Latest / Moser, Lombardi and Kane / 8-10-26 Hour 1 - Halfway(ish) through Broncos camp/The Brees-Payton Relationship/Bad News Bills
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- 0:18Speaker 2: Yeah, we're still working through that, Sean, and I I
- 0:21Speaker 2: would like to be on the field. Is where I'm
- 0:23Speaker 2: at today. I didn't play much my NFL career. I
- 0:26Speaker 2: kind of saw the game a lot from that point
- 0:27Speaker 2: of view, so I feel pretty good there. But you know,
- 0:30Speaker 2: we'll talk about a little bit more. But that's where
- 0:31Speaker 2: we're headed right now.
- 0:34Speaker 3: Training camp coverage on Altitude Sports Radio ninety two five
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- 0:45Speaker 3: another day out here. I was about to get steamrolled
- 0:47Speaker 3: a second ago.
- 0:48Speaker 4: But another day. Isn't this your first day?
- 0:51Speaker 5: Second?
- 0:52Speaker 4: Not another day?
- 0:54Speaker 5: You know? What?
- 0:55Speaker 4: What are you?
- 0:55Speaker 5: Who's talking you?
- 0:57Speaker 4: Just half the week?
- 0:57Speaker 5: Two?
- 0:58Speaker 3: Yeah?
- 0:58Speaker 5: My ass is here the entire time count.
- 1:03Speaker 3: You know what's great about this year and where you're at?
- 1:07Speaker 3: And I was surprised in watching the Hall of Fame
- 1:09Speaker 3: game on Thursday, And I think it's also true with
- 1:12Speaker 3: Broncos camp every year, it always feels like.
- 1:17Speaker 5: Gosh, the offense needs to catch out the defense just
- 1:19Speaker 5: so much better offenses are rolling, and it's been rolling here.
- 1:22Speaker 5: I think they've made a point offensively to get things
- 1:26Speaker 5: going this year. I think they've made a change to
- 1:30Speaker 5: the setup on the way they run camp. They wanted
- 1:33Speaker 5: to get the offense sparked, right, maybe not as many,
- 1:36Speaker 5: who knows.
- 1:36Speaker 4: Maybe Davis Webb has something to do.
- 1:38Speaker 3: With that, Sure they could. I think a lot of
- 1:40Speaker 3: it has to do with though. And I was thinking
- 1:42Speaker 3: about this because we'll get to some of the audio
- 1:45Speaker 3: from the Hall of Fame and what Drew Brees said
- 1:48Speaker 3: about Sean Payton.
- 1:49Speaker 5: And which is very touching. Well, I actually have a.
- 1:51Speaker 3: Lot to say on that, because there's this huge thought
- 1:55Speaker 3: in sports that if you're a great athlete or you're
- 1:59Speaker 3: super successful, that your success is linear, that it would
- 2:01Speaker 3: apply no matter what. And I just don't think that's
- 2:05Speaker 3: the case. Like I think you can giggling about giggly.
- 2:09Speaker 5: Because I'm looking at our twitch stream, our YouTube stream,
- 2:12Speaker 5: and Nelly's in it, Moser's in it, I'm in it,
- 2:15Speaker 5: and you're not. Well.
- 2:16Speaker 3: I was just asking Jesse, I was like, it feels
- 2:18Speaker 3: like I'm totally out of frame, but he goes well, because.
- 2:21Speaker 4: Nelly is too prominent. Nelly, Well, why are you like?
- 2:25Speaker 4: It took himself off?
- 2:27Speaker 5: Oh now I'm in frame, So now it's fine. I
- 2:29Speaker 5: don't know.
- 2:30Speaker 4: Look at me, Brett, I'm the captain.
- 2:31Speaker 5: Now you go away for a week.
- 2:33Speaker 4: Your boy's gonna get some screen time.
- 2:35Speaker 5: Here's what I tell you.
- 2:36Speaker 3: People think success in sports is linear, that no matter what,
- 2:39Speaker 3: if you're a great athlete, Like if Michael Jordan played
- 2:42Speaker 3: for you know, the Phoenix Suns instead of the Bulls,
- 2:44Speaker 3: he was always gonna be Michael Jordan. And I've always
- 2:46Speaker 3: pushed against that. I just don't think that's the case.
- 2:48Speaker 3: But it's about structure. And so in the argument of structure,
- 2:54Speaker 3: why could things look better at to be in a camp?
- 2:57Speaker 3: Why is Davis Webbin maybe a better position and most
- 3:00Speaker 3: people taking over as a first time offensive coordinator? Well
- 3:02Speaker 3: how about this motion? Yeah, that you've been here, good point.
- 3:07Speaker 3: You're dealing with the same things that you've dealt with.
- 3:09Speaker 3: You aren't taking a holistic change to the offense. You're
- 3:12Speaker 3: putting your tweaks on a system that's already there.
- 3:14Speaker 5: Sure, I would say though, that the defense has had
- 3:17Speaker 5: the better of the offense so far in this camp
- 3:20Speaker 5: that's been the case and in fact, right and then
- 3:22Speaker 5: last Thursday, bowen Nick's especially with you know, half his
- 3:26Speaker 5: wideouts out at one point through another, was a little frustrated.
- 3:30Speaker 5: But they're gonna get there. It's gonna be no problem.
- 3:31Speaker 5: I couldn't help but think you're talking about the Hall
- 3:33Speaker 5: of Fame game. Every quarterback in that game who touched
- 3:36Speaker 5: the football had a pretty damn good game, including Hayn's King, Right,
- 3:40Speaker 5: But I couldn't help but think, oh, look, Carson Beck
- 3:42Speaker 5: through the big around the yard, and Brett's head's probably
- 3:45Speaker 5: falling off right now because he's not a Carson Beck
- 3:47Speaker 5: kind of guy, but uh, he played well, you know,
- 3:50Speaker 5: and these young quarterbacks they're coming in. They Carson Beck's
- 3:53Speaker 5: not young, he's about forty seven.
- 3:55Speaker 4: That's a good point.
- 3:56Speaker 5: Good point, they're coming in because he played one how
- 3:58Speaker 5: many years years of college football for coming in perhaps
- 4:02Speaker 5: a little bit more prepared and ready to go. But
- 4:04Speaker 5: but you're right, Brett, they're gonna catch up just fine.
- 4:07Speaker 5: You know the interesting thing about camp here we are
- 4:09Speaker 5: now two weeks in and well, knock on wood, there's
- 4:14Speaker 5: been only one devastating injury Matt heningson defensive lineman who
- 4:18Speaker 5: went down with an achilles.
- 4:19Speaker 4: I mean, how brutal for that.
- 4:20Speaker 5: That's a reserve defensive lineman who will miss the entire season.
- 4:24Speaker 5: To the day of his season jury last year, the
- 4:27Speaker 5: other achilles, same deal to you know, to lose a guy,
- 4:32Speaker 5: it's going to happen. What is that about, the same
- 4:34Speaker 5: thing happened to Tim Patrick. Remember, yep, it was almost
- 4:37Speaker 5: to the day that he got injured again with compensations.
- 4:40Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know what it is. I
- 4:41Speaker 5: mean sometimes and your body is not meant to do that.
- 4:45Speaker 5: He is going to miss another season. But we've seen
- 4:47Speaker 5: some other irritable injuries, not the kind that are devastating.
- 4:51Speaker 5: You know, Marvin Mims is going to miss some time.
- 4:52Speaker 5: Of course, Jaylen Waddle with some muscle issues, he's gonna
- 4:56Speaker 5: miss some time.
- 4:57Speaker 4: Uh.
- 4:57Speaker 5: These are guys that will come back. You will see
- 5:00Speaker 5: them on the field again, thankfully.
- 5:02Speaker 4: You just do it.
- 5:03Speaker 5: If you feel like you're tight, get the hell off
- 5:06Speaker 5: the field. There's no reason to pull any muscles here.
- 5:09Speaker 5: Here's my question with even though they're minor injuries here
- 5:13Speaker 5: early in camp, does this stop you from playing guys
- 5:16Speaker 5: like Jalen Model at all in the preseason because Sean
- 5:18Speaker 5: Payton loves to play his starters at least a little bit.
- 5:21Speaker 5: Atlanta is preseason game number one this Friday night, so
- 5:25Speaker 5: they're only gonna practice three times this week. They're closing
- 5:29Speaker 5: Wednesday's practice to the public. By the way, if you
- 5:31Speaker 5: haven't heard that yet, we will not be here on Wednesday.
- 5:34Speaker 5: That is a closed practice before they fly out to
- 5:37Speaker 5: Atlanta on Thursday. The other thing that's gonna happen this week,
- 5:40Speaker 5: and everybody looks forward to this.
- 5:41Speaker 4: I don't know what to.
- 5:42Speaker 5: Make of it, but every year, before the first game,
- 5:45Speaker 5: it's either gonna be today or tomorrow, the very first
- 5:48Speaker 5: depth chart comes out. Yeah, and I'm I'm eager to
- 5:52Speaker 5: see what's on that depth start. Who do you think
- 5:54Speaker 5: will be looked at as the number two quarterback?
- 5:57Speaker 4: I think it'll still be still. I think it'll still
- 5:59Speaker 4: be stilling.
- 6:00Speaker 3: That is there the most interesting thing? Well, to me,
- 6:02Speaker 3: it is, well, go ahead, go ahead much.
- 6:04Speaker 5: Sorry, No, I'm just saying that that I don't think
- 6:06Speaker 5: there's gonna be anything that comes out that I'm gonna
- 6:08Speaker 5: be surprised about at all. Maybe if you're talking about
- 6:12Speaker 5: not even fifth wide out right. I guess the the
- 6:15Speaker 5: pecking order of the tight ends would be interesting to me.
- 6:18Speaker 5: But I don't expect, you know, anything to change from
- 6:21Speaker 5: Ingram to Troutman to you know, all the way down
- 6:23Speaker 5: the line. So I'm I'm not gonna be really surprised.
- 6:26Speaker 5: I suppose a defensive line, you know, how is that
- 6:29Speaker 5: going to be? Looking?
- 6:30Speaker 4: Where does the rookie defensive lineman fit in?
- 6:32Speaker 5: Okay?
- 6:33Speaker 4: But mostly everything's pretty much known.
- 6:36Speaker 5: Where is Jay Barron going to be listed on the
- 6:39Speaker 5: depth chart? Back up?
- 6:40Speaker 4: Nicol? Is Jonah Coleman going to be the number two
- 6:43Speaker 4: or three?
- 6:44Speaker 5: Third run? Third running? You're making your predictions. When we
- 6:47Speaker 5: see this depth chart, we'll have a better understanding. And
- 6:50Speaker 5: here's what's gonna happen to. Sean Payton's gonna say, don't
- 6:52Speaker 5: make anything of the depth chart, but somebody's got to
- 6:54Speaker 5: put it together where some know how when you're putting
- 6:57Speaker 5: it together, I think Pat Bryant man is moving on up.
- 7:00Speaker 5: Pat Bryant, by the way, you've missed that opening week.
- 7:02Speaker 5: He's had a great week. Well, yam, here's the thing,
- 7:05Speaker 5: and it's what I've wondered about the wide receivers. This
- 7:07Speaker 5: entire time. Are they willing to just stack at five deep?
- 7:12Speaker 5: Are they willing to do it?
- 7:13Speaker 3: Because they had a similar situation a couple of years
- 7:15Speaker 3: ago and they weren't. They traded Devon Vle because they
- 7:18Speaker 3: were like, well, if we have this many good guys
- 7:20Speaker 3: and you're fifth on the chart, well we can get
- 7:22Speaker 3: some value out of it.
- 7:23Speaker 5: Now, they're gonna play five guys, and little Jordan Hupeh,
- 7:26Speaker 5: you'll probably start on practice squad and be reactivated. You
- 7:29Speaker 5: don't cut reactivated that stuff. Yeah, they're gonna go five guys.
- 7:32Speaker 5: It'll be Mims, Wattle, Sutton, Bryant, and uh Franklin.
- 7:36Speaker 4: Franklin. That's it. There's your guys.
- 7:39Speaker 3: I think, well, look, Pat Bryant is and has always
- 7:44Speaker 3: felt to me body type. The way he kind of plays,
- 7:49Speaker 3: it feels like future Courtland Sutton insurance. You know Courtland
- 7:52Speaker 3: Sutton's on the other side of thirty. I don't, and
- 7:54Speaker 3: he still plays great, the guy who high points the
- 7:57Speaker 3: ball exactly. I don't know you know when when his
- 8:01Speaker 3: peak game is going to start to dwindle, but it
- 8:03Speaker 3: feels like whenever that does happen this year, next year,
- 8:07Speaker 3: two years, three years from now, whatever, do you know
- 8:08Speaker 3: how many.
- 8:09Speaker 5: Touchdowns Pat Brightt had last year as a Bronco. I
- 8:13Speaker 5: don't one more than you. So he's got some numbers
- 8:16Speaker 5: to go get. Yes, he was mainly used. Let's be honest,
- 8:19Speaker 5: last year, how many times was he applauded and praised
- 8:22Speaker 5: for his blocking? He was.
- 8:27Speaker 3: The weird thing though, what I want to see what
- 8:29Speaker 3: he finished with cause he had two concussions in the
- 8:33Speaker 3: last month of the season. So he finished with thirty
- 8:35Speaker 3: one catches for three hundred and seventy eight yards and
- 8:38Speaker 3: one touchdown. It did feel like more productive than that.
- 8:43Speaker 5: He made an impact in the screen game. Yeah, he
- 8:46Speaker 5: made an impact again in the blocking game. That's that
- 8:49Speaker 5: was his impact. This is gonna be his year that
- 8:51Speaker 5: he moves up a little bit. Well there, and there's
- 8:53Speaker 5: a number I saw surrounding touch my volume, I did.
- 8:58Speaker 4: You will not.
- 9:00Speaker 5: You know, when you.
- 9:02Speaker 4: Touch my volume, I'll touch yours. Yeah.
- 9:05Speaker 5: I just touched your knob. You can touch my knob.
- 9:07Speaker 5: I just touched your knap. Do not touch my knob ever, Vic,
- 9:12Speaker 5: you know what what it feels like me and I
- 9:14Speaker 5: know I know you arrived a little late.
- 9:16Speaker 4: He just shows up.
- 9:17Speaker 5: I'm in the middle of a of a point I'm
- 9:19Speaker 5: making and he touches my knob and turns my volume
- 9:22Speaker 5: down because unfortunately, today and I'm sitting on this side,
- 9:25Speaker 5: I'm in the middle of a point. It feels like
- 9:27Speaker 5: your voice is an ice pick that's stabbing me right
- 9:31Speaker 5: in my right ear hole. Well, you missed me for
- 9:33Speaker 5: two days last week, thank you. So you're not used
- 9:36Speaker 5: to me coming back with valid points and assessments. I'm
- 9:38Speaker 5: not used to all this shouting and all this round.
- 9:42Speaker 3: You know what number I saw over the weekend, by
- 9:44Speaker 3: the way, is most receiving yards on third and fourth
- 9:46Speaker 3: down in twenty twenty five. You know who led the
- 9:48Speaker 3: land Sutton did and it wasn't close. He had five
- 9:52Speaker 3: hundred and seven of that. That's why he will be
- 9:54Speaker 3: He will catch more passes than any Broncos.
- 9:56Speaker 5: Receiver this year again. Yeah, because he is the security plank. Yeah.
- 9:59Speaker 5: We had the big discussion about that Raj and I
- 10:01Speaker 5: last week. He's all jaalen wallle this jaala walla that
- 10:03Speaker 5: I said, Dude, Sutton is still going to get the
- 10:06Speaker 5: most catches. He's gonna get the most targets. That is
- 10:09Speaker 5: that is a given. Now Waddle's gonna get his fair share,
- 10:12Speaker 5: but Cortland Sutton is still going to be the main focus.
- 10:17Speaker 3: I do think though there's a separation between volume and
- 10:22Speaker 3: when the touches come. I don't think there's any question
- 10:25Speaker 3: when you need to make something happen. Courtland Sutton's still
- 10:28Speaker 3: going to be the guy that you look at because
- 10:31Speaker 3: he's huge, because he's six foot four target and to
- 10:34Speaker 3: his benefit now with a legitimate threat opposite of him
- 10:37Speaker 3: on the other side of the field, he can't get
- 10:39Speaker 3: picked on by a defense and get double strown out
- 10:42Speaker 3: of that.
- 10:42Speaker 5: It's just basic science. I mean, if you got guys
- 10:46Speaker 5: coming to get you as a quarterback and you have
- 10:49Speaker 5: a second to throw the ball, you're gonna throw it to.
- 10:51Speaker 4: The big guy.
- 10:51Speaker 3: He can go up and get it right. It's pretty easy. Yeah,
- 10:55Speaker 3: no question. Five hundred and seven yards on third and
- 10:58Speaker 3: fourth down. But going back to the Davis Web part
- 11:01Speaker 3: of things, and Davis Webb spoke over the weekend, we
- 11:05Speaker 3: will get some audio from him in a second. The
- 11:11Speaker 3: benefit that he has is, remember, this is a guy
- 11:15Speaker 3: that interviewed for head coaching jobs over the offseason. I
- 11:18Speaker 3: don't know if he was offered one turned it down,
- 11:20Speaker 3: Like there was some weird stuff that was going on
- 11:22Speaker 3: with the Raiders when he was interviewing with them, but
- 11:24Speaker 3: stayed here. And I think it was under the promise
- 11:26Speaker 3: that Sean Payton was going to give up this play sheet.
- 11:29Speaker 5: But I'll go back to it.
- 11:31Speaker 3: I think that the benefit that he has more than
- 11:34Speaker 3: anything else. He doesn't need to make an offense. He
- 11:39Speaker 3: has an offense ye with the exact same starting eleven
- 11:43Speaker 3: add in Jalen Waddle and he's like, all I gotta
- 11:46Speaker 3: do is put some touches on this thing.
- 11:48Speaker 5: You know, It's funny. The only analogy that comes to mind.
- 11:51Speaker 5: He doesn't need to make the whole pizza. It's a
- 11:53Speaker 5: frozen pizza. He's the microwave. Yeah, now you know, do.
- 11:58Speaker 4: You like that?
- 11:59Speaker 5: Well, well you put I thought it was okay, Yeah,
- 12:03Speaker 5: you gotta put it. Yeah, you got to take the
- 12:05Speaker 5: wrap off, you got to put it right on the
- 12:06Speaker 5: c put it on a cookie sheet already.
- 12:10Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 12:10Speaker 5: And he's gonna have his mom over his shoulder just
- 12:13Speaker 5: watching seeing how many minutes he's going to leave it
- 12:16Speaker 5: in therefore looking for the browning.
- 12:17Speaker 4: When it gets brown. I don't know how you guy,
- 12:19Speaker 4: what said.
- 12:20Speaker 5: Brownie's browning of the crush.
- 12:23Speaker 4: That's what it says on the instructions.
- 12:26Speaker 5: I like to look through the little window. You turn
- 12:28Speaker 5: the light on, look at the little window, and then
- 12:30Speaker 5: see a little percolation in the middle.
- 12:31Speaker 4: And then they cross browning. Then I'm then I'm pretty good.
- 12:34Speaker 5: Because there's nothing worse. When you overcook, that's the worst.
- 12:37Speaker 5: I forget about it.
- 12:38Speaker 3: And you're like, oh, you'll make an admission to you.
- 12:41Speaker 3: I have never looked through the window of my oven.
- 12:44Speaker 3: I never always opened it.
- 12:46Speaker 4: You're releasing heat when you do that.
- 12:47Speaker 5: You know that, you know. I know you don't care.
- 12:49Speaker 5: I know you don't care.
- 12:50Speaker 4: That's fine.
- 12:50Speaker 5: Well, but there's a there's a there's a there's a button.
- 12:53Speaker 5: You can turn the light on and look from the outside,
- 12:56Speaker 5: you know that, right.
- 12:56Speaker 3: One thing I fund five eight and shrinking, Okay, so
- 12:59Speaker 3: it's hard for me to look down.
- 13:00Speaker 5: There's no reason to make a shot. One one thing
- 13:03Speaker 5: I fundamentally believe in. Though when it says preheat the
- 13:07Speaker 5: oven to four to twenty five, I ain't got time
- 13:09Speaker 5: for that. I don't do it. I ain't got time.
- 13:11Speaker 5: That thing's going in, yeah, and I'm turning the oven
- 13:14Speaker 5: on and it's gonna work on my clock. I just
- 13:16Speaker 5: I don't work on its clock.
- 13:17Speaker 3: Literally just did this the other day. I was heating
- 13:19Speaker 3: out some chicken nuggies for baby Jamal Kale. Wait for
- 13:24Speaker 3: the oven to preheat. I'm not waiting for four to twenty.
- 13:28Speaker 5: There, I'll give it an extra minute. I mean, it'll
- 13:31Speaker 5: be fine. What kind of crazy person waits around? If
- 13:35Speaker 5: you're baking a cake, you gotta wait for it. If
- 13:37Speaker 5: you're baking, you have to wait. If I'm warming up
- 13:39Speaker 5: some food, I'm not.
- 13:39Speaker 4: Waiting for that thing to preheat.
- 13:41Speaker 5: Get the hell ou? So Davis Webb has that pizza
- 13:44Speaker 5: in the oven? And what do you think he's doing
- 13:47Speaker 5: with this offense this year? Do you think he's adding
- 13:50Speaker 5: ingredients to I'm sure he's putting his own spin on it.
- 13:54Speaker 5: It's not his playbook, though. With Sean Payton's playbook, he's
- 13:58Speaker 5: just gonna be calling out of it.
- 13:59Speaker 3: I don't I don't know his own, I'm sure, but
- 14:02Speaker 3: listen the skeletons there.
- 14:04Speaker 5: Sean Payton's playbook is like a New York City phone book.
- 14:07Speaker 5: Do you know why it's pat Do you know why
- 14:08Speaker 5: Davis Webb has the play calling duties?
- 14:11Speaker 4: Because he's as spicy as Sean Payton.
- 14:13Speaker 5: I had the opportunity to visit with Davis Webb during
- 14:17Speaker 5: right after the draft, the Broncos Draft. I went to
- 14:19Speaker 5: this little party deal and he was there, and I
- 14:23Speaker 5: love the way he approaches just coach speak. Yeah, you
- 14:26Speaker 5: could tell. You could tell he's not afraid. He doesn't
- 14:29Speaker 5: back down to anybody, including his coach.
- 14:32Speaker 4: And there's a.
- 14:32Speaker 5: Degree that that his coach loves. Right, I'm sure his
- 14:35Speaker 5: coach loves that that if he says that was a
- 14:37Speaker 5: stupid play, Davis Webb will says something back and then
- 14:41Speaker 5: they're not gonna get into it. But they're not gonna
- 14:43Speaker 5: back down either, No, And I think that's the reason
- 14:45Speaker 5: he's gonna be calling plays well here from him in
- 14:47Speaker 5: just a little bit.
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- 15:04Speaker 5: Uh, hold on a second, and now he pulled out
- 15:06Speaker 5: the cracker for a bump.
- 15:07Speaker 4: I like that, man, what a go Nelly.
- 15:11Speaker 5: Here's ah, here's something that's always fascinated me.
- 15:15Speaker 3: There's a few things in sports that I just don't
- 15:17Speaker 3: think people understand, and one of them is just because
- 15:22Speaker 3: somebody is great, just because they're incredibly good at what
- 15:25Speaker 3: they do, does not mean they would always be as
- 15:29Speaker 3: good as they are in every different situation. If Tom
- 15:32Speaker 3: Brady wasn't a Patriot, maybe he's not Tom Brady. If
- 15:34Speaker 3: Michael Jordan wasn't a Bull, maybe he's.
- 15:36Speaker 5: Hanging on Globo will hold on his second. As far
- 15:39Speaker 5: as MG is concerned, you know whose coach was when
- 15:41Speaker 5: he came into the league, and he was still he
- 15:43Speaker 5: was killer as a rookie, and beyond Doug Collins was
- 15:46Speaker 5: was a coach. Phil Jackson didn't come along untill later.
- 15:48Speaker 5: So if we want to talk about triangles and Pippin
- 15:50Speaker 5: and everything else, Jordan would have been great playing for
- 15:52Speaker 5: the Utah. He would He would have been great. But
- 15:55Speaker 5: maybe he doesn't have six titles, maybe he has four,
- 16:00Speaker 5: maybe he has two. Okay, that's all I'm saying. Okay,
- 16:02Speaker 5: you're right, Okay, but he would have been the same player,
- 16:04Speaker 5: And that's what I'm saying.
- 16:05Speaker 3: The example I always point to is you know, like
- 16:09Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford didn't become a better quarterback when he got
- 16:11Speaker 3: to LA.
- 16:13Speaker 5: He was part of a better organization, right.
- 16:17Speaker 3: And I remember early in Sean Payton's tenure here when
- 16:21Speaker 3: things weren't going well as the Russell Wilson year. I
- 16:23Speaker 3: think they started one in five, they had the game
- 16:25Speaker 3: they give up seventy to Miami, and it's like, well,
- 16:27Speaker 3: Sean Payton's only good because he had a Hall of
- 16:30Speaker 3: Fame quarterback. And you go just dismissing the idea that
- 16:33Speaker 3: he's not at least in part responsible for the success
- 16:36Speaker 3: of Drew Brees is foolish. It's silly because Drew Brees,
- 16:39Speaker 3: you have an example he played elsewhere before that and
- 16:42Speaker 3: he didn't play to that level in San Diego.
- 16:45Speaker 5: And if you want.
- 16:45Speaker 3: Any further proof of how much Drew Brees feels like
- 16:49Speaker 3: he's a part of his success, listen to this.
- 16:52Speaker 6: To Sean Payton, I miss our dot meetings coach the
- 17:04Speaker 6: night before every game, talking through every play, every situation,
- 17:08Speaker 6: every matchup in the greatest of detail. I would literally
- 17:11Speaker 6: ask Sean, hey, coach, when do you think you'll call
- 17:14Speaker 6: this play? He would squint his eyes and purse his lips.
- 17:17Speaker 5: You know that look.
- 17:20Speaker 6: Second quarter across midfield, probably forty seven yard line, second
- 17:24Speaker 6: and ten left, hash left middle. Maybe they'll never expect it. Precise,
- 17:30Speaker 6: instinctive coach, you were brilliant. I saw myself as an
- 17:36Speaker 6: extension of you on that field. I always had something
- 17:41Speaker 6: to prove to you, and I always wanted to make
- 17:44Speaker 6: you right, and I know you trusted me, and that
- 17:48Speaker 6: allowed us both to be great.
- 17:50Speaker 5: That's a Hall of Fame quarter like breaking down in
- 17:53Speaker 5: tears over his appreciation of his head coach.
- 17:55Speaker 4: You know what, And it got me back to thinking.
- 18:00Speaker 5: Played sports at some level, and we've all had those
- 18:02Speaker 5: coaches who at the time we just didn't like.
- 18:06Speaker 4: For whatever reason.
- 18:07Speaker 5: Maybe they were too abrasive, Maybe they disciplined you when.
- 18:10Speaker 4: You thought you deserve better.
- 18:12Speaker 5: Maybe you didn't get the playing time you wanted, maybe
- 18:14Speaker 5: you didn't like the style.
- 18:16Speaker 4: I don't know.
- 18:17Speaker 5: But then in hindsight, years later, you look back and say,
- 18:19Speaker 5: damn it, that was the best thing that ever happened
- 18:21Speaker 5: to me.
- 18:21Speaker 4: I don't know if you had a coach like that,
- 18:23Speaker 4: I did.
- 18:23Speaker 5: I had one that shaped my life, to be honest
- 18:25Speaker 5: with you, But and again in the present, you don't
- 18:29Speaker 5: know what you have in the past. You're like, gosh,
- 18:32Speaker 5: that was great, and I think Drew Brees is going
- 18:34Speaker 5: through that right now. I'm sure there were times where
- 18:36Speaker 5: he and Sean hated each other.
- 18:38Speaker 3: Well, they didn't have And here's one thing that I
- 18:40Speaker 3: do notice, and maybe it's maybe they weren't caught up
- 18:44Speaker 3: in the who gets credit for X, Y and Z thing,
- 18:47Speaker 3: but Brady and Belichick felt like they had a rift
- 18:50Speaker 3: that was who's responsible for the winning and they both
- 18:54Speaker 3: thought that they were the one responsible and that led
- 18:57Speaker 3: to some headbutting. Well, because now we've learned a little
- 18:59Speaker 3: bit more about each of their personalities after the fact,
- 19:02Speaker 3: Brady's just off the wall narcissistic, right, yep, I mean
- 19:06Speaker 3: I think we see that. And Belichick, well, you're gonna
- 19:10Speaker 3: hear what Adam and Terry thinks of Belichick here come out.
- 19:13Speaker 4: So they went their different ways. But you're right, at.
- 19:18Speaker 5: The time, it's not about who gets the credit. It's
- 19:21Speaker 5: about who gets control and who gets this and that
- 19:23Speaker 5: you know, there was always that with Reeves and Elway
- 19:26Speaker 5: here there was always.
- 19:27Speaker 4: That sense of tension.
- 19:29Speaker 5: But Elway came to terms with that many years later
- 19:32Speaker 5: in his own Hall of Fame speech, and he gave
- 19:33Speaker 5: all the credit to Dan Reege and time as a way.
- 19:37Speaker 5: I don't know if the Belichick Brady rift will ever
- 19:39Speaker 5: be mended fully. I don't know, but time has a
- 19:42Speaker 5: way of putting things into perspective. Again, Vick, I'm gonna
- 19:45Speaker 5: give you full credit because when you sat down with
- 19:48Speaker 5: Shanahan and Jake Plummer, that was really, really good. And
- 19:53Speaker 5: I think Dan reeves in the end, guys, I think
- 19:55Speaker 5: he realized what he had Brett, he went so far though,
- 19:58Speaker 5: if you can believe this, John Elways your starting quarterback,
- 20:02Speaker 5: You've already been to the Super Bowl three times, you've
- 20:04Speaker 5: lost every single one of them, and you drafted a
- 20:06Speaker 5: quarterback in the first round. I mean the Cole Jones
- 20:10Speaker 5: on Uncle Dan to do that at the time, could
- 20:14Speaker 5: God almighty? That was crazy? And then one had to
- 20:16Speaker 5: go and we know who that was. But I think
- 20:18Speaker 5: time has a way of maybe many fences. I don't
- 20:21Speaker 5: think these guys ever, really, it doesn't seem to me
- 20:25Speaker 5: at all like they ever had any issues. And I'm
- 20:27Speaker 5: sure they know there was maybe a bit of raspiness
- 20:29Speaker 5: between the two. But when you look at Breeze's most
- 20:32Speaker 5: prolific seasons. These are the blows your mind. I mean,
- 20:36Speaker 5: he's throwing for fifty five hundred yards, forty six touches
- 20:39Speaker 5: and fourteen picks and they're going thirteen and three.
- 20:42Speaker 4: I mean, these are great, great, great seasons. Brett.
- 20:46Speaker 3: Here's the other thing in hearing Drew Brees say that,
- 20:49Speaker 3: and he goes through the dot meeting and he goes,
- 20:52Speaker 3: when are we going to use this play? And it
- 20:54Speaker 3: was whatever he said, forty seven yard line left the
- 20:57Speaker 3: second quarter wreck that level of meticulous detail that we
- 21:02Speaker 3: got to know through the Wicker Sham article and everything else.
- 21:05Speaker 5: How much is that going to kill Sean.
- 21:06Speaker 3: Payton that he might be in the room, he might
- 21:09Speaker 3: still be doing that, but he's not going to be
- 21:11Speaker 3: the one shouting that through the mic into the helmet
- 21:15Speaker 3: at the quarterback.
- 21:15Speaker 5: Well, maybe that's a sign of growth, though, maybe that's
- 21:18Speaker 5: a sign of a coach who takes the next step,
- 21:20Speaker 5: who maybe utilizes that time and those resources for some
- 21:23Speaker 5: other part of the team. Right totally, and maybe that's
- 21:26Speaker 5: what he does next. I can tell you this that
- 21:29Speaker 5: the planning and the detail in this game, it never
- 21:33Speaker 5: ceases too amazing. You remember the minutia, the minutia moje
- 21:37Speaker 5: that these guys go through just to get a play called.
- 21:39Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's and again you're talking about brevity, and
- 21:42Speaker 5: I think Webb has plenty of that. Do you recall
- 21:45Speaker 5: Game six against the Saint Louis Blues when I was
- 21:49Speaker 5: sitting in with Connor in Saint Louis, Missouri. Yeah, when
- 21:51Speaker 5: you stepped on his call at the game winning goal. Yes, yeah,
- 21:56Speaker 5: I could. I could help here. Just it was a
- 21:58Speaker 5: natural human reaction. You know what. I think it's a
- 22:02Speaker 5: brilliant analogy. Are you saying that's gonna be shot. I
- 22:06Speaker 5: think you're gonna have Sean being a little bit of
- 22:08Speaker 5: get a little bit of MoES going on there, and
- 22:11Speaker 5: like you know, with this kind of though it's not
- 22:14Speaker 5: my play called back seat driver. Yes, and I think
- 22:18Speaker 5: that he look because of his personality, he's gonna be
- 22:21Speaker 5: hyped and amped and you know, he's gonna want to
- 22:24Speaker 5: get his you know, his fingers in there. He's gonna
- 22:25Speaker 5: have plenty of fingers all over the you know, the
- 22:27Speaker 5: play sheet and the playbook and everything else, and you know,
- 22:30Speaker 5: major decisions. But he's gonna have to turn it over
- 22:33Speaker 5: and he's gonna have to live with it, you know, good,
- 22:35Speaker 5: bad or ugly Connor Hawks. I was like broken echo.
- 22:45Speaker 5: I felt so bad and he's Connor was like, oh dude,
- 22:48Speaker 5: it was great. It's all I mean, I just I
- 22:50Speaker 5: couldn't help it. It was I just could.
- 22:52Speaker 3: Here's the situation now I have that cube. It's third
- 22:56Speaker 3: and goal with twenty seconds left.
- 22:58Speaker 5: The Broncos are down four and Davis Webb goes to
- 23:02Speaker 5: call in a play to bow Nicks.
- 23:04Speaker 4: And he's in his helmet listening, and this is what
- 23:07Speaker 4: you get.
- 23:08Speaker 5: Logan O'Connor, helm Honk sets.
- 23:12Speaker 4: God wait qualitative to what are we doing?
- 23:17Speaker 5: I mean, I bet you you could.
- 23:20Speaker 3: Is there gonna be a cutaway this year where Sean
- 23:23Speaker 3: Payton instinctively has the play sheet over his mouth like
- 23:27Speaker 3: calling away.
- 23:29Speaker 5: I've got to wonder if there's going to be any
- 23:31Speaker 5: overriding at any point, because he's going to have an
- 23:34Speaker 5: open line of communication or he should. Is there going
- 23:37Speaker 5: to be any overriding if it's me, if I'm if
- 23:40Speaker 5: I'm the television network, whoever it is. I've got a
- 23:43Speaker 5: camera on Peyton constantly. I mean, I've got I've got
- 23:48Speaker 5: a dedicated cam on Seohn Payton, and I want to see.
- 23:51Speaker 5: I didn't want to see his body language. I want
- 23:52Speaker 5: to see his face. I want to see how he rolls.
- 23:55Speaker 5: I want to see all of that. I think it's
- 23:56Speaker 5: gonna be fascinating. All right, So you played the cut
- 23:59Speaker 5: of Drew Brees at the Hall of Fame praising as
- 24:02Speaker 5: former coach. Yeah, I really loved Drew Brees just describing
- 24:06Speaker 5: the quarterback position and the game of football, and he
- 24:09Speaker 5: did so so elegantly, and what it comes down to,
- 24:12Speaker 5: and there's so many things, so many different areas that
- 24:16Speaker 5: you have to touch to make a playwork, to win
- 24:18Speaker 5: a game, to have a successful season, a great career.
- 24:21Speaker 5: And I think this one paragraph that he read, and
- 24:25Speaker 5: they do read these speeches hits every base listen to.
- 24:28Speaker 6: This, always seeing the game of football and the quarterback
- 24:31Speaker 6: position as a true art form like a song or
- 24:34Speaker 6: a dance. The key to the art form was controlling
- 24:36Speaker 6: the rhythm of the game, from the articulation of the
- 24:38Speaker 6: play in the huddle, to the pre snap cues and communication,
- 24:42Speaker 6: to the cadence and the snap of the ball to
- 24:43Speaker 6: your feet dropping back, the timing and flow of your
- 24:46Speaker 6: hitch or your gather to the point three seconds between
- 24:49Speaker 6: your front foot hitt and the ground that set off
- 24:52Speaker 6: a combustion of energy from the ground force all the
- 24:54Speaker 6: way from your toes to your fingertips as it translates
- 24:57Speaker 6: power to the pronation and the spin of the ball
- 25:00Speaker 6: as it releases into the atmosphere.
- 25:01Speaker 4: That feeling is what I live for. That feeling.
- 25:07Speaker 5: You know, it's like golf. When you get through a
- 25:10Speaker 5: ball and you know you hit it great, that's what
- 25:14Speaker 5: keeps you coming back. You know, it's uh when you
- 25:19Speaker 5: know you hit it great, when you know you did
- 25:20Speaker 5: everything right. Yeah, there are times and there's no you
- 25:23Speaker 5: know when he said that, when he says that the
- 25:27Speaker 5: thing about that position and the athlete is you could
- 25:31Speaker 5: never mimic that after you're done. That is correct. That
- 25:34Speaker 5: is something that no matter what you do in life,
- 25:38Speaker 5: you can't find anything in life that will give you
- 25:41Speaker 5: that when you when you flush a seven iron bread right,
- 25:44Speaker 5: I mean absolutely, just stripe it.
- 25:46Speaker 4: It's got perfect shape. You give yourself a three footer for.
- 25:49Speaker 5: Bird and then miss it like I did twice, well exactly,
- 25:53Speaker 5: like I'd probably pwice, I'd probably push it.
- 25:56Speaker 4: But you can't. You can find other things in life.
- 25:58Speaker 5: I mean you can, you can that bass or you
- 26:01Speaker 5: can do whatever, but you can't mimic that particular feeling.
- 26:04Speaker 5: And for these quarterbacks, especially one who's a Hall of Famer. Now,
- 26:07Speaker 5: I don't know what else you can you could do that,
- 26:09Speaker 5: would you know, help mimic that everything he just described
- 26:13Speaker 5: in detail about playing the quarterback position. Can I make
- 26:15Speaker 5: a very.
- 26:15Speaker 3: Dumb comparison, but I just saw this, so I think
- 26:22Speaker 3: the Jackass movies are really funny.
- 26:24Speaker 5: I don't know what it is.
- 26:24Speaker 3: Something about guys just getting hurt makes me laugh really hard.
- 26:28Speaker 3: I saw an interview with Knoxville Johnny Knoxville. He's in tears.
- 26:33Speaker 3: He's weeping because this is their last movie that they made.
- 26:35Speaker 5: He's tears because he can't get hurt anymore. I'm not
- 26:37Speaker 5: even kidding. You can look this up Vic.
- 26:39Speaker 3: He's in tears talking about how he had to talk
- 26:41Speaker 3: to his doctor and he goes, you can't get hit
- 26:43Speaker 3: by bulls anymore.
- 26:44Speaker 5: You've had too many concussions. And he's in tears over it.
- 26:47Speaker 7: And in some way, it's kind of like there's no
- 26:51Speaker 7: recreating for him being hit by a free ball, in
- 26:56Speaker 7: getting knocked ten feet in the air and landing on
- 26:58Speaker 7: his head.
- 26:59Speaker 4: That was he that's a.
- 27:01Speaker 5: Drenaline Are you talking to seesaw one, dude, when they
- 27:03Speaker 5: were on the sea bolt, when they were on the
- 27:05Speaker 5: seesaw and you got and the ball charges you and
- 27:08Speaker 5: you gotta you know, you're you gotta jump up in
- 27:11Speaker 5: the ear so the ball goes underneath you.
- 27:13Speaker 4: Dude. That was diabololic.
- 27:14Speaker 5: That was diabolical. I'm gonna go into Drew Brees territory here,
- 27:19Speaker 5: and I know this is somewhat selfish to ask, but
- 27:22Speaker 5: everyone can ask themselves a question of this nature, no
- 27:24Speaker 5: matter how old you are. What is something you did
- 27:27Speaker 5: really well in life that you cannot do again and
- 27:30Speaker 5: you know you're not getting it back?
- 27:32Speaker 4: What is it?
- 27:34Speaker 5: Truth Tree here? Steve Nellis, Steve Nelson feel free to
- 27:37Speaker 5: participate in this conversation. You're you're an artist and I
- 27:40Speaker 5: can't hit a baseball the way he is. Well, Nelly,
- 27:42Speaker 5: did you ever have a show where you blew your
- 27:44Speaker 5: sacks like like perfect, like where you know you just
- 27:48Speaker 5: hit every note and you're timing but he's still doing
- 27:51Speaker 5: it and you're so yeah. But one is something you've
- 27:54Speaker 5: tried to do today? Tried hit hit a ninety three
- 27:58Speaker 5: mile hour fastball over the fantasy. You'll never be able
- 28:01Speaker 5: to never again? Why Why because you just don't have
- 28:03Speaker 5: the hand eye anymore. You don't have the I would
- 28:05Speaker 5: be scared of that speed. Okay, at this, how about you?
- 28:07Speaker 5: What is something you can never do? You know what
- 28:09Speaker 5: I did this week, Vick, And I'm not proud of it.
- 28:13Speaker 5: I'm a I'm a sloppy lawnmower. Nowadays. My lines used
- 28:17Speaker 5: to be perfect, uh huh, and edging was. Now I
- 28:20Speaker 5: just kind of go, I just want to get it done.
- 28:22Speaker 5: I just yeah, you know what. And I looked at
- 28:24Speaker 5: my lawn and I go, that pattern looks like crap.
- 28:27Speaker 5: You suck. Yeah, but I can honestly say, in my
- 28:31Speaker 5: lawnmowing prime, with a good piece of turf, I could
- 28:35Speaker 5: make it look like Corsefield. I used to have. Hell,
- 28:37Speaker 5: I'm the one who motie the day Todd helped retired.
- 28:40Speaker 5: I'm the one who moted seventeen into my lawn. I
- 28:42Speaker 5: rememberfectly you are good? More perfectly you are. Yeah, I
- 28:45Speaker 5: used to have this basket. What are you laughing at?
- 28:47Speaker 5: I'm that serious. Well, I know you expected lame from
- 28:51Speaker 5: That's okay. Well I was talking more athletically, but an
- 28:54Speaker 5: athlete I get it. That's fine, that's fine, it's okay.
- 28:59Speaker 5: I can't. We needed that.
- 29:01Speaker 4: I mean, he wasn't gonna give you anything athletic. We
- 29:04Speaker 4: get it.
- 29:04Speaker 5: I never played. I never played, you know that that
- 29:07Speaker 5: kind of thing beyond high school. I know I was
- 29:10Speaker 5: never gonna be able to do it again. I was
- 29:11Speaker 5: never going to be a pro. I was never gonna
- 29:13Speaker 5: be able to to whatever you're thinking. To get it.
- 29:15Speaker 5: But everybody, even if you're not a pro athlete, everybody
- 29:18Speaker 5: who's engaged in any athleticism, at some point you can't
- 29:22Speaker 5: do something. I can't. Yeah, I can't.
- 29:24Speaker 4: I used to be pretty fast. Say I'm not fast anymore.
- 29:26Speaker 5: I used to be able to do this in and
- 29:28Speaker 5: out move on a basketball court, and it was just
- 29:30Speaker 5: basically it wasn't a crossover. It was a fake left
- 29:33Speaker 5: go right, and I could use it anytime I wanted
- 29:36Speaker 5: and get by anybody. And when I got into my
- 29:38Speaker 5: forties and fifties, I would try that move and younger
- 29:41Speaker 5: players garden, you would go, what are you doing, grandpa,
- 29:44Speaker 5: where are you going?
- 29:45Speaker 4: You know they read it, they saw it.
- 29:48Speaker 5: It was so I was so upset. I got emotional
- 29:51Speaker 5: about him, like that doesn't work anymore. I mean it
- 29:54Speaker 5: would work all the time. It was just a man,
- 29:57Speaker 5: you know what of these but it takes so long
- 29:59Speaker 5: for me to pull it on now that literally people
- 30:02Speaker 5: will look at me and going, are you falling?
- 30:04Speaker 4: Are you? Are you okay?
- 30:05Speaker 5: You have to I mean, what are you telegraphing now?
- 30:07Speaker 5: I mean are you telegraphing? You're like did most It's
- 30:10Speaker 5: just so slow now here, let me send you a telegram.
- 30:12Speaker 5: I'm gonna fake left and go right. It's so slow
- 30:14Speaker 5: now that people are guarding me, going what what are
- 30:17Speaker 5: you trying to accomplish here? And and it just hit me.
- 30:20Speaker 5: I mean, that's the first time I retired from playing basketball.
- 30:22Speaker 5: I wrote a piece on it. It was one day
- 30:25Speaker 5: I tried that move against this guy that was much
- 30:27Speaker 5: bigger than me, too much younger and much bigger, and.
- 30:29Speaker 4: I said, I'll blow by and watch this.
- 30:30Speaker 5: And I did the move and I fell down, like
- 30:34Speaker 5: the falling and I can't get up there. I think
- 30:37Speaker 5: it was I was forty seven at the time. I
- 30:39Speaker 5: was ten years ago. And I fell down and I
- 30:41Speaker 5: lost the ball and I I just walked out of
- 30:43Speaker 5: the carse So that's it, you know, there comes he's right,
- 30:47Speaker 5: it's over. There comes a time when your body it
- 30:50Speaker 5: just is not going to perform and behave the way
- 30:53Speaker 5: it used to.
- 30:53Speaker 4: You know what.
- 30:53Speaker 5: I there was a time, like I told you, like
- 30:55Speaker 5: I'm up on the ladder right and then I take
- 30:57Speaker 5: a step down that I just jump off the ladder
- 30:59Speaker 5: down into the garage Kong. You know, boom, now I
- 31:03Speaker 5: step step step again. Not an athletic with much.
- 31:09Speaker 4: We keep coming up with these examples.
- 31:12Speaker 5: Yeah, and we're talking about sports and he comes cause
- 31:14Speaker 5: you got like chores around the house. Yeah, pretty much.
- 31:21Speaker 5: My athletic careers of coffee has been over for some time.
- 31:24Speaker 5: Yet we're talking about actual athletics and you've got chorge
- 31:29Speaker 5: is true emotion.
- 31:30Speaker 4: I can still throw a football like a mother.
- 31:32Speaker 5: You just saw it. We were just talking about that.
- 31:35Speaker 5: When you come up with the lawn and getting off
- 31:38Speaker 5: a ladder.
- 31:38Speaker 4: It's a it's all.
- 31:39Speaker 5: It's all I got nowadays, dude. Although I so for
- 31:42Speaker 5: those of you out there who have trouble just chewing gum,
- 31:47Speaker 5: give us a call. Pretty much, pretty much, I'm not
- 31:51Speaker 5: the one who cried on a on a bench though
- 31:53Speaker 5: after I couldn't get off the driving range, didn't you
- 31:57Speaker 5: didn't you sit down on the bench And I cried, Yeah,
- 31:59Speaker 5: that was about fifteen years ago. I played such a
- 32:03Speaker 5: horrible round of golf. I tried to fix it on
- 32:05Speaker 5: the range, couldn't fix it, and I went to the
- 32:07Speaker 5: bench near the range at Fox Hollow Golf Course. I
- 32:10Speaker 5: remember the day of the spot and I wept.
- 32:14Speaker 4: I wept described.
- 32:15Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'm not listen, I'm not too proud.
- 32:18Speaker 5: I'm mad enough to admit it. You get to that
- 32:20Speaker 5: point where you can't do what you're trying to tell
- 32:22Speaker 5: your body to do and it won't do it.
- 32:24Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't do it. Your body won't do it.
- 32:26Speaker 4: It's crazy, I cried, Yes, it's just getting off.
- 32:31Speaker 5: The last.
- 32:36Speaker 4: All right.
- 32:37Speaker 3: Uh three oh three, five oh four, nine two five. Hey,
- 32:41Speaker 3: I I saw these pictures from over the weekend, and
- 32:45Speaker 3: I gotta say it's another reminder of thank god this
- 32:52Speaker 3: ownership group for this team exists.
- 32:54Speaker 5: We'll get to it next. All right, back out here
- 32:56Speaker 5: at Broncos Park.
- 32:57Speaker 3: All the training camp coverage you're on out to sports
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- 33:03Speaker 5: So I saw something over the weekend.
- 33:05Speaker 4: It was.
- 33:07Speaker 5: The first look at the brand new stadium in Buffalo.
- 33:15Speaker 4: By the way, that stadium.
- 33:17Speaker 5: Was half financed by taxpayer revenue.
- 33:19Speaker 3: Correct, correct, right around half of that was a taxpayer
- 33:24Speaker 3: funded And what got me on this was it was
- 33:29Speaker 3: a video, a compilation of photos and with obstructed views
- 33:34Speaker 3: from these seats.
- 33:35Speaker 5: So if you look at them.
- 33:37Speaker 3: There are places within the stadium in which if you're
- 33:39Speaker 3: sitting down, you're gonna have a poll a railing in
- 33:43Speaker 3: your way, you're gonna have this little glass case, you're
- 33:46Speaker 3: gonna have a whole bunch of stuff obstructing the view.
- 33:49Speaker 5: Wow, that's what you're showing me. A seat right now,
- 33:52Speaker 5: there are two or three seats where you're in the
- 33:53Speaker 5: corner of the stadium and literally you can only.
- 33:55Speaker 4: See half the field.
- 33:56Speaker 3: And like, that's part of the problem. Here's my main
- 34:00Speaker 3: shoe at the stadium. It's two point two billion dollars
- 34:02Speaker 3: to make and as Vic pointed out, half of that
- 34:05Speaker 3: coming from taxpayers.
- 34:09Speaker 5: It's lame as hell. It's it's a toilet bowl. It's
- 34:13Speaker 5: just a bowl. If I'm getting a new stadium and
- 34:16Speaker 5: we're using taxpayer funded money, it better look like a damn.
- 34:20Speaker 4: Space's worth your time.
- 34:21Speaker 5: Like every every stadium You're still right, because every stadium
- 34:24Speaker 5: that's come out recently has had a character about it
- 34:27Speaker 5: that makes you go, wow, that looks like it's from
- 34:29Speaker 5: the frost, Like so fine in Vegas with what's what's
- 34:33Speaker 5: the Vegas one called Allegiance Atlanta, the Mercedes Benz and
- 34:36Speaker 5: the roof open some cherry world, which is exactly right.
- 34:40Speaker 5: So every stadium that that's the Seattle when they built
- 34:43Speaker 5: a new Seattle one with the Yeah, the twelfth Man area,
- 34:47Speaker 5: you can't do generic. Yeah, that that's generic. I'm looking
- 34:50Speaker 5: at it. It's as basic as it gets. And the
- 34:52Speaker 5: other thing about it that's not working according to the fans,
- 34:55Speaker 5: that little rooftop like they build in a lot of
- 34:58Speaker 5: the Premier League Soccer STADIU to save the fans from
- 35:01Speaker 5: getting wet with it rains. It only saves like a
- 35:04Speaker 5: third of the fans. Yeah, it doesn't save the guy
- 35:06Speaker 5: that the folks sitting in the one hundred and two
- 35:08Speaker 5: hundred section.
- 35:09Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 35:09Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys have I've never been
- 35:11Speaker 3: to Buffalo, but I've watched Bill's games in December and
- 35:14Speaker 3: January on TV before.
- 35:15Speaker 5: It's snows sideways. Yeah, because that snow's doesn't come straight down,
- 35:20Speaker 5: it comes in different directions. So that's the Lake effect
- 35:23Speaker 5: from Lake Ontario. Here's what I know. Whenever this stadium
- 35:25Speaker 5: gets done, you're not gonna have to worry about anything
- 35:27Speaker 5: targeting twenty thirty one. Right, It's going to look like
- 35:30Speaker 5: it's one thousands in the future. Yeah, that's what it's
- 35:32Speaker 5: gonna look like. And that's what it should look like,
- 35:35Speaker 5: especially especially if you're using tax paramodney.
- 35:38Speaker 4: In fact, I was driving in this morning listening to.
- 35:42Speaker 5: The Appetizer Hour and you talked about this very subject
- 35:45Speaker 5: and you said something that really peaked my interest about
- 35:48Speaker 5: you want to see such advancement in the stadium that
- 35:51Speaker 5: we've never seen it before.
- 35:52Speaker 4: Nelly, can you replay what.
- 35:53Speaker 3: He said about an hour ago, Like I want to
- 35:55Speaker 3: walk into the bathroom and have like the the urinals
- 35:58Speaker 3: suck out my p for me, like I wanted that.
- 36:01Speaker 4: I heard that too.
- 36:02Speaker 5: In fact, I was on the I was on the
- 36:04Speaker 5: roundabout getting onto the freeway. Yeah, when I heard that,
- 36:08Speaker 5: and I almost I almost drove, Like I think it's
- 36:10Speaker 5: something that's necessary as as a professional, as an authority
- 36:14Speaker 5: on that subject matter.
- 36:15Speaker 4: Having worn a catheter, right.
- 36:18Speaker 5: They do those already, So are you are you saying
- 36:20Speaker 5: that so I can answer if I can insert a
- 36:22Speaker 5: cather inside. They are you saying that catheter should be
- 36:25Speaker 5: part of the season ticket. Maybe they drew holes underneath
- 36:28Speaker 5: your seat. You can just run it up your hand. Oh,
- 36:30Speaker 5: maybe that's how you do it. Gotcha, I actually enjoyed
- 36:33Speaker 5: my cather I'd walk around with it. Oh, never have
- 36:37Speaker 5: to worry about I'm not sure that that sentence has
- 36:41Speaker 5: ever been uttered by a human being in the history
- 36:43Speaker 5: of I enjoyed my catheter. No, I mean, seriously, I
- 36:47Speaker 5: tell people if people ask me, what's the worst part
- 36:49Speaker 5: about going through that, and they always say cather Catherin
- 36:53Speaker 5: didn't bother me. He carried around with you. It's like
- 36:54Speaker 5: your friend you carry you with his buddy. Yeah, this
- 36:58Speaker 5: is a briefcase.
- 36:59Speaker 4: What you mean?
- 36:59Speaker 5: This is James. So you're you're promoting catheters at the
- 37:04Speaker 5: new Broncos Stadium.
- 37:06Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 37:06Speaker 3: I want it to be like I push a button
- 37:08Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, my my bladder is emptied.
- 37:10Speaker 5: Okay, well that's what I want. Let me let me
- 37:12Speaker 5: explain about the Walton Pinner group. Here right, I'm looking
- 37:15Speaker 5: at this joint over here to our left. If that's
- 37:18Speaker 5: what they do, that quickly to throw up a new
- 37:21Speaker 5: thing here like that. I think the stadium is going
- 37:24Speaker 5: to be dyning bite And you look at Brett again
- 37:27Speaker 5: with your spoil a little bit because Jerror World came in,
- 37:30Speaker 5: but so fine in la is unbelievable, right, Yeah, say
- 37:35Speaker 5: what you want about the Raiders, but their stadium is
- 37:37Speaker 5: pretty damn unique and cool. Cool Yeah, I mean death
- 37:40Speaker 5: Star yeah, death Star, yeah, whatever you want to call it.
- 37:43Speaker 5: I'm I'm fairly confident that when the new Broncos joint
- 37:47Speaker 5: rolls up, it's gonna be good. Well, this is this
- 37:50Speaker 5: is what I was gonna say, though, Like I mentioned
- 37:51Speaker 5: this in the appetizer, like this is all privately funded.
- 37:54Speaker 5: This beautiful new thing that they built to our left
- 37:56Speaker 5: is all privately funded. Even if it wasn't, at least
- 38:01Speaker 5: you could come out here for a Broncos practice and
- 38:03Speaker 5: be like, well it looks cool. Yeah, well, at least
- 38:05Speaker 5: you could say that, like it looks pretty neat.
- 38:07Speaker 4: You know, and you just hit on something.
- 38:09Speaker 5: When something is privately funded, you know, someone comes up
- 38:11Speaker 5: with the ideas and they they enact those ideas. If
- 38:15Speaker 5: if it becomes a process where everybody has to have
- 38:18Speaker 5: a voice, yeah, too many cooks in the kitchen. This
- 38:21Speaker 5: is what you get in Buffalo. Yeah, it's uh, but
- 38:23Speaker 5: it looks like butt And I get what you're saying.
- 38:27Speaker 5: You think they'd have the foresight not to have any
- 38:29Speaker 5: obstructed seats in the entire joint, right, I mean, it's
- 38:31Speaker 5: just maybe you can't avoid it. I don't know. I
- 38:33Speaker 5: don't know, but I will say somebody had to approve it.
- 38:37Speaker 5: Somebody had to go, you know what, this is the
- 38:38Speaker 5: best design. Let's go with this. You just so blame
- 38:41Speaker 5: it on blame it on the the buckstops here people.
- 38:44Speaker 5: You said something else to and look this up for me.
- 38:47Speaker 5: Not only was that taxpayer funded a portion of that
- 38:51Speaker 5: stadium up to half, but I believe Buffalo also enacted PSLs,
- 38:56Speaker 5: so they both they did so they asked the public
- 38:59Speaker 5: to pay for it, and then they charge the ticket
- 39:02Speaker 5: holders to pay for it. They they're double book that sucker.
- 39:05Speaker 5: They double dipped over two hundred and fifty nine million
- 39:08Speaker 5: in net revenue for the PSLs too.
- 39:10Speaker 4: So wow, that's that's jacked up.
- 39:13Speaker 5: I mean, if I'm a Buffalo Bills fan, all right, listen,
- 39:16Speaker 5: you can have one or the other. Either the taxpayers
- 39:19Speaker 5: fun part of the stadium and I get it, But
- 39:21Speaker 5: then the PSL it's at the same time. You know,
- 39:23Speaker 5: we're hearing thoughts of PSLs here in Denver. I don't
- 39:26Speaker 5: know what the price tag is gonna be for those PSLs.
- 39:28Speaker 5: Maybe they'll just maybe they'll softball it.
- 39:30Speaker 3: Maybe they won't be set At Buffalo Stadium, they range
- 39:33Speaker 3: from one thousand to forty thousand a seat.
- 39:35Speaker 5: To be able to take it from both ends like that. Yeah,
- 39:38Speaker 5: that's that's pretty jacked up in Buffalo one or the other.
- 39:41Speaker 3: Well, and here's the other thing. And I know that
- 39:43Speaker 3: Buffalo has their pride about this. I just think it's
- 39:46Speaker 3: so dumb and it's so silly, all this new stadium
- 39:51Speaker 3: and still on a Sunday at six o'clock in the
- 39:53Speaker 3: morning in January for week seventeen, they're gonna be putting
- 39:58Speaker 3: phone calls out to the fans to shovelest stadium. Still,
- 40:01Speaker 3: that's what they're gonna be doing. And I know that
- 40:03Speaker 3: people pay him.
- 40:04Speaker 4: Do they pay him for that?
- 40:05Speaker 5: I think they do. It was like fifteen an hour
- 40:08Speaker 5: an hour. Yeah, Because I don't know about you guys,
- 40:10Speaker 5: I ain't doing I ain't doing that.
- 40:12Speaker 4: No.
- 40:13Speaker 3: Well, here's the other thing. This is where I'm gonna
- 40:17Speaker 3: get football hard. Oh that's that's like super mad at
- 40:19Speaker 3: me for not understanding, like, oh, this is what football is.
- 40:24Speaker 5: It's supposed to be in the elements. There's no advantage
- 40:28Speaker 5: to playing in the snow. Okay, there's none to anybody.
- 40:32Speaker 5: We sawbody, we saw it on AFC Championship Sunday. We'll
- 40:35Speaker 5: forget that one guy, that is. I don't know where
- 40:38Speaker 5: this narrative came from. But do you guys know, like
- 40:41Speaker 5: you guys know what I'm talking about here? Well, Aaron
- 40:43Speaker 5: Rodgers and Lambeau in January, he's good. You know what
- 40:48Speaker 5: his playoff record was at home six and five in
- 40:52Speaker 5: his career, six and five. Sure, it doesn't seem like
- 40:55Speaker 5: much of an advantage too. But if you had Josh
- 40:57Speaker 5: Allen who played at Wyoming, and it's throwing the ball
- 41:00Speaker 5: in the sideways, win and rain and sleep and all
- 41:02Speaker 5: that kind of crap in Cheyenne, I mean, don't you
- 41:05Speaker 5: think that helps a little bit in Buffalo? Don't you
- 41:08Speaker 5: think of Josh Allen and his experience in the elements
- 41:11Speaker 5: can help a little bit.
- 41:12Speaker 3: No, I think that it is all random, that everything
- 41:15Speaker 3: that has to do with weather makes everything well, what I.
- 41:17Speaker 5: Wouldn't do is well, I was gonna say I wouldn't
- 41:21Speaker 5: have a quarterback that played in Miami.
- 41:22Speaker 4: Uh then draft from to Buffalo. Well, that that happened, guys.
- 41:27Speaker 5: I think I think we uh, that ship is sailed.
- 41:30Speaker 5: The thought process about you know, I know there are
- 41:32Speaker 5: a lot of season ticket holders in Denver who do
- 41:34Speaker 5: not like the thought of a retractable roof coming to
- 41:37Speaker 5: the new stadium. And you know, having gone to many
- 41:40Speaker 5: many Bronco fans when the weather was awful, that Green
- 41:43Speaker 5: Bay game, the San Francisco game when someone threw a
- 41:46Speaker 5: snowball at the kicker as he was approaching the ball. Uh,
- 41:49Speaker 5: the Oakland Raiders game when here the La Raiders game,
- 41:53Speaker 5: Kennedy got hit with the snowball. There are many ray
- 41:56Speaker 5: wershon was that kick? We gotta we gotta gets we
- 41:59Speaker 5: gotta get Amy trash back on to talk about that.
- 42:01Speaker 5: That was a that was a really cool a lot
- 42:03Speaker 5: of games and a lot of cool stories. But I'm
- 42:04Speaker 5: gonna tell you this, the quality of football sucked. And
- 42:07Speaker 5: I don't want to debate it because it's not even
- 42:09Speaker 5: a debate. You saw it in the AFC title game.
- 42:11Speaker 5: If you guys, got to play the Terrible's title game
- 42:13Speaker 5: all over again, and I got to snap my fingers,
- 42:16Speaker 5: and that snow squall never arrived. Would you take it?
- 42:18Speaker 5: Of course, of course you would, of course you would.
- 42:21Speaker 5: So I don't want to hear this crap about Oh
- 42:23Speaker 5: they both play in the elements. It sucks. It sucks
- 42:26Speaker 5: for the fans, sucks for the players. You don't know
- 42:28Speaker 5: what's gonna happen. A lot of luck is involved, bad fortune.
- 42:32Speaker 5: It sucks nobody. I don't like. I don't like sitting
- 42:35Speaker 5: there in the cold and snow.
- 42:36Speaker 4: I don't like it.
- 42:37Speaker 3: Here's the other thing, mo, As you said, you don't
- 42:39Speaker 3: think it's that Josh Allen has an advantage in that
- 42:42Speaker 3: kind of weather.
- 42:43Speaker 5: If I think that, he probably does, that's my opinion.
- 42:46Speaker 5: But you don't think he does.
- 42:47Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, If I asked Josh Allen, would you rather
- 42:50Speaker 3: play a playoff game in fifteen degrees in snow or
- 42:52Speaker 3: seventy two degrees?
- 42:54Speaker 4: Say seventy two?
- 42:54Speaker 5: E free quarterback says inside. But it was thinking so
- 42:57Speaker 5: Jim Kelly right, he went to he went to my
- 43:00Speaker 5: at me and the Bills drafted him. He's like, I
- 43:03Speaker 5: ain't playing Buffalo. I ain't doing it. You gotta see that.
- 43:06Speaker 5: You ever see the documentary about how it went down.
- 43:08Speaker 5: So he decided to go to the USFL and play
- 43:10Speaker 5: for the Houston Gamblers and so on, but eventually obviously
- 43:13Speaker 5: ended up in Buffalo, Lway to Marino or something like that.
- 43:16Speaker 5: That was I'm telling you, man that that was such
- 43:17Speaker 5: a great documentary.
- 43:19Speaker 4: I was so well done.
- 43:20Speaker 3: But I don't think there's a single quarterback that you asked,
- 43:23Speaker 3: would you rather play in the stuff that the Broncos
- 43:25Speaker 3: played in in the AFC Championship game or would you
- 43:28Speaker 3: rather play at So far.
- 43:30Speaker 5: Not a single Everybody wants to play, right, everybody wants Hey,
- 43:33Speaker 5: by the way, in that Delwi to Marino, how about
- 43:36Speaker 5: the notes that Marvin Demoff kept and he still had
- 43:40Speaker 5: all of his notes as he's going through the phone
- 43:42Speaker 5: calls and all that kind of thing. I mean, that's
- 43:44Speaker 5: some inside dope that you would never ever ever know about.
- 43:47Speaker 5: Like everybody keeps these diaries and notes. Now, like had
- 43:50Speaker 5: his diary, everybody's got these notes notes. No, I guess
- 43:55Speaker 5: my notes is twitter X. That's those are my notes.
- 43:58Speaker 5: I don't have no give a notebook. You keep like
- 44:01Speaker 5: life notes. You're kidding, who are you talking to exactly?
- 44:04Speaker 5: I think I write to Come on, I haven't handwritten anything,
- 44:07Speaker 5: just Es series, Jesse, do you have like a library
- 44:10Speaker 5: of notes? No notes, Dear Diary. Does anybody out there
- 44:14Speaker 5: keep notes? Just He's like, oh, I don't know. Jesse's
- 44:16Speaker 5: probably got a handwritten kill Liss somewhere out his bedside drawer.
- 44:21Speaker 5: I don't know, Dear Diary. Today, for the radio show,
- 44:24Speaker 5: I had one hundred and twenty three nuggets in a
- 44:26Speaker 5: row from Chick fil A, and then I rode my
- 44:28Speaker 5: bike up look out and almost got him.
- 44:30Speaker 3: Still one of the most impressive things that I've ever
- 44:32Speaker 3: seen somebody do when he's he horked down one hundred
- 44:35Speaker 3: and twenty three chicken nuggets in a three hour time
- 44:37Speaker 3: frame and then and then finish it with a shot
- 44:39Speaker 3: of barbecue sauce.
- 44:41Speaker 5: You're barbecue. I guarantee Moser has like two or three
- 44:45Speaker 5: of these at home, these little notebook. Some athletic achievements
- 44:47Speaker 5: he can no longer do lawn mowing, ladder, ladder climbing,
- 44:52Speaker 5: out sewing my fingers hurt. Would you say, here's the
- 45:01Speaker 5: question I posed to the public. Give me something athletically
- 45:04Speaker 5: you can say athletically, it says you didn't say, you
- 45:09Speaker 5: just said what. I just came to mind because I
- 45:14Speaker 5: looked back at my lawn on Wednesday or Thursday, and
- 45:16Speaker 5: I go, man, that was a crap job motion. That
- 45:19Speaker 5: was really crap? I said, can you be more specific athletically?
- 45:22Speaker 5: He followed that up with the ladder climbing the ladder,
- 45:27Speaker 5: not climbing, jumping down off the ladder.
- 45:29Speaker 3: The first house that I had back in Nebraska, we
- 45:31Speaker 3: had a neighbor that didn't have a big yard. It
- 45:34Speaker 3: was literally like the size of this little strip in
- 45:36Speaker 3: front of us before he gets to the field, and
- 45:38Speaker 3: he used a riding mower, and I was like, bro
- 45:42Speaker 3: hire a kid to spend two minutes to mow your
- 45:45Speaker 3: lawn and give him five bucks. That's all it's gonna take.
- 45:47Speaker 3: You're doing a ride mower off of like a hundred
- 45:49Speaker 3: square feet of grass.
- 45:50Speaker 5: It's nothing. Hey shout out, she got my boy, my
- 45:55Speaker 5: friend Shane jump in that algae infested water. Why can
- 45:59Speaker 5: because things happened when you're playing golf. You know that,
- 46:02Speaker 5: you know that things happen when you're playing.
- 46:04Speaker 4: It looked like.
- 46:06Speaker 5: When he came up through the through the algae. It
- 46:09Speaker 5: looked like he was wearing a wig. Yeah, like a
- 46:11Speaker 5: chain mail the old. So what happened was this, Here's
- 46:14Speaker 5: what happened. We're sitting on the practice green and we're
- 46:16Speaker 5: having some sort of closest to the Pink contest, and
- 46:19Speaker 5: we're hitting balls to the nine green, which was at
- 46:23Speaker 5: the time one hundred and ten yard shot.
- 46:25Speaker 4: I didn't know that. I didn't know.
- 46:27Speaker 5: It looked to me, you know, when you're just out there,
- 46:28Speaker 5: it looks like from here to that goalpost. So I
- 46:30Speaker 5: said to the guys, I bet I can punt the
- 46:32Speaker 5: ball there. And because I didn't know, nobody told me
- 46:34Speaker 5: it was one hundred and ten yards. Because it looked
- 46:36Speaker 5: very close, I guarantee I could punt the ball there.
- 46:38Speaker 5: So I had this ball, I said, let me put
- 46:40Speaker 5: a good kid over here, and it only got halfway
- 46:43Speaker 5: and it went in the lake. Upon I was told
- 46:45Speaker 5: that's one hundred and ten yards, Like, oh yeah, I
- 46:47Speaker 5: can't punt the ball ten yards. So then we had
- 46:50Speaker 5: a contest whoever is the farthest from the hole has
- 46:52Speaker 5: to go get it in the lake. And Shane, as
- 46:55Speaker 5: soon as he chunked his shot, jumped right in. It
- 46:58Speaker 5: was awesome the way Shane spells his name.
- 47:01Speaker 3: Kudos Shane uh three oh three, five oh four oh
- 47:05Speaker 3: nine two five shot Moss. The text line one price,
- 47:07Speaker 3: one person, one hour. Some audio from Davis web next