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Speaker 1: Is the bold perform it tonight an extraordinary handfle for
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Speaker 1: year ten students get ask them to list sex acts
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Speaker 1: and say which ones they're excited to try. Another blow
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Speaker 1: to the Abeze. Government's inflation goes up again and politicians
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Speaker 1: play the race card as the Senate gets feral.
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Speaker 2: Oh, somebody bring the dictionary because Santa Hanson does not
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Speaker 2: know the definition of racism.
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Speaker 1: Plus the craziest speech yet from an ABC boss. Its
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Speaker 1: chairman tells us to give it even more money to
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Speaker 1: make us more patriotic, The ABC patriotic. Plenty more that
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Speaker 1: have got to get to the humidiation today of the
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Speaker 1: Climate Change minister as New South Wales faces blackouts. What today?
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Speaker 1: As we saw this crumbling of the urban eazy government's
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Speaker 1: global warming policies, so much so that people in New
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Speaker 1: South Wales were told today don't wash your clothes, no
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Speaker 1: dishwashers either when you get home. And yet the day
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Speaker 1: it started so positively for Chris Bowen, the Federal Energy
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Speaker 1: and Climate Change of Minister, he even went out and
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Speaker 1: boast it's a journalist that his global warming plans were
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Speaker 1: working beautifully. Look at the cuts it made to our emissions.
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Speaker 3: Well on track for forty three percent emissions reduction, forty
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Speaker 3: two point six emissions reduction.
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Speaker 1: That's real progress.
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Speaker 4: That's not achieved by protesting, that's achieved by real policies
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Speaker 4: put in place by this government.
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Speaker 1: Oh goodyess, cut our emissions, But no one asked at
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Speaker 1: what cost, minister, and for what gain? These are absolutely
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Speaker 1: critical questions because in New South Wales today residents were
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Speaker 1: already paying a huge price for this mad gamble of
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Speaker 1: destroying the culparate's system that worked with an unreliable wind
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Speaker 1: and solar power system, and not enough of it or
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Speaker 1: of anything else. Now the state is so short of
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Speaker 1: electricity today a hot day in Sydney, lots of aircon
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Speaker 1: that the premieer was begging them not to clean their
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Speaker 1: clothes or dishes when they got home from work. All
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Speaker 1: those solar panels you see that we've spent billions putting
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Speaker 1: up weren't doing the job.
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Speaker 5: Solar production in the energy market starts to come off
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Speaker 5: from three pm at exactly the same time as people
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Speaker 5: return home from work. So if you can not run
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Speaker 5: your pool filter, not run your dish washer, not run
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Speaker 5: your washing machine this afternoon between three and eight, you'll
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Speaker 5: help the grid.
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Speaker 1: And the Premier was right at half past three today,
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Speaker 1: in the middle of a hot day thirty nine degrees
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Speaker 1: in some suburbs, solar power was providing just eleven percent
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Speaker 1: of the stage power. And all those ugly wind towers
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Speaker 1: we've wasted more than billions on they were providing just
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Speaker 1: seven percent. Good old coal still supplied half the state's
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Speaker 1: electricity and gas another fossil fuel twelve percent. And this shortage, remember,
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Speaker 1: would have been even worse. In the New South Wales
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Speaker 1: government not upset the Greens and paid for the giant
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Speaker 1: Rarian Colfight POWERstation to stay open for just a couple
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Speaker 1: more years. What will happened after that? But of course
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Speaker 1: you know the Premier had its excuses. One of them
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Speaker 1: was dumb and the other at admission.
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Speaker 5: Two things are happening. The climate's changing and we're obviously
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Speaker 5: in a transition when it comes to energy.
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Speaker 1: The climate change. That's now politicians get out of jail card.
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Speaker 1: Don't blame me, Blame it on climate change. Seriously, blaming
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Speaker 1: climate change for Sydney having a thirty nine degree day
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Speaker 1: in the last week of November. That's not climate change.
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Speaker 1: That's Australia. We have hot days and if we can't
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Speaker 1: keep up with this particular hot day, you imagine a
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Speaker 1: forty plus day later the summer with everyone coming home
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Speaker 1: to watch cricket in the air con. But the other
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Speaker 1: half of what the Premier said, obviously we're in a
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Speaker 1: transition when it comes to energy. He's right. We are
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Speaker 1: in a transition from the coulfied electricity system that worked,
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Speaker 1: so this green one which doesn't. Now, it is true
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Speaker 1: some generators were down for maintenance, scheduled maintenance or for repairs.
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Speaker 1: This transition to green power actually means there's so little
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Speaker 1: incentive to invest in expensive upgrades of coul fire generators.
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Speaker 1: You're probably going to get a lot more of that.
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Speaker 1: But what clown planned a transition that leaves us with
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Speaker 1: not enough electricity? Now? Well, speaking of clowns, here's crisponing again,
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Speaker 1: replying to a zinger of a question today from the
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Speaker 1: opposition's energy spokesman Ted O'Brien, The.
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Speaker 4: Australian Energy Market Operator is right now scrambling to avoid
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Speaker 4: blackouts by cutting deals with factories to temporarily shut down
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Speaker 4: in the New South Wales, pres exurging residents i quote,
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Speaker 4: not to run your dishwasher, not to run your washing
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Speaker 4: machine this afternoon, Prime Minister, is this what Labour's planned for?
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Speaker 4: I quote, A renewable energy superpower.
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Speaker 1: Really will look like now?
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Speaker 6: As the House is aware, New South Wales is undergoing
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Speaker 6: a lengthy and severe heat wave.
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Speaker 1: A heat wave in Australia. Who'd have ever thought? Where
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Speaker 1: do these guys think they live? You know, Siberia. It's incredible,
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Speaker 1: isn't it that Australia's actually under this, Chris Bowen? They
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Speaker 1: now pay around You now pay around four hundred and
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Speaker 1: fifty dollars a year more for your electricity. You can't
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Speaker 1: now count on the power. Staying on an Energy Advisor
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Speaker 1: energy quest, it predicts that electricity and gas shortages will
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Speaker 1: hit even harder in twenty twenty six. It's a supply
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Speaker 1: and winter will then meet only seventy percent of demand
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Speaker 1: in New South Wales and act in Victoria. This simply
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Speaker 1: won't be enough gas. And what does all this cost us?
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Speaker 1: These green schemes that leave us with unreliable electricity? It's
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Speaker 1: not just the higher power prices. Bowen, in one press
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Speaker 1: release last year, listed more than sixty billion dollars of
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Speaker 1: promised climate subsidies Grand sloans handouts and has promised billions
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Speaker 1: more since then. Then add all the global warming schemes
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Speaker 1: for the states, of councils of businesses that will get
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Speaker 1: charged back to you, it's got to be costing you
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Speaker 1: much more than ten billion dollars a year. That's low
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Speaker 1: balling it to save the planet. But that raises the
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Speaker 1: other critical question Bone wasn't asked today for all this
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Speaker 1: pain minister, what is the gain? By how much will
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Speaker 1: all these billions were spending Ashley lower the world's temperature?
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Speaker 1: Not one prime minister has ever told us, because the
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Speaker 1: former chief scientist SOUNDM. Finkel famously admitted we're actually too
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Speaker 1: small to make any real difference at all, and should
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Speaker 1: we even try to be changing things because you look
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Speaker 1: at the evidence. We're actually getting fewer cyclones now, we're
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Speaker 1: getting more rain overall, getting bigger crops. So is this
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Speaker 1: really a climate crisis that we must spend billions of
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Speaker 1: dollars pretending to stop? One day we're going to wake
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Speaker 1: up and wonder how we devastated our power system without
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Speaker 1: asking what it would cost or what it would achieve.
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Speaker 1: And then were remember Chris bown all right, the man
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Speaker 1: who boasted this is progress joined me is the panel
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Speaker 1: Michael Costa, former New South Wales Labor Treasureer, and Michael Danby,
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Speaker 1: former Federal Labor MP and former Chairman of the Joint
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Speaker 1: Standing Committee on Foreign Afairs, Defense and Trade. Michael Costs,
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Speaker 1: you know, to me, this looks like a humiliation for
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Speaker 1: Chris Bowen and the whole global warming movement that's forced
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Speaker 1: us to rely on solar and win.
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Speaker 7: Well, what can I say about Chris Bowen. Everything he touches,
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Speaker 7: as I said on many occasions, turns to that substance
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Speaker 7: we don't talk about on air, but look, it's ridiculous.
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Speaker 7: We're facing a situation where the energy system in New
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Speaker 7: South Wales and nationally needs an NDS package to keep going.
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Speaker 7: It's absurd, and we know what a disaster the NDIES is,
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Speaker 7: but this is this is looming to be an even
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Speaker 7: bigger disaster.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 7: Chris bow And, as I've said on a couple occasions,
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Speaker 7: really doesn't believe in a crime as a climate emergency.
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Speaker 7: If he did, he would be pursuing gas and ultimately
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Speaker 7: nuclear power. This is all all politics for him. He
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Speaker 7: thinks he's back and Michael Demiel appreciate this. Backing young Labor,
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Speaker 7: playing a clever intellectual game, trying to defeat his opponents
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Speaker 7: with whatever argument he's got, even though that argument is
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Speaker 7: not based on facts. But he doesn't realize he's the
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Speaker 7: Minister for Energy and he's got a system that's fundamentally
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Speaker 7: critical to national prosperity, and he's playing games with it
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Speaker 7: and it's an appalling exercise in self indulgence.
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Speaker 1: But Michael Danby, do you get any sense from your
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Speaker 1: former colleagues up in Canberra, your labor colleagues, that they've
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Speaker 1: gone They've gone completely down the wrong track here. They're
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Speaker 1: in real strife on this issue.
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Speaker 8: Well elbow pulled back a bit on Tanya pliver six
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Speaker 8: latest man plan in West Australia, but I don't see
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Speaker 8: any change. Basically, Thank Heavens, the new South walest premier
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Speaker 8: men's listened to Jenny George rather than Chris Bowen to
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Speaker 8: keep that coal fired your memory station up open. I
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Speaker 8: mean you'd have no power in your South Wales and
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Speaker 8: you'd have blackouts already. So all of the rich people
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Speaker 8: in Point Piper and in New South Wales and Brighton
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Speaker 8: and Hawthorne in Victoria, it won't matter that they can
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Speaker 8: have for their power bills if they can't get any
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Speaker 8: electricity at all for the air conditioning in their mansions.
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Speaker 8: So I mean, people will wake up to this eventually,
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Speaker 8: but it's a cloud cook who land as far as
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Speaker 8: I believe, still in New South Wales and in Canberra,
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Speaker 8: and eventually this is going to catch up with people.
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Speaker 8: We have to have a mix of power, probably nuclear,
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Speaker 8: the small power stations, a mixture of wind and solar
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Speaker 8: plus gas. Ten years of banning gas in Victoria, Lily
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Speaker 8: dan brose, you should have that hung around her neck
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Speaker 8: and that's why we're going to have blackouts eventually, probably
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Speaker 8: next year in Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: Also true, Well the rich may not suffer too much
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Speaker 1: because if you've got a bit of money like me,
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Speaker 1: you've got a generator out of the outside and you
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Speaker 1: know you're okay. But the poor, they're the ones that
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Speaker 1: really suffer now, Michael Danby There, Michael Cossa mentioned Tana
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Speaker 1: the Albanizi, the Prime Minister today killed tenure Plebasex planned
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Speaker 1: for a new plan, a nature positive law. It was
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Speaker 1: that would have added even tougher green laws and also
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Speaker 1: heritage laws, Aboriginal heritage laws. She had a deal with
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Speaker 1: the Greens, he came in said absolutely no, she'll be fuming.
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Speaker 1: But was that a good move?
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Speaker 5: Oh?
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Speaker 7: Absolutely a good move. Whether the motivation was national prosperity
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Speaker 7: in the need to get rid of green tape and
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Speaker 7: heritage tape and everything else is another matter. I think
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Speaker 7: this has got to do with internal politics more than
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Speaker 7: it does with a sensible outcome in terms of national prosperity.
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Speaker 7: If he really wants to prove that he's changed his
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Speaker 7: mind on these issues in order to approve the goal
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Speaker 7: of mine in New South Wales, un let's just move
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Speaker 7: on and start getting some jobs and some income to
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Speaker 7: off set the damage that this government is doing to
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Speaker 7: the economy through its reckless spending.
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Speaker 1: Now I've got a question I want to get to
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Speaker 1: to Michael Danby, but I'm want to stick with you
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Speaker 1: before I do that. And Michael Costa, we've just had
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Speaker 1: this new poll the Redbridge Pole saying to fifty seven
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Speaker 1: percent of strands now feel worse off under this government today.
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Speaker 1: More evidence there, right, you know the latest inflation figures.
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Speaker 1: It shows real inflation, that's without the temporary government handouts
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Speaker 1: the lower power bills artificially that's gone up again to
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Speaker 1: three and a half percent. There's no chances there, and
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Speaker 1: these figures have a cutting interest rates for months.
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Speaker 7: Yet well, as you know, Andrew, I've never thought there's
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Speaker 7: going to be an interest rate cut in this year.
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Speaker 7: And you know the most optimistic scenario is the first
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Speaker 7: quarter of next year, but that's going to really depend
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Speaker 7: on the figures that come out in January. And given
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Speaker 7: what Deloitte revealed this week about the budget deficit, that
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Speaker 7: ridiculous increase and the reckless spending that's going there, and
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Speaker 7: as well as the off budget items, you know we're
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Speaker 7: talking about ninety billion dollars in spending there as off budget.
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Speaker 7: I can't see that they've set the environment up for
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Speaker 7: that a straight cut. So you know, Australian's standard a
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Speaker 7: living are going to continue to decline under this government.
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Speaker 1: Now, Michael Danby, really interesting one for you. I think
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Speaker 1: Japan's former ambassady is Shingo Yamagami. He was fantastic. It
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Speaker 1: was warning us China is a threat, we've got to
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Speaker 1: muscle up, et cetera, et cetera. He says it was
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Speaker 1: called in by Foreign Minister Penny One, but this was
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Speaker 1: just before when she was still in opposition. I was
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Speaker 1: told to shut up about that, and he says Wong's
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Speaker 1: actions were extraordinary and unacceptable, were they.
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Speaker 8: She's consistently telling people who disagree with her on China
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Speaker 8: to shut up. She did the same to me as
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Speaker 8: she did to the head of the Japanese intelligence services.
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Speaker 8: He is as well. She called me in after approving
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Speaker 8: Labor opposing the Extraordinary Extradition treaty which would have put
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Speaker 8: Beijing's more over one million Australians of Chinese ancestry. So
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Speaker 8: we opposed. They voted against it in the Senate. But
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Speaker 8: I was got a similar call that the Japanese ambassador
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Speaker 8: and told to promptly get over there, and was read
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Speaker 8: the Riot Act about the content of my speech? What
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Speaker 8: did I say that ninety eight percent plus of all
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Speaker 8: people facing prosecution for criminal offenses in China are convicted
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Speaker 8: and it would therefore be unjust and a terrible fear
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Speaker 8: over our Chinese Australians to pass this credit. You know,
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Speaker 8: we sunk it. Julie Bishop should never have put it
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Speaker 8: up and it will never come back again. But I
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Speaker 8: have exactly the same experience with the pro Beijing for
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Speaker 8: orientation of our foreign Minister that the Japanese ambassador had.
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Speaker 1: There, Michael Danby Michael Costa, thank you very much to
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Speaker 1: you both. Unbelievable. Well, talking about unbelievable, I heard the
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Speaker 1: most astonishing speech today from ABC chairman Kim Williams. He
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Speaker 1: told the National Press Club that we should give the
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Speaker 1: ABC even more money if we wanted to become more patriotic.
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Speaker 1: I swear to God listen for yourself.
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Speaker 9: We stood back for the best part of three or
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Speaker 9: four decades and allowed the ABC to lose one third
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Speaker 9: of its funding in real terms, when its services have
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Speaker 9: been needed more than ever before. We need to believe
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Speaker 9: in ourselves, express ourselves with confidence, be creative in our
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Speaker 9: response to big problems, have a set of common beliefs
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Speaker 9: that can bind us together as citizens, regardless of where
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Speaker 9: we live, what color collar we wear to work, what
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Speaker 9: our culture, gender or family origin may be. All the
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Speaker 9: ingredients of what we used to call patriotism. It's an
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Speaker 9: old fashioned term, but one I personally like. The national
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Speaker 9: task will necessarily fall mostly to the ABC.
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Speaker 1: Just wow. I mean, let's overlook all these race and
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Speaker 1: gender divisions and be patriotic now. I totally agree that
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Speaker 1: we do face a national crisis. I mean, I have
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Speaker 1: worn for years that we've led identity politics and mass immigration,
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Speaker 1: corrupt multiculturalism and a toxic retelling of her history. All
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Speaker 1: of that terr Australians apart, and you just look today.
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Speaker 1: I mean the race politics that's dividing us in a
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Speaker 1: federal parliament, for instance, disgraceful One Nation leader paul In
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Speaker 1: Hansen was asking whether Fatima Payment was eligible to citizen
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Speaker 1: Senator given she hadn't really checked enough with the Afghanistan's
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Speaker 1: Taliban government, which you could renounce for Afghan citizenship. Now,
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Speaker 1: in response to a quite reasonable question, Payman played the
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Speaker 1: race card.
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Speaker 2: The fact that you would say, just weeks ago to
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Speaker 2: Senator Brookie got back to Pakistan, you're not just vindictive,
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Speaker 2: mean nasty, you bring disgrace to the human race.
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Speaker 1: Now then race basing Senator Lydia Thorpe seemed to deliberately
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Speaker 1: throw papers at Hansen and flipped the bird as she'd
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Speaker 1: left before declaring sides in a seeming race war.
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Speaker 10: It's an absolute vile act against Senator Payment, and I'll
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Speaker 10: have her back and any other black or brown woman
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Speaker 10: in this place.
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Speaker 1: Let me remind you again that this race of sess Thorpe,
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Speaker 1: who calls herself black, has seven great grandparents who weren't
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Speaker 1: Aboriginal and just one who was. Meanwhile, we have Jews
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Speaker 1: too scared to go down the street and propalacing the
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Speaker 1: extremes of ringing children parents at a Christmas window display
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Speaker 1: at Melbourne's Mares thor And where have Kim Williams and
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Speaker 1: his ABC been as we crumbled into these warring tribes,
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Speaker 1: well on the wrong side of every debate. I mean
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Speaker 1: Williams himself started as talking Wednesday like this.
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Speaker 9: I commenced by offering acknowledgment to the nunn A Woolen
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Speaker 9: Nambrie people's, the traditional custodians of these ancestral lands, and
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Speaker 9: recognize their enduring connection to the land and waterways around us.
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Speaker 9: I pay respect to elders past and present and to
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Speaker 9: elders of other communities in Australia.
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Speaker 1: And it goes. The ABC also cheered on the Voice
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Speaker 1: at Monster critics, critics of multicultural as racists referred to
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Speaker 1: Australia as invasion Day and the whole thing. I was
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Speaker 1: particularly struck though, by William's warning today against misinformation.
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Speaker 9: Most dangerously, it is targeting the next generation of Australian children,
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Speaker 9: teenagers and young adults, compromising their confidence about and knowledge
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Speaker 9: of Australian history, Australian stories, Australian accents and Australian values
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Speaker 9: in ways that may harm our future.
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Speaker 1: But hang on there, Kim, it's your ABC that's rewriting
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Speaker 1: our past. It's pushed hardest the stolen generations claimed, despite
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Speaker 1: of course not identifying even one person stolen from their
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Speaker 1: parents just for being Aboriginal. Your ABC promoted Bruce Pasco
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Speaker 1: to school kids in videos, falsely claiming it was Aboriginal
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Speaker 1: and Aborigines used to live in houses in towns of
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Speaker 1: a thousand people until wicked whites destroyed it all. And
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Speaker 1: as for Williams personally, he also founded the Australian Film
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Speaker 1: Finance Corporation, which later funded rabbit Proof Fence, shown to
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Speaker 1: a generation of Australian students, shown again on HISBS last night,
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Speaker 1: claiming to be the true story of how racist official
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Speaker 1: Ao nevill stole three Aboriginal girls in his genocidal plan
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Speaker 1: to breed out the Aborigine. This scene is actually fiction
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Speaker 1: when you compare the film to the book on which
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Speaker 1: it's based. In factors have written many times sourcing the
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Speaker 1: book other documents. Neville actually ordered the girls to be
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Speaker 1: removed from their bush camps after camp, after reports they'd
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Speaker 1: been ostracized for being part white, no farther around and
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Speaker 1: they were in dangerous sexual abuse. One was just eight
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Speaker 1: years old and already promised the marriage to a grown man.
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Speaker 1: Constable took the girls with the permission of the tribe's
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Speaker 1: head and rode them out peacefully on horseback to bring
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Speaker 1: them to a home where the getter schooling. Did the
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Speaker 1: ABC ever tell the truth about that film's true story,
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Speaker 1: of course not. The ABC's always been on the side
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Speaker 1: of the division, and much as Williams made our promise
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Speaker 1: that it will build our patriotism and our unity, its
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Speaker 1: record tells us that will never happen. Joining me on
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Speaker 1: culture Wars is roundin. It's are in chief of the Spectator,
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Speaker 1: Australian hosts of Outsiders here on Sundays at nine am,
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Speaker 1: row in this argument today, you give the ABC millions
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Speaker 1: more of your dollars and it's going to make us
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Speaker 1: more patriotic and overlook all those divisions.
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Speaker 6: Discuss well, Andrew, I'm just relieved that finally there's some
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Speaker 6: genuine comedy on the ABC. And who would have thought
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Speaker 6: the guess that would come from Kim Williams himself. I
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Speaker 6: think they should give him a show, a comedy show,
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Speaker 6: a satire show, in which he goes on about paid
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Speaker 6: to patriotism within the ABC. I mean hilarious, suffer that
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Speaker 6: he kept a straight face, shows at a great acting
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Speaker 6: skill there that clearly the ABC should be developing. Oh
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Speaker 6: he genuinely believes what he said, in which case there
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Speaker 6: is no hope for the ABC for the simple reason
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Speaker 6: that patriotism and it's like all these words racism, and
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Speaker 6: we might discuss that in a second. The patriotism, You know,
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Speaker 6: you have to define the word before you start tossing
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Speaker 6: it around willy nilly. But patriotism is basically love of country,
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Speaker 6: love of your own country. Not love of a historical
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Speaker 6: country of two hundred years ago, but love of your
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Speaker 6: own country, love of the country you grew up in,
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Speaker 6: with the values that your parents had, the bad values
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Speaker 6: that your grandparents had and fought and died for. That's patriotism. Now,
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Speaker 6: patriotism can go to extremes. You can have it the
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Speaker 6: one extreme. I remember a few years ago that people
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Speaker 6: wandering around t shirt it says, if you don't love it,
22:01
Speaker 6: leave it. So the idea there is, if you don't
22:03
Speaker 6: love the country in every single facet of the country,
22:06
Speaker 6: then maybe you should rap off. That was one extreme
22:10
Speaker 6: version of patriotism. But I think the more mild, or
22:12
Speaker 6: the more general and generous version of patriotism is, as
22:17
Speaker 6: I said, the love of the country and the culture
22:19
Speaker 6: that you are part of. Sure, it can always be improved. Sure,
22:22
Speaker 6: that's why I have politicians and politics and ideas of
22:25
Speaker 6: advancing and moving that culture and society forward. But it
22:29
Speaker 6: has to have a bedrock belief and love of the
22:32
Speaker 6: values that you were born into. And as you on
22:37
Speaker 6: one part of my family, fifth generation Australian, I can
22:40
Speaker 6: say that the values that I was born into and
22:43
Speaker 6: that my ancestors died in the First World War, it
22:46
Speaker 6: fore are not the values that the ABC respects. The
22:50
Speaker 6: ABC is all about shame. You cannot be a patriot
22:54
Speaker 6: if you're a shamed of your country, and the ABC
22:56
Speaker 6: is thoroughly ashamed of Australia that I grew up in.
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Speaker 1: Well said, I mean, it has not been a uniting force,
23:04
Speaker 1: it's been a dividing one. But let's switch to one
23:08
Speaker 1: sign of this division right and I know which side
23:11
Speaker 1: the ABC are beyond. The personal abuse of Pauline Hanson
23:16
Speaker 1: in Parliament today. Was it out of order?
23:21
Speaker 6: It was completely out of order, but not probably for
23:24
Speaker 6: the reasons that people are talking about rudeness and carry
23:27
Speaker 6: on and all the rest of it. But it was
23:28
Speaker 6: out of order because it was so wrong. There is,
23:32
Speaker 6: as I said, the country that I grew up in. Yes,
23:34
Speaker 6: it has had elements of racist casual racism that I
23:37
Speaker 6: observed as a child and growing up as a teenager
23:40
Speaker 6: and an adult. I would call it casual racism. You know,
23:43
Speaker 6: we had There was a well known show in the
23:46
Speaker 6: nineties Wogs out of Work. There were insults and things
23:49
Speaker 6: banter are thrown around that used to be in Alaric
23:51
Speaker 6: and Australia that I grew up just part of the
23:53
Speaker 6: general kind of different cultures getting together and forging in
23:57
Speaker 6: new Australian culture. But the genuine races I have only
24:00
Speaker 6: seen in the last twelve months, and that is real, aggressive, militant,
24:05
Speaker 6: vile racism, and it is directed against specifically and solely
24:11
Speaker 6: one section of the Australian community. And that is of
24:14
Speaker 6: course the hatred of Jews that we are seeing We
24:17
Speaker 6: saw it on October eighth, ninth. We've seen it with
24:20
Speaker 6: people yelling out of the opera house where's the Jews,
24:23
Speaker 6: or gas the Jews or whatever it was. We've seen
24:26
Speaker 6: cars in Wallara vandalized and smashed with jew hatred spread
24:30
Speaker 6: over them. We've seen a Christmas so it's not just
24:32
Speaker 6: the Jews that this particular mob are against, but also
24:36
Speaker 6: Christianity and Christian decorations admires.
24:40
Speaker 11: We've seen endless protests and antagonism.
24:44
Speaker 6: To the point where the Jewish community no longer feels safe.
24:47
Speaker 6: Australian Jews no longer feel safe in this country.
24:52
Speaker 11: Andrew, there has never been in my entire life, any
24:58
Speaker 11: segment of the Australian and a wonderful group of cultures
25:04
Speaker 11: and races and ethnicities that make up Australia. There has
25:07
Speaker 11: never been a single instance where any segment of the
25:11
Speaker 11: Australian society felt scared and afraid for their lives from
25:16
Speaker 11: other members of the Australian community. That has happened in
25:19
Speaker 11: the last twelve months, and it has happened exclusively from
25:23
Speaker 11: one group of individuals who are aggressively having an aggressive
25:27
Speaker 11: hatred of Jews, and they are taking it to the streets.
25:31
Speaker 1: And the only way.
25:33
Speaker 11: Any parliamentarian should be standing up and attacking the word
25:36
Speaker 11: racism in Australia is to condemn the disgraceful anti semitism
25:42
Speaker 11: we have seen week in and week out for twelve months.
25:45
Speaker 11: That is racism. It makes every Australian sick to the stomach.
25:49
Speaker 11: And I won't hear a word from any of our
25:52
Speaker 11: political members of Parliament if they are not prepared to
25:56
Speaker 11: first and foremost condemn that racism outright.
25:59
Speaker 1: Andrew, Oh, it looks so true, so true, I must
26:04
Speaker 1: say that, you know, I think the previous example that
26:07
Speaker 1: I would go to the races as attorneys on the goldfields.
26:11
Speaker 1: And boy boy, how long ago is that? Rondine, thank
26:15
Speaker 1: you so much indeed for your time after the break, Well,
26:19
Speaker 1: you saw that Senator Payment pulled the race card for
26:23
Speaker 1: being asked to proof because she's not an Afghan citizen
26:27
Speaker 1: and said, oh, the Taliban government too hard to get
26:29
Speaker 1: the documents from. You know, I've got the proof, she
26:32
Speaker 1: said today, but she wouldn't show it, she wouldn't table
26:34
Speaker 1: the documents. But anyway, too hard to deal with. Well,
26:36
Speaker 1: I'll talk after the break to the Australian head of
26:39
Speaker 1: the country's Afghanistan's top private media organization. True, he's amazed
26:44
Speaker 1: that's still there. You know. It's strange here we are
26:50
Speaker 1: with our governments, especially in Campbell, Victoria, trying again and
26:53
Speaker 1: again to pass new laws that cut down our free speech.
26:57
Speaker 1: Can't access the social media, and there are enemy is
27:00
Speaker 1: a free speech a freedom of information list in Afghanistan.
27:04
Speaker 1: One man raised in Melbourne is fighting the Taliban to
27:08
Speaker 1: let him keep free speech alive as best he can.
27:12
Speaker 1: And this man is Sad Mossani, who went to Afghanistan
27:15
Speaker 1: after the Taliban was first driven out by the Americans.
27:18
Speaker 1: He founded a new radio station TV as well, later
27:23
Speaker 1: called MOBI, and that became the biggest independent media company
27:26
Speaker 1: in the country. I saw one of his journalists is
27:29
Speaker 1: female journalists at workmen. It was last in Kabul that
27:32
Speaker 1: was inspiring. But then of course America pulled out, the
27:36
Speaker 1: government crumbled and the Taliban took over again. It seemed
27:38
Speaker 1: its all over for MOBI, you know. And now we're
27:41
Speaker 1: being told that Fatimah payment, that Senator can't or can't
27:44
Speaker 1: possibly deal with the Taliban to get documents out there
27:46
Speaker 1: to prove it's not Afghan himself, but this MOBI group
27:51
Speaker 1: has survived so far, and sad At Mossanni is now
27:55
Speaker 1: back in Australia to promote his memoirs Radio Free Afghanistan.
28:01
Speaker 1: So it was any It's great to see you again.
28:04
Speaker 1: How have you and your company survived under the Tealiban?
28:10
Speaker 12: Thank you, Andrew. I think we last spoke as Carbel
28:14
Speaker 12: was about to fall in late July of twenty twenty one.
28:19
Speaker 1: Listen.
28:19
Speaker 12: I mean I thought that it would be the end
28:22
Speaker 12: of us, and that's why I started writing this book.
28:26
Speaker 12: But three years on, we're still there. Not as we
28:31
Speaker 12: were before, of course, but I don't know. I mean
28:35
Speaker 12: I think I say we're there, but I always ended.
28:39
Speaker 12: For now, it's a combination of things that's allowed us
28:42
Speaker 12: to survive to date.
28:45
Speaker 1: Well, I must say I'm surprised that you're still there too.
28:49
Speaker 1: The Teleiban has already shut down one of your most
28:52
Speaker 1: popular programs, Afghan Star, which was a national singing competition
28:56
Speaker 1: singing's band. Why did you do that? And what else
29:01
Speaker 1: have you been stopped from doing? Well?
29:06
Speaker 12: I mean we joke that, you know, they are the
29:08
Speaker 12: enemies of fun so music, soap operas have been banned,
29:15
Speaker 12: but surprisingly, you know, cooking shows and travel shows and
29:19
Speaker 12: chat shows continue, comedy shows continue, probably not as like before.
29:25
Speaker 12: Most important of all, our news operation continues. And while
29:29
Speaker 12: we've sort of we've sacrificed some of the entertainment programs,
29:32
Speaker 12: we've really ramped up our education programs, which are very important,
29:37
Speaker 12: increasingly because of the ban on goals education in the country.
29:42
Speaker 1: Absolutely, when you say about the news programs, what you
29:48
Speaker 1: can't report the what's going on in the country.
29:53
Speaker 12: Well, you know, we pretty much report on everything, probably
29:58
Speaker 12: with not as much fanfare as we did before the
30:01
Speaker 12: fall of Carble. But you know, it's strange, but they
30:08
Speaker 12: do tolerate news stories, and we have to be careful,
30:12
Speaker 12: of course, and we're not one hundred percent of what
30:14
Speaker 12: we were before were perhaps ninety percent. Nonetheless, you know,
30:20
Speaker 12: I think that they believe they're off the people for
30:22
Speaker 12: the people, so a degree of criticism is tolerated.
30:28
Speaker 1: Now. You mentioned women there, you know, not being able
30:34
Speaker 1: to study for a start, which absolutely your TV programs
30:39
Speaker 1: be invaluable there. When I last was in Carble, I
30:43
Speaker 1: was astonished to see female journalsy I'm pretty sure the
30:48
Speaker 1: one was from your station and face uncovered by the
30:54
Speaker 1: way too, what's the situation now, Are you still allowed
30:57
Speaker 1: to imploy them? Yeah, we employ a lot of women.
31:02
Speaker 12: As a matter of fact, close to a third of
31:04
Speaker 12: our employees are women. We actively recruit, train and employ women.
31:11
Speaker 12: As a matter of fact, we had I think eight
31:14
Speaker 12: women working for our news department in twenty twenty one.
31:18
Speaker 12: Today we have twenty over twenty women.
31:20
Speaker 1: Now, they do have to.
31:21
Speaker 12: Cover their faces, they wear surgical masks to comply with
31:24
Speaker 12: the Taliban edict. Nonetheless, they can report on issues from
31:29
Speaker 12: the field. They're in front of the camera, they're behind
31:32
Speaker 12: the camera, so they remain employed by us for now.
31:39
Speaker 12: You don't know what the situation will be like in
31:41
Speaker 12: a week's time, but for now we're continuing. And you know,
31:44
Speaker 12: the situation is always a lot more nuanced than it's
31:48
Speaker 12: how it's reported outside. You see women on the streets,
31:51
Speaker 12: they drive, as a matter of fact, they you know,
31:54
Speaker 12: in the major cities, they walk around their faces uncovered.
31:58
Speaker 12: And they're even employed by the government. Most of the
32:00
Speaker 12: immigration officers at Carbo Airport are female.
32:03
Speaker 1: For example.
32:05
Speaker 12: But you can't take any of this for granted.
32:09
Speaker 1: This is so interesting because I think you once told me,
32:12
Speaker 1: you know that there was a there's the Taliban. The
32:15
Speaker 1: first time there was a Taliban then, and that's where
32:17
Speaker 1: its image really got seered into the world's consciousness. There's
32:21
Speaker 1: the return Taliban now, but it's gotten now immediate to
32:24
Speaker 1: deal with with satellite dishes and the whole thing. What's
32:28
Speaker 1: the difference now is what is the difference in the
32:32
Speaker 1: Taliban for instance.
32:36
Speaker 12: Well, the Taliban have also have evolved, you know, it's
32:39
Speaker 12: a it's the movement has made up of many young
32:41
Speaker 12: people who use WhatsApp and social media and TikTok and
32:45
Speaker 12: so forth. But the country is also has changed. The
32:49
Speaker 12: presence of the international community for twenty years was transformed
32:52
Speaker 12: it for the country, you have to remember that half
32:54
Speaker 12: the country was not born in two thousand and one.
32:57
Speaker 12: The population has doubled and it is the youngest country
33:01
Speaker 12: outside of Sub Saharan Africa. And this transformed population is
33:06
Speaker 12: a very different one to the one that the Taliban
33:08
Speaker 12: ruled over in the nineteen nineties.
33:13
Speaker 1: And that's in large part, I think from the information
33:17
Speaker 1: a revolution in Afghanistan, and that's in partly due to you.
33:23
Speaker 1: So what hope does that give us? The Taliban's got
33:26
Speaker 1: this image of being fundamentalists, the anti women obviously anti knowledge,
33:31
Speaker 1: anti anti anti But given what you're saying, given the
33:36
Speaker 1: information flow into the country, what hope do we have
33:41
Speaker 1: that the Taliban can reform, that Afghanistan has a good future.
33:48
Speaker 12: I think there's a path that's a very narrow one
33:51
Speaker 12: because while you have some pragmatic Taliban leaders, you also
33:54
Speaker 12: have some very hardcore leaders who do want to take
33:58
Speaker 12: us back to the nineteen ninety So we're not out
34:02
Speaker 12: of the words yet. But in terms of the country,
34:04
Speaker 12: the genies, you know, out of the bottle. It's hard
34:06
Speaker 12: to put back in. The people have changed over the
34:08
Speaker 12: last two decades thanks to the presence of the international
34:12
Speaker 12: community and the billions of dollars that went into the country,
34:15
Speaker 12: you know, in terms of educating people and so forth.
34:18
Speaker 12: So the hope is that engagement, international engagement with the country,
34:23
Speaker 12: perhaps with the Taliban leadership, perhaps with the more pragmatic ones,
34:27
Speaker 12: will create a path of sorts for for the movement
34:32
Speaker 12: to reform from within. And where can we get your book, sir?
34:39
Speaker 12: In all good bookshops, bookstores and on Amazon.
34:42
Speaker 1: I'm sure terrific. Sa Moncenie. I've always been inspired by
34:48
Speaker 1: what you've been doing in Afghanistan. I thought your mission
34:50
Speaker 1: was over when the Taliban returned. I'm even happier to
34:54
Speaker 1: hear that it's not so Thank you so much for
34:57
Speaker 1: your time, thank you for having me on after the break.
35:02
Speaker 1: It's fifty years it's the greatest natural disaster to ever
35:06
Speaker 1: hit an Australian city. I'll talk to the man behind
35:09
Speaker 1: a documentary tonight straight after my show, showing new footage
35:13
Speaker 1: of the day Cyclone trace he destroyed Darwin, and then
35:17
Speaker 1: the extraordinary textbook asking students to list sex acts that excited.
35:25
Speaker 4: Now.
35:25
Speaker 1: It's fifty years since Darwin was hit with the worst
35:28
Speaker 1: natural disaster to ever hit any of our cities. I
35:32
Speaker 1: mean Cyclone Tracy blew most of the city to smithery,
35:36
Speaker 1: sixty six people dead, thousands homeless. I remember the shock
35:40
Speaker 1: it caused the country very well because my own family,
35:42
Speaker 1: just a couple of years earlier lived in Darwin ourselves,
35:45
Speaker 1: although our own house at Rapid Creek Road survived and
35:48
Speaker 1: the fact still stands. Tonight, straight after my show, we
35:52
Speaker 1: will show a special about that day. We've never before
35:56
Speaker 1: seen footage of the carnage. It's made by our Northern
35:59
Speaker 1: Australia correspondent Matt Cunningham, who joins me now Matt Cunningham,
36:03
Speaker 1: the news of the destruction of Darwin came as such
36:07
Speaker 1: a shocks of the country. Certainly is shocked to my family.
36:11
Speaker 1: How bad was it and what happened?
36:16
Speaker 13: Well, the entire city was almost wiped out andrew eighty
36:20
Speaker 13: percent of the buildings in Darwin were pretty much destroyed.
36:24
Speaker 13: We know that sixty six people died, many others were injured,
36:27
Speaker 13: but the damage to the infrastructure was just phenomenal. And
36:31
Speaker 13: as part of this documentary, we've spoken to people survivors
36:36
Speaker 13: who sheltered during Cyclone Tracy.
36:38
Speaker 14: We've heard their stories.
36:40
Speaker 13: We've also heard the stories of those tasked with the
36:44
Speaker 13: evacuation of Cyclone Tracy, which was an incredible feat in itself,
36:48
Speaker 13: and then the reconstruction of Darwin after Cyclone Tracy.
36:52
Speaker 14: So, you know, it is an incredible story.
36:55
Speaker 13: And fifty years on, there's no doubt that the trauma
36:59
Speaker 13: of those six or seven hours on Christmas morning in
37:03
Speaker 13: nineteen seventy four still sit with so many of those survivors.
37:08
Speaker 1: Yes, let's not forget the Christmas angle, because that just
37:12
Speaker 1: compounded the tragedy. People also forget, you know that a
37:15
Speaker 1: lot of people had to be evacuated down south immediately afterwards.
37:18
Speaker 1: They just weren't the shelter or the supplies. I mean,
37:21
Speaker 1: it was just such a massive blow and a massive
37:26
Speaker 1: attempt to try to recover from it.
37:31
Speaker 13: We've got some pretty incredible vision as part of this documentary,
37:34
Speaker 13: and you see, first of all, you see the people
37:37
Speaker 13: gathering at primary school. So you know, you see in
37:40
Speaker 13: some of these vision a huge crowd of people that
37:43
Speaker 13: gathered at lud Miller Primary School, which is just out
37:46
Speaker 13: of the center of Darwin, and they spent days there
37:50
Speaker 13: and basically they were just gathering whatever they could to survive.
37:53
Speaker 13: I mean, people went around to houses and gathered whatever,
37:56
Speaker 13: you know, tinned food that they could find. It was
37:58
Speaker 13: sort of all put in the communal area and then
38:00
Speaker 13: you know, they made sure that everyone was looked after.
38:03
Speaker 13: There was no running water, there was no power, there
38:05
Speaker 13: was no communication barely with the outside world, so that
38:09
Speaker 13: caused its own problems, and then it was a matter
38:12
Speaker 13: of getting people to the airport and getting them flown
38:14
Speaker 13: out of daw And there were forty seven thousand people
38:16
Speaker 13: living in Darwen when Tracy hit in about thirty five
38:20
Speaker 13: thousand of them were evacuated either by road or by air.
38:24
Speaker 13: So it was a huge operation, the largest peacetime evacuation
38:28
Speaker 13: in Australian history in fact in nineteen seventy four.
38:32
Speaker 14: And there were.
38:32
Speaker 13: Incredible scenes as people were rocking up to the airport
38:35
Speaker 13: really with only the shirt on their back and then
38:38
Speaker 13: being flown to basically wherever the plane was going.
38:41
Speaker 14: You know, you got on the plane.
38:42
Speaker 13: It might have been going to Melbourne, it might have
38:44
Speaker 13: been going to Sydney or Brisbane or Perth.
38:45
Speaker 14: So you know, it was just an.
38:48
Speaker 13: Extraordinary set of circumstances, but also a great story of
38:51
Speaker 13: the generosity of Australians. You see you see survivors of
38:55
Speaker 13: Cyclone Tracy arriving in Sydney, arriving in Melbourne, where you know,
38:58
Speaker 13: the Salvation Army is waaiting for them with just table
39:01
Speaker 13: after table of donated goods to give to people who've
39:04
Speaker 13: really arrived with nothing because they don't own anything anymore.
39:09
Speaker 13: It's all been destroyed in the cyclone.
39:12
Speaker 1: Oh look, you make a really good point there. I mean,
39:15
Speaker 1: from my memory that recovery seems to have been amazing
39:19
Speaker 1: and really made a national hero of the head of it.
39:22
Speaker 1: Major General Alan Stretton. Have I remembered that bit right? Well?
39:29
Speaker 14: I think you have.
39:29
Speaker 13: Allan Stretton was named the Australian of the Year in
39:31
Speaker 13: nineteen seventy five, and with good reason. I think you
39:35
Speaker 13: know that evacuation mission cannot be underestimated, the scale of
39:40
Speaker 13: it cannot be underestimated. And then, of course the huge
39:45
Speaker 13: task of rebuilding darw and I think in the very
39:48
Speaker 13: early days after the cyclone hit there were questions asked
39:51
Speaker 13: about whether Darwin would even be rebuilt on.
39:54
Speaker 14: Its existing location.
39:55
Speaker 13: Thankfully it was, and today it's a thriving tropical city
39:59
Speaker 13: home to it more than a hundred and fifty thousand
40:01
Speaker 13: people in the Greater Darwin area. But I think there
40:03
Speaker 13: were some hiccups along the way. I think Alan Stretton
40:05
Speaker 13: and Gough Whitlam had a few decent blues along the
40:08
Speaker 13: way andrew as they tried to work out the best
40:11
Speaker 13: way forward, and there were some concerns along the way
40:14
Speaker 13: as well about the speed with which the rebuild was
40:18
Speaker 13: taking place, but they got there eventually. By nineteen seventy eight,
40:22
Speaker 13: darl And had returned to pre tracy population levels and
40:26
Speaker 13: our populations about three times that today, and hopefully still growing.
40:31
Speaker 1: Yes, Scoff Whitner was the Prime minister at the time.
40:33
Speaker 1: It's a really resilient city. I love Darwen. It's terrific.
40:37
Speaker 1: It's got the vabrancy still around. I mean looking around now,
40:40
Speaker 1: you'd hardly know that such a testrophe had happened. And
40:43
Speaker 1: thank heavens, I mean knock on wood. No cyclone since
40:48
Speaker 1: in the fifty years the spoked global warming they just
40:50
Speaker 1: had that. Matt, congratulations on this documentary. It's fascinating. I've
40:55
Speaker 1: seeing some of the footage and your documentary Cyclone Tracy
40:59
Speaker 1: fifty years on. It will premiere at eight pm straight
41:02
Speaker 1: after my show. Thanks for your time.
41:06
Speaker 14: Thanks Andrew.
41:09
Speaker 1: Of course we're goen say no cyclone since none that
41:10
Speaker 1: are flattened Darwin. After the break the textbook for year
41:15
Speaker 1: ten students asking them too, this is their sexual fantasies.
41:23
Speaker 1: I've just seen the most amazing handbook for year ten
41:25
Speaker 1: students at an affluent and woke independent school in New
41:28
Speaker 1: South Wales, the Hunter Valley Grammar School. You take this
41:32
Speaker 1: question to write down as many sex acts as you
41:37
Speaker 1: can think of, and then write down a list of
41:41
Speaker 1: sex acts you're excited to try. Now the handbook actually
41:45
Speaker 1: suggests quite a few which I won't listen on TV
41:48
Speaker 1: Join me a Daniel Wilde, Deputy executive director and the
41:50
Speaker 1: Institute of Public Affairs, and James Ferston from the late
41:52
Speaker 1: Debate here on Sky News. James, we contacted the school
41:57
Speaker 1: and said, what about this book. We're not going to comment.
42:00
Speaker 1: They said, have you got the book? We're not going
42:01
Speaker 1: to come and un answering any questions. So I don't know.
42:04
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't even use it anymore. I do not know.
42:08
Speaker 1: But really a book asking students to write down sex
42:11
Speaker 1: acts and say which excite them? This is what you
42:14
Speaker 1: expect them to want from school?
42:17
Speaker 14: Andrew.
42:18
Speaker 3: What I expect is when I drop my child off
42:20
Speaker 3: at school, they're going to learn English, geography, some history.
42:24
Speaker 3: I also expect that if they are taught anything outside
42:27
Speaker 3: the regular standard curriculum, that I will be not only notified,
42:32
Speaker 3: but I will be required to give consent before anything
42:36
Speaker 3: outside of the curriculum is taught to my child. And
42:39
Speaker 3: as for what I want, well, I want schools to
42:42
Speaker 3: respect my role as a parent. There are certain things
42:46
Speaker 3: parents talk to their kids about no one else has
42:48
Speaker 3: any business doing. So I want them to respect the
42:51
Speaker 3: innocence of my child.
42:53
Speaker 14: These kids are in year ten, many of.
42:56
Speaker 3: Them would never have had conversations like this before. The
42:59
Speaker 3: school should respect that, not take the innocence of children away. Third,
43:03
Speaker 3: I want them to respect the fact that different families
43:06
Speaker 3: have different values. It could be ethics, it could be
43:08
Speaker 3: religious values. But respect the fact that some families would
43:12
Speaker 3: be very uncomfortable with this. And finally, they should respect
43:16
Speaker 3: basic levels of decency. If I went up to a
43:19
Speaker 3: teenager at a shopping center and ask these exact same questions,
43:23
Speaker 3: I would get a punch in the face from the
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Speaker 3: child's father, deservedly so, and or have the police called.
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Speaker 3: But somehow, because these exact questions are asked in the
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Speaker 3: context of a classroom, somehow it's okay. The person who
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Speaker 3: delivered this lesson should not be working in education. And
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Speaker 3: I don't know how a principal who allows things to
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Speaker 3: happen when they have a duty of care could survive
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Speaker 3: something like this either.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, for all I know, the principle has put
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Speaker 1: it straight in the waste paper bin, as I don't
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Speaker 1: know ha thrown it away. If only they would talk
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Speaker 1: to us, we would know more. But they won't. But
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Speaker 1: Daniel it does put the teacher in the classroom in
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Speaker 1: a very very awkward position if they're working off this
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Speaker 1: book and discussing sex acts with the children as seem
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Speaker 1: to listen their favorite ones. Well, that's right.
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Speaker 15: I mean, it's no wonder why teachers are leaving the
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Speaker 15: professor in droves, Andrew. I mean, in addition to everything
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Speaker 15: that James just outlined, this is an issue for the teachers.
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Speaker 15: We know that there's many other issues in the classroom,
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Speaker 15: behavioral issues that they're trying to deal with, and many
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Speaker 15: other issues besides. But I also think this is a
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Speaker 15: dagger in the heart of the national curriculum because this
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Speaker 15: is not just an isolated example. There are many examples
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Speaker 15: of this across schools across Australia, and it takes place
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Speaker 15: in the context of rapidly declining results, whether it's NAP Plan,
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Speaker 15: whether it's the international PISA results. And it's not as
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Speaker 15: if we're not spending enough money. There's more money from
44:46
Speaker 15: taxpayers than ever before going into our schools, but results
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Speaker 15: go down, and that's because we have this kind of
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Speaker 15: content that's taught. This is the role of parents, Andrew.
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Speaker 15: Parents should be talking with their children about these issues.
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Speaker 15: It should not be a part of the classroom. As
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Speaker 15: James outlines, parents are informed and give consent to this.
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Speaker 1: I would not want any adult that I didn't know
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Speaker 1: very very well, and probably none at all, talking to
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Speaker 1: my children about that sort of thing. I just know
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Speaker 1: that's not on I showed earlier in the show, James
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Speaker 1: senatively thought ripping up a paper, which a motion paper,
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Speaker 1: by pauling hands and then throwing it near her or
45:25
Speaker 1: at her, it's not clear from this angle than flipping
45:30
Speaker 1: the bird laboring. The Opposition have now agreed to suspend
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Speaker 1: her from Parliament for the rest of the week, given
45:37
Speaker 1: her a recent abuse of people or yelling out in
45:39
Speaker 1: Parliament or yelling at King Charles. Honestly, the race badge
45:44
Speaker 1: she comes up with, should more be done, or is
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Speaker 1: the must of the people's will in choosing her, such
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Speaker 1: as they do in the Senate election, be respected?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think more should be done. However, I'm going
45:58
Speaker 3: to beg that nothing more be done done, that she'd
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Speaker 3: be allowed to stay in the Senate and remind Australians
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Speaker 3: every day. This is a sort of behavior that the
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Speaker 3: Greens love and that the Greens applaud. I note that
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Speaker 3: the Greens did not vote to censure her for this behavior.
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Speaker 3: Now she's no longer with the Greens, but the Greens
46:15
Speaker 3: were the ones who put her there in the first place,
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Speaker 3: So leave her there to remind us all what the
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Speaker 3: Greens are about. But Andrew just quickly, could you imagine
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Speaker 3: if it was a white senator who did that to
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Speaker 3: an indigenous senator? Or could you imagine if it was
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Speaker 3: a man who did it to a woman. Could you
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Speaker 3: imagine the absolute fury. But somehow, because Lydia Thorpe is
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Speaker 3: an Indigenous woman, she gets away with behavior that no
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Speaker 3: one else would possibly ever get away with.
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Speaker 1: Daniel, what is the issue here? Because the behavior is
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Speaker 1: appalling James's say in Parliament, maybe it's a right. But
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Speaker 1: the point then isn't it that the risk is legitimizing
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Speaker 1: her and journalists I think should be more aggressive in
46:56
Speaker 1: questioning her racial baiting of people, and you know, I'm
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Speaker 1: a black person, all that kind of stuff. There should
47:02
Speaker 1: be more scrutiny of it.
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Speaker 15: Well, I agree, Andrew, and this is I think quite serious.
47:10
Speaker 15: Because the Senate is a house of review. Each job
47:13
Speaker 15: is to undertake serious deliberations about legislation that's passed through
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Speaker 15: the lower House. It's also there to represent the States.
47:21
Speaker 15: It's a state chamber. There's very important word that takes
47:24
Speaker 15: place in the Senate. We've seen misinformation laws, we've got
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Speaker 15: the proposed ban on under sixteens using social media, many
47:29
Speaker 15: other important issues. Besides, we need to make sure that
47:32
Speaker 15: we have the best high scale of the people going
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Speaker 15: into Parliament, regardless of what side of politics you are on.
47:37
Speaker 15: Because our nation is facing so many significant challenges, I
47:41
Speaker 15: feel that we're very ill equipped to deal with those challenges.
47:45
Speaker 15: And Australians look at this and they begin to wonder,
47:48
Speaker 15: do our political representatives really have our nation's interests at
47:52
Speaker 15: heart or is this what goes on. We don't want
47:54
Speaker 15: our parliament to be turned into a circus, and Senator
47:58
Speaker 15: thought should be suspended, and I think for much longer
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Speaker 15: than what she has been.
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Speaker 1: I think probably much longer. I'll tell you what, It
48:06
Speaker 1: will be a circus if she tomorrow and who would
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Speaker 1: ever put it past her, will try to flow flout
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Speaker 1: this band and enter the chamber, which means she would
48:16
Speaker 1: have to be physically dragged out. So stand by for that.
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Speaker 1: I think there will be steps taken to make sure
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Speaker 1: that doesn't happen on camera, but this is so embarrassing
48:26
Speaker 1: for Aboriginal Austrains to have someone like this claiming to
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Speaker 1: represent them. That's it from me, jameson First and Daniel Wilde,
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Speaker 1: thanks for your time and that's the end of the show.
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