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Dr. Bernard Beitman – Life Changing Synchronicities · Destination Unlimited with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: My name is Victor Furman. Some call me the Voice.
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Speaker 1: I've always been fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science and
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Speaker 1: the crossroads at which they meet. Join me now and
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Speaker 1: we will explore these topics and so much more with
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Speaker 1: fascinating guests, authors and experts who will guide us to
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Speaker 1: Destination unlimited. Many of us have experienced coincidence and synchronicity,
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Speaker 1: but when a medical doctor, the former chairman of the
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Speaker 1: psychiatry department of a major university medical school, recognizes these experiences,
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Speaker 1: they become meaningful coincidences. Returning to Destination unlimited. This week,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bernard Beikman clarifies the relationship between synchronicity and serendipity
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Speaker 1: and dissects the anatomy of coincidence. He is the first
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Speaker 1: psychiatrist since Carl Jung to systematize the study of coincidences.
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Speaker 1: He's the author of the groundbreaking book Meaningful Coincidences, How
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Speaker 1: and Why Synchronicity and Serendipity Happen. His website is coincider
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Speaker 1: dot com, and he joins me this week to share
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Speaker 1: his work and new book written from his personal synchronosity experience,
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Speaker 1: Life changing Synchronicities, A doctor's journey of coincidence and serendipity.
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Speaker 1: Please join me in welcoming back to Destination Unlimited. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Bernard Bidman, Welcome back, Bernie.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Victor the Voice.
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Speaker 1: The last time you joined us was in twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: two on the publication of your groundbreaking and best selling
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Speaker 1: book Meaningful Coincidences, How and Why Synchronicity and Serendipity Happen.
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Speaker 1: For our listeners meeting you for the first time, please
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Speaker 1: share your early path and the events that led you
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Speaker 1: to investigate this phenomenon.
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Speaker 2: Well, that book you just mentioned, Meaningful Coincidences, is a
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Speaker 2: definitive statement about the whole field of synchronicity, attempting to
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Speaker 2: take a step towards making it more scientific as well
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Speaker 2: as more usable by people who read it. And I
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Speaker 2: got to that because I've had a lot of meaningful
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Speaker 2: coincidences in my life, and by meaningful coincidences I include
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Speaker 2: synchronicity and serendipity, among others. And I've had a lot
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Speaker 2: of those, and the book delineates retells the one I'm
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Speaker 2: talking about now today with you, called The Life Changing Synchronicities.
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Speaker 2: It's a kind of biography or autobiography about my synchronicity experiences.
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Speaker 2: And the most telling one was the first one because
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Speaker 2: it had the most impact on me, and it was
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Speaker 2: involved my dog, Snapper, and briefly, Snapper got lost. I mean,
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Speaker 2: he wasn't home when I got home and on my bike,
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Speaker 2: my mother said, go to the police station, see if
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Speaker 2: you could find him. They didn't know where he was,
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Speaker 2: and I was crying so much. I took the wrong
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Speaker 2: way home and ran into Snapper. And I needed that
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Speaker 2: puppy really badly because he was my only good friend,
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Speaker 2: my best friend. And I just went home and I
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Speaker 2: found him by getting lost. And that's a key part
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Speaker 2: of what I'm trying to tell people and the current
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Speaker 2: book Life changing Synchronicities, is getting lost, or generally speaking,
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Speaker 2: doing something out of the ordinary is a good way
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Speaker 2: to increase meaningful coincidences in your life.
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Speaker 1: In addition to that experience with your dog, was there
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Speaker 1: a synchronicity later on as you were starting to get
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Speaker 1: into your career that became an AHA moment for you?
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Speaker 2: Did you read the book?
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Speaker 1: Yes, the book is a moment, but was there a
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Speaker 1: specific one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm more curious about what you had in mind.
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Speaker 1: There are several there are several episodes that you discuss,
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Speaker 1: and perhaps one of them is the fact that we
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Speaker 1: can have the human GPS.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the human GPS, just like the GPS in
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Speaker 2: the car can get us to where we need to
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Speaker 2: be without knowing how we got there. We don't know
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Speaker 2: how the GPS works. I didn't know how to find Snapper,
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Speaker 2: but I found him. And it wasn't just me finding Snapper,
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Speaker 2: he found me. Dogs can get find their masters and
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Speaker 2: mistresses in strange ways, just like birds can find their
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Speaker 2: nesting places and salmon can swim upstream after being a
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Speaker 2: way out in the ocean. Human beings had that same
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Speaker 2: capacity to be able to get to where they need
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Speaker 2: to be without necessarily consciously figuring out how to do it.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I've had experiences where I've had knowledge come
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Speaker 1: to me without any study or source of that knowledge
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Speaker 1: and helped me through situations.
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Speaker 2: You give us an example, Victor.
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Speaker 1: I was working on a piece of equipment, a welding
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Speaker 1: equipment back in my days when I was in the
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Speaker 1: welding industry, had never looked at that piece of equipment before,
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Speaker 1: never opened it up, did not have a schematic for it,
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Speaker 1: but I knew I just knew which component needed to
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Speaker 1: be replaced, Yes, and and it worked.
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Speaker 2: And how do you how do you think about that, victor?
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Speaker 1: Uh, that knowledge was coming from somewhere.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we can talk about where that somewhere is.
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Speaker 2: And everybody has their own opinion, and some opinions overlap,
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Speaker 2: but what the important thing is that you needed the information, victory.
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Speaker 2: That's what's it starts with. Its need is a primary
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Speaker 2: driver of creating meaningful coincidences. Because when you're needy, you're
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Speaker 2: looking around. It's also when you're curious. It's a different
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Speaker 2: form of looking around, it's still the same idea. As
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Speaker 2: you get more alert to your environment. And in this case,
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Speaker 2: and you're case with that piece of machinery, I'm going
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Speaker 2: to guess that you had an ability, a kind of
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Speaker 2: X ray ability to understand that machine in a way
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Speaker 2: that you hadn't learned but could imagine it, just like
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Speaker 2: somebody who was working with firefighters can tell the firefighters
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Speaker 2: you're not finished yet, there's somebody on the third floor
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Speaker 2: that's locked in. You've got to go there. It's a
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Speaker 2: kind of clairvoyance. It's yours as a kind of clairvoyance
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Speaker 2: in looking into the machine without knowing you're doing it
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Speaker 2: and being able to see what's missing. And when you
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Speaker 2: have a need and you believe in yourself somewhat you
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Speaker 2: can fulfill it in the way you just did.
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Speaker 1: By the same token, that knowledge could be out there
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Speaker 1: because there are others who were engineers who had done
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Speaker 1: this work before, who had developed this work, and perhaps
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Speaker 1: I was tapping into that current of information.
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Speaker 2: I hope, I hope. I'm glad to bring that up,
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Speaker 2: because that's very, very important that our minds are not
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Speaker 2: isolated in our brain. Our minds are connected in what
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Speaker 2: I call the psychosphere or more specifically, the collective human mind,
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Speaker 2: and that information that you were seeking is probably there too. However,
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Speaker 2: you needed to have a receptor in your own mind
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Speaker 2: to be able to recognize the schematic drawing that was
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Speaker 2: that you ran across, so it still required some knowledge
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Speaker 2: on your on your side of generally what the problem was,
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Speaker 2: so that when you saw the answer, you can see
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Speaker 2: where it fit. And the answer could easily come from
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Speaker 2: going out into the into the psychosphere or our collective
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Speaker 2: human mind and finning it. And that's the fun part
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Speaker 2: of this is how does the beam of your need
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Speaker 2: find the answer out there? In the collective human mind.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you another sharing. I don't think
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Speaker 1: I shared that with this with you the last time
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Speaker 1: we spoke. But in nineteen seventy five, I was in
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Speaker 1: the Air Force. I was stationed in Soul, Korea, and
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Speaker 1: one morning I woke up and I had a voice
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Speaker 1: in my head saying, you need to call your mother.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: I had communicated with her by letters every month. There
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Speaker 1: was no indication that anything was wrong, but I had
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Speaker 1: learned to listen to that voice whenever that voice would
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Speaker 1: come through. So consequently, I called my mother six thousand
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Speaker 1: miles away back in New York. And if you recall,
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Speaker 1: in those days, we had wired telephones with extensions, and
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Speaker 1: my mother and my sister simultaneously picked up the phone
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Speaker 1: and I said, Mom, is there anything wrong? And my
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Speaker 1: sister exclaimed, ah, oh my god, how did he find out?
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Speaker 1: And it turned out that she was scheduled for major
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Speaker 1: surgery the next day. And the voice told me to
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Speaker 1: tell her that she would have a complete and quick recovery,
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Speaker 1: that everything would be just fine. She needed to hear
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Speaker 1: those words from me, and she did have a complete recovery,
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Speaker 1: and everything turned out to be just fine. And my
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Speaker 1: sharing of that information was something that really reinforced it
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Speaker 1: for her and made her feel much better.
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Speaker 2: And I did to think about it.
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Speaker 1: How it happened, How did it happen? Where is that
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Speaker 1: source six thousand miles away? How did I connect to her?
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Speaker 2: And how do you answer that? Victor?
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Speaker 1: And my answer through my experience is that we have this. Well,
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Speaker 1: if you want to look at quantum physics, they talk
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Speaker 1: about quantum non locality and quantum entanglement. Where my mind
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Speaker 1: was right next to her when she was going through
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Speaker 1: these worries about her surgery, and I was able to
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Speaker 1: pick up that on that information and respond accordingly.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I like asking people their explanations because
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Speaker 2: I don't like arguing with people about how they explain
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Speaker 2: these things. That's that's the way you see it, and
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Speaker 2: you believe it, and that's common what you just said
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Speaker 2: about quantum. The main problem with quantum is the idea
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Speaker 2: of a famous quantum physicists who said, if you if
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Speaker 2: you know quantum physics, you really don't understand.
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Speaker 1: I don't claim to be a physicist nor have a
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Speaker 1: deep understanding of it other than what I've learned about
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Speaker 1: quantum nonlocality, and quantum entanglement, and what would you say
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Speaker 1: my experience was about where would you say it's them from?
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Speaker 2: Well, in my book you saw something similar, I hope,
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Speaker 2: involving me and my father. It was I was choking uncontrollably,
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Speaker 2: and then I found out the next day, at the
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Speaker 2: same time, three thousand miles away, my father was choking uncontrollably,
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Speaker 2: bleeding into his own throat and dying, choking on his
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Speaker 2: own blood. So I could pick up what was going
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Speaker 2: on with him three thousand miles a.
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Speaker 1: Well, But again from a source standpoint, if we don't
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Speaker 1: look at the quantum explanation, what would you.
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Speaker 2: Say, pick what you want. I think the quantum is
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Speaker 2: another way of saying we don't know, because that's what
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Speaker 2: I was trying to say, is that quantum physics is
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Speaker 2: really complicated, and this entanglement thing is you were trying
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Speaker 2: to make sense out of it. But the entanglement involves
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Speaker 2: very very tiny particles. Electrons are photons, and in the
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Speaker 2: laboratory they can make them entangled, and it's really a
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Speaker 2: lot of work to make on these things. Make to
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Speaker 2: make two electrons or two photons entangled, it's a lot
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Speaker 2: of work, a lot of different steps to go through
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Speaker 2: and then separate the two of them by as many
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Speaker 2: miles as you can make them, and then reverse the
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Speaker 2: spin on one of them, and the other one will
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Speaker 2: also spin. The reverse will do a reverse spin. Okay,
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Speaker 2: that's a very small, very small world, a microworld we're
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Speaker 2: talking about. They've gotten I think last I heard where
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Speaker 2: they can do a boron molecule and pair them and
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Speaker 2: get them entangled. But your body and your mother's body
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Speaker 2: a little bigger than a boron molecule. So what's the
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Speaker 2: entanglement becomes a metaphor. The word entanglement is used in
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Speaker 2: families where everybody's entangled. They're all in each other's business.
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Speaker 2: It's a family therapy idea that their emotional lives get
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Speaker 2: connected with each other. And that's more what I'm thinking about.
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Speaker 2: I'd rather stay here on earth and stay with the
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Speaker 2: explanations that are in front of us. And what's in
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Speaker 2: front of us is that we can be emotionally bonded
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Speaker 2: to people. And the research shows, particularly by Ian Stevenson
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Speaker 2: here at the University of Virginia, that people who are
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Speaker 2: closely connected it's usually like a parent and a child,
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Speaker 2: but it can be good friends experience these soymopathety events
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Speaker 2: in different ways. You heard it, You heard the voice,
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Speaker 2: and the kid said different. Thing about your voice is
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Speaker 2: that it said everything was going to be all right,
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Speaker 2: which is not the usual variation. It's usually calling something
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Speaker 2: wrong with mom. That's the more standard one, and you
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Speaker 2: pick it up because you emotionally entangle, if you will,
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Speaker 2: with your mother. But I prefer connection that you're deeply
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Speaker 2: involved with each other, and that allows for communication across
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Speaker 2: time and space in a way that we can call
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Speaker 2: non local, but not in the way that quantum physics
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Speaker 2: means non local. It's more like we're at a distance
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Speaker 2: from each other and there's still a connection. And that connection,
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Speaker 2: I say it takes place in our mental atmosphere, the psychosphere,
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Speaker 2: and it's through the psychosphere that those connections are built,
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Speaker 2: and then when communication is needed, those connections carry the information.
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Speaker 1: Tell us a little more about the psychosphere. What is
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Speaker 1: the psychosphere.
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Speaker 2: Our mental atmosphere. It's the place, if they place in
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Speaker 2: which telepathy and emotional information and visions and perhaps contact
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Speaker 2: with non living beings like our deceased parents, through which
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Speaker 2: we can make communications that are not usually understood in
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Speaker 2: conventional ways, and the psychosphere is to be related to
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Speaker 2: several other around out there. It's another sphere or atmosphere
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Speaker 2: like our air atmosphere. It surrounds us, and it's in us.
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Speaker 2: There's also something more documented by science called the noosphere.
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Speaker 2: And then osphere is like a meaning sphere, and it's
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Speaker 2: more like the left brain of each us. It's more rational,
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Speaker 2: more or less emotional. It's it's the Internet, it's transportation systems, airplanes,
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Speaker 2: trains and trucks, other communication forms. It's where science continues
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Speaker 2: to make discoveries that are conventionally understood in conventional scientific terms.
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Speaker 2: And then nosphere has been around for a while since
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Speaker 2: Tilhard shared down in. One of his colleagues identified it,
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Speaker 2: and now it's being rigorously examined. However, they don't do
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Speaker 2: emotion in there, they don't do intuition in there, they
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Speaker 2: don't don't do lepathy in the in the noosphere. The
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Speaker 2: psychosphere is an earlier development than the noosphere, which is
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Speaker 2: more developed by people inventing things. The psychosphere has been
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Speaker 2: around before the nosphere, and it's ways in which indigenous
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Speaker 2: people have communicated with each other without having to speak
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Speaker 2: and without having to send other ways of signaling each other.
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Speaker 2: But they can know when somebody who's who's when out
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Speaker 2: hunting is coming back, or somebody who is lost, know
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Speaker 2: when that person where that person is and be able
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Speaker 2: to find that person.
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Speaker 1: Is that similar to the way that your dog communicated
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Speaker 1: with you? So the communication kind of exists between humans
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Speaker 1: and non humans and animals, the animal kingdom and so on.
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Speaker 2: Why does that surprise you?
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Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. I'm not saying that. I'm just just
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Speaker 1: asking you to concur with it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, not only the animal kingdom, but the plant continuum.
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Speaker 2: Trees are our people, our entities that I communicate with.
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Speaker 2: And I also have had contact with people who have
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Speaker 2: died who have communicated to me information about a loved
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Speaker 2: one of his that I was that I knew very well.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting. When my mother was transitioning in January of
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, I was at her bedside, I was holding
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Speaker 1: her hand and she was unconscious, and I started seeing
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Speaker 1: this vision of circles and rings, these circles and rings,
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Speaker 1: and she passed and a few weeks later this poem
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Speaker 1: came through me that I believe she inspired. And the
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Speaker 1: poem is called Circles and Rings and it says the
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Speaker 1: path of great beauty and so many things, from atoms
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Speaker 1: to galaxies, circles and rings, natural wisdom that dwells there
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Speaker 1: within from not to three sixty, that magical spin. We
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Speaker 1: circle each other in gravity's dance, as Gaya circle soul,
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Speaker 1: the solar romance, as Luna circles us in life giving motion,
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Speaker 1: drawing the tides and inner emotion. And the age of
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Speaker 1: the oak is found in its rings, as in woman
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Speaker 1: and man and all living things. And when the ring
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Speaker 1: stop and life comes to an end, we'll all circle
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Speaker 1: back and dance once again. And yes, beautiful Victor, thank you.
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Speaker 1: And like I said, I believe she inspired that. That
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Speaker 1: was the message that she sent me.
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Speaker 2: Oh that's beautiful. It's a nice it's a very nice
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Speaker 2: gift she gave you on the way.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, So, how have your colleagues reacted to your pursuit
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Speaker 1: of these phenomena?
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Speaker 2: Well, actually, I try to be able to turn this
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Speaker 2: back a differently. We're doing a kind of I'm the
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Speaker 2: expert and you're the interviewer thing which you're used to doing.
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Speaker 2: But I want to make something clear to our audience
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Speaker 2: sector this book, this life changing synchronicities, is like is
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Speaker 2: intended to be like a synchronicity itself, and synchronicities themselves
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Speaker 2: are often mirrors of our own minds. Arms are mirrored
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Speaker 2: in our environment. I'm thinking something and it shows up unexpectedly,
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Speaker 2: and you've had plenty of experiences like that. You're thinking
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Speaker 2: you need to have a piece of machinery and it
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Speaker 2: shows up, or the right person shows up when you're
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Speaker 2: needing a job. Well, this book is intended to be
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Speaker 2: a mirror of the mind of the reader. Whether reader
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Speaker 2: I hope will read these stories and then see themselves
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Speaker 2: in it, to see their own experiences in it, just
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Speaker 2: as I'm asking you about yours. I'm not so interested
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Speaker 2: in talking about mine. I'm more interested in having people
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Speaker 2: read what I've experienced and see what that triggers in
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Speaker 2: their own experiences, so they can come to believe that
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Speaker 2: some of these weird things are really something that happened
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Speaker 2: not just to them, but to many people. And I'm
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Speaker 2: supposed to be an expert, and so I can say
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Speaker 2: these are real phenomenon and they're useful. So when you
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Speaker 2: read the stories in a book, let me know, or
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Speaker 2: let yourself know, what does it remind you? What do
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Speaker 2: they remind you of just as you've been reminded of
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Speaker 2: your mother, and finding the needed parts of the machinery.
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Speaker 2: My purpose, Victor, is to encourage people to examine meaningful
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Speaker 2: coincidences in their own lives by reading some of mine
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Speaker 2: and seeing how they're similar and different to their own.
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Speaker 1: My guest is doctor Bernard Bidman his book Life Changing Synchronicities,
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Speaker 1: A Doctor's Journey of coincidence and Serendipity. Bernie, please share
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Speaker 1: with our listeners where they can get your books and
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Speaker 1: find out more about you and your work.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Victor. If you put my name in any
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Speaker 2: search engine, b as in boy, he is an Edward,
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Speaker 2: I as an Idaho T M A N Bitman, you'll
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Speaker 2: find my podcast, you'll find my Psychology Today blog, and
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Speaker 2: you'll find my three coincidence books, the last of which
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Speaker 2: Victor just mentioned, Life Changing Synchronicities.
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Speaker 1: And we'll be back with more of Bernie after these words.
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Speaker 1: Back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week, doctor Bernard
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Speaker 1: Bidtman his book Life Changing Synchronicities, A Doctor's Journey of
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Speaker 1: coincidence and Serendipity. Bernie, let's start looking at some of
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Speaker 1: those terms. You had touched upon them a little bit earlier.
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Speaker 1: But let's look at each of these expressions. You talk
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Speaker 1: about synchronicity, serendipity, seriality, and simulpathy. How are these defined
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Speaker 1: and are they different or the same.
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Speaker 2: Synchronicity tends to be a psychological, spiritual, or interpersonal interpersonal experience,
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Speaker 2: and usually it has to do with something in the
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Speaker 2: person's mind, matching something in the person's environment, or running
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Speaker 2: parallel with something in the person's environment. For example, you
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Speaker 2: I needed to have information about how to write my
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Speaker 2: next book, and my very good friend told me you
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Speaker 2: got to write the introduction first, and then you got
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Speaker 2: to write the last chapter first seconds, so you know
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Speaker 2: what the book ends are of your book, and I
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Speaker 2: didn't know I needed that, but I had a need
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Speaker 2: kind of like your machine, and that was a synchronicity.
25:41
Speaker 2: And on the other hand, I gave him some vitamin
25:46
Speaker 2: e oil and he never asked me for it, but
25:50
Speaker 2: when I gave it to him, it's fit a need
25:53
Speaker 2: he had, which is that he needed something for some
25:59
Speaker 2: neuropathy his foot, and the pain killers don't cure anything,
26:04
Speaker 2: and the vitamin e oil I David has made it
26:07
Speaker 2: a lot easier for him. That was for him and synchronicity.
26:11
Speaker 2: He had a need. I have a problem, I filled it.
26:14
Speaker 2: So his need, what he had in his mind, I
26:18
Speaker 2: filled with a little bottle of vitamin e oil. That's
26:22
Speaker 2: synchronicity and a synchronicity that draws us closer together. It's more,
26:27
Speaker 2: it's an interpersonal thing often as well as a psychological
26:31
Speaker 2: and spiritual thing. Serendipity is often called a lucky accident.
26:36
Speaker 2: You kind of go the wrong way and there it is.
26:39
Speaker 2: And that's what happened with Snapper. I went the wrong way,
26:43
Speaker 2: he went the right way. I took one wrong turn.
26:45
Speaker 2: Snapper took four right turns and ran into me. So
26:49
Speaker 2: he did more of a choosing than I did, so
26:52
Speaker 2: that was a primary serendipity I also had. I also
26:58
Speaker 2: loved playing baseball in high school, and I was batting
27:03
Speaker 2: like one hundred and fifty my sophomore year, which is
27:07
Speaker 2: not too good. You want to get at least three hundred.
27:10
Speaker 2: My junior year, new coach came in and he taught
27:14
Speaker 2: me how to drag bunt, which is a way of
27:17
Speaker 2: fooling the third baseman into like thinking I was just
27:20
Speaker 2: going to hit the ball, but at the last moment,
27:22
Speaker 2: I put it down the third baseline and I was
27:25
Speaker 2: pretty fast, so I could beat out these bunts. And
27:29
Speaker 2: I ended up winning the batting title that year with
27:34
Speaker 2: the batting average of four eighty six. And it was
27:37
Speaker 2: all because of the serendipity of this new coach showing
27:41
Speaker 2: up at the right time for me to be able
27:44
Speaker 2: to really excel at baseball. Serendipity. Seriality is a sequence
27:50
Speaker 2: of events that are visual to everyone. It's not just
27:55
Speaker 2: a mental event matching an external event. It's like a
28:01
Speaker 2: friend of mine sees monkeys, images and monkeys all the time,
28:05
Speaker 2: and she's kept a diary of now has like fifteen
28:10
Speaker 2: hundred different monkey images and they're all monkey and around
28:13
Speaker 2: with her because each time she has that one of
28:16
Speaker 2: these monkey images, like on a toy or a commercial,
28:20
Speaker 2: or some a magazine or even somebody giving her a
28:24
Speaker 2: monkey toy it comes at a time, is that it's
28:27
Speaker 2: meaningful for her. And the fourth term is simul pathety,
28:32
Speaker 2: and simul pathty refers to what you picked up about
28:35
Speaker 2: your mother knowing the pain of a loved one at
28:37
Speaker 2: a distance, and what I did with choking with my father.
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Speaker 1: You open your new book Life Changing Synchronicities by suggesting
28:47
Speaker 1: that humanity may resolve our conflicts by recognizing synchronicities in
28:52
Speaker 1: our deeper connection with one another.
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Speaker 2: Houso, What does that trigger in you? Victor? Question? And
29:00
Speaker 2: I want to hear what you think about it, because again,
29:03
Speaker 2: this is not about me only, it's about me and
29:07
Speaker 2: the reader. And I'm so glad you picked that up
29:10
Speaker 2: and you're pretty knowledgeable about all these things. What does
29:13
Speaker 2: that statement mean to you? First?
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Speaker 1: To me, it means that when we see these things
29:19
Speaker 1: happening to not only ourselves but to our brothers and
29:22
Speaker 1: sisters around the world, we're recognizing a common human experience.
29:28
Speaker 1: And by recognizing common human experience, compassion will come through.
29:34
Speaker 1: And the feeling of caring and the feeling of kindness
29:38
Speaker 1: and ultimately the feeling of love, which is really what
29:41
Speaker 1: we need in this world.
29:43
Speaker 2: Beautiful probably a better answer than I could have given it.
29:48
Speaker 2: So well, the only word you didn't use that I
29:52
Speaker 2: would have, which I know things as good as some
29:55
Speaker 2: of what you said. It's connection is that shows where
29:59
Speaker 2: are connect to other people in ways that we don't
30:03
Speaker 2: know that we are, and their connections take place again
30:06
Speaker 2: through this psychosphere. It's a web of interactions that is
30:12
Speaker 2: kind of like the Internet, but it's more ethereal and
30:16
Speaker 2: we don't know it. I mean, there was one story
30:19
Speaker 2: that I can't remember where I got it, but somebody
30:24
Speaker 2: was telling me about how he was really in trouble
30:29
Speaker 2: with the law and he couldn't help stealing things and
30:35
Speaker 2: he stole something again he was going to really get
30:38
Speaker 2: in trouble and be in jail for quite a while.
30:41
Speaker 2: So some guy in New Jersey who he didn't know,
30:45
Speaker 2: went across to Manhattan where this guy was living and unstealing,
30:50
Speaker 2: and stood in front of a store where the guy
30:54
Speaker 2: telling me the story was about to steal something and
30:57
Speaker 2: the guy from New Jersey said, don't do it.
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Speaker 1: And he was there to say it to him.
31:03
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they were connected and didn't know it. But
31:08
Speaker 2: the guy I knew Jersey acted on it. And I
31:11
Speaker 2: can't emphasize anymore how important it is to act on
31:17
Speaker 2: the intuitions you get to see where they take you
31:21
Speaker 2: because sometimes and they can be like life saving, as
31:25
Speaker 2: this was for the guy telling me the story.
31:29
Speaker 1: Just from a personal perspective. When I've had these experiences
31:33
Speaker 1: in my life, especially the last ten or fifteen years,
31:37
Speaker 1: I've been presented with situations, and in these situations, I
31:41
Speaker 1: had three choices. I could either dismiss it out of hand.
31:45
Speaker 1: I could say yes, but not right now, this is
31:47
Speaker 1: not the time for it or the place for it.
31:49
Speaker 1: Or I could say yes for the capital why And
31:51
Speaker 1: every time I use that capital, why, Yes? The next
31:55
Speaker 1: one would come, and the next one would come. Is
31:57
Speaker 1: this a common occurrence?
32:00
Speaker 2: As a research question, it's a research question. You have
32:06
Speaker 2: to take all three elements and track people, which I
32:12
Speaker 2: think is going to be possible. But the basic idea
32:15
Speaker 2: is not no, maybe, or yes. It's knowing when to
32:20
Speaker 2: say yes. And how did you know when to say yes? Victor?
32:26
Speaker 1: I felt it?
32:28
Speaker 2: Tell us how you felt it.
32:31
Speaker 1: I had a situation in twenty twenty, where I had
32:36
Speaker 1: an employer who I'm sorry. In twenty eighteen, I had
32:40
Speaker 1: an employer that I had been working for for many years,
32:43
Speaker 1: was not the nicest gentleman in the world. I'm not
32:45
Speaker 1: going to go into any other details other than that.
32:47
Speaker 1: And one day I said to myself, if we had
32:52
Speaker 1: a meeting, I said, if he looks at me the
32:53
Speaker 1: wrong way, I'm out of here. And we had the meeting,
32:57
Speaker 1: and within five minutes, I said, excuse me, I have
32:59
Speaker 1: to go to my desk and get something. I went
33:01
Speaker 1: back to my desk and I wrote a letter of resignation,
33:05
Speaker 1: I submitted it, I left, and he sent out an
33:09
Speaker 1: email to other people in the industry saying that I
33:11
Speaker 1: had left the company and he wished me well in
33:13
Speaker 1: my future endeavors. Within two hours, I had three phone calls,
33:18
Speaker 1: and each of those phone calls was an offer from
33:21
Speaker 1: someone in the same industry, offering me a tremendous amount
33:25
Speaker 1: of increase in compensation as well as a much better position.
33:29
Speaker 1: And that's what my yes was. I wanted out, and
33:32
Speaker 1: I opened to the I opened the new door.
33:34
Speaker 2: Beautiful. That's uh, that's part of this whole synchronicity things
33:43
Speaker 2: not only is it during times of appeaval. It's when
33:50
Speaker 2: you take a risk, which is another way of saying
33:54
Speaker 2: things are different. It's not the usual. You get out
33:59
Speaker 2: of your run, you do something out of the ordinary,
34:03
Speaker 2: just like I got lost and found Snapper getting lost,
34:07
Speaker 2: taking a risk, going on vacation, sometimes impulsively, or taking
34:12
Speaker 2: a left instead of or right, which sometimes will do
34:16
Speaker 2: it too, or just going up to somebody in the
34:20
Speaker 2: airport who you have a feeling about and introducing yourself.
34:25
Speaker 2: And as one guy tells it in his story with
34:29
Speaker 2: Synchronicity in the title, they were married for nineteen years.
34:34
Speaker 1: You share in your book a lot of your personal synchronicities,
34:38
Speaker 1: and then you share ways that readers can identify them.
34:42
Speaker 1: What are some of the common synchronicities and how many
34:45
Speaker 1: your readers and our listeners recognize them?
34:48
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know your listening audience. I
34:54
Speaker 2: don't know who listens to you well, who reads you?
34:59
Speaker 1: Who reads you?
35:01
Speaker 2: I don't know who reads my books. I have a
35:04
Speaker 2: better idea because some of them tell me, but I
35:08
Speaker 2: don't get demographics from them from a publishing company. I'd
35:16
Speaker 2: like to so I can't. I don't know. I mean,
35:20
Speaker 2: you know, your audience may be so I don't know
35:24
Speaker 2: how they think about these things. Let's let's retract.
35:28
Speaker 1: Let's retract, not my audience, not your readers. What are
35:30
Speaker 1: some of the commons that created cities that people experience?
35:34
Speaker 2: We had to answer that question just to be able
35:37
Speaker 2: to say they exist. So what you have to do
35:42
Speaker 2: in science is develop a valid and reliable scale. And
35:47
Speaker 2: there said whole bunch of steps to go through to
35:50
Speaker 2: do it, and you end up looks like we got
35:53
Speaker 2: ten items. And then we asked a thousand people are
35:57
Speaker 2: to run how frequently these items happened in their lives.
36:03
Speaker 2: And these were faculty and staff at the University of
36:07
Speaker 2: Missouri in Columbia. And once you guess what the most
36:14
Speaker 2: common one instructor or the most common one job.
36:18
Speaker 1: I can think one of the most common one would
36:20
Speaker 1: probably be you're thinking about someone, the phone rings, and
36:23
Speaker 1: it's them calling you.
36:26
Speaker 2: Yep. And now they don't do phones only it can
36:31
Speaker 2: be texting, and occasionally they'll show up at your door.
36:36
Speaker 2: That'll happen too, And often the key part of it
36:40
Speaker 2: is is you haven't heard from them for a while.
36:43
Speaker 2: I mean, if she talked to your mother every other week,
36:46
Speaker 2: every other day. He's in that surprise when she calls.
36:50
Speaker 2: It's someone who calls who you haven't heard from from
36:53
Speaker 2: a quite a long time. One of my favorites was
36:59
Speaker 2: getting a call from the daughter of my high school
37:04
Speaker 2: girlfriend because she had heard Mel Robbins radio person our
37:14
Speaker 2: common she gets. She got a lot of podcast viewers
37:20
Speaker 2: talk about me as a synchronicity expert. So she heard it,
37:27
Speaker 2: and I got and then she contacted me to talk
37:31
Speaker 2: about her mother. It's not like I was thinking about
37:36
Speaker 2: either one, the mother or the daughter, but I do
37:40
Speaker 2: think about her daughter, her mother on and off or
37:43
Speaker 2: quite off every once in a while, just because from
37:46
Speaker 2: any street. So this was one of those very low
37:50
Speaker 2: probability thinking about somebody without and getting a fun in contact,
37:56
Speaker 2: and that just came out of nowhere, except that her
38:00
Speaker 2: other in high school had a strong impact on me
38:04
Speaker 2: and in my future relationships with women.
38:09
Speaker 1: Do synchronicities only happen when we're paying attention?
38:14
Speaker 2: Now? One of the things about questions is they're often
38:17
Speaker 2: a hidden There's often a hidden statement in the question.
38:22
Speaker 2: I've done enough, I've done enough interview other people and
38:25
Speaker 2: let me just say I agree with you.
38:32
Speaker 1: So we have to pay attention.
38:34
Speaker 2: We have to pay attention if you're if you're not
38:36
Speaker 2: paying attention, you don't see them. And you have to
38:40
Speaker 2: think that paying attention is going to be useful to you.
38:45
Speaker 2: And as I was saying that you were paying a
38:48
Speaker 2: lot of attention. When you want to find that piece
38:50
Speaker 2: in the machinery, you found it in a very nice,
38:57
Speaker 2: harder to find way. If you're looking for your dog
39:02
Speaker 2: to see if you can find him, then sometimes it's
39:06
Speaker 2: just scanning your environment and looking to see if there's
39:11
Speaker 2: something there. The guy in the airport was scanning his
39:16
Speaker 2: environment for somebody who might somehow resonate with him. Another
39:23
Speaker 2: person in the airport wanted to meet this famous person
39:28
Speaker 2: in her world. It was Little Guardia, and she had
39:32
Speaker 2: no way of contacting her, and then ended up seeing
39:36
Speaker 2: her in Louardia because she wanted to find her, and
39:39
Speaker 2: she would have if she had to be able to
39:42
Speaker 2: be looking around in order to be able to see her,
39:45
Speaker 2: and she got a job working for this woman.
39:48
Speaker 1: Are there ways here's a question of the answer within
39:50
Speaker 1: the question, are there ways that we may increase the
39:53
Speaker 1: frequency of coincidences?
39:58
Speaker 2: Well, what are they they're different after your list of
40:03
Speaker 2: your listen.
40:08
Speaker 1: I think the ways that we increase the frequency of
40:10
Speaker 1: coincidences is by being aware of them. And I think
40:13
Speaker 1: once we're aware of them, they're actually happening all the time.
40:17
Speaker 2: It's fundamental. When you asked me about quantum entanglement, or
40:23
Speaker 2: I'll give you some kind of answer about the psychos here,
40:26
Speaker 2: and it's a psychological thing. First, it's a psychological explanation.
40:31
Speaker 4: You had to be listening to the voice talking to you.
40:37
Speaker 4: You had to pay attention to that voice, otherwise wouldn't
40:41
Speaker 4: hurt it.
40:42
Speaker 2: If you were distracted, if you're depressed, if you were anxious,
40:45
Speaker 2: if you were caught up in something else, you wouldn't
40:49
Speaker 2: have heard it. But your attention was free enough to
40:53
Speaker 2: be able to listen to that voice inside your head.
40:57
Speaker 2: So you have to have a floating attention that can
41:02
Speaker 2: be drawn like a butterfly to a flower or a
41:08
Speaker 2: bee to a flower, to be able to land where
41:12
Speaker 2: you need to be able to land with your attention.
41:15
Speaker 2: It's undamental. And here I'll mention something that you won't
41:20
Speaker 2: ask me about. It's called cognitive sovereignty. Cognitive sovereignty in
41:29
Speaker 2: these days, our minds are flooded with all kinds of information,
41:38
Speaker 2: visual and word based, just like what we're doing. We're
41:43
Speaker 2: doing one of many, many, many, many many podcasts that
41:47
Speaker 2: are and radio shows that are being put out there,
41:51
Speaker 2: and people turn on their TV sets, they look, they
41:54
Speaker 2: go downtown and there's all kinds of ads and people
41:58
Speaker 2: trying to sell them stuff. We're all kinds of cartoons
42:02
Speaker 2: and entertainment. I'm being distracted by watching basketball these days.
42:09
Speaker 2: Sometimes distractions are a good idea, but there is a
42:13
Speaker 2: fight for our attention more than there's ever been before
42:19
Speaker 2: in the history of humanity, a real war for people's attention.
42:26
Speaker 2: And the term cognitive sovereignty is a way of saying,
42:31
Speaker 2: be master mistress of your own mind. Don't let stuff
42:39
Speaker 2: in that does not benefit you if you leave. If
42:46
Speaker 2: you do that, then your attention gets freed up for synchronicity.
42:52
Speaker 1: Taking ownership of our attention cognitive sovereignty. My guest is
42:57
Speaker 1: doctor Bernard BigMan, his book Life Change Synchronicities. We'll be
43:01
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43:37
Speaker 1: Back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week, doctor Bernard Bidman,
43:41
Speaker 1: his book Life Changing Synchronicities, A Doctor's Journey of coincidence
43:47
Speaker 1: and Serendipity. Bernie, you share many wonderful personal experiences in
43:52
Speaker 1: your book. Tell us about the significance of the number
43:55
Speaker 1: twenty three.
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Speaker 2: People tend to have numbers that follow them around, and
44:05
Speaker 2: it's kind of surprising when it started noticing that happening.
44:10
Speaker 2: And I started noticing that most prominently when I was
44:16
Speaker 2: in college, when this classmate of mine, it's a teammate
44:23
Speaker 2: of mine, didn't want number twenty three. He wanted number
44:26
Speaker 2: twenty six, and that's when I was being given so
44:30
Speaker 2: I had number twenty three. Well, number twenty three meaning
44:35
Speaker 2: to me already it was my house in Wilmington, Delaware
44:43
Speaker 2: was thirty two, so it was a reverse. And later
44:48
Speaker 2: in years I read about twenty three, meaning change as
44:52
Speaker 2: in twenty threes could do from the nineteen twenties. And
44:58
Speaker 2: then I'd get a a number for a new checking
45:02
Speaker 2: account when I was a psychiatric resident and saw the
45:05
Speaker 2: number twenty three on this checking account. And probably the
45:09
Speaker 2: most surprising one was of October twenty third, nineteen sixty five.
45:16
Speaker 2: This girlfriend of mine and I were hitchhiking from San
45:20
Speaker 2: Francisco to Los Angeles, and we went on one oh
45:27
Speaker 2: one and then went over to root Warm around the
45:31
Speaker 2: California coast. And the first ride took us to the
45:37
Speaker 2: turn towards the Route one, and the second one took
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Speaker 2: us to Monterey, and the third one took us to
45:45
Speaker 2: another place halfway down. The fourth onee took us to
45:48
Speaker 2: Hurst Castle, and the fifth one took us to their
45:52
Speaker 2: apartment in Los Angeles. And so there was five rides
45:56
Speaker 2: on October twenty third, and we walked in to their
46:00
Speaker 2: apartment just to take a rest, and their apartment number
46:03
Speaker 2: is twenty three. The number twenty three has been played
46:08
Speaker 2: around with in movies. There's two movies that have the
46:12
Speaker 2: number twenty three as a central one. It's just one
46:15
Speaker 2: of those central idea. It's just one of those numbers
46:19
Speaker 2: that gets a lot of play. Six x six gets
46:23
Speaker 2: a lot of play, and some people are attached to
46:25
Speaker 2: other numbers. It's just they make you think. And the
46:31
Speaker 2: one thing that makes a lot of people think about
46:34
Speaker 2: numbers is I wake up at the same time and
46:37
Speaker 2: the clock is two to two two in the morning.
46:43
Speaker 2: Our other people see eleven eleven. That's the favorite on
46:47
Speaker 2: a digital clock, that's the favorite number. It's because it's
46:51
Speaker 2: the only one with four digits in a twelve hour clock.
46:55
Speaker 2: But if you do a twenty four hour clock, you
46:57
Speaker 2: got to twenty two to twenty two. So it depends
47:02
Speaker 2: on what's kind of clock you're using, and people take
47:05
Speaker 2: that to have some kind of significance. The number ones, well,
47:10
Speaker 2: what they serve as I think primarily as a way
47:16
Speaker 2: of catching people's attention that there's something else going on
47:21
Speaker 2: around them. When you get the seriality, this representation of
47:27
Speaker 2: the same number, trying to say, there's more to your life,
47:32
Speaker 2: there's more to our reality than you have been told.
47:37
Speaker 2: And my whole thing is to be able to help
47:40
Speaker 2: with the transition from materialistic reality to one in which consciousness,
47:46
Speaker 2: which our minds are not only products of our brains.
47:51
Speaker 2: We need our brains to some degree, but there are
47:54
Speaker 2: also something else, and that something else is a way
47:59
Speaker 2: we can with something greater. And that's something greater that
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Speaker 2: I'm writing about next is the collective human mind that
48:08
Speaker 2: we each of us is a sell and the collective
48:12
Speaker 2: human organism, and each of us has an that's connected
48:16
Speaker 2: to the other minds on our planet. And synchronicity is
48:20
Speaker 2: a way of showing how these connections take place.
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Speaker 1: So this would allude to what you share in your
48:27
Speaker 1: book Life Changing Synchronicity. Is that really all synchronicities have purpose?
48:33
Speaker 2: No, that's I am selling that idea. That's true, otherwise
48:39
Speaker 2: why by writing about it? But some of them are
48:42
Speaker 2: to be discarded because you don't know what their meaning is.
48:47
Speaker 2: And purpose and meaning often and sometimes you just get
48:52
Speaker 2: one and you say, what what is this? I don't
48:56
Speaker 2: know what this is supposed to mean. Sometimes you find
48:59
Speaker 2: out later what the coincidence meant. You don't know it
49:04
Speaker 2: at the moment. You can't insist that you know it
49:07
Speaker 2: in the moment. But there are some you just say
49:13
Speaker 2: I without going into the details of it. There was
49:16
Speaker 2: a very complicated synchronicity happening with a soccer team in England.
49:25
Speaker 2: That has to do with five Bonachi numbers, which I
49:29
Speaker 2: don't want to try to get into. But this team
49:33
Speaker 2: had somehow scored or won games in a five Nachi sequence.
49:42
Speaker 2: So I asked a guy who's an expert in five
49:44
Speaker 2: Nazi sequences, and he said, this is a random event.
49:51
Speaker 2: It's very low probability, but it's still a random event.
49:57
Speaker 2: And so you get to a place where the random
50:00
Speaker 2: and this says there's no inherent meaning in it, but
50:05
Speaker 2: you can make meaning out of it if you want to.
50:09
Speaker 2: A lot of times there's some inherent meaning that you
50:13
Speaker 2: become wanting to search for. So yes, for the most
50:17
Speaker 2: part or many times, they're useful. And when I we
50:20
Speaker 2: talk about that victor. Sometimes there are terrible consequences of
50:25
Speaker 2: a synchronicity at first, and years later it turns out
50:29
Speaker 2: to be one of the best things that happened. And
50:31
Speaker 2: it's something like the same pattern of your quitting your job.
50:36
Speaker 2: The VOSS gave you what you needed to leave, and
50:40
Speaker 2: there was a terrible thing to have to do, and
50:43
Speaker 2: it turned out to be much better than you had.
50:46
Speaker 1: Before, absolutely, and the resolution was rapid once I made
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Speaker 1: that choice.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's not so.
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Speaker 1: Rapid interesting mind. For the most part, have been who
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Speaker 1: gave a moniker Doctor coincidence.
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Speaker 2: A friend of mine from the University of Washington called
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Speaker 2: me doctor Coincidence. That's where I got it.
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Speaker 1: I like that, you don't like it.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Coincidence is an alter ego of mine, and doctor
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Speaker 2: Coincidence emerges when I smoke a certain weed. And doctor
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Speaker 2: Coincidence has been known to be my research assistant because
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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff we're talking about happens when I
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Speaker 2: am in an altered state of consciousness, because in altered
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Speaker 2: states reality looks different than it does in regular states.
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Speaker 2: So I've seen a lot of stuff by being doctor
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Speaker 2: Coincidence in an altered state of consciousness. However, Doctor Coincidences
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Speaker 2: has also got me in trouble because he's kind of
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Speaker 2: like a trickster. He kind of just gets self involved
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Speaker 2: and likes to do things for the fun of it
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Speaker 2: and doesn't pay attention to the potential consequences. So I've
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Speaker 2: had to keep him under wraps more recently, and I
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Speaker 2: just let him out every once in a while. There
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Speaker 2: still is and I probably won't be able to use it.
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Speaker 2: I have a car, a nineteen sixty eight Volvo A
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Speaker 2: one twenty two s. That was my hippie car in
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Speaker 2: San Francisco when I was a hippie on Hayte Street.
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Speaker 2: I still have it and it works, and I want
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Speaker 2: to get a little video of me riding around a
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Speaker 2: car as doctor Coincidence stressed up and some on my
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Speaker 2: hippie up. It's nice. I like it. I like it.
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Speaker 1: Tell us about the Coincidence Project.
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Speaker 2: The Coincidence Project was organized in twenty twenty two. It
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Speaker 2: became an we'll see in the state of I mean
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Speaker 2: a nonprofit in the state of Virginia four O one
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Speaker 2: to three C. And our purpose is to put synchronicity
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Speaker 2: into global consciousness. A lot of people are doing that.
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Speaker 2: There's more and more people doing it, but that's been
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Speaker 2: our function and the vision is to is to illuminate
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Speaker 2: the hidden currents that connect and unify us. Synchronicities illuminate
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Speaker 2: those hidden currents that connect and unify us. And how
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Speaker 2: do we do that. We had to think called the
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Speaker 2: Coincidence Cafe, which we've stopped because it really wasn't doing
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Speaker 2: that much. And the way I'm trying to do it
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Speaker 2: now and I have some steps in doing it, is
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Speaker 2: to develop an AI app which could be called Bernard GPT.
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Speaker 2: One of the board members doesn't like that, but it's made.
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Speaker 2: Bernard GPT is a thing, and it's composed of my
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Speaker 2: three books, primarily of the information from my three books,
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Speaker 2: and you can ask you questions about your own synchronicities
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Speaker 2: and it can answer it. And that's what That's what
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Speaker 2: I want people to do, is to start using the
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Speaker 2: AI to figure out their own coincidences and then be
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Speaker 2: able to connect with people who have similar coincidence stories
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Speaker 2: and connect them up if they're willing. There's a lot
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Speaker 2: of privacy issues we have to be careful about. If
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Speaker 2: they're open to connecting with people with different similar synchronicities
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Speaker 2: and creating like online connections and the discussions, that's what
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Speaker 2: we're trying to do. It's a broader a way than
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Speaker 2: having a meeting once a month where we get twenty
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Speaker 2: five people together to talk about coincidences. This is more fat,
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Speaker 2: this is faster and larger.
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Speaker 1: My guest doctor Bernard Bidman his brand new book Life
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Speaker 1: Changing Synchronicities, A Doctor's Journey of Coincidence and Serendipity. Burnie
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Speaker 1: one more time, please chair with our listeners with and
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Speaker 1: get all of your books and find out more about you.
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Speaker 2: Please put my name in your search engine viaz in
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Speaker 2: boy E t M a n btman first named Bernard,
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Speaker 2: and you'll find my Psychology Today blog, my podcast which
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Speaker 2: has about two hundred interviews on it of people talking
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Speaker 2: about synchronicity, and you'll readily come across various places to
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Speaker 2: get my three books, the last one Life Changing Synchronicities
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Speaker 2: Will This is what I hope you do and what
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Speaker 2: I hope you'll read is not just me, but see
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Speaker 2: a mirror of yourself in my stories.
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Speaker 1: Bernie, thank you so much for joining us and sharing
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Speaker 1: this amazing work.
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Speaker 2: You're very welcome. Victor, thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: And thank you for joining us on Destination Unlimited. I'm
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Speaker 1: Victor the Voice Furman. Have a wonderful week