati, how the Rockefeller bloodline is involved in the promotion of occult and Satanism, and how they are involved in the control of the Christian denominations. Interesting. This article keys in on just one family, the Rockefellers. To understand the full extent of the Illuminati's control of religion, including Christiandom, would require, perhaps several books. Mary Meyer [50:02]: The Illuminati itself draws its lifeblood from around five hundred very powerful families worldwide. This article will not att This article, this two hundred and ninety-two-page article they're talking about, looks like a book. This article will not attempt to explain their networks and the many organizations of the Illuminati. It will not even try to do this for the Rockefellers. In fact, no one knows how many trusts and foundations the Rockefellers have. No one knows how many trusts and foundations the Rockefellers have. They have hidden trusts within secret trusts within secret trusts. They have hidden trusts within secret trusts within secret trusts, the Rockefellers. It is estimated that they have between two hundred and several thousand trusts and foundations. The finances of the Rockefellers are so well-covered that Nelson Rockefeller did not pay one cent in income taxes in nineteen seventy, yet he was perhaps the richest man in the US. The Rockefellers exert enormous influence over religion in this nation in the following ways. One, they provide a large share of money that seminaries in the United States need to operate. Two, they provide a large share of money that universities need to operate. Three, they provide much of the money that missionaries depend upon. Four, they provide the money that publications depend upon. Mary Meyer [52:05]: Interesting, right? The Rockefellers have been instrumental in controlling the conservative churches, as well as controlling the liberal churches. Rockefeller supported Billy Graham, and also supported the National Council of Churches. They have controlled the churches on both sides. So, this goes back to that idea. It's like, left versus right is, in my opinion, an illusion because it's the same people behind it. The Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, all these people. Again, this is written by Fritz Springmeier, and it is on the CIA website, and I'm just sharing it. It's in this Bloodlines of the Illuminati. So it goes on and on about the Rockefellers. It goes into the, the Rothschilds. It goes into the Rockefellers. It goes into the Kennedys. It goes into the DuPonts. It goes into all these different people. The Russells. The Van Duyns. The Windsors. The Zoroastrian bloodline. The Zionist bloodline. All of it. So I'm just scrolling through this and I'm thinking, why is this on the CIA website? And why is it that we are not talking about it? Why is it that we don't have more people who are digging into this? And then why is it that, you know, Jeffrey Epstein is on the board of Rockefeller, and then he is also connected to all these other people, and then he's connected to all these politicians, and then he is connected to all these scientists, and then he is connected to all these mathematicians, and then he is connected to all these people who are doing human cloning and genetics and all these things. So I don't know. It just seems like something worth looking at. It's worth asking questions. Mary Meyer [55:10]: And it seems like we are tired. It seems like we are overwhelmed. It seems like we are distracted. It seems like we have been kept in a state of being divided. It seems like we are constantly being pulled into the drama of left versus right and who do we vote for and all these different things, when really what is being controlled is the money. It's being controlled by the banking system. And then the banking system, if they can control the money, they can control everything. And then if they also have blackmail and kompromat on leaders, then they can control them. So it seems like a system of control that is worldwide. Again, I'm just asking questions. I'm just reading. I'm just trying to share information. I'm not telling you what to think. I'm telling you what I'm seeing and what I'm reading and what I'm hearing. Mary Meyer [57:22]: So, going back to this interview, the Santa Fe Institute, the Rockefellers, the Trilateral Commission, all these things. It seems like it's a web. And then it's like, okay, if Jeffrey Epstein was involved in this, and then he was involved in sex trafficking, and then he was involved in blackmail, then it seems like the sex trafficking and the blackmail is not separate from the money and the power. It seems like it's part of the same thing. So what do we do with that? How do we live our lives? How do we stay healthy, happy, wise, and wealthy in a world where this is going on? I don't know. But I do think it's important that we look at it. I do think it's important that we ask questions. I do think it's important that we stop being distracted by the surface-level narratives and start looking at the deeper systems. So that's what we're doing here. We're just looking at it. We're just asking questions. We're just trying to figure it out. Mary Meyer [60:08]: And I'm going to keep doing this. I'm going to keep doing episodes where we look at this stuff, and we look at the Epstein files, and we look at what is on government websites, and we look at what is being shared, and we look at what is being hidden. And we try to, as regular people, figure out what to do with it. Because it is overwhelming. It is a lot. But I do think it matters. And I do think, if the United States is the epicenter of a lot of this stuff, then we have a responsibility to look at it. We have a responsibility to not just say, "Oh, it's too much, I'm too tired, I don't want to deal with it." Because if we don't deal with it, it continues. And if it continues, then it continues to harm people. It continues to harm children. It continues to harm women. It continues to harm men. It continues to harm everyone. So we have to look at it. We have to ask questions. We have to do what we can, even if it's just learning. Even if it's just being informed. Even if it's just not being fooled. Mary Meyer [62:36]: So if he is, has, put... Especially he's so interested in mathematics, in funding different, things also related to genetics and the mathematical part of that. That'll be another episode. I've looked at... Again, there's so much in this, and it's just me, and it's just you, and we're just trying to let go what does this mean to us, and I think it means a lot, like more than we want to admit. I do think it's just very important that we understand. So if he says there's some how do we quantify reputation, there's probably... Maybe there's more in it than just maybe this is an actual thing that they look at. Jeffery Epstein [66:03]: Measurement of your reputation. We'll get to that later. But people, places like Rockefeller needed someone to say, "Look, we're entering a different world where numbers and the numbers of companies, portfolio management was going to be balanced. It was gonna be statistical. Jeffrey, could you come on the board, potentially sit on the finance committee?" Nancy Kissinger and a bunch of other people. And David Rockefeller and I got along very well. He was just he was this unbelievable human being, respectful to everyone. He introduced his driver as his colleague, not his driver. He would never say, "This is my driver." He'd say, "This is my colleague." And David started to explain to me world politics. So David would say, Jeffrey, money is going to be sort of the most important thing. People don't understand money. You seem to have this knack for money. I said to David, tell me about your life. What was the worst and the best part of your life? Jeffery Epstein [67:25]: So David said, when I grew up, everyone knew I was a Rockefeller. They didn't know that my father told me he would not leave me a dime. No money. But every time we went out to eat, me and my five friends in school, they would make expect me to pick up the check because I was a Rockefeller. And he said, I was chairman of Chase Bank. And he said, I remember like it was yesterday, one of the headlines in Time Magazine said, David, please fire yourself. So he thought that there was a world that existed that would be a combination of both politics and business and leadership. What do I mean? He formed something called the Trilateral Commission. Mary Meyer [66:32]: Nancy Kissinger, David Rockefeller So we just, we just read that multiple personality disorders are part of people that are part of the Illuminati bloodlines and Rockefeller's part of them. So I don't know. It's a good little sob story to get people on your side. Again, Rockefeller's chairman at Chase Bank. Rockefeller's listed in this Illuminati satanic cult. Okay. So again, in line with like the people who own the money here are the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the banking execs, the J.P. Morgans, Chase Bank, the people who are listed as being in this satanic worship, if that's accurate. They're saying that they didn't work hard to get the money. They just understood that the money is a faction of what people owe them. So it's our hard work is their power is what I'm hearing. Jeffery Epstein [75:08]: So if the bank goes from a $2 billion of assets to $10 billion, it means people owe it an additional $8 billion, but their assets have gone up. So the terminology of assets and liabilities is different for banks. It's not natural. And what most people, and you ask questions about world leaders, as many people I think your old boss Mercer understood, there's a fundamental part of money, which is called fractionalized banking. And fractionalized banking is something that finance people understand, and the people on the street, and when I say people on the street, that's where I was when I started on Wall Street, would find it impossible to believe. Impossible. Why? Bannon Bank, I give you $1. Just one single dollar. In our system of banking, I would say, okay, Steve, I gave you a dollar. How much can you lend out to your friends? And your natural reaction would be probably something less than a dollar because I want to keep something in my pocket. Jeffery Epstein [76:23]: The way our system works is if you as a bank are holding my dollar, you can lend out an additional $8 or $9. No, it's impossible. I only have a dollar, Jeffrey. We have something called fractionalized reserves, which is if you have one, you can lend out nine. That's the way our system works. And Mary Meyer [76:47]: That's the way our system works. So again, our system is Rockefeller leading the banks. This is a system that Our system is not our system. That's all I'm going to take away from that. Jeffery Epstein [77:07]: So not only do world leaders not understand banking, but the man on the street, my father worked in the park department, it would be beyond his imagination that people could lend out more money than they actually had in their pocket. Next question. Mary Meyer [77:23]: Pretty easy way to control. So, all right. We're going to look up more next time. This has been going quite a long time already. So we're going to do a few of these this month and just look into different things regarding I know I put in a few of my opinions on this, but what we have right here is stuff that our government has on their websites that they've given us that we're just not taking the time to look at, overwhelmed, don't feel like it's relevant, or whatever reason. I think it's very important since the United States is the epicenter of all this stuff that we as its citizens have a responsibility to do some looking at it. And we have to do it in a way where we can still function and not be completely destroyed by it. But we have to do it. So, all right. I'll see you next time. Thanks for joining us. New episodes of Healthy, Happy, Wise, Wealthy with fabulous guests drop every Thursday. Also, you can follow our socials at Healthy, Happy, Wise, Wealthy on Instagram, Facebook, or TikTok. You can watch episodes on YouTube at the Good Pod Community. And in all these places, please like, follow, and subscribe. See you next time.