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The Medical Industry is a Cult | Silk and Steel · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: My name is jem. This is germ warfare, the Battle
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Speaker 1: of ideas. It's been I think about a year, maybe
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Speaker 1: a little bit more. Michael Bryant, thank you for joining
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Speaker 1: me again in the trenches.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Jeremy.
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Speaker 1: I love your work and I remember chatting to you
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Speaker 1: years ago already. I can't even remember what our first
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Speaker 1: conversation was about. But one of the conversations you and
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Speaker 1: I have had that has stuck with me and has
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Speaker 1: actually had a huge impact is the Spanish flu discussion.
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Speaker 1: I know remember that one. I know you've chatted about
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Speaker 1: that many times, but it had such a big positive
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Speaker 1: effect on me that it dramatically accelerated my views on
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Speaker 1: germ theory as a whole.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks a lot. Yeah, that article was I feel,
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Speaker 2: one of the bigger and more in depth treatments of
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Speaker 2: the Spanish flu phenomena overall. And I would hope that
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Speaker 2: anyone who would read that would just take away one thing,
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Speaker 2: and that is to question the official story of what
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Speaker 2: the Spanish Flu was or wasn't and acknowledge that there
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Speaker 2: are many other social conditions and in this case a
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Speaker 2: very significant one, World War one, that are the primary
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Speaker 2: causes of what we call disease.
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Speaker 1: Well the segue also, I mean, we were just talking
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Speaker 1: a moment ago about our kids being unvaccinated. I say,
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Speaker 1: our kids. I've got one, but I've got a second
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Speaker 1: boy coming very soon, and both will be unvaccinated. And
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Speaker 1: I know you don't mind me saying, but your two boys,
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Speaker 1: well adults now, are also unvaccinated. And they're fine, Michael,
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Speaker 1: they haven't died.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, isn't it. You know, you would
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Speaker 2: think that if children were they were unvaccinated children, based
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Speaker 2: on the official story that we have founded into our
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Speaker 2: heads in every single way, day in, day out, week in,
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Speaker 2: week out, year and year out, that these unvaccinated kids
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Speaker 2: would just be dropping dead. But they aren't, and in fact,
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Speaker 2: they're extraordinarily healthy. And I will say, in my case,
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Speaker 2: the decision was based on copious amounts of research. I
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Speaker 2: didn't just, you know, come into this as some revolutionary
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Speaker 2: saying no, I'm not going to vaccinate because I feel
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Speaker 2: your authority is undeserved, even though it is. I just
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Speaker 2: was about to have a child in my life, and
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Speaker 2: it just seemed odd to me that you would immediately
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Speaker 2: begin injecting this child with some synthetic substances so at
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Speaker 2: that time, which was twenty five years ago. Now, the
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Speaker 2: research that one had to do, you had to just
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Speaker 2: go into the libraries and get these magazines, articles and
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Speaker 2: so forth. And I did that, and I spent a
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Speaker 2: lot of time on that, and I came to the
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Speaker 2: conclusion that you know, these were poisonous substances that really
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Speaker 2: had no place being in the human body. And so yes,
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Speaker 2: the unvaccinated children that are perfectly healthy.
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Speaker 1: Now, I brought that up because there's a link to
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Speaker 1: a conversation. You wrote a great piece called the Cult
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Speaker 1: of Modern Medical Expertise. And I like the use of
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Speaker 1: the word cult because I have found since the COVID era, Michael,
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Speaker 1: talking about vaccines is a very strange experience. Even in
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Speaker 1: our circles, people get very funny about the word vaccine.
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Speaker 1: It's something that stirs up a weird kind of emotion,
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Speaker 1: something that you would find in a cult.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and it is something that's been programmed into people,
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Speaker 2: just as you would find in a cult. And you know,
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Speaker 2: the vaccine is probably the most one of certainly one
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Speaker 2: of the most lucrative medical products in the history of history.
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Speaker 2: And therefore you have this tremendous protection racket surrounding it.
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Speaker 2: And also the vaccine has created an extraordinary amount of
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Speaker 2: damage to humans, and so it's incumbent upon this cult
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Speaker 2: to shield the public from this reality. And so there's
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Speaker 2: this extraordinary, vast mechanism that is in place to protect
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Speaker 2: that racket and to shield the harms that have been
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Speaker 2: caused by that product.
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Speaker 1: The cult like attachment is what fascinates me. It's psychological
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Speaker 1: because we can talk about antibiotics and you don't get
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Speaker 1: the same kind of visceral reaction.
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Speaker 2: You know, I wonder how much of that too, is
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Speaker 2: you know, the actual again I haven't been through this process,
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Speaker 2: but the actual process of if you're a parent, you
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Speaker 2: bring your young child into the pediatrician's office and then
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Speaker 2: they get this injection and you can see that it's
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Speaker 2: a very difficult, painful, traumatic experience for the child. One
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Speaker 2: and then right after you see, while this product made
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Speaker 2: my child sick. And isn't it a mind job that
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Speaker 2: this medical industry has been able to convince people that
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Speaker 2: they give this infant this product. The child gets ill
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Speaker 2: immediately from this product, even if it's a minor illness initially,
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Speaker 2: and they say that is a sign that it is working.
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Speaker 2: No it's a sign that your child is getting sick
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Speaker 2: from this product. And so I wonder if the parents
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Speaker 2: seeing this then psychologically have to go into this space
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Speaker 2: which allows them to be brainwashed into thinking that, yes, indeed,
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Speaker 2: this product is going to benefit my child in some way.
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Speaker 2: And so then they gradually start to develop these what
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Speaker 2: I might call quasi religious beliefs in this product rather
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Speaker 2: than really looking at what's happening right in front of
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Speaker 2: their eyes. Yeah, certainly you're injecting industrial poisons into your child.
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Speaker 2: And if a parent were to be presented with here
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Speaker 2: are the ingredients of the product, or they were to
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Speaker 2: do the research themselves and say, oh, I've discovered what
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Speaker 2: the ingredients are in this product and say, wait, that's
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Speaker 2: not something that I want to be in my child,
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Speaker 2: we would see a dramatic reduction in vaccination right away.
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Speaker 2: But there's you know, there's this incredible cloak of secrecy
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Speaker 2: that surrounds this product, and that's intentional and secrecy and deception.
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Speaker 2: I would say, Otherwise, you know, people would see it
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Speaker 2: for the madness that it is.
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Speaker 1: So your article argues basically that the transformation of a
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Speaker 1: doctor who was once perhaps a folksy kind of neighbor.
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Speaker 1: He grew up with you and the family you'd come
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Speaker 1: and do house visits, is now an Imperial minister wielding
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Speaker 1: unassailable expertise, and you cannot ask him any questions.
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Speaker 2: Yes, you know how I came to this article. I
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Speaker 2: was originally and I'm still working on an article that
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Speaker 2: uh is really exploring the massive, the mammoth medical industry overall,
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Speaker 2: in the financial linkages in this industry with the actual
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Speaker 2: physician that you see when when you go to the doctor,
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Speaker 2: how does that all work? And so I put that
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Speaker 2: on the back burner for just a little bit when
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Speaker 2: it came to me that it didn't used to be
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Speaker 2: this way, and I started to wonder about that. I
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Speaker 2: said to myself, you know, how is it that we
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Speaker 2: we've come from this moment where there was this humble
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Speaker 2: doctor who may live right across the street from you
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Speaker 2: when you were younger, and in fact, that was the
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Speaker 2: case for myself, who lived in a you know, middle
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Speaker 2: to lower middle class neighborhood, didn't didn't have any trappings
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Speaker 2: of society, didn't have any fancy cars, big house, and
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Speaker 2: you would you would encounter this person in your day
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Speaker 2: to day lives at the grocery store or Little League
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Speaker 2: baseball games. How did it come to the fact that
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Speaker 2: now this person is this who is a distant person
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Speaker 2: in this mansion, and they represent someone who is the
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Speaker 2: godlike deity that oversees this medical industry, that is your
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Speaker 2: first entry point into this mammoth medical industry. How did
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Speaker 2: that happen? And you know, I had some suspicions about it,
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Speaker 2: But as I delved deeper into this topic, you know,
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Speaker 2: I really began to unpack what was a rather large
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Speaker 2: social engineering project that has been underway since the late
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Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds and then really accelerated after
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Speaker 2: World War Two. And the conclusion is ultimately that none
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Speaker 2: of this is by accident. This was all socially engineered.
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Speaker 2: This was due to these experts having better medical practices,
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Speaker 2: or that the science had improved and moved on and
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Speaker 2: progressed tremendously. This was all about financial incentives and socially
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Speaker 2: engineering the population to hold these beliefs through large pr
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Speaker 2: firms manipulating the public. And that is indeed what you
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Speaker 2: find as you unpack this a little bit more.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the idea of a sort of country doctor.
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Speaker 1: It is a little bit romanticized, but doctors were once
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Speaker 1: upon a time actually interested in your family history. If
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Speaker 1: you go to a doctor now, Michael, he charges you
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Speaker 1: for fifteen minutes.
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Speaker 2: Yes, let me give you my personal antidote on this,
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Speaker 2: which was really kind of a very cool and amazing
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Speaker 2: thing for me when writing this article. So as I
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Speaker 2: looked into you know, the country doctor, and I agree
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Speaker 2: with you, you don't want to romanticize anything much, I came
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Speaker 2: across this book and it was purely unintentional. And this
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Speaker 2: book was authored by this gentleman and you'll see it
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Speaker 2: in the first link in the article. This gentleman, doctor
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Speaker 2: Barry Ladd. That was my doctor when I was a
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Speaker 2: kid growing up. So I find this book and this
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Speaker 2: is going to be included in my article, and I
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Speaker 2: do a double take. Wait a minute, that's my doctor
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Speaker 2: up until I was thirteen years old, right, So that
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Speaker 2: was that was very cool. And he did literally live
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Speaker 2: across the street in two houses down from where we
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Speaker 2: were at. And interestingly, and then I've talked to my
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Speaker 2: older brothers about this because they would have better memories
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Speaker 2: than I on this due to the fact that they
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Speaker 2: were older at the time. You know, we never went
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Speaker 2: to see this guy. We went to see this guy.
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Speaker 2: When I say never, I mean I probably went to
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Speaker 2: his office in my life three or four times, and
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Speaker 2: that was to get stitches to have my ankle repair.
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Speaker 2: You know, you went to see the doctor when when
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Speaker 2: you had an illness or an injury that you couldn't
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Speaker 2: attend to at home. And so I, you know, I wondered,
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Speaker 2: you know, what happened here? How is it now that
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Speaker 2: we have all of these visits, all of these wellness visits,
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Speaker 2: this NonStop array of shots that kids are getting. And I,
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Speaker 2: you know, I realized that back when I was a kid,
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Speaker 2: none of this happened. And he was a folksy kind
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Speaker 2: of guy in this case, and he was he was
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Speaker 2: someone who had his hunting dogs, and he was a fisherman,
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Speaker 2: and you know, he had no airs about him whatsoever,
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Speaker 2: and we rarely saw him.
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Speaker 1: What is the point of a doctor.
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Speaker 2: I think that it depends on whose perspective you have.
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Speaker 2: If you're the industry, if you're a private equity firm.
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Speaker 2: The point of a doctor is to generate revenue. And
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Speaker 2: that's whose you know, Wall Street is controlling that industry.
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Speaker 2: So that's the point of the doctor. From their perspective,
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Speaker 2: I would say from the people's perspective, the point of
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Speaker 2: the doctor should be to take care to help get
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Speaker 2: you repaired when you're ill, to help you with any
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Speaker 2: sort of traumatic injuries that you have. That is one
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Speaker 2: area where what's called allopathic medicine is excellent at, you know,
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Speaker 2: stitching you up, maybe a hip replacement if you need
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Speaker 2: it later on. Though you have to be careful with
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Speaker 2: those two and anything. Yeah, there are a lot of
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Speaker 2: things that you know could happen to us now that
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Speaker 2: if they happened to us in nineteen twenty, we would
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Speaker 2: die from Okay, However, those things are nominal when you
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Speaker 2: look at the big picture. So when it comes to
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Speaker 2: emergency care, trauma care, great, when it comes to overall
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Speaker 2: chronic illnesses, if you're relying on your doctor, and don't
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Speaker 2: take this as medical advice, but I would suggest that
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Speaker 2: if you're relying on your doctor as relates to internal conditions,
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Speaker 2: you're probably going to be spiraling downward from there.
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Speaker 1: About a year ago, no, maybe a bit more than that,
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Speaker 1: we went camping and I with this very knife you
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Speaker 1: see in front of you, I accidentally slashed my hand
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Speaker 1: open and I needed stitches. Interestingly enough, while I was
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Speaker 1: with him, he asked me if I wanted a tetanus shot,
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Speaker 1: at which point I said no, And he said, do
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Speaker 1: you understand the risks of not having the shot? And
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Speaker 1: I said I do, and I never got the shot,
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Speaker 1: and I'm fine.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I think it was doctor Robert Mendelssohn. Someone can
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Speaker 2: double check on that who spoke to the absurdity of
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Speaker 2: the tetanus shot, you know here in the late twentieth
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Speaker 2: and early twenty first century. So that again is it's
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Speaker 2: a cell right, and that's what most of these physicians
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Speaker 2: means are immersed in sadly, and I think those who
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Speaker 2: educate themselves on this can can really quickly see the
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Speaker 2: absurdity of virtually all of these shots. And in fact,
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Speaker 2: I would say all of these shots they don't they
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Speaker 2: don't do anything but cause harm.
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Speaker 1: Not Everything that that that, let's say a teacher does
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Speaker 1: at a school is necessarily the best. You know, they're
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Speaker 1: just adhering to a curriculum that was given to them.
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Speaker 1: It's the same thing with with the medical industry, that
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Speaker 1: they're following a particular curriculum, so to speak. And I
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Speaker 1: struggle with that because I don't want to make them
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Speaker 1: feel bad about doing the best that they can. And
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Speaker 1: and then they go, but you're not a doctor, so
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Speaker 1: who are you to to to to make the claims
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Speaker 1: that you're making.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I get into those sorts of discussions with doctors
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Speaker 2: quite a bit. Fortunately I'm armed with a lot of
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Speaker 2: facts in details due to the research that I do.
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Speaker 2: So those those conversations invariably don't go very well for
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Speaker 2: the doctors and then they back out of it, and
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Speaker 2: that that's, you know, that's relying on that that fallacy
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Speaker 2: of expertise that you know, I am a doctor, therefore
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Speaker 2: I know better, and you can you can usually disarm
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Speaker 2: them with a couple of very specific questions to do that.
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Speaker 2: But you're right, you're you're doctor friends in the whole
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Speaker 2: industry right now, they're they're not trained to look at
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Speaker 2: you as a whole individual and make an analysis based
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Speaker 2: on that and ask the sort of questions that can
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Speaker 2: uncover what what might be troubling you when when you
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Speaker 2: go to the doctor's office. What they're trained to do
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Speaker 2: right now is ask you off of a very specific menu,
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Speaker 2: uh quite questions that point you towards specific diagnostics, which
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Speaker 2: they are obligated to ask you, and those diagnostics they
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Speaker 2: are obligated to at the very least push you towards.
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Speaker 2: And then they want to go from those diagnostics to
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Speaker 2: getting you involved in that system so that they can
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Speaker 2: start the money train rolling with you as what is
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Speaker 2: a node on their bottom line, and they're you know,
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Speaker 2: you're an investment product for them, and that's not You're correct.
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Speaker 2: It's not to say that they're evil. It's not. They're
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Speaker 2: They're not malicious, they're not trying to harm you necessarily.
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Speaker 2: I don't believe that. However, they are administratively programmed to
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Speaker 2: put you in a path that will ultimately cause harm
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Speaker 2: to you if you follow that path. It's just inevitable
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Speaker 2: that that will happen if if you get on the
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Speaker 2: pharmaceutical gravy train, and that's you know, that's where these
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Speaker 2: things ultimately are headed.
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Speaker 1: I made a joke with one of my doctor friends recently,
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Speaker 1: and I said, have you ever had somebody come to
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Speaker 1: see you and you realize there's nothing wrong and you
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Speaker 1: just sent them away? And the answers no, because they
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Speaker 1: feel like they are fading at their job.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you know, it's interesting. I go to the
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Speaker 2: doctor once a year and that's that's it, to have
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Speaker 2: this check up and so forth. And some of that
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Speaker 2: is in large part, you know, to my beautiful wife
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Speaker 2: to say she wants me to go once a year,
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Speaker 2: and I do it, right. So I go to the
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Speaker 2: doctor's office. It's a fifteen minute visit, and you know,
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Speaker 2: get me out of the barber's chair and get me
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Speaker 2: out of the doctor's office. And I'm sitting there and
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Speaker 2: the doctor that we have, by today's standards, is an
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Speaker 2: enlightened progressive individual. Okay, however that that bar is pretty low.
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Speaker 2: So I sit there and she looks at her screen.
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Speaker 2: She rarely looks over at me as I'm sitting right there,
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Speaker 2: and I'll keep her anonymous. And she says, you know
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Speaker 2: you're you're sixty three. Now do you want to go
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Speaker 2: d da da and get this test? I said, no,
19:27
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that. Well you really need
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Speaker 2: to have your to know I'm not going to do that. Well,
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Speaker 2: you really need to And she's looking at the screen
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Speaker 2: the whole time. Okay, she's not asking me, you know,
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Speaker 2: how fit are you? How are you know? Da da da?
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Speaker 2: Have you been had any illnesses? You know? I haven't
19:43
Speaker 2: beenilla in years and so, and I finally I'll say
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Speaker 2: to her, I say, look, you know, I know we
19:49
Speaker 2: have to do this dance, but you know I'm not
19:51
Speaker 2: going to do any of that. And she says, it's
19:54
Speaker 2: the same little little scene we play, the same little
19:57
Speaker 2: cartoon that we have. She says, I know, but I
19:59
Speaker 2: have have to ask you. And she's just looking at
20:02
Speaker 2: the screen the whole time. And what you know, one
20:09
Speaker 2: of the things that concerns me about that visit is
20:11
Speaker 2: it really doesn't have anything to do with myself, because
20:14
Speaker 2: I take care of my own health. Is that as
20:18
Speaker 2: she's probing with these questions, I could see where someone
20:22
Speaker 2: else sitting there starts to feel a little insecure, a
20:26
Speaker 2: little bit fearful, a little bit Well, wait a minute,
20:28
Speaker 2: do I need to have my cholesterol? My cholesterol might
20:30
Speaker 2: be a little off doing yeah, what? Oh no? What
20:33
Speaker 2: about my liver enzymes? Are they you know, all this
20:37
Speaker 2: sort of stuff. And they'll quickly say, well, okay, I'll
20:42
Speaker 2: do that one. You know, they'll they'll concede, they'll give in,
20:44
Speaker 2: you know, and then they go and they get that
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Speaker 2: test and that you know, these tests, if you and
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Speaker 2: I went and received ten different diagnostic tests from a
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Speaker 2: physician's clinic, especially you know at my age at sixty
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Speaker 2: sixty three, A I sixty three or sixty four, and
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Speaker 2: I'll be sixty four in October.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, so you're not you don't you could day
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Speaker 1: past seventy two?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Well, I feel great. That's what I
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Speaker 2: based it on. Well, if if you're my age and
21:17
Speaker 2: you go get these ten tests that this doctor is
21:22
Speaker 2: suggesting you get, you're not going to get a ten
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Speaker 2: out of ten on all ten of these tests. So
21:28
Speaker 2: a couple of those tests, you're probably going to get
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Speaker 2: a seven out of ten, and they'll want you to
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Speaker 2: be on some medication, right, you know, they will suggest
21:37
Speaker 2: that you get on some medication. So individuals who who
21:42
Speaker 2: don't arm themselves with the fact and are maybe not
21:46
Speaker 2: feeling one hundred percent would easily be cowed into to
21:51
Speaker 2: I could see where they would be cowed into saying, yes,
21:53
Speaker 2: I need to take that test, I need to get
21:54
Speaker 2: on that medication, I need to et cetera. Said. And
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Speaker 2: then again, once you get on that, you're the the
22:00
Speaker 2: feedback loop kicks in and you become, you know, lucrative
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Speaker 2: product for that industry.
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Speaker 1: What is the Flexner Report.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's a great question. And the Flexner Report is,
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Speaker 2: I would guess many of your listeners know, was a
22:21
Speaker 2: seminal report in the medical industry that really really changed
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Speaker 2: the entire direction of the medical industry. And while I
22:31
Speaker 2: say that, I think it's also very important to recognize
22:36
Speaker 2: that had we not had the Flexner Report, it would
22:40
Speaker 2: have been the Davis Report, or the Jones Report, or
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Speaker 2: the Washington Report. And what I mean by that is
22:48
Speaker 2: the Flexner Report, which was written in nineteen ten, and
22:51
Speaker 2: it was funded by the Carnegie and the Rockefellers. The
22:56
Speaker 2: carnegiese were the steel magnates, the Rockefellers the oil magnates,
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Speaker 2: and then went into the petrochemical and pharmaceutical industry as well.
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Speaker 2: The Flexner Report, which was written in nineteen ten, was
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Speaker 2: actually the foundations for it were written in nineteen oh six,
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Speaker 2: so this preceded Flexner and the report itself wasn't written,
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Speaker 2: as it presented itself by an independent force, an independent individual,
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Speaker 2: which was Abraham Flexner. It was written by the AMA
23:34
Speaker 2: already in nineteen oh six. And the reason they had
23:39
Speaker 2: Abraham Flexner write this report. And I can get into
23:42
Speaker 2: some of the details about what he actually did. The
23:46
Speaker 2: reason why they had him him right the report is
23:49
Speaker 2: that they could present this then as this independent analysis
23:56
Speaker 2: of the overall medical system and hospital system in and
24:01
Speaker 2: practicing physicians system in the United States. At the time,
24:05
Speaker 2: he was not Abraham Flexner was not involved in the
24:10
Speaker 2: medical field in any way, shape or form. He was
24:12
Speaker 2: an educational theorist. And so that is why they say
24:17
Speaker 2: they wanted him to be the individual that issued this report,
24:21
Speaker 2: because then they wouldn't be seen they being the AMA
24:25
Speaker 2: and the billionaire for millionaire philanthropists that were behind him
24:30
Speaker 2: behind the report. They wouldn't be seen as having a
24:32
Speaker 2: conflict of interest in this would be risking any public
24:38
Speaker 2: outrage or antitrust violations. So what's of particular note is
24:44
Speaker 2: Abraham Flexner had had a brother. His name was Simon Flexner,
24:51
Speaker 2: and Simon Flexner was a deeply embedded with the Rockefeller Institute.
24:58
Speaker 2: He was the head of the Rock Defeller Institute's Medical
25:02
Speaker 2: education Board. Okay, and so they were they had already
25:12
Speaker 2: written the groundwork for what Flexner would discover when he
25:19
Speaker 2: made his sixteen month journey across the United States examining
25:24
Speaker 2: all of the various medical institutions in the United States.
25:27
Speaker 2: I want to say they were one hundred and fifty
25:28
Speaker 2: five at the time, and they had already targeted the
25:32
Speaker 2: ones that they wanted to eliminate and therefore consolidate and
25:38
Speaker 2: monopolize a certain type of medical industry and medical practices,
25:46
Speaker 2: which is what we endure today. And it's also interesting
25:50
Speaker 2: to note that Flexner didn't himself go alone. It wasn't
25:56
Speaker 2: just that they hired him independently and said, you know what, Abraham,
26:00
Speaker 2: we want you to travel around the US and you
26:05
Speaker 2: just see what you see, take notes on what you see,
26:08
Speaker 2: and tell us what you think the state of medicine
26:12
Speaker 2: is in the United States here in nineteen oh nine,
26:16
Speaker 2: nineteen ten, nineteen eleven. Okay, he was accompanied by gentlemen
26:21
Speaker 2: doctor Nathan Colewell, who was the Secretary of the AMA
26:25
Speaker 2: Council on Medical Education, and Colwell was really the individual
26:30
Speaker 2: who was the one who wrote the evaluations, and they
26:36
Speaker 2: already knew which schools they were going to target for elimination.
26:41
Speaker 2: So you know, the Flexner report, in the end analysis
26:45
Speaker 2: was just a cudgel to wipe out all of these
26:48
Speaker 2: other competing schools, eclectic schools, homeopathic schools, chiropractic schools, natural
26:54
Speaker 2: path schools that were deemed to be ill agitimate competitors
27:01
Speaker 2: to the allopathic model. Now, of notes, some you know,
27:05
Speaker 2: many of your listeners will probably know this. John Rockefeller Senior,
27:11
Speaker 2: his doctor was a homeopath and he didn't change that.
27:18
Speaker 1: Okay. So basically seventy five of medical schools was shut
27:23
Speaker 1: down as a result of the Flexner Report.
27:28
Speaker 2: Yes, there they were. Now, the Flexner Report didn't have
27:31
Speaker 2: any legal weight behind it, so you know, they couldn't
27:38
Speaker 2: take this report. And the report's rather long, and if
27:43
Speaker 2: you read it, it's going through state by state, school
27:46
Speaker 2: by school and giving assessments of the schools. They couldn't
27:49
Speaker 2: go into a school that the Flexner Report suggested was
27:52
Speaker 2: substandard and just say, okay, the flex Report states this,
27:57
Speaker 2: therefore we're shutting you down. What they did is they
28:05
Speaker 2: developed state medical boards, and then they ultimately developed the
28:11
Speaker 2: medical boards to get all the states to align with
28:14
Speaker 2: certain standards. And through these boards, they developed mandatory licensing mechanisms.
28:22
Speaker 2: So the individuals who would go to a certain school
28:26
Speaker 2: now were mandated to get their license through these specific
28:31
Speaker 2: state boards and only these state boards. And if they
28:34
Speaker 2: did not they could not practice medicine. And the one
28:38
Speaker 2: thing they did do on a federal level is they
28:44
Speaker 2: changed the statutory definitions of what practicing medicine meant, and
28:48
Speaker 2: they broadened the definition. So now anything that an individual
28:54
Speaker 2: is doing essentially that is treating another individual, whether it's
28:58
Speaker 2: with herbs or blood letting or anything, okay, was considered
29:02
Speaker 2: practicing medicine. And with that, legally, now to practice medicine
29:08
Speaker 2: you had to have these specific licenses going with that.
29:12
Speaker 2: To get those specific licenses, you could only then get
29:16
Speaker 2: them if you were at a certain classification of school.
29:21
Speaker 2: They just called them Class A schools. So if you
29:24
Speaker 2: did not attend a Class A school, you were not
29:26
Speaker 2: even allowed to take the licensing exam in that state
29:31
Speaker 2: to get that license. Then if you didn't have that license,
29:36
Speaker 2: there were now laws put in place that if you
29:42
Speaker 2: were practicing medicine in that state, you could be fined
29:50
Speaker 2: and you could face arrest. So it was a fairly
29:56
Speaker 2: sophisticated legislative set of menu that they began putting in
30:02
Speaker 2: place post Flexner Report, particularly in the nineteen twenties.
30:06
Speaker 1: So what do you think was going on was the
30:07
Speaker 1: Flickxner Report about improving medical standards or were the standards
30:15
Speaker 1: perhaps just a pr cover for eliminating competition and perhaps
30:20
Speaker 1: capturing the market.
30:22
Speaker 2: Yes, the latter, Yeah, it was, you know, it was
30:25
Speaker 2: the context of the historical times is very important. This
30:28
Speaker 2: was when you know, the this was the Gilded Age,
30:31
Speaker 2: you know, and the robber barons were not just monopolizing
30:34
Speaker 2: the medical industry, they were monopolizing, you know, attempting to
30:39
Speaker 2: monopolize virtually all sorts of sectors, agricultural sector. The very
30:44
Speaker 2: important part was the educational sector where they were developing.
30:51
Speaker 2: They used a similar mode where they developed an education
30:54
Speaker 2: board where you had to have very specific education standards
30:59
Speaker 2: for what was becoming compulsory schooling. And so these these
31:03
Speaker 2: were all interwoven. So the you know, the idea that
31:08
Speaker 2: there could be a free market of ideas, free market
31:12
Speaker 2: of medical practice, the free et cetera, were being absolutely
31:16
Speaker 2: wiped out. Industrial capitalism was going at a very fast
31:23
Speaker 2: pace now to monopolize this new petroleum based, chemical based
31:31
Speaker 2: you know what they called scientific based, they called it
31:35
Speaker 2: scientific medicine, you know, and eliminate all competition.
31:41
Speaker 1: So the flix, the reports, from what I understand, was
31:43
Speaker 1: looking at quote unquote one cause one cure, essentially reducing
31:49
Speaker 1: the human body to collection of isolated mechanical parts. Do
31:55
Speaker 1: you think that that was quite design?
32:00
Speaker 2: I do. I see that that happened as a byproduct
32:05
Speaker 2: what you just described as far as atomizing the entire
32:09
Speaker 2: structure of you know, the biological system. I see that
32:13
Speaker 2: as a byproduct of the you know, the entities that
32:18
Speaker 2: were pushing this new model of medicine, revolutionary allopathic model
32:27
Speaker 2: of medicine, they also had profound conflicts of interest and
32:31
Speaker 2: that they were involved in this new petrochemical industry that
32:35
Speaker 2: was developing the you know, the sort of what do
32:40
Speaker 2: they call medicine based on chemistry, better chemistry? What is it?
32:45
Speaker 2: There was a commercial about this better chemistry, better life
32:47
Speaker 2: through better chemistry, or something like this, and so they
32:51
Speaker 2: they were saying they were identifying these specific microbes and
32:57
Speaker 2: then they would have these specific chemicals that could to
33:00
Speaker 2: impact these specific microbes, and then we can patent that.
33:05
Speaker 2: And then once we can patent that, that is a
33:08
Speaker 2: product which we and only we own, and for you
33:12
Speaker 2: to access that you have to bring your revenue into
33:16
Speaker 2: our stream. So I think that is to my mind,
33:24
Speaker 2: that is the source of it, rather than someone just
33:30
Speaker 2: coming up with the idea that Okay, here we have
33:33
Speaker 2: this small problem that this person is having, and that's
33:38
Speaker 2: all we need to address. This small problem that this
33:40
Speaker 2: person is having internally can't possibly be caused by or
33:46
Speaker 2: be connected to any other situation that maybe having internally
33:50
Speaker 2: that that individual may be having internally. I think it
33:53
Speaker 2: is that they had the need to isolate all of
34:00
Speaker 2: these functions of the human body so that they could
34:05
Speaker 2: have their mode of industrial medicine be com mandated and
34:14
Speaker 2: profitable for them.
34:15
Speaker 1: That I hope that made sense the us In Otherwise,
34:18
Speaker 1: if the body is an integrate to self regulating ecosystem,
34:22
Speaker 1: then the Flexner idea of one cause, one cure is
34:27
Speaker 1: fundamentally flawed.
34:30
Speaker 2: It is and it doesn't make sense. You know. I
34:32
Speaker 2: think just if you can get someone to pause and
34:40
Speaker 2: just say, you know, I want you to think about
34:44
Speaker 2: this idea and put aside all you've been indoctrinated with
34:49
Speaker 2: and don't accept or reject this idea, but just think
34:51
Speaker 2: about it. Does it really make sense that if you
34:56
Speaker 2: have this problem with your bladder, that it could be
35:05
Speaker 2: caused by some other issues relating to other facets of
35:12
Speaker 2: your body, other facets of what's happening with your life,
35:18
Speaker 2: you know, specifically things you're eating, things you're drinking, and
35:22
Speaker 2: so on. And could it be that this issue that
35:27
Speaker 2: you're having with your bladder is a signal, it's not
35:31
Speaker 2: really a cause. And I think if you kind of
35:35
Speaker 2: keep it in simple terms in conversations, it just makes
35:38
Speaker 2: sense to folks that, you know, it's not just this
35:44
Speaker 2: issue that I'm having with my bladder. Something else is
35:46
Speaker 2: causing this.
35:47
Speaker 1: But I mean, just to add to that, the idea
35:50
Speaker 1: that you can boost your immune system. I mean, this
35:52
Speaker 1: has been a huge thing. Take this multi vitamin and
35:56
Speaker 1: it'll strengthen your immune system, as if your immune system
36:00
Speaker 1: is some isolated thing that can just you know, it
36:03
Speaker 1: exists on its own.
36:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's, uh, you know, certain people that are
36:09
Speaker 2: you know, out on the cutting edge of this, and
36:10
Speaker 2: I don't know enough about this to comment on it
36:14
Speaker 2: intelligently that would suggest that there's no such thing as
36:17
Speaker 2: the immune system, and that you know, they they say,
36:19
Speaker 2: can you show me the immune system? And you know,
36:23
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't accept or reject it. I don't.
36:27
Speaker 2: I don't understand it. I haven't looked into it, probably won't,
36:31
Speaker 2: but I accept that that's a possibility. You know that
36:34
Speaker 2: you know what is what is this immune system? And
36:39
Speaker 2: for me, it's can I can I take care of
36:42
Speaker 2: the things that are you know, keeping my body strong,
36:46
Speaker 2: keeping my body well? And do I really need to
36:50
Speaker 2: do I It might be an interesting academic exercise, but
36:53
Speaker 2: I don't think I need to know about the immune system,
36:55
Speaker 2: though I'm glad other people are, are you know, asking
36:58
Speaker 2: these questions?
36:59
Speaker 1: No, But I think point I'm making, Michael, is not
37:01
Speaker 1: whether it exists or not. I'm just saying that if
37:05
Speaker 1: you're going to eat healthy, your entire body benefits from that,
37:09
Speaker 1: not just one portion of it.
37:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely right. And if you're not the same, the same,
37:15
Speaker 2: and it's gonna you know, it's It's not like if
37:17
Speaker 2: you're you know, you're really you know, you're drinking a lot,
37:19
Speaker 2: you're smoking, you're doing everything you could to make yourself sick.
37:23
Speaker 2: It's not as if, at least initially your entire body collapses.
37:28
Speaker 2: It manifests in one area, in one specific place. However,
37:31
Speaker 2: there are a lot of things that are going wrong
37:33
Speaker 2: at that time. And for to me, you know, this
37:37
Speaker 2: might be a little far afield. To me, my current
37:40
Speaker 2: view of what cancer is I don't really believe that
37:42
Speaker 2: there is such a thing as cancer per se. I
37:45
Speaker 2: believe there's a massive cancer industry that that needs you
37:49
Speaker 2: to think that. My view of it is that you know,
37:54
Speaker 2: what they're calling cancer, cancer of the liver, cancer of
37:57
Speaker 2: the esophagus, and so forth, is a concentration of toxins,
38:01
Speaker 2: and that that that specific concentration is almost a protection
38:10
Speaker 2: mechanism of your body, and that if you can attend
38:15
Speaker 2: to that whatever it is you need to be doing
38:21
Speaker 2: to cleanse your body, then that concentration of toxins is
38:25
Speaker 2: going to be diminished. There can be a certain point,
38:27
Speaker 2: I believe where it's you can't do much about it.
38:29
Speaker 2: But that that's my current view of the you know
38:32
Speaker 2: this can too.
38:33
Speaker 1: There's an immense hubris today within the medical scientific community
38:40
Speaker 1: that you question them, how dare you question them? Michael?
38:45
Speaker 1: And it's as though we assume we've somehow reached the
38:50
Speaker 1: pinnacle of medical and scientific understanding, you know, and what
38:53
Speaker 1: they got wrong in the nineteen forties about tobacco and
38:56
Speaker 1: cigarettes whatever that was. Then now we know that there
39:00
Speaker 1: is to know. But in fifty years time, they're going
39:03
Speaker 1: to look back and they're going to go these guys
39:05
Speaker 1: were wrong on all of this stuff.
39:08
Speaker 2: Yes. You know what's interesting is that during this time
39:13
Speaker 2: that we're discussing about the Flexner report in the early
39:16
Speaker 2: nineteen hundreds and so forth, if you can just kind
39:21
Speaker 2: of talk to the person on the street, they'll be like, well,
39:24
Speaker 2: you know, what about all of those practices that were
39:28
Speaker 2: just brutal, what about blood letting? What about And you
39:32
Speaker 2: go back and you look at it, and you say, well,
39:36
Speaker 2: what was considered the conventional, acceptable, recommended, and widely used
39:45
Speaker 2: practice of the allopathic medicine was calamel. You know, it
39:49
Speaker 2: was mercury poisoning. So it wasn't like these herbalists and
39:52
Speaker 2: natural paths were doing this. And I think, here we are,
40:01
Speaker 2: you know, one hundred years later, and we're seeing that
40:08
Speaker 2: the medical establishment is still and even more so poisoning
40:15
Speaker 2: people with these microdoses of poisoning day in and day
40:20
Speaker 2: out that are causing lots of harm to people and
40:27
Speaker 2: defending that practice.
40:29
Speaker 1: But those microdoses of poison are not just physical, they're
40:32
Speaker 1: also abstract. I think about the curriculum that doctors learn,
40:37
Speaker 1: that scientists learn, and changing that I'm guessing takes generations.
40:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're you're talking more along the lines of
40:47
Speaker 2: the physicians themselves or the nurses themselves, and yeah, well,
40:51
Speaker 2: you know, once you get into that, you're you're I don't.
40:56
Speaker 2: That's going to be really difficult to change individuals who
41:00
Speaker 2: have been through that process because their entire life is
41:03
Speaker 2: now built on that process, not just ideologically but physically.
41:08
Speaker 2: You know, They've they've invested years and years and years
41:11
Speaker 2: of their life. They've got a fortune tied up into this,
41:14
Speaker 2: They've usually have a lot of debt from medical school
41:17
Speaker 2: and so forth, and then all their entire social status
41:21
Speaker 2: is based on this now and they have an elevated
41:25
Speaker 2: status in society due to their position. They've they've got
41:29
Speaker 2: a boat sitting out there, they've got this nice house,
41:32
Speaker 2: they've got all the all the trappings. So it's gonna
41:35
Speaker 2: be really difficult to unravel all that. And for any
41:38
Speaker 2: individual who has been through all of those years of
41:41
Speaker 2: training or indoctrination, I would say is more accurate and
41:44
Speaker 2: has all these now benefits from those years, even though
41:51
Speaker 2: there's this crushing debt on the other side. To just
41:54
Speaker 2: toss all of that aside and say, you know what,
41:56
Speaker 2: all of that was wrong, I've just wasted you know,
41:59
Speaker 2: fifth teen years of my life going down this path
42:02
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm not doing doing these patients uh any
42:07
Speaker 2: good at all. And again I want to read it
42:09
Speaker 2: reiterate that that's not a blanket statement. There are there
42:12
Speaker 2: are physicians out there that are that are you know, helping.
42:16
Speaker 1: People so but it's not just them, it's also the
42:19
Speaker 1: system itself.
42:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's exactly the point. Yeah, it's the
42:23
Speaker 2: the system you know, doesn't allow for physicians to to
42:30
Speaker 2: have much freedom, much flexibility, and it is quite rigid,
42:33
Speaker 2: and it's if you if you don't adhere to the
42:37
Speaker 2: mandates of that system. You know, we I talked about
42:41
Speaker 2: the carrots there where you get all the trappings, the
42:43
Speaker 2: boat in the nice house and all this stuff. But
42:45
Speaker 2: there's also the stick and that if you don't adhere
42:48
Speaker 2: to the the dictates of this system, you know, you're
42:52
Speaker 2: going to get a You're going to get a electronic
42:56
Speaker 2: knock on your computer that says, hey, we see you
42:59
Speaker 2: didn't do this, all right, And then there's a gradation
43:03
Speaker 2: of that if you if you don't prove that you've
43:06
Speaker 2: kind of gone back in line and you're you're adhering
43:10
Speaker 2: to the diagnostic criteria. You know, you're you're doing what
43:13
Speaker 2: the code tells you to do. If you're if you're
43:16
Speaker 2: not doing that, you're going to get some you know,
43:18
Speaker 2: taps on the head, and then it'll progress from there.
43:22
Speaker 2: You know, you'll you'll maybe asked to if you continue
43:24
Speaker 2: to you know, be a little bit too radical, you'll
43:27
Speaker 2: you'll be asked to go before the board, and then
43:29
Speaker 2: you'll be threatened with your license and so on and
43:31
Speaker 2: so forth.
43:32
Speaker 1: Hence the war on alternative medicine.
43:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, health is pretty simple. You know, there
43:42
Speaker 2: are some extreme examples, but they're so rare is to
43:45
Speaker 2: not even be of consequence. But health, for you know,
43:48
Speaker 2: ninety nine point nine percent of people walking on the
43:50
Speaker 2: planet is is quite simple. If you have you know,
43:54
Speaker 2: regular and you know regular healthy food, and you're out
43:58
Speaker 2: exercise and doesn't have to be radical exercise walk in
44:01
Speaker 2: and you have a fulfilling social life, you're going to
44:04
Speaker 2: stay healthy for a pretty long time, you know, barring
44:07
Speaker 2: any major accident or you know you're near any you know,
44:11
Speaker 2: industrial waste side all these other things. So you know,
44:18
Speaker 2: the medical industry doesn't want that. If you do have
44:22
Speaker 2: some minor issues coming up, you can usually resolve those
44:24
Speaker 2: through some sort of easy natural meat. I'll just leave it,
44:31
Speaker 2: you know, generally at that and the that means you're
44:35
Speaker 2: a customer loss to the medical industry if you're doing
44:38
Speaker 2: these sorts of things. So also if you if you
44:43
Speaker 2: can see that as a possibility, if that exists, if
44:45
Speaker 2: these alternative methods exist, if you hear from your neighbor,
44:50
Speaker 2: I had the same thing as you. All I did
44:52
Speaker 2: was I went to that right then you say, oh,
44:56
Speaker 2: I don't need to go spend you know, one thousand
44:59
Speaker 2: dollars on the with my two hundred and fifty dollars
45:02
Speaker 2: copay and all this sort of stuff. I can just
45:06
Speaker 2: go over here and spend eighteen bucks and you know,
45:09
Speaker 2: get this and this is going to take care of it.
45:12
Speaker 2: Or I don't need to do anything. I'm a believer
45:14
Speaker 2: in doing doing nothing right. Like I said, I haven't
45:18
Speaker 2: been ill in a long time, but I feel like
45:20
Speaker 2: most problems people have they can attend to even without
45:25
Speaker 2: what's called alternative methods, even without pills. They don't need
45:30
Speaker 2: to be taking vitamins, they don't need many, if any
45:34
Speaker 2: of these things. In my opinion, I think there might
45:36
Speaker 2: be again some examples of it but I think most
45:40
Speaker 2: of that is overstated as well.
45:42
Speaker 1: Michael, A good charras a gloss the data basis.
45:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you don't. No one has to be a
45:50
Speaker 2: purist here. You can. You can have a good chocolate
45:53
Speaker 2: chip cookie. Okay, you can have good takeo.
45:57
Speaker 1: That's what you mind your all. But I live I
46:01
Speaker 1: live on a vineyard.
46:03
Speaker 2: Okay, So you're pushing your product there, then, aren't you.
46:06
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, it's not mine. I just
46:08
Speaker 1: I just drink.
46:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't. You don't have to be a purist
46:12
Speaker 2: in life. You you can, you know I would. I
46:15
Speaker 2: would stay away from the processed sugar and stay away
46:18
Speaker 2: from processed food all overall. You know. Again, I'm not
46:21
Speaker 2: a dietician or whatever their labels are anything like that.
46:24
Speaker 2: But keep it, keep it simple and and don't over indulge.
46:28
Speaker 2: And and you know you're not. You're also I think
46:34
Speaker 2: every little ache and pain, every little time you're feel
46:37
Speaker 2: a little under the weather, you don't have to feel
46:41
Speaker 2: too anxious about it. It's it's a natural condition, you know.
46:45
Speaker 2: And especially as you get a little bit older, you're
46:48
Speaker 2: you're not going to wake up feeling super spry every
46:51
Speaker 2: single day. You don't need to go to the cabinet
46:55
Speaker 2: and try to get get a pill that's gonna alleviate
46:57
Speaker 2: every little illness or acre pain that you have. And
47:02
Speaker 2: though you know, you start doing that, you're usually asking
47:04
Speaker 2: for trouble. That would be my two cents on that.
47:08
Speaker 1: All the way back to the beginning of the discussion
47:11
Speaker 1: about the cult and how it became that because the
47:18
Speaker 1: dogma around the medical industry has become pythonisk in its absurdity.
47:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it was. It was a rather elaborate campaign
47:31
Speaker 2: that they said on over years and years, and it
47:36
Speaker 2: was in concert with the development of the public relations industry.
47:41
Speaker 2: Excuse me, so post World War two, you know, the
47:45
Speaker 2: the allopathic medical industry was really taking over. They were
47:51
Speaker 2: eliminating all of these other competing ideas of medicine schools,
47:56
Speaker 2: medicine medical schools, and it wasn't necessarily embraced by the public.
48:03
Speaker 2: So they really needed to convince the public that this
48:05
Speaker 2: was not only the only way, but this was the
48:08
Speaker 2: best way, This was the way towards medical miracles, scientific miracles,
48:13
Speaker 2: and so they did a number of different things to
48:16
Speaker 2: convince the public of that. One was that they set
48:19
Speaker 2: out on a campaign, but they hired what was essentially
48:25
Speaker 2: the first large scale political consulting and lobbying group, which
48:30
Speaker 2: was called Campaigns Incorporated, And through this organization they distributed
48:35
Speaker 2: literature throughout the United States in medical establishments, doctor's office,
48:41
Speaker 2: but also in rotary clubs, schools, They used you know,
48:49
Speaker 2: the those that times, version of influencers, all sorts of
48:59
Speaker 2: institutional settings, everywhere you could think of. They distributed over
49:02
Speaker 2: fifty five million pieces of literature to convince people that,
49:09
Speaker 2: you know, this way of medicine was the enlightened way
49:13
Speaker 2: that we all had to adhere to, you know, it
49:18
Speaker 2: wasn't like people voted on this right. And then they
49:21
Speaker 2: also at the same time, right in the nineteen fifties,
49:26
Speaker 2: there was a huge sixteen millimeter campaign in the school systems,
49:32
Speaker 2: meaning sixteen millimeter film campaign in the school systems that
49:35
Speaker 2: was propagandaizing school children on any number of topics. A
49:42
Speaker 2: big one was the medical industry. So they were sending
49:44
Speaker 2: out these these films that they would watch in the
49:49
Speaker 2: classrooms where they were changing the child's view of the
49:58
Speaker 2: doctor is just ho houm neighbor friendly guy to this
50:04
Speaker 2: guy in this white lab coat who came in and
50:07
Speaker 2: did heroic things to make that child's life better, and
50:11
Speaker 2: that you're to trust that individual with your health, above
50:16
Speaker 2: your own senses, above your parents, above everything. At the
50:19
Speaker 2: same time, the schools were becoming one of the institutional
50:23
Speaker 2: parts of this new system in that they were turning
50:27
Speaker 2: schools into, you know, in the loose sense of the
50:32
Speaker 2: term medical surveillance centers. We had the school nurse. Now,
50:36
Speaker 2: they were having vaccination drives in schools. They were having
50:40
Speaker 2: education campaigns in schools. If you were to miss school
50:45
Speaker 2: for a day, you now had to have a note
50:47
Speaker 2: from your doctor to go through the nurse. It wasn't
50:51
Speaker 2: that you could have a parental note any longer. So
50:55
Speaker 2: that was one facet of it. Another facet of it
50:58
Speaker 2: was in the burgeoning television industry at the time they
51:04
Speaker 2: they developed these these programs. What was Doctor Killed There
51:09
Speaker 2: there were several television programs and they actually had the
51:12
Speaker 2: A m A On the sets, and the A m
51:14
Speaker 2: A Was designing the the not just the set and
51:20
Speaker 2: the type of machinery that they would be using, but
51:23
Speaker 2: they were orchestrating the dialogue and they were orchestrating the
51:28
Speaker 2: present presentation of how this doctor would be shown to
51:33
Speaker 2: the to the public through these regular programs, and then
51:35
Speaker 2: there were all sorts of advertisements through Life magazine, Saturday
51:39
Speaker 2: evening post Time magazine that were in in there constantly,
51:43
Speaker 2: and you know, they were hiring actors to be in
51:48
Speaker 2: these paid advertisements and in these magazines. And these actors
51:52
Speaker 2: were you know, very very handsome, striking guys, sometimes smoking cigarettes.
51:57
Speaker 2: You know, they were posing as doctors u and they were,
52:01
Speaker 2: you know, these doctors in these advertisements were iconic cultural figures.
52:10
Speaker 2: They weren't now just sort of homey town figures. They
52:13
Speaker 2: became heroic, epic figures that we were all to, you know,
52:17
Speaker 2: hand over our bodies too, all right, in exchange for
52:22
Speaker 2: what we were told was going to be, you know,
52:26
Speaker 2: medical salvation or perhaps, if we're lucky, eternal life. So
52:32
Speaker 2: it was. It was a massive social engineering project.
52:37
Speaker 1: I'm remembering back to the COVID era when Fauci said,
52:41
Speaker 1: if you questioned me, you questioned the science.
52:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would perhaps be the what we call that
52:51
Speaker 2: the apex of the nator, the nator of the apex
52:53
Speaker 2: of this whole thing, you know, And in some respects
52:57
Speaker 2: we're seeing that all crashing down now, which is a
52:59
Speaker 2: good thing. And I don't mean it. I don't mean
53:02
Speaker 2: that as relates to Fauci. You know this, But but
53:07
Speaker 2: we're we're seeing you know, when when we hear other
53:10
Speaker 2: political bureaucrats and even quite a few on the you know,
53:14
Speaker 2: the good side of the same, you know, good side
53:17
Speaker 2: of you know, the the health freedom movement or whatever, say, well,
53:23
Speaker 2: you know, we need to restore trust. We need to
53:26
Speaker 2: do no, that's the last thing we need. We need
53:29
Speaker 2: to blast this whole thing apart, because it's not doing
53:31
Speaker 2: anybody any good. You know, it's not just because we're
53:34
Speaker 2: you and I are sitting here and have some different
53:36
Speaker 2: ideas about it. We're witnessing it. It's not doing anybody
53:40
Speaker 2: any good. And it wasn't long before the COVID scam
53:45
Speaker 2: came along, and certainly it's it's damaging people at eat
53:53
Speaker 2: even greater rate right now. And you know what, Jeremy,
53:57
Speaker 2: I mentioned to you this to you off air. I
53:59
Speaker 2: think more and more people are really are They definitely
54:02
Speaker 2: aren't waking up to at least questioning it. And in
54:05
Speaker 2: the United States, report just came out two days ago,
54:09
Speaker 2: was it maybe even been yesterday? And this is a
54:13
Speaker 2: CDC report, and of course they're concerned about this that
54:16
Speaker 2: in the United States, and for the second year they
54:20
Speaker 2: have record high reporting of unvaccinated children in kindergarten. And
54:29
Speaker 2: so that's not something we need to restore trust in
54:32
Speaker 2: so that we can get those children vaccinated again. We
54:35
Speaker 2: need to continue to move that needle in a way
54:38
Speaker 2: that prevents children from getting these these poisons injected into
54:42
Speaker 2: them and allows them to have a healthy whole life.
54:45
Speaker 1: As we said of a I'm seeing an increasing number
54:50
Speaker 1: of people in our circles turning away from vaccinations, and
54:55
Speaker 1: I mean for the kids also, not just themselves.
54:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm seeing that also. I talk to a lot
55:02
Speaker 2: of people that are within the health freedom movement and
55:05
Speaker 2: they they I think they go back and forth on
55:09
Speaker 2: those you know, how how those conversations can be had
55:14
Speaker 2: to to impact more people. And those are good conversations
55:20
Speaker 2: to have. I find the conversations work best when you
55:24
Speaker 2: keep it really simple and you you know, don't don't
55:30
Speaker 2: burden the parent who has already vaccinated their children with
55:35
Speaker 2: with any sort of guilt or any you know, you're
55:38
Speaker 2: not the one to blame. You've got this entire industry,
55:40
Speaker 2: if there's this entire infrastructure that's not only trying to
55:44
Speaker 2: persuade you, but in a lot of times is actively
55:46
Speaker 2: coercing you or mandating that you you do this. But
55:50
Speaker 2: there are ways that you can both break free from
55:54
Speaker 2: that that cult, break out of it. And then there
55:59
Speaker 2: are ways where you can uh physically get around, you know,
56:08
Speaker 2: having to vaccinate your your child. I don't know how
56:10
Speaker 2: it is where you is. I think it's a lot
56:12
Speaker 2: easier in other places in the United States and certain
56:15
Speaker 2: places it's difficult to do, but there are ways, and
56:20
Speaker 2: you know, you just do do what's best for your
56:25
Speaker 2: child and don't don't allow this this industry to uh,
56:33
Speaker 2: you know, shove its agenda into your child.
56:36
Speaker 1: The average person researches the next cell phone more than
56:42
Speaker 1: what they inject into the child.
56:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't even know what to say
56:49
Speaker 2: about that. I I know, uh, that's true, and it's disturbing.
56:56
Speaker 1: I mean, if you just think about it, right, they'll
56:58
Speaker 1: say to us, no, but you must trust the experts
57:00
Speaker 1: when it comes to vaccines, trust the doctors or trust
57:03
Speaker 1: the scientists. Okay, all right, fine, So when it comes
57:06
Speaker 1: to my cell phone, I'll trust the the manufacturer, I'll
57:09
Speaker 1: trust the cell phone sales guy. I mean, he knows
57:13
Speaker 1: more than I, so I won't I won't research anything.
57:16
Speaker 1: I'll just buy the one that he recommends.
57:19
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're you're right, and that that is happening. However,
57:23
Speaker 2: I do believe that there are all sorts of openings
57:27
Speaker 2: out there, and you know, it's okay for one to
57:31
Speaker 2: create that opening in in the middle of the line
57:35
Speaker 2: at the grocery store. It's it's okay to steer a conversation,
57:41
Speaker 2: you know, without being uh to too obstructive. It's it's
57:47
Speaker 2: okay to steer a conversation towards just getting some information
57:50
Speaker 2: in there. And it can be done in a in
57:52
Speaker 2: a quite a reasonable way. And you know, as you know,
57:55
Speaker 2: as you do that, that that does impact some people.
57:58
Speaker 2: You know, you might be talking to someone who you're
58:01
Speaker 2: you're having a bit of a contentious discussion with and
58:03
Speaker 2: they're they're really you know, vaccines, uberologists, uber alis and
58:08
Speaker 2: uh you know, the medical industry, the pharmaceutical pharmaceutical industry,
58:12
Speaker 2: uber alis. And yet you're having that conversation and there's
58:15
Speaker 2: two or three other people on the outside of that conversation,
58:19
Speaker 2: and one of those individuals is hearing that and hearing
58:21
Speaker 2: some things. For the first time that that causes them
58:26
Speaker 2: to look into it because they are seeing, well, wait
58:30
Speaker 2: a minute, he's describing just what happened to you know,
58:35
Speaker 2: Jones child. He's describing just what happened to my uncle Phil.
58:40
Speaker 2: These are these sorts of things, and and that's I
58:42
Speaker 2: think that's a good way to move move the needle
58:46
Speaker 2: just a little bit, and and don't be afraid of
58:48
Speaker 2: those conversations. Be be smart and uh, you know you
58:55
Speaker 2: can you can definitely make an impact on these and
59:00
Speaker 2: these kind of ways.
59:00
Speaker 1: I guess, how can I find this article and follow
59:04
Speaker 1: your work in general?
59:06
Speaker 2: The article can be found at Health Freedom Defense Fund.
59:10
Speaker 2: There's a substack, and there is a website. So this
59:14
Speaker 2: specific article is titled the Cult of Modern Medical Expertise.
59:19
Speaker 2: It's founded Healthfreedomdefense dot org. And that's that's where I
59:26
Speaker 2: do virtually all of my writing at Global Research dot
59:31
Speaker 2: ca A. I do know that they pick up some
59:33
Speaker 2: of these articles, most of these articles off of the
59:36
Speaker 2: HFDF website, So that's another place where people can find
59:40
Speaker 2: these articles. And I just want to encourage everybody to,
59:45
Speaker 2: you know, think for themselves and and you know, challenge
59:49
Speaker 2: their own assumptions about the medical industry and take take
59:53
Speaker 2: care of you know, take control. I would say, take
59:56
Speaker 2: control of your own health and wellbeing. Don't rely on experts,
59:59
Speaker 2: don't get it net cult. And you can if you're
1:00:03
Speaker 2: not already healthy. If you are already healthy, you'll stay
1:00:06
Speaker 2: healthy if you if you aren't, you can, you can
1:00:09
Speaker 2: find a path to health. You can definitely do it.
1:00:11
Speaker 1: M Michael Bryant, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
1:00:15
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks a lot for having me Jeremy, I really
1:00:17
Speaker 2: always enjoy our conversations. M m hmm.